/agdg/ - Amateur Game Dev General

>>153430141
Controls suck

>>153430003
>he claims ive been milking it for over a year.
Have you been working on anything else new over the past year that you've been showing anyone? And don't you dare mention that rock paper scissors game you shit. That's not new or interesting.

so this.......s the power..........of....rust

>>153429951
Real lewd jam:
https://itch.io/jam/agdg-lewd-jam

>>153430141
thumbs suck

real discord here:
https://discordapp.com/invite/chquY2e

>rotate ruined discord for agdg so it's not linked in OP anymore
What a great person.

>>153430425
>>153430537
just fuck off and stop trying to shill your putrid neo-steamchat you menstrual chunks

help me regain my motivation, /agdg/

there are so many discords going around i can't even tell if i'm joining a real one or a shitposting bait one

>>153430425
>real
you say this like there's a fake discord

the rotate discord was deleted
disappointing because I liked her's better

>>153430672
>still mentions eroge
>no sign of it's existence

why you blueballing me googs?

>>153430246

Who says that's the real lewd jam? I don't remember /agdg/ making it.

>>153430681
Whichever has the most users is the real one. There's been like a dozen others posted ever since rotate started his "kill discord for not liking me" campaign. Very similar to when he tried to make agdg2 during his "kill agdg for not liking me" campaign.

>>153430668
Come up with a reward system for yourself for whenever you work on your game
Also get some exercise even if it's just taking walks.

>>153430729
you have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh

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who /demodaydev/ here?

>>153430814
/agdg/ did actually make it not too long ago. The one in the OP has nothing to do with /agdg/ any longer.

>>153430882
Yeah and you calling your own GUI grandpa game a "spiritual successor" to your other GUI grandpa game isn't desperate at all.

>>153430668
Make a little progress, if that doesn't motivate you then join the apostate followers of Disciplano

>>153431005
>/agdg/ did actually make it not too long ago

Archive?

>>153430141
Extremely saturated marketplace
Much more casual audience
Very limiting control scheme
Need for proper optimization multiplied tenfold

>>153430681
>real one
>shitposting one
pick two

>>153431009
Haven't you heard? Gogem is like a 1 man Nintendo. His established brand is legendary.

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Ok so, I tried changing the shading on it to look better. I changed to a higher contrast three tone shading. The current one is on the left, the old on the right. Though I've gotten some more advice on how to improve it. So, version 9 incoming.

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Let's make the lewd jam the best agdg jam ever!

https://itch.io/jam/lewd-jam-2016
https://itch.io/jam/lewd-jam-2016
https://itch.io/jam/lewd-jam-2016

>>153430846
I walk a lot thanks to uni and I do table tennis and birdwatching every two days, one motivation i can think of is the indie show off thing on October

>>153431063
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/153031235/#153086990

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>>153430793
He's deathly afraid of us finally confirming that the newground games are his. As if we haven't already.

>>153430897
whens demo day

>>153431181
Stop shilling your non-agdg jam, please.

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>>153430897
good taste in candy but shit taste in soda
orange soda is where it's at, pic related

is there any competition for direct x 12? maybe something that would allow easy cross platform...something that will work with Unity

>>153430897
that packet of starburst has enough sugar for about a week and enough energy for 2 days (something like 4000 calories)

you're literally killing yourself when you eat that shit. please learn about healthy diet and nutrition and help yourself

>>153431530
Vulkan?

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>>153431530
There is one.

Which I will start deving with as soon as I get the drivers and shit set up. Hope my gpu is supported

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Today all I've done is tracked down a bug that was created a deleted actor instantly when playing as a standalone executable. An Epic employee asked me to send him a project and in getting it ready, I found out that if you don't have a Player Start actor in your scene, it will automatically create/delete one somehow and it won't get garbage collected. So I'm assuming that's a bug, but possibly I'm just not understanding how something works.

Yesterday I added a way to view the controls and I added a slider for motion blur since everyone complains about it in my webms since it looks bad with low framerate.

>>153431364
What the fuck is this? did he actually make this? link the URL for everyone to see this shit

>>153431471
hey dirk

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>>153431364
He's happy to admit that he makes "eroge" games but he has a disorder where he can't agree with people or allow them to be right. So when agdg discovered his newgrounds "erotic games" his mental disorder clicked and he decided he would lie forever about having made those games because admitting that agdg found something of his is too much for him to handle. Even though he could just use it as further resume material and proof that he's an eroge dev it's too late, because that would mean admitting that agdg was right, which he considers to be as bad as losing an argument. He has issues.

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>>153431471
i think i have a crush

hello i'm trying to make a game but i'm not artistic or musical, are there any creative anons who do those things here? i don't want to use public free stuff

>>153431658
>>153431364
you goofed your names

>>153431630
>>153431632
hm alright i'll try that, time to program me up some games

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>>153431680

>>153431661
That's really all there is to say on the matter.

this is some quality /agdg/ right here

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>>153431661
Idk who dirk is but I think you have me mistaken for someone else

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>>153431818
Final bit of evidence. If you want more just play the games. It is gogem incarnate

>tries too hard to be artistic and witty instead of erotic
>blocky meme style drawn characters are stupid instead of sexy
>controls are absolute shit like all of his games which is why he moved to making GUI games
etc. etc.

>>153431789
>using vulkan/dx12
>make game
Pick one and only one m8, it'll be a while before you even properly see a triangle on screen.

