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M y a l l i e s, m y f r i e n d s!

>>158031410
DELETE THIS

>>158031304

Hs is cleaner in terms of design. I don't like the battlefield of shadowverse.

>>158031410
>sample

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>using pic-related doesn't summon a 1/1 qt knight

Immersion = Ruined

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>>158031410
Inseminate.

>>158031629
Why would anyone use this when Dance of Death is better?

>>158031767
You mean why would anyone use it in a class that has Ruthless Assassin and Tsubaki.

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>Loss to a battle of attrition with a healslut that dropped 2 Elana
>Get my revenge with the next Havenslut
Feels good.

>>158031767
It'll be great when Arthur decks become top tier next expansion.

>>158031767

While DoD is obviously better in constructed, leaving a body behind matters more in arena. So cards like Call of the Void is preferred.

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>>158031410
reported

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>open DE pack
>get a Tia and my second Odin
Life was good today.

>>158031934
>3 evolve points
deserved

>>158031934
I always get problems trying to win against healslut do you manage a way to win against?

post dick pls

>>158032572
not him, but you just run removal and outvalue her. Heal followers don't do literally anything except heal face and her deck is full of them, so all elana haven really does against decks that aren't trying to race them down is drop overstatted vanilla followers.

Of course that's not really an option for aggro decks.

57824
Might one kind anon help me out with my quest?

>>158032572
You sit and laugh as they drop worthless heal junk because all their Elanas are at the bottom of their deck.

>>158032828
Greatly appreciated.

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>>158032572
https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.6.63dOW.63dOW.67UiU.67UiU.61Ldw.61Ldw.63dOg.63dOg.67WPs.67WPs.67WPs.5_pzw.5_pzw.5_pzw.5_p-4.5_p-4.5_p-4.63e74.63e74.63e74.67SGY.67SGY.67Uie.67WfK.67WfK.63dO-.63dO-.63fqc.63fqc.5_rhS.63gZA.63gZA.61Pni.61Pni.67Yro.5_sQA.63fqw.63fqw.63i_a.63iHA
You fuck her up before she fucks you up. It's simple.

>>158033092
>Wind God
Jesus, just fucking play banner meme instead of this mockery.

>>158033284
>He doesn't like WINNNNNNNNDDDDDDDD

>>158033284
>tfw run 2 Fujins and 2 Sages in my mid sword

>>158033284
Grant me your power, o wind!

WIIIIIIIIND!

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>>158031410

What's the current deck for sword?

>>158033565
THICC
H
I
C
C

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>>158033565
3DPDfags, not even once.

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>>158033667
Make your pick between Banner memes, Mid or Control depending on the size of your wallet.

>>158033667
Which one?

>>158033667
This is not HS, here we have diversity of decks.

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>its 3rd useless aurelia instead of useful lego

>>158034223
aurelia is literally the best leggo in sword right now

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>>158034292
Ill never play this shitty cancer class.

>>158034434
>cancer
But anon, Control Sword is the most honest deck in the meta. You literally just play wards to protect yourself and outvalue other decks by fighting for the board. No burst combo that knocks off half your hp, no oppressive wincon that says you win as long as you survive to x turn, and the most damage you can do out of hand in a turn without an evo point is 3 or 4 depending on your list.

>>158034292
Nah, that's Alex.

>>158033934
To storm and crush control, or combo and crush control, that is the question.

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>>158031537

>>158034670
I'm talking overall. Alex is definitely the strongest for Control Sword but he's unusable for the other variants. Meanwhile Otohime is the strongest for midrange sword, but is mediocre/very close to being cut for Control.

Aurelia is a strong inclusion for both.

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>>158034827

>>158033837
>>158033841
>>158033934
How does controlsword fair with rune/haven?

I have 40k vials so I would like to invest on sword for dailies.

>>158034864
Yeah, just dropped 2 Aurelias on a full elf board today in the same turn and the guy kinda died because dealing with them took all his resources.

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>>158035064
if your art is fucking trash can horrible and PC is your platform you can make card art small enough to still be pleasant. People compare the Mobile version of SV with the PC client of HS, when mobile HS looks like this.

>>158035116
if you mean dshift/seraph, that's control sword's main counter, though it's not unwinnable since you still play some early followers. you just have to go face, evolve aggressively and pray. but without buffers in your deck like white general your chances are not good.

if you mean heal haven, that's probably control sword's best matchup

if you mean storm haven, control sword is slightly favored on most of the data I've seen, but it feels like a close matchup from my experience, though still slightly favored.

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>>158035342
Shit like this makes me furious.

>>158035342
HS don't have mobile version is just a emulation of pc version download 2,5gb every patch

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How does this card function as a neutral card? Isn't shadows limited to shadowcraft?

>>158035365
You usually just clog the board with wards to the point where birds are forced into trading, the most annoying thing in that matchup is moon bunny because she can eat most of your early wards for free and random garuda burns if you stabilize on low health.

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Is their a HS card with better art then Evreux Al-Mi'raj?

>>158035597
every deck has shadows, hover over your deck to see the shadow count.

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98547

Help out an anon in need.

>>158035636
Yeah, that's why I say it's slightly favored. But if your draw isn't good and they get them beastcall into turn 4 baldie and you don't have fencer it can be really rough, which is why I say it's only slightly favored from my experience. Control Sword still fares much better than most other decks against storm though, especially if you run Healing Angels to push yourself out of Garuda range once you have a wall of wards up.

>>158035597
shadows = number of cards in your graveyard pile

>>158035342

Which is why when I found out about sv I deleted hs on my mobile. Still playing the pc version though, and I am not going to play the steam version of sv. Maybe.

>>158035825
Yeah, things can get pretty rough, shame Unica and Healing Angel are our only source of healing.

>>158036101
I feel like healing and a good on curve 3 drop are the only things missing from the deck.

>>158035597
>Isn't shadows limited to shadowcraft?
Das necromancy, boi.

