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Dueling Network/Yu-Gi-Oh! General #2306
Last thread: >>154926637

Total Buyout Edition

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Useful Links:
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http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/rulebook/EN_SDSE_Rulebook.pdf
Wiki with a wealth of information for the players:
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Yu-Gi-Oh! stock market:
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OCG decklists:
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https://ygorganization.com/category/decklists/ocg-decklist/weekly-ocg-decklist/
TCG decklists:
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TCG/OCG news sites:
https://ygorganization.com/
http://blog.livedoor.jp/maxut/
Hypergeometric Probability Calculator:
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Official /dng/ ruling test:
https://testmoz.com/466984

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●TCG: Rivals of the Pharaoh (September 15)
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Before asking to be spoonfed, try the following:
● READ THE OP.
● Read the cards.
● Lurk and read the archives.
● Google your deck before you post it here. If your deck is/was competitive it will probably have topped an event, see the provided links above.
● Most games have single rounds or a best of three match; matches are encouraged as they teach you to make use of your side deck for tournament play.
● If you want to improve, netdeck and playtest constantly.
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>>155003557
Is there a problem with that?
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Glory on the Academia
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Norden is a fairy, so you can splash him to Ritual.dek and use Ritual Sanctuary recycle effect to reuse him.

Goddamnit, he's so busted these days.
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3rd for Duel Links
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Level Eater did nothing wrong!
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Thanks Konami, now we need another special snowflake ruling.
Silent Swordsman from Duelist Pack: Rivals of the Pharaoh has an effect which states
"You can Special Summon 1 "Silent Swordsman" monster from your hand or Deck, except "Silent Swordsman", ignoring its Summoning conditions."
Level Modulation states "Special Summon 1 "LV" monster from your Graveyard, ignoring the Summoning conditions. "
Since Level Modulation has been ruled unable to special summon Silent Swordsman Lv7 That would mean this is unable to as well.
So this effect could only summon LV5 and LV3 which do not have summoning conditions that need ignoring.
That must mean this card can summon LV7, which means it goes against previously established rulings.
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mana!
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>>155004183
I think the ruling states that you can't ignore special summoning condition from grave.
Or Level Modulation actually doesn't ignore special summoning condition at all.

Something in that line.
It isn't related to the new Silent Swordsman at all.
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>>155004183
The ruling that says stuff like SSLV7 and Horus LV8 can't be summoned with Modulation is outdated, (now) unofficial, and is just straight up illogical, so things can easily be fixed by quickly retconning the modulation ruling in a single sentence.

But since KoA is fucking incompetent they'll probably just ignore it.
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>>155004105
>blind allure
>allure with two omega
And yeah.
Level Eater did nothing wrong.
It's just Librarian carry the whole deck. Without Librarian, it's just a janky card that do nothing, except maybe allow you to summon 3 Starve Venom, or easier ZA WARUDO lock.
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>>155004426
I might just ignore the old ruling then using the new silent swordsman as an example. Would really like level modulation to be useful again, like it was before they "ruled" it that way.
>>155004331
It might be graveyard specific, sadly the rulings bases around this mechanic date back to UD days and are unclear.

Hopefully someone will ask on that facebook group and get a response. A clarification on ignoring conditions could effect the game quite a bit.
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>>155004654
You can special summon LV7 with Level Up!

This is from UDE era, and they allow it.
I think it's either specific grave only, or specific to level modulation only.
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>>155004757
That's a good point, forgot about that.
I see random forums posts claiming the ruling is grave based, but no sources ever...
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>>155004196
>there are people who actually believe she'd look better white
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Since when have Masked Heros or what ever the fuck you call this monstrosity able to put out these stupid boards?
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>>155004105
>BA
>navigation
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>>155004757
whelp just found possible counter points actually.
elemental hero core
Assault revival
both ignore summoning conditions from the grave.

Must be a LvL Modulation specific UD ruling. Don't know if we should still follow it then..
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>>155004835
>he doesn't like delicious brown
spotting low-test 101 2bh
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>>155004920
tzolkin have been a thing for a while
and to think people want stratos back
hero should just burn
>complain about BA has been here for 2 years
>heros are okay
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>>155004812
>>155005051
Both can only special summon monster that has been properly summoned.
I think I know the cause.
The only way you can summon a monster improperly is from Hand, Main Deck, or Extra Deck.
Level Modulation allow you to summon LV7 from grave if you have summoned it properly before.
OERebellion can't be summoned from Pendulum Zone or face-up in Extra Deck if you didn't summon it properly before.
I don't think you can summon nomi monster banished with Gold Sarc with Premature Return.

Just need confirmation for the last one.
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>Summon AG Devil for the first fucking time
>Get Chimeratech'd
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>>155005150
Yeah was just reading the rulings on those, Yeah its a graveyard thing. Looks like public knowledge spaces cannot be ignored. Wish this would have an official ruling rather than having to be found out by piecing together a bunch of card rulings. The wiki thing does technically state this, but that is a tewart quote[unsourced] from UD and is very outdated.
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>>155005312
Well, the ruling in Elemental HERO Core and Assault Revival states that you can only summon a card that's been properly summoned first.
But you can special summon nomi monster that has been special summoned first though. Assault Revival summoning /Assault Mode monster is an example.

And both ruling is not from UDE era.
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Still cant belive monarchs are still a thing. Also I believe that Subterrors need another Nemesis Monster that summons a Nemesis monster from the Deck. That way you can go It into Nemesis Warrior so that you can use Warriors effect to summon a Subterror, maybe Umastrix or some other lv 8 or lower monter that they get. That way the engine would get a very well needed Jump Start. Ive Been thinking about running Summoner Monk for that very reason what are your thoughts?
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>>155005587
Forget the part the about summoner monk I just read the card again.
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>>155005135
The thing is, HERO is not meta.
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>>155005587
Post dick
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>Test Espirit on Percy
>Summon Hikokujaku
>Return a monster my opponent controls to the hand
>Special Summon that same monster from my opponent's hand to my field
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hello? Yes I'd like to order one tier 1 deck please
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>>155005823
Why would you abandon you Ancient Gears right now professor Chronos?
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>>155005775
dick

This is what Ive been messing around with. So far it has been working for me.
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>>155005887
>What's that? Ancient Gear Gadget is Shockmaster?
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>>155005114
>he thinks I disagree with him
spotting reading comprehension 101 2bh
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>>155005790
>>Special Summon that same monster from my opponent's hand to my field
With what? Pluto?
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>>155005947
>What do you mean someone bought all our Pre-Preps for $1200?
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>>155006078
Hikokujaku's eff is broken and special summons the monster that was returned to the hand
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>>155005947
You're slow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Csgzj5wac4
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>>155004472
How the fuck do you think he was even able to go into Librarian you fucking retard?
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>>155005904
Many thanks. I'd post a deck in return, but I have nothing. Please accept this picture.
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>>155006190
How the fuck do you think he was even able to go into 3 OMEGA/3 Quasar/5 Omega/whatever his end board you fucking retard?

Summoning a single level 5 Synchro is never a big deal.
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>>155006308
Your mom is a big deal
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>>155006296
I remember seeing this pic with a funny caption.
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>>155006308
>Level Eater Gofu
>summon Sohaya
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>>155006308
And he does literally all of that with FUCKING LEVEL EATER you dipshit Synchro apologist. Fucking watch the webm
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>>155006090
>Wait why is he bouncing my Apex Avian
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>>155005947
goddamn it trip
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>>155006403
>>155006410
Everything just fucking stop with no Librarian.
On the first webm, They just go into 1 Omega and 1 level 5 Synchro.
On the second, in just stop with 1 Sohaya and 1 Librarian.

Librarian is the fucking lifeline of all synchro masturbation deck.
Without him, it just stop at 2 Synchro.
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>>155006354
New computer. I only have that picture and non-lewd pictures of Himiko Toga from Boku no Hero Academia.
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>>155006308
>>155004472
>level eater
>ever just a single level 5 synchro

Librarian is just what balances out minusing to put out a shitton of stuff to make using it with retarded amounts of plussing. Even in a situation that doesn't use Librarian at all or only gets a few draws off of it before being used as fodder, it's still invaluable for level manipulation and material and always has been. Calling it a fucking 'janky card' in a Synchro deck is retarded.

>>155006410
>still trying to push this shitty Synchro apologist meme

Fuck off along with the previous retard unless you start avatarfagging as Aporia or something.
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>>155006496
>They announced Cloudian support?
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I regret everything.
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>>155006550
Fucking count how many times he special summons Level Eater you dumb Mexican, it's not hard to see why this card is broken
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>>155006738
Count every fucking cardhe drew off Librarian you fucking retard
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>>155006661
>level manipulation
>total level in field remains the same
Yeah. So fucking useful.
Give me a 3 card Synchro combo that result in a decent board involving Level Eater, then we can talk.
Don't rely on what you draw either, because no Librarian.

Not pic related, because it needs other card to end with decent board.
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>>155005947
>What do you mean AG is finally playable?
Devil helps the deck way more than I had first though.
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>>155006806
Look at how he went into Librarian in the first place you dumb bitch
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>>155006806
Please, explain how he would have summoned Librarian without Level Eater.
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>>155006814
>Give me a 3 card Synchro combo that result in a decent board involving Level Eater
You cannot be serious
Gravebound Level Eater and Gofu is a TWO card combo that produces and insane board most of the time and in your own combo, Arma Knight would mill Level Eater 9/10 times
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>>155006814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdS1TA3Cbfw
2 cards, 2 Quasars, ZERO (0) Librarians.
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>>155006738
Count how many times he summon Quillbolt.
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>>155006814
>total level in field remains the same
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>Synchro apologists still refuse to accept Level Eater was a broken card that absolutely deserved to get banned

Your days are numbered in the TCG faggots. Might as well hop on the Dark Synchro train and get all of that degenerate Wind-Up Loop 2.0 shit out of your system before it gets fucked
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>>155006921
Give me exact combo.
Gofu + Level Eater in grave just result in 2 Sychro.
Unless you summon Librarian.
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>>155007123
Just like Zenmaity is broken, right?
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>>155005962
nani?
I'm agreeing with you retard
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>>155007168
>"Give me exact combo"
>get ready to type up combo just to end this stupid fucking argument
>"b-but Librarian doesn't count, so don't use that card"

WEW
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>>155006870
>>155006876
>Level Eater helps me summon Librarian
>it's broken!
It's so impressive a thing that helps you summon a level 5 Synchro is considered broken these days.
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>>155007356
I like how you're ignoring >>155006947
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>>155007356
>completely misrepresenting the argument

Try reading through that conversation one more time
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>>155007314
I thought we are talking about how Librarian should be banned instead of Level Eater.

And thank you, I've been looking for that pic for a while.
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>>155006947
>>155007420
>used up ALL of your ED
>fill your ED with shit like T.G.
>the only useful card in ED is Crystal Wing, Quasar, and Herald
>maybe some YZ Synchro
Yeah. That counts.
It's not even Dark Synchro, but that counts.

