/rlg/ - Roguelike General

How can first posting be real if haste is not real?

>>158629543
Haste is real. Haste during every encounter is not.

>>158629672
http://pastebin.com/eYbqwcRT

>>158629925
rip besthusbando pakellas

How would one design vaults for Demon?

Imagine something like enemies isolated by pits or cages and they smite your dudes or something.

Help me guys. I suffer from an Ancient Foul Arrelgean Curse. How do I win demon with a cunning demon and what kind?

>>158630972
Runed door with all the floor portals force spawned in the back?

>>158631409
Maybe that could work for special branches, or something. I think some weird challenges could add some fun to the game.

>>158630972
The way combat is balanced, vaults might end up being some kind of clusterfuck on the order of a DCSS rune vault
Isolated smiting enemies could be trivialized by just waiting for their SP to run out, then rushing past them, or just avoiding them all together. There'd have to be some kind of good reward too, maybe an essence, a card, or an offering. No equipment loot so that's out.

>>158631317
Get a ranged physical attack and stack on-hit debuff passives. Pick vodun mask pierce/pierce for needles and poison passive. Later on get infection, blood rot, flesh rot, crusader, bloodlust, whatever else as you find it. Use revelation several times on Artemis if you can catch her, she'll turn into a mega needle debuffer whose abilities you can copy over.

If you want pure debuff then just spam your debuff attacks like ACC/EV/OFF/DEF down and let your other demons do the work.

>You feel confused.

>>158631691
Demon's favor of party play does give it some limitations in regards to what may be typical in other roguelikes. I guess there can be little "bonus rooms" of varying challenges. I dunno. Maybe there could be a Sprint mode.

>>158631317
Stack on-hit passives, trying to get different types to cover all resistances. Like paralysis for body, charm for mind, mute for light, pariah for dark etc.

Make sure you capture the shouting ogre unique so that you can do meme shoudigns :--DD and affect entire enemy team with statuses without having a chance to miss.

>>158631691
I've never gotten Artemis successfully.

>>158632129
>>158631691
Can a demon even get good enough cunning to needler meme?

>>158632163
No, needles are needless.
You need both agility and cunning for needles to work.
Scream memes at them instead. Meme and bump. Meme and bump their huge guts.

>>158632163
>Can a demon even get good enough cunning to needler meme?
Yes. Artemis herself has been used for such a purpose and her cunning isn't even that impressive. There are likely several other demons with such potential that hasn't quite been recognized yet.

>>158632163
Sure, especially if you slap a cursed modifier on them

>>158632246
Oni are nice on-hit debuffers because they have +20% chance to stun paired with double impact. They're pretty beefy too

>>158632553
But the game's like, over by the time you get to oni

>>158632657
>not doing the jap vault on Tower:5 for a free oni

>>158632753
I'm back in 8.3.2016

So I like Demon, but only 8 ability slots and 6 demons feels so damn confining.

I would love to see something of a similar theme (many enemies are able to be made into allies, many enemy abilities are able to be transplanted to you and your allies) but with more slots, damage types and tinkering allowed.

>>158632995
pcb ring

>>158632975
I'm just memeing on you

>>158632995
PCB ring, Elona+ partymaster, Gearhead: Arena

Just ran into Midochan. He's the meme ogre right? What is so great about him? He has high strength and... not much else. In particular, not much Cunning, how do people expect him to inflict statuseseses?

>>158633173
high str makes him durable and hit hard. Mighty roar gives him an AoE. I presume it's more of he kills the shit out of stuff and hey if a 20% for venomous, or infection land there's then another 20% for flesh and blood rot to debuff. Later you give him double impact for double the flavor of love.

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>tfw i'm an archer so i wont be able to take advantage of it

>>158629272
DEMON FERRET MAN

HALO IS NOT SELF AREA. IT'S A POINT-BLANK AoE
AGONY IS A SELF AREA

RETURN THE SHECKLES TO MY RELIC FOUL DEMON FERRET MAN

>>158633173
He isn't amazing himself, but meme scream is a great thing to put on a high-cunning, high-strength status applier.
It never misses, stuns often, uses a type that isn't resisted often and hits relatively hard.
You can literally hit a whole encounter for 50% damage and also apply up to 3 statuses per critter. That is, if you have a ton of strength to pull it off.

>>158632995

Elona+

>>158629543

Good riddance for scummy bloat. Next update should be making ?recharge rarer to have less scumming

I'm a needler.

I have level 12 Artemis, level 12 Cththonian Vikhor, level 11 Headless, level 12 Midochan, a level 12 Profane Chaos I recruited (has healing, light, and dark abilities, plus its body based drain life spell), and a Holy and a Fiery Kitsune, both level 16.

I'm gonna have to let somebody go and I'm not sure who.

I know that the higher level you get a creature, the higher level it can go (about 10ish before it starts dragging down).

I hate this part. What do? I'm thinking maybe fusioning Artemis onto Midochan; because I'm a needler, I'm thinking I need to keep her modifier around as long as possible, so I get more rolls of stuff that could enhance my attacks.

Although Vikhor is still plenty good, giving his snek template to Midochan may also work.

Thoughts?

>>158634056
Also, Jesus Fucking Christ so many physical uniques.

Headless is the one I want to get rid of the most because of how clunky he is, but his modifier is extremely fucking cool. I'd like to give him a body with a head.

>>158634056
>because I'm a needler, I'm thinking I need to keep her modifier around as long as possible
Nah

There will be plenty of better on-hit passives along the way.

Mido kun has less bad resistances than artememis and can tank pretty OK.

That headless looks pretty old. Give the old man a rest.

>>158629272
Never tried a robin game until today. Logged in on the CAO server and rolled double random. Rather unsuprisingly, it's a Kobold Chiller, and first altar was Makhleb. Hit D:3 and encountered Purgy right next to me on the upstairs. Between Freeze, and berserk rage potion + dagger of freezing, I have myself a lovely set of troll leather armor. Thinking of going spellblade rogue route now. The build practically begs for it. Have a dagger of freezing in reserve, too, because why not?

Cut each Hell from seven floors to four

The four Hells each have six floors empty of loot, with unique layoutsmeant to establish the branch themes and denizens while regularly raining down unique direct effects onto the player to emphasize the somewhat unique dynamic of encouraged diving. While any sort of monster can slow down players to support any numbers of effects, both lists are weighted towards and filled with very ignorable results for people venturing into an extended branch, and the repeated redundant lengths of each branch betrays a reliance on randomization and patience more than sustainably mean results (outside of the end floor monster distributions, of course). This is unideal for postgame challenges, and exacerbates the redundant length of extended.

As a result, this cuts the floors of each Hell from seven floors to four, which should still promote some diving but not all. Oncoming commits will use this somewhat shorter Hell context to rescale and revise both monster sets and hell effects, for branch identity strengthening and to bring a sense of consistent brutality to the arrangements.

