/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

Go play SMT 1 you casuals!
Stop staying up all night shitposting!

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I don't wanna try to fight this love.

>>158182212
But I have a 50 word essay due in a week.

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>>158182212
but I am playing it

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>>158182212
But anon, I'm in the Great Cathedral, and I can't be bothered to figure out where the fuck I'm supposed to be going.

>>158182331
If you're on an alignment, you'll need to go talk to the bosses on the top/bottom floors to get items so you can meet the final boss. If the world hasn't flooded yet, go kill the Devas.

>>158182284
My post is already half the work done for you bitch boy

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ONE MORE DELEGATE REJECTED
IVE GOT YOUR BACK TO "THE WALL"

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>>158182420
I went with Chaos, of course. It's been like a month since I last played.
I believe I talked to him, and I ended up somewhere else in the Catherdral.
I then tried to use a map, but I'm gonna be honest with you man, I couldn't figure out where I was on the map to use it as a reference.

LOOKING THROUGH MY EYES

>>158182430
SURVIVE THE FALL FROM THE RACE
Trump's going to lose and we're all fucked by Angela Merkel U.S edition

>Can I unleash the devilness of that day?
What does this even mean?

>>158182195
I'm assuming your here so do i need a cord to plug into my computer/3ds? I have the digital version of IV and i have no idea how save editors work.

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>>158182212
I'm busy playing DeSu2.

>>158182616
ew

>>158182586
MAGA3x bro. We must do our best. The game goes on even if we lose but fight this election for now.

>implying you know 3 people you can get signed up to vote MAGA

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>>158182586
>Trump's going to lose
nice maymay

>>158182616
Me too. Good game.

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>>158182712
As much as I hate it, the phantom society won't let him win.

>>158182586
>>158182712
Take your off-topic shit somewhere else.

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>>158182212
I'm already playing this shit

>>158182779
Fuck off yuroslime

>>158182779
This isn't even the start of the election-season shitposting, my friend. Brace yourself.

>>158182779
What do I need to proceed to make this phantom society bleed?

>>158182794
>aspectraido.jpg

I really like the song they play for musubi's ending.

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Macca Beam.

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>>158182794
Looking good!

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>tfw no SHHD

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxJkWYzt2fE

>>158183071
I SHOULD HAVE DEAR ED

>>158183071
WHHAAAAAAAAAT?

>>158183090
>TFW no Soul Hackers 2: More Conspiracy Theories edition
SMT needs more demons trying to infiltrate society

>>158183227
Soul Hackers had a better story than SMT4 and 4A.

>>158183468
This is true, but only by virtue of it being 25 hours long. The last act was really rushed, too.

>>158183516
Wow, Soul Hackers is that short?
I was putting it off, but I may just start that next.

>>158183647
Unless you play it on hard, yeah. Skip the extra quests and you could shave an hour or two off it.
I'd say 30 hours tops, maybe 35-40 if you wanna do the bonus bosses.

>>158183751
the extra dungeon is literally the best part of the port

>>158183798
This is also true. Fighting Kyouji was the best part of the game.

>>158183751
>>158183798
Alright, cool.
I'll make sure to do the extra shit first time around.

>>158173114
YHVH is most likely responsible for Blasted Tokyo, yes, but the story, as it is told, doesn't tie Merk to YHVH. Merkabah clearly doesn't have a phone hotline to YHVH, and invokes God's Will as a zealot would to justify any action. Lucifer acts against Merkabah and still somehow does what YHVH wants.

YHVH clearly isn't a puppet master directly manipulating both. The second they come together, they both decide it's time to kill YHVH.. which was also what Lucifer wanted but somehow he couldn't do it but Satan can because lol handwaved reasons.

The YHVH of 4 and 4A is distant and has no direct hand in any of the actions of the plot. The only crimes you can actually charge him with are killing off large chunks of humanity in an alternate dimension and apparently somehow wanting both Lucy and Merky wage war as this in some oblique way helps him maintain power... even though he can freely destroy and remake the universe whenever he wants and clearly needs nothing from humanity.

The mechanisms of this are left vague and tenuous, which is silly in a game where the major plot point is autistically discussing the mechanics necessary to kill YHVH.

I represent the s-p-o-o to the K to the I-E-S

>>158183710
Anyone know?

>>158183227
There was a second Soul Hackers but it was a japanese phone only game

>>158184528
Do you have homebrew on your 3ds? I'm not sure I can help you if not. You'd just need to download the save onto your SD card and have a program like jksv load your save into the game.

Why is Satan's design in IVA so great?

>>158185047
I'm not the anon asking about that.

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Just beat Apocalypse.
*Record scratch* nearly fucked me up hard with super nova, but Satan saved my ass with a Megido Ark.

Also, should I go with reincarnation restart or new life restart?

One part of me wishes to hold off on touching this game for awhile, while another part says I'll probably replay it soon.

>>158185248
Depends on if you want to play the game again, or cheese through the game fast. That's really the only difference.

>>158185857
Yeah I guess I'll just save reincarnation for law/chaos.

Though I don't think I could go through with killing Dagda in Bonds.

>>158186168
You killed all your friends and somehow killing Dagda gives you pause? lol that was the best part of Bonds.

>>158185047
Not that anon but could i use microsd management to edit my save for IV? I've transferred the data but i don't understand how it all works, i don't even know how to find the data for IV

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>>158186243
I did not care for my "friends"
Navarre and Gaston were the only two I liked.

Dagda was pretty cool and just wanted to turn humans into gods.
I'd prefer to be his friend.

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I regret nothing

>>158186594
He enslaved you, wanted to kill all of humanity, and consume your friends souls as fuel to make a universe.

Killing him was a joy.

>>158186664
how

>>158186664
Cheater!

>>158186710
>He enslaved you
You didn't have to become his puppet, you could have just died.
>wanted to kill all of humanity
Correction, he wanted to get rid of the human body, but not the soul.
>consume your friends souls as fuel to make a universe.
And this universe would hold all sorts of life in it, so 6 people dead is better than all of humanity gone.

Yo so what's up with Dagda eh?

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>>158184528
I haven't been working on it lately, I'll probably finish it before the month ends

Fuck they should have never released Strange Journey, why is it so fucking good? I can't play any other RPG or Megaten games without comparing them to SJ god fucking damn

>>158186543
No I don't think so.

>>158187348
Maybe you should play more games idiot

>>158187373
Figured, i just wanted all the demons so i could breeze though and get all the endings

>>158187164
I'm am excited to see the final product then. It gon be gud

>>158187348
I dunno, man.

It annoys me sometimes.

