/dfg/ ~ Dwarf Fortress General

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>>152290898
RIP in pisses Dwarf Fortress General

>/rwg/ going strong
>/dfg/ flounding
there must be something we can do about this injustice

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Urist Flees in Terror.

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>>152292128
HA HA, not to worry firend

/rwg/ is all homosexual little graphicboy talking about homoserx. they are very insecuret and only play game becue of bandwagon

menmawhile, /dfg/ s for real mEN. we are all playing DF bevause we LIKE the game

we will rise again, sooner or later, friedns

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NO, NOT AGAIN
I'VE A FULL TOMB ALREADY, THANKYOU
COME ON YOU HAPPY MERCHANTS HELP ME

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>>152292942
I too play Dwarf Fortress because I like real men

So how do you win Dwarf Fortress?

>>152295251
the key to winning is having fun

the more fun you have, the worse your fps gets

I guess you can consider yourself a winner every time you get down to 1 fps

>generate lovely world
>find a lovely spot to settle
>notice that there aren't any goblins in contact
>actually there aren't any goblins at all

i guess it was just to good to be true

>>152295251
Set your own goal.

When your adventurer is king and you've ushered in the age of heroes that seems like a good victory point

>>152295251
With skill, perseverance, and savescumming

>>152296898
I sure hope you're talking about adventure mode. Save scumming doesn't make fort mode more interesting(unless you impose a few handicaps on yourselves, like notraps and nobridges, the game will be painfully easy to begin with).

>>152297406
Savescumming in fort mode is really only worth it when one of your important dwarves dies to some bullshit.
And by important I mean "makes the game actually interesting"
I mean which is more fun? Losing your metalcrafter to some lucky kobold thief who manages to stab him in the heart, or continuing to shit out ridiculously valuable gold crafts to pump your wealth sky high and attract all kinds of invasions?

>>152297406
It was a joke. That was a glib spoiler. Like this one. Adv mode savescumming is wrongbad too you fucking casual. That spoiler was totally serious.

>>152298671
>Adv mode savescumming is wrongbad too you fucking casual.
I disagree. Fucking up in fort mode leads to interesting developments and a need to adapt to changed conditions. Fucking up in adv mode leads to the game ending immediately. Maybe when Toady adds more non-combat stuff to adv mode, I'll consider stop save scumming.

>>152298671
>not savescumming in advmode
Then why even play?
There is absolutely nothing interesting to do in advmode that doesn't require savescumming.

Savescumming in fort mode is acceptable only when trying to figure out exactly what went wrong.
For example, accidentally collapsing your main stairway trying to make a nice waterfall, killing roughly half your fort in the cave-in. I eventually just said fuck it and retired the fort, that stairwell would have taken so much time to fix that it would be quicker just to make a new fort.

So I've recently picked up DF again after a hiatus of several years, and I wanted to ask, with the climbing stuff now, are 2 tile high walls absolutely safe? Like there's not gonna be some elven rock-climber or giant brown recluse that's gonna just come up and over it, right?

>>152300638
No, things will try to climb that and probably succeed. Even discounting that, flying creatures have been a thing forever.

>>152298671
upvoted

>>152300638
Rough wood/stone walls (you brought a boulder or log over to construct the wall) = easily climbable

Block wood/stone walls (you brought a block over) = hard to climb

Smooth stone walls (its a natural rock face that you smoothed from that side) = essentially impossible to climb

>>152300736
Suddenly the game got alot scarier.

Is there any way I can make my aboveground areas secure against non-flying stuff?

>>152301194
Have an adventurer wall off the area completely.

Use a smooth natural stone wall around your fort (requires pure luck for availability, or a lot of digging and channeling).

Dig a deep channel in front of the walls.

The procedurally generated, multi-material musical instruments and books gives me hope for procedurally generated, multi material weapons; think spear, pick, hammer, bolt and mace shafts coupling with metal heads for them for an improved overall end product.

>>152301660
Guess it's time to get some mining skill for the lads.

Would filling a channel with water be better than keeping it dry?

>>152302191
Well, water can definitely keep them out or drown them.

On the other hand, people have reported goblins floundering to the other side of the moat and climbing out.

>>152302329
Better make it a wide moat then. And put marksdwarves at the top.

>>152301074
AND made out of blocks.

Thanks, guys.

>>152301194
>Is there any way I can make my aboveground areas secure against non-flying stuff
Overhangs.
You can't climb up an overhang. Go two tiles high, then build a ring of floors around the outer edge of the wall. You are now safe from climbers.

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>>152302180
>procedurally generated weapons
Yes because we really need to nerf goblins some more.

>>152303381
How would that be nerfing goblins exactly?

>>152303417
>it consists of a wood block
>the wielder strikes with the wood block

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>>152303202
Yes! You are the best anon!

>>152303202
I did that with fortifications and invaders climbed over anyway. Has that been patched, or does it only work with floors?

>>152304423
I've never tried it with fortifications. I've been doing it with floors and it's worked just fine for me.

>>152293343
I died when I saw the kea running away with the chair.

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But in this Dwarf Fortress, just what can we do?

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>>152305893
what the fuck

>>152306279
Do the stuff. Build the thing. Follow your dreams.

>>152304423
Fortifications have a floor included as part of the tile that functions exactly like every other floor. If they still climbed over then you did it wrong.

Will an undead army of goblins go away after a while?

>>152307521
sometimes I'm tempted to mod fingernails and teeth out of civilized races (or their attacks anyway) just because I don't really imagine armed combatants biting and scratching one another

>>152309226
What could I have possibly done wrong? What I think happened is that they grabbed the fortification from the side, which is something they couldn't do with floors.

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>>152307521
Ow.

>>152309509
I remove the scratch attacks along with the "slaps with the flat" attacks, there are times when you would want them, but facing down against a fully armored whirling dwarvish? Nah, you want to put the cleaving bit in the moving bit.

>>152309226
Built fortifications do not, carved ones do.

>>152309509
That's exactly how I feel. Biting though is actually really useful on occasion. Scratching on the other hand is just stupid and pointless. Kinda like those useless attacks on weapons, like hitting with the flat of the axe blade or the pommel of the sword.
Nothing pisses me off more than one of my dwarves wasting their turn on a useless attack, and then getting killed for it.

>>152309882
>mah digga

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>>152304624
Keas are pretty horrible creatures IRL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8mQiXKKfWw

>Keas found it easy to attack defenseless flocks, pecking open the sheep's back to get at the rich fat deposits beneath.

>>152309450
Well, screw that. The werelizards killed my fort and now my fortress of 90 went down to 10.

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>>152309860
Here's a picture of what I'm talking about

Can you put floor bars on the outside of walls instead of fortifications, so your marksdwarves can still shoot through them?

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>>152310484

>>152310484
>tfw you wish they'd just attack your useless children instead of stealing wheelbarrows and booze

>>152311723
You need fatter children.

>>152309882
The wiki claims edged attacks are 100x more common than blunt attacks on a weapon. Not sure if I agree.