>>158634851

To accomodate and concentrate spawns across the new four floors, standardize a lot of obscure and arbitrary inconsistencies between the sets, and introduce both some actual floor scaling and an OOD table.


Highlights:
* No more necrophages, phantoms, or mummies in any of the sets. Still lots of other chaff, but these three didn't even have much thematic placement or bands to them.

* All hells now have soul eaters, slim chances for liches and even slimmer chances for at least one classed vampire. There's also a very slim chance in all sets (rather than just two of them) to place the 1 of the other paired hell between Dis/Geh and Tar/Coc.

* Zombies, skeletons, 5s, and 4s are less overwhelmingly common in all
hells. Reapers, select elemental representatives, soul eaters, and
stronger undead are a fair bit more common, especially hell knights
in Gehenna and blizzard demons in Cocytus.

* Tartarus now has a fair deal of hellwings (to correspond with the other demons in the other hells), a few revenants and jiangshi, a larger load of soul eaters, and a good deal more hellions / tormentors / shadow demons than before.

* A general shuffling of undead and lower-tier demons to make some spawn more or less per-Hell, which should help marginally distinguish the sets further beyond their most common demons / elemental representatives.

The Vestibule also has some adjustments- more cross-Hells representation, a handful of actual undead, and less 2s mostly unique to Pan. It's a slight loss of the chance to see lorocyprocas / cacodemons / green deaths in a three-rune game (...doing Vestibule for experience), but seperating the two demon hordesis just as important. Altogether, this should strengthen the identity of the Hells in their floor sets- undead + demons + elements doesn't have to solely mean a unique enemy per-branch, tons of derived undead and weakling demons, plus a branch end full of 1s.

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>>158633491
what is the difference between self area and pbaoe

>>158635070
Agony hits everything on the screen, PBAoE is just the adjacent 8 squares.

Self area should be renamed in view

>>158634732
Still on D:3, but now level 6, thanks to further encounters with both Jessica and Sigmund. Sigmund was wearing a robe of cold resistance and a scythe of freezing. My response was to quaff brilliance and lignification, and alternatively freeze him anyway and smack the shit out of him. Seems a good place to hand off the game if anyone wants to take the reigns. Otherwise, I'll try reporting again when something interesting happens.

>>158635148
both of them affect an aoe around yourself, just with different-radius AOEs

the spell description shows range/aoe in the most recent version

>>158635149
Ahem. 'Reins', not 'reigns'. My bad. At any rate, found an amulet of magic regen, so that's neat. Between it and the troll leather, I have high hopes for this character. And you'd all best believe I have a block of wood ready. I don't usually play stabby types, though I know the song and dance.

>>158635302
Ah, I'm in older so I blew 670 credits when I couldn't afford it getting muh light

Why do you guys hate ToME and ADoM? Is it because you have to pay to play them and you guys are poor

>>158635493

Both are roguelites

>>158635535
adom isnt a roguelite wtf is wrong with you

>>158635493
I actually really enjoy ToME now and then. I never play anything besides roguelike mode, though. I did actually donate once upon a time just to get access to exploration mode, but that got really boring -really- fast. DCSS and Cataclysm DDA are more my speed, though. The latter more so than the former.

Is crawl the best action roguelike?

>>158635493
you dont have to pay to play either though

i mean maidensnow eve doesn't even HAVE a free version and anons still play that one for free

>>158634851
>>158634995

We will always dive hell no matter how short it is or no matter how you spice up monster variety or try to make it harder to progress.

There is no issue with Hell depth, nor its mob compositions. If you really think that adding more tier 2s 3s as a result of reshuffling in Hell would help improve Extended or influence how players approach it, that's just naive. Do not add more bloat.

>>158634851
>>158634995
What is going on, those sound like good changes
Are they fake?

>>158635768
dark souls

>>158635835
Cant dive when you get surrounded by fiends all the time instead of a horde of skeletons

>>158635924

It is extended, an extended char is expected to have everything or almost everything to deal with anything. This will only influence (??) speedrunners at best but even then, it still wouldn't matter.

>>158635435
D:5 and level 8. Picked up a +4 ring of dexterity and played mutation roulette with a sky beast corpse. Picked up blurry vision 1, deterioration 1, and Int +2. I'm willing to live with the negatives for now. Have to live with them, because I quaff ID'd a potion of cure mutation early on. But the game goes on.

>>158635493
>Why do you guys hate

We don't, RETARD. Making fun of the derpier elements isn't hatred (remember to kill an assassin for your first kill and never kill cats etc).

Do you think people making fun of Actaeon hate Demon?

>have to pay to play them

what

The closest I come to hatred is the DCSS devteam because its a game I used to love and now most the news is about how they just cut out something else that brought me joy in the past.

>wielding a crossbow with +1.5 shots but -6 con for most of the game because it's better damage than anything else
>finally get a crossbow with +1.0 shots and no con penalty, plus some gloves of the giant with +3 con
>go from 450 to 700 max hp
hory shet

>>158635535
They're both roguelikes, just terrible ones.

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What's the max damage for dispel undead? I didn't know that it's actually capable of this much damage

>>158637072
3d32

>>158636286
D:6. Managed to pick up a pair of cure mutation potions. To my relief, both deterioration and blurry vision were cured, and the improved intelligence was left alone. Had a point of strength rotted because I was dumb and forgot to swap back to my troll leather from the robe of cold resist before heading downstairs. There's a travel-excluded minivault that drops clouds of cold on D:5. Ultimately decided to leave it alone because the loot at the end seems like crap. Arrows and such. At any rate, that one point was quickly restored and that was that. Ecumenical Temple is on this level, and it's corrupted. Pondering switching to Lugonu. Yea or nay?

(Also, should I be greentexting? I haven't been a lurker all that long, so I don't know.)

I wish there was some better stuff to stick on my feet in DDA in the close or cover slots. This thermal electric suit aint cutting it for this ice lab. Guess I have to throw out my armor for winter boots now.

>>158637430
Wool two pairs of electric thermals and a pair of winter boots with the climate control cbm. I've never heard of foot armor mttering outside of EP for rubble damage and acid protection.

>>158637430
Check the dorm rooms for wool socks. There's usually at least one pair, and fitted or not, they do make a difference. Of course, if you also manage to find an Internal Climate Control CBM, that would be ideal, but even that can need help in an ice lab. In the meantime, winter boots are probably the way to go, yeah. What were you wearing beforehand?

>>158637637
On my feet? Chitin.

>>158634851
>which should still promote some diving but not all
Based on what?
It does nothing to make diving worse or disencourage it, there's fuck all to do in hell until the last floor and nobody is going to go through 12 levels of nothing more than once.

>>158637430
You don't need good foot armor since foot hits are very rare.

