/smtg/ - 真・女神転生 / Shin Megami Tensei General

Samarecarm!

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Hee ho

mudo

hama

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>>153459641
>>153459676
Fuckyoudyne

>>153457007
/smtg/ sings fucking when? Come on, let's sing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9hfbTv4veU

>>153461107
I'd be down, how would we do this?

>>153462040
Record yourself in vocaroo and then some faggot will put every entry together. The link also has the lyrics.

>>153464061
Is that anon that was supposed to compile it still around?

>>153464681
There's no way of telling.

This project has a few months by now.

Hey, /smtg/, I've been gone for aeons. What happened to the Devil Summoner Translation? I know that one of our anons finished translating the script, but did that materialize into a fan translation ROMhack at any point? I think I remember there being talk of something like that.

Is there anything I need to know before I start SMT2?

>>153468285
You'll need 10 Magic.

>>153468285
Using the default names put points into Law. If you want to use the default names but don't want that, just delete and re-enter the names.

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Euro release?

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Wake up.

In which game is the Luck stat useful?

>>153472316
No

>>153472351
>not maxing Luck in every game

Megidolaon

Power Charge

>>153473695
Tarukaja

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9N1yjehmc

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>>153473695
>>153474039
Die Hard

>>153468190
Debisama has the toolkit for patching the game, but it goes very slow, because he's very busy IRL right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEN2Uo6RFR0

>>153481186
This general is dead as shit.

Dead

>>153481245
The others couldn't survive in a world of STR

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>Anon found /smtg/'s left arm!

>>153472351
Soul Hackers, Persona, Devil Summoner.

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>Last Thread:
>209 replies
AHAHAHAHAHAH WE #FE NOW

>>153472351
DDS1, it makes grinding for money a lot faster. DDS2, not as much, but still helps.

Is everyone busy with school?

>>153488976
You need to be 18 to post in 4chan

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>>153489130
Try to stop me.

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>>153475384
That's good to hear. Just making sure it wasn't dead. Thanks, anon.

>>153489130
By 'school' I meant college. In my second week now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3LupjaBGmo

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Started playing this last night. I've never played an SMT game before other than P4G do I need to play any other games before this one? I know this is a remake but is there any reason to play the original over this?

>>153493469
DeSu is a standalone story and the Overclocked version is the original game, but with more content and better balanced gameplay.

>>153493469
>is there any reason to play the original over this?
no
>do I need to play any other games before this one?
no

>>153488976
Most people here have been too cynical and insufferable lately, and I'm trying out other games.

>>153493629
>>153493672
Thanks

Mortal Jihad

>>153495384
Its super effective.

Just reloaded a 2 years old save of DeSu Overclocked just to cuck Betatron again in Naoya's 8th day. Felt good.

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>Record Breaker lets me have Yamato, Miyako and Al-Saiduq on the same team

LET'S
DO
THIS

So what's new in Apocalypse anyway? I haven't done much digging but I plan on buying at launch and wanna know how much it differs from IV gameplay wise.

>>153342158
SMT4A's combat is supposed to be improved so it's not a fucking instakill slot machine.

Also, less awful plot, but I've shit better plots than SMT4.

>>153485148
I think we need to let TMS#FE in the thread.

>>153440236
I liked Soul Hackers but it's not worth replaying. It's ALREADY incredibly easy as is and there's next to no plot to speak of and while the dungeons are better than SMT4 it's still not a particularly interesting game beyond the 90s anime cyberpunk aesthetic and abuse of the rule of cool.

>>153470006
They can try but I already sold the console.

So do figures of Aleph and the first protagonist just not exist?

>>153499674
I fucking hated how much dick/clit sucking Yamato and Miyako gets. Even when Miyako betrays you and you start getting hype over having a Coup on the JPs the game still goes "Nooo, Miyako is sooo perfect, she'd never do anything bad. She totally is a good guy".

Fighting Yamato and Ronaldo was the best part of DeSu2, hell fighting every friend you make was the best part of the Alcor route in the first game.

Then again, the Mainline bug is just stuck on me, telling me to kill my friends.

>>153500687
SMT combat is never going to be as good as EO but it could certainly be worth playing if they patch it up a bit.

>>153499674
The twins are pretty shit desu

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>>153457007
Does anyone else think that's a cheap super boss? Its basically a test for no reason. Why not have a boss that actually is some kind of a villian? And if captain steve is so goddamn strong, why hasn't he lifted a single finger to help any protagonist thus far? Its not like he can't interact with the worlds they exist in, since he obviously gives them upgrades at times.

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>>153504772
Yeah but who cares when you have demons like this to carry them

>>153500249
>You can now choose the partner you want to accompany you in battle
>STR is now linked to physical skills and DEX is merely for guns and piercing skills
>You can place markers in the map
>Demons now have skill affinities, so let's say that now Jack Frost can have stronger bufu skills while having weaker physical or fire skills
>Hard mode unlocked from the beginning, as well as the very hard mode available as free DLC
>There is some sort of GTA San Andreas-esque quest to gain control of Tokyo against other factions

And obviously it has a new places to explore and more demons.

>>153509264
>Judgement
>Curse Dance
>Gigajima
>Petra Eyes
>Marin fucking Karin

Also
>Ice Repel
Great Job healing the boss.

I have a 3DS/Vita and I've never played an SMT game. What's a good starting point.

>>153511127
Devil survivor overclocked.

>>153510801
It's enough to get me through anything in DeSu2 so who cares

Is there chinese inspired music in any megaten game?

>>153503197
We are lucky for having a couple of figures of some demons and Raidou.

Tetrakarn

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Saw this on tumblr and praying it leaks early. I don't want to have to wait for the 20th to pick up my copy.

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Does anyone else think atlus dropped the ball with the massacre ending? They're trying to present it as a neutral ending. But why? The entire "thing" about standard neutral was rejecting being willing to do the certain extreme purges associated with law to get it. Now we have the biggest purge in series, with unambiguous brainwashing besides, showing that you obviously don't value autonomy very highly like standard neutral does, and the only thing that makes it any different from a typical law ending is that you smirk like an asshole the whole time, and dagda is racist against demons. (which would fit just as easily on a regular law ending, since generally you banish the demons anyways, and the angels fuck off to somewhere or kill themself). But suddenly that counts as a "balance" based on nothing but that it has the aesthetics of chaos thrown onto law. Which if anything makes it worse than standard law. Who are they even trying to appeal to here? The only people who would think it can be spun as good, are typical lawfags, but they're trying to change it to not have the parts that appeals to said lawfags.

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>>153516056
>racism against demons
gamefaqs plz

>>153516056
Don't you know Atlus logic?
Humans are in charge? That's neutral. The End.

>>153516465
How else would you call it. He decided that demons apparently inherently are unfit for interacting with humans, and so literally all of them need to be banished for good. Which is more than a little bizarre. Even if we accept that its a feature of demons that law and chaos ones go extra extreme, and that gods think of themselves as better than humans oftentimes, there's probably ways one can deal with that other than this.

