EVE Online General - /eog/

You fags can't even make a thread, holy shit.

Haha I can't wait for AT so we can finally know who is the best DDoSer and briber.

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>Cucked Out

fucking ded thread

I'm rich now. What should I do?

>>153359345
send me isk

>>153357876

All the linkfags have ragequit

>>153355278
I might actually train for the command destroyers now because of these cool new links even thought it's kind of gimmicky

>>153362489
I look forward to drake fleets crashing nodes when they all spam their boosters

>le funny drake meme

>that titan loss

how long do you think until snuff collapses

>>153362489
Command dessies were already running on grid links. Pontifex and magus are dank with frig logi and assorted gang of other small shit.

>he doesn't own several supers and titans to solo kill with a kestrel and become a reddit celebrity for 5 months

>implying kestrel would break shield reacharge of a super

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hey /eog/ which one is best?

>javelin

>>153363632
Dread Op has already left. So not long.

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OFFICIAL LIST OF WORST TYPES OF PLAYERS IN EVE:

1. Nullsec botters/ratters/mission runners
2. Highsec botters/ratters/mission runners
3. Nullbabby napfest blobbers
4. Lowsec 'elite' link-alt slave set pvpers
5. 'hisec pvp'
6. Miners
7. Industrialists
8. Traders
9. Scammers

9001. Honorabru solo roamers

90001. Small gang NPC sov nullsec/lowsec

900001. C5-6 WH pvpers

join fweddit

>>153369081
I don't know about those two fits, but hml is better than ham

>>153369081
the rlml one

>>153369081
>using medium missiles
>ever

>>153372752
>le shitter meme

>>153372828
>everything I don't like is a meme meme

>>153372884
yeah you're a meme

>>153372962
I am the last of the memes.

You should take good care of me.

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did all the t3dfags biomass irl yet

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They should do off-peak rewards. I got up this morning to no thread and this.

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>yfw going through black rise asking known linkfags if I should train links

So, why can't we balance T3Ds with price? Just make them like 100M?

>>153378549
>tfw link alt, but I don't make enough ISK or RL money to justify PLEXing it

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>>153378549
>it's not fair, ccp should reimburse SP ;_;

>>153378549
Lel

>>153378697
why would we want to? balancing them by actually balancing them seems better to me. hecate is not worth 100m

>>153378815
Then don't make it that? Nobody talks about the hecate being super OP, literally just the Svipul.

>balancing them by actually balancing them
They get a niche mechanic, and it should be fun. There was the idea that a switch should happen at the end of the CD, but that doesn't sound as interesting to fly. What else even is there except nerfing damage and other mode benefits..

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>tfw memed

>>153379139
so instead of ever fixing anything, you just want to increase the production cost and make fat isk off your pile of svipuls

>What else even is there

yeah, actually fixing it is what else there is. you take the things that are broken and make them not broken

>>153367702
>what is self destruct

>>153379368
It's broken because it's cheap, powerful, and flown more than anything else. Can fix one or both, but you're not actually suggesting anything to fix their power.

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Hey /eog/

I'm not too good at fitting, and I have a type of ship that I want, and I would really appreciate help with understanding the best modules to fit for my scenario.

I want to fit a 50MN MWD to a slasher. Is this possible with powergrid enhancing modules & rigs?

I basically want the fastest tackle frigate in all of new eden. Please disregard price and sensibility, I just want to see that fastest I can possibly go.

>>153379754
why do I need to? there's plenty of ways to fix their power. are you thinking it's too difficult to fix it that way?

>>153379779
Aren't Atrons faster than Slashers?

>>153379854
And keep it fun? Maybe. And keep its PvE potential in line with what the ship should be? IDK.

It's obviously not an issue just making it expensive though. Done.

>>153379779
Does it have to be a T1 frigate?

Some pirate frigs are way faster

>>153379779
There are a bunch of threads posted over the game's life discussing this.

>>153380382
>fun

see this is the point where you've revealed that you're probably retarded

>>153380327
No clue, I'm a total noob.

>>153380472
Nah, it can be anything. This is more of a fitting exercise to me than a real ship I want to make (because I haven't trained enough skills to go really fast, and cant afford the better ships anyways).
Which special ships go really fast and can fit a 50mn mwd?

>>153380524
I'll look for them, thanks for the tip

>>153380531
M8, I'm also posting about how frigate through cruiser speeds should be normalized. There's this thing where you can either rebut it / improve the conversation or not.

>>153380696
yeah that's fucking dumb you know, if you're saying there shouldn't be good mobility differences between ship classes

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>it's a 'newbie wants to be a bounty hunter' episode
>it's a 'newbie wants to go fast' episode
>it's a 'newbie wants to land on planets' episode

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>>153380641

>>153380879
Not an argument. "The game should be fast, not arbitrarily designed."

>>153381607
I didn't say fast. I said mobility differences between ship classes.