Biting attacks ARE very good.

>>152312369
Yes, delicious fat childrens... wait

>>152312369
THat's okay, kids in DF are routinely so fat they have more total body mass than grown male humans or even than night trolls.

>>152314876
Let's not forget the horrors of dwarven daycare and the uberfatties that came out of it.

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>tfw dying thread

>>152316613
>dead at 16... posters
Dorf fast, die young, leave a molestable corpse.

>>152317021
I am terrified.

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>>152317526
it was inevitable

My problem is, when i'm playing DF and actually generating content and stuff to talk about, I'm having too much fun to come post on /dfg/.

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Am I the only one who adventures with a quiver full of other weapons to pull out instead of spending time pulling out stuck weapons/to throw?
>Bitches don't know bout my quiver with a spear, a pike, 2 knives, and a long sword
>mfw every encounter that doesn't instantly get beheaded tends to look like a pincushion of weapons

Daily post about FPS death.

>>152317739
>open paint
>start playing DF
>whenever there's something funny in DF hit
ALT + PRINT
>switch to paint
CTRL + V
Save as...
>switch back to DF

>>152317914
my quivers are either full of bolts or other small stuff like coins
trowing a bolt or even a coin at the right time can easily give you an edge in battle
especially when you just separated because of a dodge

>>152309882
I use scratch if it has a !Attack. otherwise slashing and stabbing is nice.

>>152318518
>bolts or other small stuff like coins
Yeah having shit like that to throw would be nice, but whenever my 2 handed sword gets stuck in a bitch they usually seem to attack me once or twice as I yank on it. releasing the 2 hander and pulling out a long sword takes no time at all for some reason and I can get back to hacking that much quicker.
Throwing daggers and spears is just there to make me feel like a badass

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Fuck elves

>>152318885
Dodge to the side, or kick them off your weapon if you're strong enough, that's how I kicked the dick off that yeti (I was trying to pop guts out to bite them off) here: >>152305893

>>152321076
I don't know man. I could do all of that, but something just feels right about sticking several weapons into something while blocking everything it tries to do.
>tfw saw a neat picture of a zombie soldier thing with spears and swords and shit stuck in it all over but can't find it

Will burrowed dwarfs be hauled to hospital zones if injured or do I have to give them their own hospital zone inside the burrow (along with the cafeteria and temple).

>>152317914
Ya know, I'm curious about whether using adamantine serrated discs as ninja stars would work

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>>152322631
You know what to do

So I found a naked peasant in a lair bathing in piles of shitty items.
Should I bash?

>>152324054
Nah he might be a werebeast and you may have a missing hand you want to regrow sometime

How come artifacts created in my Fey Moods aren't relevant to my fort's culture? Are those actually quite rare, or have I been unlucky?

If I come across an abandoned hamlet can I claim it as my own and if so what new gameplay options will open up if I do?

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Does anyone happen to have the 42.05 version of Taffer/CLA? I wanna play SPARKING! but finding legacy versions of the sets is a bitch.

Is there an easier way to decipher what's happened in combat, other than opening the report section and going through the log of every single creature involved in the combat?

I don't mind doing it for small scale conflicts, but figuring out what's happened when I'm watching a larger conflict drives me nutty.

>>152326679
How old is your fort. If it's young then you don't have much of a culture pool to pull from other than "it depicts the settling of x in the year y".

Unless you mean your parent civ's culture then yeah, you've been unlucky.

I have a snakeman companion and he lost his arm and tail so he just sort of crawls around. But he says he's having a great time traveling with my character.

I don't know if I should free him to go back home or keep him with me help.

>>152327282
Well it's not very old, but the Weremonitor infection that halved the population, caused fighting all across the primary level, filled the tomb, and whose conflicts left corpses in lakes and blood still staining the halls a year or two later, I would have expected one commemoration about it.

>>152328085
They're still having flashbacks about that night. They simply want to forget

>>152327680
I have no experience with snakemen, but I had a adventuring companion with one permanently useless arm once and didn't have any problems arising from said injuries.

>>152328085
Then yeah, unlucky. I had a one year old fort where the only death was dehydration from being stuck in a tree. Funny enough, I wouldn't have known had it not been for the artifact depicting said dehydration.

>>152328634
I'm talking from a moral perspective, not a gameplay mechanic one. Goshdarn dorf fort making me feel things for pixels.

>>152326879

It hasn't been updated, but a new version of Taffer/CLA is being worked on. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=107924.msg7141792#msg7141792)

>>152329496
I know, but i'm not looking for a new version, i'm looking for a legacy version for 42.05, and none of these yokels seem to host any legacy versions

I'm trying to manually install a tileset but all i get is a black screen, even though i made the necessary edits to init.txt. What gives?

>>152329648

Updated it to 42.05 for you. Kindly let me know if I screwed it up. Note that item_tool.txt in raw/objects is literally the default RAW file, intended to undo CLA's work to that file. If it conflicts with SPARKING! then just ignore it.

http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=7209

(Should probably clarify that these are my first two 4chan posts).

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>>152329141
Morally? Might as well keep him with ya. What's he gonna do if he goes home? Wind up as an old useless cripple who waxes on to the hatchlings about the good old days when he could still slither?

One of these days he WILL die on an adventure, but at least he'll go down fighting. Give your comrade in arms the death he deserves. As a warrior.

>>152330920
Ah ok, that makes sense.

>>152330920
Good ol Worf
Always has the right advice

Is there any way to give nicknames to domesticated animals? I want to keep track of which ones are fertile.

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>burning a gobbo dark fortress
>followers quickly fucked off somewhere chasing goblins
>they're probably dead
>almost get fucked up by a goblin swordsmen, a beak dog, and a troll
>troll just sort of fucked off after I ruined his guts
>beak dog gave into pain after several shattered legs
>but this fucking goblin
>got his hands on iron and copper plate
>kept getting parried and blocked
>stole his sword and chucked it at him, did some damage
>stole his shield and chucked it at him, but he dodged
>I'm apparently too much of a casual to penetrate his armor with my iron longsword
>just grabbed the fucker's head and crushed his skull
Wow, I didn't think it would've been that easy

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>>152331927
Shoulda named your character The Mountain

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>>152333039
>tfw another troll came by and fucked up my ankle just enough so now I'm sitting in the corner and just swinging at any goblin that comes within range while trying to stop being tired
I'm surprised nobody has come by to finish the job yet.
Also what the fuck these goblins just walk on through my room of death and don't even give two shits

It would appear that dwarven merchants really dislike hanging rings for some reason. The trade agreement was that they would pay 201% for figurines, so I brought a green glass figurine of a puffin man and they offered 80 monies for it, as expected since its value was 40 monies. They also offered 2620 for a yak bone figurine of magma men with encircling bands and menacing spikes of various gems worth 870 monies. So I thought: maybe I should decorate the other one a bit and then see what they'll give me. So after my jeweler finally got around to it, I brought it back to the depot, now worth 440 monies with added hanging rings of well crafted topazolite, and what did they offer me? 241 monies.