>>153431971
I wonder if anyone's actually fapped to these

amateur diabetes dev general

>>153431846
You speak the truth. We've got memes, namefags and progress posts all happening at once. Savor it friends. Daytime agdg has nothing on this.

I HAVE AN IDEAAAA! YEEES! YEEEES!

After 6 months of brainstorming, I have an idea!!!

How do I proceed from here?
Do I make a Twitter, Steam, Reddit?

How do I get my work protected? Is copyrighting, trademaking expensive?

>>153431971
>flash
>gogem art
There's absolutely 0 chance it could be anyone but him.

>>153432001
oh...okay...well i will just program me some games then

>>153430897
>pepsi with candy
what the fuck mate

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>>153431148
And version 9. I fixed the shading on the hat, so instead of banding it now looks like it had folds! So version 7, 8, 9 in this image. Version 7 being the rightmost, 9 the leftmost. I think it's improving at least.

>>153431625
>something like 4000 calories
Anon you can't fool me I have the package in front of me, its only 840 calories. Besides it makes me happy, and got me out of the house this week

Vidyadev related: moving things over to static events is so much easier than how it was before

>>153432139
Funny right?
The purple outlines alone seal the deal. Yes anime uses purple/blue outlines but cmon... he's just impersonating them as always in a way no other western person does. Googum made these games.

I've considered that he's just hoping this "mystery" will add controversy and increase his appeal but for me personally I can't respect someone who denies their own work. He's ashamed that he drew boxy panty-clad vaginas for newgrounds views back in the day. There is no mystery. His current "eroge" is probaby equally as autistic.

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>>153432564
>its only 840 calories

>>153432117
>After 6 months of brainstorming, I have an idea!!!
Fuck it must be one hell of an idea if thats true.
I come up with at least 3 serious ideas a month, no time to do any of them though

SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME

>>153432641
that's not a lot for a grown man

>>153432815
THAT I HAD A GIRLFRIEND

>>153432815
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>>153432538
>floppy hat
CUTE

>>153432564
>makes me happy
hahhhh get a load of this guy

>>153432815
NODEVS ARE GONNA TROLL ME

you know what makes me happy?
hard work and guts
lets go we're devving

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lol saw this when I moused over...

>>153433103
>too tired to dev
>not tired enough to fall asleep

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>>153433083
I AIN'T THE SHARPEST DOGPOSTING DEV

>>153433103
quick post that jaggy bitch again

>that feel when oneday /agdg/ will hate me if i make too much progress

>>153433083
I AINT THE ONLY GUY WITH NO GGGAAAMMEE

Time for situps

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I think I got a handle on the timer and the game loop. It draws every 1/60th of a second, but the game logic updates by delta time. The game loop is a while loop, which honestly feels dirty, but I don't think there's another way that is platform-independant.

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>>153433261
Keep going! Never stop! Ever forward! There is a reason man's dicks point forward, they always point towards tomorrow!

>>153433572
>DOS
For what purpose man

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progress
I optimized the missiles, now I can have hundreds of them without the game becoming a slideshow. I mostly slimmed down the start function, so the instantiation is less performance heavy and then changed the explosion effect for something far more simple.

Also added a shitty score at the top of the screen, you get 10 points per second, 100 for every kill and a score multiplier that's 1/100 of your kill count

>that feel when every time you post people will bring the same thing up (that isn't going to change)
>that feel when they're not even the same person

>>153433681
For fun I guess. I wanted to make a pixel game so I might as well do it under real constraints.

>>153433801
change it bruh

>>153433890
>real

>>153433572
This made me deeply uncomfortable and I don't know why.

>>153432139
he's actually got some good games. check em' out.

http://onehandgames.newgrounds.com/games/

>>153434408
Is it the floating person
I'll take that out next time

>>153434408
People aren't supposed to hover like that

>>153434523
>>153434585
It's strange. Just looking at it, even a second time, fills me with essential dread. Fuck I'm getting sick to my stomach. I'm not sure if it's the subject matter or something visually is fucking with me.

I read the discord/op sticky thing but I still have no clue where to start. I want to learn coding so I figure, why not develop a simple little game while I'm learning. Now people have told me to learn C to C# to C++, others say I can just start at any language, which is a more preferred method if any of you have experience? What engine should I use in this regard? Just going to try my hand at a simple sprite action game.

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>>153435057
Ask AGDG what the best language/tool is.

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How do you stop getting distracted by other things than gamedeving ?

It's like there's always a game to finish, a manga to read, an anime to start, a show to finish, a penis to masturbate, ...

How do you keep yourself from procrastinating and doing shit.

>>153435261
Nothing brings me joy now. So if I hate everything might as well be productive.

>>153435046
I-i'll take the floating person out anon

taking 3d requests for practice

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>>153431971
I found some foreshadowing to restricted RPS.

>>153435057

>simple sprite action game

Start with Gamemaker. That's the fastest way to get a 2D game. They have lots of tutorials, and an active community. Many people here use GM so it'll be easier for you to get answers. It's not the best framework for everything, but it's beginner friendly.

>>153435261
Building discipline (which is a knowledge problem not a willpower problem).

>>153435501
That puzzle is some bullshit. Did you get past it?