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>>153516746
The part that makes even less sense is the fact that this already happens in other games at times its not called neutral. In II, your law representative used to be human. You fight against both the angels and yhvh. At the end he dies, and passes the torch to the messiah, and gabriel fucks off with all the angels. So humans are in charge past then. It "doesn't count" since gabriel loosely having a 4% influence on the plot before then counts as anti human? The line about hiroko saying that you dont have yhvh or lucifer to cling to doesn't even make sense to be presented as exclusively neutral, since the same thing is true of law. Unless of course the implication is that in the larger sense in law, you still see "god" in a more pantheistic light.

But that's the thing. If siding with demons counts as "not human" even if it ends with humans, then how does massacre NOT qualify? Dagda is very obviously a demon. And satan is also. He doesn't even bring johnathan and walter back for you on massacre. So even if it ends with a human in charge, demons were there to be the reps of the goal. What's more that trend doesn't even totally hold, seeing as how in IVs universe both for neutral in IV and doubly so for bonds in IVA, there are very definitely gods there who are being clung to and relied on. Moreso in IVA.

Also the whole "chaos might only make sense as a reaction to law" nonsense is pretty bizarre. Unless its meant to be an insult to actual anarchists, saying that if you ever achieved that, it would slowly move back to neutral anyways, since total chaos is by nature unstable.

>>153517402
Well, I don't know really. One thing that has been part of neutral since SMT1 is that humans should solve their own problems and not rely on God/angels or (chaos) demons to do it for them. Maybe that's why massacre is neutral, it involves not rellying on either of those... is what I would like to say, but Satan joining you at the end throws a wrench in that theory.

>>153517402
Law, order, can also be seen as a reaction to freedom and chaos due to their unstable nature. It's a chicken-egg situation which real answer is that both had their birth with human consciousness. Animals and nautre are not conscious of their actions so they cannot control their actions so they can't be categorized as either lawful or chaotic

>>153517815
To make it even worse, Satan is still identified as a law demon in-game by his alignment. The implication then being that he's some form of alternate law, where his loyalties don't lie with the law of standard understanding, but the idea of an administrator in general. Which at the end he decides should be you? Maybe they just didn't want to align him as neutral since he is an angel, and no angels or fallen angels have ever been neutral.

It seems like what they're trying to go with is that on law and chaos even if you end with no one over humans, those are still """associated""" whatever that means with angels and fallen angels. Whereas if what you are doing is not, then for no reason they'll lump you into neutral. and since you yourself are the administrator, there's no one else you're going with. But that's still bizarre and incoherent.

Anybody know if there's a way to break open iOS apps? I bet the English SMT1 they released is little more than a GBA image and an emulator.

>>153518254
That seems inconsistent though, seeing as how the game seems to imply that animals are way chaotic, and associates chaos with living like things do in nature, where things simply die when its required. And so human existence is the stable regulation of it in human ways. With law going even further. If one considers the alignments as actual ideological zones, it doesn't take much creativity to realize that amoral animals resemble chaos the most.

>>153516056
It's neutral because they've degenerated Law and Chaos into nothing more than meaningless theater for YHVH

In other words, it's shit

>>153518996
YHVH is Atlus.

Law and Chaos is meaningless theater for Atlus.

>>153511127
Persona 4 Golden on VITA

Devil Survivor Overclocked if you want a more vanilla SMT feel on 3DS

Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker if you want a more Persona feel on 3DS

>>153518996
Who is ironically himself also neutral, since he wants a balance of law and chaos to exist on the long term.

Honestly, we should have seen this coming with record breaker. Miyako is the pseudo law character, and siding with her gives you a bad end. And the game is pretty clear that despite administrator being a little law ish and yamato being chaos ish that its presenting the real endings all as forms of neutral. Now this nonsense is making its way into mainline.

Is society in the West heading towards a Law path?

>>153518420
Maybe bonds and massacre are meant like the "human/neutral" chaos and "human/neutral" law. In comparison to the standard "alien" chaos and "alien" law which are not really pro-human but more like the perfect systems of chaos demons and angels. When you think about bonds ends with all the humans and gods still coexisting with each other, which means there are still a lot of ideals represented by them, a lot of ideals = chaos. In massacre there is just one god - you who represents the one single ideal of the new world, one ideal = law.

>>153519446
More like Chaos with Law figureheads.

>>153519237
It made its way into mainline with SMT4. The law and chaos endings were total lol. And they're joke dummy endings in 4A too..

>>153519558
The endings there were extreme, but they were still endings. If you count bias, its been around since literally forever. But it went from bias to that just not being enough and so actively making you have no options.

Am I being an idiot why do Demons like to steal my shit and run away whenever I talk to them. Is it because I'm playing SMT 4 retardedly? I have expert scout.

>>153518659
Who says the game developers know their shit? They some japs dudes not philosophy majors. Order and Chaos are human concepts entirely based around human behavior. To coin their presence or absence in nature is nothing but projecting our sentience into their lack of it. It's a mark of solitude in earth as conscious beings.

>>153519503
If you don't mind, would you like to explain your reasoning? I was considering Law leaning as a societal whole because of the rampant censorship of persons that disagree with a given party, self victimizing for emotional swaying, crazy leaks on the web... I just feel as though if you chose any one person at random today, they'd easily take the road to create a world that completely echoes their ideals and rather than outright destroying the opposition (that I would consider a Chaos move), they'd rather make them a lower class citizen.

I may or may not be autistically crafting a US based SMT short story.

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>>153519489
Well, the way they are presented does make them seem like dark/law and light/chaos. Which since normal law is light/law and normal chaos is dark/chaos, then switching those does count as a KIND of balance. But the question is what makes this balance any "more human" than normal? For bonds its understandable what makes it human, since while the gods are still around, they represent human thoughts and are now kept more under control. And this is only a balance based on how the sides are normally presented. Massacre is still different from neutral. Its just different in a way that has some aspects of two sides who were previously considered the edges. But that's not really enough to make it human.

But for massacre, literally all the different human sides side against you, whereas IVs universe obviously pre-established that some of them correspond to law and chaos to certain degrees, even if being imperfect. Same as how in the past there were religions run by humans also. Which leads us back into the weird flip flop it is to admit that humans made these religions and their ideologies, but then insisting its not human. Massacre is among the most extreme endings yet. So its clearly not closer to normal neutral by much than standard law and chaos. Yet somehow casually throwing on dagda saying that a human will be in charge instead of a god makes it human somehow. Despite the fact that you are now heavily different from anything resembling a standard human, both power wise, and due to owning the seat of power, and ideologically.

Not only that of course, satan comes along and says there should be one person in charge, and him and you vote for you, so yhvh loses the vote. Obviously this implies that your role is demon approved. Despite ironically not by most of the demons. and someone having the power of a god over the rest of humans is far from "natural." Hell, in SJ arthur thought worshiping him itself would be improper, despite not a demon. Why not for you?