>>153381194
>is SC still vaporware?
Sorta. It's not an MMO yet.

>>153381749
I'm saying fast. You're giving no reasons for your class differences idea.

There's no reason to make AB ships go 500m/s. That's not fun. What's posted in the other thread, AB speeds around 2000-2400 and MWD speeds between 2400-3400, smaller ships still being faster?

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>>153380641
Here you go

If you want an actual viable one then you're probably shit out of luck because that 50mn mwd eats up just about all the PG on any frigate.

And before you start meme'ing >punisher, this fit is faster than a dramiel with a 50mn

>>153381954
my reasons for my idea?

it's how the game was intended to work before they fucked it up. you have small ships right, and they go fast and have less durability

>That's not fun

why is it not fun?

and in your shit, what exactly would be the point of using mwd? a module that uses more fitting, gives you a capacitor penalty, uses lots of capacitor, and gives you a sig penalty, and can be disabled with a warp scrambler. you think being just very slightly faster would be good enough reason?

>>153381954
Are you perchance the same anon who wants resistance penetration ammo and the one who argues that no sp would make eve a better game?

>been unsubed for like 6 months now
>start getting the eve itch again
>remember that every single person I've interacted with in the game hates my fucking guts except for people in the bringing solo back channel maybe
>I have a history of corp theft and corp drama now too
What the fuck do I do now?

Everything should be slow. Every ship, with an exception of maybe, but just maybe frigates should have to dedicate itself to a fight.

Eve should go for point blank brawl range.

>>153382590
why are you associating slowness with short range stuff

>>153382565
Extract your skills, start a new character and inject.

Or buy one from the character bazaar.

Maybe buy your own character yourself so you can tell people that you had no idea that he used to be a corp thief.

There should be a DPS counter.

>>153382284
>why is it not fun?
Because it's not mobile, duh. There's a ginormous contrast between frigate MWDs and cruiser ABs, and that's not how it should be.

>why use an MWD
Because it would still be faster. The point is that cruisers, and overall this whole scram web meme, is really overplayed for a game that should probably be featuring some innovation.

>>153382416
>resistance penetration ammo
Is this a joke?

>>153382590
>le contrarianism

>le

r/eve shill please go

>>153382743
>Is this a joke
Newfag confirmed.

Why should anyone take you seriously now?

>>153382743
>it's not mobile, duh

do you realise that fast and slow are just relative to other things?

if you make everything faster, relative to each other everything is exactly the same. all you're doing is fucking up damage application and damage mitigation for no reason

>this whole scram web meme is overplayed

what does this shit mean exactly? if you want to make it harder to tackle stuff then why not just say so and explain why, instead of proposing ass retarded game breaking shit

>>153382723
That costs way too much fucking isk.

It's not even just the corp theft thing. A lot of corps will take corp thiefs. It's that I stole from the newbie hanger for the sake of petty revenge.

>>153382854
>do you support this meme that always gets posted
I could ask again, but you don't seem very friendly.

>>153382943
>to tackle stuff
You can't do that without redesigning ship speeds or inventing a new module.

It'd be nice though if piloting required more skill than turning on scrams and webs and hitting orbit (because at 250m/s, manual piloting isn't to much effect anyway).

>>153382986
>It's that I stole from the newbie hanger for the sake of petty revenge.
I know who you are. Kindly biomass yourself irl.

>>153383128
are you unironically implying that brawlers are too powerful, or are you rightly complaining about tackle range bonuse faggotry?

lmao @ the former

>>153383230
lmao this is why I can never play this game again. But still it's tempting. Spaceships are cool.

>>153383251
Brawlers aren't meta, and they aren't fun, because getting blobbed because you can't move isn't complex or skill-based. Scram web is a shallow mechanic.

>>153383494
most retarded post I've read in several minutes, I don't even know where to start with this one

the part about something not being 'skill based' especially upset me

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>brawlers aren't fun

>>153383494
>Brawlers aren't meta, and they aren't fun
Nullbabber kindly get out

>>153382162
>digital booster
Theres no reason for that anymore.

>>153384098
whatever m8 I just picked the lowest pg, I didn't look at the name

>>153382565
Benji?

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>bringing solo back

>yfw all the linkfags claiming that solo will be dead now
>yfw they think using alts is solo

>>153384448
It's hilarious that you think that's the most dogface worthy element of my history. I guarantee you I'm the most autistic person ITT.

>>153384584
Holy shit links are RIP?

I should resub if for no other reason than to give CCP more money.

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>>153384657
When I first started playing, there was this like Chinese dude flying dual-rep Incursuses. I should make videos.

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/command-bursts/

HELL
FUCKING
YES

>>153384832
I remember him. he was doing dual rep with rails and would only ever use t2 ammo. I tried to get him to be better, I don't know if he understood or cared

>tfw japanese honorabru solo roamer will never roam again

>tfw no item to make Tama gate guns stronger

>Fozziesov would be fine if Entosising generated KMs
Except nobody's actually losing any money.