>>153431680
Is his eroge a fucking touch typing trainer? That's beyond potato

>>153435227
>>153435503
I don't want the "best" per say, I want one that's more failure proof and would benefit me the most in the long run since I want to get a job as a software engineer or something along those lines. This is why I don't want to start on gamemaker but like I said, I hear making something like a simple game while learning coding is a good way to stay on track and actually entertained with it.

>>153435046
This. Feels like the kind of stuff that spawns pasta that would be posted and reposted for ever on /x/

>>153435664
That's just the tutorial screen, friend.

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>>153435261
throw your phone in a box
only use agdg to post progress
only watch shows when you are eating
speed fap
eat healthy
drink half your weight in water converted to ounces
avoid caffine

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>>153435501
t-totally not gogem, see?

>>153435501
Here he's using the paint tool, the objectively better Flash drawing tool.
>>153435893
Here he's using the pencil tool with smoothing. The objectively 'just fuck my shit up' tool.

Both gogem though.

Current leading theories:
>they both use Arial fonts!
>they both use colored outlines!
>they both draw hands!
>>>/pol/

>>153435686

If you want to go the more career route, you should go with Unity and C#. Unity is number one when it comes to games industry jobs.

>>153436142
http://gogem.pro/tagged/animation

Why do you still argue on the matter? I already explained why >>153431680

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Tonight I am keeping it simple and adding some ambient sounds. I've got some oinking sounds for the pigs. Mostly I'm just doing this for later when I add water sounds, fire sounds, etc. I've got an ambient sound blueprint set up which registers each sound with my sound manager, so that when an audio slider changes value, it updates all ambient sounds in the level. It already did this with music, so I just had to update it.

>>153435469
Christ man I watched it a third time and actually had to go vomit. Post it without the guy in it and lets see what happens.

>>153435728
Yeah. Jesus christ. This would make a great horror game.

>>153436142
You've kept this meme going long enough, there's no reason to deny it when no one gives a shit and everyone knows it's your art style.

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>>153436142
You have a gay man's obsession with pink. You think it's a unique and avant-garde color to use. You're especially fond of pink and black.

>>153435686
C++, C#, Java, Javascript are breadwinners in the software industry.

There are good engines available for these languages, take your pick.

>>153436275
this is probably the easiest one combined with actual gamedev

>>153435046
Maybe also we expect the perspective of the map to change, but since its 2.5D or wtf-ever it doesnt.

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>>153436579

>>153436579
it's called magenta and it's actually extremely popular.

>>153436532
wow man rly wow

>>153436539
>there's no reason to deny it
There is if you understand gogem's disorder. He was raised without any adult telling him he's wrong or stupid. This is why he created a game glorifying school shootings to get attention and his media persona is someone who shoots snarky tweets at grieving mothers. Nobody every told him things he did were wrong or stupid, he has been pampered his entire life .

He's 30+ years old, has never had a job, has leeched off his parents his whole life, and admitting that strangers on the internet could figure him out is too much for him to comprehend. So something as simple as agdg finding past games of him is unacceptable, because that would mean people who are not himself were right about something.

This is further demonstrated by the innumerable arguments about things like random number generation, smears, gamejam games, etc. gogem has had on agdg. He cannot admit when another person has a valid point even when he contradicts himself (like he does by milking his own game jam game for 2+ years).

Every post, literally every post of googem's in agdg has been him arguing or trying to +1 random posts with a witty remark. It is unacceptable that we would ever "catch" him on something like lying about making eroge games on newgrounds. It is however in his mind acceptable to say he makes eroge games, but never show us which ones.

>>153436532
wow man rly? wow

>>153437104
sorry i pointed you to /pol/ previously
>>>/x/

googum please just say it's you so the shitposting can stop

>>153437073
>>153437150
It isn't fear. It's doing something to my eyes, watching it makes me severely nauseous. I have bad eyesight already and specifically the blurry parts are screwing with me badly.

>>153437203
>implying the shitposting will ever stop

oh my sweet summer child

Some days I think I'm pretty pathetic, but at least I'm not pathetic enough to have an fierce investment in anonymous posters on a Pomeranian breeding forum

>>153436275
>Unity is number one when it comes to game industry jobs

Why? Surely proficiency with UE4 would prove more useful

>>153436935
With fags maybe. You have an identifiable fetish for 80's tier neon colors. You should stop arguing about these things.

>>153437203
nice try, shitposter

>>153436645
>>153436275
Thanks lads, I don't really need this since google but I'm a lazy fuck. Any guides you guys recommend before I head out to find some myself?

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>>153436532
I'm kind of shocked anon. Maybe it's the compression or maybe it's the screen scrolling at a slow, constant rate.
Here's a PNG in one of the least offensive parts of the map.

>>153432117
>How do I proceed from here?
>Do I make a Twitter, Steam, Reddit?
>How do I get my work protected? Is copyrighting, trademaking expensive?
Anyone?

>>153437275
wow man rly? wow

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>>153436579
It's like you can find pink hues in everyshot. desu I actually prefer OHG over things like Whip The Vote, or SIT.

>>153437197
Your increasingly nervous replies aren't helping you.

>>153437404
wow man rly? wow

>>153437367
You just like make game

>>153437362
See, that looks fine. It's weird. The blurry portions make me nauseous.

>tfw elegant solution
damn I love my previous self for including shit I might need

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>>153437424
I know. Pink and stripes, always all the time. Gogem is a gayboy.