I am a bit annoyed.

>>152333303
Advernture mode needs first aid, or at least give you the ability to use splints because I doubt it's the ankle keeping you down but, the broken right knee.

>>152333671
Oh... Well at least I have a crutch to hobble away back to town with.
But that troll that fucked off earlier just came back

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>>152333768
>tfw as you started to hop away one of your companions comes back and starts fucking up everything indoors while you chop everyone around the front door

>>152334924
>filename
I am intrigued.

>>152326698
Seriously does anyone know?

>>152336325
Only if it has a mead hall.

You also need to be part of an entity in order to claim sites, although claiming sites also involves starting your own entities.

>>152336589
What lordly things can I do if I claimed a site with a meadhall?

>>152336837
You you can appoint hearthspeople and force other lords to pay homage to you.

Basically though, owning site doesn't currently make any real difference.

>>152337095
Ah darn it. I was hoping for more stuff to do. Just out of curiosity, is anything regarding site ownership planned to be implemented soon?

>>152337307
I don't remember clearly, but it wouldn't surprise me if the justice or military arcs added more things for site owning adventuers to do.

You can see all the intended features here:
>http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev.html

It has been revised serveral times already, and probably will be again in the future. here's an older version of it that's interesting to read:
>http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_single.html

The interesting thing about the "obsolete" dev plan is that many of the features that were there but not on the newer plan "resurfaced" when the myth arc was announced. So it's best to havce all the different dev plans in mind when getting hyped about DFs future.

>>152335139
Hang on, burning wildlife to death for killing my fps.

>>152337683
>Caravan Arc

Yes oh god pls

>>152336589
>>152337095
Is there a way to claim elven forest retreats?

And also, to take over a ded hamlet I assume you just go to the mead hall and claim it with a witness? Can you then retire there?

>>152337683
>>152338174
>RELATIONSHIPS ARC: You should be able to take a spouse, make a household, and create playable heirs as an adventurer. The dwarven relationships and personalities can also be expanded upon. Related to Core59, Core60, Bloat51, Bloat93, Bloat95, Bloat105, Bloat123, Bloat374, Bloat375, Bloat380, PowerGoal20, PowerGoal21, PowerGoal109 and PowerGoal119.

HNNNNNNNGH yiesss

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>>152337930
Fuck, that didn't help, just gotta avoid that camp, I've got four camps linked up with a filled four-way waterfall for pressure, gonna flood a hamlet cause fuck it.

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>>152338439
>Bloat51, Bloat93, Bloat95, Bloat105, Bloat123, Bloat374, Bloat375, Bloat380

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>>152338439
>mfw my dreams of playing a waifu who goes around slaughtering the problematic wildlife, bandits, and demons before settling down and having a family will eventually be realized

>>152339448
honest question here
Do you think waifuposting will be a normal thing to do here in a couple of years?

>>152339619
Not that anon but it will happen the moment we can have some control over physical characteristics like we do with values.

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>>152339453
>tfw pristine memes

>>152339619
It's lasted this long without waifuposting, so probably not.
At least not until dwarf fortress gets some kind of major graphical overhaul that shows the individual physical characteristics of each entity

>>152339726
>not hitting random until you get an pure white waifu
step up nigga

>>152339845

Just edit the raws really. Hook noses, homosexuals, and nonwhite PC races really aren't my thing (the latter wouldn't be so bad if they had their own style and items).

>>152339845
It's enough that the hair is darker than the skin. Having hair that's darker than the skin is also surprisingly rare in DF.

>>152339960
>editing those things out
Nigga what are you going to test your forgotten beast syndrome chambers with?

>>152340024
Seriously why are there so few whites in DF?

>>152339619
>>152339726
interpersonal relationships are to be worked exhaustively to resemble real life
In a couple of years, you will be able to fall in love with a cute girl you met in a tabern, marry her, have children, and watch broken as she escapes with your goblin friend, Ronaldo
Then, when you decide to show that gobbo a lesson for stealing your wife, his gang beats you up and sets clues that incrimine yourself in a renombred bank thief that happen the previous week
Your task now, escape the prision and revenge

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>>152338683
Bah, too many fucking animals to fix it now, lagfucks me to death.

>>152340072
There aren't, really. I've had lots of civs where everyone had pink or light tan skins.

I'm not sure how genetics are determined in generalised populations, put I guess the game has some sort of spectrum between "pale pink" and "dark brown", and that the populations tend to land somewhere in the middle.

>>152340072
Well, character generation already takes quite awhile even with appearances I like.

>>152340295
everything suggest it will only take more time in the future, with background creation and all that

>>152340176

Toady seems to think, and claims to have had, an adventurer get married, though DFHack seems to think otherwise and is better for getting chars together.

Getting cucked by the goblins, on the other hand, is definitely already in, if you count, say, a queen consort joining the goblins her husband's civ is at war with as an "apprentice."

>>152340176
m8, that totally seems like the plot of a movie, you know?

>>152340176
>the beginning of every elder scrolls game

>>152340748
>TES gobbos
>cucking anyone

>>152340409
That's true, which is why I prefer to leave the less aesthetically pleasing options out of elfs, dorfs, and humans.

>>152340676
>>152340748
Yeah, when writing stories about df's future, I always try to make it look as much as I can to a movie's plot
It's like a rule, the more it does, the funnier and more interesting it is to read to me
I call that the Harry Potter principle

>>152340954
Write dwarf Die Hard

>tfw spending 6 hours fucking with world gen in PWDF
>still not satisfied with the result

ok, so I tried >>152264469 and it was an absolute fucking abortion. I burrowed everyone in with only 1 barrel of plump helmets each and no drink, so for lack of barrels my dwarves started dying of thirst. Of course this was AFTER I decided to floor over the entrance stairwell to each sect because of all the job cancellations.
I had no way to farm on stone, so I had a genius idea to breach the river, let it run down my main stairwell (yes, you heard that right) and irrigate some crops in a room I had designated for farming. Well here's when it all goes wrong, because despite the muddy floors the dwarves refused to drink, and subsequently died of thirst because they couldn't get out (due to the main stairwell being flooded) The other sects faired pretty similarly, with each having problems of lack of alcohol.
The lowest sect dwarves kept running across the cavern to drink from the lake, since nobody would fucking build a still.
The 'dirt' dwarves likewise couldn't brew, so were pretty much doomed from the get go.
The 'overground' dwarves kind of failed as well, due to lack of wood with which to build houses.

Should I give it another try, or just admit defeat and give up?

Anon with the demon infested world here.
I've been training my dorf - Thothil Diveray domain of mirroring
while going back and forth hunting and swimming.

Just got back to the only human town with a castle in it.

Fuckmothering slug demons and plesiosaur demon fighting in the court yeard (latter of which is now dead from slug demons)

How do I even deal

>>152341000
I mean, you got trips, but it's a very magic-scarce story, please designate other movie to dwarf up

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>>152341000
It's hard producing such shitty OC.

