/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

I am fond of new threads.

I am fond of pigs

first for /balt/

>>159117617
Get rekt.

What is a great zimbabwe anyway

>>159117706
>detterance
Learn to write.

>>159117727
>implying indians know how to spell

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>take moscow from pete
>negative anemties kicks in right the next turn and spawns 3 infantry and an artillery right on top of it

> gave up Stellaris out of boredom yesterday
> reading the posts about finding WW2 Earth
> desire to play returns
> boot up save
> oh god it's still so boring
> slog on anyway
Fuck you WW2-anon
Does Leviathans improve matters? Haven't taken the plunge and got it yet

>>159117481
>>159117740
Yeah, that's the one. You reckon it's safe? The Yellow planet too?

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>>159117840
Haha

One little detail I'm glad paradox didn't leave out was the texture for Earth. It actually is Earth.

>>159117842
I think they declear war on -50 relations, or maybe it was -75.
I don't remember.

They get -20 or -40 with you depending on if they share the base form as you.
Like if you're both Mammalian.

The gaia planet is safe I think.
Try colonizing that one and see how much worse your relations get from border friction before colonizing the other.

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>>159117810
is this a new hamster?

How do I get people to spread their religion to my cities?

>>159118173
just gotta wait. i don't think trade routes exert pressure anymore either

though if they do get one of your cities and it has a holy site you can buy missionaries and spread it yourself

>>159118173
Well if the Kongo are anything to go by, denounce fucking everybody.

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>leaders have happy poses if you make a declaration of friendship with them

Wow

Now if only I could make friends with more than 1 civ

>>159118292
I think those poses are the same ones you see in their loading screens

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>purge some aliens so i can terraform their planets to my standards
>entire universe hates my guts and wont let me out to kill bugs
well fuck you guys, i'll just sit and tech up more

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Why can't I hold all these builders?

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Ayo pham how you want your wars?

>builders are the most expensive things to buy/produce
this increase in production meme is fucking retarded

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Don't forget them

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>Firaxis will never hire the Yoshida Brothers to do the jap civ music
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx8BVGHMiC0 will never kick in when you declare a surprise war

>>159118173
Ask them not to.

>>159118763
I'd rather have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ0ZpccvYxw

Feels bad that stellaris will never be like distant worlds.

Are there any mods that make the mid and endgame of stellaris more fun and engaging? i lose fun quickly after reaching midgame, nothing really happens at that point.

>>159118504
because you aint chopping wood
chop
the
woods

>the telecommunications quote
actually quite good relationship advice tbqh

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>>159118292
One time I actually had a "Big Three" alliance with Norway and Germany. I was going for a science victory, but after I allied with them Rome never declared war on me again. I had been in perpetual war with them since the start of the game.

Shit was cash.

I am fond of toes.

>>159119682
What the fuck is up with celtic?

>>159119682
>chinks are greeks

Ethics divergence affects how likely pops are gonna form factions, right?

>>159120297
I thought it affected how their ethics diverged from your own.

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>>159120297
Indirectly. It affects how happy pops are, which in turn affects their faction-ability.

Well, that's the theory. In practice factions do nothing, ever, so you can let divergance run out of control and it won't cost you a thing. The only faction that ever revolts is slave factions, which is the one that isn't connected to happiness. And even then the slave revolts are pushovers that won't cause you any trouble.

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>>159120342
send help

>>159119489
chopping woods is cheating

>>159120631
How unhappy are they?

>>159119489
>chopping woods when lumber mills exist
For what purpose

>>159120638
I only chop woods that are inside or reasonably close to my territory, as much as I'd like to pretend that sending a deep undercover builder squad to Aztecland and chopping down all their rainforests to magically have the Petra get instantly completed is realistic

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Yeeeaah

Yeeeaah

>>159120684
Most are around 10-20% happiness.

I just noticed that -25% comes from "recently conquered" so I guess it'll get better soon

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>tfw producing cossacks without horses or niter

>>159120828
>Most are around 10-20% happiness.
Yeah that's extremely low.
That's why you have factions.

>>159119682
>pure celt/germanic
>apparently have egyptian roots
That's bullshit.

What's the most deceptively strong Civ in 6?

Germany?

>>159120895
ur a fuken retard lol

>>159120846
>niter
>existing in Civ VI
Laughing

>>159120895
>german
>celts
>pure
t./pol/tard

>>159120948

Stop even debating this, before patch there is only Scythia and everything else is shit.

We can debate about it if they fix selling and hammers shit and then we will see what is strong etc.

>>159121450
Faggot

I am fond of Scythia.

Will I get warmonger pens for attacking civs other civs haven't found?

I want to explore the oher continent but about to try clear out this civ next to me too

>>159121690
Just ignore this, all AI will hate you anyway for this or other reason.

>>159120948
yes. The high production coupled with extra district passed pop limit makes your cities develop much faster than other civs

does civ vi have increased culture costs for having more cities?

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>>159121690
Your seas are unprotected, friend. All too easy to raid.

I am fond of no scaling tech or civic costs.

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>found both terraforming gases and liquids within the territory of the first 5 planets I've colonized
>now costs just a measly 1000 energy to terraform yellow/same climate planets
Guess I'll definitely be playing the terraforming game.

So, the epic time is completly broken.

I'm not even trying to get the scientific victory, yet I'm already in the modern world in the 16th century. The game really needs a fix.

>>159122925

You can skip a lot of techs and reach the atomic era at the XI century if you really want. It's pretty broke yeah.