>>153436275
For a language C++ is the clear winner. Engine doesn't really matter except maybe for internships and entry level positions. The most important thing in the industry is having shipped games before.

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>>153437634

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>>153437745
It literally never ends. His obsession with pink is pathological.

nearly 110 people in the official agdg lewd jam

>>153437503
Stop shitposting please. I need some answers here and direction, you don't just make a game and put it out there.

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>>153437292

It's a games industry statistic. You can argue that UE4 is better, but that would be a different argument altogether.

This is for the UK.

>>153437864
>official agdg jam

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>>153437862
http://gogem.pro/tagged/game

I could go on but just look for yourself.

This
>>153436579
>>153437424
is gogemware

>>153437865
...he wasn't shitposting. You don't need to do worry about any of that until you have something to show for. Either program, draw, or make music. Make something.

>>153437964
what about in a country that actually matters?

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https://twitter.com/OneHandGames/status/395861599153430528
Interesting note is how his punctuation and lowercase spelling habbits are similar.
Again, you can see pink is everywhere.

>>153438030

You mean Europe? I'm not sure. Try Google.

>>153438079
>thinking europoors actually matter

>>153437367
Make the fucking game

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>>153431364
>>153431680
>>153431818
>>153431971
>>153432139
>>153435501
>>153435893
>>153436579
>>153437424
>>153437745
>>153437862
>>153438009
ITT: agdg kino
Late night agdg best agdg

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>>153438009
>mixels

Some people are so obsessed with G**G*m that they've been mining his games for "proof" for hours.

>>153437865
(You) got me
If you're serious, I believe the gist of games IP is that characters and plot and names are generally protected, but not gameplay mechanics(unless you're a huge studio). So generally you have to execute the idea well and rely on a combination of marketing and luck to get your game noticed. You WILL get cloned if your game is good. Hopefully you make some money and get some dev cred, despite the clones, and hopefully the Threes/2048 situation doesn't happen to you. (Although I read an interesting take on that, which was that 2048 was actually the better game because it's mechanics were simpler for players to pick up. Threes had 1 and 2 tiles that combined into a 3, but 2048 started right away with the doubling.)

If you're asking about marketing, good job on thinking about it before you launch, but you can probably afford to wait until your game is partway finished.

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>>153438051
>>153438165
Why would you adhere to trademark design styles like this and continue to deny your works are related
>because googem is crazy
fine. It's still hard to understand.

>>153438306
he only puts up the act in the thread, on the IRC or whatever the chat he goes to now, he'll admit that he made them

>>153438051
>look at my pretty drawing i made everyone aren't i such an artist??
>by the way I make games to fap to
lmao
could not be more gogem than this

is it a cool idea to have different play styles if you were to use a keyboard/mouse vs a gamepad for a PC game? for example my game is meant to be comfy, so having the option to use a gamepad is necessary for maximum snugness and shit, but my current implementation where you control a "cursor" on screen with the right analog stick feels awkward, but is quick and intuitive if you were to use a mouse and keyboard. what I could do is automatically place the "cursor" over your targeted NPC and basically auto-aim if you're using the gamepad but it would be a pretty different experience overall

>>153437865
I'm pretty sure YOU are shitposting here, but if not, then it varies by country. In the US at least basically so long as you publish something original then you own any associated trademarks without needing to register anything. You can register trademarks if you really want but this is generally not necessary. Talk to a lawyer if you want anything more specific but in the meantime just like, make game.

>>153438051
I don't think its the same person.
He would have had to spend 3 years not getting any better at drawing. Maybe even gotten worse.

I just fapped to my own game.

>>153438475
post your cum

>>153438425
oh for context there is a lot of "aiming" in the game because you throw shit at people

>>153438475
i'm fapping to this post right now

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>>153438450
I don't know anon just look at this. The only thing that's change from what I can see is tumblr noses. on his comics.

Programming king coming through
Make way you engine plebs and peasants

>make lewd games
>try to hide from it
Just don't. Artistic integrity is a thing. Games are not anonymous posts.

>>153438425
Can you just imitate Halo's system?
http://www.halopedia.org/Aim_assist

But if you're trying to make it comfy does it even need aiming? Could you just have colour coded enemies and have player hit the appropriate matching button (Like rhythm games).

>>153438587
That situation is 1000x more of a turn on than any of the mass produced porn I've seen all this week

Truly Googem knows what kind of eroticism real people can identify with

>>153438736
>implying I give a fuck

>>153438789
oh, yeah I am using something similar to that already, it helps a bit but it's still a little awkward, I'll have to get feedback on demo day or something to see how other people feel
I'm thinking it through and I can probably use both methods... where the gamepad inputs default to the auto targeting idea but moving the right analog stick would bring up the cursor to override it

wow i was gettng bullied hard last thread lol

>>153439297
I saw your nudes go away

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>>153439297

Can someone explain me what is happening with googem? He made lewd games under a moniker and agdg just found out?

>>153439297
horey shet

>>153439395
you've made more content about rotatedev than you ever did for your own game

What is the real main reason you game dev?
Money, fame, or fun?
In what order?

>>153439564
Fun, money, fame

I don't give a shit about fame, but I care if my game is fun first and foremost.

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Essentially finished my level editor (not using Tiled because I'm a stupid cunt).

Later on in dev I'll add shit for decorations and whatnot, but it's good enough for now.

