/dsg/ - Souls General

First for awesome DLC

THIRD FOR POISE

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PCFC is up @ HW dsg

Reposting from >>158165171

>>158164792
Sorry, I said third area but later said third DLC.

>>158164668
Let me specify: If giving painter girl the dark soul of man she asks for lets her make a new painting, I'd expect it to basically be Fishing Hamlet. Single boss, single area, maybe a couple of extra weapons, a spell, and one armor set. Not an entire separate DLC by itself.

>>158165207
>poise breakpoint info still not in the OP
Y'all are bad at this.

>>158165367
>Linking to Reddit

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>>158165336
sorry about casting black serpent in the middel of that fight

i set my controller down and hit button

>have two monitors
>DS3 doesn't capture the mouse properly
>keep clicking out of the window mid-duel and getting fucked
Japanese developers reeeee

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>this speed
>with this range
it's like swinging a spear like a longsword.

>>158165207
Add this to OP in caps so retards stop asking about it.

>poise patch 1.08
https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/58ru20/how_poise_works_in_108/

> carthus greatsword

> cgs buffed to have good poise health

>buffed to 50 inate bleed

Is it time?

>>158165401
Not that you idiot.
All of the info regarding poise breakpoints vs greatswords were posted and tested in /dsg/ earlier today.

>>158165442
wouldn't be surprised if regular R1s unironically outrange some spears

reminder to poise

>>158165442
And with the damage of a mediocre curved sword thanks to 3 way split damage at pvp levels

Sasuga fromsofto

>>158165448
in before OMG REDDIT

they literally ruined this already shit game

what actual fucking retarded gook niggers

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Miyazaki didn't really expect ANYONE to go NG+ right?

>Do the Siegward quest in my first playthrough
>go NG+
>can't find Patches anywhere in the Cathedral
>turns out that he doesn't show up if i have the armor (which i got from Siegward dying at the end of his quest)
>throw the armor to Siegward
>find Patches after getting the tower key
>buy the armor again
>wait for Siegward in the Boreal City
>doesn't show up at the fire
>turns out that me buying the armor from Patches was too complex for the game to understand
>need to throw the armor to Siegward AGAIN
>now can do the quest normally only to get rewarded with the armor again after finishing the quest again

>>158165529
it has as much damage as dark infused claymore even without a buff which coupled with its range makes this thing very formidable

>>158165529
Go ahead and show me the damage numbers you tested

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I've never invaded in previous souls games. Is it actually fun/do you have a sodding chance?

Bloodshades and Crusaders, am I right?

>>158165207
>forgetting the previous thread
>>158144498

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Big M has done it again

the game is actually fucking good again. I am a happy hebbel da pebble, /dsg/.

>>158165658
>Is it actually fun
Yes
>do you have a sodding chance?
No

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>>158165670

>>158165529
Against NPCs with player-like defenses it adds more than 50 damage per r1 which is more than enough for a weapon this broken.

>>158165605
>it has as much damage as dark infused claymore
As in, nothing..? You don't use dark infused claymore, you use longsword because dark longsword only has like 30 AR less

>>158165487
Post a pastebin link or something. We can't add the entire discussion to the OP.

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might stop fc soon, am hungry and tired will keep going for another 30 minutes or so, come fight all

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>mfw 60 poise literally lets you tank through any attack in the game

black flame has the highest poise damage, tied with the FUGS/BKUGS weapon art

>>158165721
50 actually, and that's on top of hyperarmor and massively buffed GS moveset with this patch.
But hey, keep fighting a good fight anon.

>>158165721
Not if you want that sweet HA, reach, self buff, style and speed. Now show me your damage numbers that you tested and the comparison with other weapons that prove your point.

>>158165838
>not using great hammer for MAXIMUM POISE

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Anybody have a full video demonstrating all the new DLC weapons?

I've seen webms posted, but would be nice to have a full showcase of everything.

>>158165702
>hebbel da pebble

Post it

>>158165690
>being blind

>>158165207
>>Previous
>>>158144498 →

>>158165936
>>158165838

Sorry not sorry for that Stance parry there

>>158165207
Copy+pasted all the breakpoint anon's posts and pastied them. I think. Might've missed one or two, feel free to fix it if so.

>Poise Breakpoints vs Greatswords
http://pastebin.com/LQiQAut0

>>158165732
The breakpoints for a greatsword 2HR1 are
31.4/45.06 For UGS and Greataxes

22.27/37.78 for Greathammers

Just put that in the OP.

>>158165838
Damn man, that was brutal. I actually managed to stagger you once between R1s with the axe, so it seems there's a pause to the HA.

So any crazy lore revelations with the DLC?

>>158165658
stick to non-meta SLs and you will have plenty of fun

>>158166109
Soiled Man is a painting.

What is the best sl for coop shenanigans ?

>>158166109
Pontiff came from a painting. That's about it

>>158166153
801

>>158165670
What about them Vicars?

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>>158166136
I'm invading in the CotD right now. I think the issue is that my weapons are too shitty.

Anyone know yet what they changed specifically about the Blind Spot WA?

t. Corvian GK

>>158166327
Faster and unparriable

>>158166327
They sped it up significantly and made it move you forward more. It also truecombos into an R1 now.

>>158166291
Do guerilla shit with obscuring ring, consumables and a crossbow. Bleed the host's estus.

>>158165584
>dark sigils are lost upon entering a NG+ cycle
>forced to level up 5 times again if you want to do Yuria's quest
Yeah, they didn't

>>158166436
I don't know if I'm good enough to beat the Abyss Walkers at low level, someone already beat The Dancer for me.

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What's the best build to destroy gankers?