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I AM STARTING A NEW NOCTURNE FILE

NAME MY CHARACTER

going world of strenfgh obviously

>>158187470
Beefy Swole.

>>158187470
First name FUCK YOU
Second name FUCK YOU

>>158187470
Chad Virgin

>>158186741
save editing

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>>158187634
>tfw you don't how to save edit

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>>158187510
>>158187546
>>158187591
all shit

you blow

>>158187735
whats your nintendo FC ill trade you mine

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>>158187761
You blow, faggot.

>>158187470
Hair Boner

>>158186664
>Demons are stored digitally
>Hacking demons
seems legit

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>Oh did you spend macca and XP on Expel and Electric mantra? Here's an Expel/Electric party member!

Why is this allowed?

>>158188029
He may start out with those skills but that doesn't mean that's what he has to be. Cielo is the worst party member in DDS1 anyway.

>>158189038
Simply ebic

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>>158189038
These are the casuals I share a general with

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>Toki says that no matter what choice i make, she'll be with me
>Immediately turns against me if i side with Dagda

So much for me being her Master, huh?

>>158189791
She wants your dick

>>158190008
And yet, she turned on me.

Guess she didn't want me that badly.

Eh, doesn't matter, i'll just kill her and bring her back as my brainwashed cocksleeve Goddess.

Although i wanted Nozomi since i prefer grown women over lolis.

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>>158190329
Gay.

>merkabah
>use hexagram
>one-shot almighty move
XDD

pls help ;_;

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>>158190329
>being ok with brainwashing
back to plebbit you worthless lawshit

>>158190589
No, you.

>>158190628
You just have to hope the move misses.

>>158190678
Nigga, i'm a Chaosfag.

Total Unlubed Newfag here.

With what SMT should I start, if I only played Persona 3 and 4?

I kinda want to get penetrated by the game, but at the same time I don't...

>>158190803
>misses are my only chances
what a great fight

>Fighting YHVH
>Infinite Power
>No Dekaja
>Gaston jumps in
>Dekaja's
Damn why are you so good Gaston?

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>>158191337
>no dekaja

which stat are broken in SMT4?
like magic in devil survivor

>>158191562
He has that one move that Dekaja's. I think it was called something pierce but I don't remember.

>>158191758
STR is broken in the sense that it doesn't actually work lol. Go Dx or Mag

>>158191927
are the recruiting a total guesswork? I'm about couple of hours in, and still cant figure out how to not get scammed

>>158192170
>are the recruiting a total guesswork?
Yes.

The secret is:
The higher the level difference, the higher the chance. Go to a previous area, recruit, then fuse them up.

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>>158191315
>i have to fight lucifer right after

Do choices in boss fights affect alignment in Final? or whatever point system it uses for bond/massacre.

>>158192790
Obviously yes

>>158192790
Points don't lock your path in Final though If you've been a nice Nanashi and go Massacre all of your items get destroyed and if you've been a bad Nanashi and go Bonds your stocked demons get deleted.

>>158192929
>>158192932
So if Dagda agrees with my choice during a boss battle, I get bad Nanashi points. And if friends agree I get good Nanashit points. It also filled the partner gauge. Seems more beneficial than getting bad points.

>>158192790
Some of them do.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/181823-shin-megami-tensei-iv-apocalypse/74434976

>Hikawa is the only legit summoner in Nocturne
I mean his design seems like it fits into the spin-offs.
Though his methods of doing so seem l impractical. Having to lug that obelisk rather than a stylised COMP.

>>158193147
Dagda gives you buffs if you agree with him. Your friends give you assist gauge. But yeah, it's generally better to side with your friends because Dagda's one guy and there are like 10 of them lol.

Just don't regret it in the future.

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>>158189038
>particle acceleration has +5 affinity
>pair production has +4

>>158193163
After tallying it up, I am at 0. Atleast I know I can safely choose from here.

>>158193419
Ah ok, I didn't notice the buff.

>>158193615
>Ah ok, I didn't notice the buff.
It's not always. He only gives on cetain fights.

>>158193520
You're able to change the skill level of skills. The skill levels are just leftover the the skills I replaced I was just too lazy to make the levels the same.

>>158193861
Is there an editor like for SMTIV or are you simply hex-editing the exported save?

>>158194014
There's no editor. Just opening the save data with a hex editor and trying to figure out where everything is. Figured out where Stats, Max HP, Max MP, Current HP, Current MP, Skills, Skill Levels, Skill Affinities, and where Level is. Still no idea where the demon ID is. Want to edit some of my demons into The Hero, Aleph, and Demi-Fiend.

>>158193680
I see. the partner gauge seems better though since it skips enemy's phase. Though I didn't notice how much it increases by. Not that far into the game, just defeated Sukuna-Hikona on Odin's request to break a seal. According to >>158193163 breaking the seal gives me a huge lead on the path that rocks. I'm still not sure which I want to do first.

>>158194146
You probably know all this small stuff mentioned here already, just throwing it out for everyone else:

https://gbatemp.net/threads/shin-megami-tensei-iv-final-apocalypse-save-editing.429818/

Unfortunately they never got into IDs or compendium because it's all a hot mess I guess. How to differentiate between random encounter demons and standard compendium ones, registered/unregistered, updated/past ...

>>158194437
Massacre is the better path

>>158194483
Sure why not. I'll take the path that rocks. By the by, when do I get another skill slot and how many app points does it require?

>>158194437
Partner gauge when full skips the enemy phase, does a multitude of attacks, has your reserve allies heal/buff you and gives your team smirk. Dagda just gives you buffs and reduces the partner gauge. So yes partner gauge is much better. And that's kind of the point.

Also you have to break the seal. Dagda will possess your ass to do it even if you won't.

>>158194816
I think you get an extra skill slot soon and I think it's 30-50 app points. Don't remember all too well.

>>158194957
I expected these choices don't change the story but I said yes and accumulated +11 Bad Nanashi points. +3 more for leaving Pascal in tears after those events.

>>158195167
Damn I'm also saving up for MP recovery as well. These apps are pricey.

>>158195447
>+3 more for leaving Pascal in tears
You monster. Also don't believe in anons' lies.

The massacre ending is open ended. Not nearly as good as the other one.

>>158195508
Massacre is better because of what happens to YHVH in it compared to the Bonds ending.

>>158195508
I plan on doing multiple runs. Kind of weird that I intentionally opened the ark and right after I have to fjnd Flynn and warn him. Why does Dagdaallow this?

>>158196093
He has a plan. I don't want to spoil.