>>153439564
Money >>>>>>>>>> fun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fame

>>153439297
you'd get bullied even harder if you were one of the metroidvaniafags

>>153439297
Stating known facts about you is not "bullying" you. You're not a victim, you're a blight.

>>153439369
i wanna see rotate's nudes

>>153439395

that looks like an anime girl in the thumbnail

>>153439564
Fun, money, fame.
I like game dev as a hobby, plus i like it keeps my koding skills sharp.
Also unlike other hobbies, where if you finish that battle ship model in the battle you have been working on for years, nobody gives a shit, but every time you release a new game it is like a small lottery ticket for me, at any point i can hit some sweet spot in the market, word of mouth can stat going on and i will make $100k and be able to retire. Almost no other hobbies have such life changing possibility.
And fame? I don¨t give a fuck

>>153439297
>wow im a big deal because everybody hates me :3
Classic potato. Got any new progress posts from that new "game" of yours?

According to this you've had about a dozen so far and haven't finished one
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/tripcode/!ROtaTe.Z.Q/

>>153439564
I have interesting ideas about the world, and no one to talk about them with, so if I have players I can matter to someone and tell them my ideas.

>>153439928
>tfw my biggest fear is pouring my heart out into a game along with months of hard work, and then find out everyone hates it, or even worse, download count: 0

>>153439564
money, the older i get the more i realize i can't keep doing this if i'm not confident that i'm going to make money from it
i wouldn't do it at all if it wasn't fun
fame i don't care about at all

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I need an advice. I'm making dialogues with NPC in my First Person game.
Should I rotate NPC to face me like VtMB did, place camera in front of npc or just block talking to npc if you are behind him?
Or combine to make NPC rotate only when I'm behind him?

>>153440161
>rotate NPC to face me

>>153440034
>download count: 0
Advertising is not that expensive, you can get downloads for like $0.25 each if you know where to buy

>>153440151
>confident that i'm going to make money from it
99% of indie games never make more than couple of dollars. You should always assume you won't make anything because you likely won't.

in my game you can grief other players (a little bit)

>>153439861
>every other page is a new progress post for something that immediately stops
strongest nodev ever

>>153440161
post your game

>>153440254
>Advertising is not that expensive, you can get downloads for like $0.25 each if you know where to buy
this better be a joke, it is painfully obvious you never released anything close to even marginally successful product

>>153440161

Just rotate the head but keep the body the angle at which it already is

>>153440282
Eh, if you manage to get your game on steam you have a solid chance at a decent return. Nothing extraordinary, but certainly a lot for a hobby.

>>153439564
>>153439683
The great thing about being a gamedev with a job is you can make games strictly for fun. This means freedom, which your players can feel. Neet devs like to tell themselves they're making games for themselves or for fun but they never are. They're thirsty.

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>>153440438
I can see it already.

>>153439564
fame, money, ......................................................fun

>>153439564

Escapism from my endlessly shitty life if I couldn't waste hours devving I would just kill myself

>>153439564
Money and fun. Fame is a con desu.

>>153439297
What's it like being the designated thread bitch?

>>153440398
What has you so frustrated?

Ideafags

Pitch me all your ideas
Be useful for once in your lives

>>153440386
It's just a bunch of placeholders atm, I'm making basic interactions now.

>>153440254
>>153440438
Alright, thanks. I'll combine these.

>>153440751
>I'll combine these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nry7KC_62x8

>>153440751

You need to make the rotation slow too, not instant or very fast
Also add subtitle cue and audio indicator when the person is facing away from you like a neck cracking
Say this idea isn't 10/10 and I will kill you

>>153440686
rock paper scissor, only you gamble with real money in a graphic multiplayer lobby

>People taking the time to bypass filters when talking about their namefag circlejerking
Not sure if they are actually retarded, or if they are the namefags selfposting.

>>153440686
>ideafags
>useful
I've only ever seen it once in a full year on agdg and I can't even remember what the idea was.

Saw a yesdev with a game that looked like paper cutouts on strings that was genius but he wasn't an idea guy, he had working prototypes with webms. His idea was guaranteed success.

>>153436351
I fucking love pigs. I fucking love you, anon.

>>153440651
nothing, i just find it funny how people here can have realistic opinions about game dev, but when it comes to the marketing and PR part of the game dev, their views are completely skewed and they thing it's simple as fuck like "Oh i will just send out couple of mails to review sites and youtubers, buy couple adds and slap my game on steam and wait for the money to roll in". But mercifully, they are spared of the cruel dose of reality where their game would make like RRPS, because they never finish and and never release it and thus don¨t have to deal with the devastating feels of nobody giving a shit.

>>153440490
>you have a solid chance at a decent return.
wrong wrong wrong
you are counting on this then stop immediately, 99% of indies games on steam won¨t make even enough money to cover the green light fee
>b-b-but those games are shit
i wish, but nope, doesn't work like that, even the better ones often fail to get any traction

>>153440826
i proposed adding bitcoin to rippus but homph doesnt want to

>>153441071
[citation needed]

>>153440591
>endlessly shitty life if
Why turn to escapism? You are curing the symptoms, not the cause of them.
I am a sad basement dwelling neckbeard as well with a shit job and thus a shit life, so i decided to make a radical change and go to the local cop academy (in 6 months) to become a cop like my old man. It sure as fuck beats flipping burgers, plus if i don¨t like it i can always go back to my own escapism.

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>>153440591
Have you tried drugs?

