/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

I love you guys

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>>154509676
I love you too, anon.

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>>154507296
What a cheeky cunt

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Just started Strange Journey, what am I in for?

>>154511841
A video game.

>>154511841
a fun time

Will the eshop let us pre-download SMT IVA?

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>>154511390
I couldn't understand what that was at first, because I'm a bit sleep deprived. I was like "oh, we're officially having EO stuff in /smtg/ now? okay" then I noticed the subject. You don't do that, man, that's just malicious.

Sorry for the extra "embed" in the opening post, by the way.

>>154511841
Most memorable part will be them teleport dungeons. Get your anus ready.

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>>154511841
A great Law representative.

>>154290735
It was so weird to see the obviously evil cop portraits from Devil Survivor 1 being used for standard cops in DS2...

In DS1, good cops only appeared during the stages themselves, in order to avoid giving them actual portraits.

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Hoy.

>>154513408
The most impressive thing is how Atlus can get away with being so cheap.

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9 days

>>154511841
Boredom.

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Once you Hoy your Hoy you cannot un-Hoy your Hoy.

When are the reviews for Apocalypse going to be up?

>>154486534

They do plenty. A lot of the games talk about fighting they did that didn't involve humans. And note that these humans themselves use demons. Its not just humans alone fighting. In most of these universe's plots, the human deciding the victory is a new event.

>>154515309
They've been doing it forever. Its hardly new.

Does Luck affect my rate of having a successful negotiation in Nocturne?

What do the angels and demons talk about when they say "knowledge and wisdom"? Is that meant like the biblical term for knowledge of good and evil? Or is that meant as any... knowledge that makes people question the current order/state of things?

>>154519365
I think it only affects ailments, drops and crits.

What does Nozomi do in Final, aside from be a vessel to Danu?

>>154519802
I presume it's "knowledge that makes people question the current order/state of things". The angels define "Filth" as doubts, and the only way to have doubts and to be skeptical is through knowledge.

>>154519802
It seems like it means knowledge of good and evil, but which in practice they mean more like knowledge of order and chaos. Meaning people with it can and will consider selfish and various chaotic things as live possibilities, whereas people without it will tend not to.

>>154520327
She is the older sister type character that settles arguments between the companions. And she is there to provide emotional support for the other companions if you play like an asshole.

>>154520675
She seems overshadowed by the new characters, with exception to Pascal the Imouto.

You forgot to delete the (embed) links, but I forgive you OP.

I wonder if /eog/ also has some cheeky cunt that shitposts with SMT over there.
Why can't we all be friends?

>>154521087
She is the mature responsible adult without any personal issues. She doesn't develop in any way and gets no ship tease with the MC. That's probably why.

>>154504409
>SMT4 the best
Fucking stupid. Only two worthwhile songs on that soundtrack. Doesn't come close to even an average EO soundtrack, much less Persona or Trauma Center.

>>154513408
that was loltastic. They couldn't even shoop a cop hat on sad civilian man.jpg?

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>>154521135
We tried that once, remember?

>>154521432
What was Gaston issues?

>>154521087
She's hot though, that helps.

>>154521432
>no ship tease
Dammit Atlus

>>154521934
Atlus, or whoever was in charge of Apocalypse scenario thought it was a good idea to have Toki possessed by a sexually frustrated Inanna to provide ship tease moments with Nanashi.

>>154522183
>the little goth-looking girl
Oh okay Atlus knows the SMT audience better than me.

>>154521852
He starts as an arrogant glory hound, who is NUMBAONE, breaks formation during the Shesha fight just so he can get the finishing blow (which he doesn't get anyway). Because of his arrogance, he drives everyone away from him. He struggles between doing what he believes is correct and his orders from the angels.

>>154522338
Toki looks more like a Japanese noble woman in a loli's body than a goth.

>>154521621
I don't mean full blown friendship and marriage.

But it would be nice if posters could enjoy both series instead of pretending that if you play one, you are forced to hate the other.
But oh well, I guess expecting people from 4chan to enjoy things is asking for too much.

>>154522486
It sounds like he could've been the Massacre representative if he hadn't changed. Also, why do Nips hate glory hounds and arrogant characters? They are usually fun to watch handled correctly

>>154520491
It's both actually. Law is equated with good and Chaos is equated with evil. This is what YHVH intended. Not surprising as Kagutsuchi says as much when he calls freedom the root of all evil.

So how awkward would it be for Hallelujah to meet his dad's ex-girlfriend friend Inanna?

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>>154523103
Not really. Even the story has him eventually getting over not being Numbahwan. Mostly in the bonds ending.

Dagda has always been the Massacre representative.

>>154524664
But he is still numbah one in the hearts of players when they aren't flapping to Toki.

>>154525070
They fap to Dagda, Hallelujah, Krishna, Nanashi, then Toki, then Asahi, then Navarre, and finally Gaston.

>>154525502
Oh sorry forget Abe Hallelujah's dad after Toki.

>>154525502
What are their thoughts on Inanna? One thing I've noticed is that there's always pics of her doing the infamous Toki confession scene mid battle on the Japanese miiverse pics.

>>154526672
Not much art of her sadly. She'd probably get more if she got to hang out with Poo in Loo enthusiasts.

>>154526873
Might have to do with the fact that she's hard to draw with all the details on her body. I'm sure she has fans.

Hoy.

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Final takes place after the neutral ending of 4 right?
should i replay SMT4 to get the neutral ending before i get my hands on Final?

The cheeky fucker over at /eog/ actually gave me an idea: why not create a legitimate, non-shitpost /eog/ Dungeon Crawling General?
One that doesn't just talk about SMT or Etrian Odyssey, but rather all dungeon crawlers, western, eastern and everything else in between.
That's not to say it would replace all the current threads /vg/ has on dungeon crawlers, it would just serve to give anons more games to talk about and play.
Would you browse it /smtg/?

>>154524308
> Law is equated with good and Chaos is equated with evil
Law is selflessness, equality, compassion, consideration, modesty, loyalty, order/safety, peace. But it's also stagnation, intolerance, blind obedience, narrow-mindedness. In general tho, It is what makes people feel safe and happy.

Chaos is selfishness, hierarchy, pride, anger, lust, gluttony, envy and all the negative emotions in general, yes. But it is also doubt, creativity, curiosity, passion, ambition, self-determination, progress, change (for good or ill.). Chaos is what gives life actual meaning.

>>154529680
You don't have to, but if you load your SMTIV save on Apocalypse you get an EXP bonus.

>>154529680
Nope,it's set in an alternative universe that's different from IV's neutral ending.

>>154529914
damn really? well is the DLC of 4 worth looking into?

>>154530009
If you want a challenge and back story then go ahead, be warned that none of the DLC would be relevant in Final.

>>154529734
>Chaos is what gives life actual meaning
Lucifer plz

>>154526873
Never going to happen. She wants to do her own thing and will side with anyone that will let her be free.

>>154529685
Depends on the games.

How can I live in a world full of demifiends?