Now, the question is, will a deck like that end up being as obnoxious as Dark Synchro?
If a deck like that is popular and used by many people, will it warrant a Level Eater ban?
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I want to protect Dragon horn-chan!
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>>155007554
Dark Synchro alone already warranted a Level Eater ban
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>>155004196
sup marik!
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>>155007554
So? He asked for a 3-card Librarian-less combo that resulted in a decent board. I gave him a 2-card Librarianless combo that resulted in a near-gamewinning board. Whether or not it's consistent is irrelevant, because Librarian is what grants that consistency. I'm just showing that it's possible without Librarian.
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>>155007423
>look at those broken boards enabled by Level Eater!
>you need Librarian to do that
>but you need Level Eater to bring Librarian!
So?
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>>155006814
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>>155007702
Now we can talk.
So how consistent is it without Librarian, again?
It's like those 3 card aromage combo that result in Quasar.
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so i finally updated my ygopro just to find out that for some fucking reason they changed the background to some shitty animation that looks like out of an early bethesda game and lags my game

is there a way to go back to the old background so i can fucking play without having to wait 10 minutes for the card animations to stop?
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>>155007726
>this broken card enables this other broken card

Thanks for proving him right retard
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>>155007819
How the hell did you not know ygopro is fully customizable? Just change the background in your ygopro folder.
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>>155007756
RIP Synchrons
I will miss my daily Masturbation with the deck.
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>>155007819
Remove bg.ogv from textures or somethin like that
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>handrape has been a problem mechanic since the early days
>make strong generic handrape card anyway
>ban an enabler (that hasn't caused problems in years), not the card itself

sasuga konami
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>>155007927
>>155007947
thank you my men
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>>155007806
Did you not even read what he posted? You asked for a combo with Level Eater that arbitrarily didn't involve Librarian, and then he gave you one

Now you're asking for how consistent it is? Could you possibly move those goalposts any harder synchro apologist?
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>>155008068
>inconsistent combo warrants a ban
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How can i be as cool as Jack Atlas?
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>>155008380
Get a motorcycle
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>>155008380
>>155008512
And play card games on it.
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>>155005823
>>155005947
>>155006090
>>155006453
>>155006684
Is this a new meme?>>155006708
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>>155008629
I have nothing to do with that.
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what are some decent cards for spirit ritual.dek other than pre-prep, manju and the stratos ritual
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>>155008629
>What? They're making me a meme?
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>>155008979
Im attacking for game... What the fuck is a juragedo?
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>>155008335
No, a card that enables consistent "degenerate" combos warrants a ban. Which Level Eater does, in conjunction with Librarian. Banning Librarian would hurt Synchro decks a whole lot more than Level Eater on the whole, but Level eater enables those "degenerate" combos that Librarian makes consistent.
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>>155008792
Photon Thrasher, Nikitama (double summon spirit), Creature Swap and Drowning Mirror Force.
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how are my spirits looking?
(kannaki doesn't work yet, summoned hikoku with her on field and nothing happened)
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>>155010387
Why no Urgent Ritual Art?
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Is there a game mode where the game isn't over in 2-4 rounds?

Really like playing those junky themed decks, but you just got wrecked by some OTK combos on turn 2-4.
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(((155010762)))
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>>155010762
Nope. You'd need friends to play older formats, like GOATS or DRAGON RULERS.
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>>155010702
it's pink
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>tfw you get walled out by a ra sphere mode until deckout because you have no non-target outs
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>>155010762
You get better at the game.
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>>155010762
highlander
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>>155010940
So? Don't you want to bounce 3 monsters on your opponent's turn?
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>>155010940
You are a retard. I guess Return from the Different Dimension was bad because it's pink too?
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>>155011037
it's cute but i'll test it
space is very tight
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Am I the only one who is liking Duel Links
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>Yusei.dek will be dead in the OCG
>Fudo-style solitaire is ruined
WHY DID YOU KILL JESUS!?
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>>155011968
He ruins so many game with his masturbation turn 1.
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>TFW no level 8 spirit that you can return to your grave from banished at standby phase to add a ritual spell from grave to hand

I hope something like that gets leaked soon.
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>>155012087
>Winning against U.A.

Well, you proved us wrong. Synchros are definitely broken.
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How good you think the new ritual spirit shit is gonna be?
Non-targeting Mist Wurm is pretty good, and summoning Tsuru with the rituals eff nets you a draw in end phase, and then next turn as well if you use Urgent Ritual Art. The only spirit that floats though is Niki, so either they want you to neg hard as fuck for the ritual and recoup with Tsuru or theyre gonna print some shaddoll effects.
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>>155012102
It's Triamid/Chem Beast of the set.
Don't expect too much.
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>>155011968
I like how LDS actually have Fudou Style Solitaire Theory as it's class.

And how Composite course is the only course that teach you about surrendering.
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>>155012375
They have potential, they certainly have the tools to be good. I think what they need is >>155012102
And a spirit that special summons itself and searches a spirit to synergize with the espirit bird. Stuff like that. We'll just have to wait and see.
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>>155012694
>synchro, fusion and xyz users are literally unable to surrender
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>>155012694

>Reiji has a problem with Leo wanting to fuse dimensions
>Hes teaching Chou Yuugou Theory at his school
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>>155012694
>Synchro and XYZ are the only ones with "practical dueling" and "real dueling applications"

Figures.
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Buy me now.
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>>155012375
>bounce all my opponents monsters
>special Hino Kagu Suchi from hand and poke him
>he discards them all + his hand
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>>155012892
Already did, dummy.
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This recent talk about rituals and pre-prep makes me wonder. What if the Ritual Art Story line is leading up to a Ritual Form of Ritual Raven?
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>>155012916
Forgot your Shun.
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>>155012916
>SS 1 level 4 or lower spirit monster
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>>155012985
Him taking revenge on the cultists would be the funniest shit ever.
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>>155012987
>>155013028
>ss lvl 4
>normal nikitama
>summon hino
you've been tricked :^)
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>>155013109
Would gladly play whole deck based on Ritual Raven. We haven't gotten Dark Rituals in a long time anyway.
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>>155012985
hes being tributed for the ritual in question, he's not actually becoming the ritual himself. I expect to see more ritual raven ritual support spells though
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>>155013116
>Need ritual spell, ritual monster, level 4 spirit, Nikitama AND Hino-Kagu-Tsuchi in hand for it to work

Well memed
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>>155012694
That image is fan made you fucking retard. The original JP one didn't list any of those classes.
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>>155013116
You said special Hino, baka.
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>>155013215
It's a silly storyline to begin with so I wouldn't be surprised if the cultists fucked up and instead just powered up Raven instead of whatever they were trying to summon.
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>>155013251
>ritual spell, ritual monster
Pre-Prep the bull
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>>155013251
You also need a level 8 in hand or enough Spirits in the graveyard assuming you don't play ARA.
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>>155013340
>Still 4 card combo

Anon, Hino in this deck is SHIT.
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If Konami keeps making good rituals I expect pre-prep to get hit by the banlist very quickly. I expect them to make lvl 8 the "good ritual" cutoff point then unlimit Prep again.
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>>155013429
Hiko leaves 2 tribute materials after he leaves the board. You can Urgent ritual art him, bounce all your opponents shit, then summon Hino next turn. The synergy is clearly intentional with the rest of the spirits.
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Ruling Question:
If I have Solemn Judgement set and my opponent uses Call of the Haunted to summon Jinzo, can I chain Solemn Judgement to any part of that?
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>>155012375
>opponent summon Ritual Spirit
>return my face-down Settle Machine
>activates Settle Machine effect to return all his monster to hand
>chain Droll & Lock to Settle Machine effect since it's an effect that add card to hand
>chain Mind Wipe
>now opponent left with no hand and no field
>OTK next turn
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>>155013273
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Leo_Institute_of_Dueling
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>>155013593
Yes, you can solemn judgment the CoTH because Jinzo hasn't been summoned yet.
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>>155013593
solemn judgement can negate a spell or trap, so you negate the call of the haunted and Jinzo never touches the field.
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>>155013658
>>155013662
Thanks lads
Judgement to 1 when
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>>155013593
Wait... solemn judgement was a jaden card?
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>>155013273
It's translated version.
The JP one still say Fudou-Style Solitaire Theory.
And Fusion also have The Origins of Surrendering.
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>>155013718
No, just a weird rando card. Nobody in particular had it. Bandit Keith used it at one point in the original, but that's it.
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>>155003641
Is TDIL Special Edition being released in North America?
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>>155013705

When you move to japan.
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>>155011968
Like Stardust summoning himself back after negating Raigeki, synchros shall rise again!
Eventually
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>>155011968
>Konami thought the Synchron SD would be as good as the Hero SD
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>>155013785
Is this poster in the dub?
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>>155013718
jaden used a bunch of random shit, mirage of nightmare for example.
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>>155014569
Considering How much Konami loves xyz. I'm surprised they haven't made a Yuma themed SD. Every other protagonist has one now.
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>>155014661
It's weird that, when I see a hero deck it's usually just hero cards and maybe 1-2 staples.
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>>155014710
>I'm surprised they haven't made a Yuma themed SD. Every other protagonist has one now.
Probably because HOPU has enough shit and everything Yuma did was about tunnel visioning into him.
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Would D.D. Crow ever not let me get an Atlantean effect that would activate in grave when sent via any Water monster effect?
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>>155014710
>Yuya gets a Structure Deck before Yuma.

Then again, if the structure deck can make this card meta relevant, I wouldn't mind the wait
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>>155014930
>>155015024
Utopia itself has enough stuff. But i would like to see Gagaga's and Yumas other maindeck stuff get more support.
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>>155015024
The Gagaga's still have potential, they always did. Especially before though.
They just got screwed over royally by the Utopia cards. Their synergy with Utopia is fucking poor. Just bad.
Seriously. Yuma should have played a generic R4 deck or something if he wanted to wank it to Utopia so much.

Had we just gotten more Gagaga extra deck monsters things could have been spectacular.
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>>155014447
How do we improve/power creep this effect while still keeping "vanishes to protect your shit" theme
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>>155015254
Omni-negate
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>>155015254
>when your opponent activates a card effect, you can tribute this card; negate the effect and set the card on your side of the field.
>During the end phase, if this card is in the graveyard since it was sent there to activate this effect, you can Special Summon it.
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>>155014447
But my Stardust doesn't return after negating Raigeki.
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>>155015218
Doesn't help that their shit is restrictive and counteracts their own archetype
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>>155015443
Honestly still more balanced than REEEEEEEToad.
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>>155015254
Have it Special Summon another monster when it negates the effect, change nothing else.
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>>155015254
"During either players turn you can tribute this card, during that turn your cards cannot be targeted or destroyed by battle or card effects. if this card is in the graveyard because it was sent there this turn you can special summon this card during the endphase."

t. someone who knows almost nothing about PSCT
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>>155015575
Fuck this frog.
It's just so damn unfair to play against since unlike Infinity, you can't even bait the negate and kill it since he'll steal whatever you used to bait him.
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>>155015932
This thing also recycles itself so there's that too.
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>>155015932
The problem is Bahamut, just like with Ptolememe
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>>155015683
>It get tribute itself whenever so you can "dodge" shit like Castel
>Field wide March on any of your cards on a quick effect.
>Can do it each turn unless it get D.D Crow'd

Pretty good desu.
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>>155016085
It's really not, but it'll be the one hit anyway.
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>Have to burn through all my resources keeping up with cursed king and contract's bullshit
>Finally destroy their whole field, only frightfur tiger and one of their scales left on field with no cards in either hand
>They topdeck Copernicus and shit this out onto the field

I underestimated how degenerate this D/D deck was. Can they always pull this kind of stuff off from having nothing? I may have to try it, if so.
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29667120
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>>155016850
>Leonidas
>Night Howling
This isn't even a good D/D build and you're complaining?
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>>155017194
I'm playing Fluffals, so yes. Everything seems too good compared to them, I guess.
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>>155017194
what's wrong with Night Howling?
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>>155017313
Lamia is just way better.
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>>155017367
I use it with the level 4 that changes the a D/D's level.
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>>155016085
And there's not even that many good level 4 WATER monster.
I mean, there's only Norden, Tin, Bubbleman, and maybe some of the atlantean.
Norden gotta get banned soon and the other can't be splashed easily.