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>tfw you are fozzie
>tfw people on /eog/ are actually tsundere for you

>armor pilgrim

>>153385957
>implications
If so bold, post proof and have an actual discussion.

>implying foozie knows what tsundere is

>implying devs would ever go here

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>that one guy who believes than a dev wouldn't shitpost on /eog/

How do I remove garmurs?

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>>153386462

>>153386462
smartbomb bs on gate

>raven autist bought another skin for another trash ship
lmao

>fotm shitter can't afford even cheap skins

>mfw buying shit looking cheap skins

>buing skin for a corax

>>153386462
Also, videos?

>>153387269
of what?

Jesus Christ, cap skills are the bane of this game

Why is niddy the most expensive carrier now? What happened.

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No neut?

>>153388657
DC II'd btw

>>153388657
Why are you fitting T2 guns, then the rest of the fit with poorfag mods?

>>153388657
I guess it'd be 4min. without the micro on.

>>153388804
T2 guns have the best damage. That's cheap and powerful over most frigates that cost like 15M with the ancil price.

>>153388657
>black out character
>don't black out Avetus Stain's Thrasher
I expect it's just a poor attempt to get us to harass this faggot?

I just might.

>>153388907
You have fitting left to spare.

If you value dps so much upgrade your gyro at least.

Pretty sure an azeotropic is about the same price as a T2 MSE too and it will give you like 200 more raw shields

>>153388804
t2 guns are useful, t2 scram, t2 mwd t2 neut are not useful

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why are there no corvettes in EVE?

>>153389037
He's pretty decent solo, per his KMs.

>per his
>implying it's not you

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>>153388657
learn to thrasher

>2 em 1 thermal
>not 1 em 2 extender
>not 3 extender

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>>153390243
Wot ammo?

>>153391318

>>153390770
*

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>0 em resist

>>153391560
republic fleet emp

use a y-t8 mwd and a t2 extender. Meta extenders should be a last resort

>>153391727
That pic is showing the same fit with different DPS.

Can a thrasher take a harpy

>>153391860
I'm not autistic enough to care

>>153392129
The point is that the fit isn't better.

>>153391982
if the harpy is retarded

>tfw you will never be a pvp god like phil

>not 280mm sebo thrasher
plebs

>sebo

kys

>sebo

more like plebo

what's the best way to kill shit in this game?

>>153395054
Press F1.

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>>153395054
svipul with on grid links

>>153371102
No, HAM's have better stats than HML's

>>153393935
>spelling out this long winded ass name
>not just using "cockbag" thrashers

>>153395353
no they don't

>>153395721
Yes they do, HAM's have smaller explosion radius and faster explosion velocity. They apply better than HML's and do way more DPS. the only thing HML's have is slightly higher alpha and a lot longer range.

>>153395882
>slightly higher alpha
>it's +100%

>a lot longer range
>implying range isn't really extremely fucking important in blobs

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>blobs

>>153396045
HAM's do way more DPS and have 20% better application.

and on a cerb, the range is so great it doesn't even matter. RLML's are better than HML's

>>153396309
>it doesn't even matter

more is always better

application doesn't mean shit in blobs btw, do you even tp v

>>153396493
>more is always better
then HAM's and RLML's are "more" better than HML's

theres a reason why no one uses HML's anymore

>>153396542
no, hams have no range and shit volley. that's terrible

and loads of people blob with hmls, what are you talking about

>>153396639
>no, hams have no range and shit volley. that's terrible
Did you even see that fit? the HAM's are doing way more DPS and have over 100km which is where cerbs tend to occupy.

>lots of people blob with HML's
the cerb is the only one to do this because of its range and damage bonus. there are no other fleets that actually use HML's for anything because RLML's are better in every fashion.

>>153396873
>over 100km

do you understand missiles? EFT saying you can hit at 100km does not mean you sit your fleet at 100km. and what hmls 'tend' to do isn't really relevant. they can hit really fucking far, way further than hams. you witnessing some scrubs not using that advantage is meaningless

>because RLML's are better in every fashion

yeah except range and sustained dps

>>153397234
>do you understand missiles? EFT saying you can hit at 100km does not mean you sit your fleet at 100km.
I'm not sitting my fleet at 100, I'm sitting the fleet at 85-95 with the same intent. Cerbs without any guidance computers and shit will have HML's also sit at 108 just like that cerb fit above with HAM's. You're nitpicking semantics instead of making a simple inference jesus christ you're desperate.

>range

the RLML's also get out to 100km. Also RLML's do more dps than HMLS even when you take into account reloads. Also It can be said that RLML's do way more DPS than HML's because Light Missiles apply perfectly to pretty much every ship size. good luck trying to haze any frig or T3D with an HML

HML's are shit.

Do infrastructure hubs have guns?