>>154530891
Well I think the starter pack should probably be Wasteland 2, Fallout originals and New Vegas, Pillars of Eternity, Bards Tale, and Baldur's Gate.
SMT, Etrian Odyssey, and the SoulsBorne series are a given, of course.

>>154531646
get some little kid to put a bug in your eye

>>154531954
I wouldn't call Soulsborne and New Vegas dungeon crawlers.

>>154529680
Yes. Do it ASAP.

If the game registers that you have data of SMT IV which doesn't have the neutral ending, it will lock out until you get it.

>>154533641
Well they have dungeons, as SoulsBorne literally has actual dungeons whereas Fallout has vaults and caves.

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Why Hitoshura is such a meme character?

>>154535076
Because of that sexy neck horn.

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>>154535076
Flynn is a bigger meme.

>>154535076
demon penis on his neck

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>>154533682
wait what

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>>154536463
He's bullshiting you.
Don't worry about it.

I think you get some bonus stuff if the game detects a save file with all endings on it.

>>154536727
they really expect you to play the game 4 times? i mean sure you can just breeze through the game in new game plus, but still

>>154536796
The bonus stuff is all just minor shit, I won't worry about it.

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>>154536796
Well IV did come out in 2013, so you could have easily beaten 4 times by now.

Speaking of which I just got to Tokyo in the law route and have no desire to play anymore.
I hope I can stick with Final.

So whats so bad about the story in SMTIV:A?

>>154529734
Chaos is also the ability to make choices.

But no all the positive things are intentionally ignored because Chaos is meant by YHVH in IV and IVA to be the "evil" side in the Monotheism ideal.

>>154538681
Besides bonds, nothing really. Just SMTIV shitters.

>>154538839
And people will go on about how Neutral is the "right" choice, even on other games.

Again.

>>154536996
From what was shown on the twitch stream the combat was heavily improved.

>>154529734
Hiearchy as an idea doesn't exist properly in chaos. As in Chaosfags betray the idea the moment they have a chance to.

It's a form that exists with both alignments depending on the context but chaos does not support a true Meritocracy. The Angels themselves exist in a hierarchy.

>>154538839
Which doesn't even make sense. Does YHVH want people in his world to take law instead of chaos? But chaos just provides a counterpoint? If so, how does actually taking chaos remain a bad end? The entire system seems nonsensical in light of the fact that lots of people are trying to go against yhvh, but lucifer for some reason uniquely is incapable of doing so for real. Despite his actions clearly coming off like he plans on doing so.

What I wonder is how much lucifer and merkabah are considered redeemed by the ending. Do they "realize" they're being played and decide that uniting back into satan is the solution? Or is that just satan calling them back to uniting and they never really figure out what is going on independently of him. Chaos seems to get shafted here that somehow despite claiming to be about rebellion its really not, but uniting into satan can be a real rebellion? Why couldn't lucifer just try to hijack the cosmic egg and take over?

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>>154539379
Yes and they have that choice because of freedom, which is chaos. The removal of choice is the removal of chaos.

Chaos is also tied to the human soul, while Law is tied to the Holy Spirit.

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>Go to fight Mastema in IV
>The moment the fight starts he Megidolaons me twice
>I'm already dead
Did I miss something or what?

>>154539730
In Absolute Monotheism YHVH is both good and evil equally. To give humans what they wish for he equates his nature to the two paths the humans seek. So one route had to be villainous to the other being good. The middle a balance between both to give humans who seek it a temporary recluse from the battle.

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>>154539893
Yes you chose Law you monster.

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Just fused Demiurge. Used Alice's source.

>the false god now has the powers of a loli

>>154538681
The main thing is it tries to more or less trivialize all the alignments as all just tools of yhvh's control. Except that it tries to handwave that regular neutral is part of this, despite the fact that in IV taking neutral is no different than law or chaos in terms of fighting off yhvh. Somehow this includes chaos, despite it being you know, about rebellion. So while the idea of chaos being a false flag is interesting, and of law not really being yhvh's final goal, it more or less accomplishes this by trivializing the struggle of the entire series into a bad end. Obviously this doesn't apply to previous games, only to IVs universe. But it makes lucifer as a character look pretty dubious. Not to mention merkabah. It basically makes anything abrahamic, on either side look dubious, and make polytheism inherently look better.

They also don't like that its true endings are basically two options one of which is the most happy go lucky ending in the series, and one of which is the darkest ending in terms of preservation, if not content. It cranks the neutral bias to 11 by making the standard neutral ending look like it finally won for real and somehow only neutrality could accomplish this. This ending is so happy go lucky that literally everyone in the world other than the main villain leaders is on your side by the end. And the other ending the dark ending is basically the new law ending, but the game calls it neutral anyways. And is the darkest ending in the series where you have to more or less singlehandedly kill everyone in the world. The game obviously doesn't want you to take that ending, so its making there basically be one "correct" choice.

I think that people are complaining too much though. Its true that the game shits on standard concepts of alignments, but if anything we really did need a mix up. And its not like this retroactively makes earlier alignment endings bad. It just depicts a world where they reflect options you can surpass for once.

>>154540469
I have to get all the endings somehow.

>>154540682
I see! Thanks for the heads up.

>>154539893
Mastema is a cheesy-ass nigger. He gets buttmad if you run any of the reflect phys/mag spells, so don't cast them.

He would ALWAYS, ALWAYS go first, megidoaloan spam until I kicked the Berserker out of my party. Then he went second and had a still Megidoaloan-themed moveset but much less vicious. Try a party with fewer null/reflects. Post-game boss AI in SMT4 seems to get buttmad if you play the game TOO well.

>>154540469
Law is the good end though?

>>154540882
chaosfags are more btfo than anyone though, since the massacre ending is ultimately more of a dark law ending, while there's nothing analogous to chaos for them. Law just has to deal with the game acting like massacre is borderline an evil ending. But they're used to that already. Typical atlus fare, etc. It makes up for it with the fact that massacre is more or less a true monotheistic ending to contrast TDE.

However, there's a ton of cool shit. The main villains are fairly unique (for mainline at least), since they are someone outside of the normal law and chaos paradigm. And satan is back, looking more badass than ever. He's even a pretty cool dude, as well.

Another reason people are mad is the waifus though. You travel with a ton of people who are all over your dick. And in massacre you get to pick one of them to have sex with. And you can pick any of them. Including the guys. So its basically a bisexual harem game.

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>>154540682
You aren't fighting off YHVH. He's letting you believe you've achieved a victory. As Mastema himself points out humans will naturally flock to the lord willingly and belief in him in will germinate, ensuring mankind inevitably refits the system he designed without having to to do anything until its time to kickstart the next battle.

Neutral never once presents itself as some long term solution in IV and the characters act like they won some hard earned victory when they didn't.

It takes radical Gods who will fuck up the cycle completely to bring long term change. Flynn is a tool who makes others wishes happen and then dies offscreen like the bitch he is. Only Akira brings long term change as a natural born ruler of others.