If Darklaw get banned, I don't think Treat will be used even in Rogue deck.
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>>155012087
>synchro masturbation into Slifer
Now I've seen everything.
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>>155017592
>If Darklaw get banned, I don't think Treat will be used even in Rogue deck.
This so much.
Shadow Mist and Stratos can go to 3 and stay there.
Just take away Dark Law and everything will be alright, the single card makes the graveyard invalid and turns any +0 searching into a -1.
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>>155017824
The search is OPT.
People always forget about this.
And if that searching is from monster/cont. spell, it only becomes +0 anyway.
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>>155017917
I mean, the banish from hand when searching.
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>>155015932
>playing negations in a fortress meta
lol
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>>155018340
>Ancient Gear
>meta
Please stop being delusional. It can't even compare to ABC
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>>155018643
>activate fortress
>either waste his effect on it or lose
>get catapulted for game
Your reign of terror is over, Kaiba. The new meta machine deck is here.
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Anyone have a link to the D/D flowchart? I remember someone mentioning there was one.
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>>155018812
>flip ASF at draw phase
>entire deck dies.
>banish whatever shit they put on board since literally no protection anywhere
>R4 > any of the Ancient Gear Fusions
Have fun in Tier 2/3 with the rest of the trash.
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>>155019018
Oh yeah? Well I opened MST!
Power bond and Limiter Removal for game!
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>>155019334
>shit that never happens
lol
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>>155019573
>using anti-worlds fragrance
the only thing to lol at is you
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>>155019573
Now show the retarded burger vs our Lord and Saviour Shunsuke Hiyama
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>>155015024
What did Yuma use in the manga? More Utopia wanking or did he use more Gagaga cards that weren't in the anime?
I could see them justifying a Yuma Structure Deck if the game was missing manga cards.
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>>155019761
>More Utopia wanking or did he use more Gagaga cards that weren't in the anime?
Both of these, it's where Utopia Prime and Lightning came from.
GaGaGa Head was a manga exclusive but it got printed so idk anymore, the manga had more situational bullshit than the anime when it came to Utopia.
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>Buster Blader topping a regional

Lmao

http://yugiohtopdecks.com/deck/5421
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>>155012892
what's the likelihood these will spike?
i'm picking up a playset regardless just wondering if it's worth getting extras to sell on
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>>155017505
That one is also bad, you just need Swirl, Lamia and Necro to end with a very powerful field.

>>155018870
http://roadoftheking.com/dd-basic-combo
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>>155020117
>kansas
>top 32
>"""topping"""
top kek more like
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>>155020117
>top 32
>topping
It's just top 8 or 4 that matters.
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>>155020117
What the fuck is the meta anymore?
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>>155020481
>It's just top 8 or 4 that matters.
Only first place matters.
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>>155020481
Yeah for OCG tournaments where there are less competitors but for US regionals which are at least 3-4x bigger top 32 is a big deal. You get your invites from being top 32 which means that it matters.
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Well, ocg.xp is actually a decent site for browsing OCG decklist.
Too bad it shows the decklist in an actual list, instead of a picture.
The card detail page has TCG name though, so it's not that bad.

And some Synchron deck with only 1 Omega actually won a week ago.
https://ocg.xpg.jp/deck/deck.fcgi?ListNo=264083
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>>155020590
>You get your invites from being top 32
And that's why they never win worlds.
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>>155020535
>4 pot of desires on D/D/D

Quality site
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Tewart btfo
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>>155020949
>not keeping a spare Pot of -9 in your sideboard in case one gets ruined from overuse
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>>155020741
>ADS text actually works in Percy
Oh well.
Have that Synchron tops then.
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>>155021229
>Lightsworn average price
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>>155020949
You gotta get that consistency ;)
>>155021229
>White
This makes me wonder how that Arc-V manga deck is going to work when it gets released.
Also why is it so expensive? Everything important isn't even Secret Rare aside from Pot of Desires.
>that price on Ligthsworns
nvm, I'll stop complaining
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>>155021619
I hope that deck gets made. For whatever reason a fish synchro deck seems interesting.
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>>155021352
>Level eater
It's dead, Jim
>That heavy slump in the side
Why are the Japanese the dankest memesters?
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>Lightsworns aren't even tier 1 as they were years ago
>make their new key card into a YCS Promo and make the deck even more expensive than TeleDAD
LITERALLY WHY?
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The latest Darklord top that isn't a team tournament.
From last month though.
https://ocg.xpg.jp/deck/deck.fcgi?ListNo=263058

Just want to say that Amdusias is actually used in Darklord.
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>>155022045
Because fuck you, I guess.
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>>155022182
But that's forbidden love in two forms anon.
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>>155022045
Something something Bohemian Grove something something
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>>155022045
I also want a R4 dante, anon.

Too bad Tewart doesn't want any duplicate of his beloved Dante running around.
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Treatoad ban when
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>About to lose with Metalfoes
>Top deck desires
>Can't search Fusion, but oh well, it's a low chance of being banished
>Check banished cards after activating
>Fusion was the last card banished, Kirin was the second last and Monolith was the 3rd last
"""OK"""
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>>155020535
>Speedroid Phantom Knights in the top 8
Nice.
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>>155022045
It'll get reprinted soon™
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>>155022108
let me just take a moment and say that I fucking knew that Krystia was going to get used in Darklords

but you motherfucks told me that "I-It's too inconsistent!"

glad to be fucking right for once
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Are performages still playable?
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>>155021229
>>155022045
Minerva just needs to be fucking printed as a common already
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Real talk, what would happen if this gets let off the banlist?
Even OCG is messing with BLS at 2
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>>155022684
I always, always banish both of my Fusion in Metalfoes if I ever use DESIRES.
And usually also my other 1-of and 2-of Metal S/T.
And open Monolith.

Fuck percy shuffle algorithm.
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>>155023056
The OCG took him off for a format, then put him right back to 1.
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>>155023056
Nothing, it's been powercreeped since DUEA.
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>>155023174
Whatever happened?
I thought targeted destruction is supposed to be bad.
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>>155023252
It wasn't in the Shaddoll+Qli+Tella format.
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>>155023056
OCG put him to 2 and he was so broken he went back to 1 immediately. 3+ pops on a 2800 body for almost nothing is too broken
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>>155023158
>both of my Fusion
>both
Kys
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>>155023374
Fullmetal and Metal, of course.

What, are you playing TCG Metal?
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>>155021229
Why is it called White and not Blue-Eyes?
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>>155023765
Why are D/D/Ds called "D"? Probably because that's the word/letter all the cards have in common.
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What killed Tellars?
RotA to 1 or Powercreep
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>>155024430
they were never good in the first place. Powercreep then ended them.
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>>155024430
I'd say probably power creep. A lot of the cards they used to fuck people like fiendish aren't good anymore and 1 negate won't cut it anymore. Plus, if Triverr ;) is negated, you're fucked.
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>>155024430
Them not playing in Worlds fornat
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>>155024487
>>155024842
But now they have Demise.
Is that enough to bring them back to rogue at least if RotA ever back to 3?
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>Local Legend Duelist Series at locals
>guy starts arguing with the head judge
>gets DQ because he insulted the said head judge
Kek, served him right. He was wrong about it and he thought he can argue it in his favour

Also majespecter is fuckign cancer
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>>155026514
What was the argument
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>>155026615
Guy had crystal wing and solem strike (set) and some other irrelevant shit, in battle phase he attacked a set Naturia cherries, wanted to activate it (to set other two from the deck face down) but the guy negated it with the crystal wing. He said it doesn't work because it doesn't "activate" and pointed out how theres no ":" or ";" , so I called the judge for fun. And then he came and said it would work (to negate activation with crystal wing) and then they started arguing because apperantly he did a mistake in another duel, that hes making one mistake now too and the dude playing the cherry got a little heated about the whole thing.
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When will Dante's Extreme Baja Downhill Wheelchair Race end?
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>>155025057
no because besides turn 1 theyre too special summon reliant to spam demise. And then all the top decks go first anyways and set up before tellars can begin doing stuff turn 4.
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>>155027246
When ABC comes out.
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>>155027246
For as long as Dante is at 3 to dish out those SSStylin' plays.
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>>155027317
ABC will get Kaiju'd in TCG.
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>>155027246
Are from the /co/ thread?
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>>155027001
The cherry should be obvious though.
"If [...] you can" effect is an activated effect.

What deck the cherry dude play?
Naturia Burger?
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>>155027576
Yes.
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>>155027246
Soon I hope, I can't be arsed to read Dante's Inferno to understand what's going on.
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>>155027608
Traptrix, playing against a shiranui deck
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>dawn of greed

Activate only if you have 3 or more cards in your hand. Banish them face down then draw 2 cards

Does this balance pot of greed?
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>>155028635
>chain quickplay and other shit that needs discard
No.
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>>155028635
>literally a -2
you ok reatard?
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>>155028853
It's -1.
You can activate Into the Void from hand if you have 3 card in hand, Into the Void included.
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>>155025057
ABC outclasses them and they can actually spam rank 4 without relying on getting COTH/Oasis/Instant Fusion to hand, not to mention that ABC is much stronger than what Triverr and Delteros could ever be
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>>155028821
Discard banishes face down?
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>Pole Position + Boar Soldier
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>>155027576
which /co/ thread
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>>155029030
>chain other things that needs discard
That's what I mean.
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>>155029104
Pretty sure he meant the banishment to be a cost but since he's a CaC retard he made it a simultaneous effect
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How do I abuse Ancient Gear Gadget?
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>>155029053
only works for spells you retard
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>>155029053
You need to have Tenki for it to works.
And if opponent summon a monster with more than 2K ATK, the lock breaks.
And Boar Soldier can't be normal summoned anyway.

Now this is the true lock.
3-card lockdown.
Still breaks to BE summon Alt though.
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>>155029660
>>Still breaks to BE summon Alt though.
>tfw it'll be powercreeped thanks to ABC + INOV and RATE so it won't matter anyways.
If only these cards were better.
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>>155029893
>not maining Ra Sphere Mode
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>>155029893
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>>155029950
>Chaos MAX
>White Kyurem.jpg
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>>155027650
go back
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>>155015218

I wish we got more Zubaba and Achacha cards, they got the short end of the stick compared to Gagaga, Gogogo and Dododo cards.
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>>155029987
Why is it so expensive
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>>155029950
MAX is a pretty cool design and I'm glad it's at least playable even if the deck dies to itself half the time and kaijus are a thing too.
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>>155030048
We actually do unironically need Super Poly back to 1.
It's the price to pay for extremely good cards being too generic or splashable.
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>>155029893
>literally the best cards of 3 shitty archetypes
>they're all NO FUN ALLOWED incarnate
Remember when beatdown used to be meta?
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>>155030507
Refer to BE.
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>>155030349
Super Poly would make Herotrix Treatoad Turbo even better, they have an entire sub-type dedicated to Super Poly
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>>155030507
DDD is sort of beatdown, it just needs those negations to compete.
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>>155030683
Exactly.
A Fair and Balanced card.
Norden needs to go though.
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>>155030759
b-but muh petdecks
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>>155030683
But it's a double edged sword, I can make Dank Law and the Toad go away for MY Absolute Zero.
Even if they respond by later using my Absolute as a Super Poly target, I get to fieldwipe anyways.
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>>155030735
>open Crystal Wing + Seigfried
>win
>don't open Crystal Wing + Seigfried
>lose
Literally D/D in a nutshell.
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>>155030957
Y-You can always make Beatrice and Omega.
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>>155030759
>Nice pair of Quasars you have there.
>Would be a shame if anything...
>happened to them.
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FIX ME PERCY
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1) Norden dies, but Super Poly comes back at 1.
2) Stratos is limited, but both Mask Changes are limited.
3) Ultimaya and Level Eater are banned, but Trish is at 3
4) Dark Matter is banned, but all Rulers are limited.
5) Construct is semi-limited, but both Shaddoll Fusions are limited, alongside Beast.