Also, the devs, in their insurmountable faggotry, completely forgot the fact that most of the advances Europe did during the XVI-XIX century, both scientific and culturally, were due to how much we hated each other's guts and wanted to surpass the other. Right now warring is the worse you can do to advance quickly.

Put into perspective, the Roman world practically stayed the same for almost 5 centuries thanks to being a big, seemingly indestructible colossus that didn't have any real competition except the parthians and the sassanids.

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>>159122314
Uncanny.

>>159123646
>Right now warring is the worse you can do to advance quickly.
Like half of the eurekas are related to military

>>159122925
I've done deity science victory in 1750

>>159120828
>soon
kek, that shit takes FOREVER to change

>>159120993
>mongrel projecting

>>159123646
China is a better example

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>>159123646
> le war is the mother of invention meme
Nice to hear how all those advances in quantum chemistry and artificial intelligence just keep pouring out of Syria these days

>>159124053

>Implying Russia, EU and USA aren't testing new techs, weapons and learning tactics from the field.
>Implying this hadn't happened in the past a lot of times.

>>159124496
How did it went in the Viet-Nam?

>>159124496
He's a spurdo posting shitposter, just ignore.

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a heretic is generally someone who doesn't believe or opposes catholicism
are there terms for people who oppose islam, judaism, buddhism etc? These religions must have a term that is similar

>>159123710

Total scientific techs: 69

Techs boosted by killing something: 6, all of then achievable against barbarians

Total cultural techs: 50

Techs boosted by killing something: 2, and once again all of then you can get then by killing barbarians.

My point stands, going to war against other civs is the worse you can do to advance in the tech trees, contrary to what history has shown time and time again.

>>159124776
The fact that you say history shows us anything is proof that you are not a historian.

>>159125126

ok mate, whatever you say.

Does overflow stack continuously or something?
I 1 turned like 7 archers and then all of a sudden I could 1 turn a wonder or a district.

>>159124774
Yeah. For kebabs, it's "infidel".
For Jews, it's "goi".
For buddhism, it's "sinner".

>>159125321
>infidel
this is what I was looking for, thanks

>>159125321
"infidel" is in no way linked to muslims
fucking ignorant american

>>159125379
Christian also used the term "unbeliever", but it was more toward atheists.
Heretics were really people that actively went against Christianism and tried to harm it, while unbelievers were passive. Heretics were actively hunted down, while unbelievers were not considered humans.

Fun fact : it was one of the excuses given to justify the slaughter of the americans natives, as it was said that only promises between christians were worth anything.

>>159125521
Why are you fucking americans?

>>159124774
Heresy is like an offshoot from a religion. Protestants are heretics to the Catholic church. Shiites are heretics to Sunnis.
Someone that believes in an entirely different religion has different names but they all roughly mean the same. Infidel, heathen or pagan.

>>159125521
Infidel is what catholics called muslims isn't it? At least originated by catholics. Nowadays muslims use it for non muslims

>>159125570
>It was one of the excuses given by the english colonists to justify the slaughter of the americans natives, as it was said that only promises between christians were worth anything.

ftfy

>>159124053
War isn't but competition is, and Syria lacks the infrastructure to do anything anyway.
AI and computers were originally miltary (computers more pure math) and chemistry got a huge boost from government funding to get weaponry.

>>159125857
Not just the Englishes.
The Spanish and Portuguese conquistadors did it too, to justify Atahualpa's murder despite the ransom being paid.

>>159124774
A heretic isn't a christian-only term let alone catholic only
Heretics generally claim to be the same religion but disagree on key points while heathens are just a different religion.

I am fond of blasphemers.

>norway is my neighbour
>take control of his cities
>all have holy sites taking up district slots

why can't i destroy districts

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This thread is becoming dangerous.

>>159125918

I dunno about the portuguese, but in law, since almost the very beginning of the conquest, the kings of Castille deemed the natives as royal subjects and as such, they required to be treated the same as an spaniard. The Catholic kings tried to further enhance this by encouraging mixed matrimonies bettwen the natives and the spaniards, which ave birth to the tradition of mixed races of latinamerica.

It's true that the encomienda system fucked up the natives, but that had much more to do with the greedyness of the colonists than any kind of ethical justification like the english colonists did.

Finally, during 1551-1552 there was a serious debate about how america and the natives should be treated and governed, which gave birth to the first laws of protection toward natives in human history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valladolid_debate

Meanwhile, the anglos would happily keep killing natives for the next 300 years without a single shred of scruples.

>>159126216
I like danger.

>>159125706
I always took infidel to mean the same as heretic; someone who is against a particular religion and and stronger term than just being a heathen (no faith) or pagan (meme gods)

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>>159126216
>>159126250
danger is my middle name

>>159126176
Same reason you cant move the city to a slightly better location. It's a part of the city, don't like it, burn the city.

>>159126248
The Belgians are worse. I read some stuff they did in Africa. Apparently, if you weren't productive enough, they would go to your house, cut your wife's and kids' hands, and take them.

>>159101692
So Distant Worlds

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Anyone feel that planets fill to fast in Stellaris?
Every time I meat aliens their planets are already filled with them.
Also is there a way to keep some loyal alien subjects on their own separate planets without them rebelling all the time because they adopt xenophobic way of their masters?

Damn. The Stellaris pastebin is outdated. Atleast the mod one.

>>159118446
>Ragnarok
u wot m8? They like you for bringing their doomsday?

>It's 2270 and I haven't even SEEN a single crystal entity
Did they remove them? Am I just unlucky?

