/scg/, /edg/: Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous General

1st for vibshin

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First for SC booth

2nd for niggers on a stick called my dick

>>151895186
Did you post the right OP image?

>>151895557
Yes. I try not to post specific images to either game and I've run out of E:D and SC mashups since thread #4. Now I post SOON because soon,

I see nmsg has descended into 'I don't care if it's a shit game, I'm having fun'.

Remerge soon.

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>>151895749
It costs too much, it needed another year of development but was forced out do to it's publisher and only the exploration gameplay is decent.

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>>151895671

Feel free to remove some of the ED-related aspects of this image and add SC ones. This is a classic dadgerous image, wouldn't want it to go to waste.

I have a few more that I'll post.

>>151895749
>remerge

With the tremendous amount of salt and shitposting I saw, I hope not. Kicking them out what the best shit we could've done. Now, if hey truly do begin dying and most of their shitposters die off I'd have no problem with it.

>>151896174
>Now, if hey truly do begin dying and most of their shitposters die off I'd have no problem with it

That's what happened to /scg/ and /edg/

When will ED add waifu?

>>151896330
it took us like 3 years for this to happen

>>151896623
I don't see a merge happening anytime soon http://steamspy.com/app/275850

Korean grindfest question.

Are naval missions always demanding allied from the sub faction giving them? Does drac 17 hand out naval ascension?

>>151896330
Sadly most of our shitposters with SCAM and NEVER are from /scg/. and as >>151896623 has said, even through periods of time that both threads often died, it took fucking forever.

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So are they going to add more SRVs other than just the scarab? Would love a combat focused rover, and preferably less shitty controls.

So will the borders shift in Star Citizen? Like, will lawless space sometimes become lawful and vice-versa?

We all know the UEE is an analogy of the Roman Empire, and Terra seems to be an analogy of Constantinople, will the UEE split into two with Earth eventually being sacked like Rome?

>>151896796
this sounds more /v/ than /scg/

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>>151896925
I want to be able to drive a big tank SV off the Anaconda's ramp.

>>151897129
we can't just blame /v/ for everything. As a person who survived that shit, it was just us. We had the occasional /v/ thread link, but it was just people from the thread posting the same bait with the same replies with the same Org shit and fur posting and scam and never and all things under the sun. It's clear almost all of them lost interest, but that took months of the thread simply not being there.

That's simply just how we were.

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Reminder that they're removing the HUD from helmets and migrating a lot of the information down to MFDs that sit outside of your field of view, forcing you to use freelok (And lose control of your ship) next patch

Either they have to dump the idea or -completely- redo the cockpits in all of the ships

>>151897120
that'd be dank
like a cooler empyrean age

Holy shit boys, I just finished my first Sothis run in the little Adder that could.

Took 2 hours, got jumped by NPC pirates a bunch, had to scoop a tank of fuel every ~6 jumps, but I made it back with 23 tons of cargo and made myself a sweet 4.5M CR.

Stoked.
What new toys shall I buy?

>>151897721
an asp

>>151897721
Ibuprofen

>>151897721
Why not both?

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>>151895671
>>151896067

>>151897721

You could probably outfit a usable Cobra MkIII.

Try not to crash when you boost. Motherfucker's fast.

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Wow. As if it needed any more reasons to be shit, latest test server patch removes the gun hardpoint from one of the reliant's wings. No idea if it's a bug or intended yet.

>>151898832
this is probably the last straw for CIG I can't believe they keep doing this shit I'm outta here

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>>151898832
Why do you still own that piece of shit? The only cool thing about it is that it has a cool explosion look and sound, which you'll luckily hear and see often.

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>>151898832
It is intentional.

>>151899384
The tractor beam on the hardpoint he is talking about, that has always meant to be swappable for gunz

>>151899010
Because it's the test server and it doesn't matter? Also waiting till they patch to live to actually upgrade away just in case they raise the price again for the flight ready sale.

>>151899442
I know, other wise it there would be another hard point for a gimbal.

So, how would you all balance ships like the Reliant Kore or some of the cheap but shitty ED ships. Is there a way to balance them aside from price? Are they forever left to RP purposes? Or perhaps relegated to a non-scaling manner in which their main use is for newbies or in safe areas?

>>151899727
I'm not sure what that first anon is implying then, is he saying that you can no longer put ANYTHING on that wing?

>>151899743

Keelback needs to be tougher and maneuver better, especially given it has those huge fuck-off gimbaled thrusters.

I have no idea how you'd fix the Cobra MkIV. It's a train wreck.

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>>151895671
>>151896067

>>151895991
I can't get over the detail in the eyes, man.

>>151899743
They just need to implement armour and the way ships fall apart better. Right now some ships are just at a hilarious advantage due to elements that were never intended in their design. As they develop locational damage and armour, they'll be able to fine tune shit like this, so ships with wackier designs don't just fall to pieces in the way they do.

>>151900091
This is awe inspiring.

It's like vogon poetry.

I refuse to believe that whatever creature spawned this had any intention but making the most terrible piece of writing in existence.

>>151899937
So there were two size 1's one the wings, and two size 3's one the wing tips.
They removed one the size 3's so that it reflects the specs. They say tractor beam but that was just the stock equipment, its really just a hard point.

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>>151899937
the option to put anything there is gone and there's a couple bug reports made about it. Some are claiming it's just part of the 'random hard points disappearing' bug but seems odd that it's always the same wing and happening to multiple people and I've never seen that bug happen to a gun hard point on other ships, only missile pylons.

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>>151896748
No, I've gotten them from friendly.

Yes, I did every ascension from there to make a few extra mil each time (always long haul, hope you got cargo space).

If you're cycling to pop the mission, try donating for a while longer, mine never popped until I was 5% into the next rank, then they were always present.

>>151896925
Just give me a hoverer thing, fdev clearly cannot into ground controls.

>>151900106
>>151900027
Let me add onto what I'm asking. How would you balance a ship which is clearly outclassed by contemporaries? Especially those ships that aren't much different in price. For example, I never felt the need to fly ships such as the Adder in ED. Skipped over it entirely to get the Viper. I feel that certain ships follow that pokemon mantra, where it may not be great but you only use it because you like it a lot.

I can't think of any obvious examples in SC aside from the reliant.