>>158166291
Respec into a utility character. DS Greatbow, obscuring, poison, silvercat ring. Just mess with them until they fall off a ledge. That's how I had fun in that area.

You can always go SS with hornet ring and crit weapon if you just want to kill people.

Every hammer got HA or just the one with the mace moveset?

That last fight was pretty good Ley.

>>158166548
All
Except Drang :^)

>>158166374
>>158166386


Holy shit it's faster AND unparriable? Does it also have HA or anything like that?

Great to know, shitters in invasions unzip the caestus or small shield every goddamn time they see me rolling around. I'll definitely have to incorporate this into my play now, thanks for the heads up. Wonder how much damage it does, even better if it in fact true combos into R1 (and then likely the R1 spam "blender" as I call it)

>>158166583
You need to fix your internet, man.

>>158166656
No HA, fuck that.

Hmmmm...so the Soul of Cinder is in the intro. Who the fuck is he? Not the soul itself, but the coprse it's possessing. Was he the most recent Lord of Cinder?

>>158166529
If you don't need a whole laundry list of items or dead bosses I can respectively drop (read:ce) them or murder them.

>>158166678
nou

>>158166635
Thank god, I'll finally be able to spam R1 with poise using a fast weapon

>>158166703
I'm fine, thanks for the offer.

>>158166690
It's not a corpse, just animated armor infused with the souls of all those who linked the fire

wow okay, so poise works like das1 poise did, but only during attack animations that have hyper armor

i.e. 76 poise could survive a ugs swing in das1, 46 poise can survive an ugs swing in das3

this is the best system yet.

use poise if you use heavy weapons, don't worry about it if you like lighter/faster weapons

>>158166109
One of the three Sable Church founders (Elfriede) fucked off to hide in the Painted World. Old Painted World was crumbly, so she had a magical little girl (currently unnamed) paint over it with some guy's magical blood (Father Ariandel). Killing Elfriede makes Yuria say something about how she abandoned the Sable Church.

Sulyvahn was born in this painted world. He's literally someone's OC come to life.

Little painter girl is waiting on a slave knight (same npc who sends you to the DLC) to bring her the dark soul of man so she can use it as paint to make another painting. He doesn't do this, so presumably it's content from the second DLC.

Is Miyazaki a good person?

>>158166752
You need a shitload of armor to make it work though

>>158166790
No

>>158166790
He loves Lovecraft, Stoker, and the Berserk author so in my book, he's cool.

Hello guys I havent played in like 4 months.

Are Greatshields still pointless to use? How is the Claymore and Bastard Sword doing? And greatswords in general cause they were wet ass before.

My character I quit with was using the Wolf Knights Greatshield and a Bastard sword I loved that shit. But it was garbage.

>>158165805
Looks like you could use another host, so I'll start summoning.

>>158166681

Damn that sucks, I'll take the faster (did it used to true combo into the R1 or is that new since the patch?) and unparriable though, for sure.

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>>158165547
>OMG

>>158166873
Yhorm Greatshield is now meta because of poise

greatswords are way, way faster, and have longer range

>>158166880
Thanks, I'm about to head off anyway <3

>>158166873
greatshields were never pointless to use

greatswords are now meta-tier across the board

both of these weapons are S+ in viability and E+ in ease of use

>>158166782
Few details wrong.
Ariandel was the painter who restored the painted world. Little girl painter hasn't painted anything yet, she can't paint until she sees fire.

She's the next painter in line to paint a world. Each painter is inspired by the flames that burn the old world away, thus the painted world is continuously renewed through destruction and creation.

Elfriede wasn't responsible for the restoration of the painted world. She just fled there at some point and took it over.

GET THIS FUCKIONG PYRO OUT OF THE FC

>>158166790
He has good taste.

>>158166939
>Yhorm Greatshield
You realize that shit was nerfed to give like 6 poise now, right?

>>158166873
No, you were shit at using them
GS is meta now, claymore is still mediocre, bastard sword is still worse claymore tier, but all GS have wicked poise and HA along with a speed buff
WKGS in particular got WA speed buffs and is meta as fuck now
The WK greatshield is still hot trash though

>>158167018
GET FUCKED RETARD

What happened to the "decayed elegance" aspect of Dark Souls, the Miyazaki interview that said no grotesque shit, try to convey ruined beauty / power instead?

Why's 3 full of shit like the anus destroying pear torture device on Evangelists, maggot men, corvians, pus of man, pilgrim butterflies, Gwyndolin's still-alive and breathing corpse puppet slowly devoured over a long time, etc/

>>158167018
mad cause b a d

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>>158167018
Just let him do his thing, man. I appreciate being able to practice against casters, since I suck against them generally.

>>158166873
Poise has a function know so theoretically you could use Yhorm's greatshield, but beyond that they haven't changed at all
Greatswords are fantastic now because the patch upped their one handed attack speed, meaning it doesn't take 20 minutes of startup to swing your sword

>>158167020
6 poise is the difference between being poise broken or not for some builds

>>158167001
Oh, I see. So, the painted world experiences its own cycles of creation and destruction based on fire as inspiration.

How do we know we aren't in another painting?

>>158166993
>greatshields were never pointless to use

Sure did feel like it. All "git gud" responses aside (not responding to that shit) the relentless onslaught from enemies in PvE made rolling way more effective than blocking with a shield. I do remember the Havel Greatshield meme though.

>>158167018
Just CE in a homing curse projectile with high speed or give your fists instakill

>>158167020
This is intended, and also EXTREMELY important anon-kun.

Yhorm's greatshield gives a very substantial amount of poise for relatively little weight. This can mean the difference between meeting or succeeding a poise breakpoint.

please don't spread misinformation being that as you don't understand how the new system works

>>158167071
It's the end of the fucking world, and the Abyss/Deep has corrupted everything.

