/rlg/ - Roguelike general

Is there a point to the Attman Catcombs?
There was a bookcase-looking coffin on floor 5, but there wasn't anything in it.
Is there some secret room I'm too dumb to find?

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I play nothing but awoo roguelikes.

>>158742519
So you play nothing.

I think I may not fully understand DDA mutations. I had fully-mutated Arachnid Arms which meant I could put all my gear back on and not eat a 40 encumbrance penalty. But then I took an Insect Serum and it downgraded them back into Arachnid Limbs. I'm assuming it was pushing me further in the direction of Insect Limbs but A) that's a post-threshold mutation when I'm already post-threshold Spider and B) it doesn't look like Arachnid or Insect Limbs should be able to cancel Arachnid Arms.

That means there's something else I'm missing, clearly.

>>158742519
What's your favourite awoo video game, Anon?

>>158742503
I told you it's boring shit there are almost no stats, no skills, no races no nothing
you just pick up random shit and use whatever you have like some retarded faggot

they only good things about it are cool ascii and level generation

>>158742645
wew

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>>158742557
>>158742608

>>158742727
You would never be able to win a game with her
Too much time spend fucking

>>158742645
and DCSS is just pressing O and tab, right?

Are roguelikes better than shmups?

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>>158742784
>Too much time spend on fucking
With that you've already won.

>>158742826
it has actual content without being bloated and grindy like bands and gameplay doesnt force you to use spoilers like hacks

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Was this a INTERESTING SITUATION or was there some other way to kill him I didn't think of? I wasn't too sure about nets

>>158742571
I think it tried to "evolve" you towards bad insect limbs.

There is a protection from this happening, but it looks like it only works for one step, so insect->arachnid is protected, but insect->arachnid->arachnid_ok isn't.

So the game sees that you don't have insect limbs or any of its evolutions and tries to move you back towards insect limbs.

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i really like this wraith sprite

>>158743138
>hurr fuck the tavern Chei's a good god

>>158743254
Penance went away after I killed exactly one monster so I'm good for now

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I hate my nyaalife

When dragons breath sound they're just screaming really loudly right

>>158743626

I swear that is some kind of Chei only bug since penance isn't supposed to be that short. It happened to me too but I just ignored it thinking it was just my imagination

>>158744154
yeah

>>158744340
Dith pennance is over like 2 kills after you roast a tree

>>158742304
Maybe you should try and give the original Rogue a shot.
You have no obligation to like it, just don't pretend that respecting the original game's spirit (simplicity and expecting player adaptability) somehow lowers a roguelike's quality.

>>158744619

I remember an Ely penance that took me 2 Vault floors worth to clear. Are these bugs? Since I don't think a penance is supposed to go away in a single kill or so

Penance is counted in hostile god actions, not kills

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Might as well ask here since the /jp/ thread is a little dead atm.

I keep getting this error with Elo+ custom 1.61 and some replacement sheets.

>>158743243
that's badass

>>158745302
that's wrong. piety gain can lower penance

Is there any way to restore lost maximum health in Demon? I have 2/2 HP right now.

>>158746118
Pure stones.

>>158746118
Grind xp and it will naturally recover.
Drain other stuff with own maxhp draining skills.

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I ran into this earlier.

>>158745516
Isn't 1.62 the latest?
Anyway some replacement sheets just refuse to work sometimes, I had troubles with a few as well.
Nowadays I just play "vanilla" graphics.
Although I do like the look of your font.

>run into orc priest and orc mage
>priest immediately smites
>immediately begin to flee
>mage blinks over and magic darts me to death

UNIRONICALLY OWN FAULT

>>158746659
I might upgrade to that then.
And thanks, the font's Consolas.

>>158742282

>you put on Uncle Yiff's Warm Fursuit (RC+)

>>158742407
>Is there a point to the Attman Catcombs?
Not yet.

>>158746790
>I love you… but I must kill you!

>D1 hound
>D3 bee pack
TrunkMuMo was never meant to be.

>>158747147
game gets easier with every patch

>Centaur of Chei
>all the strengths of chei
>none of the weakness
How is this balanced

>>158747973
nice shitpost

>>158748260
The balance is that you lose the only good thing about Centaurs.

>>158748260

A Centaur's movedelay for max piety is 1.7 fyi

>>158748512
Bardings?

>>158748260
>weaker slouch
trash

>>158748512
Kicks?

I know Elona's a bit of a hybrid anyway but is it possible to play it without ever fighting?

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>>158746314
I don't know what baffles me more: the map generator fucking up this bad, or the game being prepared to handle it.

>>158749964

How would you get to Act 2 without fighting? Objectively impossible

>>158749964
Sure, just make your inherited pets or necroslaves fight for you.

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Alright so:
>kill worms or rats until level 5
>grab healpots
>do thieves
>do wargs for free expee
>get to level 14

And then I'm kinda stumped.
Even regular enemies down there are tough.
I think I could get down to stronghold and fist meng huo's escorts hoping he doesn't get in the fight.

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This is something else, I tell ya what.

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>>158750443
Yes, something.

>>158750670
What's with germans and scat

Can you download the latest dcss trunk, or can you only play it online?

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Snail > salt-throwing bastards. :D

>new char
>gecko in first room
>can't get away
>ded

FAULT

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Now I'm no Demon expert, but thats a lot of resists/immunities.

>>158743219
Yeah, that seems reasonable. I can just go get a few more spider eggs if it happens again so it's not a big deal.