>>158637914
Then, yeah. Winter boots, for all the reasons the other anon mentioned. Simple enough to stay out of acid, and the few initial points of damage are trivial to heal.

>>158637253

It's actually capable of 2 shotting me wtf

>>158638032
I mostly just wanted to keep encumbrance low when I could, really. Not a lot of choice in this situation though.

>>158638114
Fair enough. But again, it's pretty trivial. The only encumbrance you really need to worry about is torso and, possibly, mouth.

>slide downstairs as octopode
>orc zaps acid at me for 60% of my health
>zaps again on the way back up for the rest
I guess my fault would have been going fireball online straight away and not getting earlier dodging but it's still irritating

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>>158638050
Yeah but it's incredibly unlikely to do so

>>158637637
>>158637914
>>158638032
Use your tailor kit and wool your wool socks and spare set of your regular boots.You should get like 200 warmth from those then more with your wool'd thermal suit.

>>158638553

your fault was not killing the orc wielding /acid

>>158639463
I think my chances of killing it in one turn with fire tongue were lower than being zapped again

>>158639601

Fire tongue costs 1 turn to cast. Taking the stairs costs 2.5 tums to go up. Which is the safer one? The orc is not blocked by anything right?

>>158639782
it was an orc warrior 3 tiles away

>>158639831

>orc warrior
>wielding /acid

some runs are not meant to be

>>158639974
my thoughts exactly, it's just it was approaching an "unavoidable death" where the only mistake I'd made was a meta one

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https://youtu.be/qK9ifmQPS_c

This is my first full-lenght video. Can you give me some advice? Do you think you can help me to improve my English? I found out making youtube content about your hobby is good way to learn foreign language. And my hobby is retrogaming and indiegames :) So there it is. I do believe I can find some good and willing people here. Am I right?

Also, do you think doom-philosophy can fit in turn-based gameplay?

>>158640476
Pure kino m8

>>158640476
reminds me of dicks
english is good enough

Hell should have a wandering speed 10 Grim Reaper unique that you cannot kill permanently and could appear beside you as a hell effect. Would make it good if it follows you on every Hell floor you go.

>>158642597
That would just add another reason to dive

>>158642661

The moment hell effects were introduced, the pseudo requirement for a player to dive as fast as possible in Hell was already set in stone. That would never change unless they remove hell effects but if they do that, better change Hell's name to Pandemonium Training Center.

>>158643020
Hell effects dont even matter in regards to diving or not
The floors are fucking empty, there is no point in ever exploring them with or without helleffects

>>158642597
I miss the days when I ran into Boris all the time.

How would you even fix hell? Make many artifact generating loot vaults? Make it harder? Make it shorter?

>>158645059
Hell is hard to fix, but I think it's better than Pan. If I were going to do some serious work on Postend, I would probably remove Pandemonium and combine some elements with Hell. Then work on another postgame branch that isn't all about demons and undead.

So dwarf priest is the easiest class to win with in Angband right?

>public works has like ten jackhammers
>want to dig
>illiterate
Is it possible to grind construction up to mining levels without using books?

>>158645228
Final hell floors are much better than pan rune vaults at least. Pan just feels like abyss+

>>158645309
Make tons of charcoal.

If you have z-levels on, you can blow up a hole in the ground.

>>158644387

>Hell effects dont even matter in regards to diving or not
>what is freexp

Just because all hell 1-6 floors have no vaults doesn't mean there's no point in staying there. It just happened to not be a place for grinding freexp because of hell effects in the same way that it is not a place too stay too long because of it also.

>>158645059

>Make it shorter?

How is cutting content a method for improving a feature?

>>158645309
I think so. At higher levels lower level crafts still give xp. You'll be making a lot of metal walls and shit though.

>>158646095
Ok hells are 50 levels now each

>>158646095
Removing non-unique levels from a branch is not cutting content. Removing a branch entirely would be.

>>158646727
Is there a way in Elona to not be tired after every 3 fucking cooking actions
Seriously goddamn

>>158646727

Hells should always be deep to be consistent with its definition. A 2 floors deep "Hell" is called a basement by the way.

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Poorfag here; are there any reasonable alternatives to The Binding of Isaac?

>>158647321
>>>/boig/
Also Hells should obviously be 6 floors deep.

>>158647351
You mean 9

>>158647406
6 6 6 6 is the number of the beast, anon.

>>158646947
Raise will con and probably strength. Reserve the regeneration spellbook and buy it out every time you go past.. Learn to love the rest key.

>>158647350
Yeah, Rogue
https://archive.org/details/msdos_Rogue_1983

>>158646947

Then raise your stamina

>>158647661
Well
it's at 36 right now, I guess I should

>>158647350
You can just pirate it

>>158647350
owh

>>158648106
Where can you download the latest version for free

>>158647321
How about a random number of levels, with no hard upper limit?
Maximum annoyance.

>>158647321
Basement is a heaven, or at least a haven.
Hell is other people.

What if you started on the lowest hell level and had to climb back out

How do we balance formicids now that haste is gone

Wait a second

Haste is gone?

>>158649356
rip in peace ;_;

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>>158647723
Get drain blood and give your whyfoo the Succ to regain stamina then use healing shit to make sure you don't kill her, training the spell/skill in the process
:3

>>158649356
The L6 charm haste is gone.

>>158637307
Okay, update time. Fell asleep, but not before hitting D:9, level 11. Found a really nice randart hat on D:6 that I forgot to mention. {rPois rF+rCorr SInv} It's saved me on several occasions now. Also picked up a +3 ring of intelligence and an amulet of faith. Have another un-ID'd amulet and ring, but ran out of scrolls of identity, so I'm holding off on wearing them for now. Picked up a set of steam dragon scales just because, but I'm still wearing the troll leather. I ran across a book of Flames, and I'm pondering whether I should memorize some of its spells now that the skill malus from opposing magic schools is gone. As far as uniques go, I met Pikel on D:8 and froze him to death. I killed a player ghost, then met Maurice and one-shotted him. That was pretty gratifying, though his loot was really subpar. Piety-wise, I'm now sitting at ***. The Orcish Mines are on this level, but I'm going to hit the Lair first.

>>158635768
DoomRL

>>158640476

>about your hobby is good way to learn foreign language
is a good way
Your English is fine so, unless you want a perfect accent for spying purposes, there's no need on learning. Even then, I find trying to improve things over necesity is cool so good luck with it. You'll improve.

>>158645268
>So dwarf priest is the easiest class to win with in Angband right?
Allegedly although their offense is not great

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this guy won't do business with me because I'm an Old One. What are some other examples of white privilege in roguelikes?

I am kinda new to playing dcss, just won my first game (5 rune run) as a DeFe. I know I can't see the damage I deal/damage I take (or its type), but I would like to be able to see spell damage rolls (I get fireball does damage in an area, but I want to see the max dice rolls themselves). Is there any way to enable this?