Never played a faith build before, could someone tell me how much more AR you get from lightning blade or DMB compared to just using resin (I assume dark would be the best)?

Trying to figure out if it's worth getting 30 faith to use with my Corvian GK

>>158166535

Cursing them

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alright gonna stop hosting now, goin 2 sleep, was fun

someone else started hosting one tho so whoever that is, thanks

this fucking annoying cuck pyro exploits poise to land sacred flame

sick of this shit

>>158167314
Thanks 4 host

>>158167018
>>158167183

Lol /dsg/ is a bunch of manbaby shitters isn't it?

I was thinking about joining but honestly after this whole pyro tantrum thing that's gone on since last thread, you just lost yourselves another possible member.

>>158167203
How? We killed everything in the Abyss three fuckin times including the master of it

What would look better as Freddy Krueger's sweater? Undead Legion armor for the red and black cape edginess, or Firelink Armor for the black and red scheme?

>>158167071
None of that is grotesque, the pus of man is weird oily abyss shit, pilgrim butterflies are super fucking cool cause they look like nervous system dragons made of wood, corvians are plain ugly, evangelists are evil, and Gwyndolin's corpse is just his model stuck on a goop. None of that is gratuitous, overtly disgusting or pointlessly graphic

>That double KO
Fuck, that was good.

>>158167071
Bamco wanted their yearly Dark Souls game, so 3 turned out passionless and safe, which extends to the enemy designs, so you get gross blood and goo monsters because that's what dark medieval fantasy games are supposed to have right

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>>158167336

>>158167346
>Thinking anyone cares
You're not quite as bad, but you're certainly not much better than the other whingers

>>158167136
The process of paintings is directly contrasted against the real world by one of the NPCs.
They compare linking the fire to letting the world "rot" and suggest that it's better to let things die so that something new can take their place.

The implication is that when the fire consumes the painting, all of its forlorn inhabitants will die with it, and they're okay with that. They're happy to end so a new beginning can take their place, contrary to the firelinking quest you're undergoing.

>>158167314
Thanks for hosting.

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I didn't go to this FC but what is this >>158167336 butthurt anon was using? CCS? Some kind of snowflake weapon?

>>158167421
actually no, medieivelivleilv games are supposed to have big dudes in armor but everyone that has played dark souls 2: scholar of the first sin, aldia, knows that isn't true so

>>158167228
Either you got 60 or you go home
or you go 15 and use shitty BW
It's like 180 extra elemental damage at 60fai with DMB/LB

>>158167404
HA is too fucking good, man.

>>158167336
>not rolling away immediately when sacred flame starts its insanely long windup

jesus, poise or not how fucking bad can you get, kid?

just uninstall, man. holy fucking shit, sacred flame... jesus fucking christ man get the fuck out of this general.

>>158167404
Yeah that was some good stuff. I love close endings like that.

>>158167510
Mostly casting but also a GFS and CCS.

>>158167071
Souls series always had grotesque torture devices on display, and occasionally occupied by a body. They just never showed them in use.

Maggot men are fallen, deformed people who were transformed through their devotion to a goddess, same as the crow women in DaS1 Painted World. Unless you mean the mass of maggots, in which case they're just Leechmonger-lite. Pus of man isn't exactly grotesque, it's just the logical end of the dark soul seeking a will of its own as its always done. Pilgrim butterflies are pretty and clean, not sure how you got grotesque out of that. Gwyndolin is the epitome of decayed elegance, and not a drop of blood is spilled, even.

Souls was always horrific, it just never wallowed in it. The horror was only ever treated as a side effect of the main things going on, and not commented on, which only really made it scarier.

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>>158167421
Dark Souls 3 has the best monster design in the series.

>>158167185
>Yhorm's greatshield gives a very substantial amount of poise for relatively little weight
>relatively little weight
it weights 20.5

>>158167563
Not the pyro, is he that havel minmax kid who keeps shilling how "great" he is?

>>158167591
use a LKLS then

>>158167569
>Pilgrim butterflies are pretty and clean
With those exploded, reversed rib cages??

>>158167510
I'm pretty sure the pyro guy is the one posting those. It's just a cry for attention

>>158167579

Demon's Souls does, don't even try to pretend otherwise

Blooborne is actually the best

Does anyone here have experience using SCP Toolkit to use their PS3 controllers? I need help with them.

Every time I try installing the SCP controller stuff for my PS3 controller, I run into issues. The program is detecting my controller and can interact with it (changing what LED lights are on, for example) but the controller doesn't do anything. I installed it properly before, so I don't know what I did wrong now. There's not much to do wrong given how quick the installation is, but here I am with issues. Can someone tell me what could have went wrong so that the program interacts with the controller but the controller doesn't control the game?

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Holy shit, just got summoned by a Guts who actually tried to be Guts.

>>158167591
I think he was being sarcastic.

>>158167690
Yes. As opposed to what, Gaping Dragon's exposed rib cage which it used as teeth? The giant, pustule-ridden, bloody, writhing beating heart that was the centerpiece of Latria?

>>158167769
why dont you either buy a cuckstation 4 or use an xbox controller?

playstation controllers are so fucking inferior anyway

i will never understand the cuck mentality of sonyggers

>>158167690
Rib cages made of wood and barely resembly anything MEATY

didn't get an answer last night

I'm trying to change my character's name manually via Cheat Engine since the table broke, I can find two addresses when I search for his name, but trying to change either of them doesn't work and the changes don't stick. What am I doing wrong and how do I fix it?