>>158035365
>white general
I often use this, I find it good for trading at turn 4-5. Does control run otohime>sage commander/windgod? I'm thinking of dropping them in favor of more storm units/ward and removals.

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>>158035738
Good game, thanks friend.

>>158036239
control doesn't run sage or windgod, and some lists don't even include otohime in favor of more alwidas

you really don't run any buffing followers in control.

>>158035825
The only way I can think to stabilize well after a Bald Nigger Aria swing is with White Paladin, since whatever you leave up evolves and goes face for 4-6.

Fencer likely gets left at 1 and removed on their turn via scripture or another Baldy, the tempo swing from Cudgel only costs them one card so it's not like they don't have a comfortably sized hand either.

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>>158036370
no problem

Do private matches count towards "win x matches" mission thing? Anyone wanna help a stupid cunt out?

I haven't won a single game in three days.

>>158036239
IMO Rousing Step and Wind God is better than Sage Commander because of the lower cost.

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>>158036379
I run a 2/2 split of Alwida/Otomeme, seems to be working out alright so far.

>>158036397
Yeah, white paladin into whole souled swing is usually the best answer to it since even if they have all 3 up you can at least remove the bird and tiger.

Then you can Floral Fencer + Veteran Lancer on 6 to cement a lead while continuing protecting your face.

Can someone please post that Face Dragon nipon video? I can't get to find it.

>>158036571
That's what I do too, but sometimes I really really wish Otohime was Alwida since not only is Otohime not proactive, she also doesn't protect your face.

It's funny people used to compare Vampire Queen to Otohime and say how about Vampire Queen is when I would love to fucking have Queen in my deck over Otohime.

Do you run Dragonewt Charlottes too? I think she's really good in the deck honestly.

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>>158036648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqLg0_wShaQ

Which is the most annoying class and why is it havencraft?

>>158036772
Thank you dear Forteposter.

>>158036729
say how bad Queen is*

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>>158036729
Yeah, having storm+ward and a big butt gives you options, run 2 of her, my other 8-drops are a Alex and a Odin since I only have 1 Alex.

>>158036529
sage commander can be drawn by maid.

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BOPPED

>>158036397
>Bald Nigger Aria Swing
Sick band name.

My Vampy folder is lacking. Please post your best Vampys

>>158036379
I'm wondering if I should drop floral fencer too and save up evo points for late situations.

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>>158036772
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SfBZMwTFLk

>>158036962
Tell me more about Charlotte's big butt

>>158036962
I find that she allows me to be really aggressive with evo points from 5-7 since she's still a proactive play on 8, and the ward protects my face going into 9 for Olivia to refill on evo. The reach from her burst has saved me so many times against combo too.

>>158037247
Hell no. Floral Fencer is way too good and Olivia is run in the deck anyway for more points.

>>158036517
Time to uninstall buddy.

>>158037247
Floral is too good for the mid game, I can't think of a world where a sword deck doesn't run her.

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>>158037240
Best girl.

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>>158036370
2nd worst character in F/Z after Tokiomi desu

>>158037640
I want Vampy to bite me and drain my body of all its blood!

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>>158037424
She's my favorite card and I wish she had more fanart. Glad I found a deck to use her in.

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>>158037240

>>158037851
>no bra

lewd

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>>158037240

>>158038004
DELETE THIS

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>>158037240
>>158037921

Is this gama better/more fun than heartstone? Or people just play it because of cute girls?

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>>158038268
Both.

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>>158037240
>>158038216

Thank you for the Vampy anons.

>>158038216
This one is my new wallpaper!

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>Destroy all three of the heal haven's elana prayers
>Still managed to squeeze in an Olivia, and a Seraph in their deck, to Cuckgal and dogma me to death because he drew through his entire deck thanks to insane draw power, while just healing himself

Necro is suffering

Need to breed elves.

Is this deck what I should follow for ptp forestcraft? Also could I get some input on what cards I should create first? I have 1 roach, one ancient elf, 2 lizas, and 1 ptp.

Is Cudgel Priest the best 4 drop or is it just me?

>>158038682
oops, I probably should have included the link:
https://shadowverse.gamepress.gg/deck/purgatory-forestcraft

>>158038463
>necro
>goetias
>odins
???

>>158038314
Does this run nicely on shitty devices? I don't play heartstone anymore because it runs like shit on my mobile and i don't have time to use a pc anymore.

>>158038943
>goetias
That's a necro card

>>158038732
Elven Princess Mage, Floral Fencer, Merlin, Remi & Rami are pretty good too

>>158039113
Why you run odins and goetias in necro?

>>158038732
In this meta he might be, but pretty much every class has a massive tempo swing four drop if you can evolve it on curve.

Floral Fencer is ridiculous. If you are aggro and they drop that card on turn four and evolve it, you're done. It trades into your biggest threat with the completely unneeded 4/5 body and then has two more followers on board that you know are going to get buffed the next turn.

Depending on the situation, the Dragon one that does three damage can be more useful than Cudgel. On curve Cudgel is strong because it removes three mana followers for free, but when put up against a high health threat the banish does nothing because it triggers before he attacks. The dragon does the damage upfront meaning he can take out something with a lot of health by trading afterward.

Shadow has Playful Necromancer too. It only does two damage, but it is two damage splitup so it can sometimes be more useful. If you're up against Blood aggro for example you would much rather be able to take out two bats with charge followers and trade into the third, than just banishing one and trading into another.

I'm pretty sure it is intentional design to help separate the early game with the mid game and to also help avoid the HS issue of snowballing from the first few turns.

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>>158038986
It runs fine om my Xperia M2, and I don't give enough fuck for a 2GB card game on my phone.

>>158039303
1 odin
2 goetias

Because haven is what I keep running into

It worked until I ran into the haven who just ran fucking everything and always had an elana in hand.

