/eog/ - EVE Online General

Spread the word that the November expansion is on its way, introducing player-constructible Engineering Complexes, reworked Fleet Boosts, and free access as an Alpha Clone.

Meanwhile, prepare to reap the rewards we've set aside for you, our dedicated pilots. Maintain an active subscription from now until the November expansion and your name will be on the list for the following celebratory gifts:

• The Gnosis exploration battlecruiser
• The curious Apotheosis shuttle
• A new SKIN designed for the Gnosis
• A special edition armor suit and goggles set
• Rumors from the shipyards indicate a new ship is about to be unveiled.


Disclaimer

Three ships available to continuous subscribers from the 16th September 2016 until the expansion launch.
Gnosis SKIN, available to all capsuleers who have ever subscribed for at least 1 month at the date of expansion launch
Armor suit and goggles set, available to subscribers that have an active plan on the date that the expansion launches.

>Three ships available to continuous subscribers from the 16th September 2016 until the expansion launch
That better include subscriptions via PLEX or I'm gonna be mad and do absolutely nothing about it

>>154298782
>Armor suit and goggles set
I hope it's a black version of the SoE armor.

That's really all I want to dress up my space sluts

>Amarr

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>Sansha's Nation

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>the new All-out generation

Why are they so shit? They just log in and sit in the home system. No drama, no content, no dunks.

>>154303530
It's a pretty small corp.

How do we fix the OPness that is LMLs.

>>154304000
>it's a small corp
>so it's ok if it's shit

>>154304142
>why don't they do stuff
>>well, they're not online

>>154304228
They literally are online, and they don't do anything. Read what I wrote.

>>154304361
There was literally just 3 online. Now there's 5.

>>154304494
Just check the killboard in 3 hours, you'll see no changes.

>>154304723
>muh kb warrior'ing

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>Even numbered fight
>Russian blobber's immediately run away

Really makes you think.

>>154304758
t. last kill 4 months ago

>>154304950
so go join PH

>>154305186
There's no need to get so mad about someone shittalking your dying circlejerk.

>>154305186

>tfw PH is probably much more fun than POS spinning in a C5 circlejerking about not being part of the blob

>>154305727
>C5

Found the clueless redditor

>wormholes
>pvp

>>154305727
>C5
you sure know a lot about all-out

>>154305372
t. redditor

>>154305942

>He thinks wormholes are relevant

>>154306093
>he thinks ratting in null is relevant

>>154306153

At least I get fights

>>154306093
>>154306153
>They think logging in is relevant

>not tengoo

>>154301557
would fuck 2

>>154310853
well I was prepared to meme you to death, but I actually agree

>>154311207
>not meme'ing regardless
how.new.ru

DEAD

>fc yet again doesn't let me fly a bellicose

>she listens to the fc

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Post UIs

FW standings fix where.

Wouldn't a faction having T1 be reason to not be a part of that militia?

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>>154317325
>overview on left side

>>154317325
>overview left
>selected target right
>pointless alliance chat window open instead of local
>angular velocity first
The fuck is this

>>154316673
>anon, the bellicose isn't apart of our doctrine, fly a doctrine ship or get out of fleet
>WOW FUCKIN FC DOESNT WANT A BELLICOSE HES A DUMB FUCK

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>>154317325

>>154317963
>overview left
The module icons show up on the right of it.

>selected target right
My pointer is over there (where modules and local is).

>pointless alliance chat window open instead of local
Opsec.

>angular velocity first
We don't even have actual tracking digits anymore. Fix pls.

>get out of fleet

you mean get out of doctrine

>>154318620
>Opsec
>when you don't black out the system you're currently in
>and even show the station you're hanging around
>and your alliance MOTD casually mentions you're in white stag

I knew you guys were sad but come the fuck on.

I heard about the game going f2p, what will be the restrictions and will they make the game less fun?