>>152341690
how did this happen
do the demons have civs? can you talk to them?

>>152342809
Dragon fire can't melt steel constructions(or any constructions).

>>152319902
>is impalled on the ...

d-does that mean what I think it means

>>152342809
>Dwarf Hard AKA Urist assaults a necro tower naked and unarmed

>>152342903
From what I could gather, one of the dwarf fortresses in the continent uncovered a hellhole I think, before being destroyed. That's where I first saw demon corpses, and from there all the demons started spawning and fanning outwards, and it's also the place with the highest concentration of demons.

Brimstone smells EVERYWHERE.

>>152305893
>that last part
nice

>>152309882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eQ0VB68_qk

pommel attacks are super legit
there is a video of a hema match where the guy hits the other in the helmet with the pommel and the nigga almost passes out
I wish it worked like that in df

any of you have read the thread on the forums about farming rebooted, that nigga wrote like 25 pages about how should everything related to dirt work
and all of it makes sense

>>152343406
probably a load of autism desu

>>152343184
I'd like to see this world for myself; it sounds interesting. Is there any chance you could upload the world gen info and/or a save somewhere?

>>152343481
>being interested in aspects about how the world around us works(e.g. where our our fucking food comes from) is autism
has anti-intellectualism gone too far? is this post real or fake?

>>152343790
It sounds like it fundamentally misses the point that it's a game which is supposed to be fun, not a soil micro-management simulator.

you want intellectualism go read a book you stupid science bitch

>>152343481
I though the same m8, but that guy's ideas really work
Basically, he talks about how farming is broken because it creates infinite resources without a true cost.
To fix that he proposes to treat soil as something more realistic, with nutrients, humidity, biomass, ph and temperature, and making crops more realistic
Apart from that, he delves deeply into economic and agriculture stuff, not to mention giving solid reasons to Toady to add dwarven-made urine and feces to make compost

>>152343790
stop talking man, he>>152343841
is baiting
DF is basically more than a game, it's a reality simulator.
And if you think about it, most of our fucking richness as a species come from the fucking ground, so its something that sould be really thought about
>stupid science bitch
lel >>/outofmyworld/

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>>152343949
>it's a reality simulator

>>152343841
reminder that dwarf fortress is intended to be a "fantasy world simulator". you can't have a world simulator that doesn't offer a detailed explanation of how the in-universe production and economy works.

wanting Toady to leave important aspects of the simulation blank just because "muh sieges" or "muh quick stimulation" is inherently anti-intellectual(as well as irreconcilable with the game's goals), and you should consider migrating to rimworld.

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>>152343212
I left him alive.

>>152343949
>dwarven-made urine and feces

I've already said before that this needs to happen because I want pipes to finally have a use. I wanted to set up a plumbing and latrine system that led straight to the neighboring river because fuck nature and fuck the elves.

>tfw they are downstream from my fort.

but alas, last time i suggested it someone told me that if I wanted shit to just go to /v/.

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>>152344003
You know what, as >>152344115 says, you are right, it's not a ''reality'' simulator, it's a ''tale'' simulator, such us Toady himself has stated the game to be
So yeah, this game is gonna fucking be a soil management simulator if it needs to be, because for a tale where a king eats a roast while giving you orders to kill the baddies, someone must've farmed those crop or watched over those cows.
Tales stem from realism. Toady wants a stories simulator, so the game is gonna be realistic.

>>152344219
Even the symbol used for gelded creatures(male symbol between two 'x'es, implying that it's damaged) is cringe inducing.

>>152305893
Yetis are 100,000 cm^3

>propelled away by the force of the blow!

what are you?

>>152343734
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e797pu1hb3hxjvr/AABaft1BH_rq8MFcWtJCvZ_-a?dl=0

Here's the region folder. Not sure if this is what you need,

for the fortress in question, look for
Koganasdug, or "Boatdrummed".
It's in the south eastern quarter of the continent, 2 map tiles above a shrine and built into the mountainside.

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>>152344483
>So yeah, this game is gonna fucking be a soil management simulator
no it's not

>>152344524
shit i meant 300,000 cm^3

still, my point still stands.

>>152344352
You gotta understand those are some people consider those things quite bad idea to include them in games
This guy includes them really good, explaining that in a closed cycle of life, nutrients must come back to the earth, including that delicious sandwich you ate yesterday

>>152344604
I just don't like the idea of my dwarves shitting and pissing in the hallways.

>>152344582
It's not up to you to decide. We have two sperglords making this game. It WILL be reaslistic, regardless of what you want.

>>152344821
fuck no man, nobody likes that, they would have latrines
They wouldn't also be potty breaks, the whole shit and piss jobs would be abstracted in the jobs of drinking and eating

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>>152344582
Nice arguments fag, you have surely change the direction of Dwarf Fortress' development with your hot opinions
>>152344872
yep

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Shithead gobbos stole my spot!

Guess I'll just visit this spot in adventure mode and clean it up.

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>>152345252
>5252
Witnessed

What are some good challenge embarks for DF? Being able to survive until I get too greedy for Adamantine is getting boring now that I've been doing it for a while.

>>152345416
Instead of embarks try multiple, isolated forts maybe? I've always wanted to do that.

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>https://github.com/JapaMala/armok-vision/releases/tag/v0.11.0

DFHACK FOR 0.43.05 WHEN

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>>152344524
That was an all buffed up character I use for heavy lifting construction projects, hauling tons of lumber requires way too much strength.

>>152342903
Goblins are all trying to dig down to Hell in their dark fortresses, if you go down far enough you will find stairways in different stages of construction. I have no idea whether its a timer, or fixed, or whatever.

>>152343790
to call adding to the super complexity of DF "anti intellectualism" is fucking retarded and pretentious as hell

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>little leather homes made just for me right on embark
fuckin' sweet

>>152344352
>>152344872
Toady already confirmed there would not be shit and piss in the game, sorry.

>>152346765
Sorry, "to call not wanting to add to the super complexity of DF"

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>>152346768
Oh shit, there's nobody here (yet, I still haven't unpaused) but I think I might have embarked right on top of an army marching on a goblin fort. Either that or a goblin army is just camping right outside their own fortress.

>>152346946
>>152346768
Fucking amazing luck.

>bridge to block off main entrance, plus invader entrance consisting of winding corridor with 100 cage traps, followed by sealable corridor full of upright metal spikes attached to a repeater

Boring for sure, but this is the strongest fortress defense system against surface threats. Nothing can destroy bridges, cage traps or upright spikes, and anything that can't be captured by a cage trap can eventually be killed by upright spikes.

>>152346765
>Goblins are all trying to dig down to Hell in their dark fortresses, if you go down far enough you will find stairways in different stages of construction. I have no idea whether its a timer, or fixed, or whatever.
They don't "dig into hell". The fortress itself is created by demons in a time before time, to help them escape from hell. Said demons then rule goblin civs with their own structure as their base.

