/eog/ - EVE Online General

Spread the word that the November expansion is on its way, introducing player-constructible Engineering Complexes, reworked Fleet Boosts, and free access as an Alpha Clone.

Meanwhile, prepare to reap the rewards we've set aside for you, our dedicated pilots. Maintain an active subscription from now until the November expansion and your name will be on the list for the following celebratory gifts:

• The Gnosis exploration battlecruiser
• The curious Apotheosis shuttle
• A new SKIN designed for the Gnosis
• A special edition armor suit and goggles set
• Rumors from the shipyards indicate a new ship is about to be unveiled.


Disclaimer

Three ships available to continuous subscribers from the 16th September 2016 until the expansion launch.
Gnosis SKIN, available to all capsuleers who have ever subscribed for at least 1 month at the date of expansion launch
Armor suit and goggles set, available to subscribers that have an active plan on the date that the expansion launches.

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first for mana potions

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3rd for keepstar

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4th for tactical target painting

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5st for tactical tackle range bonused vessels

6th for rupture fleet issue

7th for no frig/dessie with less then 3 mids, and no cruiser with less then 4.

>>154620004

>5st

gf

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>>154621339

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r8

>caps
fuck off my /dog/

>>154624328
-10/10 fail troll

If you undercut by more than 0,01, you should be banned.

>>154624328
Not Minokawa/10

>guys guys i can tank 9999999dps for 5 seconds it means its a gud fit xD

>>154627821
You mean you don't undercut by a full 25% every time?

>>154628726
>mfw people do this
I'll just buy the 25% cheaper ones and relist them.

Thanks for the isk anon.

>he spent isk

>spending isk

>having isk

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>isk

>

>Interstellar Kredits

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>Purity of the Throne Exaltation Temple sites have appeared throughout New Eden. Capsuleer investigation is required.

What is it going to be?

>>154636820
An event like blood harvest or whatever it was called.

At least that's what they claimed. I hope it isn't the bastardized version we got for last event, with that shit tier system.

>>154636820

considering how the last event went, probably something gay

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>kredits

>>154636820
you get white amarr skins out of them, a couple of waves of cruisers

Fessor and Legun skins included? If no, then riot.

>>154637192
of course they are not included

OH GOD ARE WE GETTING THE SLASHER HULL REDESIGN TODAY??? YEEEE

Oh wow it's fucking nothing.

At least tell me the event is worth doing this time around? I don't see any information or dev blog about it. Just some hurf blurf amarr purists dindu nuffin go kill em

>>154633858

>mfw I bring some pith B-type EM ward fields to sell in jita
>somehow there are no sell orders
>usual sell price is 70mil
>like a crafty devil I place half my sell orders at 100mil and half at 150mil
>within 10 mins some market pvp nerd buys my 100mil orders and relists them for 149999999.99 ISK
>I modify the rest of my stock down to 70 mil
>thanks for the free ISK

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>b-type

>>154638350
>I modify the rest of my stock down to 70 mil
Why? You could still profit from the 150 mil price.

>>154638573

I just wanted to fuck over the market fag desu.

>>154638769
I doubt it was an actual marketfag.

Anyone with even basic knowledge of trading will check the price history of an item that doesn't sell regularly before he invests his shekels.

>>154638883

Stop crushing my dreams :(

>>154638946
CCP told me to wreck your dreams anon.

Blame them.

>>154638883
Non-marketfags would probably not even notice this.
It's more likely that someone saw the price difference on a self-sorting spreadsheet and intended to use a bot to babysit the order to make sure it sells quickly, before the price can tank.

>>154639053
Then he's just dumb and doesn't know shit about the deadspace item market.

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>deadspace item market

Did I trigger you anon?

Should I use a safety word next time?

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Tfw wow kills your alliance.

>being in alliance with normalfags

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>>154639883
I don't think their are any normies in my alliance.

For the alliance I guess.

>>154639832
You need to work on your life choices anon.

You joined a shit alliance.

>>154639832

Which alliance? Name and shame.

>>154639960
>buying the newest wow expansion
>not normies
Come on now.

Either normies, or complete retards. Either way, you need to leave.

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>>154640093
Guess ;)
>>154640104
Legion is actually pgud, it's no nostalrius but I like it although Eve is my main game.

>using normie
>not normalfag
Fuck off to your facebook clubs.

>>154640332
Sorry fag is a tigger word of mine

>>154640332
lol what a normie

>The Void S BPO now requires the correct materials for copy operations
Wow that sure affects a lot of people

>she doesn't own T2 BPO's

>>154640271

Gewns

>fessor and legion are the only amarr subcaps worth flying
>lol who needs a skin xD
simply epic ccp

>>154641567
>implying

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>>154641567

>>154641567
Legion and Confessor are too impure and mixed with Sleeper cultural enrichment for the Purity types.