In other mutation-related news, hooves are real inconvenient in winter. I'd been relying on thermal-electrics so far to keep warm but that's obviously not an option any more. Gotta make some fur wraps and rely on internal climate control until then. Also, it's a bit disappointing that ICC doesn't help with cold-blooded. That might be beyond the scope of the game code but it seems to me it should do something about it.

>>158752256
It is, but it is a bit squishier thanks to that.

Half-troll warriors are strong

But damn, I really miss the blind resistance of dwarves

>>158752256
Remember that orb is squishy as fuck.
>37 HP

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AFC doesn't fuck around

>>158751773
faulted by playing crawl desu senpai

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I don't usually do dogs,but these guys were pretty good.

>>158752256
What is the significance of these? Are they mods?

Wasn't there a dude making his own roguelike here?

>Actaeon spawns as the extra enemy on Tower:4
>I already have a brutal ghoul and kitsune on my party backed up by a nero.
2easy

What a noble sacrifice!

>>158746118
Did you touch the fetches? Don't touch the fetches.

>>158754854
>tower 4
>nero
how

>>158755343
They can spawn in Vikhor's sanctum. They're easier to nab there because they usually show up with echeneis, which are popcorn by that point.

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Finally.

>>158755070
Not today, old friend.

So after stripping down a humvee and significantly altering and up-armoring my flatbed truck I mounted a prize Mark 19 grenade launcher to the roof. Awesome, finally some portable heavy firepower. Then I got back to base, picked up my 40mm grenades, and realized it hadn't come with a magazine.

What are the odds of me realistically ever finding a specific weapon mag on its own? I'm gonna go hit up a few military bases and road blocks I've spotted but I'm not feeling all that confident.

>>158752256
The Hand and Mask ones don't really give any indication to the wraith's goals like the other descriptions.

>>158756175
What is this wraith stuff? A mod? Fanart? Why are they level 1?

>>158755961
It takes an ammunition belt. I have no idea if you can craft one. Probably your best bet is to look for more humvees and hope one has one you can unload.

>latest cataclysm experimental removes nearly all of the default tilesets
what was the purpose

>>158756445
http://forum.ferretdev.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=176

>>158756692
>>158756445
oops wrong one
http://demon.ferretdev.org/devblog/

>>158756795
whoa that's fucking awesome thanks

now I might get a chance to save kickass demons I had when I died (not that I die much as opposed to get paralyzed by indecision)

>>158757048
you'll probably only fight your previous ghosts if your playing offline since then it can only pick ghosts saved locally. I remember somewhere on the forums ferret saying that wraiths are meant to be like hidden challenge encounter that can only really spawn by using a trouble chime or some special chime, although more will probably be revealed in the next devblog.

>>158742784
Nah if you got the cash you can soul armor her
but her love aint cheap

cata dda
Just wasted all six revolver rounds on fucker with machete, I should have waited for him to get closer, so I could drop him with one shot, at least got motorbike helmet from him, not a scratch + the machete. there are two other NPCs, I wonder if they will be such dicks.

And it's just me or generic gun mod makes it harder to find guns at shops? So far I got primers, gunpowder, tools and mods, but no actual gun yet. The revolver was found in house.

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>a statue of a chest mimic mimic

It finally happened to me too.
I feel whole.

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Let's see how everyone's favorite Elona character will do in SLEX!

>>158754741
Last thread scrap metal sword anon and Momji hat quest anon posted some WIP screenshot.
Dungeon Mercenary dev and Infra Arcana both visit /rlg/ every now and then.

>>158743243
cool

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>>158757902

>>158743243
What game is this?

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>>158758157
>it is cheerful
:3

>>158747147
You said you were done with mumo forever

>>158758175
Demon.
>>158758157
Ayy.

>>158758361
Actually that was an interesting and tactical situation from three days ago I never managed to post that I remembered while playing PCB.

>>158751731
ya probably

>>158747147
>D3 bee pack

The fuck?

>>158758546
Yeah, and the most fun part is that the game simply labeled them as "dangerous".
Like, I know that bees are yellow but come on now

>>158757998
now we only need chads and niggers to start playing roguelikes, then our community will finally start to collapse

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>#JustNightmarePCBThings

>>158755529

How do you evolve into a Stone of Lore?

>>158759121
you gotta play pseudoelliposchenmpaband.
Or just mpaposchengband.

>>158757998
do the wacky wall colors serve any purpose or are they just part of the SLEX Experience™

Awww damn it. I was really hoping to hit Ruminant instead of Freakishly Huge with cattle mutations. Now I need to figure out an all new clothing plan.

>>158759258
most of the time they just look beautiful, but certain types of rooms are color-coded, so e.g. beehives are always yellow.

>>158756527
Whoever built it probably fucked up.

>>158756527
nice to see dda finally take the bloat problem seriously

>>158760017
Tilesets aren't bloat.

>>158760070
>>>/v/

What Demon builds do you guys have the most fun with?

>>158760234
How are tilesets bloat

Please explain

>>158760304
squishy smite/"can't fail" orb is fun as fuck.

>>158760070
Are you retarded?
>>158760304
Winterkill+Sudden Chill+Frostbite+Headwind+Tormenter+others and run frontliners with brain knocker, choking veil et al.

So will 0.20 be the version where they finally either nerf Shoals or buff it and make it extended/third rune, putting in a different Lair branch.

>>158759276
Wait, I literally can't wear any storage aside from an XL Jumpsuit and some handheld bags. Why the fuck can't I just put a longer strap on a duffel bag? Why can't I store things in a duffel bag that I am carrying?

>>158760624
the real question is will 0.20 be the version where you finally git gud lel xD

>>158760304
Raijus are pretty cool. I usually have a Nero and fairy for healing, Stag and Python for tonk and then Raijuu and some other demon to fill out the 6 part slot. People usually take a magic demon for the last 2 slots, but I only play ORB so the summoner does the magicking.

