/eog/ - EVE Online General

>still no chrono battleships that can rewind time
shit game

jesus christ ded general

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dont die dog

This game is shit and you're all niggers

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>tfw killed a pilgrim, sin and redeemer using a single rep hyperion with 2 cap injectors.
>tfw everyone goes for max rep amount instead of rep time.

>>153135739
Link redeemer

>>153135739
>Having any cap with a sin, redeemer and curse on you even with 2 cap boosters
Sure thing anon
And I killed an arty vagabond with my shuttle

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>>153135739

>>153134194
So what did you lose?

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>>153137168

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>>153136374
I killed the pilgrim, then the sin, redeemer came last. By the time I was shooting the redeemer I was back in to cap stability.

Remember that t2 large rep uses 400gj of cap per cycle so I used 400gj boosters instead of 800 because if I used 800 and got the bad end of a neut cycle I'd not have any cap and have wasted a 800 booster. By using 400 boosters I can fit more in and outlast the neuting pressure by staggering how much I lose at any time.

So I ran both boosters at the beginning of the fight and by the time I killed the redeemer I was using 1 booster and just cycling the other when needed.

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>>153139362

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>>153139362
>>153139578
Coincidentally I experimented with using single rep deimos and that worked really well too.

>non-ancillary rep
>2 cap boosters
>t2 rigs
>nanobots instead of aux pumps
>no meme web

>>153139798
>aux pumps on ships with native rep amount bonuses, implying the main advantage of shield reps isnt faster cycle times meaning more responsiveness and less likelihood to be volleyed between reps.

>2 cap boosters because you know you will be fighting neuts, neuts being the primary method of disabling a bs

>t2 rigs because they're not that expensive if you know who to buy from
>wanted to demonstrate you don't need dedspace shit to achieve brilliance, see deimos vs vindicator kill

>thinking rep amount bonuses make rep rigs worse somehow
>volleyed between reps in a battleship

>neuts being the primary method of disabling a bs

I don't see neuts that much, I just see plain overpowered ships. there'll be a couple of cruisers on field, except they won't be the honest 30-40k ehp 500 dps brawlers you want to see, they'll be meme tanked t3cs or 800 dps ranged gilas. or logi I guess

>le funny single shitfitted t1 cruiser piloted by a scrub making all friendly ships completely immune to soloers meme

>>153139704
>3 eanms
>5 plates
>5 trimarks

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>>153141972
>15 guns

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How to fix EVE:
>hisec
Forced green safety
>lowsec
Concord engages only when you pod someone
>nullsec
Concord only engages when evil pvpers are killing hardworking ratters

>>153139578
>>153139704
You are aware this opsec bullshit is pointless?

If I want I can go look at the killboards right now, filter by hyperion and unless this kill happened literal months ago, I'm going to find it within 5 minutes?

>>153144374
I already looked

>have a game that's over a decade old
>still haven't found a way to avoid having to restart the server daily
Can ccp do anything right?

>>153139578
what a trash fit lmao

>tfw t1 rig dual rep one reps more and is cheaper

>>153145720
You'd rather them do it like WoW where if they have a roll back you lose 3 weeks worth of work instead of a single days?

>dockfags and pvebabbies talking about solo pvp

>>153146594
I doubt their rollback system is tied to downtime. As far as I know only a few mechanics are tied to it like the respawning of the asteroid belts and the hardening of server nodes.

Even if it did, they've had 12 years to implement a better system.

>>153146594
I can't remember ever losing work to a rollback in wow and I lost years of my life to that game.

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>>153146564
>it caps out faster
>dual rep inspires overconfidence
>hyperion extremely rarely used ship because it dies too easy for reasons already mentioned
>still ignoring how 530mil worth of hyperion killed 4 opponents including a recon and 2x BLOPS solo.

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>its good if you have implants

>>153147184
>navy cap booster 200

stop being bad at eve lmao

>>153147184
I dont see anything strange with 1active tanked huperion killing most likely shit fited blops (you wouldnt be able to kill active tanked blopses, so they were with shield extenders/plates)

>tfw people are idiots

Does energized armor layering membrane take into account only the base hp or it includes plates?

>>153147448
I can see why you would use 200's in certain circumstances.

Better against neuts, etc

>>153147953
Not really. Cycle time is exactly the same. Using smaller charges means you are getting your capacitor slower and activation cost of large armor repairer is 400gj, so you need to cycle both at the same time, you would do better with cap booster 400.

>>153148080
If you are under neut pressure you can inject more times with a 200. Yes the 400 will get you more cap in one go but it will get neuted out again, rendering it useless.

In most cases 400's are the better choice but against neuts 200 are always better.

>>153148192
>_>
Using 2cap boosters to get 400gj rather than 1 to get it (you need 400gj to cycle your rep, you obviously need more since your weapons and tackle uses cap) is just stupid. Seriously if you are so tempted to use 200 then use 200 and 400, smallest cap boosters are just bad on battleships.

>>153148298
Oh definitely in the specific case of a large rep that requires 400gj yeah then this is pretty retarded.

But you replied to a demos, not a hyperion fit m8. A medium rep requires 160? 180? gj leaving you some left for firing your guns.

200 are the correct choice in this case.

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>>153147448
>lmao
enjoy having half my cap life thanks to running out of boosters.
>>153147953
The whole point of neuts is that they're the counter to cap injected fits. If you go for the max size booster you can fit and you boost, then get neuted out, you will have 15-20s of time where you can't boost again.

Medium armour repper II used 160gj per boost, it's activation time in that build is 5.76s meaning that some of your repping is based on regen, some of it on boosting.

>>153148489
the guy replied to me saying that hyperion was shit fited.

>>153147184
Upgrade 1 or both of those injectors to t2, you get cap stability off one booster. It would quite literally require a curse or some other ship with 3+ small neuts to shut this deimos off.