Nips also think Bonds should be toned down from what I heard, but they don't loathe it as Flynn finally gets a genuine happy ending.

Stop with the Law = Massacre crap. Keep calling it that won't change how the creators don't treat it as such as it's just the headcanons.

Monotheism as treated as bad cause they are too inhuman in their treatment of things, while Polytheisms for all their faults at least act like people towards each other even if they view humans as mere commodities.

>>154541309
Not really since the Reasons and characters in Nocturne were all chaos it's natural we should have a game where Chaos is serving God's will in another way.

>>154541180
Boddhisattva Stephen saaid otherwise in DLC. Only Demi-Bitch got summoned from TDE and that's cause he lost to Lucy. Law Flynn dying at the end is the wrong choice.

>Destroying the universe is more legit than IV Law.

>>154542605
>It takes radical Gods who will fuck up the cycle completely to bring long term change.

How is lucifer not this? If anything the takeaway is that radical things somehow don't bring change, only moderate ones. The sequence of events that allowed defeat of yhvh isn't something anyone in universe had much reason to think would at the time. Nor even knew ahead of time mattered.

>Stop with the Law = Massacre crap. Keep calling it that won't change how the creators don't treat it as such as it's just the headcanons.

This has nothing to do with headcanon. Its "not law" in a similar way to shijima not being law. Its not aligned as law since you're not complying with anyone, but as an ending its still composed mainly of lawful elements. In an interview they made it clear that you are the new yhvh, not just someone who casually is helping make the new world who is then irrelevant to it. "dark law" is presented as similar to neutral in concept, since its between light law and dark chaos. But the ideological preconceptions of being willing to kill people to ensure a greater peace that lasts forever is basically standard lawful far, but shifted into a slightly different context. The fact that it makes it clear you'll use brainwashing and genocide to establish your new single order is just more icing. The only thing about it that makes it now law is the fact that "law" in terms of alignment in game is also presented as having to do with siding with the "proper authority religious figures" that you're not doing here. The confusion comes from the ambiguity of how the alignments are defined. Its still ideologically the analogue of law, even if "its an alternate alignment system so don't call it law." This discussion ended weeks ago. You're not going to distance it from lawful associations just because its ambiguous. The amibguity is noted by everyone. Its not a normal law ending, but its still the new law analogue relative to bonds.

>>154543217
The reasons in nocturne weren't chaos. The characters were. Something people forget in mainline is the fact that just because certain worlds seem to attract certain people doesn't mean your alignment presumes compliance with the side that uses the same name. Which is really a flaw of mainline that they make it seem to be that way. They said they wanted the characters to be chaotic in a world with no pre set order to comply with. But once new orders are established, those aren't themselves chaos.

The real problem is that calling the mainline endings "law" and "chaos" was dubious in the first place. They should have called them peace and anarchy or something to begin with. To let you know that a chaotic figure can still create a new peace system. It sounds more odd when you say a chaotic figure can create a new system analogous to law. Because the word law makes no sense there other than by comparing it to mainline endings. Because in mainline the idea of chaotic aligned characters supporting law or lawful aligned characters supporting chaos is rarely addressed at all, other than in rare cases that are glossed over at best like chaos demons working with the center that zayin complains about.

>>154543724
Because you aren't paying attention especially to IV. Lucifer is humanitites limitless desires, desires includes the DESIRE FOR ORDER, and immediately upon winning and invading Mikado tells Flynn to become king and restore Law because the sons of man desire it.

The fucking White told you the moment a cell becomes too destructive the other cells will just come in and restore it back to the way it was. Even Mastema is nonchalant about Chaos potentially winning and he hates the Four Archangels. Even his domain is a Law realm made to embody order to Merkabah's chaos oriented Purgatorium.

He has no goal of rising to YHVH Space to strike at God. Only to see Flynn become a King who dies like the bitch he is restoring Law to glory.

>>154543909
Chaos is the main affiliation in the game itself. Not just to the characters. Even the conception brings about chaos that destroys the old universe. They like IV's Chaos are chaotic but not that chatoic so they will become Law with the creation of the new world.

Freedom, Demon, and True Demon were the extremes for chaos, choosing freedom which is the root of chaos itself, a weak willed coward in Demon, and TDE where you set out to destroy the cycle for good.

Each ending actually represents a different aspect of chaos. They mention this in a guide or interview.

Anarchy, Monotony, Chaos, Elitism, Destruction, and Freedom itself.

>>154544694
I think this was meant for
>>154543909

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>Igor jap VA is dead
>can't get used to the new VA
>mfw

>>154544128
That's not what IVs plot was getting at at all. "Chaos" doesn't mean somehow violating causality and not having anything even tenuously implying a system. The top of the hierarchy considering themself a king and people working for radical freedom has always been a staple of it. Lucifer represents what humans want for themselves. Its contrasted with what they think they owe others. The interpretation you are trying to draw is really a stretch. Especially considering he uses the anarchy logo in IVA. He clearly thinks he's a being of chaos. The chaos is just without rising to strike yhvh.

>>154545665
Just imagine Philemon executed the old one and got a new puppet made.

>>154545781
Better writing than the last games.
Atlus should hire you for the story department.

>>154545752
It's not a stretch when it was always obvious. You refuse to see the truth to say how it doesn't when it easily does. Just like Mikado and Tokyo were Yin and Yang Law the forces of Law and Chaos were always meant to be so similar that they were nowhere near as different as they tried to make people believe. Lucifer and Lilith are still lawful to an extent, with Lilith outright fuming if you you piss her off by taking money and showing you were self-destructive in your actions as a Chaosfag.

Not to mention Hikaru is the one who said the people wanted FLYNN, not himself to be king. Hikaru talks in a sorrowful tone as she says the people seek someone to rule and save them.

Even Kenji tried to restore Law and Order in Infernal Tokyo since their orginal goal was to kill the angels and then get rid of the demons later, but he was too miserable and incompetent to do it. So demon Akira had to come in upon his death to restore Law.

If he's not trying to strke at YHVH despite always talking about how they will rise up and go after YHVH when you go chaos then he is very obviously trying to keep you from doing it by restoring order so that Law can be restored and the people can yearn for it. Allow the cycle of shifting between Law and Chaos to continue, just like the White tell you.

>>154545752
SMT IVA has no law or chaos guys. its all neutral and we also kill the embodiment of law.

I have played the game and can tell you that both law and chaos are one and the same because God made them. One side cannot take over the other and is stated that even if it happens nothing would change.

>spoilers
God made satan to create chaos and make his lord stronger.
God was never in a war with satan as he gave him orders to cause the war.
Satan in IVA only joined your side because he said fuck it but before this he still worked for god.


going TO FUCKING BED NOW FUCK

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Check this dolphin porn guys!
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>>154546368
It's over.
KODUKA FUCKING WON BROS.
P5 OST IS FUCKING GARBAGE CONFIRMED.