>>158760696

I pretty seriously doubt it

>>158760304
get crusader/healing/regen cuts out of major and put it on everything, never die

>>158760624
>Nerf shoals
Why not just buff yourself and git gud?

>>158761321

Anon if that was going to happen it would have happened by now

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>>158760624
Shoals is literally the best possible branch that anyone could ever find.
Because the other is swamp.

Wait. When did the GC GSC min delays get so fucked?

Like I wouldn't train to GSC as even a Be now unless I got a good artefact one. And even then...

>>158761756
Swamp is better than shoals though

>>158761957
Soggy bandages>munched bandages, anon.

You're playing MuMo, right?
Why would anyone play DCSS except for MuMo?

>>158761818
their delay is still 0.7?

>>158761756
swamp is easier unless you're a melee dude who can't take on hydras by end of orc (so basically mumo)

>>158761756
Swamp would be better if Lerny was a guaranteed spawn

>>158761957

By a very far margin.

The lair branch difficulty order from easiest to hardest is

Swamp
Spider
Snek
Shoals

>>158762045

No I mean you have to go from 18 M&F skill min delay for GC to 24 for GSG for a beefy increase of TWO base damage.

>>158760304
dank healer or twilight blaster

>>158761957
Shoals is pretty damn brutal, dude.
Very high damage alligator snapping turtles, impalers, javelineers, harpies... I'm glad you can just Firestorm it into submission.

>>158762482
I know, that's why I said swamp is better

>>158762130
>Spider harder than Swamp

Just fuck them up with killholes and wands

I forget, Clarity is still in the game right?

who is kaceytron i never want to see her again in my life

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I need to grab myself a staff of curing and one of heal wounds somehow because this is getting insane

>>158763278
>he doesn't have adblock

>>158763278

She's not a roguelike.

>>158763278
Welcome, newfriend.
It is time to learn how to use the internet.

Grab Ublock Origin, get yourself a roguelike to play and talk about roguelikes.

>>158763235

Only as a mut/Ash benefit

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>>158757902

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That's one down. I gotta grab the one that actually heals my ass now.

>no more clone monster wand even in the forks

>>158763452
>adblock
>not ublock origins

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Eh, it's alright I guess.
The fucking D30 Sauron should have warned me that I would never win this anyway.

Nightmare mode is fun only when you ARK it and even then it's prone to incredible bouts of bullshit.

>>158760304
Aura Ward tank.

>>158765564
F

Do you know how warlocks work? Im playing one using the dragon pact and at level 14 all I fucking have is eldritch blast for 3d8 and detect ferocity/object.

>>158766359
>Do you know how warlocks work?
They're good, but their main gimmick is devices, they have the rougly same apts as devicemasters, if I remember correctly. On the melee side they're okay, but they don't really shine. So you're going to end up spamming rockets to the serpent as usual.

Eldritch blast will get stronger in time and nothing without weird mind can resist it, but I rarely used it.

>>158744154
there's a unique p who does that
custom messages and everything

how the fuck do i set a canteen on fire in caves of qud

>>158766359
More charisma improves the sides of your eldritch blast. You can spam it through a lot of the game since it costs nothing, and eventually you get a stunning version which is even better.

Though dragon warlocks were pretty broken (as in doesn't work) as a riding class capped at basic riding, unless that was fixed in the last release.

>>158766714
>they have the rougly same apts as devicemasters
It depends somewhat on pact. Undead and especially demon are device guys.

Do you think demon would be more interesting if the player had a second ability set they could switch to with a restriction that prevents swapping in the middle of fights? Maybe even swappable soul armors. Because, as we all know, summoners can't unsummon themselves, so it becomes optimal for them to build in a very general-function way, and melee summoners fall off as a result.

>>158767051
You got glotrot, eh?
If they haven't changed anything there's no way of doing it yourself unless you have flaming hands. You gotta get hit by a sower or something.
>>158767119
Oh yeah, I was playing a demon dude. Seemed the best possible choice.
They do get fire immunity at level 50ish.

>>158767224
>he can't unsummon himself
lmaoing at your relic.
However I feel that traits should be added as currently there aren't any traits in-game IIRC

>>158767352
i have literally spent the past 5 hours getting the water needed to trade for the honey, cider, and artifacts in hopes of getting a flame grenade

i have dropped one thousand fucking drams of water and a few hundred skill points so far on this retarded newbie trap disease, this is the most autistic shit i've ever had to deal with in 14 years of videogame experience.

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>>158767590
>i have literally spent the past 5 hours getting the water needed to trade for the honey, cider, and artifacts in hopes of getting a flame grenade

Qud Sucks. Don't play Qud.

>>158767440
What do you mean?

>>158765069
Now that you've mentioned it, I think I'm gonna try it, I've heard it's pretty good

>>158750338
get a big pile o' wands and go tickle hydras to death

nothing in that southern swamp has ranged attacks so ?tp or ?phase = literal invincibility

At what depth do stat potions start to drop in Angband?

>try a shock dude faithful heart because i don't know what i'm doing
>get the raichu bonus for applying shock
>pump cunning so that shock chance is super high
>die because my emit sparks missed, would only target one and wouldn't apply shock a bunch of times in a row
This is fun. Its like fire emblem except without the scumming.

>>158767987
>nothing in that southern swamp has ranged attacks
Hydras can cast stinking could, no?

>>158767224
That doesn't seem like it would help melee summoners much at all, since most of them end up being 1-2 attacks and a bunch of things to help you not die.