I stopped playing a while ago and now i'm too scared to start cause someone will ask me install slack or someshit and i'm already in a slack group Dirt'n'glitter, why the fuck did you leave FW and it would be awkward I am autistic send help

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Daily reminder that golem is superior in every way.

>>154642713
Have you noticed more people losing Golems lately? It's been pretty dumb.

>>154642713
>poor man's phoenix and shitty typhoon
>mfw caldarifags mission runners this desperate

I'm new to this game, how do I locate the event sites for this thing today?

Logged in for the first time in about six months and all my ships are dirty as fuck. I love it.

>>154643756
If it's anything like the Serpentis event, they'll pop up on your overview. Make sure you update your overview for anything labeled event because otherwise it won't pop up.

Hope you fags haven't started doing the event sites yet. Your Amarr standings will tank.

Another quality patch, thanks CCP.

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>event npcs fuck up amarr standings

I'd suck a dick for a prospect skin desu.

>>154645098
>first event is pretty great with nice rewards, everyone runs them
>later events are alright and have some okay rewards, a lot of people still do them
>last event is shit and has fuckall reward, almost everyone ignores it
>this event is shit and even actively harms your character
You can't make this shit up

who should one spam to get them to fix the fucking event?

>>154645314
The Crimson Harvest is back next month. Hopefully CCP won't fuck it up.

Just shitpost on reddit about it if people haven't already.

CCP sucks reddit's dick all they long so they're bound to notice.

>>154621251
Just outlining, the Punisher can't effectively implement a bonused weapon system because of its lock range and capacitor.

>>154647537
This

It's immensely better to put autocannons or hybrids on a punisher than put lasers on it

>>154644478
My amarr standings are already shit because of my level 5 mission running

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>>154647537

https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/announcement-purity-of-the-throne-event-sites-amarr-standings-penalty-investigation/

>We are able to identify all characters who have received standings penalties due to this issue, and will be issuing a mass reimbursement of all the incurred standings hits once the issue has been rectified.

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>>154641567
>T3

>m-muh standings!

who fucking cares

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>>154648338
get the fuck out

>>154648668
People care if they choose to go to amarr space and their standing is too low you get shot at

What can beat a 150mm railgun AB hull tanked comet in a novice plex (assuming he's on the beacon when you warp in)?

>>154648856
One fucking tracking disruptor

A crucified is a good ship to use, just kill his drones

>>154648856
A beam slicer

You should have the agility and speed to beat his web and scram by activating your mwd and gaining enough momentum to get out of scram range before he locks you

>>154649319
This isn't true if he's aware. The scram turns off the mwd immediately, not after the cycle.

>>154648856
you can only do it with dumb counter fits

try a vigil fleet issue or ac firetail with plate and double webs, orbit at 500m

>>154649319
a rail comet will hit you at point range, you will be forced to bail

>>154649085
if you don't have range control, your tracking disruptor won't mean shit. a crucifier navy issue might stand a chance, though the comet will still probably win because it's substantially faster, but a t1 crucifier will always lose

>>154649085

He's still gonna get ~180dps between 5-8km, plus the crucifier is slow as shit so the comet has range control.

>>154649319

If he loads spike he's doing 146dps at disruptor range, can a slicer can chew through 10,200 EHP before it dies?

>>154649793
I know that but he doesn't lock for a few seconds. You activate a mwd before he locks you after you land and fly straight away from him. Your mwd should give you enough speed before he shuts it off to fly out of scram range. You only need like 2 seconds

>>154649860
>If he loads spike he's doing 146dps at disruptor range,
Thats assuming he can track that, your beams do more damage at further range than him. 75% reduction in tracking is pretty huge

>>154649860
>>154650030
it has like 4x the comet's sig anyway. so if you're hitting the comet with beams, he can probably hit you with spike, even though spike is the wrong ammo

you don't need spike when you have iridium or whatever, and a beam slicer is not ever going to beat a rail comet so this is pointless anyway

>>154650227

Good point, pyfa shows that at 24km iridium only does 10dps less than xray on a standard beam slicer fit.

Slicer would die or be forced off.

So how's the event?

Worth doing this time around?

>>154651140

Not if you want to go to Amarr space ever again

>>154649860
Why would a brawl comet fit rails?

>>154651307
But they'll revert standings loss so that's a non-issue.

Just wondering how much the sites are worth

>guys, a slicer can't take on a ship with an afterburner

>>154651320

So it can't be scram kited, and can scram kite other blaster ships. It gives the widest possible engagement profile.

>>154652213

It literally can't. The comet is seriously OP.

Does new PYFA not have radian tracking?