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>>153147312
Those implants weren't enabled you spastic.
>>153148791
>>153147184
There is an alternate fit for those who might consider it. This fit is no implants, just a standard exile. Your cycle time on reps goes up to 9s but since you have 2 you can stagger them. If you fight an enemy who is just a dps machine you might get away with one injector, the second injector is for use against neuters in which case I'd suggest activating one, then activating the second injector after 1 full cycle of the first injector so you can always boost as the 1st injector reloads.

Can somebody send me a trial invitation to -> [email protected]?

>>153151549
sent

>>153151549
Reminder not to believe they will give you half the worth of a plex if you sub.

Especially people on eog.

Reminder not to believe what anyone on /eog/ says.

Especially phil above me.

>>153152408
Well I said I would and he has my character name in game so yea I'm going to because I don't need the money. I'll just give him some 500m isk then use that plex for my own services

>>153152539
>implying you didn't give him a fake name

>>153152629
Its in the "Invite a buddy" step where I choose a character he can contact. Theres no getting around that

>>153152408
wait, half? I was always just adding them 30d gametime

>>153152910
A plex is not the same as a subscription to the game

plex are 20 dollars, where a 1 month subscription is 15 dollars

plex are used for tons of different in game services one of them IS giving you 30 days to your game time

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Hey guys, so I won whiptail some time ago, and I was wondering if this fit is ok

>>153153819
Using a T1 sebo when you could be using a shady is a bit suspect but otherwise it looks ok.

>>153153960
Moron. He should use t2 one wtf

>>153153819
>guns on whiptail
>hammerhead

>>153155709
>fitting light drones when you can fit medium
git gud

>>153155808
I hope you are only pretending to be retarded

>>153155957
So valkyrie would be better?

>>153156183
Smaller drones are more bandwidth efficient. Two lights do more damage than one medium.

>>153156297
>tfw you can't launch 25 light drones at once anymore

>>153156183
>bonuses to light drones

>>153156436
Wow this game stupid, but this ship is only 100mln, so it's worth a try i guess.

I feel very poor in this game. I have like 10m :/

>>153157002
Is that because you're new or because you're retarded?

Let's discuss links - why they are good and why they are bad.

I think links themselves are a response to some perceived need for a 'commander' class of starship'. If you notice the kinds of classes that can fit links on has been trending downwards not up, in my opinion the only ships that should be allowed to use more than 1 link at any time is a capital ship.

As for those people abusing links in lowsec there are two key factors here; there's the "why not" crowd who logically attain every measurable advantage they can for maximum leverage and then there is the people who turn to links because they feel like links would finally allow them to overcome that fear of loss which pervasively invades low-income players minds. So they turn to links to give them that last bit of edge to stop them from dying.

>>153157109
My trial+first month is ending right now.

>>153157167
I made enough to PLEX during that time through a combination of manufacturing, exploration, and station trading. Git gud.

>>153157386
You are right, eve players are idiots. I still cant belive that there are players who player year and longer and still dont own atleast a supercarier lmao

>>153157167
Get a vexor and run some combat anomalies.

>>153157167
start minning, rocks are free and morons still buy them

>>153157167
There are several options available to you.

First of all, you should be in a corporation. NPC corps don't count. Then get your faggoty corpmates tell you how to get money.

Assuming they are really stupid or you can't join a corp for whatever reason, I'd suggest you either make your way up to lvl 3 then 4 missions or go hunting for escalations in highsec, then lowsec until you figure out enough about combat mechanics to go do something better.

>>153158314
I was thinking about joining Shadow Cartel, they are kewl

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>tfw you and your allies are winning control over aeschee with no contest from Cucks Cartel side.

So ez game lmao

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>>153158420

>>153158420
I worked with them a couple years back. They're alright, but they are lowsec people and lowsec is MAXIMUM gay.

>winning control
>mfw npc stations

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>lowsecks

Press F1 to elite nullsec pvp

>deleting post because he left his namefagging in

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>Minmatar

Should they introduce a t2 RAH?

I mean, why not, just give it 17.5% per resist base instead of 15%

>>153161812
I doubt CCP even remembers these things exist.

>>153161812
'why not' isn't really a good reason

>>153161812
What's a RAH?

>>153161812
Because none of the other prototype inferno modules have a T2 version. Really sucks because a T2 RAH would really make them worth using

RAH's suck because its based on damage received, not the amount of damage done so having a flight of drones that's opposite of your primary damage type is really good for fucking up the resist pattern

>>153162704
Reactive Armor Hardener, its good if your enemy does only one damage type but its easy to fuck up the resists

>>153162810
this kind of thinking triggers me a bit. if you want the RAH to be better, why are you asking for a new version to be made, rather than just buffing it

or you could just ignore it, because it's a complicated and fairly shitty module

>>153162947
>this kind of thinking triggers me a bit. if you want the RAH to be better, why are you asking for a new version to be made, rather than just buffing it
Well an easy way to buff the RAH is change the way it works from damage received to amount of damage so you can't fuck up the resists by using off-damage drones

>>153162947
I will give you that it's a needlessly complicated module.

That said I don't think it's shitty. It's armor resistance that ignores stacking penalties. It's got less fitting requirements than a damage control and gives the same base resistances (to armor), with the added bonus of shifting its resist profile which can be very helpful in solo fights.

But it really shouldn't need cap to activate. That's what kills it, like 50 cap per cycle. It's a low module slot for fucks sake why is it consuming cap?

>why does my armour rep use cap guys it's a low slot module

>>153163552
what?

>>153163434
Its shitty because the resists can be fucked with really easy

say you're in a drake, you're firing Explosive missiles at a guy with a RAH

he suddenly has 60% resist to explosive

A good way to fuck with his resists is put your dinky acolyte's on him and suddenly he's only getting 30% explosive and 30% to EM

Its not based on damage amount, its based on damage received.