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The price on this DLC is really putting me off when I compare pre-release details of the content compared to both Bloodborne and DaS2.
I might just wait to buy the Season Pass for once down the line once the second dlc gets announced.

>>158167830
Because I'm not going to buy a controller entirely for the purpose of playing on the PC.

>>158167672
He's just using UGSs.

>>158167491
>They compare linking the fire to letting the world "rot" and suggest that it's better to let things die so that something new can take their place

They're clearly biased, they have one of the Sable Church sisters running the show there. And they're only in the painting in the first place because they gave up on real life.

Did that last sentence sound like a satire of video games? Because I didn't mean it that way.

>>158167908
Bloodborne had ONE dlc...

>>158167672
Just ignore him

Whoever that was with the FUGS

That was fun lol

double KO

>>158167579
That enemy is one of my favorites in the series. The incredibly unnerving design, the way its attacks flow, etc. Shame they're stuck in Missed Opportunity: The Area and most of them are stuck together in a room where they're annoying to fight.

Seriously, I wish the Profaned Capital was bigger. The atmosphere is ominous, but then you realize it's just a walkway up to the boss.

>>158167921
this is probably the dumbest thing ive ever read in my entire life in this entire general

this is the general where lucifaggot, jojoposter, drake, 4kings, and all of the other notoriously retarded shitposters like to dwell, and you've actually managed in succeeding to out-stupid all of them

i hope you stub your toe on a scorpion, you cheap lazy bastard

>>158167491
Except Londor is always described in-game as a fucking hellhole. They work for Kaathe (or did, if the Japanese translation is correct), mister destory Ooacile unleash dark wraiths to destory New Londo.

The dark is always evil. All the main baddies are usually dark related.

About to fire up ds3, only played sotfs before. Are rapiers still op?

>>158167987
>expecting a Jojobrony PCuck to know anything
ignore them

>>158167908
Bloodborne's DLC was originally going to be two, but they combined them and sold it as one. That's why it seemed so stellar, because it was two DLCs worth of content and story.

They're sticking with the game plan this time though, so we get one DLC's worth of DLC twice, and maybe a special bonus for buying both if you're really lucky.

>>158167672
>upcoming dlc
>newmeat coming in this gen to shit it up
What a surprise

>>158168126
No but carthus curved swords are

>>158168132
I'll have you know I post Griffith now

>>158168126
Straight swords are the new PVE-dumpsterer

>>158167757
DeS creature design is great because every monster feels like it belongs in the area its found in. My favorites in DeS are the Giant Depraved Ones and the Bearbugs (shame the latter are awful gameplay-wise)

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What's up with black serpent going the complete wrong way but still hitting you?
It seems to happen a lot even on good connections

>>158168079
>Shame they're stuck in Missed Opportunity: The Area
Watch it be related to the next DLC.

>>158168124
>Except Londor is always described in-game as a fucking hellhole
Reminder: Londor is such a hellhole that they consider Dead Again to be a blessing, and Atonement to be words of forgiveness.

Hand ogres, pus of man, and Aldrich are also abyssal-type monsters, so shit like that would be kinda normal there.

>>158168132
>Jojobrony PCuck to know anything
Because a PCuck would mention Bloodborne in any positive light. I thought dsg's shitposting was supposed to come from Lucy and Four Kings poster?

>>158165932
I got a video with the weapon arts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2NGjoCgqnU

Most of the movesets are identical to other ones, I have the moveset videos if you want but the weapon art is the big thing really

>>158168245
Is pve noticeably different with the new poise system?

>>158166769
My problem with new poise system is only havels is useable

It kills my fashion boner

>>158168428
Pc cuck poster is the four kings poster, anon.

>>158168458
I don't think anyone really cares about weapon arts, they didn't end up being the game-changing things Fromsoft thought they'd be.

PCuck Fightclub Boyfriend

>>158168528
oh look its this kid again
prove im 4kingsfag, i'm not a PCuck, 4kingsfag was like you
maybe youre 4kingsfag and are projecting hard

Can Lothric Knight Long Spear poise through attacks at any point with the new patch, or no? Even with full havels? Even with wolf ring +2? Even with yhorm's GS?

So
What's the verdict on the earthseeker? I'm really looking forward to using it on my FAI/STR character

>>158168528
Only the valorheart, the scythe, and the crow quill have truly unique movesets

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>>158168518
You only need 46 poise. Click this button and select the poise option.

>>158168503
Compared to 2? Yes
Just hammer R1 all day and stunlock everything to death

>>158168658
Pikes do not have hyper-armor.

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I like this topic and it's not talked about very often so let's do it!

>Favorite monster
>Design-wise
>Gameplay-wise

I will start:
>Design
Gaping Dragon

>Gameplay
A tie between the Hand Ogres of DaS3 and the Shark Men of BB

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OH NO

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>>158168732
>mfw halberd and rhh don't either

>>158168692
As I said. Only Havels is useable.

Apparently the moaning shield still blocks when you use its WA accidentally
totally useless but hey
does havel's shield work that way too?

>>158168658
>>158168732
>>158168867

>poise doesn't do shit for weapons who didn't have any HA in the first place


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>From not only buffed greatswords speed, they actually buffed Flamberge bleed damage too
>They buffed carths curved greatsword bleed damage too
Maybe FINALLY bleed great weapons will be good, I dunno if they will compare with barbed straight sword or CCS in terms of DPS, but they might get close

>>158168962
Yes.

>>158168962
Yes
Beware of guardbreaking

>>158168962
All greatshields save maybe Ancient Dragon since it's a weaponart shield have block frames during their WA

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>>158168786
>when he kills you he spams the "I'm Sorry" Carving

>>158168974
Your not getting poise with your rapier/katana/curvesword

Eat shit.