>>159124776
What? I'm sure that nearly all of latest eurekas require you to have a military, I know that I missed all of those in my peacefull games

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>playing on deity
>get a couple of cities going with some early fast expansion and wars
>turn 100, all of a sudden Japan comes out of nowhere with like a dozen Samurai, Heavy Chariots, and Catapults
>can't possibly hold this off with my army that doesn't even have the strategic resources to upgrade
>literally one turn away from sacking my capital, Japan offers peace and wants to give ME luxury resources and relics
the AI in this game man

>>159126661

It's different to just build a couple units and/or military structures than actually using then in battle.

Most of these so called military eurekas or inspirations are simply that. Check the tech and culture tree by yourself.

>>159126248
>killing the natives for the next 300 years
I think you mean "civilising" the natives

How the fuck do I make friends in this game? Everybody hate my guts. I've seen some people say Gilgamesh is loyal but that fucker attacks me as soon as he can. All angry faces and declaring surprise wars.
The game is broken.

>>159126972
you dont get to bring friends

First civ game, got to say diplomacy a bit weird but then again I come from playing total war where diplomacy is almost none existence most of the time. I like how if you fuck up another civ when they're on the backfoot you can actually sue them for peace and talk half their cities because they "know" they're about to get the wiped the fuck out and it's only way they are going to survive.

>Spain are an old enemy becoming a new friend
>strong Greek alliance and defensive pact
>fat peace deal with Japan taking everything but two cities
>already on to preliminary discussion for future relations

>>159126972
Be polite in the first instance.
Send a delegation asap.
If they don't accept, give them a bribe.
Don't go against agendas.
If they're whiny baby agendas like China, Brazil, et al then just give up.

I have a theory that civs that are thinking of declaring against you will refuse delegations/friendships regardless of relationship level or at least it seems like it.

>>159126707
Made you their bitch anon. Bend over and let those filthy nips into your bum and worship their dicks with your anus.

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>>159126574
>Anyone feel that planets fill to fast in Stellaris?
Yes
>Also is there a way to keep some loyal alien subjects on their own separate planets without them rebelling all the time because they adopt xenophobic way of their masters?
Turn off the Free Migration policy, slap mind control lasers on the spaceport

>>159126574
>meat
I am fond of xeno steaks

>>159127853
>no option to go full cannibal
But I want to make a carnivorous space nazi empire.

>>159127765
It's also possible to genemod your primary species and then prevent them from migrating by setting migration to "primary species only".

Means you only ever get inwards migration, but comes at the cost of 5 happy.

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>>159126764

It's ok, because it sometimes makes funny stuff like this happen

>>159127957
Not as bad as that sticky you put on your car that says "your in america, speak english", very exactly.

>>159127957
You realise this didn't happen right

We get shit like that here in Wales too
>brown woman speaking parseltongue on the phone
>someone complains that she's not speaking English
>'actually I was speaking Welsh :^) :^) :^)'
>LOL RACISTS BTFO

It's never true, just turns up in the Guardian write-ins every now and then

>>159128123
It should say "You're in America, speak bastardised English"

>>159126972
when you first meet them check the first impressions if its moderate -3 -4 then send delegaton and maybe open borders + do trade deal and send trade route if possible, also you can just give them like 10 gold per turn and they will like you

if first impressions is like -7 -8 just give up and accept they hate you

Are wars in Stellaris still just one big fleet battle and then drag on forever while you conquer planets in boring-ass army battles and your enemy has no chance to make a come-back, ever?

>>159128221
"You're in America, speak english, but not with too much banter I'll sue you"

>>159128212

Like nearly all propaganda used by both sides. Still funny though, because it's plausible given Navajo's skin color and middle west americans' chauvinism

>>159128276
Depends. In the higher difficulty level, they can spawn fleets out of their asses.

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Ok so I need a tip. What the hell am I supposed to do with the unbidden? They spawned on the other side of the galaxy, in the middle of the most powerful empire atm. That empire got spanked and is nothing now.

The AI cant do shit and the unbidden continue to spread everywhere. I can put together 50 something fleet, but I got no allies to get a decent fleet size together. I can take on one of the 60k unbidden stacks flying around, but with losses and thats just a fraction of them anyway.

The portal alone got 90k strength on it, with other trash in the system and there is a 500k doomstack flying around. I suppose the game is lost right?

I get that the crises are supposed to shake things up ... but end the game? Thats stupid.

>>159127957
ugh, this is america! And you get it right the first time!

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1478093374320.webm

>>159127765
Is it possible to have sector AI that builds things, improves buildings and is not shit?

>>159128419
What a whore.
>"customer's always right"
Yeah, right, and opinion can't be wrong.

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>Playing Civ VI
>Found this

Was the only part of the game that made me enjoy it desu.

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>>159128396
Arc Emitters cut through them like a knife through butter
Use them.

Can I check amenities of other civs? do AI get bonuses to amenities?

Because some civs hidden agenda is "likes civs with happy citizens" so they can know my amenities

Can you remove a lux and put a wonder on its tile instead?

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>>159128592
Lol.
No.

>>159128724
The possibility of dealing 1 damage turned me off them, but ok, will try. I guess I have time to get my fleet size up a bit before they start knocking at my gates...

I know there isn't an official news on it yet but when do you guys think the patch will be released? It has to be in this month right?

>>159128354
I guess that explains why an Empire rated as pathetic suddelny pulled a fleet bigger than mine out its ass

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>>159128948
11 NOVEMBER

England is pretty strong with internal trade routes, only Civ with unique district that gives a trade route so just spam cities within 3 tiles of lake or coast for harbors

make so much money with +gold trade route civics too

Is Distant Worlds dead? The last patch was released more than one year ago

>>159129505
They're working on 2 now but are very hush-hush about it for some reason-

>>159129505
It isn't dead. It's complete. There's a huge difference.

winning on civ 6's higher difficulties basically consists of

>did you build your city defenses and army large enough to survive the first 300 turns?
>alright you won because the AI literally don't know how to win outside of domination and an accidental culture win

>>159129505
Finished would be a more apt term. I'm sure someone more versed can tell us what's still wrong with it and needs a patch. But overall - it's a complete expirience.