>>158768076
only 5-headed and up.
scariest things in there are 4head hydras and lizard kings

>>158767743
There's a spot for traits in the details screen my man

>>158768105
The swapping resistances would. Swapping abilities is more for casters.

Skill rust or no skill rust

>>158768801
not dda

How safe is it to turn NPCs and non-standard zombies on in a currently running DDA game? It's pretty lame to wait to increase the challenge level until after I'm already pretty well situated but I'm starting to regret my earlier reluctance and really don't want to start a new character.

>>158768801
skill rust unless you're some kind of silk panty wearing faggot that likes a super easy game

>>158768071
Now you convinced me to download it.

>>158765564
>survive a fucking D30 sauron
>die to a normal, non-OOD unique spawning in his normal environment
going to high-level areas without -detectmons is suicide. you could've just been oneshot by a great crystal drake too

>>158769312
>have to craft one of each item every, don't forget!
>challenging and rewarding gameplay

Please stop false-flagging, anti-DDA poster.

>>158768801
It defaults to off now I believe.
You can autism your way around skill rust, if that matters to you.

>>158769725
>complain game is too easy
>plays on easy mode
most retarded thing I've ever seen, you can't make this shit up

>>158769857
I'm really not sure why you're conflating skill rust with difficulty in any respect.

The game would probably be more difficult if you played it with a fucked up language pack so none of the symbols made any sense. Why aren't you playing like that?

just lmao if u dont modify cdda to force you to play a 3x speed game of snake every tmie you sleep and kill you of a brain aneurysm if you don't manage to fill the entire screen
what, are u taking the easy route? fuckin casuals

Cata would be a much better game with macros.

>>158769857
>s-skill rust is easy! I could totally handle it haha. n-no I won't prove it!
I bet you think mumo is easy too huh
really makes u think

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>>158768801

Doesn't seem to make much difference once you get a horde of skill books going on at the home base.

Then it's just an annoyance.

>>158768945
Just backup your save

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Is this as impossible as it seems?

>>158770751
No. Given where you are you might run into West, Headless, and the modified zombies, but they're not too bad. You can also run into a couple of ghouls occasionally, but you should be able to dispatch them.

>>158770668
Holy shit do you own that?

>>158771036
I mean the recruitment requirements. Kill 4 enemies seems really hard, and I thought zombie's 2 was bad.

>>158771118

Nah, I wish

>>158770751
It's actually one of the easier links most of the time. Although your party looks like shit.
Recommend against doing it on a cleared floor.

>>158771250
Look at the duration and the conditions.

>>158771250
Zombie stays hostile and you only get 10 turns to kill 2
Preta gives you 80 turns , enemy sense, and doesn't attack you

>>158770668
I just make it level cap.

Has anyone played that scifi real time rl

>>158771456
Cataclysm has a realtime mode. You can set turns to a certain duration.

>>158769723
>going to high-level areas without -detectmons is suicide
I hat it though. Just like the sasquatch of yore I was low on hp and tele'd right next to Gaylord of the winds right there.
And the only reason why I survived sauron was because he summon durrgins right when I went down the staircase and summons don't follow you upstairs.

>>158766359
dragon warlocks's gimmick specifically is dragon-riding, and you get a ton of powers later on that only work when riding a durrgin

except you don't get the ability to summon dragons until 20 or the abiliity to charm them until 40, so you really need to be an aphrodite demigod if you want to be something other than a shitty eldritch blast spammer for the first 20 levels

it looks like the riding exp bug was fixed at some point and they can get master now

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>>158771456
>real time rl

So what should I change to actually make C:DDA more difficult instead of more tedious? Reviving corpses just means you have to butcher or smash every corpse. More zombies just means more kiting and more butchering. Fast zombies just means more sprinting, and trap- or cart- kiting. Lower item spawn just means you have to spend more time searching for shit.

>>158771651
You can't ever make CDDA difficult in the long run once you are good at it.
The game would need to be reworked from the start to even approach consistent difficulty. It would need to not be a sandbox as well.

>>158768801
No skill rust, maintaining higher levels at rust is a bitch.
Consider lowering skill train rate in options to balance it out.

>>158771651
replace it with a different game

you can't force players to put themselves in danger in an open-world game without bullshit random encounters that nobody likes

>>158771651
At some point you have to decide to take on a tank drone with nothing but a loincloth and your weapon of choice.

>>158771651
It's a sandbox game. it isn't supposed to be Nethack-tier difficult.
It means you're supposed to go with most fun option and that means community has to deal with OPINIONS.

>>158771651

Maybe lower the amount of consumables that spawn? This would force the player to do more hunting or woodland scavenging (for nuts, berries, etc). Plus give them some motivation to make a garden.

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>>158771618
>that appear to be female
So, trappy shotas?

>>158771651
Cataclysm is too open ended to have any real way of changing difficulty.

If you're not already playing fragile+glass jaw with langorous and fast zombies, you're not really trying to make things harder.

>>158772554
>Maybe lower the amount of consumables that spawn?
That could because now, lowering the item spawn rate means you will have hard time getting stuff that are hard to craft, like guns.

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>>158771651
You've answered your own question, anon my boy.

I suggest playing modded diablo 2.

>>158772698
>That could work*

>>158771651
The -% hp traits, I guess.

Or something like winter start, minimum cities herbivore, though once you manage to get going it won't be much more difficult than other things. Hospital scenario with the dude that starts with every bad bionic is another one with some conditions to solve before you become a normal character, and is probably the worst pre-made character you can pick.