>>151896925
Yes. No idea when or what kinds, but they've said there will be more. I'd like a Wipeout style srv that hovers and it for racing/fast exploration. That and large, industrial style srvs that will only fit in size 4 and 6 slots, but can carry a lot and is equipped to mine/drill into a planet to get resources.

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>>151900091
It's just as terrible the second time.

>>151898667
>>151898787
Bought a Type-6 with plenty of coin to spare. Comfy space trucking here I come.
Fit it out with a 4-A drive. Lots of cargo room.
However, whenever I set up a 'fastest' route to jump, it keeps telling me that while the jump should be in my range and the course is plotted, it's going to use more fuel than the jump limit (3T) when I spool up. How do I unfuck this? Or change the map to make smaller jumps?

>>151900449
Well, again speaking about SC because I don't know anything about ED, these are the ships that will be filling the universe, some are cheaper than others, also availability will mean not all will be on sale at all vendors.

There are plenty of pros and cons in there, such as trading (how big is the cargo hold), how much damage a ship can take (shields etc), the signature system, if it has a bed, missiles vs conventional weapon hardpoints and so on.

Most players aren't min-maxers who just want the absolute best stats for pure dogfighting. See how popular the Mustang Beta is just for being NEET as fuck.

So yeah, its roleplaying.

I AM SOTHIS RUN.
MANY MONES
WHAT SPEND MY MILLIONS ON?

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A good friend just gave me $100 for my birthday, so I went and ordered a CH Fighter Stick for Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous. I will buy the throttle later and eventually some pedals. Any recommendations regarding control layouts in the aforementioned games, particularly since it might be a few weeks before I get a throttle?

I almost fell for the Saitek X-56 due to its extra analog stick, but thank God I watched and read reviews first. Saitek is pretty much trash these days apparently.

>>151900642
Re-plot the route. If you change stuff in your ship after plotting a route it won't auto-update to the new mass of your ship. Remember the Type 6 is a nice trade ship but an Asp will easily outrun it and mass lock it, so if one chases you high-wake out and outmaneuver them while your drives charge up. If you just boost away and wait to jump you will get destroyed.

>>151900896
Can you twist that stick for roll? If not, pretty shit.

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>>151900860
Tradeaconda. If you have that, Corvette or Cutter. If you have that, outfitting killvette. If you have that, literally nothing.

>>151900642
I loved the T6. I converted it into an explorer type when I got bored.

I think I'm still parked somewhere out close to the core when Powers was announced.

>>151900642

Are you routing single jumps? That's the only way I could see you getting that message. If you want to travel beyond your ship's immediate range you have to select to "plot" a route in the galaxy map.

It's been very long since I've been in a lowrange ship. Are you carrying enough fuel?

also i am pretty drunk sorry

>>151900896
In SC stick plus keyboard works well. I almost prefer it to HOTAS because on my keyboard I can control rolling and strafing much more easily than my throttle. In ED, I believe that KBM is superior to stick aside from immersion sake.

>>151901012
twisting should be for yaw if anything

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>>151899743
mostly just adding or upgrading hardpoints and tweaking speed/agility.

Aurora- delete all auroras but the LN

Mustang- Alpha is fine, Beta gets pylon mounts,
Delta gets S3 shields, Gamma gets a nose turret

Avenger- add a custom energy weapon option for nose mount

300i- fix the damn interior to be what it was advertised as. Make the hull a bit tougher.

Reliant- Make wings much more durable. Buff yaw movement. figure out way to allow seat exit in vertical mode.

Gladius-change wings to S3s

Cutlass- rebuild from scratch.

M50- double the number of missiles, add a pair of S1 guns

Hornet- Make turret-less Hornets a bit faster.

Freelancer- Fix fucking view. Slight speed increase.

Gladator- buff turret guns to S2, bump combat speed up to 200m/s

Retailator- buff speed/agility/hull strength Add a pair of s5 hard points controlled by pilot.

Vanguard- rebuild from scratch.

Khartu-Al- buff speed and agility. Add a pair of S2 hard points.

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Daily Reminder: Empire is best faction

>>151900973
>>151901234

That did it. Thanks, I plotted before grabbing cargo and it must have fucked up.

Trying to get back into E:D, got all my controls mapped the way I remember them, but I have a question.

My throttle seems to work as;
push throttle forward (in any position) -> more throttle

pull throttle back -> less throttle

is there any way to instead map my throttle to the position of the physical throttle? Like, halfway forward=half throttle?

>>151901574
>I believe that KBM is superior to stick aside from immersion sake.
I've been using a controller.
Am I full retard?

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>>151901696
>wanting the empire and, by proxy, dads to win

remove dad

>>151900896
As someone who owns both the ch stick and throttle, I'd have gotten the throttle first.

Also avoid the CH pedals, they're terrible.

>>151895186
>forthright
not fortnight

>>151901821
If you're just relaxing and not dong pvp, no. But if you're trying pvp with a controller than yes, you've gone full retard.

>>151901012
>>151901574
CH doesn't have a twist function.
Also I'd much rather have z axis mapped to roll for space games.

>>151901012
Real military fighters do not have any twist function on their sticks. That is what pedals are for. Putting twist on the stick makes them too prone for accidental inputs which is why high end sticks do not have that feature (and anything made by Saitek is not going to be high end).

>>151901821
You lose an entire axis of motion by using a controller.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Jw7Kx80f4&index=41&list=PLKKQy01wKk4YpzmJaoe6v9ggRu9mtPCVV

>>151901718

Being weighed down by cargo reduces your range, so yeah, what was a jump on the edge of your range while empty now requires more fuel than you can dump into the drive in a single go.

Only plot after you've loaded up, or use the cargo slider in the galaxy map course plotter if you know exactly how much you plan to carry.

>>151901643
>retaliator
needs reworked interior

>>151901696
That thing has a cat toy as a middle section...

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>>151901893
don't talk to me or my son ever again

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Fuck whoever designed the in-game version of the Vanguard. My shipfu needs a massive rework.

>>151902113
>>151902057
So the stick is shit, got it.

6DOF spacesims are not jet fighters.

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>>151901935
I've heard people call them "nut crushers" because they're too close together. In your opinion would they be better with a mod like this, or are they simply not worth the bother? I am pretty handy with power tools.

>>151902204
check out the filename

>>151902113
I'd rather have twist, the movement feels more natural and I hate using pedals.

And you can tweak dead zone in most games or configuration software to eliminate accidental twist movements

>>151902035
Oh, ok, I'm just comfy space trucking.