>>153397784
>You're nitpicking semantics

no, I'm pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about. hmls can go further away than hams, it is a huge advantage. hams can do stuff up close, but if you're in babby snipe fits you don't seem likely to be able to use that

>RLMLs

don't care, we're talking about hmls and hams

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>>153398016

>>153398083
>no, I'm pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about. hmls can go further away than hams, it is a huge advantage. hams can do stuff up close, but if you're in babby snipe fits you don't seem likely to be able to use that


No you are nitpicking because I said "about the range that cerbs tend to operate" So instead of taking this as an inference for "tend" or "about" you're taking it LITERALLY despite there being nothing explicit in the sentence to begin with.

>Further away than hams
yes I already said this
>its a huge advantage
not when you lose half the DPS + more because your application is 20% worse.

>I don't care about RLML's
yea now you don't because that defeats everything HML's have going for them. RLML's have the range, more damage, MORE DPS even with the reload kek, and superior application

>>153398420
>"tend"

it doesn't matter what people tend to do with these ships. it has no bearing on capabilities

>half the DPS
>application is 20% worse

choose one, and get good at tp v

>yea now you don't

you're trying to tell me that hams are better than hmls at range. you can't come along and tell me I'm wrong because rlmls are overpowered. or you can, and I'll tell you hmls are better than hams because of heavy beam lasers or something

>>153396542
>no one uses HLM's anymore
>cerb meta
yea ok boi

>>153398649
>it doesn't matter what people tend to do with these ships. it has no bearing on capabilities
Oh so it matters when you pick out some shit to nitpick me on, but when you read it twice suddenly it doesn't count because you said so?

>choose one
choose both because thats what HML's are, 20% worse application than HAM's and 70% worse application than RLML's

>get good with TP V
or run RLML's and never need a TP ship

>you're trying to tell me that hams are better than hmls at range.
I never said that
if you go back and read, I said "Yes they do, HAM's have smaller explosion radius and faster explosion velocity. They apply better than HML's and do way more DPS. the only thing HML's have is slightly higher alpha and a lot longer range."

HML fleets are pretty tough to FC first off. Unless your alliance has really gone into missiles, you can end up with range disparities too.

Funnily enough Ev0ke are one of the few that can actually fly HML tengus and shit somewhat ok.

The issue is, they're a fleet weapons platform. They're completely fucking useless solo and small gang.

So the question becomes why are you taking HML tengus to a timer instead of proteuses? The answer is you're too shit to fly proteuses, and the people you're fighting are also too shit to fly proteuses.

>>153398917
actually the reason why it doesn't count is because you're dumb and it doesn't count

>choose both

so 20% worse application means you lose 50% of your damage does it

>or run RLMLs

yes tell us more about rlmls and how they show javelin hams to be better than faction hmls

>>153399113
>actually the reason why it doesn't count is because you're dumb and it doesn't count
sounds like you back pedaled when you shoved words into my mouth.

>20% worse application means 50% less DPS
no it means HML's have way worse DPS than HML's on paper BEFORE considering that HML's also have 20% worse application on top of that.

>tell us more about RLML's
they're better than HML's in virtually every single way. More DPS even with the reload, better application. Faster velocity means they apply quicker. Shall I go on?

>>153399285
no I didn't

and no shit, a weapon with double the range has worse dps

>Shall I go on?

not to me please since rlmls aren't what we're talking about, I was being sarcastic

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I have 20 days to make 1 billion ISK.
Wish me luck.

>>153390770

I like this a lot. Any success flying this solo?

>>153401614
When I did fw I made 1 billion a week easily if I missioned every day.

>>153401614
Where are you from?
and are you a cute girl?
also post name

>playing for 40 hrs. to make the equivalent of $15

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>>153402174
I was kinda planning on not doing a lot of fighting but maybe it's not much of an option. At least I got a bunch of combat stuff and a starting shit from the training contracts. Still doing the other ones, however.

>>153403086
Nowhere.
No.
Jun Hayashida.

>>153403867
thats a shame, I give cute girls money

>>153402135
I get a dozen or so friends in these and wreck shit. We usually use t1 variants and whelp them into a fleet killing a 300mil ship for 20mil cost

it's so much fun to be deployed in Delve and have to log off every single fucking day for 5-6 hours because progodlegend is an autistic fuck who can't fc worth shit

Guys.. Svipuls are too inexpensive. End of discussion.

>snuffbabbies giving up already

>snuff
literally worse than goons

I can not find a fucking engagement in lowsec right now. It's all huge gangs sitting on gates with reps.

>>153406052
go to null, kill tacklers. lowsec is shit

>>153406052
lowsec is basically only for t1 frigate complex pvp

>>153407474
>as if there are a bunch of frigates flying around in low

>>153406458
In what?

>>153408479
cloaky astero with drones

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Is this a good panther fit?

>>153409140
>60M for something that can be done in 10M
I was sorta enjoying the Thrasher, but I wouldn't predict that I could slingshot 3400m/s frigates with that. This is why 1500m/s dessies is criminal.