If I can shut down elana before they get a ton of buffs off it helps a lot

>>158038986
I have the same >>158039326
And runs way better than hs

>>158039494
Dick list pleasse fucking haven seens nice since my decks are stomped by this bitch

What makes this game better than Hearthstone?

>>158039916
better gameplay and waifus on top of that

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>>158039916
Vania

>>158039916
Is not shit controled by jews

>>158039494
Just play aggro shadow. Its still the best deck.

>>158039965
Can you elaborate on the better gameplay part?

and why waifus automatically make it superior?

>>158038682
very few popular decks run damage based removal that isnt angelic barrage, 2 lizas is more than enough to protect boards of fairies, in order of crafting you probably need the roaches first so you can actually win, ancient elves, then the fates and ptp. dont be afraid to fill in your blanks with the water fairies and princess mages, but without the core set of 3x altered fate and minimum 2x ptp activating ptp is probably impossible but you can bluff its activation and make people play out their hand.

>>158039981
What the fuck is a vania?

>>158039916

In hearthstone,

When I lost, I felt like I was molested by my uncle when I was small

When I won, I feel like prisoner in the concentration camp finishing his daily duty

I feel neither in shadowverse, in fact, I don't hate my opponent in shadowverse.

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>>158040286

>>158040146
there's a lot to explain and you should honestly just play for yourself to see, but losing in the game feels a lot less unfair because there's little to no rng and far less "opponent curves out into an unwinnable board state" situations.

>>158039916
There is littery the RNG by draw only

>>158040553

Don't lie anon.

>C'mon lets play!

>>158040146

The economy is better. You are pretty much guaranteed a pack + some money left if you log in everyday and complete quests. There are 3 quest slots, all of them are independant from each other. You get quest every 21 hours. So you can have 3 quests the next day after you completed 3 today unlike hs which you got 1 only everyday.

Also it gives rewards for the rank points you gathered, notwithstanding what rank are you in.

>>158040370
What's your rank? At AA2 i feel exactly like
>prisoner in the concentration camp finishing his daily duty

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyXaFPAJwWU
Having a hand full of cards that you can't use despite being able to pay for them is suffering.

Anyone else worried about the direction Shadowverse is going? Pre-expansion, it was so much better than HS. Now, I feel like the gap is closing. DE added more RNG cards, more combo cards, and neutral removal that is so strong it dictates the entire meta.

Now it feels more like HS where aggro or combos are the strongest ways to play and with how followers never live to see the turn after they are played.

Like HS wards are becoming more and more worthless and any big follower just gets destroyed immediately.

Seriously the people who say there is no RNG involved clearly haven't played against or as Forest or Dragon.

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>>158038732
>tfw you preemptively evolve something to 6 health and your haven opponent starts sweating

>>158040768

>Knife juggler is 3 mana 2/2
>Flame juggler is 1 mana 1/1
>Both are class cards

Even with those points only it is already superior to hs.

Does anyone have that picture of roach math?

>>158041001
DE fucked up dragon so much they reverted into using meme-immune units.

t.dragonfag

>>158039326
>>158039550
Maybe I'll try this then. But it fells bad play another tcg while i have stuff in heartstone. While f2p I had all adventures and bought packs until old gods

>go on a 15 game win streak with aggro blood
>gets me from the bottom of C all the way near the top
>suddenly only meta decks
>every deck now runs angelic barrage

It feels unwinnable now. Elf Child May is a complete bullshit card and makes the matchup awful.

>RNG card that removes my whole board
>gets cycled back to hand to replace with an overstated ward early game
>rinse and repeat to prevent me from ever having a board

>>158041036
SV juggles cant hit face

>>158040768
not him, but I can only count a single time where the opponent got lucky and picked off an important follower they couldn't have otherwise with that card. It helps that it's usually played early on anyway when there's only one follower to hit in the first place.

>>158041001
>Wards are useless
That's why Control Sword runs a billion of them and no healing right? Cause they can't protect your face? Come on. Wards are useless in HS because you can burn over half of someone's hp with direct damage out of hand. Even the big scary Storm Haven can only do 3 damage for 6PP if there's wards in the way.

Followers always had a hard time surviving a turn in this game thanks to Evolve and the low healthpool, even pre DE. That's no different than before.

>>158041001

I am a total newb and playing forest only as of now. I realised that there is RNG in this game too but still stick to it because the quest system is better and I don't feel like killing myself when ranking.

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>>158041329
Another anon reached Master with a Vania bat deck, you can do it too, anon.

>>158041351

Even better.

t. forest main

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>>158041329
May targeting just the right follower fucked me over a billion times by this point.

>>158040370
You sure? I am sure some blood players(as Vampy) and some shadow players(as Luna) felt molested when the baldy comes out

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>>158041007

>>158041351
Yeah. Even the RNG within SV is far more controlled.

There's no shitty cards like the one Priest has that revives random minions. Instead, the cards specify that they are a certain mana cost/the highest or lowest in your deck or hand. It means you can control what card you get with 100% certainty without "XD ill just not play a minion until I get the one I want!"

The juggler cards usually only attack followers. Most of the discard cards specifically discard your lowest cost card.

>>158041407
I should have specified that high cost wards are mostly useless. Sword has basically a Sludge Belcher so of course it is useful. White Paladin (or whatever it is called) has a ridiculous effect that instant wins against aggro so of course it is useful.

>>158041582
I'll keep trying, but part of me wants to give up. It is also worth pointing out that climbing with Aggro Bat is only going to get harder because more and more people are teching against Storm and Forest. Heals, wards, Angelic Barrage, etc.. are all such easy counters to Aggro Bat.

People are in near universal agreement now that Forest is by far the strongest class.

>>158041582
What does the list look like?