There are no "stages of construction". Each gobbo fortress either has access to hell, or not. If they don't, they were created by gobbos during history, not by demons.

>to call [not?] adding to the super complexity of DF "anti intellectualism" is fucking retarded and pretentious as hell
Dude, how new are you? It's beyond me how anyone can call the current farming system "super complex". It's more simple, and more broken, than the farming system in any other game I know. Above ground crops can grow during any season, there's no penalty for using the same plots every season, et cetera. Wanting to improve this isn't "pretentious", and you suggesting it makes me worry about this generation of gamers.

>>152346765
no goblins on the continent.

>>152346768
>>152346946
>>152347008
Interesting to note is that I seem to only have 35 z-levels of stone underneath. I didn't fuck with the caverns at all (aside from making them tend toward being more open) in world gen, so I wonder what the fuck is going on under there. I guess I'll find out tomorrow.

>>152346856
Eh, I don't really care all that much. It was just a little thing that would've made fort building a tiny bit more interesting, in a "where does it all go" sort of way. Would I set up glorious roman style latrines next to a bathhouse, a row of outhouses away from the fort or would I just designate shitting hallways mumbai style.

>>152347181
>They don't "dig into hell".

Okay, and the drunks in dwarven hillocks don't actually drink booze. They do however have winding staircases with goblin miners at the bottom.

>If they don't, they were created by gobbos during history, not by demons.

Nah, verifiably false. In all the game worlds I have seen since vaults, demons created all dark fortresses, but I have only seen one that had hell access (and was spewing demons).

>It's beyond me how anyone can call the current farming system "super complex".

Strawman me harder, daddy!

>Wanting to improve this isn't "pretentious", and you suggesting it makes me worry about this generation of gamers.

Oops, another strawman. Man, today isn't your day.

For slow witted yet pretentious people, here's what was actually said vs what was claimed:

Claim: "Farming is super complex!"
Actual position: DF is super complex.

Claim: "He said if you want more complex farming, you're pretentious!"
Actual position: Calling those who don't like your ideas anti intellectual is fucking retarded and pretentious as all hell.

>and you suggesting it makes me worry about this generation of gamers.

And your absolutely cancerous entitlement mentality makes me worry about this generation of gamers as well. You're easily the most entitled person I've seen in these threads.

>>152347275
now that's very interesting that both dorf sites and gobbo sites can potentially unleash hell

>>152347750
>Appeal to the general consensus that farming is utterly broken is a strawman
False falacy me more, I beg you!

>>152348267
Poor reading comprehension, I take it? The problem is with an entitlement mentality player calling those who don't like his super great proposed features "anti intellectual." Try again.

>>152347750
All that shitflinging, and you still managed to completely dodge the matter at hand, namely how incredibly simple and broken farming is in DF.

As for DF's "overwhelming complexity" it's a meme for the most part. It is true that DF keeps track of things that most games don't, but it could it could definitly stand being fleshed out a bit, gameplay-wise.

As for the dark fortresses, I just looked one up in one of my worlds:
Name: "Hexrites", founded by The Red Dread of the Wraith of Castles in 111(that is, during history, not in a time before time)
The civ: "Wraith of Castles", ruled by a demon called "Mamica somethignsomething".

When I read Mamica's hist fig entry in legends, she was explicitly stated to have founded the original dark fortress, "Empiresdevils". The underworld spire she erected was called "the Failed Tower"(built in a time before time). Her hist fig entry did NOT mention the other dark fortress, "Hexrites". Additionally, Hexrites doesn't have any underworld spire, meaning that it it's not connected to hell.

It's obvious that the original dark fortresses(those built by demons in a time before time) have underworld spires that connect them to hell, while those built later during history(which have no relation to the demons) lack these spires, meaning that they don't connect to hell.

Stop spreading stupid misinfo.

>>152348627
> namely how incredibly simple and broken farming is in DF.

What can I say, I have to call out shitters suffering from entitlement mentality.

>it's a meme for the most part.

It is a game that includes body plans and gender distribution of ants.

>that is, during history, not in a time before time

Good catch.

As far as underworld spires, as you know so much about all this, you are free to explain what arcane rules cause some to spew out lots of demons and some to apparently never do so.

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>>152348627
>It is true that DF keeps track of things that most games don't
How's that working out for performance.

I know let's track another 50 arbitrary things for each tile like how much literal shit is and has been there there!

This is ultimately why Toady will add other awesome shit instead of lame ass soil micro-management.

>>152348871
Soil managment would be one of few thing sto actually have an impact on the gameplay. If I had to sacrifice some other detail(like 99% of all the pointless contamintants being tracked on bodyparts and items) to have improved farming mechanics, I'd do it.

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>>152349078
>Soil managment would be one of few thing sto actually have an impact on the gameplay.

Everything has an impact on gameplay.

>>152348860
>It is a game that includes body plans and gender distribution of ants.
The body plans is the ONE respect in which DF is more complex than most other games. Everything else is really simple.

Your example, the ants, is also a case where the level of detail is entirely irrelevant to the gameplay. Improved soil and farming mechanics are not. They'd be major game changers. You're going to accuse me of strawmanning again, but what you're saying is basically
>df has complex body plans, so it doesn't need a passable farming system

>>152349294
It is actually a strawman, because what you keep refusing to address is the entitlement mentality that got you called out in the first place -- calling those who don't want to add to the complexity of DF "anti intellectual."

It being a "good suggestion" or a "bad suggestion" isn't relevant, as what you are being called out on is how absolutely personal you took people disliking nightsoil simulation, to the point of calling them "anti intellectuals." Oh, and of course, "worrying about this generation of gamers."

Pretentious as fuck.

I don't particularly care about farming and expect Toady to inevitably make the food minigame more difficult, albeit hopefully not to Cataclysm DDA's scurvy simulator 2000 levels.

It is the fact that you took the dislike for your precious proposal so personally that got you called out.

>>152349636
>entitlement mentality
You sound like some college freshman going on about "discourse analysis" and furiously denying that there is a material reality beyond the discourse.

You can't reply to my arguments, so you choose to critisise my "tone" instead.

Since you refuse to to answer to the actual game related points I've made, I guess this discussion isn't going anywhere.

>>152349793
Nobody's talking about nightsoil simulators because they don't have particular interest in it and know Toady will ultimately do whatever the fuck he wants, other than that he already has noted he's not going to add poo poo pee pee to the game.

>You can't reply to my arguments

Sure I did. Your argument was that that those who don't like your poo poo pee pee soil simulator idea are anti intellectuals. You attempted, and failed, to defend that argument via 3 strawmans trying to rope it into a tangent on the poo poo pee pee soil simulator idea instead.

All I can really comment on the idea itself is that since you have a heavy attachment to the idea, it warms my heart knowing it will never be added... although I'm sure Toady will eventually make farming more annoying anyway.