Which one of these would you be fine with?
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>>155031495
Yeah been wondering why it didn't work.
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>>155031517
Stratos should be limited along with Dark Law
Norden and Super Poly are both cancerous but Super Poly even more so
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>>155031517
Can I take 1, 2 and 3 please?
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>>155031517
>3) Ultimaya and Level Eater are banned, but Trish is at 3
What's the connection between Ultimaya and Trish?
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>>155030957
>Playing D/D/Ds against Kozmo
>Don't open Siegfried + Crystal Wing
>Win anyway
>Playing D/D/Ds against Metalfoes
>Don't open Siegfried + Crystal Wing
>Win anyway
>Playing D/D/Ds against Blue-eyes
>Don't open Siegfried + Crystal Wing
>Win anyway
Please reply to this saying they were shit at this game, their builds were shit and they bricked.
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>>155031517
>1) Norden dies, but Super Poly comes back at 1.
I'll take it
>2) Stratos is limited, but both Mask Changes are limited.
Just ban Dark Law, he's the only Masked HERO to see use anyways.
>3) Ultimaya and Level Eater are banned, but Trish is at 3
FUCK NO
>4) Dark Matter is banned, but all Rulers are limited.
Sure, I'll just play Mythic Rulers
>5) Construct is semi-limited, but both Shaddoll Fusions are limited, alongside Beast.
L I T E R A L L Y WHAT'S THE POINT?
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>>155031685
None, but I felt Eater banned wasn't enough of a trade-off for triple Trish
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>>155031517
4
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>>155031517
Xth for Blaster ;)
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>>155031862
>play D/D/Ds against shit decks
>win
Wow.
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>>155031886
Might as well ban Crystal Wing if you want to make unrelated ban.

And Level Eater is as good as gone anyway.
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>>155031495
It's saying it's fixed now
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>>155032232
>Playing D/D/Ds against a deck you don't think is shit
>Don't open Siegfried + Crystal Wing
>Win anyway
There you go, bud.
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Trying to make some fucking money today
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>>155031517
I take 5, Shaddoll ABC would be fun

>Union Hangar into Assault Core, equip Buster Drake, Shaddoll Fusion, go for Construct with a random shaddoll in hand, search for Crush Wyvern, search for another Shaddoll with Hedgehog/draw 1 with Beast, send any shaddoll to grave with Construct

>set a shit ton of backrow
>ABC discards for effect too
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>>155032234
Shining Victories is still selling senpai, konami still wants those shekels
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>>155032424
ABC discard is a cost.
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>>155032234
But I like Crystal Wing.
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>>155020535
The meta hasn't settled because blue-eyes aren't vthat strong. Why is that hard for tcg shitters to understand i'll never know. When ABC geys here expect it to rape everything.
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>>155032385
>D/Ds
>ever beating ABC
Fuck out of here, there's a reason that deck got demoted to Rogue when this came out.
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>>155032412
Where is 「That Six」
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>>155032412
>try against AI
>start dicephoon, roll one
>i-its okay snipe hunter will handle this
>rolls a 6 and then a 1

its gonna be a long day
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>>155032790
Wanna duke it out with my shitty deck?
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>>155032752
shit I know I forgot something, I fucked up and overwrote it and threw it back together
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>>155032380
I thought only the ritual was fixed.
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>>155032679
>to rogue

Isn't it tier 2? 15% of tops compared to 25 ABC 25 Metalfoes.
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>>155032679
Let the devil niggers live in grand delusions. Some people REFUSE to admit the deck they spent money on isn't the strongest thing in an upcoming meta.
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>>155032896
sure thing
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Played this at local tournament today, went 2-4

Won against 2 Blue-eyes (half the people there were playing it)
Lost to Shiranui, 2x Majespecter and Subterrors (had once really shitty hand)

Any tips what I could have had different?
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>all Espirits are WIND Winged Beast Spirits
Let's be real, the entire archetype exists because KoJ wanted a reason to keep Yata banned for another decade.
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>>155032679
Say, when exactly ABC drops?
I want to get some proof.
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>>155033124
Another Time Diver on US server, usual pass and note.
Single because I really don't want to do a match with this piece of shit.
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>>155031495
Sure you'll get a fix when they fucking fix kaiju slumber not activing when a kaiju is on fhe field and it's been shown to work like that in both the TCG and OCG. Percy is the .ost fucking stubborn man alive I swear. I can't believe how few people even reported the bug.
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>>155032984
Old rankings
>>155033032
I know right?
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>>155032679
>demoted to Rogue
>latest banlist targeted to hit them

???
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>>155033136
>playing upstart instead of a third E-Call

>vanilla mirror force, compulsory, galaxy cyclone and book of moon
Get some Solemn Strikes in there at the very least
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>>155031517
yes
yes
yes
yes
no
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>>155032550
no, the discard doesn't have a colon
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>>155033171
Surprisingly, Yata isn't a Winged Beast.
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>>155033362
I wouldnt know what the "usual pass" is
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>>155033467
Dark Synchro was rogue, look what happened to them.
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>>155033578
Oh, shit, right.
He was Fiend, wasn't he?
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>>155033439
D/D/D doesn't even get an honorable mention?
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>>155033618
vidya
It's always vidya.
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>>155033171
Anything that lets me play my favorite non-generic trap, a.k.a triple Icarus, is welcome in my book
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>>155031517
>1) Norden dies, but Super Poly comes back at 1.
Eh, I'd rather have Norden alive.
>2) Stratos is limited, but both Mask Changes are limited.
This is really tempting. I'd have to actually test and see if Heroes get more or less annoying.
>3) Ultimaya and Level Eater are banned, but Trish is at 3
Fuck that.
>4) Dark Matter is banned, but all Rulers are limited.
As much as I love Dark Matter, he just can't do shit with the rulers banned, so I'll definitely take this one.
>5) Construct is semi-limited, but both Shaddoll Fusions are limited, alongside Beast.
YES
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>>155033032
>Some people REFUSE to admit the deck they spent money on isn't the strongest thing in an upcoming meta.
You know. I'd like to spend money on DDDs. But they don't really let me. Fucking 2017 release date.
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>>155033624

Banning a disgusting generic card is entirely different to limiting two cards in an archetype.
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>>155033171
>fags that actually think yata can return without an erratum

Stoping someone from drawing is the reason why the damn card is banned just like all the other stop draw cards.

It's either discard or banish next card drew during draw phase or stay on list forever.
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>>155033721
I think I see Swalalalalu Slime's eye in "Rogue".
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>>155033136
Solmen strike is a better grand horn. Replace mirror force with quaking and compulse with another strike.
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>>155033570
Are you from the future?
Because I can totally see Tewart going to screwed that.

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/ABC-Dragon_Buster
>Once per turn, during either player's turn: You can discard 1 card, then target 1 card on the field; banish it.
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>>155033032
>spent money on
I haven't spent a cent on any cards.
Saying D/D/Ds lose if they don't get one of their many combos is like saying ABCs lose if they don't get their field spell.
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>>155033467
Banlist hits are likely planned months in advance, see for example moralltach.

DDD were big in two formats once they got crystal wing, so they hit the key components for their big boards.

Who really can tell? They might even plan to hit DDD some more the next OCG banlist even if they top even less.
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>>155033963
but that's exactly what happens when ABC don't get Union Hangar turn 1
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>>155033439
What's the other "Rogue" deck?
I can only see DD and R3NK.
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>>155033841
yeah I really hate when they use it in ABC and piper chaos
fucking fusion and xyz apologists think that shit's okay
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>>155033484
>>155033896
strike it is then
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>>155034080
If your deck relies on 1 card, its shit ;^)
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>>155034251
Thank God for Terraforming and Planet Pathfinder amirite ? :^)
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>>155034080
even without union hangar you can shit out r4nk, D/D/D can end up with literally nothing on the field turn 1
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>>155034251

you forgot the part about "relies on 1 UNSEARCHABLE card"

Union Hangar is as searchable as it gets, and the Empowerment engine (2 Empowerment, 1 Dragodies, any level 3 special summonable tuner) is specifically centered around getting Union Hangar to hand turn 1 no matter what the cost
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>>155034507
What's a single R4NK can do in today's meta?
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>>155034712
Not auto-lose
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even as a petdeck fag who already has a deck that can summon Odd-Eyes Rebellion,
W H Y did they make Odd-Eyes Raging just another Odd-Eyes Rebellion?
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>>155034712
Your opponent can brick too.
If both of you brick, the deck that still has cards to play wins.
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>>155034608
>Empowerment engine (2 Empowerment, 1 Dragodies, any level 3 special summonable tuner) is specifically centered around getting Union Hangar to hand turn 1
What.
Do they even use this bricky mess of an engine?
What Tuner do they even use? COCK?
I've seen Symphonic Warrior ABC, but never this one.
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>>155012985
>inb4 he joins forces with Yata-Garasu
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>tfw you get jackpot 7'd
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>>155034989
>I've never seen this one

>I don't check YGOdr; the post

The chinks and japs use Birdman, Emergency Tele with Ghost Ogre/Ghost Reaper and yeah, Cockadoodledoo
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>>155035093
Dark Scopion Burglars putting in some work.
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>>155034954
What other meta deck brick 50% of the time?
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>>155035093
>tfw you get Tierra Firma OTK'd
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>>155035216
that they are
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>>155035220
you literally forget Pot of Desires and Upstart Goblin
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>>155035220
What are you trying to do, anon?
Trying to prove that a top deck is bad in theory, and results don't matter?
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>>155035220
>if you don't get at least 7 copies of your boss monster out on your first turn, YOU LOSE

Christ this fucking subreddit
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>>155035352
Can you figuratively forget?
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What R4 is the best for just pushing for damage? Heroic Champion Excalibur comes to mind and Blade Armor Ninja. They both require Warriors tho
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>>155035656

Gagaga Samurai, ya know, generic Blade Armor Ninja
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>>155035512
I'm genuinely curious what they would do if they don't open field.
Do they seriously hope for their opponent to brick 50% of the time?

>>155035352
What's the average of Upstart used in ABC?
And how exactly do you put DESIRES in the calculation?
DESIRES and Upstart is only a 6 card in deck.
You can somewhat add 10% off from that calculation.

>>155035537
>can't read what the calculation does
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>>155031517
1, 2 and 5.
If rulers come back We'll never get any good Dragon'Generic Rank 7's and that sucks, i don't care for Trish or Ultimaya i just want my damn Yusei.dek.
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>>155035210
>only 3 ABC deck use it
>out of 232 ABC tops
Oh gee, anon.
Of course I don't see it.
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>>155035897
>what's the average of Upstart used in ABC

I thought we were talking about TCG, because then you could simply add fucking Chicken Game

Also
>Desires only adds 10% to the probability of getting Union Hangar in hand

holy shit, you literally don't fucking know math
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You know what Ancient Gears lack?
A sexy robot lady knight.
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>>155036037
There anon.
It should be lower than that.

So a 70% chance to win is enough for a deck to be meta?
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>>155036312

so you're literally forgetting that

1. Pot banishes 10 cards
2. Pot gets you 2 cards after banishing the 10 cards

if you seriously think that you can put all that shit on your shitty calc you're a dumbfuck

and yeah, it is, fucking pavement ape

or what, are you going to tell us that the dozens of tops for ABC on the last months are a fluke? that your shitty calc knows more?
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>>155036312

>so a 70% chance to win is enough for a deck to be meta

considering that most meta duelists have a 50/50 win/loss ratio, yeah, it's fucking enough for it to be meta
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>>155036312
>a deck needs to have a 100% chance to win to be meta
that's what tier 0 means, and not even tier 0 has a 100% chance to win thanks to antimeta picks and counters
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How much more Antique Gear support are we likely to get? There are the fusions naturally. And we'll more than likely get a fusion spell too.
But we should have already gotten most of the support, no?
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What's a good ZA WARUDO turbo decklist?
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>>155036514
>so you're literally forgetting that
Literally stop saying literally, you literal retard.
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>>155035220
>deck doesn't have upstarts
>deck doesn't have pot of -9
>deck doesn't have gadgets
>deck doesn't cdi meme
>deck doesn't still do things without the field spell (though impaired)
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>>155037079
there's still the burn continous spell but I doubt they print it
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>>155037174
>-9
You mean -13
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Question - with queen tiarmisu, I detach a xyz material and then choose up to two cards in the graveyard to shuffle back into the deck.