>>154546236
Some of what you are saying about them being similar or related is true, and applied even to earlier games. But you're trying to derive truths about the plot from a humorous throwaway line about her being annoyed that you aren't taking the battle seriously. You seem to just not realize that people having some kind of new paradigm isn't anti chaos. Which is why even in the old games, chaos wasn't just total insanity. You're projecting things in that aren't there.

>>154546253
We all know the plot. And I don't know who you're even responding to. Nobody said yhvh was in a war with satan.

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>>154546368

>>154546368
This sounds like shit. Not even memeing.

>>154546368
It would be better if the jazz influence was the only influence.

I know nothing of Final because haven't been here in a long time, tell me about it

>>154547075
Escept her dialogue isn't unimortant because she makes a point of saying self-destructive chaos is bad. There's tons of stuff you can learn about the demon in question by using the extra convo skills, including Lucy being wiling to banter with Flynn when Merkabah won't outside of scripted battle story dialogue.

The problem and what you aren't getting is IV is its own universe with its own rules seperate from past games. Nocturnen is a different game that points out the eternal battle IS what keeps the universe going. The eternal battle is the Flow of Time itself. Lucifer wants to end that cycle of pointless violence for good in Nocturne. Even II Lucifer is well jeaning and isn't into IV's chaos, even though he makes anumber of mistakes and errors with his limited knowledge of the universe.

I really hate it when people use past games to explain things in IV.

>>154547859
Wait the rest of the week anon. You might as well.

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>>154546368
Wow, those P2 remixes sound like shit. P5's songs are also kinda meh.

>>154547859
Law a shit
Chaos a shit
they are actual bad endings a'la white

>kill everyone, kill YHVH, usurp throne

>befriend people, kick YHVH's ass, BONDSBONDSBONDS like you're in P*rsona spinoff

>>154548130
In Bonds, is YHVH killed permanently?

>>154548130
You forgot

>make babies with Megami

for the first one.

>>154548182
No. He just gets BTFO.
Massacre is permanent.

>>154547881
I don't even know if you're trolling at this point. Because you don't seem to be getting at a coherent point. Of course chaos still thinks self destructive chaos is bad. The sides have actual ideals they are trying to uphold. IV wasn't saying that the characters ultimately directly lead to the opposite alignment. Not even IVA is saying that. Which is why yhvh resurrects the opposing side after awhile. It was making a point about how they were connected and similar, and both exist as part of the same world system. They are presented like ying and yang, but the point of ying and yang is not that they're basically the same thing. But that their cycle and thier ebb and flow is part of the world in general, not something you can totally erase one or the other of.

>>154548182
YHVH can't die permanently until every entity in existence stops believing in him.

>>154548398
Wow, sounds like everyone is fucked in Bonds then.

You know, that ending sounds more unappealing the more i learn about it.

>>154548460
Which only happens in Massacre, right?

>>154548564
Why do you think we call bondsfags shitters anon?

>>154548425
And my point is that IV's chaos does do self-destructive chaos to a point before looping back and having them trying to instill law. To humans who become obsessed with their desires to the point it turns them into demons in Mikado, to Gaens so obsessed with strength and taught by Lilith in a way that is completely self destructive because for all their boasting of str they are weak as shit. In IV they don't even worship Nature beyond praising a Mem Aleph statue as they not only spread the poison around Tokyo but left it to rot. Minako was the one trying to restore it and she ditched them.

Chaos in IV always goes to the breaking point before saying they must stop and restore Law because that is how YHVH wants it. The self-destroying cell is restored before it's annihilation so that it will return to Law over time just as YHVH intended. Rpeating the cycle between Law and Chaos. This is the system as the White outright state.

>>154548690
Meant to say I. My point still stands.

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>>154548564
Everyone isn't fucked. Because yhvh is still implied to stay dead for a long ass time. The point being made in bonds is that the future keeps coming. You don't have to think you didn't win a victory just because in the future more bad things will happen. The gods represent forces in the world in general. And for now, you achieved victory over yhvh. Even the early bad endings are still kind of a victory. Since in those endings, yhvh is implied to let the outcome play out for a large stretch of time, until starting the cycle again. You'll be long dead, and your name long forgotten by this time, since it happens once the previous cycle passes into myth and legend and is ancient forgotten history.

Even though the game presents all the sides as ultimately different types of balance (even the early law and chaos endings. Since they are the yin and yang of yhvh's eternal ultimately neutral system that goes back and forth between law and chaos), the difference between bonds and massacre is basically the same as between in most games normal neutral and law. In bonds you don't directly kill anyone, and tell everyone to get along and you are warned that because of this the battle will start up again. In massacre you commit genocide, but in exchange you end the struggle forever for eternal peace. The game presents the world in general as having a yin yang duality and so everything ultimately has a degree of balance to it. But the ethics and point of massacre is still analogous to the ethics of why people take law endings. And neutrals are crying tears about it insisting that its not called law in game. Nevermind that neither is shijima, and its overtly a true monotheist ending to contrast TDE's true demon. And is directly based on IIs law ending, which as everyone knows is considered the best or cornerstone law ending.

>>154549002
That's not only not the plot of IV, its not even the plot of IVA. The cycle isn't restarted by the chaos side deciding they want order again. YHVH restarts it. You also seem to be ignoring that there is no counterpoint to what you are arguing for chaos for law. The law ending in the regular Iv explicitly says it lasts forever. IVA makes a point about the world itself having balance and how people might reject a system to go the opposite way. But that's not meant to be a feature of the ideology of the sides. Just a thing that happens when people get unsettled by the world they live in. Though ironically, in IV that is implied to be chaos exclusive. Since for law its always people from outside the system disrupting it.

>>154549141
And Shijima is Chaos like everything else in Nocturne, destroying your point.

Plus Nanashi and Flynn will inevitably deal with one day. Masakado entrusted them to eternally protect Tokyo in his stead and leaves on Bonds via the giant ass hooe Shesha made above him.

>>154549264
I'm arguing that ultimately the people will crave order in this chaos and that Lucifer himself will only go so far before stopping because he never intends to kill YHVH. Only to continue the cycle of Law vs. Chaos.

Akira himself went Law just like everyone he knew in Blasted but they decided to welcome chaos into their life via demons. Even Kiyoharu the man desperately clinging to his faith accepts chaos into their life because the Law realm they now live in is terrible. It is not chaos exclusive.

There are also NPCs in MIKADO who always talks about Lilith or the Archangels. Their dialogue is always him asking why they are doing something and the answer given by both sides is "It's What The People Wanted".

Even on Neutral when he mentions a dream of the Four Archangels leaving. It's because people became dissatisfied with Law in Mikado that she descended like a snake to their desire for the opposite.