I'm gonna get my HOTAS out at somepoint but I cbf learning all the inputs again till I'm ready to have a crack at PvP

>>151902332
The version we got is so much better than this shitshow, glowing lights aside. All the changes were straight upgrades.

>>151902349
Just about everyone playing with sticks is saying that CH is the best option in both the SC and ED communities. It's better to have great X and Y movement with Z movement mapped to something else than to have a mediocre Z movement slapped on at the expense of X and Y. Twist is a feature for budget sticks.

>>151902390
Like I said

>>151901696
Empire ships are fucking trash. The only nice thing about them are the interiors.

>>151902642
Too true. Only good one is ieagle because gutameya only tinkered with a good ship. Fucking hardpoints on pontoons, man.

>>151902461

All the Vanguard is now is a bunch of Retaliator and Sabre parts thrown together into one underpowered ship. I was hoping for a more original product.

>>151902580
The differences you are talking about are non existent in, it's all in your fucking head. Any vaguely high level stick will be fine for SC or ED.

>>151902642
At least we have milfs and qts

Is there a way to adjust sensitivity in Elite: Dangerous? It doesn't detect small motions with the joystick, and large motions are too much for small corrections

>>151902381
Yeah, way too close together, and the deep foot wells on the pedals are obnoxious.

You could try modding them like that, the internal mechanisms are actually pretty simple.

I actually use http://www.kwikpit.com/ezemod.htm and the skid plate plus being able to rest my feet half off the pedals for a bit more leg room helps a lot.

But over all it's probably easier to just buy the basic saitek pedals.

>>151902461
t. Paul

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>>151902797
The torpedoes in the life pod design still blow my mind. All because they didn't want to let it have a small cargo/utility space

>>151903292
I really don't want to put up with Saitek's quality if I can avoid it, and also the CH native compatability would be nice to have.

That kit looks cool and I might consider it given how cheap it is. I think I'd still be interested in finding a way to widen the stance on the pedals, though. I just can't see myself wanting my legs that close together for extended periods of play.

>>151901696
what is that thing, is that actually in ED?
>interesting ship design
I bet you can't fly it huh

>>151903621
Just attach a couple of wide boards on top of the pedals with some skateboad grip tape on them for traction?

>>151903834
Imperial Capital ship. It's cool seeing it the first time and then you realize it's just a static object with an entering/exiting animation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de78Odrw6KE

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>>151903525

The life pod doesn't even take up that much room, they could've easily put in some cargo space.

But I guess they didn't want the Vanguard to be too perfect.

>>151903859
Yeah it really shouldn't be all that difficult to modify them. It's just a simple extension so how hard could it be?

It would be great if someone would just make a kit that came with machined metal fighter-style pedals that gave you a wider stance + the fighter jet style pedals. That existing kit for the CH pedals seems to give it similar function to fighter-style pedals although they are still a lot closer together than they should be.

>>151902153
>waves the mouse around like a retard and pretend it's a bug
even the old orgshitters of /scg/ didn't reach this hard

>>151903992
Such a pity that FDev will probably never do anything interesting with the cap ships. No delivery missions to them, they will never turn up at a station to blockade it, nothing.

>>151904094
Well, if you found a good design and a cheap source of metal replacement pedals you could start selling your own kits.

I was really disappointed when Thrust Masters' new pedals were even closer together than CH's. There's a real product gap for flight pedals if you don't want to use saitek or pay for the crazy high end stuff.

>>151904510
They're just another aspect of ED that have potential to be great but are squandered by Frontier's incompetency/inability to care about them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE8B4KptyVI

>>151904510
You can't even destroy them or really do anything to them period. You just destroy some shit on it and it leaves. Incredibly weak. It should explode in a massive fireball, damaging all nearby ships, and demoralize the NPC combatants for several minutes.

>>151904759
It's incredible how massively bullshit all of E:D's trailers were.

>>151904759
>Glorious, elegant Imperial war machine.
>Losing to a clunky, blocky lumbering Feddie warship
Nice propaganda vid. Majestic's are weak as fuck though so it's probably true

>They're just another aspect of ED that have potential to be great but are squandered by Frontier's incompetency/inability to care about them.
Yep. So much potential wasted.

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>>151904681
Yeah, Thrustmaster's new design was extremely disappointing, especially since a lot of people were hoping they would make a pedal companion piece for the Warthog.

If I had access to a CNC machine I could try my hand at designing some replacement CH pedals in CAD, although I would need some kind of textured pipe to attach to the base where the foot pushes against. Even just having a 3D printer to prototype with would be a start.

Pedals are mechanically a very simple device, and unfortunately most of the third-party ones these days seem to be very over-engineered (pic related), and as such end up costing many times more than the actual sticks they're going to be paired with.

If there's one thing I have to hand it to CH for, it's that they managed to keep their pedals mechanically simple, while being durable and cheap even if they're not comfortable. Using that as a starting point for a third-party mod kit would be highly preferable to something made from scratch.

>>151904997
The official launch trailer was the worst.
>Fighting near a station.
>Instant supercruiser.
>Ship yawing and flipping around almost instantly.
Some of the stuff like E3 trailers were okay though.

>>151905463
They could easy fit a small docking pad on the capitals ships somewhere so small ships acting as tenders could dock with them. Some kind of cargo hatch to cargo hatch docking might work as well. Cargo hatch seems pretty multipurpose after all.

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SC Ai editor

>>151906105
>No, I don't like the tour!

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This screenshot makes me want to upgrade to a PC that plays games at 4k/120fps then I realize I would have to spend more than $1600 on hardware. The monitor alone would cost around $500-700 or more

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>>151906105

>MorrowTour_Yuri

>>151906376
you'll need a budget of 4K in GPUs to support 4K and high frames

>>151906309
>>151906105
so the options are
>ok
>no
>fuck no
I wonder what the consequences of fuck no are. maybe the crew takes an immediate disposition drop, or the commanding officer says "fine, fuck you then" and throws you out on a mission, or both.

>>151906376
It's an expensive hobby.

>>151906309
>>151906970
>fuck no
>assigned latrine duty

>>151906376
These days the only major bottleneck on most gaming PCs is going to be the GPU. If you have at least an Ivybridge i7 with 16GB of of DDR3 RAM you should still be good for a few more years. My i7 3770k has been holding out remarkably well and I've got it overclocked to 4.5GHz on water.