Can I shuffle the detached xyz material back?
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>>155037580
Yes since you detach the material (sent to graveyard) and then you shuffle them back into the deck
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>>155037580
Yes, As long as you already had a valid target in the grave initially.
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>>155037580
Yes, but it can only be activated if you have two dolche cards in your grave to begin with.
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>>155037580
>>155037760
Please bear in mind that you must already have a legal target in the grave to activate it first

>>155037862
You mean one
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>>155037936
whoops forgot to mention that

It's the same with Red-eyes flare metal dragon, you can detach and special the same redeyes but you need to have one in your grave already
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>>155037760
>>155037846
>>155037862
>>155037936
So, one madolche in the grave for activation and the detached one can be included with the effect. Got it, thanks anons.
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>>155033439
Holy shit I really hope the guy who was saying Darklords weren't meta is ready to kill himself right now
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>>155038123
Same thing applies to chef emeral. It's why cards like Lumina Lightsworn can't discard and SS if there's nothing in the grave.
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>>15503823
Way ahead of you. I've slit my wrists and will die momentarily. This will be my last post on the internet. I
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>>155033439
>BA is """"""""""ROUGE"""""""
>>
There weren't really enough dice roll monsters to make a dedicated Dice roll deck so this.....is to go even further beyond
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>>155036514
>>155037174
See ABC tops in ygodr or ocg.xpg and tell me how many run Upstart AND Chicken Game.
I'll have you know that the average number of Upstart AND Chicken Game used in a deck is less than 3.

To calculate DESIRES, you just need to assume you have 1 more starting hand.
Since you won't always have DESIRES, and you will more likely to banish your card, the real probability should be lower than that.

And you need to know that CDI meme usage is lower than Photon now.
And what even 2 R4 can do in this meta?
Do they even run Giant Hand and Raff?
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>>155034086
I see Stratos' sexy body in between Dante and Slime.
No idea what's that claw from, though.
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>>155038738
Now calculate how likely this hand is after banishing 10.
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>>155038609
>Dante is at 1
No surprise there.
Literally the only reason BA is still meta here is that the banlist never touched it anywhere important but kept on killing everything else
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>>155035656
The Lightning, baka.
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>>155038738
What is even the argument here? The tops clearly show that either the chance of opening Union Hanger is high enough for ABCs to be tier 1 unlike DDDs, or that they can make enough other moves without opening Union Hanger to win (whether that's Tsukuyomi digging for Union hanger or some stunshit with strikes and dimension barriers with R4, who cares)
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>>155038738
>what even 2 r4 can do in this meta

oh boy, I can't wait for you to be blown the fuck out once ABC becomes tier 1 just days after structure deck Kaiba is released

are you that faggot that past threads kept saying that ABC wouldn't be tier 1? why are you talking out of your ass? are you fucking retarded?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism
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what are the best equip spells
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>>155039334
anon doesn't know shit about probability and actual meta so he think that every meta deck needs a 100% chance to open their strongest combo for them to be meta

nevermind that the only deck that could remotely get a 90-100% chance to open their best combo was EmEM, the definition of tier zero
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>>155039510
If you disregard the banned and archetype-specific ones, I guess there's only Moon Mirror Shield.
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>>155039510
Snatch Steal and Premature Burial
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>>155039378
>>155039334
I didn't argue about ABC being meta.
I'm searching the reason.

You need to stop thinking that all argument against you in a discussion is from one anon.
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>>155039880
>I didn't argue about ABC being meta

>Your words
>"And what even 2 R4 can do in this meta?"
>"Do they even run Giant Hand and Raff?"

if you can't seriously fucking understand why Dragon Buster is busted I ask you to try a standard stun build of ABC

Dragon Buster is a FREE 3k body with built in quick banish removal, that floats into 2 rank 4 and those rank 4 float into advantage + abc back again
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>>155040185
>>155039880
Imagine if Tellars were capable of dish out 3000 damage, banish 1 card on the opponent's side of the field by discarding one every turn, and all that just by banishing three tellars from grave

Imagine if they could resummon those 3 tellars back without any cost, use them to xyz any answer they need and then banish them again to get the 3000 damage, the 1 for 1 banish removal and resummon the banished tellars again the next turn
>>
most decks deserve to have all their options available and then restrict the resources necessary to achieve said options.

hitting consistency is stupid most of the time but it's often the necessary trade-off for letting stronger options live, even if said options are balanced around only being possible once or twice per game, depending on power.

D/D being able to drop siegfried and crystal wing and frog hero being able to drop dark law and treatoad are both powerful options, balancing it around being able to do so 1 out of 2 or 3 games vs. of 2 out 3 or 3 out 4 games, instead of banning either mandatory piece.

this probably doesn't apply to everything but should have better player satisfaction than just removing options.
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>>155039510
that entirely depends on what you want to do with them
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Why niggas always be shitting on Mahad? Surely running at least one is worth having for the passive chance of shining draw.
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>>155038856
11% to banish exactly 0.
32% to banish exactly 1.
56% to banish at least 2.
The chance to draw it on 25 card dekc is 97%
Therefore, it's 11%x97% + 36%x32% + 56%x30% = 38.99%

40% to draw it off DESIRES.
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>>155040598

>40% to draw it of desires

I take it you don't know any fucking math, do you?

do you know how cummulative probability works?
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>>155040674
Should be lower than that.
But no higher.
>>
Wasn't there some other shitting on synchros a couple of months ago
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In a 5 card hand, consider

>The probability of opening at least 1 copy of Terraforming
>The probability of opening at least 1 copy of Union Hangar
>The probability of opening at least 1 Upstart and that Upstart getting you to a Terraforming or Union Hangar
>The probability of opening Pot of Desires + that Pot getting you into Terraforming or Union Hangar

All those probabilities accumulate, they aren't independent of each other

>>155040841
so you don't fucking know math

for Upstart and Desires, you need to consider the fact that you already have 5 cards in hand that aren't Union Hangar and Pot

For Pot you need to add the fact that you're banishing 10 cards and then drawing 2

your shitty calc with independent calculations doesn't even begin to cover the chances to actually open Union Hangar because you somehow think that probabilities work in a vacuum
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>>155040575
>run Mahad
>draw into him and brick for the opening hand
That and DARK boss monsters are dead so his only gimmick is useless as fuck.
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>>155039120
>but kept on killing everything else
This. Not to shit on BAs or anything, they can be pretty cool. But if the banlist hadn't shat on everything in their way while leaving them relatively scot free, they would be nowhere near the top.
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>>155041175
Do the math then please, and please show your work
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>>155041216
The chances of opening your one mahad are very slim. The chances of bricking because of it are even slimmer, and he floats. He's also an out to Kozmo bosses and Chaos Max.
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>>155041223
>But if the banlist hadn't shat on everything in their way while leaving them relatively scot free, they would be nowhere near the top.
Reminder
>Construct is banned
>Towers is banned
>Shurit is banned
>Ptolmaious is banned
>Dante is still at 3
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>>155040185
>>155040526
They only run about 10 trap.

If you don't open field, you can only make ABC if you open all 3 pieces, then somehow dump them to grave.
You know the chance for that to happen is low.
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>>155041461

You have a higher chance of opening him than surviving 6 turns
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>>155041461
The new magician girl is your out to chaos max. What the fuck is wrong with people where because a card has one or two minute utilities that it has a place in a deck?
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>>155041461
>Kozmo bosses
Dark Destroyer is at 1 and only memers run Dark Planet
>Chaos MAX
Nobody runs that and there are better outs anyways.
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>>155041506
>D/D/Ds got pushed to 2017
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>>155040598
>>155040841
>57% chance of opening it
>if you add deck thinners the chance goes down to 36% chance

And you wonder why people doubt your math?
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>>155041506
Ptolemaeus was never Nutella's boss; it belonged to all rank 4s (namely Pepe) to wreak havoc with the higher ranks.

It deserved its death regardless of Tewart's bias
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>>155041650
The point is you're unlikely to open him, and if you don't then your deck is just that much better for having him in it. I like to tech him because he's synergistic with maxx c.
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>>155041683
>and only memers run Dark Planet
But anon, nothing is more stylish than playing Card of the Soul to get out Dark Planet turn 1.
Memes of that calibre are just too fun to skip out on.
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>>155041175
>>The probability of opening at least 1 Upstart and that Upstart getting you to a Terraforming or Union Hangar
Just reduce the deck size.
>>The probability of opening at least 1 copy of Terraforming
>>The probability of opening at least 1 copy of Union Hangar
Change it to probability to open with at least one of 6 card.
>>The probability of opening Pot of Desires + that Pot getting you into Terraforming or Union Hangar
38% to open DESIRES.
I've calculated chance to open it with DESIRES in previous post, which is 40%.
So it's 38%x40% = 15.20%

Probability of opening field, with 3 Upstart/Chicken, is 61%.
So the chance to open field should be no higher than 76%.
I'm not including the fact that opening the field in itself is enough for ABC to win games, but eh. Details.
And on average, ABC only runs about 3 Upstart/Chicken Game. Just search it.
No deck run 3 Upstart AND 3 Chicken Game.

>>155041820
Anon, the DESIRES post is to state the percentage of drawing the field if you use DESIRES.
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>>155041506
To be fair
>Controlled mill on summon, can be fused from the deck, is immune to Solemn, infinite non-targetting removal on special summoned monsters, floats into the spell used to summon it from the deck
>Searchable 3k beater that is completely immune to everything, lowers the attack of all opponent's special summoned monsters, has non-targeting non-destruction removal that even kill things that are immune to card effect if there are no other options
>free ritual summons for an archetype whose rituals replace themselves anyway
>free rank 5 on the opponent's turn
>2500 beater that mills 3 randomly and adds a BA to the hand when he dies
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>>155042016
You literally have a 1/8 chance of opening him. Unless you can draw over 5 cards outside of your starting hand it's more likely for him to brick than to be useful, and there's no way a DM player will last that long.

He is good enough to justify bricking with most of the time either.
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>>155042406
>use any of Kozmo effect that pays life point
>becomes a brick
Well, yeah.
Even Tincan use your LP.
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>>155042903
The point is to use it when you're at full LP before any other move. Turn 1. To grab Dark Planet since Dark Planet adds up to 8000.
That said, you can still use it to search Dark Lady at 4000. And Dark Destroyer at 4800.

The first one is really the only one you're likely to be able to execute. But it's still neat.
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based eeriecode
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>>155043161
>going second
>opponent use Upstart
>becomes a brick
Is this the real reason Tewart limit Upstart?
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>>155042647
But anon, Mahad gives your deck flavor.
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unban me
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>>155043987
Never, fuck you.
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>>155043881
Deck flavor is not what wins games.
If it was you'd see Blue-eyes running Maiden or ABC running XYZ.
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So how exactly was BA hit again?
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>>155044674
Don't try to hide that it's the AI my man.
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>>155044674
>MST in 2016
You beat the AI, stop trying to hide it.
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>>155044674
>beating the Darkworld AI

You know it's not very hard to see you play against the AI right?
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>>155045080
>>155045103
>>155045159
That clearly wasn't the AI
;^) ;^) ;^)

Memes aside, the first question still stands.
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>>155045332
It's almost the same shit but they can't loop as harder as before, also they got another Allure, that.
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>>155038609
>ROUGE
rtrd
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>>155043987
>fiend
>light
explain this dotards
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>if I can't attack your monster I can attack you directly!
Is that how it works?
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>>155045982
No dummy
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>>155045982
In some cases. These days, at least, PCST tells you which monsters/effects let your opponent attack directly when you have no monsters that can be attacked.
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>>155045836
He was purified, but he's still a demon

You should probably be questioning the Fableds more
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>>155045982
I think it does, yeah.
I'm pretty sure if all your opponent controls are monsters with effects that prevents them from being targeted from attacks, there's usually a line or two in their card text that says you can attack them directly (like Legendary Fisherman and the Spirit Messages under Dark Sanctuary).
Basically, if there's no valid attack targets, you can attack directly.