It'd be a great module if it distributed resists based on amount of each damage and proportioned resists on that but it just doesn't

that and its only 30/30 which isn't that great to begin with, a regular EANM, while only 25%to each, its more stable and better when taking on more than one guy

>>153163552
Armour resistance modules don't use cap you twat. They even removed it from the damage control. Why should this one?

>>153164041
he said Armor repairer

and even then, Hardeners still use cap, and those dumb capital flex mods use cap too

>>153164041
>what are armour hardeners

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>>153164041

>>153163996
You act like gaining 30%/30% armor resist for one low slot is a bad thing. An EANM only gives 20%. But yes they really should make it adapt to the amount of damage received if they want to make its use more wide-spread.

yeah or we could just forget about RAHs instead because who cares

Why is there no passive shield invuln?

>>153164726
There are, just not for omni resistances.

>>153164372
>You act like gaining 30%/30% armor resist for one low slot is a bad thing.
because its rarely 30/30, hybrid turrets is 2 thermal/kinetic but one set of warriors reduces resists to 20/20/20/0

projectile weapons do 3 damage types not including a 4th that could come from drones so its 15/15/15/15 at worst

its so easy to fuck with the resists its not good for anything beyond solo really

>>153164726
because shield and armour are not supposed to be the same

>>153164914
I literally said INVULN you dumb nigger.

>>153164372
>An EANM only gives 20%
a T2 EANM gives 25% at level 5 comp skills

>tfw Drake navy issue is the worst navy bc

>>153165050
because then Armor would need an active omni-resist

the RAH is not a substitute for that

>>153165093
Doesn't that skill also apply to reactive hardeners?

>>153165297
No, it only affects passive modules like Adaptive Nano Platings or Energized adaptive membranes and all passive flavor hardeners like Energized explosive membranes

>>153165397
Well fuck me. I always thought they did.

Guess they're not worth using them then pretty much ever

does this mean we can finally stop talking about them

>>153165834
They actually used to give passive bonuses through active hardeners

if your active hardener was on you got 55% to the resist but if it was off you still got a portion of that resist via the compensation skill. Same with shield hardeners but not anymore

Daily Reminder that the moros has no advantages over the naglfar

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>check out moros interbus skin, hoping it'll be qt like pic related
>it's just 90% shit grey with some yellow patches

>>153167303
That looks more like 90% shit yellow with some gray patches to me

>>153167525
100% kys

>>153167629
As opposed to 99% kys?

>>153167303
Roden shipyards is superior.

>>153169081
still 90% shit grey

>>153139362
I'm still waiting for the kms.
I have not found a single Hyperion involved in a sin or redeemer kill for 1 month.

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>enter lowsec
>realize I forgot to bring capacitor potions for my ancillary shield booster

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Guys, how do I respond to this?

>>153170712
I bet someone is going to actually take this bait.

>>153170894
it's likely going to be a samefag m8

>>153170769
Tell him you'll double his isk.

>>153170769
Tell him to go study biochemistry because I can't think of a way to force triptophan into DMT without some really weird and inefficient shit.

its easier to make DMT through cough medicine and you'll make way more of it

>>153171343
DMT is produced from tryptophan in really decent percentages actually.

>>153171527
yea but at what concentrations and actual mass ratios can you form DMT from tryptophan compared to producing DMT from cough syrup

I'm pretty sure the concentration of DMT in cought syrup is a lot higher than in some supplement pill you get off amazon

>>153171776
About 50g from 450g tryptophan (some $50)l

>>153172038
thats not very efficient, you're losing a lot of product

your mass yield should be near 100%

how much do the chemicals cost to run this synthesis?

>>153172120
50g of DMT for $50 is outsanding. Tryptophan is just an amino acid -- it's not as if price or availability is a thing.

>how much do chemicals cost
I have no idea.

There are higher yields though:
https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/tryptamine2dmt.html

>>153172259
I mean you're losing 89% your mass of tryptophan to make DMT, you really should be having 90+% yields, not 11%

Can the two chemistryfags please get a room and suck eachothers dick already

>Cough syrup produces DXM not DMT

>>153172380
This is for EVE because DMT can be the new drug.

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>Day Ones

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Hey, /eog/. Noob coming through, please bear with me.

I have reached the point where I have an okay amount of basic skills trained (2.8 million SP), and I am now training skills that take about a week or two to complete, and I want to speed things up.

I was told that implants that increase perception will make you train skills faster, but these implants are extremely expensive, and I can't afford to lose them once I make enough isk to buy them.

A guy told me that you can use jump clones to fly around, and if you install implants on your medical clone, you can jump clone to another place, and then if you get podded, you won't lose your implants, and you will still get the perception bonuses.

Is this true? It seems a little fishy to me.
If this is correct, how would you go about doing this?

>>153173871
Ok so a clone is more or less like a hat

you can change hats all the time but some hats have certain implants and others don't

so yea you can get a jump clone then put your perception implants in it but if you change out of that clone you don't get the bonus

also if you get destroyed make sure you warp your pod out immediately

>>153173871
>I was told that implants that increase perception will make you train skills faster

Implants vary in cost, from dirt cheap to incredibly expensive. Use the ones that suit you.

And stop mining. I can tell you're mining by how poor you sound,

Firstly perception only helps you with skills that actually use perception. Right click on a skill, click get info and look at the attributes. Perception is generally used for gunnery, missile and spaceship command skills, with willpower as a secondary. +3 and +4 implants are pretty affordable though, even for a new player.

You only get the attribute bonuses from the clone that implants are installed in. If you have a jump clone with implants installed and get podded you will still have the implants on that clone, but they won't give you any benefit until you jump to that clone. It's pretty common for people to have training clones and just use clean clones in any situation where they are likely to be podded.

m8s pls stop being rude in osti

>>153174512
fuck off

>>153174632
grarr stop

>>153173871
There's a lot of wrong in that post.