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>>154652550

>pyfa

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>>154653035

Now check the difference in EHP. Best case scenario for the slicer is he burns off before getting scrammed, then has to warp off.

>>154651320
because brawl does not mean 0km, it means scram range

>>154652213
you're fucking retarded. your babby shit kiter has 0 tank. the afterburner ship can hit you at any range and has a big tank. you can 'take it on', but what that means is you engage, realise he has modules fitted, then disengage or die

>>154653930
those graphs are wrong. the slicer one for example, you're looking at its applied damage when stationary and fighting a comet that's going 1216m/s around it

not that it matters, both ships will hit for about 100%, all the time

>>154654383

True, but its a more accurate representation that 'forgetting' to put drones in the comet.

>>154653930
The Slicer is going to mitigate most of the drone damage with enough speed, and it doesn't have to orbit, at max speed, if tracking is an issue (and instead fly at specific angles). It can hover at a specific spot flying in circles.

>tfw meme frigateers still shitting up /dog/ with their autistic FW arguments

>>154654459
you can go full speed and reduce your applied damage and avoid taking hits from drones, or you can apply full damage and take hits from drones

>>154654720
>why won't these autists talk about my reddit alliance ;_;

>>154654768
You're missing the point. Full speed can still be flown appropriately for max damage.

https://youtu.be/4yBTaqiMrX4?t=4m20s

>>154654768
Not an explained comment or valid argument

>>154654948
I'm not missing the point, the point is wrong

>>154654948

Its all academic, because the slicer isn't getting off the beacon unless the comet pilot is asleep.

>>154655082
>you have to fly perpendicular to the target

>you have

>>154655137
>this video about using links and pointing cruisers is totally relevant to soloing a rail comet

>>154655301
>links

>it's another new amarr skin that looks good, but worse than unskinned t1 amarr ships episode

>worse

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R8

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>>154658350

>>154658350
Thats a pretty bad fit you should just fly a nightmare

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>nightmare

>armor nightmare

>>154664114
Shield nightmare because armor incursions are crap and slow

>>154664594
>can fit less damage mods
>armor reps only at the end of the rep cycle
>suboptimal selection of ships
Why does anyone even fucking bother flying armor incursions?

>>154664789
>can fit less damage mods

I'm fairly sure you can fit 3-4 damage mods

>>154664789
>>suboptimal selection of ships
It's literally the same shit. Machs and Vindis are the only things that matter. If you fly a NM, you should just biomass anyway becaue the fucking napoc is better.

>napoc

>>154665019
>>the fucking napoc is better.
>implying the incursion turbo-autists would even consider using a suboptimal ship

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>start war over pocos
>other corp is a pvp corp about the same size as us
>looks like it might be happening
>both sides getting ready to rumble
>war goes live soon

>highsec poco wars
srs bsns

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>poco

>>154665019
>If you fly a NM, you should just biomass anyway becaue the fucking napoc is better.

>shield incursions
>youre some kind of retarded

>>154669830
Who hired the better mercs?

>>154669830
Highsec wars are shit, anon. Structure grinding especially.

You're going to be sorely disappointed.

provi switched from navpocs to nightmares

>provi
No one cares

>did about 40 jumps
>0 event sites
Thanks for wasting my time CCP.

I'll just buy the fucking skins on the market.

>>154670868
when did they kick your alliance's ass? no reason to be this butthurt,

>no one cares

Literally the second strongest coalition in game after NC/PL

>>154671047
I don't participate in nullblob pvp.

But I do know everyone laughs at provi.

>>154671142
>everyone laughs at provi

Maybe 5 years ago, they are a powerhouse now. sauce - last week's fight where lumpy/pl/nc got their ass kicked

>I don't do this
>but every7one says something about it
>I am too stupid and ignorant to form my own opinion, so they must be right

>>154671000
mfw 8 sites so far
mfw I'm 1 jump ahead of you doing them all

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>Literally the second strongest coalition in game after NC/PL

>>154671426
What area of space are you looking in

>>154671413
Fuck off m8

>everyone says incursions are pure autism
>try it
>it's pure autism

>everyone says giant 10% tidi fight are aids
>try it
>it is

>everyone says lowsec is infested with linkfags
>try fw
>it absolutely is

>>154671657
lowsec at the moment

>>154671921
How hard are the sites?

Can they be done in a well fit frigate? T3D?

>>154672052
a frigate will do them fine, they're just like crimson harvest

Are the sites all over the place, or amarr space only?

>>154672207
All over. Just don't go looking in highsec obviously. Way overfarmed.

>>154672207
it says they're everywhere

>>154671142

The provi is shit meme exists because its a well populated region to roam in, so lots of people go to provi for content.

Once they get there, they either fight ratters/people moving ships, or a random defence fleet with a shit tier FC.