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>it's an ending that ignores alignments is the best ending episode

>>158196265
So Law and Chaos endings? LOL

Navarrw destroyed all my armor kits and incense and I still think he was the best partner.

Damn it why do I have to fight so much in this game?

I just want to fuck Asahi while Dagda watches.

>>158196214
That is what I was thinking since he allows this. Was mostly siding against it since I figured it was just poor narrative.

>demon gets blown away during boss battle
JUST

>>158197050
Why is this even a thing?

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>>158182149
Would you enjoy a VR smt? I think it would fit the franchise perfectly if done well

This screen for example would look really cool

>>158197404
It depends on the gameplay. If it was turn-based, I'd be very interested in how they would do the transition between walking around on the map and getting into battle. It could also open up a lot of possibilities for immersion.

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>>158188245
I like efficiency. If I knew his stats I'd have leveled differently.

>>158189038
>dual screens
>all that info available all the time

I have to get a 3DS, I can only imagine how comfy it is to play SMT on it.

>>158197050
Its a stupid mechanic

Even in persona the most you get is shocked (Zio) or freezed (Bufu)

Fucking force

>>158197134
I don't know but it puts me on edge when bosses have Zan skills. Sometimes lost demons find items for you when you get them back though.

>>158198005
Having dual screens is pretty nift when done right.

>>158198384
Which is weird since they removed shock and freeze status. I kind of miss the Stone + Zan combo as well. Also why is it in Persona it is called Garu instead of Zan?

>>158198563
Zan and Garu used to be different effects alongside eachother.

>>158198824
Yeah but I mean they do the same even now. So why have it be named differently?

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Hi /smtg/, I need your help
I'm playing SMTIV and I need a Corpses for a fusion.
I'm trying to get it from fusion accident by fusing a dead Mad Gasser and a dead Tonatiuh, and than fusing the result (Lv.42 Balor if no accident) with a dead Slime.
My question is: is there a combination that gives an higher chance to fuse a Corpses by fusion accident than the one I'm already using?

>>158200081
Are you getting all your frontliners Sick on top of this?

Any tips or recommended demons to use against En no Ozuno?

>>158200295
No. Does that raise the possibilities of obtaining either a Corpses or a fusion accident?

>>158182149
Does anyone else think its wierd that heroine in 1 just died and got reincarnated, and the game just treats her like nothing happened?

>>158200295
that's only for iva

>>158197404
It would be cool if it was a first person dungeon crawler like SJ and the first 2 games.

>>158182212
Somebody else is playing it with my save file. That's good enough for me.

>>158182212
I am very busy playing Dragon quest right now I held off on playing it since IV:A came out.

>>158190678
>law
>going massacre

In the poll earlier, massacre was filled mostly with chaos. Most chaos go massacre, neutral is split leaning bonds, and nearly all law go bonds.

>>158195827
The exact same thing? The difference in ending has nothing to do with what happens to yhvh.

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>Save Midori from Beldr
>not even 2 hours later she's in trouble AGAIN
Stay put you otaku piece of shit.

>>158201048
*Record scratch* won't be able to return due to all humans dying, those who believe in him included, unlike bonds.

>>158201221
That's incorrect, actually. Its something people thought the point was before the game came out since atlus is terrible at explaining their own rules, or being consistent. People don't have to know the name yhvh for him to come back. He's an embodiment of a certain type of idea, and can draw form from that idea whether or not anyone is actually thinking of the word yhvh. YHVH warns you that he can return on both endings. Gods can even outlive the death of their universe without needing to revive. Which is why dagda and danu are in yhvh's universe to begin with, despite him usurping them. And steven shows you that some gods, like the goddess of tokyo are still around, and will still try to return in their specific form.

The fact that gods can return past death was never even in the old games meant to be a specific foreshadowing of a specific event that can be avoided. It was a general warning that the struggle never ends, and that since they are embodiments of ideas, those ideas will always return in a new struggle at some point.

>>158191260
Still here? Go with Nocturne.

>>158184017
>killing off large chunks of humanity in an alternate dimension
Which would have happened in this universe without the firmament.

>>158191260
Play smt4

Smt4 is easily the best smt game.

>>158191260
SMTIV

Dear god I forgot how much I fucking hated the Tower of Kagutsuchi

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>>158203139
it's a shame smtiva shat on it's legacy

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Hee-Hoy fuck DeSu.
I can never recruit one of these fuckers.

What are the best smt youtube channels?

>>158204693
Johneawesome is the most bearable one. He actually knows what he's doing.
KZ and Sirlionhart both play a lot of smt as well but they're either bad/cringy or annoying most of the time so I don't really watch them often. There's a few more nowadays with SMTIV and Apocalypse.

>>158204693
The only ones I can even think of is Fither, some channel run by some random black dude, and the guys who did Cathedral of Shadows.

>>158204792
Even if all his commentary is trying to vaguely remember something interesting to say about whatever demon he's fighting, going "well kind of like" six times, then admitting that he doesn't really know.

>>158204693
Oh, I also like Raidou Frost but he's more old school

>>158204693
The compendium.

>>158204945
Hence me saying most bearable. Even more so when compared to the others.
But anyway guys that's like, it for today, I'm just gonna go and do stuff you know

>>158204945
oh and THE GINZA and THE SHESHA trigger me really hard

>>158204829
>Cathedral of Shadows
>>158205036
>The compendium
Don't joke around like that.

>>158205142
>>Cathedral of Shadows
I never watched them, I just know they're a thing.

>>158201207
You can't save people by doing nothing.

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I feel attacked.

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Is demon negotiation in 1 even more RNG than usual? I've spent like 20 turns defending and trying out ALL talk option combinations with both a Pixie and a Brownie and no luck. I mean, should I just spam A and hope it joins me? I don't get it. I've 12 INT too, should be able to, right?

I just checked those DLC info logs from Apocalypse... so even YHVH was just created by human observation, and he just wasn't bound by "language" by avoiding human contact, unlike the other demons? That's pretty lame. It also means that all gods are just talking shit when they say that humans ruined them since they all come from humanity in the first place.

I prefer when there's some kind of actual mythology beyond human thoughts, rather than all gods basically being blind idiots who don't realize that their own past doesn't exist.

>>158205935
>YHVH was just created by human observation
What does that mean? YHVH existed way before humans did.

Looking for some advice as someone still relatively new to SMT. Have only completed 4, 1 and DS:OC

A problem I have with these games is that outside of my hero character I'm clueless on how to build a party. I know to have the obvious healer. But I'm always terrible when it comes to fusing monster for duffs/debuffs and ailments and such.