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>>154549323

Err, that actually adds to my point. (or rather it would, if you weren't exaggerating nocturne's point). The point isn't how the endings have to do with DnD alignments. Its what the actual ethics of them are, as well as the reason they are taken. It doesn't matter what "alignment" shijima is. What matters is that it as an ideology is overtly meant to be the analogue to the standard law ending. So much so that the exaggerated stoic tone from it actually became the staple for law in the following games, even though it was not as present in earlier titles. The point isn't whether law is "law." Its that the ideological underpinnings of it are what shijima is meant as analogue to. And unless someone was taking law for no reason other than its the religious figures you are "supposed" to think are good (which admittedly is another possibility brought up), then the person who understands the deeper logic of the thousand year kingdom's peace will read it into the world of shijima. This is the connection being drawn. Not what "alignment" it is. Which is something not stated in nocturne because the endings are not reached through the same means that mainline ones get their names from.

This actually feeds into the point of any game with an "alternate" system. They don't use the same names for a reason. Because you can reach them in different ways if the situation changes. IVA makes the point that ultimately there is some balance in everything. The reason people confused peace and anarchy as names for the true ending is that the pins while referring to the law and chaos symbols were used to show dagda and Nozomi as characters who are less orderly and more orderly. Yet the endings they advocate are the reverse. and ultimately balance tones. All the sides (counting yhvh as one "side") have some balance in them. But massacre is still the analogue to normal law endings as an ethical goal. And that's deliberate. Whether its "entirely orderly" is not what matters.

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>>154546368
P3 ost still best ost.

>>154549323
You can't claim Musubi is Chaos, since it's just self-defined separated worlds centered around single minds that emerge and disappear...
...which in essence is a small scale Amala Multiverse a.k.a what passes as "Law" in Nocturne

>>154550257
Don't bother reasoning with them. They're one of those people who misinterpreted a line from an interview, and came up with an interpretation that is a combination of that line, none of the game's content, and inventions of their own brain.

>>154550257
Actually Musubi is the aspect of Anarchy, as Monotony is Shijima, and Yosuga is Elitism.

Freedom, Chaos, and Destruction are Freedom, Demon, and True Demon.

>>154550257
Chaos is the affiliation of Nocturne including the endings themselves. All the characters are chaosfags too.

Kaneko has stated as such in an interview.

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>>154550114
Wrong.

>>154550871
Not inherently better or worse than games like Nocturne. Great cover art though.

>>154550661
No he didn't. He said that the point was that since II was law themed, making a chaos themed game where the characters are necessarily chaotic due to no law even existing and individualists allowed more developmental freedom. The endings explore the results of chaos, but the point was never that they're all completely "chaos endings." It was that from chaos new orders can be born. That's what the contrast is between kagutsuchi and the vortex world. Its an ability for one to turn something born from individual thought into a system. And its a little amoral, since it doesn't care what the system is, since its merely a reflection of a system being born in general. Whereas in universe in other games, law is the law of a specific system.

>>154550991
Well memed

>>154551012
There's also the eternal battle between Law and Chaos that is the flow of time. So long as that war continues the universe will exist. By killing Kagutsuchi on TDE time dies because the war and destruction/recreation are no longer able to go on forever.

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>>154551174
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQhgTN7bNH8

thank you, thank you

>>154549141
How long will it take the Goddess of Tokyo, or Nozomi to go insane from having to fulfill human's desires in Bonds ending?

>>154551421
A better question is how long will it be til yhvh is reborn. In the law and chaos endings yhvh restarts the cycle after thousands of years. But in bonds for it to be a greater victory does it mean he's dead longer than that? Or for the same length, but the only difference is that with him dead you can be more neutral?

>>154551421
Tokyo-chan doesn't do shit.

You mean Danu. I imagine a few hundred years or so. Maybe less.

>>154551306
>garbage out of tune cringefest
>''''good'''' music
How to spot a retarded Nocturnebaby.

>>154551582
Probably a few hundred years if there's a great big calamity that causes everyone to come back to him. Standard Millenium if nothing bad happens. Peace can't really last forever. A bigger question is how long will it take Krishna, Miroku, Odin, and Inanna to comeback?

>>154551910
Inanna is absorbed by Nozomi thanks to Danu.

JUST IMAGINE YOU'RE OUT THERE

>>154551828
You should post a song from one of your favourite MegaTen OSTs then. I bet it's a good song.

>>154551910
Gods may be born from human thoughts, but it never says they are born the second humans think of them. If they were, none of them could die to begin with, since if they are popular gods someone is always thinking of them, especially yhvh. Kind of like in lord of the rings how sauron being a spirit is technically unable to be killed, but if you defeat him he loses so much power that he will take until the end of the world to regain enough to manifest again in any meaningful way.

>>154550661
Are you stupid? In the game for tde they talk about you becoming a demon of chaos and the war between chaos and order and destroying kagutsuchi for that reason. The kagutsuchis and reasons are presented as new orders.

>>154551993
Not sure why, but that sounds like serious potential for one of those summoning gone wrong scenarios.
>>154552101
there is something about Bonds that just doesn't sit right, but can't put my finger on what it is

>>154552101
In SJ he got wrecked in 1 hit. It's not only by lack of faith that entities lose powers.

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>>154550871
This. Probably my favorite from games in general. Nearly everything sounds good and it's catchy as fuck.

>>154552101
Which is different from some earlier games like II. Lucifer mentions demons once had the power to influence the world just like humans do in a Visionary Item for II, which is still partly felt by Fake YHVH who is the collected madness of Three Archangels. The power finally got a name in Observation for IVA.

SJ got aroud that by just having a giant database made by the earth to record everything.

>>154552481
YHVH was broken into pieces and sealed after he was weakened. It was amutually loathing relationship between him and humans.

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Why haven't we all moved on to the superior meme yet?

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Die for me.

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/smtg/ dies
and it blossoms again
it blossoms and it dies
dies and blossoms again
it blossoms and it dies
dies and blossoms
dies and blossoms again
blossoms and dies
dies and blossoms again

So, how will the west react to Toki?

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>>154558416
Despite all the bitching about Toki being waifubait and shit, I genuinely like her design a lot.

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>>154558416
I want to cum on Toki's brows!

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>>154559594
>no とき written in her swimsuit
YOU HAD ONE FUCKING JOB ATLUS

>>154558925
I wasn't worried about Tokifags, I'm worried about SJWS reaction to her.

>>154559962
SJWs will bitch for about a week, start a petition, get completely ignored and then they move on to another game. Alternatively, it's a niche game so they won't even notice anything.

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I want to play persona 4. The question is english or japanese dub?

>>154510534
Mearii za besto

Who else is playing with the leaked version?

>>154560774
Play English Persona 4 Golden. Japanese Rise, Nanako, etc. are annoying and whiny as fuck.

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/smtg/ what demon would you cum inside? I would a mermaid.

>>154563813
>Japanese Rise,
I found comparison on youtube and jap va is great but not for that character. Also troy baker.

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>>154564125
your mom lmao

I want to get one of the following games for the 2ds /smt/. Which one should I get.

- Devil Survivor: Overlocked
- Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker
- SMT IV
- Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers

I've already played strange journey on an emulator on my phone (haven't beaten it, will probably end up picking it up as a physical eventually since I have a hard time finishing emulated games but I want a new game atm). I was also playing the aeon translation of smt1 on a emulator on my phone but I lost the save file and I lack the motivation to rush back.