Each skill has 2 attributes it uses. The higher those attributes are, the faster it trains. If you are training a perception/memory skill and you plug in perception and memory implants, the skills train faster.

You can use jump clones to move to a location instantly by installing your jump clone into a station and then jumping to it.

Each clone has the implants you plug into it, so no, you do not get the benefits of implants plugged into a clone you are not using.

You can avoid losing implants by staying docked in your implant clone and then jumping into a clean jump clone when you undock to do something that can get you podded. You obviously do not get the benefits of the inactive chipped clone when you are flying around in your disposable clean clone.

Also, implants vary by price. Pure +stats implants aren't too expensive if you are using low end ones and you can get such implants as rewards from certain missions.

>>153174696
you're in my territory now, bullying is allowed at all times

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>mfw waffles is losing ships in stacmon due to suspect timer

how shit can you be

>>153174943
>suspect timer
you mean criminal timer?

>>153174943
>2 ibis's
>ganked by some other ships
>because of suspect timer
most of all waffles are -5 or below so yea thats bound to happen

What is going on in Ostingele?

>>153175285
an event

>>153174278
Okay, so let's say my current "clone" has an implant, and I activate my jump clone in high sec. Does that mean my current implants would get destroyed?

>>153174428
I used to mine a tiny bit, but now i'm mostly ratting in a t1 destroyer.

On a side note, I was thinking of making a highsec mining alt and have that alt afk mine 8+ hours a day in a procurer or something. Is this a bad idea?

>>153174494
Okay, I'll take a look at skill requirements.
I can have up to 5 implants installed, right? If I have two +3 perception implants, does that mean my perception bonus goes up to +6, or is there some kind of penalty for two of the same implants?

>If you have a jump clone with implants installed and get podded you will still have the implants on that clone, but they won't give you any benefit until you jump to that clone
Could you explain a little more to me about that? I'm still fuzzy on the details.
Let's say my home station is A, and I have implants. From A, I jump into clone at station B. I lose my implants and bonuses. If I get podded, and appear back at station A, do I get my implants and bonuses back, because I went back to the clone that had them installed?

>>153175601
>Does that mean my current implants would get destroyed?
No those implants stay with that clone

>>153175601
>two of the same implants?
you can only run 1 of every implant

so if you have two perception implants, one is +3 and the other is +4, you can't have both for +7, you can only choose between the +3 OR the +4

>learning corps
>teaching newbies stupid incorrect shit

why is this still a thing

>>153174780
I see, that makes a lot of sense, thanks.

So, to install implants to get that benefit, should I go to my home station, dock up, and install them there, and then jump clone out?

Also, If I am in my skill training clone, and log out of the game, will I still get the skill bonuses?

Also, let's say I jump into a clean clone to go fight, but let's say I don't get podded. How do I get back to my skill training clone before logging off?

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>xhe still doesn't deal drifter boosters

>>153176221
>tfw you tried to watch lain but got very creeped out on episode 10 and had to drop the show

want a qt trap bf to watch scary anime with...

>>153175601
>Is this a bad idea?

It's a waste of time and effort. You can make more money doing literally anything else for a smaller amount of time.

>>153175861
>So, to install implants to get that benefit, should I go to my home station, dock up, and install them there, and then jump clone out?
I'm not sure what the home station has to do with it, but that is how it works. Just keep in mind that, if you plug in implants and jump to a different clone, you aren't currently getting the benefits of those implants until you jump back into your implant clone.

>Also, If I am in my skill training clone, and log out of the game, will I still get the skill bonuses?
Yes

>Also, let's say I jump into a clean clone to go fight, but let's say I don't get podded. How do I get back to my skill training clone before logging off?
Oh, now I get what you mean.
If you jump into an installed jump clone, you can jump into your old clone like you would into any jump clone - they are all treated the same.
When you die, you respawn in a brand new clean clone. Installing a jump clone in your home station does not interact with the respawn mechanic in any way.

>>153176697
OK, it's clear to me now, thank you for the help.

>>153177234
One more thing to keep in mind is that there's a timer between jumping clones.
I think it's 22 or 24 hours or something like that.
Basically, count on jumping into a jump clone once a day.

ccp mimic primary m8s

>meme event going on 10 jumps away
>mfw 20% tidi

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>25% bonus to Small Energy Turret falloff range

>A Bounty on Siegmund Ingvalt has Been Claimed
can you please just die again and stop giving me your shitty losses?
What a mistake that was.
you can't even stay alive while whoring on everything

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>15% reduction in Missile Launcher reload time

>the suicide awareness dread sucides

>suicide awareness

wish they'd stop this shit, it's embarassing

>>153186736
gotta pretend to be normalfag

>there are people alive and breathing in this very own general that will travel over 30 jumps, half in 10% tidi to just F1 on a ship to boost their pathetic killboard addiction just to lose their ship to a blob

>>153187030
This game would be so much better without killmails

https://zkillboard.com/kill/55802047/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/55801953/

>ccp in charge of playing their own game

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>>153187030
>mfw nullbabby napfest blobbing description

>30 jumps

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>that one guy who did travel 30 jumps got podded and didn't get on the killmail

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>unironically flying a phobos

>tfw there are people in this general that don't know kb stats are the only reason to pvp
>mfw people looking for "gudfites"

>that one guy who travels 30 jumps to f1 in tidi now defending his bottomfeeder eve activity

>that one jelly fag who didn't get on the mail

>jelly fag with 10 times better killboard than you without ever whoring on designated donated ship events
suure pal

>tfw there's some kind of event going on again and you have no idea as to what everyone is talking about but can't really be bothered to check.

>>153188071
Dank OC.

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>barghest

>i don't need no killboards guys i swear
>I-I have better KB than you!!!

>a-arguments!!