>>153519946
The problem there is that neutral doesn't mean "no answer." It means between. So there's no reason to assume that some default defaults to neutral when it actually means in the middle of something.

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>>153520689
The problem is that most neutral players are dumb and think neutral means everything else but me is retarded.

>>153521043
The problem with lumping multiple things into neutral is the bizarre ambiguity. So for the most part all real world groups count as neutral? Making all real situations seem like no disagreement exists since they are all the same thing seems to radically miss the point of there being disagreement in general. Sure, real world groups don't usually disagree enough to need to fight over it. But even so.

>>153520582
By calling massacre "human/neutral" law, I really just meant that the one single ideal is now represented by a human who got turned into a god, and that it's considered neutral simpy because of that.

I agree that it doesn't make sense, since law and chaos are suppose to be about certain actions and ways of thinking in general. Like say Infernal Akira who the game clearly identifies as law and he talks about lawful ideals but there are no angels anywhere to associate him with.

But that seems to be what they are simplifying into now.

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When do I get Pierce+ in DeSu2 Triangulum?

I really am facing a dilemma here between Pierce and Anti-Most.

>>153518460
>gba image and an emulator
nah, it's not a standard rom or a standard emulator, the music wouldn't fit in a regular rom or play in a regular emulator
they likely edited some old code to make the game pass calls to the app to play music rather than have the game play it's own music.
the emulator and rom are likely inseparable.
then again, i'm assuming merely based on my limmited knowledge, and you know what they say about assuming

>>153522516
>Pierce+

There's a skill like that in DeSu2?

>>153523519
overclocked had it too
auto-skill version of pierce essencially

>>153523616
I've played through the entirety of Triangulum's True End route and I've never encountered that

I guess it's in another route split

>>153522295
It sounds like a desperate grab from atlus to try to shunt law fans into neutral by going "ha. now your thing is called neutral so you have no choice but to call yourself that way!" They really just need to get someone on their team who isn't too bipolar to actually decide whether there should be multiple endings of any merit or not.

>>153523798
Well, I hope you are ready for telling Merkabah that you fight for a "World without bias" if you don't want a stat decrease.

>>153522516
Why are your stat bonuses for Jeanne D'Arc?

When I got her mine were huge, you're making use of the compendium aren't you?

>>153522295
SMT was never really about the plot anyway so seeing it handwaved shouldn't be scary.

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>>153522516
>having to choose between Pierce and Anti-Most

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So how are chaosfags dealing with the crisis of identity that is being brought by iva? The bonds ending can't really be spun as analogous to chaos, since its sunshine and happiness and everyone getting along. And massacre is more or less law that the game pretends is neutral. Either way, its not chaos. So there's nothing for edgelords to really cling to.

>>153529356
Most of them FINALLY killed themselves at the news, thank fuck.

>>153529356
Are there even people who like the standard chaos? I doubt anyone believes that a world full of malicious demons with permanent state of anarchy where might makes right is something desirable. When people like chaos endings, it tend to be the special ones like TDE, Naoya end or SMT2. None of those are really the standard chaos.

should I worry about my neutral alignment in SMT 1 being fucked up based on which demons I use, like anything I should be cautious of

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>>153530256
There's people who pretend to if that counts.

There's a few edgelords who think its depicting it a little like a strawman, but ideologically think the whole everyone for themself mentality sounds good.

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I haven't checked in for quite a while. How's the progress on fan translations?
Did Devil Summoner finally get one finished?

>>153530603
>>153468190
>>153475384
And P2EPPSP is not dead.

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>>153530702
I'll believe that when I'm playing it.

>>153530406
a world where anyone can obtain the power of demons if they're not limp dicked cowards isn't so terrible

>>153530256
>Not mentioning the best chaos route
Yamato

>>153531016
>limp dicked cowards

Yeah. Being killed when you're 5 because you were too weak is totally your own fault, and not an indication that everyone for themself won't actually create a meritocracy.

>>153531264
We just need god to rewrite mankind's priorities!

>>153524825
They're there, it's just that Hecate and Skasahat both had a lot of mag so Jean got mag.

>>153526604
Sure Pierce is most effective offensively, but Anti-Most essentially rids a unit of all weaknesses and becomes an Extra Turn hogger. Plus by thay point you can just buy a Nue to spread Pierce among your demons while you gotta keep.

>>153524825
No, much easier. I just look up the fusion requirements for a key demon and buy them from the aution as cheap as possible without burying 2 or 3 stars. Orobas + Mothman give you Hecate.

>>153529356
Anon, IV blows both lawfags and chaosfags the fuck out. Us Neutralfags have known since SMT1 that the correct answer is always a balance between Order and Freedom.

Can you sense it? The world, the galaxies, the universe? The thread the binds all of existence... You too are part of it.

>>153533518
How? IV has one of the best law endings in the series. Neutral is a clusterfuck that it tries to make better by making you do more side quests.

>>153533789
Getting used and then killed when I am no longer necessary is not my idea of a good ending.

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>>153534305
That's because you're selfish.

And that's not my opinion. Its what the game is literally expressing to you. The entire dynamic of law is the greater good. They kill a relatively small handful of people since its necessary to minimize suffering and untimely deaths long term across generations. The reason that neutral calls law goodwill and chaos spite is exactly that. Law is only focused on the big picture. The selfishness you present as a "good" thing is born from spite.

On the ending it shows that you as a person overcome human emotions entirely. It freaks isabeau out, and impresses lucifer when he realizes you don't even react to him anymore. This also means that by this point you totally overcame selfishness. You already signed on to agreeing that killing some people is okay if it saves a far larger amount. You get to the end and are told that its still beneficial for you and merkabah to die too. What's two more deaths in exchange for the benefits? You already signed onto the dynamic of the system, so it would be hypocritical to exclude yourself from it at the last moment because of selfishness. Because the entire logic of it is the fact that there are no exceptions. Rather, since you already overcame your human emotions, you accept it. Because you know its the right thing to do. If you exclude yourself from the law of the greater good, why not anyone else?

Its understandable why out of cowardice people wouldn't want to accept this. But that doesn't make their cowardice actually correct.

>>153519661
That's the SMT Experience™ senpai

>>153534840
>That's because you're selfish.
Yes, I am. I feel no shame in admitting that. I can clearly tell you. My happiness takes precedence over the happiness of others. If you are willing to be used and discarded for others benefit that is your business. I am not.

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>>153529793
Good riddance.

>>153535259
That guy on the left is scaring me.

>>153534840
Although I haven't played IV and refuse to play it, what you described goes against human nature, and considering that tends to be a major theme in megaten that makes your reasoning for law added to the list of reasons why I won't play.