If it's shit like an attack lock such as 2 Marauder Captain or Rise to Full Height on a monster that leaves the field later on that turn, then no, because there ARE targets for attacks, but you cannot actually target them because trying to do so would create an infinite loop or whatever (so you target one Marauder, but the second one's prevents you from targeting any Warrior but itself, so the target would be the second Marauder, and then the first one's effect does the same and so on)
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>>155046724
>Fableds
They're the gods of old religions.
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>>155047418
They're fallen angels
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Haven't played this in awhile, took a look at the banlist to see what's new and what not. I have a core of the Pendulum Magician deck (All the rank 7 xys, pendulum call etc).

Is there any junk I can throw in together with it to go to locals have some fun or is just a bad engine now?
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>>155046970
Explain this.
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>>155044518
But anon, topdecking MAHAD and smacking someone's low attack dark monster with 5000 wins games. With Flavor.
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>>155047769

>engine has 2 limited cards

anon what do you think
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>>155047769
put xiangke and something in scales, pendulum out two level 6 dragons like wicked aether, then make atum, summon a level 7 dragon from deck, xya atum into gaia, xiangke target gaia, and get a OE Rebellion dragon with its effect. or wait until raging tempest and do it with Raging dragon

so yes, you can have fun actually making OERD for once in your life, and it's also just a bad engine now
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>>155047769
>playing pendulum

fucking faggot
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>>155048031
I don't know, it's pendulum. People were still playing the Perfomapal after the deck got slaughtered into oblivion. I thought magicians had something like that.
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>>155047930
It has never won a game except against other shitters. Stop trying to push mahad if you're just going to fall back on "b-but it's fun"
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>>155048181
but they were playing it as a deck, not as an engine

and magicians still used lemonkeyboard

with lemonkeyboard banned, joker, call and insight limited pendulum decks aren't even rogue tier
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>>155048391
Oh well, lame.

Thanks anyway anons, I'll just keep waiting for a new deck that seems cool and not bother playing on formats I don't enjoy.
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>>155048391
don't forget Kirin limited too

Konami really hates pendulums
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>>155048736
Who doesn't?
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>D/D/D guaranteed not meta because ABC comes first
>BE most likely a low tier 1 after ABC
>Metal is DoA with no Stein and 1 Kirin
>Kozmo got DD limited, so most likely lost to ABC
>R3NK still alive, dunno how it'll compete with ABC with Dante still at 3
So when ABC finally drops, it becomes the best meta deck?
When will it drops again? INOV in 1.5 month?
It's gonna be a linear stun meta, huh.
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>>155048964
The ones that play them?

I´m still sore about the performage ban. That was one of my favorite decks.
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>>155048995
>it becomes the best meta deck?
Pretty much, I told you people to buy your side decks stuff before they spike.
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>>155048995
They get Pot of Avidity, Dimension Barrier and Torque to shit even harder on the other meta decks in INOV
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>>155049148
>side decks stuff
So, System Down?
Anything else? Should I side Avidity?
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>>155048964
People who actually play the game?
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>>155049292
Cycle Reader is pretty good if you open it, also Quarantine if you play something that doesn't mind losing their normal.
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>>155048995
How long will ABC last? I'm betting like about 6 months to a year if it actually stifles new product.
The AG Structure deck is pretty much dead on arrival and the ritual deck loses to ABC's floodgates so that's 2 new products it fucks over already
>>155049292
Electric Virus
Cycle Reader
Iron Wall
Ghost Ogre
Anything to kill Machines, Light Monsters and Field Spells.
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give me your sekrit tecks
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>>155049846
But then they wouldn't be secret anymore.
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>>155049626
>Electric Virus
>ABC chain float

>Ghost Ogre
>ABC chain float
>Gadget float
>Photon Trasher doesn't activates
>Xyz put the pieces to grave
Is this one dedicated to shit on the field spell?
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>>155049239
>Torque
>search decklist
>only 4 out of 232 tops is using it
>2 of which is a team tournament
Is Avidity even good for ABC?
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>>155050023
Ghost Ogre is for the Union Hanger.
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>>155049846
I tried BriFu, it works ok. Lets you sometimes SUMMON Hino, who is a nice blowout. But they really just need to reveal the deck's Spirit Manju/Petit.
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>>155050023
>ABC chain float
That's the point.
Do you really want that walking Karma Cut on the board? You want gone ASAP by any means necessary.
Forgot to mention that Kaijus shit on the deck, they can't chain the float nor get back the parts.
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>>155050442
>>155049846
as you may know, Hikokujaku lets you keep your spirit monsters since they weren't normal-ed. the same is true if you normal them and use a forbidden chalice, preferably after a monster like yamata dragon or hinoka gets its effect off
>but how am I supposed to get those monsters out, by normal summon or Hikokujaku?
shh
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>>155050687
>X side deck card, shits on the deck so don't worry guys ;^)

Jesus Christ, how many fucking times have we gone through this exact argument for whatever the upcoming meta is?
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>>155050978
>siding kaijus
You fucking main the suckers.
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>>155050442
Ritual Sanctuary can search the spell and recycle it, or search Benten.
Prep can recover spell, and search Benten.
Benten can search the double normal summon spirit, or Manju.

They need some reliable way to search and recover the spell.
Most of the searcher need normal summon to search, and that's really slows the deck since you need 2 search to do anything.
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>>155050957
Now that's memey.
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>>155050340
It's good now that omega is at 1
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>>155050687
>Do you really want that walking Karma Cut on the board? You want gone ASAP by any means necessary.
Electric Virus against ABC is -1, which is the goal of putting ABC anyway.
I prefer System Down since it actually kill him if I use it.
Float? I banish all your pieces instead.
Doesn't float? All your pieces still banished.

And yeah, Kaiju is a better side deck than Electric Virus in that case.
System Down is still better than Kaiju against ABC, but Kaiju is more versatile I guess.
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>>155051739
What's even the relation of Omega and Avidity in ABC?
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>>155050957
Pretty good.
>>155051250
Again, they just need to reveal the deck's Petit/Manju. That's what they need to start consistently getting off a Ritual Summon. The 2nd Ritual will just be a bonus.
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>>155050957
>can reduce Hiko level so you can summon him without going -3
Well, it's good I guess.
Also a spell for Ritual Sanctuary.
Ritual Sanctuary can't search Hiko is slowing down the deck so much.
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>>155031517
1 and 4 are godly
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>>155050442
no space for feng I know he has to be normalled for his eff but he pops all backrow
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I haven't tried it. But how well does Drago work against ABCs?
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>>155052105
I don't want to think about it, but considering Konami design, it might be possible.
What if, anon, the second Ritual Monster is actually their Petit/Manju.
That search on summon.
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>>155052342
>summon A
>equip C
>crash into Drago but C died
>summon B
>make Dragon Buster MP2
Not very good at all.
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>>155052529
>ABC players
I thought BE players were the dumb ones?
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>>155049846
>Mischief of the Gnomes can be used twice in one turn
>Mischief allow you to normal summon without tribute those level 6 Spirit like Fenghuang or Dark Dust Spirit
>Mischief also allow you to summon Hiko using level 6 Spirit in grave
>Mischief allow you to screw your opponent but doesn't even hurts your Urgent that much since you can banish from grave
Meme tek.
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>>155021619
>This makes me wonder how that Arc-V manga deck is going to work when it gets released.
It's probably gonna be similar to how they handled the printed versions of Jack's "Red" cards.
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>use Desires with a brick hand
>draw into two more Desires
>next turn still have a total brick hand so use Desires again
>draw into two Trade In with no targets
>turn after that draw into a Trade In target and use it
>draw into two Call of the Haunted
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>>155053136
>Synchro summoning during the damage step
The PSCT on this card triggers me
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Red pill on spirit monsters and what are actually usable with this new ritual mist worm

All I know about them is from like 2010 frog deck using Dusk Dark and Yamato Dragon as sekrit teks
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>>155053024
Too slow though.
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>>155053258
The two mitamas.
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>>155053179
>still alive after 3 turn with brick hand
You got lucky.
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Using Trade-In in place of Desires isn't that bad in D/D when you're a poorfag.
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end-phase mst pisses me off

>LOL YOU DONE? I ACTIVATE MST AND YOU CAN'T CHAIN XD
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>>155052116
the hotpockets sure hate rituals
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>>155053258
Refer to >>154955916
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>>155053569
I'm a Chain Burn player and I agree.

There's nothing I fear except for random end phase MSTs/TTs when I go second.
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>>155053754
i can hear the autism
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>>155053736
Oh thanks senpai.

I can't ever load up archived threads for some reason.
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>>155053754
>I'm a chain burn player
Mill yourself.
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>>155053754
That why you use Secret Blast.
Either put it as the very first one you set, or set 2, think for a bit or go to MP2, then set it.
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>>155053736
since when is izanami good? is it because you can pluss off nikitama?
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>>155051929
they counter both System Down and Ghost Reaper

you know, if you actually paid attention to the decklists you would know that

there are a shit ton using Avidity
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>>155054054
Recycle dead Hiko?
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>>155053829
>>155054031
>Waaahhh I lost to a Chain Burn player grrrrr I'm so angry!
>>
So with banishing removal becoming more and more popular, how long until

A) Dimension Fusion/Return from the Different Dimension gets unbanned

B) We get a Monster Reborn for the banished pile

C) The banished zone becomes the new graveyard and we get a whole new zone where permanently dead cards go?
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>>155054265
The salt is indeed real.

>>155054039
Thanks senpai, will try this out.
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>>155054265
cringe
no ive not seen a chain burn faggot in years, i just think its cringey to take pride in a deck simply because it annoys people
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>>155054160
>side card to counter what's sided against me
Count me surprised. I never think that people actually do this.
Well, I guess it also works for mirror, and Kozmo.
Even though Kozmo isn't in OCG yet.
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>>155054525
you are clearly butthurt
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>>155054525
The funniest part is there's a bunch of anti burn cards that can counter it.
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>>155054470
Absolutely removed from the freaking game forever zone when?

>Monster Reborn for the banished pile
DDR
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>>155054618
>you are butthurt because you think my posts are cringey
ok

>>155054645
i miss damage juggler
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>>155054515
It's one of the best Chain Burn trap.
You should know it already.

This one is not so good, because it also damages you, but it have the same destruction effect.
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>>155054731
dude calm down, it's just a game

no need to cry. there are no ways to get around lava golem, live with it
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>>155054658
>DDR
That's a Premature Burial
It even has the same guy from the Premature Burial too.
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>>155054545
Kozmo and Kaiju are legal in OCG since a week ago, and japs are already using 2-3 Gameciel in side

Kozmo only has 2 team tourney tops, though
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>>155054831
chain burn players dont play lava golem, thats what stall players use
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>>155054645
>DDD have D'arc
>R4 have Trapeze Magician
>BE have low card count in the field, and Ka to fuck up your trap
Damnit.
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>>155054797
Are "Maxx C" still good?
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>>155055210
chain burn is set 5 otk
stall burn is sitting on marshmallon, lava golem, & magic cylinder, stealth bird etc
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>>155055210
the only time that Chain Burn players mained Lava Golem was when Trapeze Magician was a thing

they would main it again if DD become a thing before they get powercreeped
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>>155054969
>Trapeze Magician
>generic R4
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>>155054995
Is the meta still around special summoning?
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>>155055386
>not Demise, activate dark Sanctuary, set Koala, set 5, pass
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>>155047769
Igknight Reload, it's like Moray of Greed but for Pendulums
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>>155055624
i was just posting cards that i remember stall burn faggots maining 3 of
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>>155055727

Card of Demise then
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>>155050442
ura should be maxed out, at least until we get some form of ritual spell revival
>>155051250
what ratio do you think is optimal? 3 sanc 2 benten?
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>>155055727
That's actually for the chain burn.
>>
Ruris using the new Odd-Eyes

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29668465
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>>155054525
>actually seriously legitimately using cringe

This is an 18+ website little boy. You missed the twitch chat by about a mile the fuck away from here
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>>155056091
Fix the spelling on Traveler and then it'll be perfect to spam around everywhere and piss Tewart off so much that he finally calls it quits
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>>155055727
This isn't 2008 anymore retard.