My GPU is a different story. I've still got a 4GB GTX 680 and while it still gets good framerates in most games, really demanding shit like Star Citizen is kind of choppy. I wouldn't upgrade my GPU just for Star Citizen, but once I can afford a GTX 1080 I am going for it and slapping a water block on that thing.

being able to change hud colours in-game when?

>>151901893
Why do we want the Federation to win? I thought dads liked feds

>>151909625
Dads like imps since they have better trade ships and dads are the trade.

>>151907687
SC's current FPS issues are not solely caused by your hardware btw. I mean I'm sure much of it is, but there's also a significant server issue right now that no hardware can overcome.

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>>151909625
>>151909704
They're also fdev's favored faction.

Also this garbage is about a stronk imperial womyn and is written by a turbofedora forumdad: >>151900091

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How did we go from this

>>151909704
Does that explain why I hate the courier?

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>>151909938
to this.
>Thank you FDev, for all those options.

>>151909938
how many of those had unique consequences, or was it just a layer of immershun over an accept/decline decision

>>151909932
>Also this garbage is about a stronk imperial womyn and is written by a turbofedora forumdad
Are you talking about that prolapse novel? Was she an Imperial? I thought she was just possessed by a space mind parasite thing. Man that book was shit.

Wanted was okay though. Lesbian bounty hunter and a fight near a pulsar/magnetar.

>>151910250
The only immersion ED offers is in the sound and graphics.

>>151909768
Yeah I know that, SC is currently in alpha and it's very poorly optimized at this point. Still, I think it may be a sign of things to come. I'll probably start saving up now and then a few months down the road I'll be able to afford an upgrade that'll last me a few years.

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>hunted across a solar system by a surprisewinder
>die a couple times
>fly up to him outside station
>turn on lights
>he self destructs

What is the official /edg/ ship?

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>>151910250
First one is just regular accept.
Next 3 just give you more information, which can be nice.
More money is more money.
Money upfront is nice if you sell them out later.
Last 3 are just refuse, no difference I think.

>>151910609
Python I guess

I left ED a couple years ago with an ASP explorer and am thinking of coming back. I would like to get a corvette. What's a fun way to get there that won't make me want to kill myself?

>>151910609
Corvette.

>>151910996
Fun doesn't exist. Sothis/Ceos is the only option if you want to get it before you die of old age.

>>151911304
Why the fuck do they do that? Isn't the point of the game to have fun? Is there a fun game that I can play in space? I'd play SC but there's so little to do. I'm thinking of going into a coma for five years.

>>151901643
>M50
>buff

No, the Mswarm is fine.

>>151901643
>m50
>missiles
if it has any, it has too many.

What Powerplay faction are you in, /edg/?

>>151911543
I would say Space Engineers if they didn't delete the physics

When is item 2.0 supposed to be completed?

>>151911543
I'd just use one of the cheaper/easier to get ships and have fun doing other things.

>>151912064
Can the ASP fight or is it only good at running?

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>>151911543
>Isn't the point of the game to have fun?
just use ur imajinashin ;)

https://youtu.be/aAlPnvr3X-k

fug

>>151912305
>onscreen keyboard
why does that look like part of the HUD. is that actually something you can turn on in SC?

>>151912151
I found 6 gimballed multicannons work pretty well for PvE. Not optimal by any means but it gets the job done most of the time.

>>151912419
It'a plug in for xplit

>I record and stream using xSplit, it is a plugin for it. The name is "Input Visualizer" and i believe it is exclusive from xSplit. But there are many others on the internet, like the Nohboard.

>>151912151
ASP isn't going to be the best fighter, but if you can dish out the few million for an ASP you can afford a pretty decent combat ship

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>>151909625
Some of the most annoying faggots on plebbit/frontier dadvelopment forums like Empire for whatever reason. I enjoy the way emp stations look and I find the faction more interesting, but realistically, the Federation is simply more well equipped to handle combat and serious shit. Christ, Core Dynamics runs the fucking combat ship game, and it's canon that the federation is very strict about code and conduct regarding alien life. (In both protecting it and blowing it the fuck out when it poses a threat) Whenever the inevitable thargoid invasion happens, I'm siding with the faction deploying the murder fridges built for fucking shit up rather than the faction shitting out flying iphones while having its own longass episode of space Game of Thrones.

>>151912554
How is the federal gunship? Is that a realistic goal to grind for without wanting to kill myself?

>>151912740
If you're looking for a good combat ship around that price range, get a FAS.

>>151912545
neat

>>151912821
Alright. What's the best way to grind out the rank?

CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME A TRADECONDA SETUP
I HAVE ABOUT 278 MILLION CREDITS, AND I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ONE RIGHT?

>>151913146
https://coriolis.io/outfit/anaconda/0patnFklndksxf5----------------0605053c4d040403032f24.Iw18ZlA=.Aw18ZlA=

Would a Fer De Lance build with 4 Plasma Accelerators that all fire at once be possible?

>>151910609
Orca

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I haven't checked back on star citizen news in a while, have they fixed the insane amount of clipping issues or at least figured out how they're planning on fixing it?
You don't need to worry about crimestat respawn penalties since you can run through the closed door.
You don't need a suit since you can clip out through the floor and EVA around space just holding your breath(Which is actually pretty interesting that lack of air isn't really modelled and its just the depressure that kills you)
Getting back in the Mustang Alpha in space is nearly impossible since you'll clip through the ceiling.

>>151910609
>>151913502

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uezbn1n5XMA

>>151912957
17 Draconis is the quickest way. Donations out the ass. Luckily you only need rank 5 for the FAS, so it shouldn't take too long or cost you too much. Bring a ship with at least 40 cargo. The rank up missions offered at the station there are only smuggling/hauling missions and they require about that much space.

>>151913801
Do I need to bring money too? I only have like 111000 credits.

>>151913924
You need a LOT of money. Do Sothis/Ceos to get money, then dump it into Draconis

>>151913924
>>151914056
What he said. Rank 5 really isn't too expensive to get to though. Rear Admiral for Corvette is another story.

>>151914540
Rear admirable is fucking insane.
Millions upon millions.
Fuck I'm sure I could have bought a conda instead.