>>154320813
You can't train above cruiser class ships, you are locked to one of the races' ships and weapons systems (you can chose which) and you will be skillcapped to 5 mil SP.

There are other restrictions but you wouldn't understand them if you haven't played the game before.

>>154320950
Ok but do I have access to most of the fun stuff like pvp and whatever fun things there is to do on this game?

My only experience with the EVE universe is from Dust 514

>>154320813
>>154320950
According to the skill sheets, alphas can train both systems. Caldari get missiles and hybrids.

>>154321184
You have access to the whole universe yes. You can do the beginning stages of most professions in the game.

You can do pvp but you will get slaughtered most likely. You will want to join a corporation if you really want to get into pvp.

>>154321297
Neat, I'm looking forward to this. Is there any official /vg/ corps?

>>154321283
What's your point? Every race has two main weapon systems.

>>154321494
You don't want anything to do with them. Trust me. Even the reddit corps are less aids.

>>154321636
t. phorde

>>154321501
>Every race

>minmatar
>missiles
>implying

>>154322870
Yes, every race.

>>154323178
Amarr has maybe one and a half "Main" weapon systems

None of their ships even have missile bonuses and all of them that can fit missiles can also fit any other turret they want.

>>154323310
>their missile ships can fit turrets

I don't think that makes them any less missiley. ccp just left in the turret slots because they used to use turrets. you don't actually ever fit turrets to them if you aren't a shitter

they are lacking in real ships that use drones or missiles as a primary weapon though

>>154323310
Drones are a weapon system too you dolt.

If anything it's minmatar that doesn't really have a secondary weapon system.

>>154323524
I suppose so
>>154323543
I was thinking of things the ships actually equip.

>>154323310
>>None of their ships even have missile bonuses
That's wrong though.

>>154323963
>Command ships
Didn't even think to look there. I stand corrected.

>>154324134
vengeance heretic sacrilege damnation m8

>>154324134
Breacher
Typhoon

>>154324374
>Amarr

>>154324134
>>154324374
ignore my retardation. Somehow I thought we were talking minmatar

>>154324287

also malediction and anathema

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>>154324541
>mfw 2 killmarks on my anathema

>>154324621
Were you exploration fit?

>>154324873
solo pvp fit, killed some very stupid interceptors

>I don't need a tank, that'll increase my sig radius

How much isk/hour can I make running L4s?

>>154327054
100 mil if you're really efficient.

>>154320950
So which race do I pick?

Or, since alpha accounts get three alts, which race don't I pick?

>>154327708
the one you like

>>154327427
More like "100 mil if you invest so much SP/ISK into it that it's obvious that you don't need to primarily run missions for cash"

>>154327708
Alpha accounts won't be able to do L4s, they are hard. Maybe burners.

What PVE/$ making are missile boats good for?

I know they're a write off for incursions

>>154327708
Amarr seems really underwhelming for alpha clones.

>>154328025
everything else

pve is gay btw, don't play eve if your goal is to do pve

>>154328172

Oh sweet yeah I'll just go pvp without buying anything. Pretty silly of me

>>154328236
are you being sarcastic

>>154328334

Take a wild guess

>>154328104
This is the answer, as of now. The November expansion could change this radically, in an effort to make the races balanced specifically for alpha clones. Oh, wait.

>ccp
>balance

>>154328236
You don't need to PVE to buy anything.

>>154328647
they could make them balanced for the sake of making them balanced, not for muh f2p

>>154328665

Okay then how do I get isk without PVE or buying plex?

>>154329089
sponge off your m8s

>>154329089
ERP for cash

>>154329185
>having friends

>>154329089
Faction Warfare
Ganking
Tactical dunks

You don't have to not do any PVE at all. But just don't go into training pit like incursions or L4s or mining. It'll drain the fun from the game, and won't give that much money anyway.

all I said was pve should not be your goal when you start playing

>>154329402

I don't see how ganking earns money and I don't know what "tactical dunks" are.