Which ultra greatswords are better at 66 STR heavy than 40/40 refined?

>>158168974
It didn't before, either.

The lothric spear does have poise on its weapon art, though.

>>158169125

FUGS, that's it.

>>158165442
Its cool but its not going to be THAT good seeing as HA for anyone without armor has been nerfed to hell. A pyro doesn't have enough stat points for that shit. Hell, even before they were still starved.

>>158169125
Only FUGS.

Man whips are garbage now.
No range, no damage, and the WA DOESN'T EVEN COMBO INTO ITSELF

What kind of fresh hell is this?

>>158169116

I just wanted it so the drang hammers could finally be viable, but okay.

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DaS 3: Best parrying weapon?

>>158168962
Valorheart still blocks if you offhand it

>>158169153
And that's probably exactly why it's so long, so they can space instead of needing to poise.

>>158169206
Do you WA right beside them? I found it hit with the whole WA.

>>158169223
They have strong HA on the first part of their WA now. Just fish for 700 damage trades with that.

>>158169227
Caestus for quickest starting parry
Small shield for most frames

>>158169187
>>158169152
Thanks, from.

So does anyone know what the fuck these Abyss Dragons were?

>>158169206
The little hits at the beginning only work at point-blank range.

Any distance and they push their target out of reach and let them recover.

>>158169206
Wait, did they nerf whips?

Why?

>>158169278

What? Source?

You're fucking shitting me dude. I'll test it out but ffs the problem I always had with them is you couldn't trade, people would just hit you while you were trying to L2R2 people and you'd get staggered out of it without doing any damage, it sucked. Does it really have hyper armor now? Really? Don't fuck with me anon, really???

I'll fucking use them if they do, especially since apparently the R1 swings at least are faster (don't know if the L1's are too)

> Finally add a Flail

> its a club

15 dollars

>>158169315
the Kalameet analogue in the abyss dlc where we fight Manus 2.0

>>158169457
The Dark Soul of Man(us)

so the thing with the slave knight and the painting and all that
if it hints at the 2nd dlc, we surely wont need to own both to access everything, right?

>>158169449
Its actually a whip so it doesnt even get HA, at least it cant be parried...

>>158169508
Vincent """tech"""

>>158169537
It has the club moveset

Its a club

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>>158169560
I'll have you know my realest tech is clearly hidden weapon

>fighting the great Wolf in the gravewarden wearing Millwood set and throwing javelins at it

I feel so V I K I N G right now lads this is great.

>>158169631
A club that cant be parried but has no HA, and greater reach too

>>158169328
>>158169264
Basically.
Still, that fact makes it incredibly dangerous to try to rollcatch with it on weapons with HA, Which is one thing the whip was good for.

>>158169340
Whips were always shit in DS3. Only one worth a damn is the Witch's locks, and even then that one isn't all that great either.

Compared to DS2, whips neither have damage nor speed nor range. Like, there's literally no advantage to using it. Trying to duel with it is like tickling the enemy while trying not to die to a 500 damage combo from literally any other weapon.

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>When ur farming and the corpse your loot is on flings itself up on an unreachable ledge
I'd be mad if it wasnt so funny

>>158169449
it's unparriable
>snakemen have flails and you don't
>no str axe whip

>>158169515
darklurker painted world area
screencap this

fuck pyromancers

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>>158168962
Oh. I don't know WHAT the fuck was going on there. Were you taking stamina damage?

>>158169720
And shit damage and wasted move sets on crap casting and shit buff

>>158169827
That's the Moaning Shield's WA.
It autoguards and then aggros all nearby enemies and forces they to stay focused on the player who cast it. You take stamina damage if you're hit while it casts, but can't be guardbroken.

>>158169827
*didn't

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>do 20 runs farming for a single raw gem at high wall using coin with rapier and covetous ring equipped
>nothing
>play through same spot once with character i don't need the gem for
>get one

I should bring my pyro to the FC

>>158169950
Aren't there 2 or so lizards between the High Wall and Undead Settlement that drop them?

>>158170072
Only one, but I just checked and apparently there's one in Lothric Castle that I haven't found so I'll go get it there.

>>158169827
I don't recall if I was taking much if any stamina damage but it clearly wasn't enough to guardbreak me
It's a pretty stable shield to start with though

Does upgrading the ass crest shield increase stamina regen?

>>158169315

It's a single abyss dragon apparently.

I'm hoping it's Guyra. If they're going to reference their older work at least let it be a non souls game like King's Field II, especially since they've used Seathe and his weapon for so long. His brother deserves some time in the spotlight and has a few cool things from which to draw inspiration.

Is onyx blade a degenerate weapon? Or will I be able to use it without being labeled a faggot?

>>158170346
no because it's not released cheating faggot

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>>158169754
>Compared to DS2, whips neither have damage nor speed nor range. Like, there's literally no advantage to using it. Trying to duel with it is like tickling the enemy while trying not to die to a 500 damage combo from literally any other weapon.
They may be worse, but they're far from useless. The rolling R1 is fast, and has enough range to outspace any melee weapon aside from maybe spears/pikes.

Damage is shit, but you shouldn't be looking to trade with a whip. You should be dancing around them and whittling them down bit by bit.

>>158170281
Guyra already cameo'd as Kalameet though and the normal drakes already borrow some of his design elements (his weird oversized fangs along the outside of his snout)

>>158170258
No.

>>158170346
If you used it for twinks, pretty much an aboslute grade A because giving a paper cut with this weapon will take off half their health.

>>158170426
Nigga it's an abyss dragon that contends with the knights who worship a magical tree.
It's literally Guyra.

>>158170391
T. sonygger.