>>159129617
The AI can't even win domination mate.

>>159128331
people making fun of the US citizen's ability to sue will never make sense to me

Corporations and governments have access to the best lawyers in the country. If you win against a large corporation (McDonalds coffee woman) then you are most definitely in the right.

Suing is quite honestly one of the most fundamental parts of a judicial system. It allows the common person to wield the law. China had a huge problem with their citizens finding it hard to sue others.

>>159129617
Except the AI doesnt into domination. I've seen it besiege a city for 200 turns with 6 ranged units because it couldnt figure out that ranged units cant capture cities

>>159129617
AI lead designer said the AI has never won domination in only AI simulations, the closest was 3 capitals

>>159129810
>people making fun of the US citizen's ability to sue will never make sense to me
It's about prevalence of frivolous suits in america. I know it's not real and most of them get thrown out very quickly. But it's just plain amusing to a lot of europeans that a simple dispute between two parties requires judicial system to resolve. Adults behaving like children is a thing that happens way more in america than most other countries.

Any Civ 6 tips? No Saka

>>159127957
What the fuck is that guy's problem, other people can talk in whatever language they want on the phone

>>159129810
>implying Mcdonalds coffee woman was right
She wanted to jew, it's that simple.
The judicial system is for serious disputes that need a third neutral party (supposedly the jury) to decide the dispute using Law as a guideline. Being too fucking retarded to know that yes, a cup of hot coffee is fucking hot, should never have made it that high.

>>159129810
>China had a huge problem with their citizens finding it hard to sue others
Nah their problem is being too easy, it's the origin of abandoned dude on street, because that dude sometimes sued you for damages because you were involved. People sometimes fell over ON THEIR OWN in front of PARKED CARS then sued people who helped them up.

i am fond of pigs

>>159130742
Same story with that baby that got ran over by a truck and nobody helped.
In Russia, it happened too, that's why they all have cameras.

>>159130080

"that's fine, ship it"

>>159130742

Reminds me of why people in Russia put cameras in their cars in order to have hard evidence against people who routinely threw thenselves in front of other people's cars in order to sue then with the help of "witnesses"

At least we've got a lot of funny vids like this thanks to that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPkE2hHneP4

>>159130312

civ6 tip: don't

>>159130436
land of the free

>>159129856
lol

>>159130968
>radio plays "Don't Stop Me Now"
>bumps another car
Shoulda stopped there, mate.

>that gun
Spooked/10

Hol up
Can cities just straight up join you if you overtake someone's culture with tourism?

is it still one crisis per game in heinlein?

>>159131264
In Civ 5?
Not directly, they also have to be very unhappy due to ideological pressure.

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>>159131264
>forgot pic
>>159131354
Guess france is really unhappy with communism
Not suprised in the slightest though

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>>159131286
Da.

>>159130968
holy fuck that one with the giant hay bale on the roof
i am laffin

Does the pyramids, or other worker builds bonuses apply to slave workers gained from eagle warriors?

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>messing around on Prince to play with Great Wall stuff
>Russia meets me
>next turn he and Cleo immediately DoW me despite being on the other side of the large pangaea map
Bonkers. If only they spent less time trying to cook up spicy memes and more time listening to absolutely anyone who played the game before release.

Are the FTL methodes better balanced or is wormhole still the one to rule them all?

>>159130968
Doesn't work in Beijing anymore, there's cams everywhere public.
There was that story of a rapist who got caught at 3AM before he managed to even stick it in because the cops saw him on street camera assaulting her.

>>159132591

lol. I guess having a former but still quite police state has its advantages. We wouldn't have gotten so much shit out of the Cologne new year's night scandal.

>>159132207
>tumblr nose

>>159132836
Gov seems to be legit trying to clean up its act. You can get blacklisted from all foreign flights for pulling shit like jumping on cherry trees in Japan or that Egyptian tomb faggot
I don't mind the cams because they're public only and it helps with security and clearing up cases of criminal or civil misconduct, without relying on "witnesses".

>>159130968
>CURRENT YEAR
>not having junkies driving heavy loads at high speeds
Really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRFcGHJAem0

>>159131546
To be clearer than that anon, their happiness have to be -20 or below, and your ideology has to be tourismically superior to theirs and your capital has to be closer to them than another civilization that follows your ideology. I also think the city closest to your capital revolts first

>Become suzerain of city state
>Can't build walls without faith now

I should have thought this through.

>>159133440
You sure you didn't unlock civil engineering?

So if you have the steam version of Stellaris can you still pirate the DLC?

Can you play multiplayer with a pirate copy, or a steam copy with pirated DLC?

I only have Stellaris through Steam Family Sharing so I can't actually buy the DLC.

>>159134086
yes you faggot stop asking

>>159130628
She was right. Do your actual research on the case. The coffee caused severe damage, and it was due to McDonald's using unsafe methods in terms of how much they heated the coffee (it was much, much hotter than the coffee made at any other similar place, and htus caused extremely severe burns). The suit forced them to retool their methods to be safer to consumers.

Why do you think corporations should just be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want and get away with injuring and killing their customers?

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>>159132207
>Ammun-Re
>China
WUT

>>159134482
This is the first time I got an answer.