Expert Chain Burn players use 2x Lava Golem because it's so good.
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>>155055847
URA brick since the only way to search the spell is via Ritual Sanctuary.
Or Manju, but you need the normal summon to search the monster.

I'm still struggling with actually using Benten. She's only good for tribute and doesn't really helps to summon the Ritual.
I'm actually considering to put Cyber Angel Ritual so I can actually summon her and then using Ritual Sanctuary effect on her for infinite recycle and searching.
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>>155056091
My sides man.
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>>155056091
Now do a rapefugee archetype.
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Which charmer would you charm dng?
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>>155056793
blue I guess
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>>155056793
Dharc
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>>155056719
They're not refugees they are migrants you retard.

Refugee implies they are fleeing from war, when most of them look like well-dressed people with phones and luxuries just looking for welfare.
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>when you topdeck monster gate or reasoning in uria.dek
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Are there any decent searchers for the +1 summon spirit card or just in general for them?

Im trying to think of what youd like for a t1 hand/board for them
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>>155056003
>she actually see play
Fuck yeah.
Now I hope my waifu Blizzard Princess is usable someday.

And that last duel man.
I want that Ninja deck so bad.
Cosmic Cyclone on Xyz Dimension Splash?
Kaiser Sea Snake into Bahamut?
Equip Bahamut with Rhapsody to get over ZAPDOS?
Fantastic.
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>>155057535
Of course it's their stratos, anon.
>>
this thread is shit
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>>155056793
Lyna
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>>155056261
>Expert Chain Burn players
ha, haha
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>>155057535
are they actually legit or is this one of those dng memes?
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>>155058279
People are fucking around with new cards, that's all it is.
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>>155056793
None, because they're all dharcs bitches and i don't want no trouble
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>>155058379
Cards or decks don't become /dng/ memes until people hype them up unnecessarily. Basically, put it through what I like to call, The Irritum/Goliath or Galaxy Soldeir metric

Are people claiming that X is the new Y?
ex. "Irritum is the new Releaser"
Are people claiming that can POSSIBLY run X should run it even if it means running insanely counter productive cards as well?
ex. "Any deck that can summon a Rank 8 should play Dark Matter in to mill Arkbrave/Irritum/random other Dragon. It's why I play Dark Matter in D/D/D because Irritum is just THAT good"
People swearing by a tech, even though logically doesn't really make any sense to run
ex. "Galaxy Soldier is good in Blue-Eyes because it can help you dump your Dragon, even though you already run Trade-In and Melody, and sometimes Ravine, and Shrine and Foolish, but I still swear that Galaxy Soldier that works with NO OTHER CARD except itself is still good bro"
And of course, a /dng/ meme is solidified as a /dng/ meme once the time comes for it to get results and it fails MISERABLY, every single time. No exceptions
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>>155058379
i can't seem to make anything out of this piece of shit deck.
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>>155056793
Hiita
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>>155059183
Because we're missing like half the cards and the only good spirits are the mitamas+burd so we've got nothing to build with beyond memeshit with IF>Rare Fish+Izanami>Baha+Frog.
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>>155057798
>stratos that recycles itself
>plussing off niki + kannaki
>non-targeting non-destruction removal
>interrupting plays with URA
if the rest of their support is to the same standard we could see a spirit meta for the first time in 12 years
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>>155059005
Nah. The hype mostly wore off.
The discussion is mostly civil, just asking for tech.
Nobody claims it to be meta right away. Everyone still waiting for the next support.

>Are people claiming that X is the new Y?
Nah. Only 1 post that states that it could be a new Nekroz, and it's mostly forgotten.
>Are people claiming that can POSSIBLY run X should run it even if it means running insanely counter productive cards as well?
>People swearing by a tech, even though logically doesn't really make any sense to run
Nah. It's Ritual.
Nobody with a right state of mind will suggest it splashed somewhere except in a dedicated Ritual deck.
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>summon hikokujaku
>set urgent ritual art
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>>155057535
How the fuck have you never heard of Aratama? SHSP was only
>2013
Jesus Christ never mind. I've been on these threads far too long, I can honestly understand someone getting into, or back into, the game past 2013
God I miss 2013 /dng/ so much
You still a new nigga though
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>>155059802
Urgent Ritual memes with big bro burd do sound fun though.
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>>155059802
>ghost ogre ;)
>veiler ;)
>MST on EP
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>>155056793
Aussa is best girl
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>>155059920
I'm honestly sort of glad that Peacock Dude seems as if it was designed specifically with Urgent Ritual Art in mind, on top of providing tribute fodder for your bigger Spirits should the Tokens either survive, or if Spirits do some shit with Escalation or get some support that works like Escalation. It's some pretty stellar design if you really look at it
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>>155059961
Ghost Ogre doesn't stop him from spinning 3 so I don't know why you mentioned her.
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>>155060393
But it stops the Urgent Ritual Art.
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>>155060456
Bruh, how does blowing up a normal trap prevent it from resolving?
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>>155060179
I think they're testing how good generic Ritual support really is.
It's the first time since forever that they actually releasing a pre-prep-able Ritual.
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>>155060456
>Yuki stops a non-continuous spell
I think you dropped this.
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>>155060592
Hes gonna say something stupid get ready
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>>155060592
>>155060667
Of course it's by destroying Hiko when he's summoned the first time.
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>>155060667
Trap*
Point still stands, the fuck you on.
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>>155059961
>veiler during your own turn
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How long until a generic cycle?
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>>155060872
Either use it when he summons Hiko the first time, or use it when Hiko returns to hand on EP.

It prevents URA because no target.
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>>155061074
>using veiler in the end phase
you just keep getting stupider
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>>155061316
Well, just use it the first time then.
That combo still broken because I decides when Veiler effect ends.
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>>155061457
>because I decides when Veiler effect ends.
Stop posting any time, dude.
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>>155061457
>combo
what, you mean USING veiler? also
>ill always have the out
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>>155061026
>this makes Clausolas a 1-card Ritual for those Sophia.dek
Meme tek.
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>>155059802
it's amusing how they made the cards unplayable without urgent ritual art.
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>>155061793
jesus christ this replay
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>>155061610
>he doesn't know about End Phase shenanigan
git gud.

>>155061638
We are talking about how to crush that impenetrable combo of summon Hiko + URA, right?
I'm just giving you easy outs for that.
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>>155062049
>impenetrable
Do you mean "unstoppable"? Because no-one implied that.
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>>155062132
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>>155062049
just breakthrough skill
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>>155062225
It's just a meme.
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>>155062261
>they errata it
>percy still have the old text
Goddamnit, percy.
>>
>>155062449
just go to their forum and complain
>>
http://shop.tcgplayer.com/yugioh/dimension-of-chaos/urgent-ritual-art
ayyyyy


Memes aside, why didn't they reprint this shit in the mega tins. Was it a sign????
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>>155062761
>that one anon buying $1200 worth of Pre-prep and URA
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So Red-Eyes Toon Dragon can't attack the turn he's summoned, but can I use Inferno Fire Blast on him the turn he's summoned?
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FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKK. These crashes out of the god damn blue suck ass. Haven't had 1 in a month now my opponent probably thinks i folded to infinity.
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Best impulse use of store credit
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>>155063771
>Leonidas
i think not.
>>
>>155063446
yeah
>>
>>155062553
Complained about kaiju slumber at it still hasn't been fixed.
>>
>>155064102
What bug?
>>
>>155064102
I think they save all those "small" and "old" card fixes for a big update later.

I complained about Zap Mustang and the Moving Wallpaper updates fixes it even though there's nothing about it in the log.
Well, I hope they also changes a bunch of card name to official TCG one.
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>>155064202
can be used while a kaiju is on the field. It works that way for both TCG and OCG but percy refuses to fix it.
>>
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>>155063997
Thanks friend. Here, let me slip you a little something something under the table.
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>considering to splash Symphonic Warrior in Hiko.dek for the extra normal summon, access to synchro, and maybe Pendulum summon
>Spirit can't be special summoned
Well, shit.
I think I found the reason why Yousenjuu isn't a Spirit archetype.
>>
>>155065306
none of them can be, thats what Hikos ignore the summoning condition eff is so great for.
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>>155065680
>ignore the summoning condition
Second best line ever printed on a card.
>>
>>155065306
symphos work well as a 4-5 card engine (3 guitaars + 1 mics + 1 drumss if you want to synchro).
helps you more consistently make opening fields of hikoku + rafflesia/roach/tsukuyomi.
>Spirit can't be special summoned
photon thrasher helps.
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>>155065845
It really is.
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>>155065845
What's the first
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>>155054658
Have fun styling on niggas with your sick scooter stuntin'
>>
>>155066019
Cards and effects cannot be activated in response to this card's activation.
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>>155066019
Must be Fusion Summoned using any 5 "Neos", "Neo Space", "Neo-Spacian", or "HERO" monsters, including at least 1 "Neos" or "Neo Space" monster, 1 "Neo-Spacian" monster, and 1 "HERO" monster, and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways.
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>>155066019
Draw 2 cards
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>>155066582
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Say, If I activates Mistaken Accusation on opponent's ABC, and the opponent's chain ABC floating effect, do the Mistaken Accusation effect still applies, or it's fizzles because no target?
It only reference the target to allow that target to be the exception.
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>>155067128
fizzles because no target
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>>155066019
2 Lv 4 Monsters
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>>155067334
From elemental HERO Prisma ruling.
>If the Fusion Material Monster that was sent to the Graveyard is removed from play, Elemental Hero Prisma retains the name of that monster since the effect has already been applied.
Or is it talking about after the effect has resolves?
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>>155067578
Prisma doesnt target, he just copies whatever you sent, the card doesnt have to stay in the graveyard or anything.

If a card targets a card and that target leaves the field, its generally going to do nothing.
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>>155067710
From Scanner ruling.
>If the target of “Scanner” is no longer in the removed zone [sic] when the effect of “Scanner” resolves, then “Scanner” does not copy that monster, and “Scanner” will not be removed from play [sic] if it leaves the field
I guess you're right.
Oh well, I guess I'll use it on one of their pieces instead, to kill ABC floating.
Or just use other better side card.
>>
>down to 1600 LP against 6000 LP
>hand is bubbleman, a hero lives, and mask charge
>a hero lives shadow mist
>get mask change
>norm summon bubbleman
>mask change to get dark law
>mask charge
>get out another shadow mist and get acid
>clear their spells
>attack
>next turn
>opponent surrenders

Heroes.
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>>155059537
>Boss ritual return itself to hand during the end phase
>Their ritual spell can't float or recycle itself
This archetype suck. just like their one shot friends Chemical Beast, Triamid, Digital bugs ...
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>>155068102
You mean
>try to get Acid
>Solemn Strike
>attack with Dark Law
>Storming Mirror Force
>scoop phase

Heroes indeed.
>>
>>155068223
>triple non-targeting bounce that recycles itself so you can first ritual summon it then urgent ritual art it
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>>155068223
It's a Spirit, anon.
What do you expect from them?
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>>155068102
>not form change on absoute zero and change into acid for clearing everything

do you even herose
>>
>>155068641
holy shit, i didnt think of that
thats genius
>>
>>155068223
I think it's rather obvious that we will get a way to recover the dead ritual spells

You can also use Ritual Sanctuary
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>>155068223
I swear to god if Konami is releasing archetypes in a absolutely shit state to just release needed support later
>>
>>155068223
It returning itself to the hand is a good thing because you can keep summoning it, idiot.