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>>158170346
Using any weapon that is not universally agreed to be underpowered makes you a cancerous faggot, and is against the official /dsg/ fight club rules.

------- OFFICIAL /DSG/ FIGHT CLUB RULES -------

Rules:
>Must bow before fighting
>No gesturing after fight
>No hardswapping
>No changing to fast weapon if opponent gets on low health
>No changing weapons for riposte
>No hornet ring
>No leo ring
>No bloodring
>No prisoner's chain
>No HP regen ring
>No obscuring ring
>No Greatshields
>No Dark Sword
>No Estoc
>No BKG
>No BKGA
>No Warden's blades
>No Gotthard
>No Carthus Curved Sword
>No Claymore
>No Sellsword Twinblades
>No Fallen Knight armor
>No Thorns armor
>No parry spam
>No dragon roar
>No spin combo
>No parrying with caestus
>No simple weapons
>No blessed weapons
>No lightning weapons
>No more than 1 buff
>No straight swords
>No Caestus
>No thrusting swords
>No crossbows
>No Pestilent Mercury
>No Tears of Denial
>No bleed resin
>No prism stones
>No white branches
>No throwing knifes
>No dung pies
>No bombs of any type
>No using ashen estus
>No blocking for more than 2 seconds
>No attacking just as your opponent walks into range
>No backing away from your opponent
>No unlocked combat
>No R1 spam
>No roll spam
>No running attacks
>No losing, everyone is a winner
>No trying to win
>No winning, only play for fun
>No fun

>>158170516
Viking Knights you mean.

does this game do the bloodborn thing where you can only invade players who have at leat 1 phantom?

i tried to use red eye orb in the undead settlement for a while and every single time the host had 1 or more allies

i'm too much of a shitter to 1v2
i can barely 1v1 with this slow-ass boss soul ice hammer

>>158170624
I haven't seen this in a while.
DLC really does bring back all the autists.

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So since no one has HA anymore without investing in endurance is the level meta going to go up?

>>158170516
>>158170426
>>158170281
it's going to be guyra and a sequel hook for a new exclusive kings field
there's already everything turning into trees and tree worship

>>158170691
No.

Let me see if I'm understanding this right.

DLC ends with painter loli, who's sitting in front of a blank canvas because she has no idea what to draw and nothing to draw it with. Her Uncle Gael, who sent us into the DLC in the first place, is supposed to fetch humanity for her so she can use it as paint. Which is something that never happens.

So, she's going to paint the second DLC, isn't she. And Gael "finds" the dark soul of man when you buy it.

>Invading as a Mad Phantom
>Kill the host or 3 phantoms
>"Summoning another phantom"

BC'd right the fuck out. I don't know why, but Irithyll Dungeon is crawling with ganksquads. Maybe because it's so close to Pontiff.

>>158170691
HA weapons were never a part of the meta

>>158170691

the meta wont go up because meme120 cucks will never want to give up their advantage with memepole, ccs, etc

>>158170658
No, you're just biased towards invading hosts with phantoms

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We should have an axe/mace only event, like clerics vs barbarians or something.

I wonder how the arenas will change our FCs. Does each match just end after the set amount of minutes or are you able to just keep up a room permanently?

>>158170624
Now, add poise to that list.

>>158170658
You can invade solo hosts, but people with summons have higher priority. Especially if they used dried finger and have three summons.

>>158170658
No, but anyone with phantoms get priority. Only time you're going to invade solos is if they use dried fingers.

>They buffed bleed on slow weapon
Based FROM

>>158170775
I hope you're joking.

>>158170836
Duels end once you die, brawls end once the time limit is up.

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I SWEAR THIS SHIT HAPPENS HALF THE TIME
LOTHRIC YOU LITTLE SHIT, STOP

>>158170836
There's a fixed time limit, sadly

>>158170658
No but it puts phantom worlds first in priority

>>158170759
Do seeded jailers do the HP drain?

>>158170905
>>158170940
That sucks. I imagine that our regular area-hosted FCs won't go away, then.

I just want a "sandbox" arena where people can just come and go and brawl it out.

Can I use my Lothric Knight Sword bae in FCs now that Maces/Axes have basically the same reach as straight swords?

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what is the best miracle casting item for 40 faith?

>>158171057
me

>>158171002
I guess. I think just queuing up for duels with the password really wouldn't be that bad, though.

That's enough FC for now then, thanks for hosting Luckrin!

>>158170947
>Do seeded jailers do the HP drain?
Yeah. I can't think of a good place to hide out in a seeded Dungeon.

>>158170624

>trying to make me follow rules

I'm cursing everyone at the next FC

>>158171057
canv.as talisman

>>158171034
You pick up an axe or mace now and don't be a pussy.

Their swing speed is still atrocious, but doable. A straight sword still outlclasses them in cancer.

>>158171219
Curse the fiends
Their FCs, too
And their rules, forever true.

Are there any new consumables in the DLC? Like Elizabeth Mushroom in DaS1 or those totally useless stat-boost berries in DaS2?

>>158171057
gross bottom
rose of ariandel or canvas talisman

>>158170417
>The rolling R1 is fast, and has enough range to outspace any melee weapon aside from maybe spears/pikes.

That's simply not true due to three reasons.

1. The rolling R1 and normal R1 Both move your hitbox slightly forward. This means that hyper armor moves with long range on GS and GA (Like BKGS, FUGS, and others) will armor through the hit and still hit you.

2. The range is actually significantly reduced from DS2 whip, and now it actually gets outranged by most spears and halberds. Additionally, whip spacing is awkward due to the exceptionally narrow hitbox, and the R2, while having amazing range and a fantastic hitbox, suffers as a poke due to both the slow startup and recovery.