Should I have a dedicated ailment/magic demon in my stock for random mobs and such? sorry if this seems like stupid rambling. Also whats the best demi fiend build? STR/VIT/AGI? And heatwave or beserk?

>>158206101

It's from "Special 2: What is Observation?"

>As described by Stephen, "observation" (sometimes described as "understanding") is the ability humans possess to give structure to the formless. In this instance, "observation" has nothing to do with sight, but rather human perception. It is an extension of the philosophical concept of "qualia" or individual, subjective experiences. For example, the sensation of seeing color is not easily communicated, yet something humanity possesses a shared understanding of. Likewise, YHVH only exists because of this shared observation.

The implication seems to be that he isn't really the "creator", but just the concept of a "creator god" having taken form due to human thought. Afterwards, it goes on to talk about how language causes those concepts to change in nature, and it's the power of language that Dagda and the other gods want to eliminate, and it's the one that YHVH avoids by avoiding direct contact with humanity.

>>158206224
What I did is make demons that are dedicated to one task like.
I have an Odin who is soley used for elec attacks.
Here is what he looks like.
>thunder reign
>thunder gods
>concentrate
>Elec pleroma
>high Elec pleroma
>Drain force
>enduring soul
>elec
You can have multiple demons dedicated for one thing since you can have like 12 with you at a time.

>>158206101
Humans and demons / gods are inherent aspects of reality across all worlds. The implication seems to be that the great will existed before anything. Various aspects of it had vague sentience, but no tangible existence. Humans existed first. Human thoughts divided parts of the great will into specific gods. But past then, it can go either way. In yhvh's universe he existed before the humans that lived there. He presends that this makes him a creator. But all it means is that he created this universe, and shaped the form humans would take in it. Humans existed before this universe in another.

>>158205935
>I prefer when there's some kind of actual mythology beyond human thoughts, rather than all gods basically being blind idiots who don't realize that their own past doesn't exist.

Yeah. This is kind of the problem with some of the plots, and especially iva. It seems like the gods just can come with prepackaged pasts that never existed. And you can make duplicates. Dagda is danu's only son, so if she has another one... its another dagda that is a clone. That just seems like taking the gods = ideas metaphor way too literally.

>>158206429
>and it's the power of language that Dagda and the other gods want to eliminate

Dagda isn't just trying to erase language, but observation in general. And the other gods don't want to erase observation. In the interview, they said that the divine powers just want a specific form of human observation, like gods are wont to do for their benefit. Even dagda can't make a world where none exists. Just one that tries to minimize it.

>>158206429
So are you saying the gods and demons we see aren't actually the true ones, but merely an interpretation of what humans think they are?

How can humans create something with just a thought?

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>>158206429
>Afterwards, it goes on to talk about how language causes those concepts to change in nature, and it's the power of language that Dagda and the other gods want to eliminate, and it's the one that YHVH avoids by avoiding direct contact with humanity.

I'm still trying to find anywhere in the main game text that actually implicates this. All Krishna seems to care about is that the enforced failure of humans to definitively observe YHVH is one of the several cogs in his perpetual adulation machine (more robustly supported by things like Lucifer being a controlled opposition leader, limiting humans' total observation capabilities via the parameters of the human form, etc.). This random swerve into "but language is the crux" just makes me flash back to pic related.

>>158206703
>Dagda isn't just trying to erase language, but observation in general.
If he erased observation altogether, he'd just disappear. If even YHVH relies on observation to exist, there's no way Dagda is above it.

Here's the 2nd half of Special 2:

>Of course, forms of communication are necessary in order for humans to share their observations with one another. But once framed by language, these concepts change in nature. In effect, they become bound by language, much like the shared understanding of YHVH. What Dagda and the Divine Powers seek to do is free themselves from the restrictive, limiting existence forced upon them by language. Because YHVH never revealed himself to humanity, he is not bound by language the same way Dagda and the Divine Powers are.

>>158206943
>How can humans create something with just a thought?

SMTIV itself had established that the Expanse, from where the invading demons came, is shaped by human's collective thoughts somehow. It just hadn't established that EVERY demon is created by human observation/understanding.

>>158204693
Omegaevolution and MasterLL had good vids of MT games

>>158205878
It's pretty random, yeah. And it can fuck you over by demanding a gem in the middle of conversation, angering them, and them ambushing you.

Give yen/macca instead of magnetite, and only recruit what you need earlygame.

>>158207646
Ok, thanks for the tip.
>and only recruit what you need earlygame.
But my autism! I need to catch them all

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Dagda is my best friend.

Say where are the Govt building in SMT1? Never been there
>>158207234
So we're persona now?

>>158206224
I think you might be overthinking it. Generally I just make sure that the skills I want (at least one of each element, healing, buffs, etc.) don't leave the "DNA" of my party, and that they get on demons who lean the right way (keeping Agidyne on Mag demons instead of Str demons for example).

Demifiend is primarily Str and secondary Vit/Agi. Maybe don't totally ignore Magic, it counts for magic defense. And Heat Wave is better.

>>158208082
>Maybe don't totally ignore Magic, it counts for magic defense.
It doesn't, that's in DDS.

>>158208258
Might want to get someone to fix the pastebin, then.

>>158207728
Well there's no compendium fuckboy

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Fucking lel

>>158208859
What about demon analyse?
Also where does the wiki get the description from anyway? Official material?

>>158209343
Wikipedia/compendium entries from games that have compendiums.

>>158209343
I'm pretty sure a majority of data is complied from Japanese sites that have autistically scrubbed the game and the game's code.

Just hit level 50, what's a good skill for my next sloot, never played a mag based MC
My current Nanashi setup is as follows:
Bufudyne
Agydine
Ziodyne
Zandyne
Concentrate
Mediarama
(blank)
[locked]

>>158201573
>It was a general warning that the struggle never ends, and that since they are embodiments of ideas, those ideas will always return in a new struggle at some point.
tldr the white were right

>>158209563
Judgement light is good for cleaning up random encounters
Otherwise get luster candy, debilitate, or magaon

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>>158209563
I went with Bad Company in that slot on my MAG run. Hell, on my STR run too. Don't underestimate that kind of panic button.

>>158206429
>>158206989
>>158207108
Atlus can't write and the more they focus on this autistic "How YHVH gets his power" rabbit hole, the worse their story gets.

>>158209702
>evil will never be gone completely
>so we should all just die
lol no White are nihlist crybabby pussies.

>>158186960
>You didn't have to become his puppet, you could have just died.
so? He still enslaved you.