>mfw napfest blobbers still defending their botter tier activity

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>tfw zkillboard is fucked now so can't see my dank honorabru solo roamer kills

thanks blobfags

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng_nQ-T4uAM

>le funny voice reddit linkfag

>le mad jelly fag butthurt he can't be popular

>reddit tier popularity
>something to be jealous of

m8

>tf you get your ass rammed by PL on the thunderdome server
Fucking fags with their OP AT ships.

>tfw wrecking nubs with my Freki

What's the ship fit under 25M with the best target selection?

>>153194756
A rapid light cancercal.

Pick on all the frigates and run away from everything else.

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>run away from everything else
>that implication

>frigs only
>best target selection
Haha what

>>153195315
I'm getting a shitty cap with an extender and invul. Do I have to fit cap rigs on it?

>>153196019
Post your fit.

where the FUCK do i go to buy a god damn +3 implant bpo?

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>>153196871

>that guy who thinks target selection is the most important thing

>not realising it means dick if you can't dictate your engagements

>>153197409
fuck off wulfy

>rapid light cancer

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>35 second reload
>nullbabbies will defend this

Does CCP even play this fucking game?
https://zkillboard.com/kill/55801572/

>>153197337

Caracals have shit cap. Drop the web for a small cap booster.

Is it safe to mine in midsec?

In what?

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>midsec

>>153202956
If you mean low sec then yes. Everyone will respect you for taking such a non aggressive career path and supplying the market and leave you alone to make bank.

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caw

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>>153204207
>no skin

nice samefag

>>153197337
the web is pretty useless, you should just put a cap booster in there

Is Anonymous the best player in /eog/?

>>153203849
Not lowsec midsec 0.5 and 0.6. Is it worth the risk? Will people kill me?

>>153206193
people can kill you in any space

>0,5-0,6
Stll hisec. Who cares.

>>153205361
no it isn't, you can drop frigates massively faster with a web, and stop them escaping

>>153206381
This. IDK.

>>153206381
a frig will never get within 10km of your caracal especially when the caracal has 60km range.

you're a kiting ship and no amount if AB frigs somehow getting on top of you is gonna stop you from applying a significant portion of your max paper DPS because Light Missiles apply so well to frigs

>>153206257
Where can I mine then? I thought Highsec and Midsec were somewhat safe.

>>153206916
They are

but you can still get killed in all of them

>>153206770
>a frig will never get within 10km of your caracal especially when the caracal has 60km range

sometimes you want them to

>you're a kiting ship

yeah without a web you certainly are

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How memey is this?

>>153206970
>sometimes you want them to
No because you can easily haze them from any range out to 60km easily for near max DPS at all times, if they're AB fit they negate barely 30% the DPS but they're still getting ass raped at any range out to 60km. They'll never catch you since you're MWD fit.

>caracal
>if I put a web on it, that means its brawling if I don't that means its kiting
fuck off with this retarded shit

>>153207140
yea it looks ok, interesting idea but you don't run both ancil reps at the same time

run one rep at a time and when one is on reload you use the other

pop blue-pill boosters really help

>>153206970
>he thinks kiting means scramweb kite memebullshit

>>153207141
>oh look this stiletto just scrammed me
>if only I had a web so I could apply massive damage to him and hinder his escape, but instead I fitted a cap booster so he's going to escape or tackle me until I die

>lol guys I'm going to kite you at 60km, I don't need to point anyone because I only fight vs pandemic horde because I'm pro

>barely 30%, because nobody ever overheats right, and mwd sig bonuses don't exist

>>153207317
>he isn't killing himself irl

>>153207281
It has a blue pill. The drifter version.

>>153207141
>out to 60k
They warp..

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>>153207417
You literally don't play this game. Wtf are you talking about.

>>153207417
>>oh look this stiletto just scrammed me
You fucking nail it with your RLML's because that thing isn't going fast at all if its trying to hold a scram on you

>I need a web to apply massive damage
you already apply 90% your damage, that stilleto's speed and sig doesn't save it at all if its running a MWD at sub 2km/s speeds you stupid ass, its scramming you, you beat the pulp out of it for greater than 250dps EASY. A web is redundant and hardly helps you at all.

>the MWD sig bonus makes him immune to RLML's
even with the sig bonus you still apply a wicked amount of your DPS because RLML's apply great to frig size targets

>>153207595
fine, tackle is gone, work on something else

>>153207628
>because that thing isn't going fast at all if its trying to hold a scram on you

le fighting bads meme

>90%

le fighting bads meme

you also failed to address the point about being aggressive and preventing people from just leaving whenever it suits them, I guess because you're just a kitebabby who can't deal with that shit

>brawling with a caracal

>>153207774
>le fighting bads meme
congrats when you've delved from replying with poorly educated stupid shit to literally retarded bullshit because you've run out of arguments.
>preventing people from leaving
you have a point, that stilleto took a long time to burn to you it should have died before ever getting scram. And even if it did scram you its not going to last long when 1-2 more volleys removes it from the field entirely. If you somehow let it into scram range and it tries to hold an orbit its not going fast at all, your RLML's apply perfectly to low speed shit with a huge sig (protip, that MWD sig bonus doesn't help when you're going sub 2500 just to hold that scram orbit.

Your web is redundant as fuck and doesn't help you doing shit

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I only get 200DPS with hobs. Should I just fly another cruiser?

>>153208308
what ship?

>>153208353

>>153197337

>>153208423
yea you should just fly another ship, do you even have good missile and caldari cruiser skills?

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>>153208505
It's only a 30 DPS loss. It's not as if it's getting 350.