Wheres the best place to find the DLC?

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>>159117571
Made a few fixes/changes to OP riffing off of what you guys have been saying,

What do you think?

http://pastebin.com/KQeXXZ3i

>>159134842
dlc by itself? not sure mate. I pirated it and it came with all the dlc

>>159134958
>move steam group to civ section. No need to make it out as it's important or big

>>159135173
Hokay, just edited, check again. Left OP Pastebin link at the bottom

>>159135129
Do they have a download for it anywhere that's just a direct download like /gsg/ has for most of their games? Can a normal pirated copy play online with steam copies?

My ISP blocks torrents.

I'd totally buy Stellaris and it's DLC if it was half the price it is, but you just don't get enough game for what you pay for.

/vg/ League team when

>>159135343
I vote Blorg for defense.

If you build a wonder or a district on a forest do you get the extra hammers dedicated to that wonder/district for clearing the forest?

>>159135527
no afaik

>>159135343
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//civ4xg/

Needs some severe updating

>>159135436
bad forced dev meme

>>159135285
I like it, but some faggot is guaranteed to fuck it up and post wrong one, so don't be surprised if the next thread has wrong one.

>>159135527
no, you have to do it manually with a builder
on a side note i would recommend chopping down every single forest tile in your borders because lumber mills arent good or early enough compared to the massive instant production boost

>>159135887
Fine, fine, then what's your idea for Stellaris entry? Dimensional Horror Dimensional Horror as Dimensional Horror?

>>159136161
Can you build lumber mills on trees you plant later?

>>159119682
>my toes don't match any of those
My big and second tow are even and the last three ascend evenly like greek.
I'm either a stunted greek or mongrel through my roma blood.,

>my neighbour completely destroys a civ and takes out 4 cities
>friends with him not allies
>i go take one city somewhere else and he fucking hates me for warmongering

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Other than disregarding lasers, and X weapons being disappointing, what's the new meta for 1.3?

Are torpedoes and amoebas still worth it, or should I just maximize kinetic artillery?

Where is the CivII guy? Did his global warming strategy work out? Did he survive the babylonian atomic backstab?

>>159137038
Why disregard lasers?

>>159134673
From a physics / chemistry point of view, liquid coffee literally cannot go higher than 100C, which can't cause 'severe damage' unless you jam your hand it and keep it there.

>>159135343
C2C needs to be a player

>>159137729
I call bullshit on this. Coffee has higher density than water and can go higher temp before turning gaseous. Not that I know what that point for "average" coffee is.

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>>159137313
Will continue, but taking a break.

The polar caps have melted twice.
When I continue I think I will build up more spies and then nuke all of their cities through espionage.
I think it takes like 17 turns between each polar ice cap melting and they need to melt quite a few times. Each turn on their end results in a lot of bombing, and during my turns I make sure to move around fighters to scout for enemies I can kill which takes some time.

My fort lines have been broken a few times, but they've been easily retaken with howitzers.

Worst hit was when the babylonians broke the line and snuck a spy through.
The spy didn't nuke(spies can nuke cities with SDI) the city, but it didn't poison the water supply lowering the population a lot.

>>159138019
Not significantly higher. It's not density, it's a solution / heteromix of suspended particles and not a particularly high ratio one at that. Even 150 (which is pure bs) is hardly enough to cause ''severe'' damage.

>>159119682
>90% brit
>roots are apparently roman or greek
what the fug

>>159137729
>unless you jam your hand it and keep it there.
Hey Einstein what do you think happens when a boiling LIQUID comes in contact with your COTTON clothing

Is the shield regen daily or monthly? Hull reg tissue is monthly but the shields don't have any description

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>>159137313
>>159138167
oh and the babylonian atomic backstab wasn't a problem.

I have 3 SDI defenses that cover the area around all my cities.
They keep trying though. I stopped counting the egyptian nukes after they hit 50.


Currently trying ww2 scenario as allies.

>>159138252
That thing is bullshit.

>>159138296
Nothing, it cools down fast and causes a 1st degree burn at most.
Brits and Asians make tea from boiling water.

>>159137729
Explain why the woman in the hot coffee case literally needed skin grafts due to how damn hot the McDonald's coffee was then. There may also have been issues with how the cups were designed as well, leading to easy spillage.

Regardless, the problem is that corporations and ignorant people try to portray the case as the woman who was injured being a money-grubber, when the fact is that most of the damages weren't even paid to her - she was just suing for them to cover her damn medical costs. Most of the damages were paid to the state as punitive damages due to finding that McDonald's had not taken care to change their ways even with a history of prior burn victims.

The woman wasn't suing to be a money-grubber, she was suing for the corporation to take fucking responsibility for their unsafe practices causing injury by paying for those medical bills, and also to ensure that they would take steps to make sure shit like this won't happen again.

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How do I deal with the bugs? They keep sending 80k fleets at my borders and all I can do is contain them as they made a massive hive inside my rivals former borders.

>>159138456
>1st degree burn
Still pretty dire.

>>159138456
>from boiling water
What do americucks use to make coffee then?

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Dunno if the guy that gave me the advice is still here but hey, just destroyed the portal, thanks for the arc tip.

Had to jump just from the right angle but the portal melted away with just a 500 fleet.

>>159138970
Beer.

>>159138593
PD and strikecraft

>>159138538
I'm talking from physics, coffee literally can't get hot enough to cause actual severe burns without boiling away.
I don't give a shit about the 'case' or corporations or jewing, I'm informing you of a physical reality.
Was she right? Maybe but it certainly isn't because of how hot the coffee was. Maybe the cup as you said.