Did humanity in Final even deserve the Bond ending? I feel that humans just want the power of gods without reading the scripture, followimg the rules if religon

>Tamaki was modeled after Tadashi's idol waifu Uchida Yuki
>so was Heero Yuy from Gundam Wing

What does it mean?

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>>153535259
>Implying all atheists are chaosniggers
For (You)

>>153535352
Careful anon, someone might call you a fedorafag.
No.

>>153535214
Okay? But we weren't talking about whether you out of cowardice would take a worse ending because your own benefits would be higher on it. We were talking about what is the better ending overall. Your criticism of law is that you don't like doing the right thing if its hard. That doesn't make it a bad ending. Its just showing the point that anyone who understands the frameworks would already understand. The fact that they present it here for you yourself actually makes it an even better ending. Its trying to provoke a reaction from you, to parallel what you as the character would have undergone in game. If you are willing to accept it because you perfectly understand the greater good, and so have no reaction, then you have fully become one with the law. You basically just admitted that neutral is a bad ending, but that how good the ending itself is isn't what you'd be interested in.

>>153535349
Human nature is hardly perfect. There's no reason not to improve it if it were possible in some surreal fantasy way.

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Post yfw chaosniggers and lawsheep will never get another canon ending in the mainline games.

>>153535574
Why would they be a fedorafag? It sounds more like they're complaining about fedorafags. Since bonds tries to somehow preserve the muh humanity tone even though you are clearly siding with tons of gods.

>>153535637
I only said it was not my idea of a good ending, since as I said, I die in it. I never put any objective judgement on it.

And hey, as Apocalypse revealed my "cowardice" as you put it, ended up being the right call. Since in Law you die for nothing.

>>153533789
>IV has one of the best law endings in the series

>let's go commit genocide on a bunch of people who's biggest crime is living where god didn't like it so much

>>153535349
The only SMT game with a plot worth playing for is DeSu and maybe the Personas. It's an excuse plot.

You transcend humanity, kinda, in that law end.

It's still awful but not for that reason.
>>153535352
Most chaos ends are just FUCK YOU DAD bullshit from people mad God or gods put rules on them.

>>153535863
The stereotypical fedorafag has no faith in humanity. Ironic, given where we are. I've seen anons say whomever pics massacre is an edgelord and/or fedorafag despite massacre being more in tone than the shounen bullshit that is bonds. Both endings have their problems though.

>>153535938
The fact that apocalypse retcons the endings into bad endings based on things that weren't in IVs content is neither here nor there. If an ending doesn't work as advertised its a bad ending no matter what its advertising. The discussion is about the endings in their own context.

>>153535951
Stating that you didn't understand the ending in greentext doesn't make a point appear.

>>153535992
I'm aware it's an excuse plot, and I've played Overclocked and P3, but in the end I still prefer SMT.

>>153535951
Hunters should've banded together and fight the Yakuza instead of spending their demon slaying check at the bar.

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>>153535817
All endings are canon, they just branch off into different universes. For instance, the Neutral ending of SMT leads into SMT2, while the law ending of SMT leads into SMT: 20XX.

Is Inanna law, chaos, or neutral in her compendium data?

>>153536573
>He fell for the all endings are canon meme

Shitposting aside, that isn't how it works.
SMT I, SMT II and 20XX are in the same universe and have a "true path." It's bull but the lore is there.

Nocturne's Amala labyrinth was made purely so people who picked different endings for all of SMT in general didn't get asshurt and would keep buying the games, but in the end, canon is canon.

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>>153535817
I don't think lawfags are very fazed by the available options in IVA. They've already pointed out that massacre "isn't law" in the same way that shijima isn't. You're casually genociding people in exchange for assurance of a greater long term peace than bonds offers, getting rid of your rivals to be able to ensure a single order, and brainwashing anyone you need to to make sure you're all on the same page. Even getting rid of the demons is something that leans more law than chaos, since in most law endings the angels leave or die after getting rid of them, which is ironically what satan does here. And your buddy is satan who is still aligned as law in game no less, implying that the role of a single ruler is still considered a kind of law, especially in conjunction with your ideological presumptions leaning in that direction. If anything, the game calling it neutral just since you're breaking the system is something they like, since its tricking neutrals into taking something that is ultimately slowly making them accustomed to law. The ending is basically a monotheistic counterpoint to the tde. But its more like dark law than light law, which the game justifies calling neutral, since its between the other corners in a sense. But the only real dark is the ambiguity between whether you profess lawful ideology versus having done this for other reasons. It tries to act ambiguous and add to the ambiguity by making you smirk like an asshole, even though for the most part all of its aspects lean law.

>>153537013
My god, a lawfag that isn't a member of the /smtg/ circlejerk and doesn't spout the "law is the only route" meme. I love you.
Can't we all agree that IV's timeline is shit though?

>>153537234
>My god, a lawfag that isn't a member of the /smtg/ circlejerk and doesn't spout the "law is the only route" meme. I love you.

What circlejerk? I don't think most of smtg is very law.

>Can't we all agree that IV's timeline is shit though?

Considering the fact that merkabah and lucifer were definitely not written for IV with IVA satan in mind, that goes without saying.

>>153537424
>What circlejerk? I don't think most of smtg is very law
Read the thread and the previous one from the very beginning. I have no problem with lawfags, just the shitposters, and that's all I ever see here recently.
Inb4
>But that's 4chan in general
Yes but usually there's shitposters from all sides on other threads and boards. We only have lawfags and anti-athiests.

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Recarmdra!

>>153538894
Does anyone unironically use recarmdra? It seems so shitty.

>>153538980
I've heard it's good if you're in a particular pinch.

But me personally? No.

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>>153537719
I'm still not sure what you mean by ""law is the only route" meme". No one thinks its the only route. They think its the best route in most games. Obviously if your only options were neutral and chaos for whatever reason they would still have an opinion on what is better. Even in-game law characters obviously respond better to neutral ones than to chaos ones. Since they see it as at least trying to cover the bases, but not doing it perfectly. Where chaos isn't doing so at all.

>>153539608
What I meant is that if someone dared to say they prefered a different route they would get called either edgelords, fedoras, or (rarely) chuuni. The thing is, that in itself is completely fine, I suppose I'm just more mad at the neutral and chaos fags for not daring to speak up against the "tyrannical lawfags" or whatever.

As for the law characters statement, the same could be said of chaos characters. It's a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Finally, you got any more cosplay?

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>>153540095
The above one was an official atlus costume. This one isn't.

>What I meant is that if someone dared to say they prefered a different route they would get called either edgelords, fedoras, or (rarely) chuuni.

Many of the people you're referring to are trolls, or even neutrals, not lawfags. Real lawfags barely bother shitting on chaos as if it was a serious opponent since they consider it a meme route. They know that the actual thing they are contrasting themself with is neutral. As for the rest, why would they not criticize the route that they think is inferior when in the relevant discussion? Especially when a large portion of neutral realistically are just falling for atlus' bias that more or less exists to obscure what the point of law even is. And some of the posts you're referring to aren't even about law, but just people in general of any alignment questioning neutrals' sometimes bipolar relation with its gods, like happens in bonds.