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>Wake up
>No steam release

>>158041007

They can just clear your board using 6 mana twisting nether

>>158041874
oh there you are

>play aggro
>go up against haven
>they play Temple Defender
>you now can't do anything until the turns after you're supposed to be strong
>they auto win

>>158041001
I agree that the meta is not in a very healthy way right now but

>DE added more RNG cards
How many of the new RNG cards are actually used? I can only think of Flies, and shadow is a fringe class.

>More combo cards
Define "combo", the most dominant combo deck is still D Shift still, which only uses a few new spells from DE. Do you mean stuff like Vania that combos with your bats or something like Tia and Mary?

>>158041927
spend all your PP and a strong aoe on one evolved card?
Sure go ahead. No reason to flood the board if your minion is uncontested.

>>158042240

>Play forest
>Against haven
>Shit draw without anything to play first 3 turns
>Auto lose

>>158041874

Just one more month anon-kun.

>>158042256
Don't forget how Vania combo still really weak

>>158041852
Dragonewt Charlotte and Alwida's command, and Aurelia are good too. There's literally no other high cost wards you can run in the deck.

Even looking at other decks, Vampire Queen is good, Death's Breath is good, Cleric Lancer is good, Goblinmount is good, Neptune is good. And that's not mentioning the shitton of good low cost wards, some of which are outright broken like Ancient Elf.

What do you mean anyway? That there isn't some 8 cost vanilla follower with Ward that isn't good? Well you wouldn't run a vanilla follower with no effect in the first place, what makes you think a vanilla follower with ward would fare any better?

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>>158038410
Is Vampy's brother nice to her?

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>>158040146
>why waifus automatically make it superior?
Do you like attractive females? Shadowverse has more of them than Hearthstone. If so, by definition it has more of "thing that you like" and is therefore better.

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Oh sick, my last Forte and it's animated.

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>>158041874
Oi! What are you doing up so early Nico-chan? Back to sleep before you get you know what

>>158042256
It's not just about if they are strong or not.

It's about them existing. If those are the kinds of cards we can expect to see more of in the game, then that's not a good thing.

If Haven wasn't as strong as it is right now, Shadow would probably see more play meaning we'd be seeing more Lord of Flies. In a lot of situations the whole game is determined by what it summons.

Flies is just one example though. Imagine if we start seeing more cards like it.

>>158042441
>Alwida's Command

Call of the Wild is also good in HS. It's good because you can instant trade or go face and also evolve the other one for even more power.

Goblinmount is not good right now. Vampire Queen is part of a T3 deck and is often removed from that deck and rarely seen in the T2 aggro variant.

A lot of your examples are from Sword, which is most definitely a special case. Many of the other ones are cards that summon multiple cards, and those are good because they are roadblocks and you don't care if they die. Cards like Goblinmount take your whole turn and sacrifice a lot because of it.

Death's Breath summons a bunch of cards which is why it works. Even then Shadow sees barely any play. I almost never see Cleric Lancer

How do I prevent Dshift rune from tenderly ravaging my virgin asshole as control?

>>158043294

Go aggro and go 2nd.

>>158043294
You can't, your maiden's chastity is doomed.

>>158042548
From what my non Granblue self remembers he didn't like her hanging around the hero and friends at first, the future queen of Vampires has no place gallivanting with commoners but eventually comes to tolerate it. Generally he's protective but she's independent so he can't force her hand

>>158042441
You forgot Frontguard General, hombre.

>>158043294
Play for the early game or recognize that like all competitive games ever there are counters and hard counters to things. Losing to Dshift sometimes is definitely worth having strong matchups to many of the other strong decks

>>158043294
What Control doesn't run any aggro options?
Just mulligan for those.

Does any deck run Dragonsong Flute.

Seems to me that this card is pretty bad to run 3x and can come too late if you're in overflow.

>>158043091
>It's good because you can instant trade or go face and also evolve the other one for even more power.
A ward card with an immediate effect is good, what a surprise

>Goblinmount is not good right now. Goblinmount isn't "good" because the decks that it's typically used in aren't good, like Satan. It's the same issue with Cleric Lancer. The card itself is fine and if decks like Satan ever come back into the meta we'll see them run again, just like Guardian Sun; a good card, just not appropriate for the decks that are strong right now. It has nothing to do with Dance of Death, it's not like Aggro and midrange didn't have ways to remove him easily pre-DE.

>Vampire Queen is part of a T3 deck and is often removed from that deck
What control blood decklists don't run Vampire Queen? I'm tired of this bs about how she's shit, yes Control Blood is shit but Vampire Queen is a great card. You cannot answer all 3 bodies with a single card aside from mass boardwipes like Themis. I would not think twice about replacing Otohime with her in Control Sword in the 6 slot.

>Many of the other ones are cards that summon multiple cards, and those are good because they are roadblocks and you don't care if they die.
Wow, no way. It's almost like big ass vanilla followers that do nothing for 6+ cost are bad. Again, what are you expecting? For them to print Imperial Mammoth with ward and expect it to be good? I listed almost all the high cost wards in the game except for complete garbage like Raging Ettin.

>>158043607
You probably just whack them for a couple points of damage and then your aggression fizzles out as you draw into the control portions of your deck.

>>158041001
>any big follower just gets destroyed immediately.
this is what you get when you let magic devs design a game
above a certain mana cost, anything that dies to removal after your opponent untaps is useless. It has to have haste, a consequential ETB, a consequential death trigger, or something.
Goblinmount was doomed from the start. Cleric Lancer was doomed from the start. It's only an accident of the classic cardset that they were allowed to exist unmolested. This isn't a bad thing, or at the very least it's not a sign that SV is going to become hearthstone

>>158043646
I run it as a one of in the hydra otk deck I use to clear dailies. as far as I'm concerned its a good one of but I dont play dragon on ladder nor do I have any semblance of a collection for it so honestly, I doubt any strong list has it.

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>>158043498
I guess that's acceptable.

Vampy is a vampire princess? Did not know that.