>>159138596
>1st degree
>serious
Alright we differed on what's serious it seems.
I know fuckall about the case, I'm not the original guy, I'm pointing out that coffee physically has an upper temperature limit and is often served from boiling water anyway, which ALSO burns you to 1st degree if you shove you hand in.

>>159138970
I don't know I presume not boiling water if it's a big deal to get burned from freshly brewed hot beverages.

>>159139126
Given that my standard is "no fucking burn at all", a first degree is still dire.

>>159139194
The medical world scoffs at you, 1st degree is mild or moderate at best.
By the way, order a hot tea from a trusted resturant then pour it onto your legs immediately and see what happens.

The strength of the corvette spam in Stellaris is ridiculous. Two fleets about 130 ship strong, one has 110 corvettes (armed with proton torpedoes and small lasers) a few destroyers and a cruiser, the other has 80 corvettes, 30 destroyers, 10 cruisers and 5 battleships with point defense and kinetic weapons and superior armor. Guess which fleet wins?

>>159135343
Interest +1
I nominate Scythia for goalscorer

>>159139194
>order hot coffee
>get mad when it's hot
Hello Freedom, I'm being oppressed

>>159139571
>order Hot Coffee
>actually get a coffee and not a fuck
I'd get mad too.

>>159139751
Am I missing a meme

>>159139126
and your physical reality is still wrong, because she was burned by the coffee severe enough to require skin grafts. So clearly coffee can be hot enough to cause severe burns, because it literally did. You can look up the pictures. So no, no matter what bullshit you spew, the fact that it happened proves your statement wrong.

>>159139809
>physical reality is wrong
>reality is wrong
Aight.

>>159139947
I said YOUR physical reality. As in what you claim is physical reality is wrong. As has been proven. Because if it was right, then it should have been physically impossible for her to be burned. But the facts showed she was literally physically burned. Which means what you claim is the physical reality is proven wrong.

>>159139797
>he never played San Andreas
Everyone, look at this pleb and laugh.

>>159139947
but how burns
does any of your shit even matter if she did in fact have severe burns caused solely by 88C~ coffee

>/civ4xg/ - hot coffee general

>>159140156
talk about the game then
and i mean my specific game not any of the other dozens of games

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I like Seven Kingdoms 2.

Since ther'es all the arguing, here's the reason for why teh coffee caused such severe burns:

>The sweatpants Liebeck was wearing absorbed the coffee and held it next to her skin. A vascular surgeon determined that Liebeck suffered full thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body, including her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin areas. She was hospitalized for eight days, during which time she underwent skin grafting.

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>>159138970
>What do americucks use to make coffee then?

A coffee maker.

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>>159140203

>>159140320
Isn't it her pants fault then?

>>159140585
If your hair catch on fire because someone was playing with a lighter next to your face, you don't sue your hair, you sue the moron.

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>>159140449
Don't be rude, my game is the best game.

>>159140052
You dumb nigger.
Any hot beverage WILL burn you to that extent provided you remain in contact for too long. Coffee can't fucking burn you any more than boiling water can, since that is how coffee is made and served. Do you mean to say boiled water and tea are now illegal to serve?

>>159140078
>88C
So not even boiling water?
Hot coffee is boiling water tier or not even in this case. Extended contact causes burns, sure but that means shit, so does tea or even some ramen soups.

>>159140320
How long was she in contact? Thirds from water is not particularly easy to achieve, she had to have been basically drenched for full minutes.
I also am even more convinced that this has to be blamed on cup design or something, because the problem isn't temperature anymore and those pants would've made even cooler coffee (70-75) cause 2nd degree burns.

>>159140823
But 88C isn't abnormally hot for coffee. It's not even boiling.

>>159140585
Do you wear pants expecting to get them doused in scalding hot coffee?

>>159140585
Almost all pants are going to absorb liquids like that. So unless you're going to argue that it should be a rasonable expectation for someone to take their pants off before drinking coffee, no matter where they are, then no.

It still sounds like the bigger issue to me wasn't with the heat of the liquid, but with how the cup was designed. I do know one of the results of the case was they re-desigend the cups to prevent spilling, so as said, the lawsuit did ultimately have a positive effect- pushing the company to take methods to make their product safer for the consumer.

>>159140924
Isn't it about cup design and not coffee's temperature then?
You can be burned from sub-60 degree soup if you stay in contact too long.

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>buying coffee from mcdonalds
>buying fast food coffee to begin with
she deserved what she got

>>159140959
McDonalds is garbage
Should've just been disbanded

>>159140959
We really should get pants law pushed through congress. So much suffering would be avoided.

>this derail
I don't even fucking like coffee.

>>159141112
We need to adopt weebrobes and togas again

>>159141135
It's about hot water

>>159140320
Sounds like she's a stupid bitch

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I am fond of coffee

I feel like there ought to be a way to limit food production consumption in one city and transfer the surplus food to another one. It would make it way easier to build up a ginormous capital or core cities when going wide.

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>>159141034
>they have "mccafes"

>/coffee4ug/

>>159140907
Firstly, I apologize before on the reality comments. I'm the same person who found the pants explanation, so I will admit I was retarded and was wrong in that argument. I'm sorry.

Secondly, as for how long in contact, She was a passenger in a vehicle at the time of the spill, and also was a 79-year-old lady probably going in panic mode from the sudden burning, so she probably wasn't able to calmly assess the situation and immediately take the pants off.