I'd rather just do 2 hours of incursions and be set. Its easy money and I only have to do it once a week/2

Is mining PVE or PVP?

>>154329575
be set for what?

this idea that pvp is a thing that costs money, so you need ot make money to do it. it's dumb

>>154329575
>I don't see how ganking earns money

Gank something hauling valuable things, scoop valuable things.

> I don't know what "tactical dunks" are

And I can tell from your posting style that you literally never will, but I'm not gonna judge you for choosing one way to pick a game.

>I'd rather just do 2 hours of incursions and be set

>>154329704

2 hours of incursions is what, 200 mil? If you get into a 200 mil ship with your carebear-ass knowledge, you'll just get an ugly loss with no fun. PVP in cheap shit for starters. You can easily make some money from lowsec PVP looting if you fly t1 frigs, and manage to extract your loot now and then.

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>>154329669
>free minerals

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>>154317325
>bringing solo back

>>154328104
What's the problem with Amarr?

>slicer
>a bunch of other ships that are basically the same

>nice ships up through cruisers
Alphas not getting some tech 2 mods is probably a real issue.

Why not do pve and pvp both? Is there something inherently wrong with it? I can understand advising against training queue pit causing activities, but doing a bit of exploration or gas huffing or w/e to fund dozens and dozens of okay fit t1 frigates and *gasp* maybe even something more expensive doesn't sound like it'll suck all the fun out of the game.

Also, making isk from fwar sounds a lot like pve to me.

>>154333358
pve is gay

do it only if you have to

>>154333358
It's just elite pvpers being asshurt. Just do what you want.

>>154333578
yeah we're so asshurt you sure trolled us by doing pve

>>154333578
I thought even the leet pvp entities do pve to fund their shit, like moons, L5s, etc. Though I don't really give a shit, I've been having fun being scared shitless doing hacking in wormholes, and will do something else once that gets boring. Maybe try the ganking.

>>154334167
only the bad ones

Have you given your undivided loyalty to our new Empress Catiz Tash-Murkon?

>>154335009
>you will never give her your dick

>>154301557
if I beat them in incursions can i fuck them

Where did the word krab came from?

>>154336201
something russian I think

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>executioner model nerf is really happening

>nerf

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>vengeance
when are they nerfing this or buffing rlml to counter it?

>>154341491
truly ebin meme

What's the best way to have fun in this game?

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>>154341606
fly a punisher tbth

>>154341756
>Fly a punisher, a terrible frigate
>Posts a stabber

What the hell anon?

>>154341606
Get a cheap destroyer, like a thrasher. Make friends who like flying around lowsec in cheap ships. Fly with them and kill stuff. You'll have fun.

>>154341864
This.

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>>154341864
>a terrible frigate

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>>154341967
>two fucking mids
>no damage bonus, instead gets the cap reduction bonus

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>>154342202
>he needs more than 1 mid
>she needs to do damage
>xer doesn't want cap reduction bonus for his rockets

>>154342580
I hope you get svipul.

>>154342580
>why are they out running me
>I scrammed him!
>oh he's faster than me and I don't have a web

>>154344024
>he needs things

>that faggot that undercuts by more than 0,01

>>154342202
>other frigates have 3.75 guns
>punisher has 4
>anon complains

and get good, 2 mids is fine

>>154344024
>why is our fleet all dying?
>I webbed him
>oh I have 4 fucking lows and no tank bonus

>>154344506
>>oh I have 4 fucking lows and no tank bonus
>nothing else is survivable, only punishers
>logi couldn't possibly hold

>it's ok, we can just bring twice as much logi to compensate for our shitty tanks

>my fictitious situation in which I have a made up hypothetical fleet composed of a specific number of ships in a specific way that only supports my highly erroneous outcome in which my concept is infallible only by my metrics

>you're just making shit up, tanking has never mattered in eve

>strawman into putting words into another user's mouth

>>154342580
Also just letting you know that the punisher has no launcher slots, so it can't use rockets you faggot.