>Correction, he wanted to get rid of the human body, but not the soul.
His goals align with YHVH then

>And this universe would hold all sorts of life in it, so 6 people dead is better than all of humanity gone.
All of humanity being gone was never on the table to begin with. But the total eradication of the souls of six people close to you is worse than what you do to Daga.

Wait how do I get to west Shinjuku park again? I've spent 30 minutes walking around Shinjuku and only found West entrance

>>158209563
>>158210004
Judgement Light is great, but Hamaon or Mudoon are solid choices as well, especially before you get access to pierce near the endgame. Luster Candy and Debiliate are better on demons, since your protagonist can probably do a lot more damage than they can.

Does anyone else hate how much the other party members shut down Navarre? Like even when Navarre is having a moment or trying to be serious someone has to shit on him. It's like Persona Q Teddie all over again.

>>158210801
He can take it

I am about to be crucified by coffee man and the scooby gang because my secret has been revealed. How far am I into the game? Percentage wise

>>158210658
they're the same thing

>>158210801
Honestly they sound much better on japanese dub, they try to make bants instead of outright insulting him like in english version
I despise him on IV but I've come to adore him trying to redeem himself especially after Gaston reveal

>>158210887
40% or so.

You know how it keeps saying X/8 moon? The final dungeon is at 8/8 moon. Use that as a guide.

>>158210872
Punished Navarre.

>>158210956
Thanks Anon

>>158210801
>tfw it will never be navarre time

>>158210937
I liked him in 4, as much as you can like any of the terribly written characters in 4. He was dead right about Casualries.

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>>158197404
Imagine a VR megaten with the style of SMT II or SH.

It would be an amazing experience.

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>>158197404
>SMT4A VR edition
>see everyone collapsing on the ground
>look around to see everyone's faces
>Flynn tells you to turn around
>pic related is at your face

Where is Masakado in SMT1?

>>158207108
>If he erased observation altogether, he'd just disappear. If even YHVH relies on observation to exist, there's no way Dagda is above it.

Err... that's his goal. Without observation, the vague mental data that exists in nature only exists as abstract vague data. That's what he wants to go back to. That's why you see him dissolve at the end of his ending. He doesn't want to exist as a tangible being. Read the iva interview, they directly say dagda wants observations not to happen.

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>>158212423
>mfw SMT becomes viral thanks to that scene in VR

>>158206943
They are the true ones in those games. There's no "more true" ones. The great will is the source and summation of all reality. But it has no diivisions in it. Humans are born into it, and by their mental constructs divide the divisions. There's no rule in nature that says lightning is a distinct thing from the air around it. But humans name it and hold it as an idea, and this can give birth to a now differentiated thunder god. The only explanation of how this works given directly was a vague offhand bullshit tie in to quantum observation deciding the outcome of something in an interview. They basically are just saying that human thoughts being continuous with everything else in reality differentiate what the actual barriers between gods are. But since gods are literally born of thoughts, as spirits it insists its plausible. The shred collective thought of thor existing and his content makes thor exist

You people do realise that demons have just been projections of human belief since Megami Tensei 1, right? This is just the first time they laid it all out in a single game.

>>158212676

But, according to the special file, that primary form that he wants to return only exists due to observation in the first place.

What he actually wants to stop is the effect of language, which is what transforms the nature of those vague forms into the demons we get.

How do I make a good Asherah? is Judgement actually good?

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>>158212975
no

>>158212662
Its been a while, but I think on an island to the north after it floods. One of the red buildings. You need to be neutral to talk to him I'm pretty sure.

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>>158212975
>current year
>anon still expects people on the internet to be well informed

This is not how it works, my friend.

Why is yhvh pronounced like a vcr rewinding

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>>158213065
Do you mean this? Because it doesn't say that. Remember in game he complains about pure nature becoming dagda and danu. He doesn't just want to lose his language bound form, but to stop being dagda altogether. When he rants about wanting to wipe every god from existence, its not really ambiguous. He definitely didn't mean have them stay around, but not be bounded by language. He rants about wanting to be wind, because he literally means he wants to erase any attempt to construct gods out of nature at all. Read that part of the interview.

http://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html#more

>>158213121
Judgement is garbage, if you need an almighty skill use antichthon or great logos
Even if you are low-level, almighty is not useful. Most everything has a weakness

>>158213380
Because his official hebrew pronunciation got lost in time, even some believe that spelling his true name is forbidden. So ATLUS rolled with the record scratch as an homage to that.

>>158213380
Because irl, jews have never been allowed to say it out loud, and how hebrew works means that it being written does not make the pronunciation clear. So no one even knows its original pronunciation anymore. Yahweh is an assumption, not something we know. So random mysticism treats it special as an unpronouncable word. The game is just referencing that. Without being clear whether the characters in game can't hear it either. If so, the in game reason would probably be that yhvh wants to prevent observation and binding by language of himself out of his current form, and so knowing his real name directly might make that harder? Its never stated though.

>>158213395
>He doesn't just want to lose his language bound form, but to stop being dagda altogether.

Wouldn't "Dagda" be his language bound form in this first place? The file outright says that "What Dagda and the Divine Powers seek to do is free themselves from the restrictive, limiting existence forced upon them by language".

There's no basic form before Observation if we go by what's explained in that file. He just wouldn't exist at all.

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>>158213575
>>158213596
Thanks for the lesson professors. I really appreciate it

>Start replaying Devil Survivor 2
>Very next day go to spend time with family
>At a used bookstore that also carries other stuff
>Spot DeSu2 Record Breaker among the games (had forgotten it even existed despite having overclocked)
>also got an 85~ value book for 25 hell yes
>Cashier lady looks over the boxart of the game, doesn't say anything about it
>get past merak first attempt by skin of my teeth
>underleveled like hell in Osaka that I'll have to bash my head in on some free battles
shiiiiet

>>158213879
>>also got an 85~ value book for 25 hell yes
AWW YEAH best feeling in the world right here.

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>>158213671
He wouldn't exist to /humans/

>>158213879
At that point there is a very fun spot-pass battle where you must rescue some shitty demon.

The battle with Fumi and rescuing that teenage edgelord are also pretty tight missions.

>>158213879
>>158214528
I meant nagoya sorry not Osaka Osaka was fine

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>tfw you get siphoned 40k Macca and never see that money again

Why macca beam exists?
What is the purpose of this skill? Just to fuck you over?

>>158213671
>"What Dagda and the Divine Powers seek to do is free themselves from the restrictive, limiting existence forced upon them by language".

This is lumping them together to give a vague overview of what they want. Their goals are not the same though. Every god wants to be free from language it considers detrimental to it. But dagda wants to go a step further. Saying he wants to be free of language doesn't mean ONLY language. Wanting to be free from observation necessarily entails being free from language.