It was found in the case that McDonalds did serve at a higher temprature though, which was an issue raised during the actual case:

>McDonalds also said during discovery that, based on a consultants advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to maintain optimum taste. He admitted that he had not evaluated the safety ramifications at this temperature. Other establishments sell coffee at substantially lower temperatures, and coffee served at home is generally 135 to 140 degrees.

>Further, McDonalds' quality assurance manager testified that the company actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185 degrees, plus or minus five degrees. He also testified that a burn hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above, and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing the "holding temperature" of its coffee.

>>159141236
wtf that tweet is real thats fucking comedy gold

>mfw enjoying beyond earth more than civ5
though that probably tells more about civ5 than anything else though

>>159141349
>I will admit I was retarded and was wrong in that argument. I'm sorry.
Holy fucking shit, that's the first time I see that.

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GENTLEMEN

How do we fix Stellaris?

I really love the game and the concept, but I feel like it needs some major overhauls to improve replayability. What are your issues with the game and how would you fix them?

>>159141349
Plaintiffs' expert, a scholar in thermodynamics applied to human skin burns, testified that liquids, at 180 degrees, will cause a full thickness burn to human skin in two to seven seconds. Other testimony showed that as the temperature decreases toward 155 degrees, the extent of the burn relative to that temperature decreases exponentially. Thus, if Liebeck's spill had involved coffee at 155 degrees, the liquid would have cooled and given her time to avoid a serious burn.

That last paragraph is why they argued that McDoanlds serving the coffee at a higher than other restaurants temperature lead to the hazard

>>159141349
>I'm sorry
...fuck I can't act like a dick anymore, well played.

>>159141349
>coffee served at home is generally 60C
u wot, do americucks not boil a kettle like civilised people?

>>159141537
>>159141459
>>159141349
>/civ4xg/ anons drop their weapons and grouphug

>A diplomat is a man who remembers a woman's coffee but never its temperature.

>>159141517
>2 - 7 sec.
I was under the impression that it was 20+ seconds.
Either way, you're too nice, I lose.

>>159141636
Yeah, that's cool and all, but what do you fags think about transferring food surpluses from one city to another?

>>159141494
Just fucking play DW.

>>159141517
Could it have something to do with her being old?

>>159141636
>all mankind needed to stop fighting was a "I was wrong, I'm sorry"

>>159141575
Who knows
Chinks drink hot water freshly boiled from the kettle though so yeah...

>>159141236
Yep, they had to apologise for it.

>>159141782
Old dudes have thinner and drier (and therefore more easily heatable) skin iirc so probably

Is there any game where you don't play as the emperor of all mankind but just as some kind of Alien-like corporation, with the power to do pretty much everything you want for profit? I'd like some corporation war in space.

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>>159141494
First we need to identify a problem.

>>159141919
EvE

>>159141857
>thinskinnedamericans.png

>>159141902
>dudes
Was that a slip or are there diffrences inskin by gender?

I mean woman do retain water better.

>>159141919
>Corporation war in space
EVE Online. It's an MMO though.

There have been some legit amazing moments in gaming history that have developed organically on their own in EVE's servers, completely unregulated by the creators. Google some stories and your jaw will drop.

>>159141967
This

>>159142046
Just people in general. Women have literally thinner skin too though even compared to men.

>>159141782
They were saying that, already factoring her age, if the coffee was at 155 degrees (as it is with most othe restaurants), she wouldn't have been seriously burned. That's what their whole argument boiled down to - that they intentinoally served their coffee at a higher temperature than most others, and if they had served it at the same temperature other restaurants did, this wouldn't have happened. Thus, McDonalds was responsible for the injury due to their practices.

>>159141967
>>159142091
>MMO
Sorry, but I'll pass. I tried World of Warcraft, it made me hate all MMOs.

>>159142157
>WoW is the only MMO all others are clones
Fuck you.

>>159142157
You don't seem to understand the difference between a theme park MMO (WoW) and a sandbox MMO (EVE)

>>159141729
It should be possible but then you will need change the pop growth mechanics.
Like food is needed to feed population, some surplus help growth, food can be stored for famine times and pops growth in cities from migration from countryside and other shit(like better hygiene and sanitation).

But I think it would be great to farm resources and yields outside city range like in Alpha Centauri using supply units. Or at last by building camps or forts to get resource.

>>159142146
>Women have literally thinner skin
I saw that on Tumblr, yeah. People identifying themselves are women too.

>>159142203
UO was great too

>>159142258
I get it's a joke but like, the actual physical thickness is less.

>>159142203
>implying the community is any better without moderation
Nah.
I'll just make several different human empires, all named about various businesses, and call it a day.

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>>159141236

Fucking gold 10/10

>>159142446
It is, and the MMO literally doesn't work the same way.

>>159142446
I mean okay, I don't have any need to force you to play the damn thing. Your loss

>>159141494
i haven't played stellaris since release so i don't know if they fixed anything but assuming they fixed the obvious bugs:

>more species variety from a gameplay standpoint
besides ideology everything is mostly just cosmetic and doesn't really affect how you play the actual game. for example the planet wheel is a missed potential that could have made big differences in what you can colonize but in the end it's just a matter of what color of planet do you want senpai that is made moot with technology. moo2 have more impactful traits

>warfare
casus beli system is shit if you want to be warmonger in the context of space, this isn't eu4

>planets and sectors
more indepth management of planets, i was able to fix the midgame bore by increasing planet limit to 10 so there was always something to tweak and set up new colonies before giving it to sectors. what paradox has gone was to eliminate this satisfying management completely by limiting you to too few planets and not providing you with anything to do instead.