>>158655505
roguelikes are best when you don't know anything

>>158653287
>D:10, level 11.
>Immediately met Urug upon taking the downstairs.
>Backstabbed him, but needed a few Freezes to finish the job.
>Hit **** piety.
>Met Erica and backstabbed her.
>D:11.
>Played mutation roulette with sky beast chunks again.
>Lost clever 1. Gained repulsion field 1, antennae 1, thin bones 1, camouflage 1, and blurry vision 1.
>Lair 1, level 12
>Encountered first hydra. Had eight heads.
>Failed to backstab. Nearly eaten.
>Quaffed haste, cast Ozucubo's Armour, and dropped ice beasts between me and it.
>Delivered coup de grace with Throw Icicle.

>>158656173
>Lair 2, level 12.
>Shanked black mamba and hit ***** piety.
>Invocations still only at 5.
>Encountering basilisks semi-regularly now.
>Dealing with petrification by summoning ice beasts as soon as they stick the effect.
>Snake Pit is on this level. Will dive after clearing the rest of the floor.

How do I wield the dragonslayer

>>158657125
Still Lair 2, level 12. ID'd potion of XP! What do? Thinking of dumping all the points into Invocation. That would bring it up to 10.7 and go a long way toward letting me drop demons and Greater Destruction with impunity. I'm at the point now that I can easily cast all of the starting Ice spells, and I haven't found more advanced books yet.

>>158632995
poschengband possessor
it's where the "pos" comes from

>>158655475
hooray I got one shotted by a floating eye on the first turn that I saw it OWN FAULT

>>158655475
kek

Well PosChengband reforging service denies Rings and Death Swords, plus literally every race has a rating for how much shops overcharge you basically based on how close you are to being black. Demigod of Aphrodite? Decently reduced costs across the board for the rich white girl with powerful parents. Half-ogre? Good luck paying for phase door.

>>158657495
Screw it, going all in. My killdudes skills are nice and solid, as are my not dying skills. Will report back.

PCB is younger than DCSS but has like 500 times the features

>>158658567
DCSS is the benjamin button of roguelikes

>>158658567
But what about balance

>>158658749
>balance
>singleplayer game
PCB actually tries to balance species against each other unlike Crawl (see Minotaur vs Felid/Mummy)

>>158658567
PCB is descended from Angband as DCSS is descended from DC.

>>158658851
PCB would be almost better off it didn't
>pick some crazy combo
>amount of grinding increases by 9000%

>>158659053
At this point linleys game had more features than stone soup

>>158658565
Ah, hubris. Turns out that my skills weren't up to par after all. I expected a bunch of black mambas, mana vipers, etc. And a mana viper I got. I forgot about the nagas, though. Suffered an ignoble end on the points of their spears. That blurry vision came and bit me in the ass. Well, that's that character gone. I enjoyed playing a style well outside my norm, though. Usually I go Transmutation or Fire Mage.

>>158659459
>I forgot about the nagas, though.
>forgot about nagas
>in the snake pit

:thinking:

>>158659207
Sounds unlikely.

>>158660461
>Traps&Doors
>Item Destruction
>Item Weight
>etc

The problem with crawl development is the regressive nature of the core philosophy.
Each update has less and less content because of the "less is more" concept and the appeal to the speedrunners and 3-rune tavernposters (a vocal minority). The devs are too focused on controlling every single aspect of the game.
I'm surprised at the lack of a korean crawl desu. I heard that they are very angry about some removals and the overall lack of updates to the extended game.

>>158660337
Well, what can I say? Clearly I wasn't thinking, but eh. Had fun anyway. Not like I was instantly struck dead, either. Between Greater Destruction, Throw Icicle, and Summon Ice Beast, I put up a decent fight. Even shanked a few. It just wasn't enough. I'll be going back to my CDDA game for a while, but if anyone else wants to roll a character on rlgrobin, the door's open.

>>158660626
TRAPS
AND
DOORS
BEST
SHIT
EVER
Dont forget shadow traps and arrow/(bolt traps rip infinite ammo

Man, when I first started going down the mutagen path it was very exciting but it quickly becomes tiresome if you want to purify away mutations you don't like, especially if they're positive. Guess I'm just going to have to learn to live with the furry plate. Was really hoping I could go full spider but with Phelloderm skin but oh well. 8/8 armor is shit for 10 encumbrance, especially since it apparently means I can't wear helmets at all. Glad I didn't take glass jaw on this character for once.

>>158654906
Thank you so much. It's great boost :)

>>158660626
Based solely on UI and ease of use features, Linley's would be left behind. The delta of actual amount of content in the game is around 0.

>>158662795
>The delta of actual amount of content in the game is around 0.
I'm sure you've conducted extensive research to reach this objective conclusion and aren't just talking out of your asshole.

>>158662985
And I'm sure you have done the same to reach your conclusion that this is not the case.

im sure that both of you are autists arguing over a pointless alphabet game

not even a good one, either

>>158645268
easiest easiest is probably like halftroll warrior; just embrace the otab

maybe dorf priest is stronger if you already know what you're doing

>>158646947
you have a stamina meter that depletes, although i think it's not actually visible if you're not in E+
rest using R like 2-3 times after you become tired to get it close to full. it regenerates much faster when resting than when doing other shit

>>158661750
I've been pretty curious about the spider path, myself. Been pondering pursuing it, but I keep going either medical or alpha, with cat appendages for kicks because lab start. As for the part about furred plate, what's your play style? Are you mobile or have you established a base? If you're mobile, well, many problems can be solved by a ton or so of rolling steel to the face.

>>158655505
dcss hates the player and doesn't show them any numbers ever

to see how much damage a spell can do or how hard a monster can hit you have to check the wiki and/or learndb

>>158663951
Well the pasta says to use half-troll warrior to learn the game when you start playing it, but then switch to dwarf priest.

It's been almost a year since I've played Angband, and I forgot a lot of things, so maybe I should have picked half-troll warrior, but I've already made a character, so I'll stick with it until I die.

>>158659178
ive started just going human over demigod 99% of the time for my own sanity

except for really shitty starts like hex high-mage that need the zeus aura to carry them

>>158661162
>the appeal to the speedrunners
But they do everything to stop speedrunning
see cTele removal, evocable ring of teleport etc

>>158664168
I'm pretty deeply entrenched in an LMOE and take long trips out in my truck. Prefer fighting with my zweihander and heavy armor with several backup weapons if it gets too dangerous. Probably going to stick more to range for now, at least until I get multiple aux attacks online. I just really don't want to have to sort through my pile o' guns n' ammo.