When provi forms for a CTA under a bloc level FC they're pretty gud.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/52mfvm/is_it_a_breach_of_the_eula_to_have_an_ai_fc_a/d7lf7dm

IS IT FUCKING HAPPENING OR WHAT?

inb4 >leddit

>leddit

>>154673486

>hey guize, I built an AI in my basement that can FC and is totally a quirky bitch lel

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>>154673486
>>154674639

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Who will stop the frig menace?
https://zkillboard.com/kill/56078080/

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>>154675582

>>154674639
Only reddit would believe some autistic shit like that.
Technology like that would get confiscated by the govmint in an instant or the cleaning lady would coincidentally find his body after he "committed suicide."

>finally find my first event site
>drops 20k isk worth of loot and a zealot skin

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>>154675582
Someone needs to start a pledge to have the Punisher removed from the game for fucks sake.

>

>>154675961
Self driving cars do not have that complex AI in them and do not need to still "learn" patterns.

What this guy is claiming is completely ridiculous for a one man project.

>>154675961
those programs don't learn tho.
What that reddit fag is talking about is real fucking AI, a learning computer that can communicate in real time and in great detail, literally one step behind self awareness.

>>154676181

>She has been known to "express" feelings of affection, anger, etc. and over the course of her learning she has been told and "understands" the who/what/where of herself.

>>154676181
>>154676305
you act like this is the first AI of it's kinds
look up neural networks, there are some insane AIs out there already. While insane for what seems like a 1-man project, this is by no means impossible.

Let's see
>a veritable genius in Artificial intelligence has spent the better part of a decade to program a sophisticated AI that has features most AI programmers can only dream of, and he did all of this for a spaceship game
or
>a hack who just wants a moment in the spotlight

I do wonder

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>venture into lowsec in my assault frigate
>nobody wants to fight, cant catch anyone, multiple times have warp stab'd cats slip through my fingers

>>154676305
>>154676181
>>154676181
>>154676373
>>154675961
>>154676413

I'm guessing the guy is wayyyyy over selling his shitty AI.
All it probably does is check whats the best target to kill based on metrics, statistics and stuff and give you the best gank targets via broadcast for boring F1 blobfests while a real human FC just makes sure the fleet doesn't die horribly.

>>154676602

He's literally claiming he has a self-aware AI that feels emotions and can pass the turing test

>>154676759
that's just techno babble, it has motions like cleverbot does, if you insult it, it insults back etc.
there is no way this thing displays any behavior that can be called emotion

the turing test is an absolute meme btw.

>>154676759
hes gonna release it and its literally gonna be:

Logical assessment, terminate target:
>broadcast kill target (Damnation 600mil ehp)
>broadcast kill target (120km snake garmur)
and everyone is gonna uninstall it and will be forgotten in an afternoon.

>>154675582
https://zkillboard.com/kill/56047666/
>amarr

>>154675928
they all drop 1 skin m8

sell that shit fast the price is going to probably plummet

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>A.I.

>still no punisher nerf

CCP, the madness has to stop! Nerf the battleskiff!

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>scorch L

If it makes you feel better the rifter can't fit 280mms reliably, merlin and incursus 150mms either let alone tech IIs.

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>>154680742
>you again

>mach can't full rack of 1400s without fitting mods
WOW WHAT ASHIT LETS SELL ALL OUT MACHS

>>154680938
One reactor control unit is enough

>>154681628
NO U DONT GET IT YOU HAEV TO BE ABLE TO FIT IT WITHOT OR ELSE ITS SHIT

>>154681708
Well unlike an apoc a Maclaren only needs one fitting mod. I don't think a napoc can do a full rack of tachyon without 2.fotting mods

kiting punisher guy, can you please not post

>>154682183
I think you didn't get the sarcastic undertone of my post.

>>154682183
>I don't think a napoc can do a full rack of tachyon without 2.fotting mods

It can, easily. You suck at EVE, biomass irl plz.

>>154682797
The Mach with 1400mm and the entire fit comes together with one reactor control unit where as the apoc doesn't and can't make a mwd, cap booster, and tachyon work. It actually has a bad cpu problem and shit dps

>>154683150
Also the apocalypse isn't cap stable at all even with a medium cap booster. It can't do a heavy cap booster because no fitting

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>tfw browsing the new ORE skins

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>>154615228
Guys, I'm new to to this game, maybe you can help me out. After logging into the launcher and pressing play, the screen is black with some ambient music in the background and a loading wheel in the bottom left. It's been like this for 15 minutes, I've tried restarting everything, the closest I can get is launching the exefile directly and after the game launches I see the intro movie.

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>>154685373
That's common. It sometimes just takes a while on your first time, I think.

>>154685373
Restart your PC, try again.

Also, if you decide to be a faggot and quit, can I have your stuff?