They do have issues with recycling their spells and any other banished materials so I'm hardly going to jump the gun and say they're going to be meta, but if they get something to alleviate that issue in the form of their other confirmed ritual they could be pretty imposing.

Even as is, comparing them to fucking Digital Bugs is ridiculous.
>>
>>155068739
Wish elemental heroes were better in general

Stratos fucking when
>>
>>155068898
they're not very good, but they're very fun! like glass cannons.
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>>155068102
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>>155068535
>urgent ritual art
Unsearchable trap that need set up and is potential brick.
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>>155069187
>need set up
>bad
Just like Soul Charge, right?
>>
>>155068223
remember to screencap this foolishness.
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>>155069175
>have to go through all these motions when a simple exciton would suffice.
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>>155056793
>>
>use castel against blue-eyes player
>they ragequit
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>>155069565
But, anon, Exciton doesn't burn and enables some of my RR Xyz effect.

Survives for 8 turn with 10 LP and then win is what I live for.
>>
>>155069794
>using castel
scrub
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>>155070017
blue-eyes detected
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>fast dragon gets bottomless'd
>goes to the pend scale

I LOVE IT I LOVE IT
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this new spirit is exactly wat alot of old forgotten shit cards needs
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>/dng/ already have a Hiko defenses squad
It's going to be a /dng/ meme before long, huh.
>>
So why isn't this an Union monster?
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>>155070597
konami forgot what unions were until ABCs happened.
>>
how did shun even become a /dng/ meme?
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>>155070597
Because Union protect the equipped monster from destruction once.
Because a monster can only be equipped with 1 Union monster at a time. Until XYZ errata, but we are still not sure whether it's applied to other Union monster beside XYZ and ABC.
Because an ED monster can't be Union.

I'm also going to claim that an ED monster can't be a Spirit, Toon, Gemini, and FLIP monster.
>>
>>155071107
here's a spirit extra deck

just kidding, it's way shittier than a spirit extra deck
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>>155071417
were neos ever good for anything?
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>>155071417
>that redundant as fuck wording

Always amusing to read old cards.

>>155071458
Absolutely not.
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Why is this not limited?
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>>155071603
because it's only good with Desires in a banish deck
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>>155071578
Well, actually, Rainbow Neos Turbo is a thing. A sacky and inconsistent yet hilarious thing, but yeah.

The rest of the Neos cards minus Grand Mole have always been shit from the start instead of just being powercreeped like a bunch of the original E Heroes were, though.
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>>155071458
Grand Mole
Rainbow Neos Turbo for max meme cred
>>
>>155071458
you can probably count the amount of good gx era hero cards on one hand
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>>155071978
Absolute Zero was one, right? And besides him there's Bubbleman. The omni-fusions are good in Japan, so does that count?
>>
>>155072371
GX era doesn't cover manga cards

Shadow Mist and Dark Law were normals
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>>155072371
they didnt come out until late 5D's era
>>
Rate the protagonist archetypes based on how much you like them
>Synchrons
>Odd-Eyes Magicians
>Whatever the hell Yuma used
>HEROs
>Average 12 year old's deck
>>
>>155072440
>Bubbleman
>Grand Mole
>Stratos
>Alius
Does Super Poly counts?
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>>155072679
I don't like all of them
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>>155072701
Alius isn't good at all
You honestly could run Sparkman instead and nothing could change
>>
>>155072440
sometimes I don't understand Konami logic

You have shit like The Winged Dragon of Ra that becomes the shittiest 3-tribute monster ever, his lore and flavor are trashed nonsensically (Can't be special summoned even though Marik NEVER tribute summoned it), you can't tribute your other monsters to increase Ra attack and a bunch of other shit

Meanwhile random crap like Stratos, Dark Law and Shadow Mist get buffed like they were ever relevant at all

>>155072701
Stratos was also a manga card, a shitty manga card whose original effect was halving its attack to attack directly
>>
>>155072821
>1600 ATK
But yeah.
The only "good" thing about him is that he's a LIGHT level 4 Elemental HERO.
>>
>>155072821
So you weren't here when Gemini Spark and Hero Blast were a thing.
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HOT new meme, straight from AdCon.
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>>155073079
I wasn't, and it looks like it doesn't matter anymore.
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>>155072975
Does Malicious, D-Draw, and Prisma counts?
>>
>>155072975
Stratos literally came out before Grand Mole did. There are GX era manga cards because the manga went on for 6 years.

Whatever manga effect it has doesn't matter unless someone's trying to say Judai's HERO deck is the best protag deck based on the anime effect too (which admittedly happens from time to time).
>>
>>155073254
Prisma is used in Fusion turbo decks, so while he has a niche I wouldn't call him good.
Malicious is legitimately good, and so was D-Draw.
>>
>>155072440
>>155072975
This is why I always get a little worried when a GX manga monster comes out. How broken are they going to make Darklord Ukoback in the next premium gold?
>>
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>>155073232
Right, but you didn't complain about Grand Mole, did you?
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>>155073337
Er, real life effect, not anime effect.
>>
>>155073424
What the fuck do you mean
>>
>>155073531
>It doesn't matter that it was good, no one uses it anymore.
>>
>>155073607
Explain what made Allius good please
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what should i change?
>>
>playin tags on ygopro lobbies to meme and test beta cards
>partner is blue-eyes, vs blue-eyes/ag
>ag player power bonds uagg and hits my sphreez TWICE like a dumbass
>all my partner has to do is crash sphreez into golem
>thats it
>tell him to do it, he's seen it happen twice
>doesnt do it
>next turn cipher -> cipher blade + 8800 atk golem fucks us

WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE ALLOWED TO PLAY THE GAME
>>
>>155073668
Specific Support.
>>
>>155073673
Do you want to play R4 HERO or super cancer? Because of you Want to play cancer, add in Bahamut Shark and Treatoad.
>>
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>The "HERO" archetype is the second largest archetype in the Yu-Gi-Oh! franchise, behind "Number".
And yet there's so little good card in this archetype. As a whole.

I mean, there's so many character that use it, so the rate should be 1 good card at the very least for each character, right?
Nope. Trash card everywhere.
>>
>>155073829
I'm already playing heroes, so I'm already growing tumors
>>
>>155074024
>third is Blackwings
Quantity isn't equal to quality
Maybe Konami should learn that and stop printing so many fucking Performapals
>>
>>155074238
Performapals are generally shockingly decent relative to how many there are.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't stop fucking printing them though.
>>
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>find out friend plays yugioh
>he plays blackwings, majespecters, and yosenjus
>all in fully built decks for each
>>
>>155039510
The banned ones, and the ones locked to specific archetypes.
So Snatch Steal, Saqlifice, Elma, Powered Jersey, NA of Destiny.

Outside that, Moon Mirror Shield is "Good". Flint is memorable if only because it can become a huge pain the ass. The rest all suck.
>>
>>155074024
Lower right is cute! CUTE!
>>
>>155074501
There are a couple others. I can think of DDR and Supervise (which would be better if the subtype it carried on its back wasn't shit to begin with).
>>
>>155074501
No love for me?
>>
ouch

>>>/a/147356090
>>
People hate shit like psyframes and dark world MM but at the very least it's a back and forth going on between the two decks. Mermails mirror matches are who ever goes first is gonna get OTK'd 90% of the time.
>>
>>155075037
oh that's pretty good but >dustons
>>
>>155075173
how do you even play against mermails
every single time its 'combo combo combo chain chain chain you can't play the game'
>>
>>155037167
Strike Ninja and D.D Scout ?
>>
>>155075326
Mermail is mostly just targeted destruction.
And Kaiju.
And maybe that one Abyss equip that negs 1 Spell before it dies.
>>
>>155074501
There's also the SPYRAL premature burial.
>>
>>155075326
Mermails aren't ABCs anon, why are you confusing them
>>
>>155075279
It's not locked to Duston.
It's as generic as any other equip spell card.
>>
>>155075678
How are Dustons, anyway? Are they at least a fun petdeck?
>>
Leaks when??
>>
>>155075326
Well there's no 100% right real right answer but as a mermail player most of the time you want to stop the grave play with dweller if you know before obviously, dragoon or megalo effect to search and double attack. Negating prince is a terrible idea most of the time unless it's a summon negation.

They're pretty meh defensively even with toad.
>>
>>155075820
Well, you know Ojamas, right?
>>
>>155075974
Fuck off Diamante
>>
>>155057008
this anon here have good taste
>>
>>155075670
ABCs don't even combo or chain that much, they just dump everything into the grave and set stuff. The only thing that's the same is the not playing the game.
>>
>>155075820
frantically search for House Duston
swarm the field with bullshit
make a Dystopia or a 5k Starduston or a 8k Goblin King
if you went with Starduston, flip ASF for lockdown
Shooting Star Bow, battle Mania, Cain and Abel, or whatever until the opponent dies
>>
>>155075820
Kaiser Colosseum actually hurts them pretty bad.
And even with 3 different searcher, getting House Duston effect is still pretty difficult.
I blame the searcher being a destroyed-by-battle searcher.

Starduston + ASF is dope though.
Or Starduston + Kaiser with the opponent's field filled with RGBY Duston is also fun.
>>
>>155068223
>Cherrypicking the worst one-off archetypes to compare to
>>
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>>155076390
>Shooting Star Bow
There's better alternative, anon.
>>
>>155076598
not for Dystopia
I'll admit he's a meme card but I run him since there's literally no other deck he functions in
>>
Does anyone have a cardian deck to share?
>>
>>155076684
Goat control.
>>
>>155037167
koi koi koi...
https://youtu.be/KdSb2JVSV8w
>>
>>155077121
you can't send tokens to graveyard as a cost (mask change 2 has the magical PSCT to make it work, it's not a cost) so are you implying that someone run 4 metamorphosis to make 4 TERs?
>>
>>155077121
JAAAADGE
>>
>>155076684
It might be possible make him in a Kuriboh deck.

Don't ask me how though.
>>
>>155077242
use serial spell.
>>
>>155076390
>>155076436
Got a decklist?
>>
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>>155077512
don't say I didn't warn you: you will lose a lot
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>>155019573
ejem....
https://youtu.be/_kIgnHrxEng?t=38m5s
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>>155077782
What's the equip spell and Extra Deck?
>>
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>>155077512
Have a shitty one.
I don't think I ever touch this deck since before the Nekroz era.

>>155077862
Shooting Bow Ceal, anon.
He mentions it.
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When will Yusei get his nostalgia support for Synchrons and Stardusts?
>>
>>155077862
the equip is shooting star bow, although battle mania is probably better

the extra deck is Formula in case you're about to get raped and need to topdeck the one card that will make you win. you can make kaiser from cain and abel, he makes a tachyon and acid golem first turn, and if they're still alive you can rank up the tachyon into one of the other GE, and then make another tachyon to rank up on the next next turn.
2 princessprites makes f0, two utopia roots makes numeron dragon.
>>
New bread
>>155078121
>>155078121
>>
>>155073673
This might be because of my shitty eyes but I can't find ZA RAITUNINGU. Why are you playing regular utopia without the lightning?
>>
>>155078004
Konami hate's 5D's and synchro.
>>
>>155020535
>50 card Lightsworn
>deck price: 3,127.67
jesus
>>
>>155080850
>Minerva costs $1,899.99
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