Should I wait to get T2 HAMs before I purchase an Orthrus?

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>First sanctum gives me a maze

Thank you CCP for blessing my grind to a super.

>orthrus
>hams

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>>154346139
You should use rapid lights on a cancer log.

The latest launcher music is probably my favorite one so far.

https://soundcloud.com/ccpgames/eve-online-yc1187-theme-detached-from-time?in=ccpgames/sets/eve-online-login-screen-music
I REALLY wish they hadn't removed the jukebox. Stupidest move ever.

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dont die dog

armor sin

>>154329843

Sorry had to go out earlier

No I meant 200mill worth of frigs/cruisers. So I can keep playing the fun stuff without worrying about isk

>>154346963
There's launcher music?? dafuq?

>>154346963
they call it freedom at last, pfft it has nothing on home at last

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>>154356150

>>154329575
>losing 200-400mil in ships a week from cruisers/frigs

How

Unless you only fly faction ships that sounds ridiculous.

>he only flies t1
lol

>losing 400 mil a week flying frigs

>>154358090
sounds like a lot of fun
unless its blinged pirate shit

>>154358968
Maybe I fly too safe when I do solo shit. I have billions of liquid isk laying around but I never bother flying expensive shit if I expect I'm going to lose it.

>>154359328
I don't like flying expensive shit if I'm alone.
If I come across a fair fight I feel like I completley asshole wreck the other guy, its its an unfair fight and I engage I'm an a perma disadvantage.

I would rather be the underdog and put nothing on the line, have fair fights when they come across and risk it all on unfair fights and maybe come on top and feel better about it, and if not, who cares it was cheap.

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>Someone undercuts all the way right up to the buy order with millions of units on an item that moves 20-80k~ a day

Now it's going to sit there forever because the margin is too close to make any money from relisting it.

These are probably the same people that reprocess everything and sell it at mineral value.

>>154360635
>not just inflating buy orders up to his sell and then flipping all your goods on overpriced buys while tanking his price even further

>>154361286
That would work great on a normal large margin undercutter.

The problem is when he sets shit to sell within 1% of the buy order which fucks up everything. The margin was about 30% normally.

This happens all the time while selling missiles and it's really damn annoying. Luckily Most missiles worth flipping have a moving average of 100~500k a day so things unclog quickly.

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>market forums
"Some of us use lots of characters for trade (I've used as many as 40 at once with 305 orders each)"

How many characters do you have active /vg/? I have one.

>>154304947

>Even numbers
>they have a fucklot of multiboxers

Yeah, they don't like to work for their kills.

>>154362063

I have my main and the other two slots are skill-less alts mostly for scouting purposes.

>>154333159
a slicer is shit without scorch

>what is ultraviolet

>>154363362
shit

So, I'm looking at returning to the game, but the Alliance I was part of got decimated and what's left fled the region. Any suggestions on who might be recruiting?

>>154363362

>navy multifreq
>navy standard
>navy radio
>scorch

These should be all you need to bring.

>>154363523

Don't bother, nobody wants oldfag characters anymore. Just roll a new alt and skill it optimally with injectors.

>>154303530
All-out went downhill after they kicked that johnny guy

>>154363723
Fuck off, you aussie faggot.

>>154363723
How do you go 'down hill' from the gutter? Do you grab a shovel and start digging?

>>154363619
Wouldn't I just be assumed to be a spy, being less than an hour old and having several million skill points?

>>154323543
Wut.

Projectiles and missiles.

>>154363935
>minmatar
>missiles
They have like 3 ships bonussed to it

>>154341756
>tbth
>to be truthful, harambe?

>>154364142
>catalyst with 20 hull damage

>>154363253
They could just use beams

>>154364009
and they're better than anything caldari has

>ctrl + space isn't functioning
>is fine in the hotkeys menu

>>154363796
Rude
>>154363798
It wasn't downhill
(Source was in it)

>johny meemay still hasn't killed himself

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Why are drones so unmatched in frigate ranged play?