I would so fly a fitted Slicer if it was 10M.

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>>153410043
I changed it up a bit, added neuts and drones and used a better MWD

>>153409140
that's gay, fly a real ship

>>153410043
No, you want heavy neuts on BLOPS no exceptions.
Which means you need to choose between MWD or jump drive

>>153410338
I mean I'm gonna blops onto something at near zero so medium neuts are in the good range.

I can't really fit 2 heavy neuts thats 4k pg, I could fit one. Is that a good idea?

>>153410338
or just downgrade some guns

Can this map not check systems while docked?

>>153410437
Yea I could down grade the guns, its only 30dps lost and it clears up tons of PG

I just don't have all the range I did before

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>>153410658

>>153410437
Sure

>>153410418
What

>>153410857
>What
what was hard about what I said?

I said the PG is tight and fitting 2 neuts is hard

>>153410803
Range means shit for BLOPS.
You want to practically be in bumping range.

>>153410941
I don't know what you mean by the neut range thing.
Heavies remove more cap than mediums, you want to neut out your target ASAP.
This is why the Sin is the superior BLOPS.

>>153411115
>I don't know what you mean by the neut range thing.
I mean when I blops on something I'm gonna be within 15km at most, so medium neuts are well within their optimal

>>153411149
Also without the MJD or MWD I don't know what to do with my 5th mid.

I can pick between the MJD and MWD thats easy but I just don't know what to do with the 5th mid

>>153411149
Heavy neuts remove 600 gigawatts per cycle unbonused, mediums 180 or some shit, its not about the range its about the "neut alpha"
you want your target to be out of cap FAST to kill his tank FAST.

I like this fit

[Panther, Buckshot Bandit]
Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Damage Control II

Gist X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive
Large Micro Jump Drive
Imperial Navy Medium Capacitor Booster
Sensor Booster II
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II
Caldari Navy Cloaking Device
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II
Imperial Navy Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II
Imperial Navy Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II

Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II


'Augmented' Hammerhead x2
Gecko x2
Hornet EC-300 x5
'Augmented' Hobgoblin x1
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5

ECCM Script x1
Republic Fleet EMP L x130
Barrage L x820
Navy Cap Booster 800 x13
Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot L x770
Targeting Range Script x1
Republic Fleet Fusion L x455
Nanite Repair Paste x1022
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L x1160

>>153411454
Ok so I see that you use a medium cap booster instead of a heavy. I like my heavy does it really matter that much to sac it for a regular medium?

I like to put a 3200 loaded into my heavy so if I need to cap up quick I can pulse that then I have 800's in the cargo

>>153411454
replace sensor booster for web if your hunter has no web, or not.
That's just my personal preference, I've had ishtars actually jam me with 300s.
I don't like that and my Proteus has a web, if they are 100ab fit the heavy neuts shut it down instantly.

>mfw scrubs thinking non-scrubs unironically active tank nowadays

>>153412131
who are you quoting?

>>153411569
the cap booster is just there to keep the neuts cycling, even with a medium its overkill because CAPLESSGUNS.

3200s are too heavy and have no use imo.
if something goes wrong and you're getting neuted a 3200 cycle is gonna go bye pretty fast, 800 allows for you to keep spam cycling neuts and try to get off.

but again thats all just in my opinion, blops fits depend a lot on who you fight, the territory and the stuff you're hunting.
different groups of people endanger your blops with different tactics and ships

Again, why the Sin is superior, you can literally neut things to death and perma active tank every subcap in the game.
You'll know what I mean when you drop a high crystal rattlesnek on your panther.

bads thinking you need to cap people out to disable their tank

>>153412195
Yea I like the panther fit better now, it has 2 heavy neuts, I dropped the heavy cap booster for a medium and my mids are MWD, MJD, web, scram and cap booster

lows are the same and my guns are 650's which have way less fitting, slightly less damage and range, and better tracking by about 15%

>>153412254
yea generally you do, you want to turn off their weapons if they use any, their tank, their prop mods everything

How is this, flying 130M ISK Slicers, 90s percent ISK green?

https://zkillboard.com/character/726367684/solo/

I have all you faggots have seen the frigate redesigns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFVYU4busjc

>that stiletto
>that fucking crusader

BASED
A
S
E
D

>implying you can neut off my active modules
>implying I don't have a cap booster

>implying you can neut off my plate

>liking the executioner downgrade

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>frigates

>>153412616
>>implying you can neut off my active modules
can very easily make you miss cycles, cap booster or not

>>implying you can neut off my plate
I'm just not gonna drop you if I suspect you are a brick tanked meme fit with 200k ehp, its not hard to notice strange behavior.
Enjoy trying to catch my cloaky nullified proteus

>>153412616
>implying you can turn off my shit because I have a cap booster
unless I somehow blopsed onto a dual cap boosted battleship, you're capping out especially when we have 2-3 other blops with neuts. If its a sin, you're neuted to zero

>>153412568

because links.

he gets +40% armor ehp, +40% shield ehp, +30% mwd speed, +30% agility, and the point range boost with the three skirmishes, one armor, and one shield mod on his off-grid links with a faction mind link.

so, a shitter that thinks they get a free kill on a frig sitting 15km away on the gate dies to gate guns because the frig survives the first volley and now is going 7 km/s around you right outside of web/scram range.