>>152350110
Not being interested in how your food and and other products are made i not only anti-intellectual, it's also extremely arrogant. The disdain for material production shows a correlating disdain for those who make our standard of living possible, e.g. farmers and blue collar workers. This (extremely elitist) idealism also corresponds to your liberal subjectivist rethorics.

Since DF is a game that ultimately aims to simulate entire worlds in all their detail, it will also have to simulate material production, and all aspects of it.

Stay mad when the "dirty farmers" and their toil receive more attention than the "highly kings" and their "cultured" political intrigues.

I started playing around with the old Dwemer Fortress mod but got a little ticked off about it because it has the old military menu and I don't really want to learn 0.28 when I already know the current set decently. There's no way to update that easily, is there? I just want to grow ash yams and harvest netch leather

>>152345824
when 0.44.01 is out, duh

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fucking kek

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So you know how df webbers actively shoot webs all over the place?

Know how real spiders don't?

Well, turns out the little house spiders that I made a point to learn how to identify so I don't mistake them for a recluse and kill them are also known as Scytodes Thoracica, or the Spitting Spider, and they literally shoot webs from their little mouthparts, so hey... that's a real thing.

Though, you don't gotta worry about one biting your head off, they're delicate little ladies, so much so that I got my lady to hold one in preparation for seeing if we can get her to handle our big black and yellow porch spider!

You can see this one shot web actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaP52uKg2pU

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>become a lady at the age of 16
>the people love her
>go to war against the elves
>kill three hist fig elves and a grizzly bear before falling victim to another grizzly
Too bad she ruled some hamlet out in the boondocks. Had she lived in the city, she'd be entombed for sure.

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>>152352591
Are those the ones that use hydraulics to move their fangs faster than muscles are physically capable of?
They use the pressure of their liquid web to make their fangs zip back and forth while they're shooting webs, and so it automatically weaves a net midair. It's the coolest shit in the universe.

>>152353771
I think so, they do the little zigzag mid-air web shit for sure, I was wondering why they were called spitting spiders and then I saw the video.

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What is the most powerful creature in Dwarf Fortress? Modded or vanilla.

Thralled giant sponges?
Carp
Or perhaps a forgotten beast with some horrifying trait combo?

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The memes are becoming real.

>>152354652
Steel FB that shoots webs.

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>>152354652
Vanilla: pre-nerf zombie giant elephant/hydra/etc, or post-buff zombie dragons with the "HA HA, BURST OF BOILING STEEL, BITCHES" breath action are the only things that approach like an inorganic webbing titan/fb.

Modded?

Me.

Would you play a multiplayer arena mode df where you battle in turns with your oponent
like in toribash

>>152355338
I'd give it a try, but I suspect it would be extremely slow and imbalanced.

>>152354652
I once had to deal with an acid breathing flying blob made out of diamond

shit was fucked

Eventually I managed to lead it to the adamantine vein and unleashed loads of fun upon it.

It slaughtered everything and flew down the vein, never to be seen again.

>>152355647
Anon

Anon that's when you seal that entrance and never look back.

>>152343481
>probably a load of autism desu
Actually its not.

He problably had his original idea about the thing and then was able to predict people saying "but if thing X happen how would we deal with it?", "wouldnt this idea be impossible because of Y?"

And because of it, he must explain those parts and find solutions to the problems they cause and etc...

Like he talked about irrigation and etc.. and then had to find a way/ talk about how we would deal with the fact water is not infinite.
The same happened when he talked about biological fertilizers, he had to find a way to deal with it.

>>152356778

so... autism

>>152356824
where do you fucking think you are?

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>>152356824
>if u KNOW things, ur a BORING NERD

how do I make my retards pick up the fruits from the ground?

>>152357846
set up a plant gathering zone [i]
make sure you have an herbalist

>>152357846
1. Designate a gathering zone
2. Pray

>>152357846
Designate a fruit picking zone, assign herbalism to the retards in question, and then have your carpenter make at least 5 stepladders for each dwarf and then make sure that not a single stockpile accepts stepladders otherwise your retards will climb up into trees, have some other retard steal their stepladder, and then get stuck there until they die of dehydration.

>>152358062
>>152357846
Also keep in mind that they DON'T need to have herbalism enabled in order to get stuck in trees. Your weaponsmith can and will decide to climb a tree for absolutely no reason except to get stuck and die.
My guess is that they're probably picking fruit to eat themselves and then stopping to eat it in the fucking tree.

>>152358062
I don't know why it never struck me to keep stepladders out of stockpiles to prevent treeppuku.

>>152358275
Dwarves will climb trees to escape "threats" and get stuck.

>>152358275
I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with herbalism, they'll only go after fruit in trees if they have herbalism enabled
they're either being chased up there or chasing something up there - buzzards etc. are the most common cause from what I've seen

>>152358062
I feel you're overstating the problem here. it's fine if you have a stockpile that accepts stepladders, just make sure you have 2 ladders per active herbalist.

for both issues, now that the temple/tavern update is in, it's pretty easy to find stuck dwarves. people with "no job" on the units list are probably trapped, since if they were idle in the fort they'd be worshipping or socializing or something, so just check that screen every few minutes

>>152358401
It doesn't always work though. You have to have shitloads of stepladders lying all over the place, or another dwarf can still steal a ladder out from under someone in order to use it themselves.

It's better to just not even deal with the industry at all. Too much micromanagement and it's not any better than ground crops are.

>>152358835
they'll only steal a stepladder if the herbalist's job gets interrupted, like if they get interrupted by kea or something

I would say don't bother with gathering from trees if your biome has major kea/buzzard problems. other than that, it's fucking fantastic to have herbalists gathering from trees, it produces a huge amount of brewable/edible material for very little effort. I do it in almost every fort and very rarely have dwarves get stuck in trees

>>152357960
>>152358028
thanks

>>152358062
>>152358275
>>152358401
>>152358529
>>152358620
>>152358835
I'm picking from the ground so no problem but I will take care in future

>>152359020
>they'll only steal a stepladder if the herbalist's job gets interrupted
Oh, I guess that got fixed that then.
I remember just giving up on the industry entirely when I had 5 different herbalists fighting over the same stepladder 24/7 when I had at least 15 sitting in my carpenter's workshop.
I got so pissed I just undesignated the zone and let them all die in the trees.

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Will granting citizenship to someone from another civ let me make the clothes they have?

>>152362862

I hear yes but I have not seen this happen myself, because I don't let in filthy immigrants.

>>152293446
Wich color scheme?

>>152295679
>When your adventurer is king
Is such a thing even possible?

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Trying my hand at making nonstandard fort layouts for a change. Fuck efficiency.

I have no idea what to use this floor for. It's so unoptimized in terms of space usage.

>>152364838

Looks like it would make some nice bedrooms if nothing else

THERAPIST
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>>152356824
>so... autism

Internet Text paradox happening exactly at this exactly moment.
PS: Internet text paradox is not a good name for it, but anyone its the one I invented years ago for it.