Medical and Alpha do seem like much safer and easier choices, though Alpha's pretty damn expensive. Definitely going to try out post-threshold Alpha next time

>>158664368
If you want another silly hex gimmick, try ares demigod. Hexes you've already got up stay up when you go berserk.

Level 1 needs some luck, though.

>>158664656
Good deal. Do you make use of z slaves at all? That might be a solution to the no helmets issue. Enough meat between you and any nasty range threats can go a long way toward neutralizing those threats.

>>158665023
What are zombie slaves? The tailoring kit asks me if I want to make one but I have no idea what situation needs to happen for that to be available.

When should one stop using searing ray

>>158666043
Think Walking Dead. You render them harmless after putting them down and then let them revive. Mostly, they're meat shields, but pretty sure they can tote stuff for you. Oh, and you take a morale hit if you're not a psychopath, because leading armless, jawless corpses around is not a 'normal person' thing, apparently.

>>158666657
You take a morale hit upon making the slave, or you take a constant morale penalty for them being around?

>>158666718
Making them.

>>158664656
Medical, Alpha, and Elf-a are all decent choices and relatively safe (Elf-a somewhat less so.) Chimera isn't bad if you have big food stockpiles.

Everything else ranges from okay to terrible. Bird is probably one of the worst, in my opinion, because it likes to give you brittle bones that ruin your ability to carry gear. Being stinky or sleepy or what have you isn't the end of the world, no carry weight is hell.

>>158666402
>stand in corridor so things can't move out it
>cast spell
>press . until win

>>158667097
whoops i misread that as
>When should one use searing ray

Do you use the dildon'ts mod?

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>no extra shots
why is the artifact WORSE than the ego named after it

although it's actually a nice stat-stick for non-archers

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I'll be back to eurobeat intensify all over this herd soon.

But right now, I've got a trunk full of onaholes and playboys to get back to the refugee center.

>>158667585
>tricked into looting a tenga but it's only a one-time use

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>>158667686
>>158667585
>garfield kart

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Tum

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I've been away for some time from roguelikes, what do you guys play?
kinda sick of dcss, tome didn't provide much value - fun at the beginning, gets repetitive after a while

>>158667418
I should.

>>158669563
ADOM

>>158669563
Infra Arcana

Hey the only roguelike I've really tried is stone soup. I hated the whole god bullshit with it though. What roguelike is more just about stacking stats and vanilla whack shit combat?

>>158669563
Demon
>>158669442
Tbh that looks more weird than arousing.

>>158670382
Any *band

>>158670382
> I hated the whole god bullshit with it though
That's like one of the best parts about the game though

>tfw zombie was carrying aluminium keg
Maaan, I would loot more than entire 3 toilets if I could carry more weight. Herbal tea, anyone?

>>158671149
The goal is to have your own zombie frat house carrying assorted jerrypacks full of clean water, gasoline, diesel, and alcohol.

>>158671034
People can like different things. People think the mobility of combat in League of Legends and the frequency of the teamfights are good things but I feel like they detract from the strategic integrity of the game, trading FAST AND FUN for games that are predictable because they're more strategically structured. The god stuff would definitely be fun for some people, I just don't like it that much.

>>158646947
Or you know, go kumiromi and hold down the wait button to regen 1 sp/turn. (R)esting is much slower for stamina regen with kumi

>>158669563
CoQ is always fun and for me the most immersive roguelike. The world feels actually fleshed out and not just randomly generated.

>>158671034
Honestly, god bullshit is the only reason I keep playing this fucking game.

>>158669563
play poschengband or youre not a real rlgposter

>>158671559
can you win CoQ? nobody will ever give me a straight answer

>>158648751
I actually like this idea
Also hide the stairs up behind a ton of shit and a ton of traps
Make hell effects much much much more common the higher up you are and make them more dangerous (like teleporting you back to the bottom, paralyzing/petrifying you for extended durations, setting your hp and mp to 1, deaths door on yourself + tier 1 demons and demonspawn with sap magic and strip resistance filling the entire screen around you, item destruction (any item, not just consumables), ) because all of you tryhard faggots think hell effects are trivial. Also if you escape a floor too fast (real time, turn count, hasted), you get sent to the bottom again. If you take to long, you get sent to the bottom again
>crawl is easy

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>>158667769
who can stop this absolute madman

>>158672181
you can beat the current questline but the game isn't finished

idk if the game gives you a "contragulation u win" screen or not because i'm too much of a shitter and my best character died at the bottom of bethesda

>>158659178
>>pick some crazy combo
>>amount of grinding increases by 9000%
Old Ones in Steamband have constant XP drain, as in, you lose XP by just standing around. Plus like 200% xp penalty I think.

>>158672621
that's amazing

i remember seeing some post on the oook.cz ladder of a player who equipped a permanently cursed ring with drain-xp and was stuck at level 1 forever

>>158672468
iirc it gives you a message that you've finished the questline and lets you freeplay afterwards.

>>158672468
>>158672795
That's what Angband does when you kill M so maybe people should stop giving CoQ shit about being "unfinished"

>>158673216
well the devs actually do have plans to add further quests later i think

they eventually want to have multiple mutually-exclusive questlines from the different factions too

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a while ago the dev posted stats and only 85 characters had "won"/beat the final quest in the past year

number's probably bigger now since there's more players

>>158672181
You have to pay 5 bucks to unlock the ending DLC

>>158655475
The good gods in Crawl do not accept worship from the likes of you.

>>158671829
played it, too grindy
>>158670076
>>158670262
>>158671559
>>158670415
will check, thx
>Demon
never heard that one, interesting

>>158673814
demon isnt a roguelike it's a "pokey man" game that happens to have permadeath

>>158673581
those are deaths not wins

>>158673814
demon is a roguelike with permadeath that happens to have a pokemon minigame attached

>>158669563
C:DDA, MaiDenSnow and DF adv mode.
I also tried the ancient version of DCSS that's up on CDO. It really feels like a different game. Not necessarily better, but very, very different.

>>158674765
Is MaiDenSnow actually a good game?

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Demigod[Hades] Paladin of Life. Goal is to use Hades' 108% liferating (all other demigods get only 100%) and take Fleet of Foot for sprigganmove and Sacred Vitality for +20% healing from all sources.

That or die too early of course. Wouldn't want to rule out any options, after all.

>>158674107
it's the funnel of death

there are 28,000 people who beat the first quest but died before the final one

>>158675213
>+20% healing
does that even matter
dont you get a 5000-power heal

i could imagine taking sacred vitality with nature...

also i dont think fleet of foot is super important for pcb when you can just dig holes and wait around corners

sprigganmove is mostly OP for the "literally walk away" meme but in pcb you can use shit like teleport/phasedoor/destruction/telelevel instead. by the time you're level 20 you aren't gonna be using your feet to escape from bad situations unless you're a berserker

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I'm still doing it guys

I hope I can be done adding basic ass systems in soon so I can actaully do cool stuff.
Has anyone on /rlg/ actually gone through with making their own roguelike yet?