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>>154367847

>>154367847

Because they can be shot off, unlike missiles and guns.

>>154367986
There are multiple sets though, and missiles get perfect application.

>rail atron
>empty mid
>THREE fucking gun rigs

>>154368037

>>154367958

Rail atron should be a thing.

>guys why is my garbage fit bad xD

>>154368162
>as if it could be viable

>>154367847

Because on a bonused ship, drones have short range weapon dps at 60km, and don't require any highslots so you can spend the extra grid on a massive tank.

IMO, default drone control range should be the same as a short range weapon for that size class, eg. 10km for light drones. If you want higher control range you should have to spend some fitting on drone link augmentors.

>>154368271
Should buff other frigates. Scram web gameplay isn't inspiring for newbies, and kiting would be.

>kiting
>inspiring

>>154368336

Frigates are already pretty powerful compared to other ship classes, I don't think a buff of all other frigs would be good for the game.

Besides, the problem exists in the cruiser class as well, the vexor is crazy good compared to most other cruisers.

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>Frigates are already pretty powerful compared to other ship classes

>>154368762

Some of them are.

>some
Yeah, the upper few of OP memefrigates. The rest might as well not exist.

>>154368762

Obviously I meant powerful compared to their cost.

>>154369002

They still get fuckraped off the field by RLMLals, so it doesn't matter.

>>154369045

>power creep isn't a thing

Why aren't there rapid small guns?

>>154368524
>reduced fitting requirements because notank
>range control

>>154369201
For what, the rising rookie ship meta?

>>154358090
but you know it's like 2 worms?

I like this faggot, whoever recommended him thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2XY5T71TRc

>>154364301
>bellicose
>in any way better than based caracal
anon, please

>>154372465

His arguments are pretty retarded

>your job isn't real because I do it as a hobby
>I work in a shitty/hard/dangerous job and get exploited by my employer, therefore nobody else should be allowed to protest changes to their working conditions

Guys what if there were no high/low/null statics and only k-space statics?????

>>154364301
>he thinks the breacher is better than the kestrel

>>154367847
Drones are the hard counter to ECM according to Fozzie and Rise circa 2011

>>154367847
because ccp are too incompetent to give them any kind of proper range constraints

that's a shitfit btw

>>154376067
>he thinks he knows what he's talking about

>>154373515
>implying caracal can tp for shit

>>154379889
>le tp meemamym hah ale tpV bellicose hahah le fc can i le bring belli x_D

>tackle logi and ewar are just memes

>>154381981
How anyone fucks up defending an ess is beyond me.

truly ebin

>>154380481

TP bellicose is so unbelievably niche that its fair to say the bellicose is shit.

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>>154298462
Look at my E-peen and judge

>>154382115
they always wake up and try something just as the can drops and I run away. dozy nullshitters

they're always on empty citadels as well. this is so much easier than when they were in triggered anoms

>valkyrie sw 600

>marauders
>pve
>cap battery fits
>4x stacking penalty
>thermal drones
>web drones

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>valkyrie sw 600

>grinding lvl 4 missions to get a better ship to grid lvl 4 missions

>guys this is a sandbox right?
>yes
>so i can do anything?
>no, you are only allowed to shoot other people because i said so

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>sandbox

>>154382289
Thats a pretty garbage kronos fit

>>154382141
a vigil is better because it targets way farther, gets the same bonus and won't get shot down because its so far away

>not shield kronos

>guys I'm allowed to eat shit I like it stop being mean to me I thought this was a safe space

>>154383129
vigil can't fit hmls

>>154383582
So? HML's are shit on the bellicose, do jack shit damage and apply like crap

>hml
>pvp
Choose only one

>he puts weapons on his support EWAR ship

>hml cerb not the best pvp ship in the game

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>>154383582
>implying

>eft
>not fitting your ships in game

poorfag

>>154383658
>>154383680
>>154383776
trolled lmao

>>154384210
>p**rfag

Rude.