>There's no basic form before Observation if we go by what's explained in that file. He just wouldn't exist at all.

You can't "not exist at all" in the megaten universe without erasing everything (and even then its ambiguous). Everything changes form and becomes something else. His entire point with humans is that they wouldn't rely on gods, and so hopefully wouldn't observe gods. How are they self reliant if they continue to observe gods? He WANTS to "not exist" in the sense of existing as dagda the god. You don't have to observe nature into existence. Its already there. From the interview:

> with Krishna’s modus operandi to have them see in a certain way, while Dagda doesn’t want them to see at all."

See here clearly means observe. Sure he can't totally destroy observation, so some observation will exist. But yhvh in game was observed, but not bounded by language. That's not what dagda wanted. He isn't just looking for a little more freedom about his form due to not interacting with humans, but to not exist as "dagda" at all. But reverting to nature is not exactly oblivion. As stated in dds2, the data of the world is like thoughts. So reverting back to nature, is still a vague existence. Just one few but dagda would prefer, since its similar to death for a demon. In SJ its even referred to as death for a demon to revert to ambiguous data within nature in this way.

>>158214723
to make you suffer

Hoy, /smtg/. In SMTIV my MC has Riot Gun, Heaven's Bow, Berserker God and Occult Flash. Which of those should I ditch for Desperate Hit? I was thinking Berserker god

>>158215252
At +9, Desperate hit will be much better than Berserker God, but starts off pretty weak.

>>158215396
You can pass along Desperate Hit to other demons right?

>>158215726
Nope

>>158213121
The only almighty skills worth grabbing are Energy Drain and Antichthon, the second of which is basically a more expensive Great Logos when you don't have a good way of smirking like a shitton of immunities, Smile Charge or crit fishing with multi-hit/target physical/gun skills. Access to attack items to exploit weaknesses for smirking with could also work I guess, since there's only so much room for all the different spells and affinities often make some choices not as worthwhile in IVA.

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>>158215726
>>158215920
Imagine nine Demonee-hos on the edge of a Gauntlet.

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>Miyata: Krishna is shown more like a human character rather than a god or a demon. This is underlined by the lack of effects of his voice as well as his appearance, close to an actual human.

>Apocalypse decides what paths are acceptable based on whether they count as sufficiently human.

>krishna looks and acts like a human to show that he is more human than other gods

>talks about lovign humanity

>even merges with a literal human, making him actually become half human

Lol, no dudes. You can't side with him. Here's two shitty endings instead.

>>158216053
Poo in vishnu

>>158215920

aw man. that's going to make getting it to +9 time consuming and pricey

>>158215726
Not without Demon Fusion Lite, and even then it's not gonna be in every possible combination you can fuse, choices with that app are fixed and probably based on "rank" like in older games.

>>158216053
Krishna does want to erase humanity by merging all humans into one and completely destroying individuality. After killing everyone of course.

Why is there a Krishna and VIshnu in IV:A? Aren't they like the same thing according to HIndu mythology?

>>158216328
Well, death in mainline SMT means about as much as death in most anime anyway so it's not really that big a deal that he wants to kill all of humanity.

>>158216384
Krishna is an avatar of Vishnu. What I'm more annoyed with is that you can't fuse regular Yellow Vishnu.

>>158216328
He clearly doesn't plan to literally erase all individuality. Because odin says that each god will get prayers from an equal portion of human souls. So not only do distinct souls still exist, but they are differentiated in some way where distinct gods still do too. So it'll be kind of like third impact, but where each god has human souls orbit around it.

>>158216384
No. Hinduism has a lot of different forms, but most commonly, krishna is an avatar of vishnu that is independently sentient. In game krishna even refers to flynn as kaliki, who is the last avatar of vishnu after flynn. Implying that this game is interpreting the avatars as pieces necessary to form the whole. Except one of them is flynn for some reason. Who is not a real avatar. Krishna just wants to merge with him, to get the power of krishna.

> I was also inspired by movies about Norse mythology and I thought that portraying Thor and the other Norse gods as aliens was an interesting idea, so I emphasised the alien (for the Japanese) image of the Ultra Hero.

apocalypse's odin is literally based on marvel movies. We've reached the end of days.

>>158216384
Yes, Krishna is one of Vishnu's incarnations, as is the "Kalki" he keeps referring to Flynn as. This is why Vishnu himself isn't available as a demon in IVA.

Still doesn't explain why Maitreya and Mithra Buddha are both available to us AT THE SAME TIME, and Daisoujou is STILL absent.

Also you can still fuse Black Maria despite Danu taking over her role from IV.

>>158216665
So it's like communism only we're the resource equally distributed.

>>158216793
Kaneko based SMT2 demons on a stephen king book and Terminator

>>158216793
>Scanners
>Nightmare
>chemtrail
Nothing new.

>>158216328
He's actually going to split those souls among the Powers like he says
He just wants to be at the top of the pyramid, like some sort of Axiom within the Axiom through which humans depend on to reincarnate

why does Cerberus have 3 heads in the newer games

>>158216841
Something like that. The game apparently expects us to assume without question that they don't care about humans much. But we are given little reason to assume this. Krishna talks more about loving humans than he does about other gods. Who he seems to care about much less than humans and is just using since he needs a side. All our evidence that the divine powers are bad is odin's throwaway line about gods getting an equal number of souls, and titan being a dick. But odin himself seems like a super nice guy, who clearly respects humans. He actively encourages you to beat him, and give you his weapon.

>>158217027
Because Cerberus always had three heads.

>>158216881
>>158216889
>Scanner
>Beatlejuice
>Christine
>Nightmare
>Terminator
>Audrey
>Redrum
>Friday

>>158216793
He means like Ultraman from the Tokusatsu series, though imagining gods as aliens is hardly a new thing in general, even if the most popular promoters of such theories come across as eccentric at times.

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>>158217186
no he didn't

>>158217006
He didn't say humans would reincarnate through him. He says that they will be deathless. Its more like SJs law ending than anything.

What the game makes ambiguous is whether the dividing of the souls happens inside of him, with him presiding over all gods, or whether it happens in general, and his salvation is only for his portion. But I highly doubt its meant to be the latter. Since we're never really given any indication that it will be like that. It comes off more like SJs law ending, except that instead of just one zelenin in the middle, the gods are evenly spaced within krishna, with people around each of them. But without the implied lack of movement.

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>>158217336
Yes he did

>>158217336
Megami Tensei wasn't very accurate.