>tech tree
again, needs more variety from game to game. it works great at first but after few games you realize you discover everything except 1-2 ideology related techs anyway, which in turn makes every other aspect like ship design and planet management the same or similar every game

not sure how they improved the ai over the time so i won't comment on that

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Thoughts on my city setup?

The construction grounds are Commercial Hubs, the H pins are where the Hansa goes, the number that follows it, is the adjacency bonus. 4 from 2 adjacent CH, 1 from 2 adjacent districts and 1 or 2 from resources.

>>159142514
I don't want to anyway. You can't imagine how much I hate MMOs. It's always the same thing.
>"it'll be different this time!"
>grind
>get shitted, insulted, scammed and whatever else
>grind more
>trade spam everywhere

I just hate MMOs so fucking much.

>>159142686
It's okay, I'm just starting to get bored of seeing ebin german district screenshots though. But that's not your fault

>>159142727
What a wonderful blog. Please post more.

>>159142727
Subscribed dumbass

>>159142727
Point to where I asked you this please

>>159142791
You think they're gonna nerf it?

>>159142828
>>159142850
>>159142897
>shitposters getting mad that someone criticize their game
Your salty tears are delicious.

>>159142951
>I'm so new I unironically think WoW is the only MMO model
gtfo underage b&

>>159142951
How can you criticize a game that you know nothing about? If you came up with legit criticisms specific to EVE after playing it I would pay attention to you. But you're crying about MMO generalities that you hate when literally none asked you.

Go back to /v/

>>159142727
>Want to play as big bad alian-corporation company
>But I don't want to be scammed!

What a fucking baby.

>>159142951
Hey, if wow was the only mmo I'd ever played, I'd hate the genre too.

>>159142951
How can you criticize EvE if you've never played it, are you that kid who says Chaucey and Dickens are shit because the chads say they're shit?

>>159143013
>>159143083
>>159143124
>>159143161
Cry more. Your angry fanboys tears are salty enough to preserve meat.

>>159142941
its hardly the most retarded thing in the game

>>159143242
>>>/b/

>>159143242
Stop embarrassing yourself kiddo. The entire general is laughing at your newfaggotry.

>>159141736
What does Distant Worlds do better than Stellaris?

I've never played either and I'm looking to buy one or the other.

>>159143242
Are you 12 years old?

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They start with 3 settlers in deity instead of two. Devs must have known how terrible the AI is in 6 and given it it a bump.

>>159143161
Canterbury is a huge fucking pain to read desu

>>159143323
Jesus

>>159143283
>>159143293
>getting this mad
And you still haven't proved that EvE is good. All you did was proving that it has the worst community.
Nice job shooting yourself in the dick, idiots. Now you can fuck off to your hugbox.

>>159143323
>Deity is still the easiest it's ever been
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>159143297
Everything that isn't graphics. Some also argue that Stellaris has better UI, because DW has this habit of providing you with exhaustive data on everything you so much as glance at, but that's not something I can agree with.

>>159143323
Yeah, they knew.

>>159143323
pretty depressing that ive already defeated diety in 6 with no exploits when i never beat it in 5

>>159143242
>>159143450
t. HPMIDF aka R&I aka Steamgruppe aka Emily aka Discord aka Rob aka Alex Grandi aka Reed aka Cobra aka Kojak aka Turkslayer aka Yung Yohan

Why is Spain so good?

>>159143450
>Prove EVE is good

Why would I waste my time "proving" why a game is good to a snotty kid that doesn't even want to try it because he thinks it's like WoW...?

You're acting like an entitled brat who belongs in /v/.

>>159143323
still easier than civ 5 deity

their scaling bonuses into mid/late game are weak

>>159143482
>Stellarshit ui
>good
It's the same as Civ VI's shit, you need to click ten unintuitive buttons to get the info you need, which sometimes doesn't exist.

>>159143567
>>159143652
And there we go, fanboys get offended when told their game is shit, can't react in a mature way, and throw a childish tantrum.
*sigh*
Pathetic, really. Is this how all EvE players are like? I just dodged a huge bullet by deciding to never touch that overrated piece of shit.

>>159143567
Who the fuck is Emily

>>159143323
builder spawns on every settle too you don't see at spawn location

>>159143778
Mate, don't. Seriously, save yourself, don't dig the hole.

>>159143771
You gotta go back

>>159123881
>Calls others mongrels
>Is a mongrel between Celts and Germans
Are you retarded?

>>159143831
I've been in /gsg/ since /vg/ wasn't a thing and I have no clue who she (?) is.

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>>159143771
>>159143242
>>159142951
>>159142727
Bretty good bait anon.

>>159143948
It's too obvious, the last good one was the blog

Someone get me a mod for >VI that reduces the speed at which barbarians advance technologically.

How the fuck do these niggers have 3 frigates at my doors, when 99% of the world haven't researched the tech.

>>159143894
Not an argument, therefore you lose, and your game is still shit.

>>159143948
Shhh, I have a few good idiots taking the baits.

>>159144060
"barbarians"
You playing China?

>>159144085
>merely pretending to be retarded

>>159144085
talex
t. Rebecca Emily 'Robert' Grandi

>>159144130
Still unable to say anything good about that game that you value more than your self-respect? Pathetic, really. You kids are all the same, yelling when people start pointing out how stupid you are.

>>159144213
You're really fast with these responses.

>>159144213
t. retard from gsg

>>159117840
Wiz said that he wants to improve ethics divergence but IIRC he still hasn't given a timetable yet.

I haven't followed him for a while, should see what he's saying.

>>159143919
He's an eternal anglo what do you think

Someone get a willyposter so the janny shows up

>>159144271
/gsg/ shitposting is an order of magnitude stronger.