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tfw you're waifu needs reps

>>154385304
is that for pve?

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>flying unskinned ships

>>154383049
how can I make it better?

>>154387153
Sell it and buy a vindi.

>>154387263
you got a fit for that?
willing to try new things

>lowsec

>>154386169
>pve

what am I gay

>>154387927
polarized??????

>>154386484
>rapid nazis

kys

>pvping with cruises

>not

>applying 20 dps

>I won't undock unless I can apply full damage to frigates

>he thinks cruises apply to cruisers

>he's a massive shitter

>he has no rebuttal

>well at least I didn't need to fit a rigor rig or spend 2 mil on a crash booster
>>reloads for 40 seconds

>this weapon system is good, you only need to kill your tank by fitting memerigs and use drugs lol

>>154393102
t. doesn't even play the game

>it's ok guys 40 seconds isn't a long time, it's not a high price to pay for my incompetence

>>154376634
But frigates don't often deal in ECM, and the overall prevalence of drones:ECM is like 1000:1.

>>154377353
>that's a shitfit btw
The Atron? That's the idea.

>>154393391
t. copy pastes memefits because he's a scrub

>>154381981
How to make ISK?

To be fair, I'd honestly just like a fleet. Somebody recruit my 28M SP and tell me how to wipe the floor with rat scum.

>>154393392
>it's ok guys, the ability to reliably destroy 3 classes of ships regardless of their fits is well-balanced by a long reload time, that totally cannot be offset by actually controlling the fight

>>154393503


You're both fucking retards. RLML are strong as hell and you only look retarded by pretending other medium wep systems are a match.

>>154393694
we're not talking about rlml you lovely clever person

ESS?

It should add bounty instead of reduce payouts. If overall bounties have to be reduced, that's OK.

are data sites still shit money?

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Remove anchored bubbles.

>>154394539
more like make them expire after 2 hours

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Citadels are stupidly broken.

>Tethering and allows ships to jump right into tethering range
>7+ days to remove
>Damage mitigation
>Repair timers can be abused by tidi
>bombs are so cheap you can spam them to cap out an attacking fleet while a POS requires a gunner to actually focus and use the PoS guns correctly

Nerfing this cancer when?

f2p shite

>F1 babbies anchored up at 0km complaining about AOE damage

>>154393442
>But frigates don't often deal in ECM
Yea they do, Griffins exist

Drones are the only weapon system that still attacks even if you lose target

>>154395328
They seriously need to get rid of the timers, there are SO fucking many citadels in highsec because they're so stupidly hard to kill

>>154396334
they're not exactly a hard counter, because they're completely retarded a lot of the time

if you get jammed before you launch drones, your drones will never ever do anything to that ecm ship. and your drones have targets they prefer to shoot at, so if you put some mediums or heavies on an ecm frigate, after a while they might just decide to fuck off and go shoot a cruiser instead

>>154396527
No one but Rise and Fozzie have ever said they were GOOD counters to ECM

>>154396334
>look at all this small gang with ECM
Doesn't happen. Frigate PvP isn't even prevalent.. it's T3Ds, faction ships, and cruisers.

I haven't found a Griffin in lowsec in my whole recent subs, IIRC.

>>154396823
>>look at all this small gang with ECM
>Doesn't happen.
never said it did

I'm just saying, Just because Rise and Fozzie said drones are the hard counter to ECM doesn't mean they're the good hard counter to ECM

>>154396334
Frigates or not, drones exist on a majority of ships.

ECM isn't even combat viable like the Maulus (which has drones).

>muh metrics

I don't think this is relevant

Would you support directional commands (up, down, left, right, forward, backward.. from the camera angle)?

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>>154396508
It's a 1bil+ killmail.

I would expect all the highsec shitter mercs who only care about their killboard to jump at the chance of killing some carebear citadels?