>>153412579
>visual redesigns only

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This cap shit is ludicrous.

Free cap SP where. This is why SP isn't fun.

>>153414151
>he keeps his MWD on constantly

>>153412616
imfuckingplying I'm gonna drop my delicate panther onto a Brutix Navy Issue or some shit.

>>153414226
It's gonna happen in lowsec, where engagements are mostly a bunch of frigs trying not to get tackled.

Which reminds: there should be more reason to come together in specific locations, especially in specific ship sizes.

>>153414420
yes we have that, its called stargates and FW plexes

>you're neuted to zero

then i hit my cap booster

>>153414704
and my second neut cycles and you're at zero again

unless you have at least 2-3 batteries, you're at zero constantly

>>153414151
you had the option to fit a cap rig, but you chose not to

>>153414151
>3 locus coordinators
fucking worthless because of stacking penalties

>batteries

lmao he actually fell for this shit meme

>>153414636
>where everything is svipuls and legitimately almost no solo
If there was a reason to keep small classes undocked, there would be more solo pilots flying dessies and cruisers instead of tech 2 and 3 shit.

>should I fit an enduring disruptor and mwd, or should I be retarded then complain about it

get a damage control btw and swap third locus for damage

>>153414978
the only thing now that effectively resists neuts. Before that cap boosters were better for resisting neuts.

>>153415016
fuck off with solo shit. Great you got a solo fight, but the moment you DONT get a solo fight, you bitch as if theres some kind of awful detriment to the game. EVE is not a solo game. Sure some people make great montages of tons of solo fights and shit but thats fringe and they don't show you videos of how long it took to go through all that.

>muh svipul meme
theres tons more shit going on out there, gitgud

>>153414947
>21km vs 23km
No, it's fucking not.

>>153414846
What if I was flying beams. It's even worse.

Then there's trying to point and rep.

>>153415352
>No, it's fucking not.
you'd be better using another rig to better your agility, speed, cap, or anything but you stacked 3 of these fucking things when you should have used 2 T2 locus and saved the last for a polycarbon or a nanopump or something

heard this game is shit

should i get it?

>>153415457
Its great
get it

>>153415457
It's fun, but good luck doing what you'd like without lots of money.

>>153415457
your shit

>>153415683
>paying a sub
>a lot of money

>>153415457
If you won't shoot yourself in the head after the first month, you'll stick with it.

>>153416781
>ingame items are free

>>153417061
you get them by playing the game

>>153416781
>SP injectors
>PLEX so that it's not the equivalent of $1/hr
Anybody played this game with under 5M SP?

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Why do all the top Condor pilots have 60DPS? Are links really that OP?

>>153418293
No its because LML's are low damage, high alpha weapon systems

you have to try and fit a BCS on there.

the condor used to have 4 mids and 3 lows, they nerfed it like 2 years ago because it was OP as shit

people would do just warp disruptors, 2 BCS's in the lows and LML's and just circle jerk you from 20km and theres nothing you can do about it

>>153418573
Those are the top pilots (with plenty of kills) on zkill and their fits.

>>153418293
having low dps doesn't mean you can't kill shit

the idea is they just pin you down forever and you have to sit there and take it. only works vs short range afterburner brawlers you get the drop on, and it's considered an old meme

>>153418719
thats a pretty slow way to beat at your opponent. an incursus might be able to slow tank that on his own cap regen and one repper

>>153419125
I'd expect most incursus to just have an ancil rep

even if someone can permatank you, you can call for backup to get the kill, while they have to call for backup or be stuck there forever

>imaginary backup meme

>imaginary friends meme

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>that one fag in a raven who tries to convince everybody that raven is good
Step back nigga.

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>>153420703
hi

>>153420904
ur bs is shit

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>>153420703
>not being a filthy casual flying your CNR every day

>>153419620
>as if there is infinite ammo

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>>153420963
:(

>>153421406
What an absolute shitfit. Please kill yourself

>>153418293
Expect long fights and a lot of 3rd parties whoring on your kills

>can't find anybody in black rise

>lowsec

>Condor

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6615571#post6615571

>>153429454
is that guy retarded?

>>153430760
You're so lame.