3. Phantom range.

>Damage is shit, but you shouldn't be looking to trade with a whip. You should be dancing around them and whittling them down bit by bit.

That's always been the case with whips. But they had an easier time before due to their speed and range. In addition, punishing them really works only on really dumb players. Anyone with half a brain will learn to roll immediately after, cutting off your options for punishing them.

So in summary, no reliable pokes, poor roll catches, and a hard time punishing swing recovery on a weapon that averages between 100 and 150 damage.

I wouldn't mind having damage be the same for a teensy bit more range and faster startup.

Like even in that video 75% of the damage was from greatknife R1 spam.

Whips have been relegated to only being useful as a way to punish parry spammers. That's sad.

>>158171320
Nope.
3 slabs, though.

>unironically got hit by Morne's WA
brb killing myself IRL gg Eygon

legit sick of this pyro in the FC

no life fucking loser

>>158171057
Fuck
those pants look really nice
RIP burial knight

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>>158170759
invading into gank squads as a mad phantom can be pretty fun if you try
> kill some other invader infront of them to gain their trust
>when they least expect it or the host is near an edge back stab his faggot ass off the side and watch as the phantoms realize what just happend

>>158171419
Hey, it's better than standing still outside of its range looking like a dork
Going out in style and all that

>>158171419
Im gonna bring my pyro and bully you

So apparently in the new DLC one of the bosses is god tier and the other is garbage tier. Any truth to that claim?

>>158171464
This never works anymore, purples are always kill on sight now

Hell ganks summon purples just to spawnkill them like they do for reds

>>158171443
legit sick of this shitposting
post your ign you won't no balls

>>158171356
Whips have always been useful as off hand weapons. They were more useful in DaS1 since you could parry with them, but now you can two hand your left hand Notched Whip, put Rouge on it, one hand it again and now you have a parry punisher that builds up bleed really fast.

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>fogwall bullshit / bossfights not starting is still not fixed
FROOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM

>>158171528

Yes, basically it's the Dark Souls 2 DLC boss structure of two great bosses and one filler boss except they forgot the other great boss.

>>158171464
>>158170759
>not just killing all phantoms

I had a blue invasion today where the grape was having a hard time beating me, so he turned around and killed the Watchdog instead of me, and ended up going home. Good shit.

I go on thinking I'm clever for attacking into a lightning stake cast and then a sacred flame grab out of nowhere
Science has gone too far this time

>>158171528
Basically yeah.
Remember how each DaS2 dlc has 1 boss of an option area who was super phoned-in full of recycled content? One of the bosses is literally that.

The other boss is 10/10, though

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>>158171553
> this never works anymore
you would be surprised just did it today might take a bit and you may have to kill a few other invaders. or at least look like you're trying but there's nothing better than the ass hurt last attempts of the phantoms to attack you right before you're all sent back.

>>158170624
Is this real or satire?

I honestly can't tell with dsg's autism.

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>6 man arena brawl
>dude running around caestus parrying while using Pontiffs Ultra Great sword and washing pole
>Guy is MVP
>Get killed by him
>Squats on me
>Respawn
>Kills another dude and squats on him
>Throw javelin at him
>Kill him
>Mfw

Javelin is the best weapon in this game for cheeky kills hands down

>>158172029
Read the last line.

>Make it my mission to kill someone with the krillin disk
>Hit some bravehard guy with it from behind
>15 damage
>Assume he just somehow blocked it from behind
>hit him again
>15 damage
>this piece of shit actually does just 15 damage
>finally find some shitty bloodshade with tears to try killing with the disk
>ironically die trying to do so the first time
>match with the same guy and pop his tears
>actually had to hit him with it TWICE to kill him due to regen
>meanwhile he could just eat grass and huck firebombs at me for 200 some damage with zero investment

WHY IS IT SO BAD
WHY IS IT SO FUCKING BAD
IT DOES LIKE A TENTH OF THE DAMAGE IT OUGHT TO AND IT'S GOT MORE WINDUP THAN A DART

>>158172029
Yes. Come to the FC at highwall to experience how good PvP gets with this ruleset.

>>158172029
Satire of a really old pasta that grew out of control.

Why is people crying out about pyro in the FC?

>>158172116
>it's just 90% STRfags reaming each other with poise weapons and one poor little white pyro
n e w m e t a

>>158172206
It's just an attentionwhore

>>158172110
But anon, if you get max stats, the perfect talisman at max upgrade, and use buffs, it does 80 damage

>tfw no chain whip with S-scaling in strength

>>158171883
Champion + Wolf is a bad fight but it's nowhere near "3 NPC gank squad" "literal reskin of an already existing boss" "same boss you already fought x2" kind of bad.

>>158172206
It's one person really

>>158172249
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I WANT TO USE MY 18 SWORDSPEAR FAITH ON A MIRACLE THAT ISN'T DOGSHIT

I'M ALREADY GIMPING MY AR BY USING THIS SHITTY ZAP STICK

>The only boss so far that made me summon people was Nameless King
>mfw Friede
Should I feel bad that I'm on the verge of summoning help once again?

>>158172294
It's much better, they took all three and put them together

>>158171443
Indra whatever his name is?