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>enemy places an amulet
>good thing I just teched in a removal specifically for those
>use that card to clear the board
>oh shit, it's now worse
>concede in shame

I know I'm an idiot, but why didn't they use a new keyword for amulets instead of lazily slapping down last words to trigger their effect

>>158044060
People destroy my Haven amulets all the time in Take Two. I feel so bad for them when they realize what it does.

>>158044017
iirc then yeah she's a vampire princess

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>>158044060

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>>158044017
Are you serious?

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Help me out buttbois

51488

>>158043646
It's pretty shitty. I think the only reason they put it in was so Dragon could play a deck that put a bunch of bodies on the field late instead of one or two big ones. I've tried out decks using it and in the end I still have to rely on Forte and Genesis to end matches most of the time, so you might as well run regular Ramp or Face Dragon.

>>158043791
I also want to add that Seraph Haven typically still runs Goblinmounts and Clerics too.

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>>158044323
Yeah, I haven't gotten her card yet unfortunately. I didn't realize she had a title on there.

Does this mean we'll get a Vania, Vampire Queen card? Please cygames.

>>158044347
Thank you resident waifufag

Does it matter how many packs I open at once?

>>158044640
Why would the number of packs you open at once chance a chance which is set before-hand?

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>>158037424
>>158037851

Good taste, anons.

Now we just need the rest of this artist's cards in-game, instead of just Charlotte, Lilith, Succubus and Giant Slayer

>>158044640
No, there's no guaranteed SS card or anything for doing 10 at a time or anything like that. Each pack is generated separately.

>>158044640
No.

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>>158044782
I like mel/a for some reason. Dunno why. It's a mystery.

>>158044640
3 packs every monday wednesday and friday, and 5 packs on the night of the new moon, never break this tempo

>>158044420
Yeah the extremely strong deck of Seraph Haven runs them, sees tons of play, and has a fantastic win rate.

>>158044420
where do people get information like this
playing the game obsessively until you queue into enough seraph players to make a judgment? watching lots of streams? following jap players on twitter? Because the first two netdecks I pulled don't have goblinmount or cleric, but I'm not exactly confident in those netdeck sites' comprehensiveness

What legend should I craft?

Currently playing Garuda Haven and I got shit all for slot in legendaries like Flute, Beast Dominator, Tsubaki, Rose Queen, Pascale, Bloody Mary, Skullfane and Mythril Golem. Moon, Olivia, what should I make?

>>158045073
None. You don't need any for Storm Haven so just save your vials for the next expansion or if they nerf cards.

>>158044973
This isn't christian.

>If a card gets banished it doesnt count as a shadow

OH NOOO

>>158045021
Like I said, it's more that stall-y wincon decks like Seraph or Satan are weak right now and less that Goblinmount and Cleric are bad. They serve a specific purpose.

>>158045026
The netdecks I've seen include them, and if you think about it yourself, what else would you run in the 5slot that advances Seraph's gameplan anyway? Their single goal is to stall until 8, and Goblinmount/Cleric slows the other deck down and forces them to commit more to taking it out right before your Seraph turn. It doesn't matter if it gets removed unless you are already super behind, which shouldn't happen that often between scripture and baldy.
And honestly, I don't understand what the point of this discussion is anymore. So over 50% of the wards in the game that cost 5+ are good, and nearly all the ones that cost 4 or less are also good, so wards are bad now?

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>People running Death Sentence in constructed

>>158045653
It's good in the Seraph deck

>>158045503
and before you say dshift and ptp, ptp is hardly stall nowadays with fucking Tia and their early game combined with Ancient Elf, you can barely tell the difference between it and midrange tempo half the time until Altered Fate hits.

Dshift is just the only exception and it's only because it's good against PtP. It gets fucked by nearly every fast deck.

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>that sneaky PtP shadow
that will show them

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>>158044973
>It's a mystery.

Yeah, there's just something about it that really does it for me. Can't quite put my finger on it though. Really hoping this girl gets added next card set update, maybe we can get some of the holiday-edition cards from RoB too if we're lucky.

>Demonic Simulacrum

this is the first card I've seen that just looks unplayably bad desu. At least it's an animated gold so that's a fair amount of vial.

fuck I just want to win some game bros when the fuck should I attack the enemy monsters and when should I attack the general

this is what seems to be screwing me over the most

>>158045653
>slam death sentence the turn before a big burst turn
>opponent can't play his play without it getting smacked down

What's the problem?

>>158045503
>what else would you run in the 5slot that advances Seraph's gameplan anyway?
Based on what I'm seeing? Nothing, the curve is very lean and should remain as such
End your curve with radiance angel + themis decree + seraph, maybe splash in curate, moon, or even garuda if you want to hybridize, but only if
when I look hard enough I see people running lancer or goblinmount (I'm completely disregarding gamewith because gamewith isn't people, there's no evidence that anyone has actually tried to ladder with their random-ass decklist shat out to fill space) but I had to look hard, is the point

>>158046052
Realistically, the only way to play it is summon him after Neptune.

>>158046129
If sword just go face

>>158046357

what does that even mean

and how did you know I was playing swordcraft

>>158046295
Problem is it costs 4 mana so it's to slow and too little to nip aggro in the bud, doesn't stop you from dying on the next turn (which is what happened to me when I posted that image) and doesn't stop your opponent from investing their next turn's mana into amulets or draw or anything other than creatures.

>>158046426
Sword is fucking fast and minions buff themselfs this is why you only control when the result is extremaly favorable.

>>158046308
http://game-ai.jp/shadowverse/jcg-open-vol-17/
http://game-ai.jp/shadowverse/seraph-lapis-bishop/
http://game-ai.jp/shadowverse/jcg-open-vol-17/

I literally clicked on a random list after looking 5 seconds and found three that runs goblinmount or cleric or both.

i dont know if game-ai lists are shit or not because i don't typically netdeck but my point is that it's a thing people choose to run.

and honestly, if your problem with Goblinmount is that it's not good against fast decks, I don't know how radiance angel fares any better, if not worse.