>>158217336
>>158217027
>>158217186
It's an attempt a being more accurate to the mythology, though other than the color change I didn't find the design to be significantly different from classic Megaten Cerebus.

>>158216793
Odin is based of Ultraman you dumb fuck

>>158217761
>>158216793
Marvel inspired Doi to base him off Ultraman.

>>158217761
Do you not know how references work? HIs art being based on ultraman is not contradictory to that decision being made based off of something else. I.E. see the idea of norse gods as an alien in marvel, then want to do that, so wonder what a good artstyle to base it on is, then use that. You realize things can have more than one inspiration right?

>>158216793
>We've reached the end of days.
Odin is one of the best designs in Apocalypse and honestly more interesting than Kaneko's.

>>158218029
Honestly, I loved odin's design. It looked a little cheesy at first, but he was jsut all around a great character. And the way his bird flapped was great too. Too bad they had to make maitreya autistic as part of the muh anti friendship alignment.

>>158197404
Having the first person combat view while being able to look at your demons to your sides would be tits. You could use the PS4 controller as your comp and select actions from there.

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>SMTIVA is just one massive Dagda chuuni fantasy

>>158213879
I picked up a $200 RPG book for $20 recently, feels pretty good.
The septentriones are some of my favourite bosses in the genre. Say what you like about DS2's narrative it's not very good, the combat in the game is superlative.

>>158218940
i never realized how much fucking gold this guy struck by drawing this stupid cat, say they were selling posters of this fat shit and remembered when it was just a stupid collection of gifs people were posting

How do you make a good Alice now? You can't downgrade to Nadja anymore baka
Or should I just focus on Die For Me! ? seeing that you can get both normal and high dark pleroma and how they buffed dark

>>158220434
For her to truly excel you need dark pierce from mephisto.

I'm preparing for the final boss and Twisted Tokyo in SMTIVA, and I'm not sure what skills I need. My best demons right now are Matador with both Phys Pleromas, a full support Xi Wangmu, a healing Alilat, and an Inanna with Smile Charge. I have a Mastema, but I don't really know what to do with it. Is it better to make an all-elemental Demiurge or 4 demons for each element?

>>158221485
Oh yeah, and I was thinking of making a Belial, but I was worried that 70 is too low of a base level.

>>158221595
Belial's mediocre as far as Fire specialists go (pursuant to someone getting me potency numbers on Fire of Lethargy vs. Trisagion under nat crit/smirk/pleromas) but you need him on file for fusing Lucifer anyway. If nothing else, use him to mule things Lucy/Satan could benefit from.

>>158217151
>Atlus in charge of writing
How is it Persona can manage a more coherent universe than this shit?

>>158221982
>>158221595
Belial's fire damage is weak but the combo debuff fire is a great power. I didn't use it for YHVH.

>>158221485
That's a strong combo for YHVH. You mostly just need to be able to Magaon and throw a lot of debuffs and buffs around. YHVH is an aggressive debuff/buffer but he only tends to buff himself or debuff you once and never seems to use silent prayer, so if you attack him from both ends you can stay ahead.

Magaon is mandatory. Clear all enemy buffs is nearly mandatory.

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>>158222369
It doesn't.

That's why overanalyzing the overarching plot of a japanese role playing game made for teens and young adults will never do any good unless you have fun doing so.

Just enjoy the ride, pals.

>>158219215
The only SMT games I've played that had a plot worth a darn were Persona and DeSu1. I know when playing SMT that this isn't a franchise for people obsessed over plot. The waifus in DeSu2 are less offensive than Toki at least.

Also the robo-spacemans in DeSu2 are pretty strong boss designs for what Atlus can usually muster. The boss gimmicks in DeSu1 generally kinda sucked and almost every one of them were "Tyrant lock and DPS race" because you didn't have the actions to clean up after most of the gimmicks at play. (NB, I liked DeSu1 a lot. Just that it was clearly a virgin effort at SMT style FE.)

Robospacealium bosses in DeSu2 gimmicks play to the game's strengths. You have the tools to deal with them, and they aren't just "complete shutdown faster than your actions can clean up if you don't kill the boss in two turns"

>>158221485
You need Fiend fusions from Twisted Tokyo to add elemental pierces to element specialist demons.

One of the pay to win DLCs adds a demon shop that sells a Demiurge with all the severe damage element attacks, but it's crap since it doesn't come with Mana Surge or even Energy Drain. Still great for fusing into other things that need a specific element though. While the multi-hits only need 2 hits to do more damage, sometimes they only hit once, and sometimes you want to hit a specific thing in a group without spending a shitload of MP.

Do hordes always come with reinforcements? This is pretty tiring.

>>158223529
instantkills are your friend

>>158223529
Not always, but in Apocalypse it happens a lot.
In the original IV regular encounters could have reinforcements but I don't think I saw many, if any, from hordes.

>>158223763
Also I remember in Nocturne when I used an item to up the encounter rate and wound up with marathons of reinforcements every encounter while that was active. I think my record for reinforcements from that was around 10 or so. Good times.

>>158223529

>Go up against a horde
>Use Occult flash
>It hits only once and the instant kill connect

Always the best

>>158223529
yes, and around the time where kinsincho gets invaded hordes will get super strong as fuck and can 2shot your team most fo the time

MY DEMONS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT
BEHOLD MY DEMONS
PARDON ME

>>158224418
So Isabeu had a bunch of female demons.

What demons did Jonathon and Walter use?

Weird, I think my "Metal Emblem Set" of SMT: Apocalypse came with two "A"s instead of 3 different emblems.

>>158224871
E-mail the Atlus USA guys. They will hook you up.

>>158224931
But I'm from Brazil, it's an imported product, it will be a nightmare to trade, sadly.

MY FRIENDS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT

>First SMT game were the Demikids games for GBA
>play the rest of the games since then and now replay them

It's fun going back to it and trying to figure out which cartoon version of monsters were which.

Plus as a kid it was weird to me why you would help Lucifer

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>>158225180
That sucks man.

>>158224734
Walter used chaos demons
Jonny used Angels

>>158225252
Oh shit.

SOMEONE ACTUALLY PLAYED DEMIKIDS AS A CHILD.

>>158223676
I have some demons with Hama and Mudo skills but now they need smirk for instant kills. It sometimes feel like that phys/guns gain smirk easier than magic.

>>158223763
Sorry should have specified in Final but yeah, these reinforcements keep coming with hordes.

>>158224253
I need some instant kills. Not sure how early you can get them but i just finish opening the ark and I have to find Flynn now.

>>158224314
Oh joy,can't wait.

>>158224314

>>158225180
No harm in telling them, though. They might just send you the missing one anyway.