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>try to play tonberry mystic
>run into a death sword on a really small level and it almost kills me
>blink away and summon spiders
>One of them is a phase spider and it teleports the death sword right next to me

Fault? Y/Y

>>158773449
>phase spiders
REMOVE THIS

The DDA wiki makes it sound like removing a bionic is always at least potentially fatal but doesn't give any more detail. Is there a resource with more info? I might just make some debug characters and run some trials.

>>158773583
Removing a bionic is potentially fatal, every time.

I save scum removals because instant rip on a single dice roll is fucking stupid.

>play a riding class
>if your mount gets teleported you teleport with it
>unlike the player, pets get no saving throw against the spiders' teleportation
the sweet release of death never sounded more appealing

>>158773583
if you get it wrong at full health, you get all your limbs at /.
If you get it wrong without perfect health on any vital part of the body (torso/head) you die.

>>158772764
>modded diablo 2
is there any mod that adds actual content and not just bugfixes?

>>158773820
That sounds reasonable enough, at least.

I'm probably still going to savescum it, just in case

>>158773583
30-80 damage, so it's survivable if you don't reduce your strength or take traits that reduce your hp.

>>158773898
>is there any mod that adds actual content and not just bugfixes?
Literally tens of them overhaul the game completely.

>>158773958
THE WEARER OF SILK!

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>>158773583
>>158773820
looks like it just does between 30-80 damage to all body parts

so, don't have low strength

>>158771529
>>158771618
I was referring to this

http://www.gridsagegames.com/cogmind/

>>158774786
>buying into an alpha
Nah. I'll wait.

>>158774786
Cogmind is turn based though.

>>158774786
that game isn't real time
it's real pretty tho

>>158774262
Ah, thank you. No silk for me, it seems.

>Zot 5
>Going to be a cakewalk unless I get fucked
>Clearing out the stuff around the chamber before going in
>Teleport trap next to 3 orbs of fire
>Instant blurry vision

Ok time to stop playing for a week

Holy shit blizzard actually made a 1.14 patch for diablo 2

>>158774786
Not real time, dingus. Unless you mean it has fancy animations and things that happen between turns, but a bunch of roguelikes have those.

Anyway, I've tried it out. It seems like it has some MASSIVE potential, and the dev has an eye for good looking UI, colors, and ASCII art... not to mention the code seems very clean and incredibly modding-friendly.

But the base mechanics are just tedious: grab parts, run, shoot at stuff until it's dead (or too far behind you), grab new parts, etc. I've never felt like I've had to make a meaningful combat decision - only terminal hacking and utility item choice have ever made me go "wow, I'll need to weigh my options here".

If I had bought it I would have felt cheated out for sure. The game's not ready yet, and it won't be until the fundamentals are reworked.

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I really wish I had paid more attention to other people who played this. Holy shiiiit.

okay so while I get the feeling nobody here plays cataclysm, I've got a question

i just burnt the shit out of my character's legs and arms, like, the bars for those are now completely gone

am i a quad amputee now?

>>158775778
only diablo 1 is a rogueklike

>>158776186

According to the original design documents it was going to be fully turn-based but multiplayer killed that.

>>158775773
Blurry vision isn't even as horrible as *tele or something like that.
My SpEn of 15 runes died while looking for an exit of Pan because cacos really fucked my DNA up. I just wasn't able to hide and heal because of 2noregen and 2tele.

>>158776146
wear some splints bruh

the fire broke your legs because of realism

>>158776146
Half the recent discussion has been about Cata you nob.

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>>158771651

I think as it stands finding "factory made" guns and ammo in CDDA is a little too easy. I know this slightly cuts into the "lower item spawn just means you have to spend more time searching for shit" argument but hear me out:

The idea is that when the shit hit the fan in the cataclysm, people grabbed up all the guns and ammo but left behind raw crafting components. So you'd find smashed up gun shops without many guns, magazines, or ammo boxes - but you'd find more cans of gunpowder, primers, lead, casings, ammo presses, etc. Suddenly all of those crafting recipes for zip guns or pipe rifles become a lot more useful.

This would require some fairly major re-balancing. Right now just throwing rocks is enough to kill or seriously wound most enemies once you build up the Throwing skill. That and Archery is strong at higher levels (although it should remain that way, at least against the basic walker style zombies).

>>158774010
Any mod rec?

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>>158776548
so it has been
I am indeed a knob.

>>158776337
oh, shit, thanks, I thought that they had just been fucking burnt off or some shit.

also, this happened, apparently you can fight before you wake up, interesting

>>158775778
They made it compatible for modern systems. They did nothing to balance. Also, it was like 4 months ago.

>>158754741
>>158758012
I think we get a crawl dev/contributor every once in a while, too.

>>158776794
A dreadful existence for sure

>>158776618
>how to blow your hand up on less than 5 dollars

>>158776716
Muscle memory sure is something.

>>158767773
Remember that it's not just for ads either, you can block features of a site if the layout is dumb/annoying, I do it quite often with some pages.

>>158776618
I can't think of any more useless weapon than a hand-made .22LR. You'd kill a human faster by beating them with the thing and I can't imagine it would be remotely useful for varmint hunting. Just about the only upside is that >>158776943 is probably not going to happen.

>>158776716
>when you realize 9/11 was an inside in the middle of fighting off a zombie
You could have stopped it. All you had to do was listen.