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>>153540569
>>153540569

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>>153540732
This is the last one.

>>153540496
As I said, the shitposting and arguing itself is fine. I just hate that chaos and neutral lack any backbone.
Hell, when was the last time you saw a genuine neutral or chaos shitpost? Please tell me. Your point on the atlus bias is spot on though, even as a neutral. The bipolarism can be argued as humanity looking for the best possible outcome without complete angel or demon dominance.

I suppose every ideology has its weakest links doesn't it?
Nice cosplay so far btw.

>>153540838
Just ignore the "so far" part please.

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>>153540838
>Hell, when was the last time you saw a genuine neutral or chaos shitpost?

There aren't many since alignment discussions are not common anymore. The time to see those was early 2015.

Besides. They lack backbone for a reason. And its because lone stragglers and shitposts aside its because they know they are fighting a fight they can't win.

>>153540838
>or chaos shitpost?
Pretty much whenever DeSu OC is mentioned Naoya shitposters swarm from the sewers

>>153541298
It's like everything I like that isn't vidya is destined to fail.
>Besides. They lack backbone for a reason. And its because lone stragglers and shitposts aside its because they know they are fighting a fight they can't win.
I wonder if that's because n/c's are pussies, they suck at debating, or because law are thickheaded. Considering the fact it's 4chan I'm going to believe all 3. But tell me this: when did law become popular?
>>153541673
Fair enough.

>>153541673
Yeah, that is a good point. They bend over backwards to ignore that naoya's eighth day has more or less zero content relative to amane's.

>>153541673
That's because Naoya is really the only "Chaos" ending people can defend, because you don't radically change society in it.

>>153541761
You do if you choose to kill people. If you choose not to it barely even counts as chaos.

>>153541673
>>153541716
Honestly, the only reason I picked that route was because the characters annoyed the shit out of me with their "be a good goy and help us despite that we were dicks to you" and I heard you could kill them. Could honestly give a shit less about bels.

>>153541693
>when did law become popular?

Surely you've heard the legend of the bead.

>>153542259
No sir.

>>153542309
Where have you been. No one on smtg or rmegaten has not heard of the bead.

>>153542447
/v/, /a/, and regretfully /b/. Occasionally gamefaqs.

>>153542518
And /h/ too.

>>153538980
I've probably had like one or two moments in my entire time playing the franchise where it was useful. Otherwise yeah it's kinda shitty.

Speaking of /v/ it's getting """"""""raided"""""" right now. If you're bored or something go check it out

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>>153542518
Well, to tell you the full story, two years ago a random post on smtg talked about how they planned on eventually spending a ton of money to build an altar to law in their house. People assumed it was some kind of meme, so it got half ignored at the time. But then the same person talked later about how they spent a ton of money on buddhist prayer beads after seeing hikawa wear them and now they wear them out everywhere. and they showed pics to confirm. So people started calling this person the bead man. Then out of nowhere, tons of alignment discussions started on smtg when before then they more or less had never happened. And people eventually realized that bead man was behind almost all of them. And also tons of posts about random topics some of which were only tenuously related to megaten, or fifty page philosophy study guides that he apparently wrote himself (?). He also talked about how he began spending hundreds of dollars on books about anything philosophy related in megaten. Due to associating him with beads, people started making anal bead jokes, and then he showed a pic showing that he also had anal beads.

So basically he pioneered the art of lawposting. And over time he migrated from here to rmegaten. (I think he comes here from time to time, still but not as often?) And became known especially there, but also here as someone who more or less never lost debates. And framed law in a context that actually made most people begrudgingly admit that they now saw the point with it even though they didn't like it. For awhile here this led to neutral shitposting since they tried to just drown out the debates. And there were a few people here who acted like his followers. He's still on rmegaten where he's written like hundreds of pages for their wiki about the philosophy of megaten.

Also, he's associated with this picture for whatever reason, but I don't remember why. I think its a picture of him?

>>153543449
I don't know what to feel right now, besides wanting to kek. Did Atlus ever acknowledge him?

>>153543604
I doubt it. He's probably talked to the atlus representative that posts on rmegaten before, but so have most other people who post there.

>>153543604
Also, he used to constantly shitpost about how he wants to fuck haniel, and how you become more lawful by putting things (like beads) up your butt. I'm not even joking.

>>153543746
The joke about wanting to fuck a demon didn't originate with him though. He was parodying another shitposter at the time. Who shitposted about wanting to fuck the girl from demikids.

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>>153543746
>My sides
So this..... is the power...... of law heroes.........

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I want to fuck Mirai

>>153543449
His debates were him copypasting his or someone else's theology studies thesis and eventually him having a shameless and self-aware monologue.

Debating a thesis is nice and all, but if you wanna post in here you should ground your arguments in the context of these games, and not drown your opponent's arguments in 20 pages of off-topic readings.

Beadman is nothing but a shitposter.
If I felt like it I could copypaste a borderline on-topic wikipedia article related to one of the many religions and beliefs that megaten is inspired from, and say that I win all my arguments too.

>>153544396
Butthurt neutralfag detected.

Not >>153544396 but fuck it, if that's the case I'm going to read some Dawkins and copy paste that shit. Neutral will be the new meme.

>>153544396
> ground your arguments in the context of these games

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Not counting when he was deliberately shitposting, it was pretty obvious that he knew a lot more about what the games were going for than the people who tried arguing against him. Which is why megaten fans still read his hundreds of pages of writing about the themes.

>someone else's theology studies thesis

>drown your opponent's arguments in 20 pages of off-topic readings.

You're confusing the times he was talking about random things with the debates. He did make a lot of tenuously related to megaten posts, but not when actually talking about alignments.

>>153544540
>Dawkins
You can find better humanitarian thinkers than that anon.

>>153541693
Law in SMT IV is pretty much the best possible outcome for that world, and I say this as someone who generally leans to the neutral alignment.

Chaos is turning Mikado into a hellhole where you are king.
The White is turning everything to nothing, so that there is no more strife.

Neutral is giving everyone a fair chance of living by taking down the dome and trying to improve society as the hero of Tokyo with the guidance of the true reincarnated goddess©.
Whatever happens from here is open to interpretation and whatever the player personally decides to think of it. As a bare minimum you could say that society got used to the demons presence and it will readjust as well as it can until something shits the fan some decades or centuries later, and a new order needs to be established once again (even if it ends up as a another sort of neutral world).
And finally we have Apocalypse's paths, which are a giant beast of their own.

Law is removing the major source of demons and corruption, cleaning up Mikado, and allowing society to live in an innocent world where they are relatively free to live as they please. Even if this means keeping them in ignorance.

>>153544635
Also, trying to interpret the games and sides as just about religion and atheism is like the laziest interpretation ever.