>>153208695
>rapid launch to 3
get that to 4 also get warhead upgrades to 4

>>153208156
>that stiletto took a long time to burn to you

so you never jump gates or jump wormholes or warp to places that possibly have bubbles, or do anything? when you want to fight someone, is your first move to warp to a random celestial and start burning away? it's fucking retarded, how do you get anything done being so gay and defensive

and I think I could quite comfortably make a 60km burn in a stiletto and hold a caracal for plenty of time. you realise shooting interceptors like this, you will kill maybe 1 tackle ceptor before you have to reload, if he lets you and doesn't just bail or burn to 60km and let you waste your remaining missiles without even hitting

congrats on just being wrong this entire time. you can't kill good ab frigates effectively because they mitigate 50% of your damage, you can't prevent anyone from just leaving whenever they feel like, and you've gimped yourself just to compensate for your terrible cap management skills

keep killing horde atrons :^)

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>>153208842
This isn't a missile character, but I guess I don't have much else to train in perc/will except BS.

>>153209181
>not a missile character
>torpedoes to V

>>153209117
>jump a gate
haze that fucker immediately, thats a fucking mistake if the stiletto did.

>warp to something and burn away
haze the important shit first which is the tackle that'll ruin your strategy.
a fucking web won't help you in any of these situations because its redundant

>NO GUYS THAT STILETTO IS IMMUNE TO RLML's how do I possibly get rid of him off me when he's scramming no no the ONLY way to kill him is if I had a web theres simply no other way.

You're a fucking retard, that web isn't doing jack shit for you, a cap booster is still better in every way for maintaining your kite

>>153209117
>how do you get anything done being so gay and defensive

this is the optimal way to be isk efficient though :^)

>>153209391
Muh stealth.

>>153209427
Caracal killing a ceptor is already isk green.

>>153209404
I like the capital letter strawman meme, it's epic

>haze that fucker immediately

how though? you only apply 1/3 of your dps to a lone stiletto without heat. and the point was that he doesn't have to make the 'long 60km burn' which is retarded btw, a stiletto can point at 36km and goes many km/s, because you aren't 60km away at all times

>maintaining your kite

m8 just warp away, you have to reload for 40 seconds anyway after taking that stiletto to low shields

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>>153204207
>>153205186
Did someone say Raven?

>>153209836
>tfw seabeast torp raven lands on your mining op and just volleys everything

>>153209709
>how though?
With your fucking RLML's you stupid shit, RLML's are the direct hard counter to any and ALL frigs

>you only apply 1/3rd the damage
if he's going 6km/s which he fucking won't, if he's scramming you and holding you theres no way he can hold a scram doing 6km/s around you at sub 15km. A web doesn't help you at all in this case still.

>he can point at 36km
doing 6km/s in a circle? doubtful, any slower than 4k and you're applying a significant amount of your DPS and that thing has NO tank, it'll die in a few volleys easy.

>you have to warp after reloading because 20 volleys only took him to low shields
nah m8, at max skills you have 22000 damage to dish out in raw alpha over those 20 volleys, he has barely 6k at MOST

>>153204207
that ship looks far better from far than from close

>>153207417

>oh look I ran out of cap after 90 seconds and all my mods turned off

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>arty
>vag

>>153209960
not that anon but the only ceptor thats going to go for a caracal is one with lots of backup, or hes dumb

>>153210364
>oh shit guys I got tackle quick!
>fuck I died so quick

>>153209960
I'm literally looking at eft right now

>stiletto
>mse and restrained mwd
>nano and overdrive
>no heat

>faction rlml caracal applies 99 dps out of 335 dps

it will be probably about that in reality because people don't go full speed all the time, but on the other hand overheat exists

your total damage with that reduction, from a full reload is not enough to kill a stiletto. if you factor in some drone dps you probably can, but again he would just bail

the point with the web is you can punish people coming into scram range looking for some driveby scrams to slow you down to make it easier for their gang to get to you or whatever. if you don't have one, they can just walk all over you and do whatever they feel like

>>153210364
The fucker thats whining about a stilleto is shoe horning that his dumb web fit will somehow make him survive a gate camp in that scenario you described

>shield ceptors
>hey guys i love having this massive sig radius
>oh no im died

>>153210438
>>153210364
a linked ceptor can permanently tank a caracal
same with garmur and all those fast frigs
most caracals never ever carry precision missiles
but the web caracal anon is retarded, no ceptor would ever get that close for no reason other than a quick driveby scram and the web is not gonna slow the ceptor fast enough, he can very easily just coast away

>>153210572
that's me, and get your eyes checked or learn to read or whatever

>>153210640
>le AAR malediction meme

I love killing these. like 90% of malediction losses have a fully loaded AAR, it's hilarious they're such trash

>>153210537
>its burning straight at me and its somehow holding me at 5-6km/s
>that means I'm only doing 99 dps at sub 10km guys I need the web

>>153210572
yea web on a caracal is dumb. I hope he flys it though, someone has to fly around with dumb fits for the rest of us to laugh at.

>>153210727
>90% of malediction losses have a fully loaded AAR
putting shit pilots in a good fit does not make the fit bad

>>153210537
that stilleto is never getting that close to you ever, if its gonna scram it'll scram but you're too fucking stupid to realize that the web is doing dick and you somehow think the stilleto is going that fast in an orbit around you you're stupid regardless

>>153210917
it is a shit fit though it has no buffer and doesn't have the cap to use the rep while on grid. all it can do is tackle solo cruisers and shit

and I'm not going to fly a caracal because I'm not a fag

>>153210909
what, your damage isn't going to magically increase at 10km if you don't have a web or a scram

>>153211053
no your stupid. the web can help you, the cap booster does nothing, and there are more engagements than you lone caracal vs a tackle stiletto whose gang is 3 jumps out

>what is speed/sig tank

>>153210640
>armor plate ceptors
>oh guise I died to a svipul being able to chase me down

>resist armor ceptors
>oh guise I died to still having countless holes with no buffer

>active armor ceptors
>oh guise I died before my AAR even used half its charges because no cap

>asb shield ceptor
>massive burst of repairs at absolutely no cost

>buffer shield ceptors
>sup just moving at the speed of light and taking no damage from anything even with high than normal sig

>>153211134
>what, your damage isn't going to magically increase at 10km if you don't have a web or a scram
actually yea it will because he has to slow way down just to hold that scram, if he's that close and that slow he's dead in the water instantly

>>153211134
>no your stupid. the web can help you, the cap booster does nothing, and there are more engagements than you lone caracal vs a tackle stiletto whose gang is 3 jumps out
the cap booster keeps you going, you only have a minute and 30 seconds of cap.