Someone help?

Fuck I didn't want to kill Isabeau. Does this happen in Chaos too?

>>154567684
Yeah, she only survives if you go Neutral.

>>154566647
Just get SMTIV and finish it quickly in time to play SMTIV:A with the rest of the people here. Then you can take your time to play Devil Summoner and Devil Survivor 1 and 2.

>>154559962
Free publicity, nice.

Although it won't be as endearing as the guy who complained about Krishna looking too much like a gangsta.

>>154568165
I won't be getting apocalypse until it drops in price $50 as base price is more then I'm comfortable with (why is Atlus the only ones that do this)., I just spent money on my 2ds and between that and books for college I just want to get a game around $20 that I can get a lot of entertainment value out of.

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>>154566647
IV > DeSu Overclocked > Soul Hackers > DeSu 2

>>154566647
DeSu OC.

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>>154568789
Starting SMT?
P3 is an easier avenue for starting players
DDS is a good second or third SMT game though
Best OSTs in the fanchise between those two as well imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tboCiUiIHYU

>>154558416
I'm afraid we're going to get our own version of Tharjafag.

>>154568561
They do it because they can get away with it. If there was an easy way to tell them to fuck off with their tax I would do my best to help.

Anyways, I think SMT IV will give you the most complete and longer experience.
The DeSu games are also great portable games to pick up and play, but for that reason they can feel repetitive if you do more than one or two story missions per day.
Soul Hackers is a pretty neat gem from the past, but it falls on the short side.

>>154564125
Inanna

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>>154563696
Explain
and link

>>154551012
Chaos has been the root of the series from the beginning. Law themed just meant chaos would be portrayed better, which is does in games like DeSu.

8 more days until you can play Navarre's game

>>154574689
>8 more days until I have to beat IV.
On Cycle 3 now. Can I do it?

>>154575363
No.

>>154575363
IV can be marathoned for 10 hours.

>>154575363
I managed to do all of the endings in a week, excluding Neutral

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Whoa there, Alice.

>>154581660
WAKE UP YOU HAVE FRIENDS TO KILL

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>>154581925

>>154571317
What's so special about Inanna?

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>>154581925
On it.

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Hoy for me, /smtg/.

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>>154585065

>trying to play Raidou 2 on PCSX2
>DS4 suddenly becomes unrecognizable by windows
What the fuck

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>>154581660
Sorry to break it to you kid. You're dead.

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SMT x Pokemon

>>154588149
Has /vp/ realized that UB02 Beauty is Lusamine and UB01 is Lillie?

>>154588505
It's probably "something came from another world and took form of first human it saw"

>>154588149

I kinda get some DeSu2 vibes from them

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>>154564125
Friendly reminder.

>>154589885
I mean, nearly nude is a more unique and fitting look than a school uniform for no reason

>>154589885
wtf Doi!? Why are you ruining SMT with these designs? The Mermaid should have been less anime.

>>154590039
Sailor uniform, pirate imagery etc. I guess. Neat idea but for something as common as a mermaid I'm glad they went with the safe less regionalistic choice.

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>>154590039
>>154590214

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>Are you aware that...
>...Belphegor is a brown shota in DemiKids?

fess up, ubergestalts, which of you did it

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>tfw you can play PS2 MegaTens in widescreen and in 4x native resolution

>>154590702
She looks cute, but I prefer what we got.

>>154591392
I almost got this on PS2 back when I still had a welfare PC. So glad I didn't cave in

>>154592045
>not owning it physically as well
As much of a better experience emulating them is, I still like to have the actual games on my shelf. They look nice.

>>154590039
Yeah, but the current one we got looks tired and groggy about being fap fodder.

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I just got to Mitra in SJ and after he spammed strain on my party several times, he pretty much wiped us out with mabufudyne in 3 turns.

Is level 17 too low to face him?

>>154543217
>Stephen
>good

Why is Inanna the best demon girl of Final?

>>154550871
SMT4 OST only has two good songs and two alright songs.

>>154560774
P4G dub is very, very good.

Naoto VA is shit at hiding the secret in both Eng and Nip.

Laura Bailey fucking hits Rise out of the park.

Dojima is great.

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Are these still funny?

>>154593586

i think it'd be funnier without the TRIGGERED text

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>>154593845

>>154566647
DeSu Overclocked is often $10 and it's the best of that list.

Record Breaker is a close second. It has a cornier plot, but slightly more refined gameplay and better waifus.

Soul Hackers is a relic. It's fun for a bit but it really gets dull. Also often $10

SMT4 is mediocre but it's still an alright game.

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>>154566647
Soul Hackers is fucking amazing. DeSu is just not very good. SMT IV is great, but not nearly as memorable as Soul Hackers.

SH is has a steep learning curve, but it's very rewarding. The aesthetic, setting, and plot are also very interesting, in the sense of seeing how the leaps and bounds of internet technology were predicted/imagined in the 90s.

Mearii is also best girl

>>154592804
Literally, unironically, git gud

>>154592804
Grind up some more and grind up better demons. That's the solution to all your SMT problems.

>>154594212
You just reminded me I never finished SH. I was exploring that dungeon after beating Azazel/Satanael and just stopped playing. Was that the final dungeon?

>>154594870
I don't know. I keep quitting the game after cranking out one more dungeon because it's so boring. I just got halfway through the VR haunted house.

I wish it were less cool as fuck with the 90s anime stuff so I wouldn't keep trying to play it.

>>154594985
I was enjoying it just fine until the Monolith. Fuck that place.

>>154594870
Yes.

>>154594870
Yes, you were in the final dungeon.
The dungeon is also pretty short honestly.

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>>154595278
>>154595350
Oh nice. I'll get back to it then.

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Would you use a demon summoning program?

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Should I play the both SMTs on SNES and the remakes of the original Megami Tensei?

>>154595582
Yes.
I am now going to spam John's twitter feed with this picture.

Meguro should be banned from using human voices in his music.

>>154596086
Yes.
>>154596103
Now that he's stuck in Persona forever, I agree.

>>154596096
John?

>>154596776
>Not knowing who John is
Wew lad.

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>>154594493
>SH is has a steep learning curve, but it's very rewarding
>easy as fuck
>steep learning curve
What? Even negotiations are the most predictable and easy of the series.

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>>154546368
Jesus Christ that's terrible.

>>154597972
>Even negotiations are the most predictable and easy of the series

How.

I'm having so much trouble getting 'em to my side.

>>154598009
I need to impregnate Poplar.

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>>154598013
What? How? I never had any problems with negotiations in SH. Even if you fuck up they rarely get furious and attack. Maybe you're just selecting the wrong choices.

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>Demons somehow don't know that older women are the best

>>154598218
Demon women are always offended when humans ask them about the other age.

>>154597972
First playthrough was hard, but now it's super easy

how do i get neutral endings for 4?

>>154599958
Turn it all to nothing.