>>153544645
The only flaw in your argument is that it's the SMT IV timeline nigga. If this post was about literally any other game and you'd have more than a point.

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>>153544680
Yeah, I believe it was even stated in an interview once that the mythological elements are more of a way to incorporate philosophy into a game while still keeping things interesting. It's not really about religions, it's about the principles behind them.

>>153544396
This is the type of post people are referring to when they say that people are butthurt by the way. Your post reads like someone who is bitter that they can't keep up with someone else, and so is making an excuse for it.

>>153544929
Obviously it touches on religions too. But the fact that the frameworks of the sides obviously heavily are based on other things makes it pretty obvious that it goes beyond that. For instance, even though IVA unfortunately turns them into bad endings, using the peace and anarchy logos for law and chaos is meant to more explicitly relate them to other types of real world ideologies. Ones distinct from religion. Not that the type of people who tend to use peace signs resemble law very much, but even so.

So is Apocalypse good or bad? As much as I like SMT, SMT4 is kind of a drag for me to finish.

>>153546682
Most of us here have not even played it man. Maybe in about 2 months we'll be able to answer your question, but for now there is no definite answer.

>>153544598
>Which is why megaten fans still read his hundreds of pages of writing about the themes.
Hi Beadman!

Seriously though. Maybe I missed the times where he actually mentioned and discussed about the characters and events from the games (believe me, I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt at first) but I always saw his rants as him monologuing about the latest wiki article he read while attaching random religious pictures or Kaneko portraits.

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Why is this general dead when a new game is out soon?

>>153538980
recarmdra is really good in DDS. Definitely a must have for fighting Demi-fiend.

>>153490170
Same here, I have hardly had time to post and my dad just got laid off so I'm gonna have to be working too.

>>153554667
dousheeho

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>>153554905

>>153555283
Holy shit I thought I made that up just then

Guys I just found a copy of DeSu OC, is it worth 30 bucks? I played 2 and thought it was alright.

>>153555391
2 is better imo but some people here prefer 1 more

Both games are worth $40 at least to me, so yes you should buy it

Although why exactly didn't you like 2? You might not want to buy 1 depending on your answer

>>153556432
>why exactly didn't you like 2?
But I did like 2. I could just wait for the game to go on sale but I like physical copies.

>>153556610
Oh, usually when people say "alright" it sounds like there's some issue they had with it

Well if you liked 2 you might like 1, 1 feels like a downgrade though in literally every aspect except the plot (although the plot doesn't pick up until day 4)

IV Final will release on Europe in Winter. This direct has been a big piece of shit so far.

>>153558624
Well that was fucking awful.

>>153522516
Kinda late but, you don't, ever.
Unless you got the skill DLC probably, idk about that

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>19 days

Can I plow through the 3 routes of SMT IV before Final comes out?

>>153559862

First route will take some time due to general level/difficulty curve, but if your progress into NG+, you can bum rush a route in maybe a day or two.

>>153559862
Yes but you might burn yourself out. Go White first to make it easier.

>>153560156
>>153560165
I should have mentioned I did the White already.

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Show yourself so we can all laugh at you, faggot.

Hoy.

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>>153563992
I'll show you a Hoy

>>153560425
Nice shop.

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How do i beat this fucker in SJ? Asura Roga always rages my entire party and i cant seem to find any demons with good ice based moves (i only have the ice gun that doesn't do much damage) any tips or should i just grind?

>>153565335
1) Retry until RNG will be in your favor.
2) Try going solo. That's what anons usually recommend.

>>153565335
Read the description for guard.

>>153565335
Buy better equipment and then fight him solo him like a man.

>>153565965
Goddamn it

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She is so hot but this pose is beyond ridiculous.

>>153567736
Yasuda's shit in general is ridiculous.

>>153567736
She is female Yamato, of course she is hot. As for that pose, well, I think it's meant to make her look like an agitated cat. The hands in the coat kinda look like paws.

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>>153564609

>>153570672
Not even that anon, I'm just kidding.
Your skin is pretty cool looking though, do you mind sharing your custom CSS?

>>153572898
I'm not >>153560425 though

Are you happy for Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse?

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>>153573387

Yes

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>>153567736
Vixen indeed

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>>153573387
Of course.

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Out of the SMT games you've played, how would you rank them?

DeSu2 RB > SMT4 > P4 > P3 FES > DDS1 > DeSu1 OC

>>153573387
Yes.

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>>153573387
yes. my body is ready

>>153574118
>SMT IV that high
DS: Soul hackers> Raidou Kuzunoha> SMT III= SMT II> P3P> P2:IS & EP> SMT SJ> P1

>team flare are literally messians
>want to build a world where only the chosen are left
>everyone else dies
>ash and his pokemon get crucified on top of a tower like in Persona 3

My dick wants more.

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>>153574118
Nocturne > SMT = SMT II > P2:EP = P2:IS = SMT: SJ = P1 > P3FES >>>>>> P4

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>>153574118
Megami Ibunroku Persona>Nocturne>P3 FES>SMT 2>Eternal Punishment>SMT>DeSu>DDS2>SJ>KMT2>Innocent Sin>DDS>DeSu2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>P4

It's kinda hard to rank games of different series like that, as I like them for different reasons. I also think all of those are good games on their own right, even P4, which I don't like.

>>153575396
>>153576806
Pics made me kek. Speaking of Lovecraft, I have a book of all of the stories he wrote. What stories are P1 and 2 similar to?

>>153577204
You need to read the whole saga of Randolph Carter, the Mountain of Madness, the Shadow over Insmouth, and Cthulu.

The Randolph Carter trilogy in particular will give you all you need to know about the Lovecraft mythos.

>>153577816
I've already read the first part of Randolph Carter (amongst other stories, the original plan was to read it all in release date), is it true he becomes more unreliable as the story unfolds?

>>153578390
You mean Randolph Carter?
Nah, he just becomes more experienced in the ways in the world, thus, more wise but jaded.

>>153578848
That's what I get for trusting tv tropes.

Is it normal to have a demon bail on you 6 times in a row
I just want fusion fodder for elementals damnit

>>153574118
DeSu OC > P3FES > Nocturne > DeSu 2 RB > P2 IS > P4G

Midway through SMTIV now, so can't really put it anywhere

>>153579774
Yes.

>>153579774
see
>>153535128

Sorry if this has been asked a million times already but do you need SMTIV installed on your 3DS to get the bonuses or is the save file enough?

>>153580242
Does SMT IV allow you to save on the sd card?

>>153579909
>>153580047

So I'm not just being shit at talking then? Cool

>>153580779
I believe the digital version does

>>153581930
Well yeah I'm sure that goes without saying. But does physical?

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>>153574118
DDS1 = IV > DeSu OC > SMT: Strange Journey > Nocturne > P1 > DDS2 > PQ > SMT I > P3 > DS: Soul Hackers > P2:IS >>>>>>>>> P2:EP > DeSu 2 > P4

>>153582928
What do you have against EP?