You keep bullshit about this lone stilleto that somehow has a fleet behind it that never arrives

you then interjected some retarded thing about a gate camp and yet you somehow think a web will make you survive that gate camp anyway, even thought the web is redundant and that fleet on that hole or gate aggressors you regardless

>>153210726

This.

Solo caracal is only good for hazing retards in T1 frigs.

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>>153211362

>guys don't you know what sig is?
>taking 2% more damage is totally not worth the 50% increase in hp

>>153211318
implying he needs to hold the scram and not just driveby you occasionally you fuck your speed up

1m30s is plenty of time, and it's actually way more than that if you aren't incompetent

>You keep bullshit about this lone stilleto that somehow has a fleet behind it that never arrives

it's your bullshit that the fleet never arrives. tackling a lone caracal in an interceptor is laughably easy. it's part of the cap booster caracal shitter's faggotry that this interceptor won't have backup on grid fast enough to take over tackling. in reality it will and you'll die

>you then interjected some retarded thing about a gate camp

I literally never said anything related to gatecamps at any point in this conversation

>wasting a precious mid slot for a web in a caracal, a ship that uses the best application to cost ratio guns in the game
>wasting precious tank when so many svipuls are running around
>giving a svipul a free kill just because you are too retarded to fit enough tank to fend off svipuls just because the ceptor boogeyman might tackle you

>>153211573
>well I couldn't break tackle, so now I'm getting fucked up by 10 guys

>but hey at least I've got my invuln so I last another 3 seconds of my 40 second reload

>>153211559
>implying he needs to hold the scram and not just driveby you occasionally you fuck your speed up
if it drives by you then its doing fucking nothing especially if it crosses your path at 6km/s its gonna leave scram range in less than a few seconds easily. Hero scrams and drive-by scrams are only used for shit like stopping MJD's or getting off targets that haven't been currently tackled

either way even if you attempt to web it, it'll just coast right through before losing any significant speed so your web doesn't do fuck at all.

>plenty of time
except thats 1m30s at full cap which you probably won't be since you're warping around between gates and stuff, its more like barely a minute. Your engagement time is extremely short when you have to squeeze all that into 1 minute and thats assuming you go straight to zero and if you do that you're dead regardless so I don't know why you somehow think its worth it when its obviously not

>>153211505
>conveniently ignoring the word solo

>>153211816
you're trying to burn away from a point where some gang you're imagining will jump in or warp in. if someone is turning off your mwd, it slows you down. this isn't hard

>warping around gates and stuff

train warp drive operation or something m8 seriously. and learn to pulse your mwd and not use your point when not necessary. your rapids will unload in like a minute anyway, and if you're so convinced you can actually kill tackle in that time I don't get why you need infinite cap and not just a few minutes

>>153212039

>if someone is turning off your mwd, it slows you down

You know what else turns off your MWD? Running out of cap after 3 seconds.

>>153212157
maybe I am expecting too much from unironic rlml caracal pilots I guess

>>153211362
caracals are good at hazing everything in the game, thats why >>153211505
elite pvp kiters hate them, they can apply significant damage to their expensive delicate kiting ships without being able to avoid it.

They are very good at dealing with most average T3D pilots and they are so easy to fly its slightly annoying.
You could program a bot to fly a caracal and you would get kills.

That being said, good players will never die to them alone.
They lack pure damage to punch through most cruisers solo in a single reload and their drone bay is tiny.


No good ceptor will die to a caracal tho, even with subpar fit and skills, a ceptor can keep a caracal tackled for at least 30 seconds and very easily bail.

>>153211706
you're never gonna break tackle with a web
a good ceptor will just keep you pointed while his friends arrive, once they arrive he will go for a drive by scram and your web won't slow down a ceptor in time to do shit, you will never be able to scram if you have one because of their bonused scram range.
Thats assuming he even bothers with a scram, he can keep you pointed for a very long time and then you just die.

Why can't we bot?

>>153212367
cuz dats cheetin mane

>>153212301
I know you're probably fucked even with a web, I'm just saying web or scram is the correct fit in the 5th mid for solo. a cap booster offers you nothing, and you're definitely fucked with it. with extra tackle mids you have something of a chance vs ballsy or stupid people which is better in all situations, just not very much in this particular one

>>153212636
the cap booster keeps your tank, tackle and prop going

the invuln uses 3.2gj/s, the MWD uses 11 and the point uses 3.6gj/s

using any combination of these will cap you out and since you're explicitly reliant on the MWD for everything, you'll be permarunning that

the cap booster keeps you running indefinitely compared to just 1 minute and change.

>>153212636

You could put a missile guidance comp + precision script in the 5th mid. Improves your application and doesn't require the enemy to be within 13km.

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How hard do you think the EVE population will be hit when Legion launches?

>>153213572
not really

Legion got canceled btw

>>153213572
>will be hit?
what does a FPS have to do with EVE?