I like Elite: Dangerous. I like that it simulates the “boring” parts of the space pirate fantasy. You spent a ton of time driving from place to place and requesting permission to dock and docking and being worried about fuel and saving up for a better ship and HOLY SHIT A FUCKING PIRATE THIS IS NOW THE SCARIEST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO ME WHAT IF I LOSE EVERYTHING

Boredom is a big part of what makes that experience work. Boredom makes the intense moments that much more intense. You also feel way more like Malcolm Reynolds when you’re sighing and going “WHEN are we going to GET THERE” than when you’re doing big epic space fights.

But! Boredom is boredom, and you have to do something to alleviate the boredom. So you may do exercises, or you may get a beer and a trucker hat and listen to country music so you feel like those rednecks who get killed at the beginning of Starcraft.

Me? I break out my Surface and watch The Good Wife. I roleplay as a feminist space trucker who really likes legal procedurals.

>>151914750
How would you compare it to the grind for a cutter? That was insane doing the missions, but is it easier/harder/the same to just earn money, and then dump money?

My friend at work was really butthurt at his shift tonight because someone trashed star citizen in some video. Are all backers that autistic?

Is there any point to combat?

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>>151915035
Is their any point to anything anon.

Does Robigo Smuggling still work well enough?

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>>151914750
I know.

>>151913390
With enough engineer fuckery, probably. If you plan on using it for pvp at all, you'll get fucking dunked by the first person using any thermal shock mods though.

>>151913562
and how the hell would they model 'lack of air'?

>>151915832
Maybe if I turned the Engines to resisting thermals, I could negate the repercussions of firing 4 PAs at once, and resist shock

>>151915920
If you go somewhere without oxygen and don't have a suit you die.

>>151915945
The only good way to combat thermal shock is by putting integrity mods on everything you can and stacking heat sinks. Four medium PAs are going to generate a massive amount of heat no matter how you mod them, and the first thing to go when you start overheating will be your heatsinks. I don't know why they go so quickly, but they do. There's a reason a lot of people are bitching about thermal shock, and that's because it is literally the meta. I can't fucking figure out why they didn't make it work like corrosive shell/scramble spectrum where it needs to actually hit the hull for the effect to work. Gaining heat from lazers hitting fucking shields makes no goddamn sense.

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>>151915032
No, just the people your associate with.

>>151904759

I just watched that video.
I dont know what I'm feeling right now but I think it's some form of anger.

>>151916359
Most of the new engineer weapon effects make little sense. None of them are available as stand alone weapons? Only 1 person in the goddamn galaxy know how to make them?

Also if these thermal weapons are so powerful why aren't the Federal Navy or Imperial Navy using them. I know the forumdads would reply "cause they're experimental and unreliable", well the military will throw money at it until it is reliable if it will give them the edge.

>>151916782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwoXcpqp3Ew

and the absolute must-watch classic follow up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChOVfFJJTdI

>>151909625

The dads flip flop whenever something in the "story" happens.

>months ago dads supported the empire
>muh space waifu
>powerplay gets fucked up
>lol emergent gameplay guys FD didnt fuck up
>federation starts doing "better"
>wtf I hate the empire now
>dads get shit on by actual empire players for helping the feds

And when the next update comes out and FD completely screws more powerplay factions all of this shit will happen in reverse. Then the "war" will happen and literally no one will care.

Independent for life. Powerplay is for retards.

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>>151911543
But what makes Elite so compelling isn’t so much about the game as the experience. It’s the tinkering with and the taking out of a performance car for a Sunday drive, not to rack up more miles, nor to break any speed limits, but to just feel the growl of the engine and the wind comb through what’s left of your hair. To remember those carefree days arched over a BBC Micro or blinking angrily into a Lenslok and to forget for a short while that you have to make 357 people redundant in the morning. Elite is a hermetically-sealed escape capsule and it’s the best there is. Hell, you could fire the game up and just sit there on a launch pad and the sounds are enough to carry you away, so strong is your ship’s presence and so absorbing are the station surroundings.

Taking off, tearing through the station entrance a little too fast and just missing a Python, angling for the next jump, scooping fuel from a blazing sun, spinning the camera around your ship to catch its best profile, starting a fight just for the hell of it, seeing smok rise from the command console, hearing the screen crack and precious oxygen escaping into space and landing back at base with seconds to spare – these are the moments that make Elite essential. Trading, missions, mining – not so much. But it’s ok, we’re not going anywhere.

>>151916983

hahahaha
I've never seen a game get BTFO that hard.
Hope this guy does it to NMS too.

>>151896925
>>151900431

The problem with the SRV is that it's literally 4 tons of ass.

The back end wants to be the front at all times. I just learned to drive the thing backwards and hey, no more spinning out.

>>151917839
stop this

>>151916854
Actually, if thermal shock were fixed in the manner I described, many builds would become viable for pvp. A lot of the effects are pretty damn nice and powerful. Thermal venting is spectacular for beam lasers, corrosive shell/incendiary are great upgrades for MC heavy builds, dispersal field for cannons is really amazing when fighting larger ships, all the shield restoring mods for lasers are really cool and useful for wings, drag munition for missiles are fantastic for chasing down faster ships, plasma slug allows railguns to be used effectively in CZs/RESs, I could go on.

The problem is that the best thing to use, bar none, is thermal shock with only a little room for variation. The meta fucking sucks right now all because thermal shock works way too well. Making it only work on hull strikes is the only real way to fix this problem. This way it would be good for finishing off targets and taking down silent running hull tank builds, not for fucking every engagement.

Fuck I get mad every time I think about how stupid FD was with this shit.

>>151917848
The only trailers as bad as ED's are MMO trailers. Invariably they too show far more interesting combat than what you get in-game.

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Are we all friends now or can i still post this

>>151919112
>Fuck I get mad every time I think about how stupid FD was with this shit.

The clusterfuck that is power play module/weapon balance should have set your expectations rather accurately.

>>151899743

The Reliant needs to be more... Reliant.

Currently it is fragile, unmaneuverable and slowish. And its weapons are set 29 meters away from each other.

They need to make it far more durable and more maneuverable too.

>>151919112
Aside from the inevitably shitty balancing I just wish it all felt a bit more integrated with the setting. Like maybe add some Imperial and Federal military Engineers.
"We made a thing, go test it in a quiet part of the galaxy and report back how it works."

I know Sandro said "oops we dropped the ball with Engineers".

But I suspect where we think Sandro and friends went wrong and where Sandro thinks Sandro and friends went wrong are totally different.