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Do any anons have the SMT IV artbook in english? Im having a bit of a dilemma on if I should order it in english for 45$ or save money with the japanese print at 25$ and get SMT IV + IV:A's artbook for a total of 55$ on Amazon JP.

I just don't know if the translation is worth it as I don't know if the SMT artbooks drop lore or fanwank like other big art books do, or it's just a collection of art and some artist interviews.

The world of smt2 is really cool I wish atlas remastered this game with smtiv engine this game is so easy you can just auto battle everything.

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>>158224871
Well, I guess this will bump the rarity of my collection someway, at least.

>>158227058
Yep, I think I will e-mail them just to inform about the error. Maybe they can give me some kind of digital bonus instead.

>replay Nocturne
>reached Ginza at lv15with every single level up point put into Lu
>don't really feel any luckier
On the other hand I just noticed how much value there is in holding onto your shitty demons from all the way back in the hospital.
One learns Rakukaja, another learns Tarukaja, and Pretas if by some miracle join up, start up with Sukukaja, and not only that but Kodamas get Anti-Force at lv7 which basically solves any future issues you could ever have with Matador.

There's also the fact that it seems the exp earned through sacrifice fusion stacks, so through a constant chain of them (kind of expensive, though), you can easilly set up your demons to gain a lot of levels fast.
Conversation skills are still shit though.

Just beat hecate in SMT 2 how much until I beat this game? Is their ng+?

>>158227431
Luck is pretty useless in Nocturne.

>>158227119
Peace is for pussies anyway

>>158227119
The cover is also has a poster on the back.

>>158226420
Crits tend to smirk a bit more often than hitting weaknesses, that's why I tend to use Steel Bazooka and its 2-6 hits for crit fishing(and procing binds/instant kills with the right bullets equipped). The +80 HP is also nice I guess.

>>158228257
kek, I didn't notice it had the pre-order poster in the back too, is this common?

>>158227431
Conversation skills suck, aside from maybe grabbing jewels with one of the trading skills, a couple of related demons will even give you a rare one when talking it out with each other the first time.

>>158228654
I don't think so I went through a couple of the game boxes I still had and none of them had anything in the back. Apocalypse is the only game I had like that.

>>158186710
The souls of the partners are parts of the universe. So your friends are the universe itself.

>>158228494
Should have gone Str or Dex.

>>158209702
The White only affect a minor, insignificant universe in the grand scheme of things and changes nothing, because as the Creator of DEVIL CHILDREN revealed she can recreate the from non existence. So Creators can undo the White.

>>158229006
Small consolation for their deadness.

Why does Danu call Inanna her mother but Odin doesn't call Dagda daddy in public?

>>158222738
The overanalysis is natural when so many of SMT's plot points hinge on the mechanics of their universe. The disagreement on Bonds vs Massacre is supposed to be an argument over humanity vs going beyond humanity, but it really just kinda ends up about "what is the way to kill YHVH" which just makes the whole thing some gay shonen power level argument.

If the question had been something honest about the nature of humanity then we wouldn't be here getting all autistic about some evil yellow dude.

>>158229910
Actually, if Odin split off from Dagda, if Dagda returned to being wind would Odin go with him? Would they be one again?

>>158225252
Lucifer is benevolent i Demikids because there is no YHVH, only benevolent Goddess who doesn't force people into pointless conflict to legitimize herself, because demons are fucking weird in Demikids cosmos.

Angels are still onsessed with Law though and all DemiKids are Chaosfags.

>>158229245

I went Luck instead while splitting Mag and Dex as secondaries early on then sticking with Mag since Gun has fuckall for skills, any encounter I start with a smirk is essentially a free win thanks to Judgement Light, and Shinno rounds make short work of mobs most of the time. I had Cold World for the longest time and only now that I'm fucking around in Twisted Tokyo decided to drop it for Ice Age to conserve MP, Ragnarok(or any other multi-hit med. spell) does ridiculous damage and Thunder Reign is the only other attack all severe spell that can hit a weakness so I went with that one over Thunder Gods, a lot of shit in the final dungeon hates Elec so at least one of those is good to have. For a magic build, stones and demons are good enough for Dark and whichever element(s) you don't have room for if you want to exploit weaknesses and want to make room for Energy Drain and support skills like Anticthon and Magaon.

But my biggest complaint about guns is that elemental bullets never crit, even while smirking, which is why I use the thing mainly for ailments now.

>>158230458
Yes as Dagdin.

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Since when luci was so based?

>>158184017
YHVH is hands off after he sets the pieces in motion. They do what they do because he has programmed them to do it, and being observed by humans has allowed them to change over time. Thus a Satan who split himself because YHVH wanted blood and conflict would change due to the power of observation, language, and having both a Chaos/Lawdrone inside himself.

Satan's rebellion was inevitable when YHVH set this plan in motion and humans confront the puppetmaster who revives them over and over for his goals.

>>158230654
I should also add that while the description only says light/dark for the hama and mudo stone types, they DO seem to able to proc the instant kill effects while smirking, and all stones are effected by Mag and Concentrate.

>>158229682
They aren't dead. They've become more than human. More than souls. They are reality and reality is them.

>>158231365
Less than human. They aren't capable of anything that made them human any more. They are building blocks. A canvas. Paper, at best. Their identities and everything that defined them wiped from existence forever.

>Odin fight
>Decide to ally with my friends
>Odin buffs himself to +3 in all stats
>Hope that Navarre will Dekaja him
>Navarre had Dekaja'd him last turn when he had +1 to one stat
>Navarre casts Rakukaja instead
>Odin uses Concentrate + Thunder Reign next turn
>Everyone dies

I should have listened to Dagda.

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>>158230827
When you strayed off the path, filth.

>7/8 moon
>real odin fight
>keeps fucking me with this concentrate+thunder bullshit combo
How can I not fucking die from this? My last try I had luster candy stacked like three fucking times and it still party wiped me. By the time I get to the like second or third phase of the fight MC is either dead along with my healer or will be next turn. This resistance pierce shit is fucking awful.

>>158231725
They became part of the universe on a grand scale, just like they all return to the Axiom and are reborn eventually anyways. They are still part of the Axiom and will continue to do so.

Unless a psycho like you goes White.

>>158230654
>>158231331
Seems like Magic is pretty nice. Currently going Ma/Ag/Lu with 1/1/3. Having fun with ailments and drops. Bind and Charm are really helpful for now. Will change it to 3/1/1 when Luck hits 90 though. Or maybe keep going with the original spread.

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>>158231756
B-but I went law

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Crossover when?