>>158675525
quick_walk is more for closing than for running away on a paladin. It's very strong on any character though.

sacred vitality might be overkill, but it works with the lower healing spells too which are not going to have as many fail rate problems, even later in the game. It also works with lifedrain weapons, which are already quite good. The 5000 heal was nerfed a lot, but it's still huge, but yeah sacred is more for the regular healing spell and vampirism

>>158675596
>Has anyone on /rlg/ actually gone through with making their own roguelike yet?
Sometimes people who made their own roguelikes come on here

>>158675596
what program are you using? I've been working on an RPG using just the C# standard .Net library but it doesn't have any graphics or anything. The method of movement/combat is closer to old newgrounds dating sims like Galaxy Angel than a roguelike. I wouldnt mind trying a different library. ncurses looked super confusing last time I used it though.

>>158676683
i'm using python libtcod
it's nice and easy, has a big tutorial(available in multiple languages) to start off, even for a relative newbie to programming such as me and good documentation

i've been told it sucks but the one who told me that didn't mention any specifics of why

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holy shit that's a lot of mean dudes

good thing i have a < button

>>158675158
I would say yes. The gameplay is actually pretty solid, under the smut.

I always kill izchak out of principle. Nobody tells me what to do.

>you can play an easterling in FAangband
good shit. Easterlings are pretty cool in the movies and the Loke in third age total war are pretty gud.

>>158677756
And that's fine

>>158677948
>Easterlings
Traitor scum.

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>>158672468
That's what you get forn not preordering Fallout 4, buddy.

What do I have to wear in order to not need to wield an umbrella in the sun as an albino?

Just have 100% coverage everywhere? Or does it need to be 100% environmental 2 or something?

>>158678110
If the sun is so harmful to you should probably just stay in your house and play roguelikes while eating vitamin D.

>>158678084
Fuck you Todd, your game is only good with mods, and even then it's only average

>>158678084
Todd is just so handsome.

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>>158678253
You're so god damn funny.

>>158678323
I know m8.

>>158678253
Being able to play Rogue in Cataclysm would be pretty cool actually

Speaking of Easterlings, how about a Blue Wizard Roguelike? I know it's mentioned that the Blue Wizards went westward and never returned, but their actions messed up Sauron's servants in the far far west and only a small faction of them was able to make it to help Sauron in the east. It could be like Sil except instead of mostly melee its mostly magic.

>>158677948
why are easterlings always depicted as evil
it's fucking bullshit

>>158678323
>people having fun the wrong way are making me stop liking what i like
this never fails to be retarded

>>158678110
Looks like you need an umbrella and sunglasses.

I think at least one martial art works with umbrellas, could be a good silly character.

>>158678648
>why are easterlings always depicted as evil
Because they're descended from a tribe that joined the Edain and Noldor but then betrayed them to Morgoth and the third age ones worship Sauron.

>>158678501
It comes with expanded sets for classic roguelike classes like knight, wizard, and rogue. It also have castable necromancy and arcane magic if that's what you're into.

>>158678689
Picture was unrelated, but the point is that as a hobby grows, it stops being about the hobby and more about social stuff. Look at Justin.TV, twitch, and what twitch is now. Justin was like periscope but it could never get much of a following. Twitch was made, gaming content only. It exploded. Now twitch is shoehorning general garbage into it to expand the market. Cooking, music, 'social streams'. I don't fault twitch for this, just a good example of what the image illustrates.

>>158679114
Yea, I wear sunglasses and a telescopic umbrella already. I was hoping though I could put on some rain coat+jumpsuit+tactical gloves+boots etc to occlude all my skin from the sun. Having to constantly wield the umbrella when I'm working on the car is just getting annoying.

>>158678323
Why don't the blacks just continue playing with themselves, no one's forcing them to play with green, brown, pink, and red. Also this is actually happening with roguelikes as we speak, SJWs already invaded C:DDA and DCSS, while Amy constantly posts for attention on /rlg/. Soon the dude bros will reverse-shit on turncount posters and it'll be a crazy clusterfuck of shitposting

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/18943

nerd fight

>>158679749
speedruns are dumb though, and turncountposters are bad

Do Crawl devs ever post their reasoning for changes? Half of them seem completely chosen at random

>>158679612
>Picture was unrelated, but the point is that as a hobby grows, it stops being about the hobby and more about social stuff.
This is patently wrong and you should feel insulted for being so easily persuaded by a picture. Nothing is stopping you from doing what you want, you can just privately play with the other black stick figure. If your "hobby" is so insubstantial that it breaks down due to increase in popularity then wasn't real to begin with.

>>158678545
Eastward.

And what would the gameplay be like? They were good musicians and speakers, we know that much, and Tolkien in his notes about versions where they didn't go corrupt says they encouraged rebellions against Sauron and lead armies, so it feels more like a Grand Strategy game than a roguelike.

>>158679905
yea they're a bunch of tryhard faggots lol

>>158677134
wow good
love how habu and brand are both below the temp champ

i hope you don't fail your chance to evoke feet

>>158680012
It's a cycle, not a path.

>crawl is made
>more devs join
>new devs out number old devs
>new devs now decide the direction
>your favorite species is now removed

>old devs start different project

It's actually a criticism of democracy and human behavior in general and less specific to hobbies as it appears.

>>158680215
i pressed < and only one of the death knights followed me

what the fuck was with that entrance vault though

>>158679759
That last bit makes it sound like it's basically halving all ranged accuracy.

>>158680062
tryharding about conducts or something: sure that's cool, post your vampire convict or your lazy snotling or only-huo-sho run or whatever
tryharding about speedruns in a turn-based game: incredibly stupid

>>158679759
Maybe coolthulhu can chase the other devs out and we'll finally have good changes.

>>158680370
pcb things

>>158680513
Need a bouncer edit.

>>158679612
>Having to constantly wield the umbrella when I'm working on the car is just getting annoying.
Can't you just work on the car at night, or install of couple of roof tiles wherever you need them to block the sun?

>>158680602
>Maybe coolthulhu can chase the other devs out and we'll finally have good changes.

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/18950

So this.....is the power....of Coolthulu.....woah.............

>>158676950
I think I remember doing that tutorial and thinking that it was retarded noticing several instances of bad coding and thinking the guy who wrote it was straight retarded. Don't remember what made me think that though. Maybe that was for something else i was doing at the time.

>>158680751
Yeah that thing is a terrible idea.

>>158680341
There's nothing preventing you from playing older versions of dungeon crawl, so the democratic government analogy doesn't even work, moreover that's not even remotely what the picture is about, you're trying to fit a square into a triangle at this point. This picture is just oldfags complaining about the degeneration of board culture, while not realizing that they're the chads in the first place because they only care about the social part of their "hobby".