>descend to stronghold 15 with alwayssmalllevels
>only 2 rooms on the map
>1 full of meng huo's mindcrafter permaconfuse gangbang
>second one full of griffons and chimeras punching me to death
>every single teleport scroll lands me in the middle of one of these groups
i almost died, holy shit

eventually one of my teleports got me in a corridor instead of surrounded by eight baddies and i chugged all my !ccw while waiting for recall

next time im turning small levels off before this

>>158771618
>romanized
nice macro image, faggot

>>158776667
Several.
>The good
The best one out there is Median XL: it really changes the game into something better but doesn't stray far from the original path of diablo. All the skill trees are reworked and there's tons of added content. I'm probably exxagerating right now but the fanbase is enormous, there's huge servers and it's basically bigger than D3.

>The odd one

If you want something more different and less serious there's Zy-el, which is as far from diablo as PCB is from angband. It gets really crazy and the game strays a LOT from the original, but it's very fun to try and really addictive.

>The one that doesn't stray too much from the path

Eastern sun is a pretty good mod. I remember playing it for some months and really enjoying it. The name sounds weebish but the only thing that's out of the ordinary is the fact that you can make runewords from kanji runes. Incredibly detailed and fleshed out crafting system.

These are the main 3 ones. I remember checking out http://www.moddb.com/games/diablo-2-lod/mods for other ones, and finding something playable, but the only ones that I've played and found worthwile were those three.

Well that should be enough, see you on /vr/!

>tfw you'll never play median with dick and balls

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>>158776943
>>158777287

Absolutely. Maybe if you could fire a whole bunch of .22 rounds at once, though?

>>158777578
>it's basically bigger than D3
Damn, sounds nice

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Now this is what I call a reward!

I honestly don't want to abandon Oka for extended. He has been just too based to me this run to bretray him.

>>158777749
yeah, didn't you know? D3 was such a huge flop that the old D2 battle.net servers basically had more people than the official ones. And when people got bored of vanilla, they went to the mods. Median has been actively developed for the last twelve years or so.

http://docs.median-xl.com/

>>158777578
Median was the shit. I wonder if they kept updating it.

>>158777578
Thanks my man.
I remember beating D2 once, but it was with a scummy hammer paladin.
Also, I tried playing summon Necromancer but Duriel raped me.

Is rlg getting invaded by d2mod shills?

>>158778438
>shilling a free game

Seems like the very spirit of /rlg/.

>>158777936
Crawl should have god quests

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>>158776119

>>158778542
>oka's quest: press tab

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This place was made for crafting a crazy electric demon. Is it worth it to graft all the good passives onto one demon just to have a really good one?

>>158777408
ya usually what I do is small levels for like the first 13 levels of stronghold than no small levels for the rest of my run. For Meng Huo I usually just fight in the hallways since if he is more likely to summon his hoard of shitters in a room but in a hallway you might get trapped but you can only get attacked by 2 sides at most.

>>158777728
Well, damn.

420 rpm? Double damn.

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>>158778354
The last major update was... on the 22nd of march.
There's a new update from last week, but it's mainly a bugfix.

Last ladder update was a month ago.

http://tsw.median-xl.com/

>>158778438
How do you shill what which has no price?
I'm pretty sure everyone on /rlg/ has played diablo. Heck, diablo was inspired from moria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMAbNFptzAA

But enough of D2, let's go back to roguelikes.

>>158778780
Most god quests would end up being boring shit anyway.

TSO used to have that thing where you could turn a demon weapon into a divine one once per game. Think a couple other gods have that.

But I also think they removed the one time only stuff. The justification is that gaining piety is the whole quest of worshiping a god.

>>158778787
experimentation is part of the fun my dude

>>158778987
>grid based of variable sizes
I think too few roguelikes make use of this scale.

There's no reason 1 tile = 1 creature should be a rule.

Why not make 1 creature = 4 tiles. Or more. It'll make creating more interesting landscapes easier. It's just a matter of resolution.

Then you can have 8 rats surround one guy instead of one mammoth rat. And butterflies won't be the same size as hydras.

>>158779472
>hafling roguelike
>you escape orcs by ducking into hallways too skinny for them, to enter

>>158779026
tso still has that, anon

>>158780012
my bad. I just operate on the assumption that if something was fun it got removed at some point.

>>158779472
I've been thinking the opposite, multiple creatures per tile. I mean humans aren't 5' cubes, even in America. This could also play in with a system for weapon ranges. Spears can attack from one square away, swords from an adjacent squares, and you have to stand in the enemy square to stab them with a knife. But longer weapons get a penalty if you're too close as well. But then creatures as big or larger than a square can be attacked from adjacent squares with short weapons but they're unlikely to be damaged all that badly by it.

>>158780072
Also: one guy in a hallway? You can just bumrush past him. But three guys in a tight formation with shields will be completely immobile, though they'd probably suffer a penalty with slashing or blunt weapons.

>>158780072
multiple creatures per tile is done plenty though. Even crawl and dorf fort do it.

>>158780072
How would you display multiple creatures on a tile, though?

>>158754384
>Are they mods?
If there would be Demon mods/knock-offs I think a Yu-Gi-Oh one could work.

>>158780324
That's trivial.

Just update a sprite for how many of a creature are standing there. Instead of 1 orc, have a pair of orcs in the sprite, up to several. Just takes extra sprite work. It's exactly what slimes do in Crawl.

In DF, it just animates an alternate between them. One sprite shows, then the second sprite shows, and it cycles through them all as far as necessary.

>>158780236
I haven't kept up with DF in a while but last I remember the closest they got was having a split second while two dwarves walked past each other in a hall. And I really cannot think of an example in crawl.

>>158780324
The non-sprite (ewww, sprites) option I can come up with off the top of my head is to have a background color change for multiple-occupied tiles. Kind of how ascii crawl shows status effects.