He's pretty good dude. I'm the guy with the lothric knight great sword btw.

pick what you would rate the best area from the following, (ds1 vs ds2 vs ds3):

>Firelink shrine(ds1), Majula, Firelink shrine(ds3)
>Undead burg/undead parish, Forest of fallen giants, High wall of lothric
>Darkroot Garden/Basin, Shaded Woods, Road of Sacrifices
>Blighttown, No-mans wharf, Farron keep
>Sen's fortress, Lost Bastille, Irithyll dungeon
>Anor Londo, Drangleic Castle, Irithyll
>Catacombs/Tomb of giants, Huntsman's Copse/Undead Purgatory, Catacombs of Carthus
>Demon Ruins/Izalith, Iron Keep, Smouldering Lake
>Duke's Archives, Aldia's keep,Grand Archives
>Ash Lake, Dragon Aerie/Shrine, Archdragon peak

>>158172294
That's exactly the kind of bad it is, anon.
The wolf part of the fight is a stage miniboss you encounter TWICE in the main area of the DLC.
They took a random fuckoff NPC character and then recycled a couple mooks and an elite mook from earlier in the level and called it a "boss"

It's right on par with blue smelter or 2cat

>>158172294
>"3 NPC gank squad"
>"literal reskin of an already existing boss"
> "same boss you already fought x2" kind of bad

it's really only slightly better than that

>1 NPC with wold gank squad
>Boss is basically just an improved version of vordt
and you technically do encounter the wolf twice beforehand

>>158172348
>Summoning for NK
This boss is super easy, killed him first try in NG and NG+

>>158172348
Depends on the NG and your soul level

>>158172541
it isn't as much a waste of time as either of those at least

>>158172517
Firelink 1
Burg/Parish
Darkroot or Shaded
Sen's
Irythyll
ToG
Probably Iron Keep
Grand Archives
Ash Lake

>>158172029
It's a list of everything that people on /dsg/ have complained about at some time or another.

People whine about "x is cancer" and such, so I just made a list of everything that was "cancer" according to /dsg/ so they could all see how retarded they sound.

are greathammers fun yet

haven't played since launch

>>158172669
Doesn't even give you a fucking boss soul.

>>158170932
>katana artorias just standing there
>there must be more to life than this.png

Why is the Champion's Gravetender wearing some super shitty armor anyways?

>>158172750
P O I S E

>>158172750
They still have the worst moveset in the game, especially one-handed.
But they can be fun.

>>158172750
They shit on other great weapons now. They didn't change, but poise did.

>>158172750
They're even more shit now unless you have heavy armor.

>>158172750
fun is most of what they have going for them

>>158172772
He's a reference to chainmom, a DaS1 metabuild.
The whole champion's thing is just poking fun at the playerbase, referencing people obsessing over pvp until they go mad and faggots keeping death counters to circlejerk over.

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>>158172090
feels radical

basically this javelin is only good for catching people who are either about to chug or do a long WA move but fuck me if it isnt satisfying.

>you can buff darkdrift
>with untrue dark ring it becomes an actual lightsaber
oh boy this is going to look awesome and be useless when I get frost weapon

>>158172816

They'd be so much better with a reach buff for the 2H moveset and speed for the 1H. Great weapons in general just need the treatment they've given to greatswords, axes and hammers to be so much better now.

>>158172517

Majula

Burg/Parish

Darkroot

No-Mans Wharf

Bastille

Anor Londo

TOG

Iron Keep

Grand Archives

Archdragon Peak

>>158172901
Please, what's the phantom colour of WoB?

How the hell do I get to the tower

Power ranking of Katanas for PvE? Which infusion to use on what for best scaling etc?

>>158172517
>>Demon Ruins/Izalith, Iron Keep, Smouldering Lake
Now you realise all fire areas suck

>>158172517
1 hands down
highwall tied with burg/parish
>considering road of sacrifices an area, and not listing the settlement
NMW, Blight, and Farron keep, in that order
Either Sen's or ID, not really comperable
AL
TotG
GA
>comparing ash lake, dragon shrine, and archedragon peak
they aren't simmilar at all map wise

>>158173078
Refined Chaos Blade.

>>158173107
DeS was solid

>>158173107
Smouldering Lake at least had a really cool boss. And the Giant Sand Worm.

>>158172517
Majula
Undead Burg/Parish
Darkroot Garden/Basin
Lost Bastille
Anor Londo
Catacomb/Tomb of Giants
Smouldering Lake
Grand Archives
Dragon Aerie/Shrine

Also this list made me really appreciate how fucking small/linear a lot of DS3 areas are. The bonfire placement is a bigger mistake than 2.
I do think Undead Settlement could rival Burg/Parish.

>>158172517
Shrine 3, Wall, Woods, Blighttown, Irithyll, Anor Londo, Purgatory, Iron Keep, Grand Archives, Shrine

>>158173147
You can't infuse chaos blade nigger

>>158172754
would you seriously rather take the soul to ludeth and get the weapon instead of getting it on the spot?

>>158172517
Firelink 1
Undead Burg/Parish (High wall the first time is good)
Farron Keep
Sen's Fortress
Anor Londo
Catacombs o' Carthus
Smouldering Lake
Grand Archives
Ash Lake (I really really like ADP though)

>>158173078

Uchigatana is the only one you can use for most of the game. In terms of pure AR the Black Blade is best on a 40/40 build but Chaos Blade has the highest overall at 60 Dex so you can rush that if you do Dancer>Champ early. They're kinda mediocre for PvE though since they are noticeably slower then straight swords for not much more AR. They do have innate bleed though so that will be useful with Rouge.

thank fuck that fag with the great sword put that pyro down

what a piece of shit

>hurr durr ima spam flame surge and other spells to win while being a faggot

>>158173239
Yes

>>158173236
Obviously. I was just referring to the superior quality of japanese blades.

>>158173107
>Smouldering Lake sucks
fight me

>>158173309
>it is the year 2016
>people still get mad about casters of any flavor

>>158173309
Grab a dragon crest. Wow. Fire surge is now useless.

>>158172517
>tfw you realize 3 somehow has the worst areas of the games and least replayablity
shame because this is definitely the best Souls gameplay