>>158680747
I pop a bunch of caffeine, adderal, and whatever wigging drugs I can and then work for days straight. I want my character to be as autistic and obsessive as I am about him being autistic and obsessive.

>>158680845
The promise of extra features and development along lines he enjoyed is removed, causing the niche he's been shoved into to stagnate.

>>158680845
>Oh god, metaphors aren't perfect.
Shut up, already. For fucks sake.

>>158681035
Whiner

>>158680845
Argumentative faggot

>tfw I am better than both of you

>>158680845
Not to imply that anon's entire argument isn't stupid but in most contexts "Just play the older version" is kind of weak. Most people expect or appreciate some level of development and undoing a change they don't like often means undoing other changes they do like. Which is a decision they can make for themselves of course and it's a bit 'beggars can't be choosers
but it still doesn't really address their problem.

>>158679612
>It comes with expanded sets for classic roguelike classes like knight, wizard, and rogue. It also have castable necromancy and arcane magic if that's what you're into.

Wait what

>>158680968
Games that need a constant flow of features and addition to survive are trash, and in the first place why would you care if the game's community "stagnates"?

>>158681035
>3 INT shitposter can't into analogies
Retard.

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I'm burnt out on MuMo. I think I might actually be done for good.

So! Here's a sexy nightmare mode yeek with CRAZY stats.
She's gonna need them. I splatted her like ten times already.

>>158681276
World gen mods. DDA's big thing is allowing people to make mods they plug in or turn off at world gen.

>>158680751
Hopefully it kills a bunch of players and they'll have to address how the current options to deal with gun-wielding monsters are pretty much all cheese.

>>158681298
Do you never play forks and branches then? Pretty much nothing but the original games are actually complete.

>>158680845
there is something preventing future progress in the direction the originals like: the new people. that is the source of the complaint

>>158678545
PCB has a blue mage class. It kinda sucks though.

>>158681298
>why would you care if a community stagnates?
Because I don't want to play poker against my brother for 50 years, faggot.

>>158681276
that shit's in mods

the roguelike class mod lets you start as a "sorceror" who has bionics for lasers and lightning bolts and shit, an alchohol-to-power converter, and a bunch of potions of manabooze

>>158681406
Isn't the only way to survive them, barring some kind of cover you can use, just to have Uncanny Dodge on and hope for the best?

>>158681298
>Games that need a constant flow of features and addition to survive are trash
all games need this, they get boring eventually otherwise

>>158681510
that's a FF blue mage "learn spells from enemy dudes" class not a LOTR blue wizard which is some kind of divine angel magicky dude created by the gods

http://cdda.estilofusion.com/books/fun

What's the best fun/minute book?

>>158681608
looks like the plan is for them to zap you once with their deathray as a warning shot
better not pick glass jaw or have low STR or walk around at half hp or you gonna instadie to an armor-ignoring 50 damage space laser

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>>158681705
Huh. Well, you learn something every day.

>>158681498
I play forks but I don't develop expectations about development and don't feel disappointment when they aren't met.

>>158681508
If new people influence the developer in a bad way that's a shame but it only means the developer has no vision or interest in the game in the first place.

>>158681858
So the plan is to take instant unavoidable damage? That's not a good gameplay feature, it's like acid but worse.

>>158681719
"To serve man" as a cannibal. You also get it right from the start. With optimist and fast reader you get +95 morale in 10 minutes.

>>158681647
You play shit games.

>>158682023
>t. chess turboautist

>>158681876
Just because you have low standards doesn't mean you should expect that from everyone.

>>158681876
>If new people influence the developer in a bad way that's a shame but it only means the developer has no vision or interest in the game in the first place.
this only applies if said community is focused around a singular object created by a singular person (example: dwarf fortress) which is almost never the case

Will you guys stop with the first grade insult throwing and play roguelikes already

>>158682065
Lack of entitlement isn't low expectations. Besides, it's not even about expectations, if a "promise" of a future something is cancelled I don't see it as something being taken away, and trying to frame it in such a way is just an exercise in mental gymnastics.

>>158682202
how about i play your mom

>>158682287
>Entitlement
Am I on /v/? This is that same "You can't expect quality videogames, that's ENTITLED!" bullshit you hear from those braindead kids.

i hate to admit it but
i'm so rusty with elona+ that i can't even locate a bed

good christ

>>158681608
Probably.

They have night vision so your own night vision and flashlight exploits don't work.
They aren't robots so you can't poke them to death with a control laptop through the walls.
They have ludicrous amounts of ammo so the reviving zombie trick doesn't work.

I guess, open the door, get face blasted off, chuck in some dynamite or whatever, close door would work, but only because throwing an explosive isn't considered hostile.

>>158682182
It applies to all forms of development. Even in the case of dcss, there's nothing preventing any member of the devil's team from branching off if they don't like the direction the game is taking (at the cost of no longer being able to call his branch "stone soup")

>>158680003
No fun allowed.

>>158682473
No, it means that lack of entitlement isn't low expectations. I'm sorry your brain can't read sentences to decipher meaning like a normal person but I don't feel like treading around your trigger words just because they might set off your /v/ ptsd.

>>158640476
Doom the Roguelike doesn't play very much at all like Doom. You have to stop moving to shoot, and success very often hinges on... scouting with a shotgun, that is to say, firing buckshot into the darkness and then waiting to see if someone yells in pain, then "sniping" into the darkness from a safe distance.

>>158681342
>I'm burnt out on MuMo. I think I might actually be done for good.
fucking finally

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>>158683178
You strike great sadness into my heart.
And with it, in the heart of the general.
Shame on you.

Sup /rlg/

I've been playing Nethack on my iPod touch for a while, but the only version I've seen on the app store is a buggy piece of shit and I'm tired of it.

I downloaded the Windows version for play on my PC, but the staggering number of commands is difficult to memorize. Is the a mod/build/patch/frontend/whatever for vanilla Nethack that has the most frequently used commands as clickable buttons?

>>158683345
just play with the keybind chart open in a separate window, it'll feel natural in a couple of hours and you'll be able to play much faster

>>158683345
DCSS
it's nethack for retards
like you

>>158683345
how do people even play mobile roguelikes
trying to fit that many commands onto a small touchscreen is a miserable experience, and I don't think i've seen a single one with good controls

>>158683345
Wow you're really dumb

>>158683345
I think you need to leave.

>>158683345
create a deck of nethack flashcards and go through them twice a day. this is how the pros get their start

>>158681342
>Monk
I see you're still into fisting.

>>158682536
Won't help you when the Mi-Go spawns out in the open, though.

>>158658670
underrated, this is a game I've played and known more than half my life, longer than I've known my wife

every day it dies more at the hands of people that despise everything about it, and the literal reason why is... the devs live in an echo chamber filled with maximum strength autismos who play every game in the most perfect and optimized fashion imaginable no longer how tedious.