>>153579042
I hope you didn't spoil yourself too much.

I did that and I really wish I didn't.

>>153582443
No. Apocalypse does though.

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So I think I'm halfway through the first SMT on the Super Famicom, thinking of ditching it in favor of one of the other versions. Should I, or is it pointless at this point?

>>153584519
Nothing else is translated unless you want to play the GBA version on iOS with a touch overlay

>>153584712
I know moon.

>>153584950
Play the PS1 version then.

What is the "Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo" of megaten games?

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I'm level 58-62 in DDS1, am I ready for the final boss? I want to finish the game soon so I can move on to the next game especially because I'll go back to college this Monday. I have to grind a little for some mantra/skills so I can have more than one character who can use debilitate, dekaja and dekunda.

>>153587234
Last Bible

>>153588437
Having resist for whatever your main party is weak to is an absolute most.

Also having the physical skill that autocast Debilitate is very important, as well as a mage with a good almighty skill.

>>153539608
>>153540496
Hello beadman

>>153589278
I don't have almighty skills yet, but I have the skills that make everyone resist their weakness except for Heat, although I just have to make him fight a bit more and he'll have resist ice. Which physical skill are you talking about? And I thought the final boss resists almighty attacks?

>>153589685
Pro-tip:
The final boss is not inmune to Hunt skills

Pro-tip 2:
There are secret mantras and secret post-game bosses. You will want your physical user to have THAT one hunt skill that also casts debilitate.

>>153587234
>>153588640
Is that an insult or compliment? I've never watched the rebuilds.

>>153590212
I wanted to beat the optional bosses later but I'll try to beat them if I have enough free time.

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Time to settle this

Which SMT IV has the better Tokyo theme?

SMT IV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc
Apocalypse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG22JL4RRTI

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>>153583015
Dunno. Kinda just felt "unneeded", I guess? Not that the game was bad itself. The story was alright, IS was better in that regard but I really liked the characters though. Baofu was cool as fuck.

>>153590612
Depends on what you're looking for. If you want meditation, you go to IV. If you want nostalgia you go to Apocalypse.
>>153591628
So every P4 spinoff ever? Not that I think you're wrong.

>>153590612
Apocalypse's theme gives me greater feels.

IV is still fantastic, but the Tokyo theme of IV:A really clicked with me.

>>153590361
It's an interesting idea that no one really wanted or asked for but isn't really a negative experience.

Hoy

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>>153591856
>So every P4 spinoff ever?
The problem with the P4 spin-offs isn't that they're "uneeded", is that they are shitty pieces of games. I refuse to even put those in the my game ranking. DAN was horrible literally rhythm game with remixes that were almost all worse than the original musics and the Arena games were average fighters with probably the most boring and shitty story I've played. Labrys was cool though. The only good thing out of those games. Ironically, the Arena games have better music and remixes than the fucking rhythm game. Go figure.

PQ also had a meh story but at least the gameplay was pretty great.

>>153596062
>PQ also had a meh story but at least the gameplay was pretty great.
That's because it's etrian odyssey gameplay. You have to actively try to fuck that up.
>The problem with the P4 spin-offs isn't that they're "uneeded", is that they are shitty pieces of games.
Got me there. I still ironically liked mochizuki, and I unironically liked his fighting styles.

Any of y'all have experience with the Japanese games market and importing? I'm wanting to import P5 but at $82.99 it's a bit much for me right now. How long will it take for that to drop?

>>153596578
Don't they usually tell you how long it would take to import? Are you planning on spoiling P5 too?

Are any of the Polytheistic Alliance members who are sympathetic? I feel like Final dropped the ball on having a side plot focused on them.

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>>153596551
The Arena games are pretty fun though. I won't deny that. And the games themselves are polished as fuck. Everything looks shiny and stylish without going overboard like in P5.

>>153596810

Not sure what you mean. I'm asking how long until I can get it for cheaper. Let's say $60.

I don't want to spoil, I just want to play it as soon as I can.

>>153597047
>He plays games to have fun
Insert smug animu girl here.
But seriously, I think the arena games are nice couch and arcade games. I would just rather they didn't blueball us on nyarly.

>>153597262
Depends. Some games dip in half after one month or even less. I doubt Persona will be like that though.

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>>153597402
Games are supposed top be fun, anon.

>I would just rather they didn't blueball us on nyarly.
I'm still mad.

>>153597402
No way there were going to bring him back in a spin off. He's to important for that.

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>>153597804
Unfortunately, the ending of Arena made everyone flip their shit that Nyarly was going to show up/be the main antagonist in the sequel. I still remember some anons here getting buttblasted about it.

>>153597804
Ok sure but why would you spend so much effort on making a demon with the same personality as nyarly? Do they unironically believe persona started at 3?

>>153597403

How about the used market?

>>153540838
>>153541298
Because SMT writing is too awful to inspire an honest debate where it is open to debate, or in stuff like DeSu in Catherine where the world building isn't done by retards, the choices and their implications are obvious.

>>153598420
I'm not used to check/buy used games from Japan but it really depends on the game. If it bombs, the next week it can drop like 80% of the price, if it sells well or is from a known series, it won't go down that quick. Honestly, I'd say give it around 1 month and half for the price to go down.

>>153599169

Makes sense. Gives me a bit more time to hone my Japanese which is good.

>>153546682
I have heard that the combat is vastly improved and that the final dungeon is a tedious boring overlong teleport maze.

>>153599362
>hone my Japanese
Godspeed anon.

>>153598129
I'm guessing fanservice or something like that. I admit I was pretty disappointed to learn that Nyarly isn't in p4 arena and ultimax but still, he shouldn't come back in a spin off.

Also, since the story of p3 is very similar to the Snow Queen Quest in p1, I wouldn't be surprised if Atlus actually think most people don't give a shit about p1 and p2.

>>153599789

I've started working through P2IS in Japanese since I haven't played it yet. It's going slowly but once I finish Raidou 2 I'll be able to focus fully on IS. Maybe I'll even be able to play EP before I pick up P5.

>>153574118
DeSu1 OC > DeSu2 RB > P4 > PQ > Soul Hackers > SMT4

>>153574118
Overclocked > Tokyo Mirage Sessions > Record Breaker > Persona 4 > SMT4

>>153579774
SMT4 is pretty much random chance shit all the way down. Embrace the randomness.

>>153596062
P4DAN's second half and the post ending sendoff to the P4 dudes is great but yeah the music is incredibly weak. How do you fuck up the soundtrack to a Persona game?

I have nothing bad to say about PQ's story except maybe all the MEAT MEAT MEAT.

>>153596551
>That's because it's etrian odyssey gameplay. You have to actively try to fuck that up.
muh nigga

>>153590612
>There's no way 4A has a better map theme than 4
>Holy shit

>>153601373
What's your EO team?