>>153429454
While I disagree with his core idea-as well as most of his proposals-his idea that capital remote repairs be nerfed by being signature radius based is an idea that I have talked about with my corp mates before and would be a great way to balance the current issues with having 2 Fax as the only logi needed for a 100 man Macharial fleet. With arty Macharials being the standard doctrine of most low and null sec entities (which is a whole other problem that CCP needs to address) there is absolutely no reason to bring Guardians seeing as you'll need more people in Guardians, resulting in less people in Macharials, Guardians do less reps and require a stable cap chain to operate, have trouble supporting themselves, take longer to lock targets, and can easily be volleyed by the opposing Macharial fleet . This is bad game design if there is only one decision to be made when a problem arises.

Having capital reps rep based on signature radius, like how capital neuts work, would offer greater gameplay choices. Instead of only needing two reps on a target, maybe it would require all four, or even a second fax, to save the ship being primaried meaning that you cant just save your fleet with one or two fax on the field. So you could make the decision to either bring more fax, greatly increasing your risk of being dreadbombed, or maybe you go for Guardians, having to deal with their weaknesses, but at least all your reps will go for full and would be less risk of having opposing capitals on the field. Also, it would allow your fleet to be much more mobile as you don't have fax stuck on grid in triage.

>fleet target paints ship
>get full reps
:^)

>I can't afford machariels therefore machariels are a problem

>>153432250
That would be silly. The only gameplay choice you get is fitting a MWD so you get full reps

>>153432426
Oh yes, I'll just have my fleet waste midslots on target painters and have their time spent locking friendlies instead of people I'm calling primary. Meanwhile, one of the macharials just got primaried and is screaming for reps, and while our fax was able to lock it and are giving it reps, other macharials are still locking him up, and oh look half of them just target painted an enemy ship instead of the guy who needed reps so he died.

>>153432593
My alliance exclusively flies 1bil isk Macharials, so its not the price tag that is the issue. The only counter to Macharials is more Macharials.

>>153432656
If you fit a MWD you'll easily run out of cap in a Macharial also the enemy Machs will be able to hit you easier (as if it really was an issue to begin with).

The only reason Machs are used so much is because it's warp bonus. Make warp speed unified at 4-5 AU except the specialized ships like ceptors or BRs, so you aren't shooting yourself in the leg by bringing a BS to a fleet of smaller ships.

>>153433028
That is not the only reason Machs are used. Arty Macharials counter every other battleship and cruiser in the game.

>people thought goons were the bad guy all along

the ironing is delicious

>>153433292
I always wanted to take them down, not because I thought they were the bad guy, but more because they were the biggest entity in the game and thought they would be almost impossible to take out. Then I saw how easily they died and was sad.

>>153433405
They only lasted so long because it was impossible to invade decline due to ccp favoritism.

>>153433610
>impossible to invade decline due to ccp favoritism

uh, what

>>153433405

i'll agree with that, but it seems a much bigger and more competent monster has taken its place

>>153433742
PL has always been there, and if you're talking about dumpsterco, top kek, they're already self destructing

>>153434123

yeah but its vastly different now, the situation in the north is extremely interesting

nobody cares about darkness

>>153434289
>vastly different
how

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>the situation in the north is extremely interesting

>>153434498
PL is completely unchecked while all the other entities in the north are squabbling over whatever scraps they can find

basically removing goons as a counterbalance to PL has ensured that both of them are uncontested in their respective regions of space

>>153434864
Goons weren't a counterbalance to anything for a long time. The only reason they lasted so long was that deklein as so hard to invade.

>>153434864
When has it ever been different? Goons kept PL in check? Lol what?

>>153434956

only insofar as dronelands are hard to invade via renters in the way

>>153434958

what other supercap power was close to PL besides goons

>>153421040
>your cat undocks your titan

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r8

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>>153439295

>>153439295
I have yet to see a fit posted in this thread that isn't bait/shit

>>153439295
>guns on nestor
What is it even for?

>webbing drones
Y/N?

>>153444034
No. They're so fucking slow they can't catch shit, and they have stacking penalties. The only useful ewar drones are ecm.

>capacitor

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The feeling of riding your active shield blops into some drone region shitters ass

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caw

>that one depserate faggot who keeps posting his L4 raven

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Remember to keep it classy.

>>153355278
Scorpion-chan is cute!

>>153418293
You are aware that this 60 dps applies perfectly on even frigates?

Just because your tormentor does 150 paper dps doesn't mean he applies all of that, all the time. The missiles do.

The only good raven is a hyperspatial raven to surprise people with the speed when in a small gang roam.

[Raven, Hyperspatial Raven]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Micro Jump Drive
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I x 6
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


Infiltrator II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile x864
Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Missile x257
Nanite Repair Paste x64

>>153449862
But you also have to shell out for warp speed implant

>>153444167
What about energy neutralizing drone?

Sure they suck by themselves, but lets assume you are able to neut something dry, wouldn't they do a good job to prevent the enemy ship's natural cap regen from activating their resistance modules?

>>153449862
>yfw its a drake

>>153449594
Try a condor and a torm and tell me again about your perfect application

>>153449968
They would, but it's still pretty shit when you could have lights instead

>>153449594
navy rockets apply better than missiles, and yet they need a web for 100% damage, 2 in lowsec since everyone has an afterburner.