>>153440826
>you gamble with real money in a graphic multiplayer lobby
In what country? Not in the U.S. the only country that matters. Next.

>>153441125
stfu nodev

>>153441371
CS go skins

>>153441161
For every indie success story you hear, there are 1000 failes stories, you don't hear (because nobody ever cared enough to even notice them)

>>153439564
>What is the main reason you game dev
Because my game doesn't exist yet. Yeah I want money too, that RoR cash is the dream, but it is just that, a dream. I just want to release my game and hopefully have people play (and enjoy) my game, especially the people at ss11.

>>153440826
rock paper scissor, only you gamble with real pachinko balls in a graphic multiplayer lobby

>>153440854
Rotate is using a tripcode. He's not bypassing any filters.
Except when he clears the name field.

>>153439564
Fun, because it's pure joy.
Fame, because for some reason I need the respect and love of people I will never meet in person to keep myself happy and sane.

And no money, since I never considered earning any penny ever with this. My biggest dream is to have a comfy free to play game on Steam with positive reviews.

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>>153441548

>>153441529
>having to buy real pachinko balls to play a video game
fuck off konami

>>153441491
>cs:go did it so indies can too
Where's your professional gaming tier multiplayer franchise-authentic game?

>>153441492
Sure, I can buy that. But I don't believe those 1000 fail stories make it to Steam, most indie failure will come way before that point can be reached. Even very conservative estimates net most games some sort of return. See homph.com/steam

Post your dead games
See if any anons recognize them

>>153441529
>pachinko balls
this, crypto pachinko fucking balls

then you exchange the crypto pachinko balls on another site for real money

brilliant!

>>153441605
>a comfy free to play game on Steam with positive reviews.
Admirable.

>>153441676
I would but this agdg. Views here obectively dont matter.

>>153441492
>>153441161
>>153441071
A lot of this is because people simply don't know how to get themselves traction. Your game is not going to get famous simply because it is a good game, unless you are very lucky. You need to advertise it in some way. Twitter, tumbler, /agdg/, reddit. All of these are means to get your game out there. If you do art might as well steam it on twitch, what's the worst that could happen?

Another this is know your target audience. Appeal to them as much as your game allies. Some may call this pandering, but honestly it's just good business practice.

The next things are consistency and persistence. Your first game may not get traction, but it will build a following. People advertise your game for you through discussion FOR FREE. As long as the game was good & fun it will breed some form of loyal customer.

You can also try the break out route of contacting every fucking lets player and streamer you can. Make an impassioned plea for them to play your game, and provide them a free steam key. If you're lucky a few will play it, and thus their fans will see it as well. Try contacting folks IRL, that's something important. it's much easier to make a connection in real life.

Do give aways. Everyone loves free stuff. Free stuff gives you publicity. Publicity means the people who didn't win free stuff want the stuff that was free.

Doing all of these things is by no means a guarantee, but it helps your chances to at least cover that Greenlight fee.

>>153441726
yakuza pls go

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>>153441676

Is it copyright infringement if I call damaging magic black magic, healing magic white magic and magic from enemies blue magic?

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>>153441676

>>153442024
you cant copyright magic.

>>153441913
>/agdg/
>these are means to get your game out there
Agdg is a black hole with ~100 daily viewers. The fact that you included it as a means to get your game out there caused me to stop reading your post.

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>>153441941
>dead
n-no

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>>153441676
It was my first game and i used it as a training project, 2D seemed nice and simple, but i started regretting not doing 3D instead, after getting some experience i jumped into 3D

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Wow, don't scale up the UI in Stellaris

>>153441941
I remember the top left
>>153442138
I remember you

>>153442120
I shouldn't have included /agdg/ on there, should have said /v/.

>>153442136
im sorry.. anon

>>153441156
please, I'm not ready

>>153439297
rotate discord 2.0 when?

>>153442248
That works. I think yanderedev may have tapped that well though. Every other successful dev from 4chan seems to have made their way by just making a good game, which leads to youtube players which leads to kotaku articles etc.

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>>153441676

Nobody knows this

Where should one advertise?
>twitter
>tumbler
>twitch (while doing art)
>reddit
>facebook?
>/v/?

Where else to shill? Where should one not shill?

>>153441649
no, I meant use the CS go skins as currency

Gogem is one of the biggest gamedev shills and he's a financial failure because his games suck, he has no real promotion material. Best promotion material is a promising game with good gameplay which makes a good trailer. Games that can do this seem to make good money even with minimal marketing.

>>153442625

hello rancedev

>>153442670
>Twitter
yes
>Tumblr
yes
>Twitch
I dunno, maybe. Never tried it but some people love watching people dev.
>Reddit
I don't think you could get away with it
>Facebook
You'd need existing fans for a facebook page
>/v/
Yes

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I have a question regarding GameMaker.
How do i create popup menu like pic-related?

Do i just create an object score_menu
then on "create" event,
create the object Button_1, Button-2 ??

or is there other way to create a fully functional pop up menu?

NEW DISCORD
https://discord.gg/z9mRMHs
https://discord.gg/z9mRMHs
https://discord.gg/z9mRMHs
NEW DISCORD

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>>153441676
I-It's not dead just in a coma

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>>153442198
Nice.
This is the only other progress have saved from that game.

It seems most game devs do not fail in the Greelight stage. They fail in development with the game never actually getting completed.