>>154683361
just get a logi to give you cap

>>154686020
>dude, the fit works, just have another ship on site to feed you a vital function

>>154685983
It's working now, slowly. Why do you expect me to quit? Is that common?

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>>154686136
he's just memeing, anon

>>154686154
After so many years I never figured why dogola is hiding behind a giant, purple glove.

>>154686136
>>154685373
Rules of EVE

1. Don't trust anyone, ever, I mean it

2. Don't be a fucking faggot

3. Read the first two again

>>154681628
>Wasting a low on a mach
You use an ancillary rig.

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I was one of the founders of PL back in late 2006 / early 2007 when it was just nesw, snigg and BOS. I was a director up until about late 2010 when I left because they turned into tryhard faggots

ask me anything

>>154690883
why do people unironically join PL? is it because they want to be shitters but feel like they aren't?

>>154691857
I guess they want to join what they see as 'the best' or 'endgame', but even when I left in 2010 all the new people were either forum celebs or gimmick chasers

>>154690883
why is Suas such a retard and do you think about BOS being hired by deployment slut?

>>154690883
Who holds the power in PL?

Is it true most of PL have alts in NC. and vice versa effectively making them populated by the same people?

How rich is PL?

How many supers do they have?

Wtf happened to the armour hacs guy (forgot his name)?

>>154691857
They're the top corp on Zkill, and that sort of trend finds an audience.

>>154692947
tryhard memers and shitters?

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>>154692685
Suas was not active from 2007 - 2010 in BOS, he was in goons at the time I believe. They guy running BOS at the time had no spine at all. BOS had no real leaders or FCs during the early years. They left PL after I left so I don't know their story since.

>>154692840
>Who holds the power in PL?
back then it was Shamis Orzoz and Shadoo, they built PL between them. Snigg provided the muscle and NESW provided the brains and logistics, BOS just followed. these days I don't know I do my own thing, probably Elise Randolph and Grath Telkin

>Is it true most of PL have alts in NC. and vice versa effectively making them populated by the same people?
NC came into existence after I left, I've no idea these days who is in bed with who politically

>How rich is PL?
unfathomably rich from moon mining, we took fountain and delve back in the day and were making trillions every week. There was a 'slosh fund' directors could use no questions asked that was in the 10s of billions

>How many supers do they have?
it started turning into super land about the time I left, I've no idea now things have accelerated quite a bit

>Wtf happened to the armour hacs guy (forgot his name)?
after I left, in my time we used shield zealots and muninns, sometimes rail astartes and cerbs for skirmishing

>>154693423
M.M.O.

>>154692947
joining the 'winning' team is pretty pathetic

>>154695779
>winning EVE

>>154693550
Are you in one of the big alliances/coalitions? No need to specify.

>>154696640
No I left PL in late 2010 and quit eve for a few years, since coming back I mostly just roam low sec and do carebear things.

Bear in mind I was in my mid 20s when all that went down, I'm now in my mid 30s with kids and spending 18 hours a day in such an environment of tryhards is the polar opposite of what I want.

There are very VERY few of the original PL guys still playing, most of the current generation are F1 monkeys from what I've seen, it's simply PL's capital mass that keeps them on top.

>>154692840
>Who holds the power in PL?
Grath and Elise

>most of PL have NC alts?
PL has alts in anyone whose relevant to them at the time.

>how rich is PL
rich enough for Super SRP

>how many super
a lot

>armor hacs guy
meme'd into history

>>154697032
>>154697045
How can PL be taken down. Theorize.

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>>154697330
if CCP actually fixes capital ships so they have counters

>>154697330
They can't. PL is highly nomadic and don't have a permanent home.

>>154697371
>hurr muh hard counters
capitals already got rebalanced, more capitals have died than ever. Git gud

>>154697032
Who builds PL's supers and caps?

Is it the Russians?

>>154697330
Like any alliance it's nothing without its leaders. Most of the really talented leaders have long since retired. It'll fall apart in due time, another 2 or 3 years.

>>154697601
>Who builds PL's supers and caps?
They do, or they outsource

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>>154615228
Okay I just did the first few combat missions, when a guy named "Devout" from the Blood Raider gang gave me an offer after I defeated one of his guys.

>...So I give you this proposition. Visit our agents to join our cause, and earn wealth beyond your wildest dreams. The stuck-up corporations here in Empire space have nothing to offer you that we can't double, or even triple...

My question is where do I join up with these guys? He wasn't very specific about where to go. More ISK and cool looking ships sounds tempting

>>154697857
blood raiders? Somewhere down in Delve

Show Info on the Blood Raider corporation and they have a home system

>>154697636
>no sov
>building supers

anon...