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Why do people run Urd?

>>158046725
>Forestcraft jerks themselves off for 5 minutes bouncing a bunch of fairies and ends the turn with a +4/4 Ancient Elf
>Urd it
>laugh

>>158046725
Very versatile.

>second storm
>activate last words
>remove buffs
>devolve

>>158046725
She lets storm followers attack twice.

>>158046725
So my Forte can smack you twice.

>>158046725
>elf shitter develops a giant Ancient Elf by playing it on a on a full board, evoles it to kill my biggest guy
>Urd the Elf
>now its a 2/3 that any one of my chumps can kill

>have lethal on board but Crystal Eve is in the way
>Urd her
>devolves and loses ward

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>>158035064
>>158034827

>>158046678
>and honestly, if your problem with Goblinmount is that it's not good against fast decks
i don't have any problem with goblinmount, sorry if I got mixed up with another poster
I was just (You) baiting because I wanted to know how other people go about looking for decklists
for instance, you choose to read links from metas that are 19 days old or worse, in terms of refinement / current relevance

>>158035064
>basic card that's going to be in literally every mage deck forever
>looks like complete shit

gg blizz

If i'm playing aggro sword against blood craft, should i still be no-braining and hitting face all the time or should i try to wait and otk him so he doesn't get off vengance?

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>Blood shitter has 4 bats out
>Garuda my 1-off Devourer of Heavens
>They leave

>>158046725
trade your guy into some big ward that leaves him with 1 or 2 hp
>urd him
>back to full health

>burd spawns from amulet
>kill ward
>urd the burd
>hit face

>have Aiela that haven shitter hasnt banished somehow
>Urd Aiela
>gain 1PP and still have Aiela

>drop Mordecai
>Urd him
>now you have 2 Mordecais

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>>158046725

> win 1 private match

83400

>>158046498
Its use in Seraph is to stop your opponent from setting up a kill board turn 7 so you can use turn 8 to play Seraph.

>>158047612
If they're aggro, it's okay to race them. If you can identify they're control, then you be more careful.

>>158047761
one boner not enough

>>158047612
Blood can easily get vengeance if you don't hit.
And this hability is shit

>>158047417
Like I said, I don't typically netdeck so I just looked up something quickly. When I do face Seraph (rarely) on ladder (AA0 currently) I do see them run Goblinmount, and much less often Cleric but I figured that's not really good proof of anything since you see all kinds of janky shit.

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>Control against what I think is a storm haven
>Suddenly he whips out a seraph and uses his cooldown cards on that instead of Arias
I'd do it too, if I had any seraphs.

>>158047834

pls respond

Golds I can make:
Timeworn Mage Levi
Vania
Phantom Howl
Ceridwen
Calamitous Curse
Juno's Secret Laboratory
Neptune

I have piecemeal versions of bat, earth rite, and midrange dragon. I also want to make a shadow deck of some kind and an aggressive rune deck of some kind. Which golds should I craft first?

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>>158046725

>>158047930
actually, either way I found another deck on the first page of their list that runs goblinmount after checking another jp site

http://xn--shadowverse-e63t796khk9bk11e.com/jcg-shadowverse-open/%E3%80%90%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%89%E3%82%A6%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%80%91%E7%AC%AC17%E5%9B%9E%E3%83%BB%E7%AC%AC18%E5%9B%9Ejcg%E5%A4%A7%E4%BC%9A%E3%81%AE%E5%84%AA%E5%8B%9D%E8%80%85%E3%83%87/

this one is 12 days old so idk. Either way I don't think it's an unreasonable choice.

>>158047612
if it's Aggro then go crazy because it's just going to be a damage race. If it's control then you have to think about Righteous Devil and Diabolic Drain.

>>158047834

come on

>>158037143
And I think it's a waste since there should be other more important commanders you should be prioritizing.

>>158047834

again

hopefully someone that just concedes at the start this time

>>158048687
kill yourself nigger

>>158036239
You don't need Sage Commander or Wind God for Control since you're not trying to win through burst damage or anything. Olivia or Leonidas if you put him in is going to let you win late in the game

>cards that require at least 2 evolved allied followers on the field

so many of these seem real damn bad, it seems pretty rare that you can have 2 on the field and if you've already gotten 2 to stick you're already super far ahead and winning.

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>>158048790
I think it was supposed to be paired with Reina but yeah it's still dumb.

>>158048941
Time to play more dragon anon

>>158048786
Not him, but I run a 2/2 split of Sage/Fujin in mid and it works just fine.

>tfw ywn bounce Tia up and down

how many bunnies for storm

>>158049323
1

I wish earth rune did something other than spam guardian golems. That's a really stupid idea.

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>>158049214
Tia is cute!
CUTE!

thanks vampyfag appreciate it

>>158049413
Golem spam is more fun to deal with than DShift.

>>158049413
t. aggro shitter

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>>158049441

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>>158049456
May Vampychan smile upon you.

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outfaced

>>158049339
why not all the bunnies?

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>made it to B0

I finally did it! My goal is A0 this month as I know there's no way I can make it to Master. Wish me luck anons

I just Sword that was running Leonidas + Urd.
He was able to combo it but still lost. I still haven't seen Leonidas do anything useful.

>>158050253
I feel like Olivia is a lot better honestly. Leonidas is more value but he's just so fucking slow.

>>158045653
It's strong in Seraph. Elana and Storm don't use it because it slows down their gameplan. With Seraph you can actually use it proactively to shut down opponent's options. It's like Doomsayer, except in some situations it can be way better because silencing (or killing if they already had a board) Doomsayer can be really easy and cheap, but destroying Death Sentence is going to cost them a lot of their mana that turn.

>clear their board and setup death sentence on turn seven
>they just cycle or accomplish little else their turn seven
>slam down seraph turn eight

That's the basic idea. Does it often work? Probably not and it is awful against aggressive decks because they'll just slam too many threats down at once

>>158043646
The fact that they are Rush and not Storm, and that they only have 3 HP sucks complete ass.