>using missiles

can I still sell stuff at jita or do people only use citadels now?
i cant be bothered to log in anymore

>>153451805
yes, everything in jita died, stay logged off you fuccboi

>>153451805
Why do you need to know where you should sell stuff if you don't log in anyway?

For the moment most stuff is still bought/sold at jita. It's mostly high value/low cargo items like plex and injectors that get traded on citadels.

>>153451960
thank you

>>153451805
>>153451960
and by the way that citadel is in its final reinforcement stagrright now. I think it comes out this weekend and it will likely get blown up, so RIP 0.1% tax

>>153452109
Is it still that IWI dude in his retarded quest?

Fucking jews won. Gevlon was right.

>>153452250
Shut the fuck off gevlon

>>153452218
I don't know but it's very likely. I expect you will see an IWI citadel go up in perimeter about 24hours before the other one explodes so he can take over the business.

I really hope highsec "mercs" get their shit together and burn it down out of principle, but fat chance of that happening.

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>I really hope highsec "mercs" get their shit together and burn it down out of principle

>>153452550
Who else can potentially wreck it in highsec?

>>153452484
He's been doing this for a good while. His alleged reason was to make markets spread out. What will happen is people will putting up fortizars with higher tax and they will likely pay themselves before they can explode

>>153452618
anyone?
just deploy through WHs
though nullbears are typically too braindead for it

>>153452731
You're >implying nullbabs and whshitters will want to move that far.

Highsec elite pvp'ers all camp the jita hub so they're literally one jump away.

>>153452824
yeah but they dock up when something is capable of shooting back, like a citadel

>>153452886
A highsec citadel's defences against subcaps is pretty piss poor m8.

No void bombs, no point defense, and the damage to subcaps is pathetic.

>>153452704
Thinking he has enough influence to change such an ingrained thing.

>>153453742
Influence? No, I doubt Joe the Trader is going to give a shit about him or his affiliation.

But paying 0.1% tax instead of 2.0% (at best) and with contracts working... people might consider moving into the citadel if he proves he can defend them from attackers.

>no catgirl caldari gf to fly widow with your Sin

>>153453948
No one actually moves assets to them, it's just traders making ranged orders so that they reach Jita. They aren't going to give a fuck about having to take a small warp every 2 weeks as they fortizar dies.

>>153454149
There have been instances where I purchased from citadels 'within 1 jump' and the stuff was delivered to the citadel itself.

It was actually kind of annoying because I expected them to all be sold in jita.

>>153452731
No non-HS entity will bother with the autistic system that are HS wars. You can'T just randomly 3rd party on it.

>>153455745
Actually you can if you ally in an existing war.

Takes 4 hours before you can shoot it I think.

>>153452886
>citadel that's anchoring
>shooting back
It'd be perfect for elite highsec pvpfags to murder a defenseless target.

>>153455891
Yeah, you have to CLICK some bullshit buttons to take part in honorabru hs autism. You can't just randomly crash the party.

>>153455991
Yeah it's not like these citadels have timers so you know exactly when to crash the party or anything

>>153455991
>literally admitting that nullbabbers are too dumb to plan something 4 hours in advance

>>153458738
how much extra dps?

>>153433028
Is there any problem with this idea?

>>153458818
233 vs 307 with 2 BCS and faction ammo

361 with t2

I really want the fucking IWI idiot's citadel and plan get BTFO

hisec campinjg shitters adn wardeckers get your act together

>>153459529
Wat. Did you forget to fit half of your torpedo launchers?

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>>153459529
I didn't check the proper damage type, btw

537 with faction

>that guy who thinks t2 ammo is just more damage

>muh scorch

Someone is trying to convince me that there is a cruise missile meta. Is he correct? I thought the hypothetical cruise fleets died out 2years ago

>there is a meta

why do we have to talk about this

>>153460387
go back to ratting wasn't trying to convince you anything

>>153460387
Yeah those cruise missile machariel fleets are a real pain in the dick.

>>153459743
>as if literally anything here implies that
230 DPS sure is helpful for BSs though.

>>153460614
That 230 dps is with all skills at 5 though, so you would need like another 2 months of training to get torpedo spec 5.

>she doesn't have torpedo spec 5

>she doesn't have a max skilled character
how.poor.ru

>>153460717
4 spec vs 5 is like 2% damage.

Why is gallente fw so empty?

LMAO F2P

>>153461562
Lull.

At least we would get new people to shoot if it went F2P.

Getting real tired of facing the same shitters again and again.

>>153461562
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/introducing-clone-states-and-the-future-of-access-to-eve-online/

L M A O

>>153461673
>if

>>153461695

CATALYSTS ALTS!

>they made EVE F2P before removing SP
Well, I guess I can stop posting about it now. Still the shit option. What are they going to do, sell more clothes?

/v/ thread?