>>154593486
>the SMT IV OST is shit
>the Persona 4 dub is very, very good

People with your shit taste should be locked out in jails.

>>154599958
Be as neutral as you can before going to the reactor, then do chaos choices and finally even them up with law choices in the end.

Look up a guide which will give you the exact alignment points per answer if you don't feel too confident.

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>>154600087
It just keeps tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down.

>>154599958
It requires balancing law and chaos answers, as there are no neutral ones. Your chances of getting it without a guide are slim. The dialogue options don't all even give the same amount of alignment points. The number of points you get for some answers is really random sometimes.

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>>154595582
Only if it doesn't come with MURMUR.BIN trojan, and let my body possessed by demons in my sleep.

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>>154600979
I remember that there was some guy on Youtube that accidentally got Neutral on his first try while going for Chaos. I tried 3 times to get Neutral without a guide until I gave up and decided to use one. I guess some people just get lucky.

>>154600979
Plus, right at the end there is a mandatory 10 point swing in one direction or the other and an option but unintuitive 5 point law swing, and the neutral zone is a 16 point wide range.

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Its the time I'm playing a SMT game and I'm playing IV. Just reached Ueno's terminal: I'm level 14, with a Kaso, a Tam Lim and a Shan Xial, all with Agi, Bufu, Zio and Zan, and Walter is mai hasubando.
Any tips, /vg/?

>>154603312
>It's the first time

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>>154603312
Yeah, keep having good taste in husbandos.

I don't believe this is your first time playing a SMT game, let alone IV though.

>>154603312
Finish the game on the Neutral path so you'll have an idea of what's happening in Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse. Aside from that, just make sure to fuse your demons and look up a guide when you get lost and you're all set.

>>154603312
Go neutral, and prepare to do an unholy amount of fucking redundant side quests for neutral. Don't talk to the suicidal lady in Ikebukuro, she might fuck up your alignment. Use a fusion chart because the search function is wishy washy when you have the have more than 100 demons. Mido annoys the shit out of me when I want to fuse a specific demon and it needs to be more precise.

>>154603603
It is, tho. I also played the one where your dog became a demon for like, half an hour, but that's it. Why do you say that?

>>154603637
B-but I was thinking about going in blindly for the first run, so that I could check my personal moral position in the spectrum, then doing 2 more runs to get the endings that I didn't get. Apocalypse will yet be released, right?

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>>154604360
Apocalypse releases in 8 days dude. But you're right, you really should go in blind the first time. You can look up the Neutral ending on youtube anyway, if you end up not wanting to play the game again.

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Am I hearing bits of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuO1XYZ4b1o in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSc78BBC_k ?
Or am I imagining subtlety where there's nothing?

>>154604675
>Apocalypse releases in 8 days dude.
I don't get why you act like this matters. That anon can pick up Apocalypse whenever they like. They should take the time with IV and pick up Apocalypse whenever. Rushing through shit is only gonna burn them out on MegaTen.

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>>154604838
>beneath the mask

>>154603312 here
Is there any way to earn more app points? My OCD is killing me having all these really useful options and having to chose.

>>154605158
Buy the DLC.

>>154605193
>buying
>3ds
>almost 2016's halloween

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>>154605375
>not being max lawfag and not stealing

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>>154605695

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dont get why people say you need pierce on demons for TDE
did just fine with black frost, dante and pixie

>>154606752
>you need pierce on demons for TDE
Everyone that says this has never fought Lucifer before.

>>154582127
Nips really love murdering their favorite Megami.

>>154604838
2:03 reminds me of some track from a SMT game but fuck me I can't remember which one

4 Archangels (Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, and Uriel) aren't in IV: Final, are they? Not even as DLC?

Eh. I can live with it. Fuse-able Lucifer (New Game+) is more than enough to justify the purchase.

>>154608604
Nope, Michael, Raphael, and Uriel appear as silhouettes while Gabriel appear as Sister Gabby in a Flashback. Final pretty much pretends that the worst parts of IV doesn't exist.

>>154608812
How would you be able to identify the silhouettes? Their design already looked like someone puked their lunch up and arranged it into a vague shape.

>>154609297
Shadowed with glowing eyes.

>>154609439
Oh right, you see them and think "How is there even a face there? What a fucking retarded design who thougOH ITS THE SMT4 ANGELS!"

>>154609297
Michael, Uriel, and Raphael's body shapes are still noticeable despite being covered in shadows.

>>154609725
Michael's the weirdest. A snake/serpent dragon body and an attack that does 666, shit that should be associated with Lucy or Satan.

Oh wait.

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>all my fucking faggot normie friends are hyped for P5 in like five months
>none of them even know FINAL exists and is coming out in a week
how do i make my friends stop being fucking casualries

>>154610136
It's not their fault. FINAL barely gets any promotion on the west, aside from whatever is on Atlus Youtube's channel.

>>154610136
4F is a side game. P5 is the future of SMT.

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>>154610616
I can see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=252g9_EqLPc playing in a DDS game. If we had DDS3, maybe. RIP.

How much would you pay Gideon for the SMT If translation?

https://twitter.com/GideonZhi/status/775400221828190208

>>154610234
To be fair it also had less in Japan than IV too and got released sooner as well.

Still more than AtlusUSA has done. Even Atlus treated the demons as characters with character vids. Chironup is the only one they bother to do it.

>>154611240
None. That faggot said he was 80% done with it for the past 2 years.

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Would you play a spinoff with these guys?

>>154613691
Would it be fun?

>>154613691
As long as they don't call me a ho

Did anyone get an early copy of smt4:a?
My friends shop has it early but i dont know if im willing to shell out 45 for small ass medals

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>>154616621
>look for pics of the medals
>one of them is literally a peace symbol that you can find anywhere

>>154617443
Im a sucker for small metal trinkets but if its small and shit/mediocre quality i aint paying atlus tax no matter how early i get the game.
I guess i'll just ask him to take a pic of the shit so i can think about it before i pay him.

>>154609725
I love their designs personally.

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Don't die P5 saved SMT

>>154621097
I take another #FE over any persona past 4.

OST is shit too.

>>154621817
I just finished #FE and I would take another #FE over most things

>>154621921
It's a shame that between the censorship and the idol stuff it's nearly impossible to discuss #FE on 4chan.

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>>154622045
Game is alright, but the story is fucking shit.

I hope for a sequel.

>>154621097
damn, Jun is fucking pissed

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>>154622045
feels bad man.

The censorship was a crime.

The opening was incredibly strong but then Atlus whizzed all the mystery and we got a comedy instead. Not that I mind what we did get, it was still pretty dang good, but still...

>>154622485
Better story than SMT4's.

>>154601738
I want to name my daughter after Isabeau!

>>154601738
Worst part about Neutral end is no chance to kill Isabeau.

>>154622879
Man, it felt good to play an SMT game on the big screen for the first time since the PS2 era. The dungeons and gameplay were great. I don't know why Atlus decided to take it in the direction they did though. Crossovers, especially ones that involve Nintendo properties, tend to be very faithful to the original portrayal of the charecters and settings. Why did they feel the need to make something radically different?