>>158779472
I've thought about this a lot. If I recall correctly, POWDER and Cogmind are some of the only roguelikes to use enemies 2x2 and bigger.

However, I can't agree with
>There's no reason 1 tile = 1 creature should be a rule
Roguelikes have never been about literally representing the playing field. There's always abstraction involved, and dragons and rats take up the same space for the same reason it is just as rare to know what direction an enemy is facing: for the sake of simplicity and mechanics.
Making the "real" tile size 1/4 of the player's just to have swarms of critters sounds cool but also like it'd be a pain in the ass unless your system is very flexible.

Still: going further, there are much more interesting uses for multi-tiles enemies! Here's some of what I have planned for a future RL:
>Giant snake/worm/centipede made of multiple tile segments
>Hydra with 1 body tile and 8 head tiles that can move individually but must remain close to the body
>Jelly that's 4x4 tiles and can reorganize its shape to fit trough tight passages, and has parts of it detach themselves from the main body to become autonomous
etc.

>>158780324
Animate through the symbols? So if you've got a zombie warrior riding a dragon ally, flip between z and D. Pretty simple. That's what I plan to do at least.

>>158780718
Goblins have sieged with mounts for ages.

>>158781174
>tiles aren't literal
No, but there's no rule that 1 tile = 1 creature either. Like I said. It's just generally not done because it's more difficult to make combat and monster generation more robust. You have to check more sizes and run A* multiple times.

In regards to the hafling escaping orcs example, Orcs could spend a turn chiseling away at the sections of the hallway that prevent them from entering. Dragons can't reach, so they'll breath down the hallway.

Using smaller squares and creatures spanning multiple squares makes terrain deformation more engaging.

Crawl has multi tile creatures as well. Vines/Tentacles.

goddamnit now I want to play diablo
is there a way to play it on linux

>>158781948
yes

>>158779472
I think the main problem with having the player not being a single tile is display issues.

If your player is 4x4, you have four times as less space available, or you have minuscule tiles in order to show as much as you could with the standard way.

Where exactly is stronghold? I must be a fucking retard because I can't find it for the life of me right now

>>158781948

Linux WINE?

>>158782314
http://store.steampowered.com/app/40950/

>>158782296
Keep crawl the exact same sprite scale.

Now cut all tiles into fourths and have the sprites span the exact same dimensions they did before.

Have the player traverse its body size per turn. Have creatures traverse at however distance you want them to per turn.

>>158782273
the .iso should be done in five minutes. I'm downloading the mod manager as we speak. I take I can run everything on wine.

>>158782314
Stronghold is the first dungeon right next to the starting town in PCB. Just walk right.

>>158782553
It's called Camelot?

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>>158782453
I'll stick with roguelikes designed for dumb players, I guess.

>tfw you found out you can make charcoal kiln clay kiln via construction menu at 4 construction skill
>tfw you made a base in your startinf evac shelter in the forest so you have plenty of wood

Aw shit, clay canister firebombs coming through!
Guess I will have to loot for some cooking oil first.

>>158781174
IVAN has some 2x2 enemies. However, they could never figure out pathfinding for them, so they're all either immobile or tunnel through walls.
Dwarf Fortress has 3x3 wagons, and their pathfinding more or less works.
Stone Soup has multitile tentacles.

>>158782661
What's hard about it?

Put your finger on a piece of paper with grid on it. Now draw lines halfway between every square end to double the amount of squares on the grid. Your finger stayed the same size, and you now have 4 times as many squares.

>>158782780
Charcoal can also fully replace the bleach/ammonia half of mutagen creation, though I'm pretty sure a single mutagen still takes hours of processing to make this way. Faster to just find a new lab.

>>158754384
they are new additions coming in the next version

>>158782780
With a bit of cooking, you can make oil out of those fluid sacs you get from fungaloids.
If you kill them from one tile away with a spear, you won't get spores on you.

>>158781174
>dragons and rats take up the same space for the same reason it is just as rare to know what direction an enemy is facing: for the sake of simplicity and mechanics.

this is just a consequence of of the interface -- the console restricts all your rs and Ds to a specific grid

i don't see anything inherently wrong with changing this if you're making a game that doesn't use the OS console for display, although i imagine pathfinding algorithms would be much harder to write if you support multiple sizes

>>158782860
I think alternate-tile-size games would strongly benefit from some sort of "squeezing" mechanic where large creatures can move through smaller areas but at a large movement penalty.

>>158783219
I got no fungals near me, but I found two basements with weed, this may not be enought to spam molotov's, though and hunting anumals for fat will be quite slow, so it's easier to raid a burger stronghold or something.

>>158782652
are you playing version 2 or something

stronghold was added in 3.something and the current pcb version is 5.0.2

Sometimes I think my minifridge doesn't even work.

>>158777728
More dakka is always the answer!

>>158782867
Isn't this the "minuscule font size to display the old amount" option for console?

Or do I have no idea what I'm doing?

>>158783396
>pathfinding multiple sizes is harder
This is at least three quarters of the problem. The other part being the people capable of making robust pathfinding like that aren't the same people that make fun things to do with them.

>>158783510
squeezing would probably be useful for pathfinding. Instead of being barred, they just experience an aversion weight

It sounds easy enough, but pathfinding is not as simple as describing how things 'should' act.

>>158783552
I'm playing 3.5.1. My computer kept telling me 5.0.2 was malware

>>158783717
I have no idea what you're talking about. Just draw the @ across 4 tiles and use a smaller font. So maybe that's what you're describing? I feel like you're making it sound unnecessarily complicated.

>>158783945
>My computer kept telling me 5.0.2 was malware
Your computer is right, the last changes have been terrible.