If you make it past greenlight it seems like most things sell "reasonably" well. If you advertised, build a community, etc. even more so.

I don't wanna shill how can I get muh money

>>153442961
Get
a
job

>>153442794
On Reddit I think it really depends on what subreddit you're on and if you're already part of a community.

I think I hurt my neck sitting in this position for so long. either that our I broke something. Anyway just like make game. Sometime making game is a lot more fun then playing them. If I wasn't having a lot of fun making them, I totally wouldn't bother.

>>153443012
NO

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Some platforms for the DeathEgg stage.

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Most of the animations I've done today are still really rough and will probably look a lot better once I get them into sprite form and clean them up.

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Doing a dumb little shooter from a tutorial with LÖVE. I wanted to do real projects for a while but now I realize it is a better idea to just follow an easy tutorial and modify things here and there for starters. I think when I make a "real" game I will have to use an object oriented language though, Lua seems unfit for anything remotely elaborate.

>>153443012
>implying I wouldn't need to shill myself in order to get a job

>>153442961
Make a legit awesome game, great trailer, greenlight. It's really that simple. The first two steps guarantee success, the question is - what makes an awesome indie game?

>>153442961
>>153443012
>>153443089
>tfw have job
>tfw pretty well paying

I feel like any money I spend on advertisement wouldn't make a return. How much does a 4chan banner cost?

>>153443204
Everyone blocks the banners anon

>>153442961
>>153443171
Also: Mobile games targeted towards unfulfilled niches/trends. It works.

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>>153443119
And by rough, I mean messy as absolute fuck.

>>153443251
I only block it half the time

>>153443114
This looks fun

Reminder if you're "making" a game in any of these:
Game Maker
Unity
RPG Maker

Then you are not a real game dev and your "games" will suck by default

>>153443171
>cute girls
>intuitive gameplay
>gameplay that can be consumed in either short or long form (doesn't force you to stay more than 5 minutes, but staying longer doesn't get repetitive)
>graphics that get the point across (doesn't have to be beautiful, but it needs to look good enough and fit the game)
>a good announcer voice (my only blessing as a dev)

>>153442931
I wonder, is there some chart that lists profits for indie games after greenlight?
Because it seems to me like most indies on steam don't make any kind of money past several hundred $
But if i am actually wrong and most of them make like $10k or or something that would be really great

>>153443394
Don't think in terms of "most" think in terms of the top 20%. If you don't think you can make a top 20% indie game then don't even think about money, just think about gamedev as practice.

>>153443330
t. nodev

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>>153443330

>>153442802
First determine when you want the menu to pop up. When the condition is met, use instance_create() in an "Execute a piece of code" action within the step event... Maybe for your objPlayer?

Once that menu object is up, use the Draw Event to draw the texture on the screen, then draw the buttons within the Step Event.

You'll want to get more familiar working with the Game Maker Language (GML) and be less reliant on the UI/Drag-drop interface, thinking of concepts in more abstract ways... The rest is just Googling tutorials for specific pieces of what you're trying to code.

>>153443394
Based on this http://homph.com/steam/ it seems the average agdg dev does pretty well at least.

why are there no girl aggy daggys

>>153443394
Take this with a massive grain of salt.

Steam spy says there are 5888 "indie" games, and there are 642,890,518 total copies owned. With an average price of $8.49 we have this:

(642890518/5888)*8.69*(1/3) = 316277.094736

So an average of 316k profit per game.

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>>153443630
>restricted rps that low
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>153443516
>top 20%.
I am going by games on aggydaggy, if we ignore projects that get dropped and go by games actually released it mostly goes like this:
>dev finished and releases on steam, usually along with a kikestarter and sending out some emails to youtubers and the usual shit
>his game is actually good enough to be better than shit and better than main stream
>he already starts picking out sports cars he is going to buy
>then the reality hits and he gets like 10 sales or downloads total even though he is selling for dirt cheap or for free
>he writes here how depressed and demotivated that got him
>he quits game dev all together
almost every game released here is a carbon copy of this story

>>153443330
cool n/m

>>153443630
I dunno, for example Cash out made like 500 sales according to that that is about 2500 euros, so 1800 after steam cut and taxes and that kind of money is a joke after months and months of hard work, you can get that amount by flipping burgers for burger king for one month

>>153443687
Can't wait to collect my guaranteed quarter million dollars!!!!!!!!!
>Take this with a massive grain of salt.
Yeah sure of course whatever.


Gonna be rich! ^_^

>>153443595
>The rest is just Googling tutorials for specific pieces of what you're trying to code.
need help on that too.
I tried google for pop up menu, custom menu, etc.
But i can't find anything similar to it.

anyway,
what i said was correct?
there's no way to create the whole pop-up menu as one object.
i have to create a menu background obj, button obj, where background obj will create the button obj.

Btw, i need someone to confirm if i'm doing this right.
I have a game logic that have to run on room created.
Currently, i created an object with no_sprite and run the code there.
It works fine, but i'm wondering if i'm doing it correctly.

>>153443849
5k * $10 price or 10k * $5 price is 50k, take steam's cut and taxes and you have $30k. That's ok for a year's work on a "fun" project.

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Progress on the GUI

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>>153443687
it's like in real live
99% of those sales are for the top 1% of the games

>>153443687
You're right that steam spy is sketchy but your reasoning is bad. Average isn't so useful here.