>>153601551
Dancer/Medic. Nightseeker/Arcanist, Imperial/Runemaster
Runemaster/Medic, Arcanist/Medic

It was my first. Not ideal, but they still kicked ass.

>>153601892
Pretty great for a first team. Mine was Medic, Landsknecht, Dark Hunter, Hexer and the Survivalist. I didn't like mixing classes, for roleplaying purposes, which made the game harder but also more fun for me.

>>153602485
well, subclassing was only in EO3 and 4 anyway,

>>153602808
My first game in the series was untold. I didn't care for story mode but classic was great.

>>153602945
Untold ripped me a new one. I beat it, barely. Fortress, Dark Hunter, Hexer, Survivalist, Alchemist. I didn't stand a chance in the post game though but Claret Hollows is apparently Japanese for "repeated unending kicks to the nuts."

I couldn't stand the story for EO1U, but EO2U's story is a lot less annoying. There I ran the story party but I'm doing a second run as Highlander, Troubadour, Dark Hunter, Hexer, Gunner

>>153603196
Hard mode or normal? Because when I first got the game I played it on normal, then my copy got lost somewhere and just recently got a new copy. I plan on doing hard mode, what changes?

>>153603564
Hard Mode.

Hard Mode is essentially how EO is meant to be played. As far as I know, it matches the classic difficulty of the previous games and anything lower is a nerf on enemy stats and damage.

>>153603808
>Hard Mode is essentially how EO is meant to be played
A patrician I see.
>As far as I know, it matches the classic difficulty of the previous games and anything lower is a nerf on enemy stats and damage.
Thanks for the info. I assume when you say "anything lower" you mean level right?

>>153604268
To be fair, half the reason I like EO is that the mechanics are deep enough to really carry that difficulty. In SMT4 if you crank the difficulty up it's just a crapshoot whether you die in one hit or the boss just uses Attack for the three turns it stays alive.

In EO, you got enough options to really function at that high level. It's tough, and yes, getting jumped can still wipe, but it's a clever and fair series.

There's no way you can say Master is the way SMT4 was meant to be played with the lol shop prices and 0% run chance lol.

Plus, we have four games before that that didn't have a difficulty toggle and played at the same level as hardest.

Again, not trying to sound like a faggot, just explaining the reasoning why "meant to" actually means something here.

Yeah, by lower I mean lower difficulty level. I don't think there's any new scenarios or significant AI changes (In EO2U, almost every boss has a pattern that usually has static actions for about 3/5ths of most bosses turns, so I don't think AI changes are at all considered by EO difficulty toggles.). I think you can toggle them on the fly in town anyway so it can't be anything other than a straight modifier.

>>153604884
This post makes me want Atlus to give Etrian Odyssey more love.

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>>153600801

>>153574118
Nocturne > DDSaga1&2 > Raidou1&2 > Debisama > Spiral Nemesis > Majin Tensei > Giten > SMT > KMT > SMT2 > SJ > SMT If

>>153605852
SMT If... is translated? Got any download links?

>>153590612
SMT4 is very relaxing, I feel like I want to lie down

Apocalypse is very emotional, I feel like I have purpose

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>>153605852
I've played the original Japanese versions (SFC & PS). Check out SMT If tips and tricks pastebin in the OP. There's a gamefaqs link where you can find most of the translated script.

>>153607290
Meant for
>>153606526

>>153607290
Thanks
>>153607515
I knew from the context but thanks anyway.

>>153574118
Nocturne>DDS1>IV>SJ>Desu1>Desu2>P4>P3

>>153516056
Angels are always around, will always pose a danger especially when there's no God on high telling them what to do, and are STILL DEMONS.

Not to mention the inevitable DEMONS RETURNING just like they show with Mikado and the Demonic Gene.

>>153516056
Angels only fuck off in II and in IV killed themself because they were part filth thanks to Jonathan.

>>153577204
None of them.

In Raidou 2, if I go into NG+ having unlocked a demon but not fused them, can I fuse them in the NG+ or do I have to unlock them again? Not sure whether I should do much pre-NG+ prep or if I can just go on ahead.

>>153577204
>>153611337
To expand, the cosmic horror genre isn't really very much like megaten. The implication is that you are ultimately fucked, you can't really reason with, or stop these entities at all, and your only hope is to not have them totally decimate earth before you die.

>>153611791
Your first problem was playing raidou 2.

>>153517815
Satan joined because he thought it was a better alternative than YHVH. He knows he'll die with YHVH. Also some players found YHVH easier when Flynn and Satan weren't wasting turns.

>>153518420
Satan's been chaos in Majin Tensei II where he represents Dark-Law you fucking retard. Not to mention Dark evil demon in Megami Tensei II, Tyrant originally in DDS 2 when fought in the sun. and Tyrant in Majin Tensei where he serves God.

Uriel who is Light-Law isn't serving YHVH no more in Majin Tensei and can even convinced the Archangels to turn on Satan

>>153611828
That's what happens to Tatsuya & Co. Hell there's a shitposting image where it says "you are not alone" then shows Tatsuya.
The rest of Persona and SMT you are right though.

>>153529356
Nothing because Lucy is just a cheap puppet in IVA and half of Satan setting up bad Law of social darwinism to YHVHs Good Law.

Nocturne Lucy is a different guy and his champion made in his image can kill Japanese YHVH.

>>153530256
Majin Tensei Light-Chaos
TDE and Freedom (Only good chaos endings of six fucking chaos endings)
Raidou 2
Naoya both days
Devil Children in general
And SMT2

>>153612380
>tde
>good

>having to include raidou, where the endings are more or less identical.

>including devil children

>>153612554
The Law ending gets you jack shit, while Chaos and Neutral give you better stuff.

The Chaos/Neutrals endings are nearly the same because the Chaos Hero ALWAYS lives while Law Hero Akane supports insane conformity and bug rape so she lives on Law when she decides to change things like her brother would.

Lucifer also sucks off Raidous dick SO GODDAMN MUCH. Raidou can kill YHVH for good according to the cocksucker who wants to be the M to Raidou's S.

>>153612554
Technically the goal of TDE is to end the cycle of suffering in a genocidal sort of way. Don't know about raidou endings, and Devil Children is a kids game, so of course it's going to have nothing but positive endings.

>>153612554
Devil Children are chaos for life. It's in their genes. TDE was better than the chaotic Reasons and the you suck Demon ending.

>>153611940

Raidou 2 is great though, what are you talking about?

>>153613196
He's just mad it wasn't turn based.

>>153613117
That's wrong anon the first two games had Archangel Michael and the Heavenly Host do the White ending.

The Angels did destroy the universe before it was cool.

>>153613332
This is the type of thing we should have had in mainline. It would be a cool twist. Imagine an awesome end level that combined heaven with some type of oblivion theme.

>>153613332
But TDE wants to destroy ALL the universes, spinoffs and all. Which would place Nocturne at the end of the series.