>>154698271
You think people in PL build their own supers in PL? Most people have alts in other corporations/alliances that do have sov access to build them in. Either way PL either does this themselves or they ask an unaffiliated supplier

>>154697857

You don't join them btw, you just go there and there are some mission agents.

Obviously the players who live in delve will want to blow you up, so don't take your ratting battleship

>>154698365
>hey anon what are you building with the corp minerals and assets?
>I'm building a super for PL, CEO
>but they are our enemies, anon.
>I am a PL super building alt, CEO.
>ok carry on

I am sure it works that way

>>154699348
The corporation that supplies PL probably doesn't say "they are our enemy"

And it probably does work like that latter half except the CEO either doesn't know about it or otherwise

>The Void S BPO now requires the correct materials for copy operations.

AHAHAHA GET FUCKED BPO OWNERS, YOUR SHIT JUST GOT NERFED.

>>154697472
yeah, to other capitals

>>154699348

>I'm building supers for profit and paying taxes on every job
>ok carry on

>>154699497
explain pls I don't know shit about industry

>>154699348
People in this game are more retarded than you think. There are corps that have been filled up with ratting alts and the ceo has no idea.

>>154700686
This

Those little starter up corporations that either don't know what API's are, how to check them or use them OR retards who KNOW about API's and simply never require them bring upon themselves so much trouble its like having a suit made of money in a ghetto

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>>154615228
Getting back into the game,what does ship balance look like? Last I played Gallente put nearly every non-pirate ship to shame. Is Amarr in a good place now?

>>154700292
With the benefit of very subcap. Carriers no longer logi themselves, supers are stupidly weak and titans aren't massive tanks. Sure they have new gimmicks and items and weapons but they're far more susceptible to subcaps now by far.

A titan can be pinned with a warp scrambler II, no longer do you need bubbles and HIC points to keep them still

You could put a scrambler on a cruiser and simply pin an Erebus from using its jump drive. Sure it can warp away but not much else. It can't use a MWD, use a jump drive, its bridge won't activate. It cannot do any of that with a SINGLE warp scrambler from a SINGLE cruiser.

Don't give me this shit that capitals need hard counters when more and more capitals die every day to all sorts of shit than ever before

>>154702852
>a warp scrambler II

more like 20 warp scrambler IIs

and I never said hard counters, just counters. all of them got better at fucking up subcaps

>>154702226
minmatar wrecks
caldari is shit on
amarr and gallente are okay, but gallente is still lolnocap

>>154702226
factions are are ok. the really overpowered ships are mostly pirate ships. svipul is super op but getting nerfed soon. other than that things are pretty good, though not perfect

amarr aren't 'bad', but a bunch of their ships are very samey. I feel like when other races have 3 totally different ships, amarr seems to only have 2, and one that's very similar to the another

>>154702226
>>154704594
It's worth noting that medium AC's are still, I won't say bad, but "meh."

>>154704875
so are medium blasters and pulses. this is just the way things are when ccp gives long range medium guns +33% dps or whatever it was

>>154704987
I suppose? Medium pulses are pretty good, especially on ships with optimal bonuses i.e. ONI still being a GOAT ship. Medium AC's on the other hand really suffer for having like 18km falloff (barrage, no falloff bonus) compared to Scorch M that will go to around 20km optimal (again, no range bonus). Medium blasters are admittedly pretty shit unless you are bumping a stationary target.

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>>154704594
Wait Minmatar is actually good? I remember they were terrible, the Rifter was nerfed to shit, firetail was shit, hurricane was shit, people even stopped using arty Thrashers in favor of Catalysts. Can you please give a me a quick rundown anon? Because minnie's were my favorite faction by far.

>>154705636
it sounds like you have some issue understanding short range combat

>>154705649
they have some good ships and some bad ships. all of their ships with web range bonuses are still massively popular in gangs. I guess I'll list some bad ships. rifter, rupture, bellicose, muninn, cyclone, claymore. I might've missed a couple, but apart from these their stuff is all ok or good. their AFs are both bad, but that doesn't count because all AFs are bad

>>154705649
He's meming.
They're all fairly balanced when it comes to subcaps, all have good ships all over the place and shit ships too.
Gallente probably edges out a bit tho.
The rifter is still shit.
But minmatar has the svipul, scythe fleet issue, sabre, breacher, typhoon, sleip, cane, cane fleet issue, (((loki))), scimitar, both recons and pirate ships.
On a lesser note the bellicose, panther, vargur, broadsword, scalpel and bifrost are good ships in their respective roles.
Medium projectiles are still shit, small and large are good, t2 ammo is mostly a meme.

>>154706307
>Medium projectiles

medium artillery is fine

>>154706459
if you can find a ship that can fit it yeah.
I'd like to rephrase, medium projectiles are shit on cruisers.
The hurricane family make good work of medium projectiles

>>154706716
Basically this. Even the Cynabal has to be at 1km to get a full 400ish dps. If you are as far as 10km then you're down under 300.