Hoy

>>154623378
It is absolutely the most bizarre crossover I've ever seen.

Atlus's design process must have been bonkers to get us to this. It is a love letter to FE dressed in SMT clothes...

The idol shit wasn't a rush job: The character designs are top notch and the music professionally produced. The art style and presentation got as much love as any other Atlus game. The boss battles are hands down some of the best Atlus has ever put together outside of an EO game. And it's not even trivially easy either if you play on hard.

Someone really wanted to make this and the enthusiasm shows. I mean, come on, motorbike knights and jet propelled pegasus knights. ANYONE who doesn't grin at seeing that is a dour sad lump of a human being only counting hours until his death.

Really, the SMT core is there and pretty strong. You'd think having FE themed bosses and expanding the weakness bar with the weapon wheel and all the FE touches on the periphery wouldn't work but they somehow do even with this utterly insane chaining system.

My goodness, the chaining system. Who in Atlus talked their producer into okaying "Okay, 90% of combat will be watching these chain attacks?" and then how did they MAKE them so watchable!

>>154624136
is this a new hot pasta that I haven't seen?

>>154612986
In the time hes been translating the game you could've learned yourself faggot.

>>154624248
No, I wrote it just now. So I guess it is the absolute hottest, newest possible pasta it could be.

>>154624136
CyDesignation and Toi8 helped with designs, atlus didn't made everything.

Avex was in charge of Songs,VAs and part of scenario.

Everything was pretty much like a custom delivery for Avex.

>>154624502
>Avex was in charge of Songs,VAs and part of scenario.
What is Avex?

That actually interests me. The game begins with this perfect thematic opening. Little girl is the only survivor of opera incident. Tries to get into showbiz years later to solve the mystery... And then it's solved through power of learning to sing in the first hour and half and no longer a problem. If the music people wanted more of an anime, that might explain that odd choice.

>>154624686
Given the setting, music is a key part of the game. What was it like working with Avex Group on music for the game? What suggestions did they have to match music with the game’s theme?

ST: The entertainment industry being the background to this title, we did not match the music to the game, but matched the game to the music from Avex. That is why we asked a producer who is in charge of many popular artists to create the music by using songwriters who are actively writing hit songs in Japan, in the same way that they actually provide top artists. A voice actor said that the recording of songs is different, that they take longer, with more detailed instructions.


http://www.siliconera.com/2016/06/24/shin-megami-tensei-x-fire-emblem-evolved-tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avex_Group

Avex group is the biggest record company on japan. The entire game was moneyhatted by avex.

>>154624938
To be fair, Atlus was pretty smart in doing this. It's an SMT game for Wii U for god's sake, it's not going to sell well no matter what you do. So might as well just sell out so you can make some profits. Besides, it's not like the game is bad, the atmosphere is just weird compared to the likes of Fire Emblem and Shin Megami Tensei.

>>154624938
Unless Japan has a very different definition of soulless corporate advertising, TMS#FE doesn't feel very much like a commercial for Avex's musics. Remember, half the game is corny modelling/TV show type nonsense. And any advertiser who can come up with a fake vocaloid giving music spirit energy to a real cute girl spirit is not soulless by any measure.

Then huge chunks of the game are honest to goodness FE fanboying. The Opera of Light, the last song to save the world, is the FE theme with corny vocals for pity's sake.

>>154625236
I think more than smart. Whatever deal they signed with Avex, whatever Avex wrote, it was people with talent for this sort of thing. I mean, it was cheesy schlock but it was really good cheesy schlock. I don't think America could ever produce a cross-specialty game like TMS#FE and it be close to as good.

>>154625564
#FE LE on japan came with a concert ticket, it pretty much got sold out, also they licenced songs for karaokes and made CDs, and #FE ost topped itunes charts once.

Big deal for avex.

>>154625739
Wow.

Japan is truly a land of wonders.

If they made big money, I'm happy to hear it.

>>154625873
Avex called VAs for auditions to a game.

I'm pretty sure that nothing but well. Nintendo and Atlus did a good job on the game.

>>154625564
True, they did put a lot of effort into the game. It's definitely not a soulless cash-grab. After all, it would not take 5 years to produce if it was nothing but that. Atlus said that the whole performance theme was based around the idea of ritual dances being used to communicate with or summon gods. That's a really cool idea. I think that what they were trying to do was something really new and fresh for the series, and I don't fault them for that. The Avex promotion was just the cherry on top. And they did put a lot of effort even into the songs that Avex did; the song "Reincarnation" needed to be redone 10 times in order to have it completely match with Kiria's personality. It's clear they had a lot of love for this game, and even if I didn't like the direction it went in, I can still respect that.

Mods already deleting shit because P5, time to spoiler everyone.
>>154626453

Shame that nobody will appreciate the effort because, lel idols, or Sayan Marth spam.

And /feg/ don't give a fuck despite being more FE related than SMT.

>>154552413
What it is is basically that it conflates ideology with generally good outcomes in a highly disingenuous way. In-game what makes it good is simply that its the main ending where you don't fall for yhvh's trick, beat the villains, and end the fighting. But the game also throws in some neutral message that really has little to do with the actual sequence of events. The characters had little reason to know ahead of time how to resolve the issue or that some of the sides were tricks, or which one was. It basically takes a regular rpg ending that is all happy go lucky, even more so than realistically makes sense for the events, and then presents it as somehow related to ideology. And literally everyone in the world is down with it. So the optimism is more than can even be conceived. Even when contrasting it with massacre, bonds is so positive that even if you think massacre is justified, it'll probably be a worse experience.

>>154592662
Also more importantly it looks like her leg is in the wrong place.

>>154626453
Yeah, the statues at the finale judging you having song and drama, the story bit that the FE world banned song because of its terrible power...

And the music gave us things no other idea would quite match. A crit is satisfying, even when it's an Earthbound KR-KR-KR-KR-KAPOOOOW! But there's very little that can quite match Kiria pulling Labyrinth out of nowhere when you need it to happen.

To be honest, I almost think that's a reverse SMT4. SMT4 was a slot machine of crits and smirks. But TMS has them far rarer, and they are usually only jackpots for you (And even then much less a game changer than smirk). That's a bit more satisfying without fundamentally changing the mechanics in play.

>>154601738
>I remember that there was some guy on Youtube that accidentally got Neutral on his first try while going for Chaos
Besides the youtube bit that's exactly what happened to me.

>>154627164
Or censorship lol.

I'm glad I gave it a chance/

>>154629078
God, the censorship shiposters are really fucking annoying. You could barley talk about the actual game at all. What's funny is that most people were blaming Nintendo for the censorship in the game, but Atlus was actually the one that handled the localization of the game. They didn't even bother to do one second of research into the game before shitposting to hell and back.

Hoy.

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>>154633175
Lowest common denominator stuff. You know the drill.

>>154624309
>telling me to be productive
Fuck you mom get off 4chan.