>>158050305
Olivia is pretty good. I'm running her and she often wins the game for me in more grindy games vs another sword or necro.
You can't afford to play a 9 mana minion that does nothing on the turn it's played. And even if you play him and don't die the same turn it's still way too hard to activate his last word.

>>158049413
>That's a really stupid idea.

Ok, I'll bite.

why is it stupid?

>>158050253
I've tried Leonidas in Control Sword and everyone just attacks face and ignores him or he gets banished by Odin or whatever. Honestly Satan would probably be better since they both don't do anything once they're on the board. Olivia is way better than both though.

>>158048274
Only two of those are great, the rest are okay to mediocre

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>>158050232
Good luck, friendo

>>158050232
The real ladder doesn't begin until you reach A.

>>158047612
Aggro Blood main here. Sword is one of the worst matchups imo. If they go face, they will always win the race. It's when they start to trade a lot that they lose. Just go face and only trade if it keeps board presence afterward. You can trade into obvious things like Vania or the wolves.

Also your goal is to put them deep into Vengeance. I'm not baiting. If you can get them to three HP, the game is almost over. If you get them to 2, they are screwed. Can't cycle, can't do the mass summon bats, can't do the claw, can't do the evolve do 3 damage to both (if they run it), etc...

Obviously this doesn't always work out as they sometimes just have immense mana efficient burn in their hand, but usually it is never that clean.

My goal in that matchup is to always spook the Sword player into thinking I've got way more damage in hand than I do, and that gets them to trade.

>>158050836
Really? I'm at D1 and all I face are meta decks.

>>158050729
Which ones are those?

>>158051171
in A and up winrate actually matters

>>158051171
That's because of the sandbaggers. Luckily they have to lose more often than they win, so they're not so bad.

Unless a lot of the new players are netdecking rerollers

Would Aggro Blood become too strong if they got a 1/1 Bat for one mana card? I find that the weakest part of the deck is actually the turn one. Blood only has a single decent one drop and some decks don't even run the bloodfang spell, not that it is useful on turn one anyway. The deck is overloaded on two drops as well so often times your turn three is just a two drop

>>158048012
Seraph is super fun. Once I've got enough vials I'm going to craft the rest of the cards I need to run it. I don't care if it loses hard to Dimensional Shift. It's just such a cool deck.

>>158049441
I like to bounce her up and down and get her off a bunch

Would Lord Atomy be broken if it was a neutral card? I could see him being really strong with Forest, Blood, and Sword.

>>158049413
Yeah it would be nice to have more cool things to do with Earth. Hopefully they add another Rite that's extremely offensive or something.

>>158050092
I think you could run up to 3 if you wanted to but it's not really required.

>>158051336
If Queen vampire had drain or rush this chixk would be useful

If bats have storm too.

>>158051316
Meanwhile I face quite a bunch of solitaire players in C and D here...I wonder what the fuck is wrong with the player pool

Those decks are the complete opposite of cheap and solitaire is not the obvious OP of the meta so why? Do they just like harvesting salt?

>>158050697
I just feel that it's boring that the whole earth rite thing does pretty much one thing.

>>158051195
Vania and Howl are great

Ceridwen can work but it's a toss up, Neptune is also okay, except that you don't really have any ways of producing many orcas to get insane value from that card, so most of the time you just have Neptune evolved and an orca evolved. Neptune doesn't even gain any stats when she evolves, she remains a 5/5. Calamitous Curse is okay, but you have better aoe removal as Rune like Fire Chain.

Everything else is mediocre

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>>158051360
Every Goddamn time.

>>158051520
>Those decks are the complete opposite of cheap
You serious? If you don't want to play bat blood or banner sword, dshift is the cheapest meta deck in the game. Arguably aggro shadow is cheaper depending on build, but 1) people fall for the shadowcraft is dead meme, and 2) still not the same genre for people who enjoy playing dshift-style decks
also solitaire is kind of hard // kind of bad, which explains why they're still in shitter ranks

The tempo forest deck actually looks like it'd be fun to play as opposed to something like storm haven, heal haven, seraph haven, dshift rune, or aggro stuff. Is it actually fun? It looks like something I'd aim for making in the far future.

>>158051514
Queen Vampire is a weird card. It's too slow to run in aggro and the effect doesn't warrant running it over something more aggressive. On the other hand, the bat synergy it provides feels almost wasted when used in control. You can combo with it in some ways and it's a cool card, but I would like to see an aggressive version of it to put into aggro.

Aggro just needs more bat cards I think. It's a strong deck, but the synergy could be more interesting. Maybe even a midrange variant could emerge with new cards. Queen would probably see play there.

I really like the idea of Night Horde. I think a midrange deck will definitely emerge if the next expansion has anymore bat stuff.

>>158051892
This is /vg/ you can't point out to them that Dshift has a lot of awful matchups. They just want to complain that their favorite deck doesn't have a 100% winrate against all decks.

>>158051520
I don't know if the traditional cheap sword deck still works, but banner might.

Back when I played there was a smooth progression like this:
D: kiddie pool
C: incomplete decks and janky ideas
B: people trying really hard to get to A
A: people who stay in A unless they have multiple complete or nearly complete meta decks, and you're probably fighting one. If you don't have at least a half decent deck for each craft your dailies become eternal hell.

>>158051945
Tempo decks are usually fun. They have answers to every situation and are typically very flexible.

I don't have the cards to play it, but Forest looks like an extremely fun class to me because of all the different things it can do. Great cycle and it can easily play aggressively or just keep clearing the board. Plus, its combos are actually really cool. It's honestly the kind of thing I always wanted to see in Rogue, but just never happened.

>>158051892
6 golds and 2 Merlin's minimum isn't that cheap, aggro shadow and midrange dragon are way cheaper. Don't give me shit about how you don't need merlin.