>>153443330
It's better to have made a game that sucks than one that doesn't exist since you need to figure out how to produce your own computer chips first LOL

>>153443957
You can't expect 5k sales and nobody will buy your game for $10, as a indie you can never go over $5

>>153444064
False. I'm releasing my indie game at $5.01.

>>153444064
I plan on $20

>>153444064

I guess you can never go over five bucks if you either make shovelware or have no faith in your game, and if you don't have any faith in your shitty game, why should I pay for it

>>153444064
from the homph page, it looks like 5k is about as low as you can go, once you're on steam. You're right about the pricepoint though

>>153443904
I'm assuming you want the menu controlled by the mouse like your pic related earlier. Make a single objMenu, then make a sprite for:
- The menu background
- A button, one animation frame pressed, the next animation frame unpressed

In your step event, check the mouse position if it's inside of a particular box where you're spawning the menu (which should be spawned at a particular position, using the instance_create() function). Using the box technique and eep track of which buttons are on and which ones are off.

In your objMenu's draw event, set the image_speed of the object to 0 and draw your buttons onto the screen. Then, use the draw_sprite() function to draw the menu background and buttons onto the screen, using the on/off variables for the "subimage animation frame to use", drawing the button sprites at the same coordinates you're checking the mouse for... Also make sure that you click "Center" in each of your sprites so their origin is centered. Use sprMenuBackground for your object's collision mask and don't make it use a sprite, because all your sprites are manually drawn in the Draw Event.

... I hope that isn't too confusing.

my game will be free and open source

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>>153429951
You know what's crazy to think about? Rotatedev and Theonian could have been rich.

What happened?

>>153443873
>>153443687
So here is another thing.

Do you think you can hit the top half of indie steam games? Because the middle selling number is 12800 copies.

If you sell you game for say, $12.99 you'll be looking at:
12800*12.99*(1/3) = 55.4k

If you hit the top third you're looking at 34.5k sold.

34500*12.99*(1/3) = 149.3k

If you hit the top fourth you'll get 69.9k copies:
69900*12.99*(1/3) = 302.6k

If you hit top ten percent you'll get 217.5k copies:
217500*12.99*(1/3) = 941775

And finally the top one percent will net you a massive 1.63m copies sold for:
1635900*12.99*(1/3) = 7083447

However like I said. Most games die before ever hitting the steam store. Just think of it in terms of "can I beat roughly half my competitors?". The answer is yes, but people are retards, even game devs Especially game devs.

>>153444337
I get the temptation of imitating successful game concepts but I really don't understand how people can put so much work in a copy. I guess that shit sells.

>>153444339
Did you mean to multiply by 1/3 there, to account for taxes in addition to steam cuts? Steam only takes 1/3, leaving you with 2/3.

>>153444339
>*(1/3)
Shouldn't it be -30%?

>>153443998
Take a look at >>153444339


>>153443986
Actually it is made up by a glut of "middle class" games making up the top 1/3.

>>153443751
See, you say this, but find me some of these stories. Give me some examples. Because at the moment you just sound like a buttmad no dev trying to make excuses.

>>153444464
>>153444459
You're right, I'm retarded. Double all those numbers. Remember what I said about game devs.

>>153442832
Square dev?

Keep it up, mate! As I remember right you've said that's your dream project. Don't let your dreams be dreams!

>>153444337
>could have been rich
Why? What's so appealing about this game?

What separates a $5 indie game from a $10 indie game?

>>153443751
even shittiest game on steam was sold ore than 10 copies.
stop making up lies to fit your narratives

>>153444339
>>153444464
>>153444471
>>153444541
>>153444459
So basically you got to ask yourself. Can you reach the top 1/4 of indie game devs on steam? Because if you do that's a whopping 605.2k profit. That's enough for most folks to live on for a few years (maybe make another game along the way). Even after taxes you'll be safe for a good long while.

That being said most die in the water.

>>153444564
Yup! Seeing someone remember the game makes me incredibly happy.

I'm never giving up, but I'm working on other smaller games to gain experience and knowledge.

>>153444337
Holy shit, they made it that far? Ever since he has a new programmer we barely see game play progress like that. The only thing I remember is walking on some slopes. Hope they'll get back on track.

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https://youtu.be/cJukyZinJ1I

>you'll never be an eccentric billionaire that releases an indie game that comes packaged with a taste-based peripheral controller

>>153444416
>I really don't understand how people can put so much work in a copy. I
Apparently neither did rotate. He gave up after making basic movement and a single attack. I saw some of Theonian's boss artwork though, even if it was just another metroid it would have been a good game. The programmer was unfortunately just literally insane.

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>>153444337
>>153444575
The lighting on the loli makes her look really fat, not to mention she looks hunched over abit. As for the skeletons. That's the dumbest attack pattern since skelerangs from SOTN.

What engine would you recommend for a 2D RPG ala FF6/Chrono Trigger?

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>>153444784

>>153444648
Are your numbers only for 1MA or does it include indie studios? I'd expect the budgets to increase as it gets closer to the top (including marketing budgets).

>>153444648
>Can you reach the top 1/4 of indie game devs on steam?
idk mang steam has seen a metric ton of indie games reach the top 25% most of them coming from teams of twelve or more people.

>>153444064

Why not sell the game for 5k$ and hope at least 1 person buys it?

>>153444826
>skelerangs
>bad

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