>>151919271
we're friends but you can still post it

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>>151919510
>And its weapons are set 29 meters away from each other.
Is MISC the Gutamaya of Star Citizen?

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>>151919271
Except for a few holdout asshats /edg/ and /scg/ seem to pretty much be friends now, yeah. I think we've both managed to mellow out enough to take some jokes at our own expenses.

>>151919641
Yeah I think the Cultists and Dads are safely confined to their respective Reddits and forums these days.

>>151919624
As shit as the wingtip weapons in the courier are, the courier is at least still small as fuck and can use fixed guns against pythons and shit just fine.

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>>151919624

No, not at all.

Its far worse. You can actually pass almost every fighter in the game between the gap of those two guns.

>>151912585
>murder fridge

well, I know what I'm naming my corvette

>>151920087
Actually found that using the left or right plus mid is good for fixed guns. Then stick something else on the other wing hardpoint.

>>151920232
So no gun harmonisation in SC either?

>>151919624
>not using fixed MC and 2 medium seekers/pack hounds for the true jet fighter/macross experience

>>151920427
>So no gun harmonisation in SC either?

Not that anon, but I'm assuming the word you're looking for is gun convergence.

>>151920681
>Anything in E:D
>Behaving like Macross or a Jet

anon

biplane at best.

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>>151920872
I wanna dream. at least I get to watch pretty contrails

the iCourier sounds totally like a jet fighter though

>>151920790
No, harmonisation is correct. Some people call it convergence though. Even the Xwing and TIE Fighters games had it.

I enjoy Elite lore

r8

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I'm playing Elite: Dangerous and I need a bit of help.

I thought of participating in a conflict as a mercenary. I found this mission here that said to help the Empire in the Pleiades system C2-16.

The marker on the galaxy map sends me in the Gunnovale system. I go there, the marker indicates that I need to land in the Clauss City space station.

And then what? I looked at the mission board and there's nothing there except for some courier jobs.

I looked at the galaxy map and there is no War or Civil War state anywhere to be seen.

What is this? Where's the conflict?

>>151921807

I'm a new player myself and the way I understand it whenever there's a war both sides are duking it out in Conflict Zones

>>151921865
I've been looking this up on Google for the previous two hours and I still didn't get an actual answer for "where the hell is a system with a conflict zone"

>>151921957
You're shit at googling.
https://eddb.io/system/50120

>>151921957
CZ's are found around planets in the system. If you don't see any on the nav menu you have to get within 1000 ls to see them. Simply drop in and go to the functions tab on your right screen. There you'll be able to pick which side you're gonna fight on.

>>151922208
Found that already. I have no idea how to input those coordinates in the game

>read time to time the retaliator is shit
>watch lets plays etc.
>some guy buys it, total excited
>some videos later he rides the refailiator with a full crew and gets almost btfo by vanduul niggers

fucking useless. weak turrets and no one could hit shit because aiming is garbage

>>151922329
Since I'm in a jolly mood:

Target the nav beacon in supercruise
Drop into it
Once you're there, find the navigation beacon itself under your contacts panel and target it
Point your ship towards it until it finishes scanning

Congratulations, you have the system data now. Go buy an advanced discovery scanner.

>>151922710
I think you replied to the wrong guy.

Heyo lads, how does one buy an Interdiction Drive in Elite?

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>>151922401
>Full crew
>Facing Vanduul

I have the Mustang Alpha, what should I upgrade to?

>>151923185
could be some pirates at a mission or something like that, just some light fighter npc.. still

>>151923279

The Mustang Beta and cruise around in the comfiest ship in the universe.

>>151924689
>beta cuck
>most useless:the ship

why can't there be an endgame ship with the jump range and firepower of the anaconda, the agility of the corvette and the shields and speed of the cutter?

Why are all endgame ships so underwhelming?

>>151925190
What do you mean, there is already the ultimate endgame ship, Cobra mkIII.
o7

>>151925190
The flaw of the corvette and cutter are not that they're not good enough, but that there are ships leading up to them that are too good and establish the precedent that "end game" ships should be as good.

Are you following Frontier's promises of big reveals at Gamescom?

Today this little bit of in-game news dropped:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57ada8c69657baeb6e876c6d

Now I have to ask, what exactly is it the ship builders of the galaxy are working on? A new inter-system jump drive? A new super-long-range jump drive? New ships with specialized FSDs? I guess we will know next Thursday!

>>151926526
Neither is an interesting prospect.

>>151926526

Thargoid drives.

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Some interesting stuff from the ED reddit.

1. Federal corvette actual ship size. Model taken from the game and put into UE4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2LI6lbmkQw

2. Pretty cool massive fleet video about a group going to Jaques.

https://i.imgur.com/gLvuNmb.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-I8He4KJ3s

3. An Empire Farragut. wat

4. 850ms Eagle.

https://gfycat

.com/AllEvergreenGiraffe

850ms eagle

try 25 000 ms eagle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxI9wtgEV44
funnily theres black out and red out in this game. but you never achieve the g-forces required to achieve those
(expect on really tuned up viper mk3 turns)

>>151927936

a space game with real physics would be 0 fun

>>151927936
>funnily theres black out and red out in this game. but you never achieve the g-forces required to achieve those
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VioyAzfgkM
Boost turning with a few ships will do it.

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>>151927013
>AYY LMAO drives

>>151926526
>A new inter-system jump drive?
This'll piss off the Hutton run idiots.

>A new super-long-range jump drive?
This'll piss off the Buckeyball run idiots.

FDev should introduce both for maximum lulz. But they won't.

>>151928384
A little gem is that atmospheric friction is also a thing.

Go planetside in something big and fast like a clipper, boost, and when you turn at max speed you'll heat up.

>>151928778
>A little gem is that atmospheric friction is also a thing.
But every planet we land on has no atmosphere. The heat is how FDev explains away the fact that any ship can land anywhere (even Cutters on 9.0 g planets). Our thrusters work superhard and generate heaps of heat. Why we can't do this in normal space? Quick look over there! Ship-launched fighters!

What kind of weapon is good for the vulture?

I kinda hate using ammo consuming weapons since sooner or later i manage to jump into a fight having forgot to restock.

But my burst lasers are getting long in the tooth. Or should i just get horizons and get some engineers to poke my guns?

>>151928932
Twin pulse is the boring but efficient answer. I used 1 beam and 1 cannon back before C3 and 4 multicannons were a thing.