>>154398465
>It's a 1bil+ killmail.
So is a Large POS tower with fixings and shit, not including XLCSAA's but a POS can be killed in 2 days

Citadels take longer to RF, wait a week, another RF, wait a week, kill it.

2 fucking weeks to kill a citadel

high sec mercs can't kill them fast enough when they're only a billion to put up

>>154398408
L O L

>>154398629
A large POS tower can actually shoot down ships if you don't have an organized fleet.

An astrahaus is absolute shit against subcaps.

>2 fucking weeks to kill a citadel
Of which you only have to show up 3 times for 30 minutes each with like 1k dps.

>>154398808
Nice.

>>154398816
>A large POS tower can actually shoot down ships if you don't have an organized fleet.
So can a citadel, the missiles, bombs and other shit are extremely deadly.

>of which you only have to show up 3 times for 30 minutes at 1kdps
its 5kdps and even then thats WAY more time you have to spend shooting a citadel than a POS

A POS gets RF'd once, then it dies some 24-36 hours later assuming the same fleet shows up to shoot it

A citadel takes 10-15 times longer to kill. Show up, shoot it, leave, a week later, show up shoot it, leave, a week later it finally dies after the final shoot but in the time of 2 weeks some one can easily anchor some 7 more astrahauses and there isn't fuck all you can do but either shoot them before they anchor (good luck finding them all) or repeat the 2 week process.

>>154395452
It's not even F2P yet and the bullying already started, I just want to be a good F2P pilot and fight for the Imperium

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>Entered a wormhole
>Couldn't find any worms

>>154400157
If you talk in local in every system I'm sure sooner or later some "worms" will come and find you.

So for the f2p, do you get a free upgrade to omega clone if you drop a plex as alpha? What if you're a veteran but haven't played in a while and return after the cutoff date without resubbing, do all your skills just stop working or do you need to make a new toon? Would it be a good idea to sub/PLEX in the week leading up to the f2p transition?

>>154400841
Your retard

>>154400841

I don't think the time frame matters. If your sub lapses you'll become an Alpha and your skills will still be on the account but will be "turned off." If you Plex you'll become an Omega for 30 days.

>>154399175
You have no idea what you are talking about. You seem to be talking like we're fighting nullsec citadels.

Highsec has no bombs and no point defenses for citadels. An astrahaus has shit tier subcap missiles that a T2 fit tengu can tank even when doublewebbed and target painted by the citadel.

A large pos' dps on the other hand requires logistic ships to survive and requires the incapping of at least some of the offensive modules, then grinding through some millions ehp with your entire fleet.

Yes, you have to wait a long time with an astrahaus but why is waiting an issue? Meanwhile you can get to work on different citadels.

>>154401059
That was my followup question
>>154401000
I am, I made my first PLEX by salvaging after incursions

>>154401121
>then grinding through some millions ehp with your entire fleet.
damage cap at 5k dps over 15 minutes is 4.5m EHP every single grind, thats 13.5m EHP at the end of your grind after 3 times showing up for it.

Further more, a POS max tanked has no damage limit, so hammering it with as much DPS allows you to grind the tower and RF it far faster than a citadel.

>but why is that an issue?
Theres so fucking many of them in highsec, they're extremely inexpensive and you can put them up so quickly and the timers limit how many you can even kill in a given interval. There are probably more citadels than stations now with how easy astrahauses are to put up.

takes you 2 fucking weeks, and 3 shoots just to down one citadel, meanwhile a POS is dead in 36 hours.

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>highsec pvp

>>154402049
You get the impression that there are more citadels than pos towers because pos towers don't show up on your overview system-wide

I don't think CCP thought that idea through. They need to introduce a mechanic where abandoned citadels can be destroyed in one sitting. Or maybe hacked via entosis, fuck do I care. Just make the citadel spam stop.