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>there are people IN THIS THREAD who think Queen Vampire is bad

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Pick one.

>>158051969
>slow
This is why i hate her when i finally can summon her is 100% chance of loss because she do nothing in the board.

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>he played 2 dimension shifts with this board
>still couldnt kill me

>>158052264
I'm going to marry vampy and make her a queen!

>>158052357
right

>>158052369
>Haven

>>158052440
Thanks anon.

Requesting help with room match quest. Room number 37510.

>>158052360
Yeah, putting up two wards is "doing nothing" just like death's breath is "doing nothing"

You use Queen Vampire by evolving her out on curve and trading into something. The other player can't answer her without going through the other two bats first, meaning they're forced to use a removal spell on her or have her 2-for-1 them the turn after by ramming into something else or their face.

Queen Vampire doesn't need to be combo'd with bats just like Death's Breath doesn't need to be combo'd with zombies on the board. They're good cards even ignoring that aspect.

>>158052398
Queen Vampire and Vampy would make a great combo
When both are in the field all the minons gains drain,storm and bane.

>>158052398
I'm going to inseminate vampy and make her a mommy!

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>>158052357
Poor Selwyn, outshined immediately on release. I literally don't even know what he does.

>>158052215
>aggro shadow and midrange dragon are way cheaper
Don't give me shit about how you don't need cerberus
or, for midrange dragon, forte plus other legendaries to back it up
between the fortes, dragonewts, and random urds/deathmists, even face dragon is more expensive than dshift

>build a Face dragon deck without Forte but otherwise an exact netdeck match because fuck using resources on a dead class
>get people to 7 and emote
2 japs conceded, and one called my bluff like a man. fuck dragon and fuck cygames for dailies that always hit the 2 classes I dont play

>>158052694
Thank you anon.

What are the new Face Dragon's major weaknesses?

>>158053063
>conceding
>ever
You want to win you better finish this, boy

>>158052912
But you don't actually have to have cerb and midrange dragon doesn't need any legendaries at all. I actually played poverty versions of all 3 decks.

BIG ISABELLE TITTIES

>>158052734
All the classes have a good ansewr against the fabulous combo of QM+evolve.

>>158053235
I SEE YOUR WEAKNESS

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>>158053309
LUNA'S FUNBAGS

>>158053365
Oh yeah? Name something that can wipe out all 3 that doesn't take 2 cards or is a board reset.

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>>158053479

>>158053479
Get that disgusting meat off my beloved Lunachan.

>>158053235
Decks with lots of wards. The only notable ones that do that now are Control Sword and Shadow, and earth rite Rune.

>>158053479
ルナちゃんの勝ちだ

>>158053479
Upgrades are my fetish.

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>Bloodcraft is decent in arena, guys! I swear!

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>>158053479
Luna doesn't look right when she's not in a cute outfit

>>158054128
>I couldn't possibly be bad at the game or drafting!
>This class is shit even though others perform well with it on a regular basis!

>>158054128
If you lose the last one, consider ending your life.

>>158054128
The dream

>>158054128
>>158054223
To be fair I only do good with blood in arena if I get lots of healing and removal cards.

>>158053554
Any deal 1 or 2 damage to all enemies or even a one deal 3 damage to a follower because you evolve Queen to trade with threats lowing down the hp to 3 or 2.

>>158054128
>make a sick ass deck based around vengeance mechanic
>anything above 10hp is already lethal range by turn 3-4
>never get to have fun with vengeance

>>158054223
I consistently go at least 4-1 with every single other class. Bloodcraft is the only unplayable trash class this happens with.
>Boy, can't wait to play all these trashy shit cards that hurt myself while I keep getting facefucked by Sword and Shadow! YAY!

Need help with private, please. 89379

>>158054128
I like Blood, but it's complete trash for arena sadly.

>>158054462
>everyone else easily gets at least 3 wins with blood
>I can't so the problem is the deck
Sorry senpai, you're just shit at blood.

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Post 1/2
17 golds (2 animated, 1 is vania)

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8 legendarys (3 animated)

New player, been casually rerolling for the last day or two, I've only tried 2-3 campaigns but I think I want to work towards a sword deck eventually, thinking of keeping this reroll because I got a bunch of legendaries for sword and an animated vania which is neat, any thoughts?

>>158054342
>1 damage to all enemies
Only kills the bats despite costing half your turn at 6, and doesn't even kill the queen unless she's literally at 1.

>2 damage to all enemies.
Yeah, I'm sure gonna play Fafnir or Jeanne on turn 6. Okay, Dragon might actually be able to do that, but still, and it's still not guaranteed to kill Queen depending on what you evolved her against. The only realistic way to even do 2 damage on turn 6 is to double angelic barrage or Forbidden Ritual + Countdown reduction, both of which are two cards and the former costs you tempo.

>3 damage to all enemies
So you mean just Shadow and other Blood decks? You forced them to Foul Tempest on 6, costing them 6 shadows and their ability to use Death's Breath afterwards? And for Blood, you cost them the entire turn meaning you can just play another fucking Queen and still have tempo?

great "answers," this is why people don't take bloodfags seriously even if the class needs a lot of help, you guys bitch about cards that are actually good as if every single card in the Bloodcraft is underpowered.

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>cucking 3 Swordcraft players in a row
Serves you right for being such fucking tryhards in arena.

>>158055034
You should be aware that Midrange and Control Sword are pretty expensive so if you use those you'll have to either dust a lot of stuff or spend money, or just get really lucky. Although since you're starting out you should do pretty well with just a cheap Face Sword deck and eventually move into mid or control if you want.

>>158054128
said no one ever

The general consensus is that Blood is along with Forest and Rune as being classes you should never draft in Arena unless you absolutely have to or you're feeling lucky.

You can definitely win with them, but their base gimmicks just don't work well outside of constructed.