>>151929025

Pulse? Have to admit i was thinking those did too little damage. Is it the sustainability of them that pays off?

>>151929139
Pulses have the best damage per energy of the lasers so you can keep shooting forever. But it's really boring and led me to sell my Vulture.

Later I tried it again I found 1 C3 beam keeps the capacitor busy and then 1 C3 cannon can splat anything it hits. And this setup is a little more interesting than twin pulse.

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>>151919112
>all the shield restoring mods for lasers
Please explain

>>151929352
Concordant Sequence: A modification that causes weapon strikes to temporarily enhance the regeneration rate of a wingman's shield, at the cost of increased heat generation

Regeneration Sequence: Friend or Foe Beam modulation upgrade. When the beam strikes a wingman's shield its energy is regulated, regenerating the shield instead of damaging it

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>>151926526
Probably a warp gate using thargoid technology that jumps you straight to Jacques.

>>151928485
https://twitter.com/michaelgapper/status/764062439641976832

>>151930159
>inb4 it happens and attracts the thargoids

>High tech system
>they only have shitty 1g multicannons

how do I find decent hi tech systems

>>151930732
So far Ive found Ix seems to have the best inventory.

When will the frontier presentation take place?

>>151930463
So like the face melting scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark?

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>>151895186
don't mind me, I just came to adore your OP.

>>151931169
What is a good alternative to tracksuits for warm climates?

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>>151931386

>>151930732
Ix. Djagraundi (maybe mispelled), tsim binba.

I would be mad about having to make 2 trips carrying Cigars for this engineer but then I remember that in 50 years she'll die of lung cancer so I win in the end.

>>151927549
>An Empire Farragut
Its a fairly common bug, game doesn't seem to check which major faction it is when spawning Capital Ships.

>>151930732

Sort the galaxy map using the high tech filter, then find the system with the largest population.

>>151933048

Got drunk on saturday and grinded out 25 modular terminals in one evening. Thank you, drunk me.

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>>151933048
>cigars
>lung cancer

Is the Adder a competitive ship?

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>>151933350

It's competitive within its tier, i.e. cheap starter ships.

Pic related.

When are they implementing fighter bays?

I want to leave my Cutter orbiting beside an outpost while I take my iEagle down to the station to cash my combat bonds.

>>151933634
Two weeks.

>>151933634

This will pretty much be the most useful aspect of internal fighters.

Though, I don't think an Eagle will fit into any of the current flyable ships. Sidey at most.

To answer your query, I think fighter bays are planned for the next big update. ETA ??? but sometime this fall.

>>151930732
LHS 1443 and it's even in LYR turf for that yummy 15% discount

>>151933847
Isn't LYR only ships?

>>151934192
you may be right, actually

>>151927549
>2. Pretty cool massive fleet video about a group going to Jaques.

That corvette, jesus christ

that guy ain't getting anywhere anytime soon

Is the reliant meant to be terrible or is it just imba atm?

Love the design but it's virtually unflyable.

Did anyone see Elite the Musical 2?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlzfFJpaw_s

>>151934781
It's the first implementation it should better in the future once they add polish

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>>151935135

>>151934781
A little of both. CIG loves to intentionally make ships with glaring design flaws, but the current flight behavior isn't final.

CIG will probably tinker with it to get it fly better after a few patches and they might buff the hp of the wings a bit, but the rest of the issues will stick around.

>>151935135
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlzfFJpaw_s

>the council of elders

are we getting memed on?

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>>151935135
What's that even supposed to be?

>>151935374
what the hell

>>151935374
>Mercy & The Wild Sea: Ebindurgh Cringe Promo Trailer

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In case anyone cares. The F7A bodykit will be a Hornet Mk II skin and they'll make a Mk II Super Hornet as well.

>>151936326
Can't wait for the 300 series rework

>>151936531
http://imperialnews.network/2016/08/reverse-the-verse-episode-2-03-summary/
>300i series will also be allegedly reworked by Chris Smith himself.
>Chris Smith’s current project is the Constellation Aquila. The other variants will come later, but that’s his current project.
Maybe someday it won't be shit.

>>151936326
I might care if they ever resold the body kit

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So basically anything other than Role Playing as a heavy bomber escort squadron, this thing is functionally obsoleted compared to larger groups of Gladiators, right?

Is the federal dropship any good or should i stick to the asp exp

Asp is a good mining vessel.

>>151938349
Depends on how much operational range matters in the final game and the damage difference between the S5 missiles of the Gladiator vs fuckhuge torpedos I guess.

>>151938432
What do you do with the Asp?

>>151938737
Mostly trading and sometimes i try to take down the guys thaT are after me

>>151938507
For the short-range fighters and bombers it will probably end up as
>jump, fly through system, jump, fly to refuel station, fly to jump point, repeat
while the long range ships will be able to go through four or five jumps and systems without caring about fuel.

In the old CR games, the difference between torpedoes and other missiles usually was that torps were dedicated capship killers, able to bypass shields.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xAPQZlWbnec5wnDjjtbHg74KfsR9NRSPP0tUf3JgbA/edit#gid=1113415115

Differences in ship handling from 2.4 to 2.5 if anyone cares

>>151938507
The gladiator will be able to use S2 torpedoes, which apparently 2.5 recognizes them as now.

A dilemma I see with Operational range is the escort. Retaliators will obviously have more range than smaller ships, but it gets escorted by those smaller ships like SHs, Gladii, Sabres, or whathaveyou. You're going to need to stop just as frequently since fighters can't keep up in the long distance. I guess the real difference would be the damage. They could very easily make the S3s 4x stronger than the S2s so that people don't just use S2s with Gladiators swarms, but then that's OP, kind of. Also the Gladiator can sort of be a fighter while Retaliators must run as soon as they drop bombs

>>151939287
Holy christ the constellation is whale tier now

>>151939198
Glad swarms for short range, multiple vanguard harbingers for long range hits.

Course they could always just buff the retailator to suck less instead.

>>151939594
Yep, no more dogfighting for the connie. Probably had to happen to make ships like the cutlass, freelancer, and vanguard seem useful. Especially since they confirmed they're planning on adding torpedo module for the connie later on.

>>151939381
>You're going to need to stop just as frequently since fighters can't keep up in the long distance.
>mfw dedicated tanker for mid-flight refueling will probably never be a thing

>>151940146
>mfw dedicated tanker for mid-flight refueling will probably never be a thing
The starfarer gemni's entire purpose is to refuel military ships mid flight and the larger Hulls are suppose to be able to equip refueling equipment for their escorts as well.