>someone write a small text X about the subject
>Guy A read it and say:"Your text is stupid because of Y"
>Guy B read it and say: "If A happens then why B wont happen."
>Guy A and Guy B end not thinking the text is bullshit/wrong, or useless
>Writer knew that situations like those Guy A and Guy B ones I talked about would happen, he knew that before he started to write the text and so writes an huge text, trying to cover all situations needed to make sure people understand his text and to make sure he covers all possible flaws the text could have or people could think the text could have.
>the text is huge and so few read the text, some guys dont see his idea, or understand what he is talking about, not because he said something wrong, but because they didnt read the text and wont do it because TLDR.
>even worse, others like you think this is an "autistic text"

Yes internet text paradox in motion.
Anyway what you do:
1-Write a small text to many guys read (but many wont understand your text 100% but will misunderstand your text and because of it think the text/idea is a bullshit one?
2-Write a huge text, the ones that read will understand your idea but most of the internet population wont read your text.

>>152364838
What if you inlay those undesignated areas with a different color floor and turn it into a comfy temple or sculpture garden?

>>152365897
As it turns out there's some tiger iron and fire agate clusters in the walls of those undesignated areas, so I'm thinking that's a good idea.

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Fuck me. Now I understand why everyone hates these things.

>>152369067
actually stealing things is fine, I'm delighted if they take some finished good and fuck off
it's all the job cancellations, FPS murder, and vengeful thoughts that really make them a pain in the ass

>>152352591
Her hands... How can I say this, but... I got a BONER

>>152293343
Hey, does anyone one have more of these? I know I saw them laying around, but I didn't get to save those.

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>>152371361
He makes it tricky because he lacks any account that he posts his shit on.

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What the next step in your master plan, Os.

>>152371958
Apparently it was to bleed to death.

Every time a caravan comes along, my game crashes. It's not instant, but it is consistent. They've never managed to get on one of the roads, so that might be a contributing factor. Has anyone else been having this issue?

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>>152371952

>>152373203
>>152371952
Thanks man (guys). There is just so much heart and soul in these drawings.

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>>152373203

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>>152373603

I'd also like to say that what else charms me about these images is how actually down to earth they seem. My perception of the dorf world was completely corrupted by popular high fantasy works.

>>152369238
Well, it's sort of a big deal in this fort because I've got megabeast attacks set to a minimum of 30 dwarves and 0 created/exported wealth. Brought along some weapons on the embark but now those are all gone.

Well, at least now I know to immediately get the weapons underground upon embark. You have Fun and you learn!

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>>152373824
I find it charming as well. They all seem to be in that bayeux tapestry in means of how they all are in tights and are wearing tunics.

>>152373824
yeah, I agree. I have no problem with DF's visuals, but it leaves a lot up to the imagination, and sometimes when you see "warrior clad in steel and silk doing battle with a dragon" your mind jumps to something else that doesn't really fit thematically
this stuff is sort of like official DF art, at least in my head

has nanofortress updated since 0.34? i loved my tiny little 1x1 forts, but i haven't seen that utility since i got back into DF.

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>horrifying screams come from below

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The drawfag also does different themes.
This and world war two are the only ones I am aware of.

The guys he draws with rodent like faces are kobolds?

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Okay, I think it's World war one actually.

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I would figure so. >>152375004
This is the last one I own.

>>152374731
>>152375105
>>152374390
>>152374160
Thank you again.

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is there any way to cage a clown?

>>152375793
Webbed traps.

>>152374160
That's the exact reason why I dont like them, They always look so feminine. The tights are too much.

>>152375858
that only works if the clown in question does not have webs, right?

>>152376121
I think that's right, But I haven't seeing webbing clowns in some time.

>>152376232
can't say I've ever seen one either, but it would be inevitable that the one time I tried to set up webbed traps for them, they'd fucking all be webbers

>>152376349
I think that faced them head on only one time when I had a decent army and it appeared that a lot of them could spit fire. Even dust is better at that point because at least marksdwarves can try and do something.

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>>152375858
>>152376079
>>152376121
>>152376232
>>152376349
how to web traps, though? a caged forgotten beast with webs and a bunch of puppies? that would actually work and trap a demon, assuming he can't melt the cage?

>>152376617
giant cave spider is the normal method
I think webs can be dropped down from 1 z-level above, if you read the wiki page on web farming there's plenty of tricky ideas

>>152376617
giant cave spider, unsure if it must be untamed though, curious about this myself as I have a tame GCS

>>152376785
probably works with a released naked goblin or something.

>>152376079
99% of all contemporary film directors seem to agree with you. I seriously can't remember the last time I saw tights in a medieval themed movie. They always seem to wear impregnated leather jackets and pants.

>>152377203

There's a troubling [verify] somewhere on the wiki about if they will shoot webs while tame at wild animals or whatever, currently I'm just building some 3x3 rooms with bridge doors to trap them.

>>152376617
Bring the cage with a giant cave spider an surround it with fortifications. Lay the traps first. Then after that deconstruct the cage with a lever. Station the soldier somewhere behind the traps, but close enough to get the spider to shoot webs so that he doesn't activate the trap.

I just want to say that trapping them in cages is beneficial in many ways, because if some of them are pregnant and some get killed by traps then the pregnant ones will immediately give birth because the clowns have an upper pop cap for every embark. I've had them giving birth to triplets and and even quadruples for years only for them to stop after a time. After I killed a bunch of them in a cave in they simultaneously gave birth to circa 40 new ones.

>Current version is 43.06
OP please.

>The game has display cases and pedestals now, in all modes. Next I'm going to finish the display jobs in dwarf mode before I get back to maps. You'll be able to display any non-large object you like, and there'll be new thoughts for displayed items similar to the admiration of architecture. So you can set up artifact display areas, or you can just use regular masterpieces, or junk, or skulls, as you see fit. The displayed items show like the food on tables so you can admire them yourself.

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So I just learned that magma crabs actually spit magma. Pic related is all that's left of the surface world, my pastures, and my temporary food and booze stockpiles. Anyone got some good ideas for a final project before this fort goes belly-up?

>>152379918

Build an amazing r̶e̶i̶c̶h̶ fortress which lasts for 1000 years.

>>152377863
the born demons aren't part of your civilization, right? but you could still craft their body parts into stuff?

>>152379827
thx grandma

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>>152376079
I think that you miss the point.

>>152380103
Build a platform overlooking the flames and make it into a tavern, so your dwarves can drink and make merry while the world burns.

Should I even give a shit about nobles, or are they worth extra management I don't want to do?

>>152382201

I don't mind them but the whole "make me 3 boots" thing gets a bit tedious after the 500th time.

On the plus side the missing room thing only seems to piss them off once a year now and might be counteracted by completing mandates.

>>152290898
How's adventurer mode now? Is it a lot better?

>>152382419
compared to when?
It gets better every version, but "a lot" depends on "a lot" of factors, primarily on what you didn't like about it.