>>154706092
>understanding short range combat
Should it really be short range now that BCs got optimal bonuses, and everything but frigates can shoot out to 100k?

>>154706716
maybe. sleipnir has those great double 50% damage bonuses, best damage bonuses of any command ship. I think it's only the stabber and rupture, and I guess loki that end up being bad at killing stuff. stabber and rupture only have 4 guns I think, and rupture is slow and has gimpy fitting. I don't know about T3s because I'm not gay

>>154707063
it does plenty of dps. I think trying to kite with medium autocannons is inherently retarded though, and wish ccp would stop designing ships for it

>>154707181
I think range creep is probably a problem, ccp should cut back on that shit

>>154707185
I feel that CCP really want for autocannons to be skirmish-y, but aren't really sure how they can make them do that without being OP for pure brawling.

>>154707314
This, but I'm also more worried about EHP creep. Even just a few years ago you were tanky as fuck if you got 10k EHP on a frig or even a dessie, now it seems like 10-15k EHP is the norm on all the new small ships. And I bet that when AF's get a rebalance they are going to end up getting way more EHP too.

>>154707185
Not even the loki can use medium artys well, just pulls no damage, has good application tho.
Best meme fits I've seen that use arty are cloaky hunters to kill ratters, technically the webs alone are more dangerous than the arty dps.

>>154706716
>if you can find a ship that can fit it yeah
arty vagabond, faggot

>>154707652
link a fit nigger

>>154707602
it's a difficult balance though, because if you give them enough dps and let people just push their range out so they can do decent dps at like 20-30km, you've got a weapon with approximately blaster tracking, but at like 10x the range. it's just completely fucks smaller ships up horribly

and yeah the tank creep is pretty ridiculous. t3ds and jump destroyers are cancer. have you seen the aids active tanks you can get on jump destroyers without even any pimp? it's fucking dumb. and 25k ehp svipuls, just fucking kill me I don't want to log in

>>154707314
It seems fine except for frigates, and perhaps not fine because of T3Ds being everywhere.

>not flying the nano arty loki

[Loki, Artyki]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Domination Nanofiber Structure
Syndicate Damage Control
Domination Nanofiber Structure

Gistum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

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>>154708078

>>154708078
nice shitfit
you need to add the power core multiplier and the other tank subsystem to add 2 more guns and have crazy dps

>>154708078
[Loki, Loki fit]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

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>720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP M

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>he needs t2 projectile ammo on all his guns

no, but don't you feel gross, having a stack of 5 guns and 1 gun on its own? I'd self destruct that shit

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>he doesn't keep a hidden different modeled weapon to kill tackle ceptors that get confused after looking at your ship

>implying you wouldn't fly this


[Vagabond, ArtyVag]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Shadow Serpentis Reactor Control Unit
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery
Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

>4 mids
>shield boost bonus
>2016

Everytime someone posts a fit, that fucking dog shows up, stop shitting up peoples contributions.

>>154707810
Yeah I don't know, it is really hard to balance. Rails have this really awesome range where even with antimatter you are looking at like 15+km optimal with another 15km in falloff. That almost seems better for the "skirmishing" zone than any AC. And pulses just apply incredibly well inside of that hard 20km range. I guess it would be nice is medium AC optimal was more like 5-7km with 15-20km falloff as opposed to the 1-3km optimal 20-25km falloff it has now.

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8 names my widow

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>>154711097

>>154711097
eggplant

>>154711097
Bill Clinton by November

>>154711097
Arty Vagabond

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>>154712018
meme!

>-GAG-

>>154633858
Thanks for the time save, anon. Please do this more, anyone else reading this.

>>154711097
9gag

What is the best counter to a Stratios?

what are event sites listed as in the overview settings

Is it possible to crash the market in this game?

>>154717692
Yes

>>154717692
although you wont be a big enough player to enact these things, but look up the gallente ice interdiction, and burn jita

>>154708078
>faction nano for no reason
>4 guns

>>154708652
>scout

>>154716638
A more expensive stratios

>>154719665
Burn jita hardly crashes anything.

All it does is spike price on popular suicide gank hulls and their respective weapons/weapon damage modules

>>154716662
Celestial beacons I think.

There's only one type as far as I'm aware. Something something purity of throne temple.

>white = pure

ugh, really CCP?

minmanigger please

*smacks lips*

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>>154712824

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>ugh

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You fags can't even keep the thread alive.

did it die again?

So how is everyone enjoying these new sites?

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>>154733153
Best hisec ticks. Othervise it's shit. Skins are worthless.