>>151940089
>torpedo module for connie

please, please tell me they won't follow through with this.

>>151940146
The starfarer exists, but I'm hoping they realize that we need a much smaller one focused on individual squadrons. The Starfarer is much too large to bring along for the ride. Protecting that shit would be more difficult than the original job.

>>151940941
maybe they'll let you re-purpose the explorer ships that have expanded fuel tanks for small scale refueling. There can't be that much actual call for exploration itself

>>151940786
Last I read on it, it would replace the cargo bay and carry the smaller Gladiator type torpedoes. But ship modules in general are rather iffy since they're still not in game.
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>finish my first explorer trip
>went about as far as Lagoon Nebula
>came back and made like 8m of profit plus Pathfinder rank
this felt a bit good

>>151941821
Hope you made the profit at an engineer.

>>151942078
what?

>G5 thruster man takes 25 modular terminals followed by 5kly travel from starting system

y tho

>>151942160
Did you sell the data at farseer? If you did you probably would have gotten her to grade 5

>>151942160
Farseer and another one take exploration data to increase rank.

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Which one of you did this?

>>151935135
That shot of a guy punching a hologram punching bag.

What.

>>151942354
>>151942379
well shit
it means that i'll go for another trip in the future
now i just want to do some comfy mining

>>151942268

wrong, he needs 25 unknown fragments.

>Retaliator theorycrafting

It'll work.

They'll force it to work.

Past that, everything is just guessing.

>>151939287
I can't put into words how much I'm looking forward to 2.5

I guess they will drop it during some Gamescom presentation?

I really want a Courier, is it shit?

>>151942610
>I can't put into words how much I'm looking forward to 2.5

Why, exactly?

Nothing major is getting added

and they've made gameplay impossible through removing all HMDs

Is it just me or did Sothis die? Not getting any mirrionr dorrar contracts anymore.

>>151942554
To get to him you need to go through Marco who takes 25 modular terminals.

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>>151939287
>Cutlass manouvering nerfs

but why

Actually, everything is getting a nerf other than the Gladius. Way to fuck up the game even harder, CIG.

>>151942610
sometime this week. I'm waiting for 2.6 since it's finally the fucking FPS shit we need.

>>151942604
nothing wrong with discussing possible uses of ships for later content. We're here waiting for gamescom anyway, so we might as well to keep the thread bumped before we get flooded.

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>>151942923
So dads can play WW2 in space. Welcome to E:D's hell.

>>151942778
I've had a long hiatus, last time I really played was whenever they first introduced the PTU. Some of these balance changes look good, I want to dick around on the bigger ships, etc.

>>151942990
>I'm waiting for 2.6 since it's finally the fucking FPS shit we need.

I don't think there is anything in the game we "need" less than fucking Star Marine. I wish they had just dropped it altogether, I guess it's just coming back so Chris can save face.

>>151943045
It'll never become that bad. The ships maneuver very similarly. Essentially the Gladius is more useful and the Constellation is much less maneuverable. The other changes aren't super noticeable.

>>151943150
oh shit nigger, please come back in March. Major shit soon, but waiting is hard.

>>151942379
Felicity, Elvira and Selene afaik

>>151943150
>Star Citizen
>Anywhere near balanced

It hasn't been anywhere remotely level, the only place where its ever been an experience that relies on skill is in private matches where you agree not to use the broken weapon of the patch

Like, right now they're tweaking strafe power slightly, while there are S2 guns you can cover your ship in and kill anything with a single volley.

>>151943335
It won't be balanced tell all the system are in

>>151943335
Balance changes always have novelty value. Fuck, the flight model has changed since I last played, so there will be a lot of that. I'll probably just dick around and do the NPC missions, they persist between play sessions now right, so you can do multiple even when the game inevitably crashes?

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What is the poor man's gunship?

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>>151942923
Because lately it was *sort of* flying okay as long as it hadn't taken any damage... clearly someone must have managed to shoot down a super hornet with one recently.

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>Try to play vanduul swarm
>nothing but missile spamming dipshits on my team whose missiles circle back and fuck my shit up because they felt the need to lock the target I was focusing

why are people so afraid to close to gun range

>>151943263
>he doesn't want to board ships
>he doesn't want to investigate stations
>he doesn't want to find derelicts and go inside them
>he doesn't want Sq42

>he doesn't want to have 0g FPS battles

why/how do you exist

>>151942710
Its a fine ship. The jump range is 16 with a laser/mc combat loadout. Cockpit is really nice. The only problem i haf with it was during fuel scooping. Overheats pretty fast with an a grade engine.

Its a small target with strong shields because its 35t.

If they made a medium version of it i would forsake my fas.

>>151939287
>Reliant really does YAW at the same speed as the Connie

Okay, that is a bug. It should have the best yaw in the game other than the xian scout. Silly things like this are an inevitable result of the bizarre way they actually simulate the flight model I guess. I just hope this is one they remember to fix sooner rather than later. Guessing it is all down to thruster placement.

>>151943523
>why are people so afraid to close to gun range
Because most of the ships currently have weak as shit firepower?

>>151943536
We can already do all of those things, well other than SQ42. Star Marine is a pointless fake Counterstrike game that also happens to use the FPS. But everything the studio who made it originally did has been redone now by les incompetent people, meaning it was 100% a waste of time. Those features are vital, but Star Marine is a waste of time.

>>151943405
A bad excuse.

Systems being in doesn't explain why they keep on making extremely minor tweaks then making massive systemic changes that make those tweaks irrelevant.

Nor does it explain why it takes multiple patches to work out "Yup, Tarantulas are going straight through people's shields and destroying them before they can react, maybe we should just make a quick and dirty change to that"

>>151943747
The point of 2.6 is the introduction of reworked fps gameplay + animations. Star Marine is secondary.

>>151943703
Is that a joke

Most ships can tear down a Vanduul in a second or two if you can aim worth a shit.

>>151943523
Do missiles still gimp you on points received from killing enemies?

>>151943747
Star Marine is in no way a waste of time.

Imagine them trying to balance ship gameplay without Arena Commander.

The odd person ganking someone in Kareah doesn't give you good feedback for FPS features.

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>>151943496
Depends on your definition of gunship. The Delta probably has the best price/hardpoints ratio.