>>158776618
So all the gun skills and items are now useless, everyone just makes reflex recurve bows and crossbows because all of those are better than homemade guns in every way.

>>158783751
>but pathfinding is not as simple as describing how things 'should' act.


Oh yeah, true that. I try not to phrase my ideas-guy tier solutions as if they'd actually be easy to implement in code because I know just enough to understand how false that is. But sometimes there are clever ideas that solve problems so I like to try.

>anal sex

>>158777728
That design would require mounting. Even more useless than the wooden one.

>>158784223
wrong board

>>158782931
>Charcoal can also fully replace the bleach/ammonia half of mutagen creation
Could you tell me more? Never managed to get to mutagen crafting.

>>158784378
right board. was meant for /lolg/ though.

Which rogue enjoys anal sex: the ost?

>>158758862
What community? Nothing but venom and shitposting on every thing related to roguelikes despite it being called /rlg/. Every thread exactly the same. Someone posts anything in the pastebin and you'll get a handful of people shitting on it or the players playing it. Another game gets posted and you get the same results. Seriously, this thread is only alive because of shit slinging between people that boils down to my roguelike is better than yours and why are you so retarded you should be like me.

>>158783949
I just mean that console roguelikes already have issues displaying enough information (especially the map). You can barely display anything with it effectively blown up to 4x size without requiring giant terminal sizes and tiny fonts.

I think you'd want to avoid console support with this type of idea.

>>158784638
>the thread is always shit when I'm reading it
Only. Fucking. Constant.

It's typically very informative and enjoyable for me. Don't be a faggot.

158784638
Not only that is completely false, but (you) also seem saltier than the dead sea.

What exactly do all the pet commands in PCB do?

>>158784638
well my roguelikes *are* better than yours
retart

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i have been sitting here letting this dragonfly have its way with me for so long and all it's done is break all my stuff
i just want to learn how to breathe sound too, but i guess my little blue-mage will never grow up and become a real boy </3

cata dda
Is there something datura seeds can be used besides mutagen and fucking yourself over for de lulz?

Oh, hey, if you're Huge and can't fit in a car without taking pain you can just take the seat out so you can fit. It's always fun when games meet your expectations.

Of course, if I get in a collision I don't have a seatbelt keeping me in.

>>158785549
Just angry marine the collision and you'll be good.

>>158785480
drugs

>>158785885
Right, should have checked.
Does the seed itself have any positive effect?

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i have scroll of acquirement.
what should i acquire? i don't have neither heal nor haste wand, but i don't know if i should get anything else
also, rate my memecharacter

>>158786232
seriously
you're a fucking veteran crawl player at this point and you're still asking what to acquire
fucking fuck

>>158786232
Acquire my foot in your ass.

Yea. I told you, fuccboi.

>>158786232
armour probably

how well does invis work with qazlel?

>>158786232
>Faith
>*Corrode
>rF-
>768p
>JPG
>Hill Orc
>Fighter
>at LV22 yet zero fucking resistances
>redundant rElec and rC
>2 spells memorized

Note: threatening a demon with further violence during a negotiation after killing its allies can instantly make it distrustful.

>>158785480
They're one of the ingredients to adrenaline shots.

Otherwise I don't think so. Maybe they interact with the spiritual trait?

>>158786548
i'm playing crawl since like one month ago
also i have mild autism and i like to ask for help
>>158786598
i haven't used it yet, i only use the ring because blink
>>158786850
sorry, sempai, i'm going

>>158786920
rarely it'll also make it instantly join you, i think it depends on the type of demon

>>158786598
Same way it would work for anyone else. You don't glow under qaz. You just make a shit ton of noise.

>>158787308
I wish some of the negotiation stuff was more clear. Like what difference does identifying yourself or lying make? Should you lie if you have a bunch of dead demons or something?

>>158787816
i assume there is or will at some point be a karma meter of sorts, things like demon distrusts will lower it

What's the best mutation tree in DDA for a charisma/follower-heavy character? As in, which one provides the most dialogue/persuasion advantages? Trying to build a settlement-leader character in case factions ever get any progress made on them.

>>158788242
>best mutations
You don't even need strong mutations. Get Speech skill to 6 and have int at about 12 and you'll persuade most anyone to join you if joining you is an option. Oh, and be pretty too.

I have 3 speech and 10 int and I can indoctrinate npcs fairly consistently. You're not going to have so much force of will that you can convert the in convertible.

>>158785848
My plan A is to not get in collisions. Plan B is that apparently high str reduces your chances of being thrown from a car, and reduces the distance.

>>158788242
The elf one has the pretty line.

>>158786946
>Maybe they interact with the spiritual trait?
Nope, just checked.

>>158788242
most mutations make you uglier, so you'd probably need something like alpha or elv

is there ever a reason to go above 14 in a stat in DDA?

>>158779472
incursion has bigass multi tile enemies
fucking 6x6 dragons

>>158789709
Is there any reason not to?

Or are you asking specifically in character creation? In that case, probably not. There's not much point going above 12 when you're starting.

>>158788643
the inconvertible truth

>>158790042
Yea in character creation. Each stat point after 14 costs 2 buy points, so it seems kinda shit unless you're doing some kind of roleplay

>>158783751
>but pathfinding is not as simple as describing how things 'should' act.
move cost is implemented quite easily in fact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sdKMETlItg

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>unique with 3 psychic zars shows up
>instantly slept, along with my kitsune
>only have 2 demons out since I usually pounce and summon my secondary melee dude
>fairy basically solos the unique with censure since he is weak to light
>the second the unique dies, I wake up so I never got to try a link
Oh.