And they can't NOT do whatever is optimal, they MUST abuse every tiny advantage, no matter how tedious.

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>>158683820
She's more like a nun of free love, but yeah. The fist never really leaves. I'm in too deep.

>>158664580
you have it backwards anon, the speedrunners have the overriding philosophy of THIS GROUND IS TOO SOFT, they must eke out EVERY advantage possible and

AND

they then beg the devs to protect them from their own autism

>>158658670
kek

>>158684150
the problem isn't the focus on the "hypothetical optimal player" or the design docs (both of which i wish more games cared about), it's that half of the recent devs are terrible and need their commit access revoked

>>158664656
NO DONT USE ALPHA ALPHA IS GAY POST THRESH

If you ever remove the post thresh alpha mutations your stats become CRIPPLED FOREVER.

so either resolve to NEVER gain another mutation even if something mutates you like a flaming eye or don't do it

>you attack the horse. You punch. You butt.

So how feasible is it to kill Morgoth in Sil? I want muh silmaril but I also want muh vengance.

>find a volcano
>well I don't have fire resist but whatever
>level keeps surrounding me with fire, even when I'm flying over water

is there any way to avoid this or is this just a cheap way to force you to have fire resist?

>>158667418
nah, its too opinionated

I thought it was just about dildo and fursuit removal, nooooooope

>>158684679
volcano and ice cave are supposed to be difficult without the resist but give it to you after the end

early portals don't expect you to have the resist, later ones do (like the ice fiend cave)

>>158683462

That works too. Is there a way to break it out in to a separate window, or am I going to need to use a browser window looking at the wiki?

>>158684807
well I don't know how I'd get to the end without fire resist, because it was blasting me with fire every 5 turns or so

I just got the fuck out of there

>>158684679
You wouldn't enter a volcano in real life without a ring of fire resistance, would you?

>>158684879
the latter

>>158684150
>live in an echo chamber filled with maximum strength autismos
So you're saying we have a lot in common with them?

>>158684892
either your dude can handle it or it can't, threat detection + knowing when to bail on risky stuff is 95% of the game

>>158684406
i don't see a problem with this, "make the game less scummy and chnage the unfun parts" is a valid thing to ask

>>158685081
I can't possibly think of anything /rlg/ is echo chambery about, there's even people who think non turnbased games that you pay for are roguelikes here, and there's even guys who prefer A FUCKING STAG to Artemis

>>158684931
Depends. Does fire resist apply to magma?

>>158685094
so there's no way to avoid the fire?

>>158685389
eat the damage, walk/translocate around it, or leave

>>158685227
unfun from the perspective of people who play the game perfectly every time which is of no interest or relevance to me

>>158685785
>not playing the game perfectly every time
do you not have the power

>>158685785
>games should cater to bad players

>>158685372
Sure, what do you think bolt of magma is?

It reduces the damage you take by 50%. Two rings reduce it by 66%.

>>158685865

That's indeed the problem, that the devs are catering to bad players and coddling them.

just create challenge modes that let you ban stuff privately so that you don't have to whine about how the bouquet spell makes you feel compelled to hunt down every arrow in the game to turn into a flower and eat for a tiny decrease in hunger

>>158683345
>I've been playing Nethack on my iPod touch for a while
This shit is straight from the land of memes

>>158686691
>not casting banquet on every arrow you find so you could exercise your transmigrations skill and increase the power of your evaporate
lmao

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I feel like we should update the mobile roguelikes section a tidbit.

>>158688094
Update it yourself and post a new pastebin link.

>>158688291
Will do. Anyone else play anything good that isn't in there?

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>>158680751
You know something is wrong with the dev team when not a single one objects to OP insta-kill enemies.

You don't fucking introduce threats into your game that the character has no way of dealing with like this. 'Run away' is only supposed to be until you're strong enough to actually fight against the enemy. Yet with unavoidable damage that's never the case, you never get to a point where you can exceed the 'challenge'.

>>158688606
I played with your mom's pussy last night, m8.

>>158689002
>'Run away' is only supposed to be until you're strong enough to actually fight against the enemy.
Says who?

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>>158689021
rlg is just full of funny fuckers.

>>158689002
so is he still coolthulu or not

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>>158689149

>>158689124
Says everyone, Coolthulhu. You're supposed to be able to, you know, move around in the lab and not be fucked over by an unstoppable super mi-go blocking the door even if you're running around in power armor with a heavy machinegun (except those are shit now too because of mounting.)

>>158689173
That's up to you to decide. Everyone has shitty ideas, so it depends on whether you generally appreciate his contributions.

>>158689002
I mean you're right that the enemy idea is stupid, but honestly this shit:
>'Run away' is only supposed to be until you're strong enough to actually fight against the enemy.
Is much stupider. Why should every enemy be a surpassable threat? It's not like Cata is about killing dudes.

>>158689319
>Why should every enemy be a surpassable threat?
So you actually have a sense of progression and accomplishment. So there's a point to late game gear.

>>158689302
Just push a fucking cart in front of you.

>>158689389
The progression is to have a car sturdy enough and with enough acceleration to ram a hulk for 3 or 4 turns in a row.

>not barreling into walls, hulks, eldritch horrors, and fields of green with a killdozer

>>158689389
How does one enemy type remaining a threat prevent that?
There are plenty of other thongs you can exceed already. In more ways than just combat.

>>158689525
With these repair times? You must be insane.

>>158689456
>Getting a cart into a science lab.
They also don't block shots unless you're putting on boards. And the mi-go can walk around it.

>>158689674
>remaining a threat
There's 'remaining a threat' and then there's being unstoppable. This is the later. Most playstyles can't handle it, period. The only way to stop it was pointed out above, explosive chucking and sitting on your ass for several hours after you meet one to heal, or spamming through your first aid kits. That's not fun or interesting gameplay.

>>158689021
You have shit taste if you think thats good lmao.

>>158689825
>don't block shots

>he's never mounted a door on casters
Git. Gud.

>getting a cart into a science lab
There have been people that built underground tractors, anon. Bringing a door, a frame, and casters into a science lab isn't exactly difficult.

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>>158689886
It tasted like milky coins and bags of salt.

>>158689825
>One (1) 50 damage shot will always kill a character and it's simply impossible to work around this, ever

lmfao how bad are you

>>158689825
And my issue was not with your correct assessment of the mi-go change being retarded. It was with your statement that everything should be surpassable.
Do try to keep up.

>>158690118
It's an insta kill for quite a few, and as I said in my post, when you survive it you have to sit on your ass to recover the damage or else you risk actually dying the next time you find one.

>>158690016
I mentioned boards as an example of a solid construction.

>>158690157
It should be. There should always be a way for a player to overcome a challenge.