>the same single site
>the same waves of rats
>looks like loot table is literally just that of a normal bc spawn (i.e. crap) + a random skin
It's trash. These skins will flood the market and at the end of this "event" cost maybe 5m isk in jita.

WTB full pack of purity SKINS 10 mil for all

/dog/ is deader than usual today

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>/dog/

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>punisher vs orthrus
Who wins?

>>154736883
I hope you mean garmur.

If not, u dum

>>154736883
>>154736883
https://zkillboard.com/kill/56078080/

>>154737056

>orthrus didn't just neut off the scram and warp out

What a shitter

>>154737229
>Neuting a punisher
Good joke anon
We ask know amarr ships have infinite cap

>join a new corp
>consistently 10-15 guys online in my TZ
>check my corp's zkill page after being in corp for 3 days
>all kills in the last 3 days are me
>I'm top killer already
>why.jpg

>>154737229
>implying that's the worst part about this kill
He only has one type of missiles, he has regular missile launchers instead of RLMLs, and he's a fucking afterburner fit on an orthrus

>>154737846

Haha, Holy shit, I didn't even notice. It looked like a pretty standard orthrus fit to a cursory glance.

>>154737993
He also has two medium ASBs on a fucking cruiser.

He must have like 50% CPU and PG left

>>154737056
His whole KB is a meme
https://zkillboard.com/kill/55275701/

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>making up excuses for the Orthrus
Orthrus was dead from the moment the punisher put him on his list of shit he wanted to punish.
End of study

>>154738469
>punished for 0.0%

>>154739019
He went soft on him.

What/s /dog/'s opinion on buying PLEX?

I don't have the time to grind isk in game, it's easier to buy 10 PLEX at a time.

>>154738420
Jesus christ he could have used a Nano both Jesus noted of the trimark but he used a fucking trimark instead

Garbage fit, no tank either way

>>154740059
If you actually want to blow your I'll dosh instead of doing something easy in game that makes money. There's nothing wrong with buying Plex but 10 at a time? That's a lot of money

>>154740279
I can make isk in game, but it's dull. Ratting/DEDs/relics whatever. I just don't like it.

The market stuff creeps me the fuck out.

Buying PLEX is easy and I can pew as much as I want.

>>154740481
I mean I just run level 5 missions in my carrier for a half hour and suddenly I have 500m to use for all my shit. If you find a really high end content to do that generates a fuck ton of isk in a short amount of time you're simply better off

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>>154738469

>>154740613
Post yfw the punisher is so slow and he has no third mid for a web that you simply slow boat out of his range and leave

>he spends real life dosh on eve

>>154740598
I have done it before. Too much attention required. Too grindy. Not enough reward lel.

>>154741020
Too grindy? It's the easiest thing ever. Incursions by default require far more attention

Warp carrier to mission, kill mission target, warp to station and dock

Not enough reward? It's literally 700m-1b an hour in isk

>>154741157
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you basically HAVE to join specific corps/alliances that live in the area where you can do these missions?

Best way to make money I've recently found out.
And this is coming from someone that ran L5s while mining on 15 hulks like a cyno at the same time.

Is dealing in pilots.
Buy low shitty messes, perfect their skills and sell high.
Super pilots are specially profitable, buy a sitter/starter crap pilot for 8bill.
Train for a few months to be perfect no sp waste pilot and sell for 35 bill.

Do this for 5 pilots at a time or more if you have the liquid to invest, no need to do shit other than keep plexing them.

The funny part is how sp farmers thought they were so clever and doing the hip new way to make ISK, but playing with the bazaar had been extremely profitable since forever.

>>154741324
No

There is no risk of getting caught because you're so stupidly fast and the missions are so quick there's simply no way to get caught. But tons of people somehow fuck up this stupidly simple list of instructions and die because they didn't see combat probes on dscan

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>>154740732

>>154741324
L5s are in low sec.
You don't NEED to be in a Corp but if you are with the Corp that lives in the area it's "safer".
Although L5s are safer than highsec since you spend 80% on warp.

>>154741387
Most people have no where near that kind of isk to invest.

In your specific example, your up front costs are 8 bil + 1b/month for what, 6 months? a year?

That's a huge investment for most players, especially since that isk is effectively gone until you sell the character.

>>154741773
Never said it was good for beginners.

>>154741730
>you spend 80% on warp
What, do level 5's only require you to kill one ship or something?

>>154742002
A ship or a structure.
The other ones you decline.
And you're always aligned.
There is a very small window to catch you, I'm talking virtues with hyperspatials and bring good at scanning in one scan.
And even then most missions have a beacon that fucks with the cyno.

>>154742002
Ironically, L5s are easier than L1s, or even rookie ship tutorials career agent things.

>>154742002
Level 5 missions are done on such a way that you only do the missions with single targets. Also you only do the missions that can take carriers