>>152382403
Well, I only just remembered they existed. I always assumed the menu button was for stuff like foreign nobles and kings who might have dropped by to visit. You know, a relations tab. I've had them living in the same 2x4 room with nothing but a bed in it as everyone else, they've got jobs and work. Will keeping this up cause them to flip their shit or somehow ruin me, or do they actually do useful things once they're upkept? Because my worklist for my miners is already huge, I'm kinda lazy, and I haven't suffered any consequences so far so I don't see reason to change.

>>152383241

What is your highest level noble?

If there are mandates being made then the downside is you likely won't get to use the justice system because it will be clogged with about a ton of "criminals" if you're ignoring mandates.

Only mayor+ makes mandates tho, and you can remove them from the raws if you care to.

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Why all of those "EPIC" and fantastic stories that dwarf fortress supposedly allow you to experience revolve around the same scheme?

>there was a fortress and it was doing good
>suddenly some random strong monster appeared
>everyone was killed by it

And you guys are so excited about that? Everyone who plays it says that stories and randomness is the main feature, but all I see is the same kind of stories, nothing really interesting.

And to get all this you have to endure horrible interface which is basically patchwork clusterfuck with key bindings that make no sense, and decypher ANSI graphics that, while ok for roguelike, does not fit this kind of complex strategy game. And the author is autistic fuck not wanting to change anything to make his game more appealing.

Why would anyone play that, beside for false feeling of elitism for mastering the horrible controls and graphics? To make things even worse the DF community is terrible and very unfriendly. They act so defensive and look down on anyone who didn't invest 1000+ hours to master the UI like them. But they have to rationalize this waste of time, I guess.

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>>152383578
Just Mayor, so far. Everyone wants an office with a "decent" house and a bunch of stuff.

>>152384256

A "decent" dwelling can be achieved with a well made bed, door and cabinet.

>>152384146
cool story bro

you convinced me, I'm getting a refund tomorrow

I no longer enjoy Dwarf Fortress thanks to your post.

>>152384146
Because it's Fun.

>>152384146
Do you expect anyone not to act like a defensive cunt when you wade in with posts like that?

anyway most people who are familiar with DF would probably agree with you that boatmurdered et al are kind of screwy and not really reflective of how most DF forts go. I find plenty of interesting things in the randomly generated stuff and in the way dwarves/creatures react to things, but they're generally on much smaller scales and they're not the kinds of things that would be turned into stories.
the UI, massive walls of text/lists of options, and nearly-nonexistent mouse controls ARE a clusterfuck, despite some people trying to claim otherwise. but none of that is truly incomprehensible, and while being shitty to people who don't want to take the time to learn how DF works is kind of inexcusable, it really isn't at all hard to figure out if you apply yourself to it.

>>152384146
>>>/gnomoria/

>>152385183
ded game, MIA developer

Is it possible to raise the animal cap? Or do I need to kill off all my cool beasties if I ever hope to raise a bunch of cave dragons?

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>>152384146
>the author is autistic fuck not wanting to change anything to make his game more appealing.
Yup.

>the DF community is terrible and very unfriendly
Yup.

>act so defensive and look down on anyone who didn't invest 1000+ hours to master the UI like them
Yup.

Now fuck off.

>>152384146
Are you a r-retard, senpai? I've seen lots of ebin stories that aren't about "everyone was killed." Many times, the ebin stories are about a great hero like King Cacame, the King of All Dwarves but in reverse.

>false feeling of elitism

I know of no one who considers themselves the elite for using a game like DF that, like many games, you can learn in one sitting.

I can see why you'd think controls are horrible, but graphics? Its just fucking roguelike style graphics, dude.

Are there people so badly retarded that any of this is difficult for them? We aren't "the elite," we're just normal, average mental capacity joes.

like there are people who train all fucking weekend in Warcraft and shit, while in DF anyone who isn't brain damaged can learn it in ONE
FUCKING
SITTING

>>152364649
Of course. I've had an adventurer become queen.

Its stupidly easy, just time consuming. Here's what you do: make 2-3 adventurers.

Get the adventurer you want to be KANGZ N SHEEIT and one other person, who can also be an adventurer.

just let them talk for a long period of tiem until their social skills are higher than anyone else.

You can alternative stick your adventurer and someone else in a tavern for a long ass period of time.

when the KANG and his family die, such as of natural causes, it goes to the highest social skills person

>>152350954

>your liberal subjectivist rethorics.

Being unable to spell rhetoric and implying that people who don't share your passion for shitfarming are liberals are anti intellectual just makes yourself look ridiculous.

>in all their detail
>"dirty farmers"

We already have Word of God that poo poo pee pee will never be in the game, good luck.

>>152354652
High material grade inorganic demon with deadly dust or web, easy.

>>152373824
I don't heavily associate DF's imagery with other fantasy except maybe very old D&D stuff and its semihistorical clunky look, but even then there isn't much visual inspiration for me to go to for DF's thickly padded, heavily armored and freakishly muscled and often obese (in fort mode) protagonists.

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>>152390287
>Being unable to spell rhetoric
fugg, u got me :DD

Seriously though, I don't have any strong opinions on adding excrements in particular. However, when the guy on bay12 made a pretty strong argument as for how farming can be improved, and the anon here only replied with "dude, if u know/care this much about farming, u must be an autist. I'll just disregard ur wall of text without reading it", I consider that pretty fucking anti-intellectual.

>>152384146
>people are elitists for not minding a UI that takes an afternoon to learn, like just about every strategy game

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>>152391128

would you feel better if I read it and called it autistic?

>>152391128
Yeah I'll agree.

To the guys still arguing over shit. I would like to point out Powergoals 89 and 153. Also when talking about gunpowder in a DF Talk he mentioned manure and urine as a way to get saltpetre. So Toady never really said no to the idea, also its a pretty high up idea on the voting list in the forums.

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>arriving unannounced to be mean after I purposely send your caravan home with 5k extra dwarfbucks

haha, no

How do make people able to pray to their god?

>>152391943
maek a tmeple

I genuinely can't figure out what is annihilating elves in my world. Seriously, first 3 months and elves have went from about 600 to 276 people.

No new listed battles.
None of them say they're being skirmished.
Legends doesn't refer to any beasty rampages.

>>152393338
Check out that legends viewer program. Maybe you can find more clues through that?

>>152365050
>feulcvkes twhen

>>152371361
Well thanks, she's actually done nails for a bit, I'm fond of them too.

>>152373824
Yeah, Timbukdrew has such a great style.

>>152374330
Ah, you can do that yourself now.

>>152393568
Strangely, it doesn't seem to have any input at all on the matter.

>>152395334
Did you check out their sites? Legends automatically tells you of any conflicts.

>my civ is dead
>I get no migrants
>15 dwarves trying to hold this shit together
>Forgotten Beast burning up the cavern layer
>Can't get shit built because not enough workers

I feel hopeless. Should I just re-gen the world? Open up the cavern layer and let the FB wreck my shit?

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>>152396332
weaponize it