>>153213617
Post source pls

>>153213450
>invuln

wait what, you're doing invuln and cap booster? and tackle? are we talking about osprey navy issues all of a sudden

>just 1 minute and change

an enduring mwd and t2 point runs for I think eft said 1 minute 50 something seconds. you will not be permarunning the point. you will not be permarunning the mwd if you're sensible. if you're doing mwd cap invuln 2 lse then pls go. I just don't see the need to be able to stay on grid forever when you're in a ship that needs down time anyway for reloads, you should be warping out. I can't imagine any situation where you would particularly want to sit around after unloading, but still just be burning all the time away from shit

>>153213468
you could, but it's not going to do that much. I think I'd rather have the scram in nullsec and fuck up cheeky destroyers who think you're a scrub fit with just a disruptor or invuln or whatever
tp with tp v gives you about as much application as a guidance computer

>>153214207
>wait what, you're doing invuln and cap booster? and tackle? are we talking about osprey navy issues all of a sudden
yea because an invuln gives a wicked jump to your tank. Not running one is dumb

FUCKING SUICIDE AWARENESS BULLSHIT GO FUCK YOURSELF

GO DONATE TO A CHURCH IRL AND KEEP THAT SHIT AWAY FROM MY EVE

VIRTUE SIGNALING PIECES OF SHIT

>>153212503
How? If everybody could bot, everybody could buy characters, and the game would have plenty of undocked targets.

In fairness, CCP should bot a bunch of accounts (or obviously make NPCs more PvP and industry experienced).

>>153214385
>donate to this
>don't donate to that
fuck off loser

>>153214385
isn't it probably also bad to encourage suicidal people to talk to redditors instead of seeking real help from /v/bros

>>153214447
The fuck is your problem, cunt? You think you are doping something by participating in this bullshit? It's a motherfucking game about spaceships, we don't need or want that crap in it.

I bet you post the french flag on your facebook when the muzzies blow up someone, fag.

>>153211505
90% of that is horde because they are so dumb they can't fly anything else.

>>153214207
>you will not be permarunning the point or mwd
but you sort of are if we're talking about solo

>warping out when reloading
what the fuck kind of combat are you even talking about here?
are you a PH slave or some shit that just constantly blobs people?

>>153214490
>talk to this nerd when you want to off yourself instead of a professional or a doctor

what can possibly go wrong?

>>153214918
if you're a defensive coward babby and you're just going to burn in a line and not pursue or hold people down then why the fuck not, you probably can't hold point in your caracal anyway

I don't even know what kind of combat we're talking about now. I thought we were talking about killing tackle and evading 'the blob' - warping out is highly recommended when possible in these situations not that you can kill interceptors anyway. maybe you're imagining having a prolonged 1v1 against a brawling cruiser that cannot catch you, I don't know

>>153214941
depending on country?
lots of money

>>153215670
>you probably can't hold point in your caracal anyway
what is your fixation with ceptors?
a caracal is fast enough to keep up with most ships in terms of speed.

you can very easily kite the slower ships of a fleet while killing the tackle, you can chase down T3Ds and force them to fight you, you can even take most head on, cruiser vs cruiser is a very realistic fight for a caracal

>if you're a defensive coward babby and you're just going to burn in a line and not pursue or hold people down
may i suggest the thorax, or the vexor, or the moa, or even the fucking rupture?

there is no reason to chase down and hard tackle people on a caracal vs just pointing and staying as far as possible

>>153216154
>what is your fixation with ceptors?

I didn't bring them up. I do hear the 'kill tackle, run from everything else' meme a lot being something a caracal is good at

>chase down T3Ds

arty svipul or beam confessor would be so triggered if you scrammed them

>may I suggest

it's not my fit or my intention to fly a caracal or any other cruiser for that matter while hics are broken

>>153216474
just dont get close to the hic

>>153216474
Whatcha flyin'?

>le hics meemay
100mn exists just for this m8.

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>nightmares are shit
>proceeds to fly rail vultures

>le 100mn maymay
You know the game is broke as fuck when you have to fit modules meant for a different class of ship.

>he doesn't fit 1600 plates on cruisers

>>153217435
The vultures were PL. Aren't Nightmares flown usually by SC or some other faglords?

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>PL

>>153217601
co2, waffles and snuff fly nightmares

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This is probably a bad idea.

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>Cucked Out

haha lol fucking what
https://zkillboard.com/kill/55798335/

>not wanting purple on your waifu

>>153220372

NC being NC. No supers allowed in hi-sec and PL not there to hand hold them.

so i'm in an alliance that actively steals from its members but i really like my corp

what should i do

>>153222545
Share your concerns with your CEO, see if leaving the alliance is a possibility.

>>153222638

fairly certain he doesn't view it as stealing even though its pretty cut and dry that it is

>>153222719
join tengoo

youre all a bunch of stupid highsec kb whoring niggers

>>153225484
i live in nullsec, senpai

>>153225559
basically highsec with no amarr

>>153225663
yeah, you got me there

Mass limits for command dessie MJD. Cannot jump BC or higher
Introduce command ship MJD, can jump up to BS
Mass of capital ships too high to be jumped this way/their own internal jump drive systems afford them immunity.

>>153225853

you already can't jump caps

there's nothing wrong with command mjd's

>>153226000
its literally T3Ds all over again
low risk and low cost with the capability to kill much more expensive ships with ease
of course mass mjd blobbers don't think theres anything wrong

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>>153226098
>oh no a command dessie wat do
>scram
>oh wait now its useless lel
There's no need to nerf a balanced feature just because you're retarded

>>153226098

cost has never been a balancing factor in eve

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>>153225853
>pls remove the most interesting and skilled mechanic in the game

>>153226312
>oh no 20 command destroyers
>let me scram one from 100kms to avoid them double jumping half my fleet
>ok fleet lets all chain scram our entire fleet just to counter a few 70mil ships that can completely cause our doom with no risk
no anon the retard is you.

>>153222719
What are they doing? And who is the alliance?

>>153226520
t. null blobber who got his logi jumped away

>>153226520
>oh no we can't just F1 them to death
Are you saying there's no counter?

>>153226816
>only nullbears are capable of being jumped
amazing argument 10/10, let me guess you're one of those faggots in /v/bros that leaves channel when called out too?

>>153226836
doesn't matter if there is a counter or not
they are too cheap for how dangerous they are
command destroyers and T3Ds hull should cost 120mil at least