>>154402481
>You get the impression that there are more citadels than pos towers because pos towers don't show up on your overview system-wide
This comparison is erroneous because POS's have been around forever mixed with the fact that highsec pos's can be put up every where regardless.

an astrahaus can do some 2k damage not including all the other EWAR modules and shit with some 5k alpha, rigs make the damage increase a lot via projection and precision rigs. Webs and paints on Astrahauses are extremely deadly with +65% sig and -70% webs

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>>154380006

>>154382289
I'm assuming this is for PvE?
Simply, the Kronos is bad at pve because it has no range.
Also no point in putting drone link on a ship with a tiny drone bay.

>only null and void ammo
>600 Valkyrie for some reason

>>154301557
Is there more of these?

>>154405054
Theres a few involving a slutty T3C's and some faction battleships that like to show their legs

How are hisec sites? I tried null in a Vexor and got almost dunked.

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>hisec

>>154406578
Use a VNI, it's fine for sites in null and barely costs more.

>60 mil is barely costing more

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>navy issue

the Vexor Navy is the best ratting cheap under 100 mil, for any area of space, prove me wrong

>>154406934
That's an hour of vni ratting or two incursion sites, and we are talking about a pve ship. It's barely more.

>gross pve shitters posting on /eog/

>>154408169
is he that reddit guy

>>154407682
how do you make isk?

>>154408375
I buy PLEX, because I have a job and don't live with mommy, like any responsible grown up.

>>154408375
I shoot people and sell their stuff

>Implying I would like to be an Omega

No thanks, I'll stay an Alpha

>>154408586
goddamn anon, projecting much?

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Watcha think..

Elvira? Sonja?

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>>154415709

>>154415709
>>154415930
Generic Thundercunt

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>>154416084

Listen, CCP. There should be a shirt economy. New PI potential: cotton, silk..

Shirts get dirty and have to be rebought unless they look grungy.

>>154415709
Please put a real shirt on anon. your mother and I are worried about you.

>>154415575
thats not a golem

>golem

lmao this shitter

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>golem

Why do I find explo so repulsive? Isn't FW actually lucrative?

>>154418351
because you are brain dead

They should combine FW into 2 factions and make stuff happen in all space.

>>154418351
>mfw I just made 500 mil in two hours running relic sites

Step up nigga, I didn't even try hard

>>154418615
There should just be weekly events with a faction invading another and requesting both requesting help from their allies.

If the invading faction wins an all-out mini war starts until the invaders get pushed back.

>>154418767
>what is luck?

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>luck

I'd vote for kevin for CSM desu

fuck off kevin

>>154419857
definetley not skill
which you are lacking

>>154420410

There's skill in how quickly you do them, but it is a chance based loot system and there is undeniably a significant element of luck.

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>>154420540

>>154420962

I... what?

>>154420540
there are a fixed number of sites per region, there is no luck you dolt, there's only preparation and skill

>>154421125

You get the same loot from every site every time?

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>>154421034
>LUCK

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Speed bug

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>TEST

>>154327821
>maybe burners
last i heard burners need about 20m focused SP to do well

>>154421429
Flew into the sun?

>>154421802
Negative

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>Test

How would you feel about an RMT meta?

>>154421331
What? No. There is a fixed number of relic sites for a region. The quality of the site (temple, quarry, etc.) is also fixed per region. The loot in the cans is still random, but is tied to the quality of the site, which is distributed in the same fixed way every time.

>>154421331
>>154423371
Let me show you an example, because I know you did not understand that.

Lets take a region as an example, say Vale of the Silent, which is your current home.

The region contains:
5 high quality sites
10 mid quality sites
15 low quality sites

Every time one is hacked and disappears a new one of the same quality spawns in the region.The numbers are totally random just to show you an example. The loot is random per site, but still within the loot table of that quality of site. Hence no luck is involved.

>>154424009

Nah I got that. Was just making lunch m80

So there's a disparity in loot but its limited based on the quality of the site. Cheers

Anyone else getting disconnected?