/4xg/ - Stellaris and 4X Games General

>tfw thread gets archived right as I go to post new thread link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXtakVshUg8

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Things like this are why tech tree is broken. If you're familiar with civ, it shouldn't be hard to understand why you cannot afford to not be taking a path that grants you +50% Science towards getting Crossbowmen, or whatever the next gen Military unit is. Anyone who doesn't beeline straight for this shit will be promptly removed from the game by the people that did.

>>151851285
I agree that it is broken. a 20% tech boost is fine, even 30%, but half the tech pre researched an era or two before you can even get it is just bad. plus, having looked at the tech tree, literally none of the eureka boosts for both the civic and science trees are anything special. its all just normal stuff that will happen during normal gameplay on a normal map. in certain maps you might not get boosts for x or y tech, but on others you will. its very boring looking and it doesnt really make sense.

>>151850676
I want to play the space Japanese.

>>151851285
>If you're familiar with civ
You're thinking with previous games' rules

Is there a way or mod to create a custom character in CK2 and insert them into the game? And is there a mod that lets you play lower lords and courtiers?

>>151852059
crossbowmen are still pretty powerful in 6. hell, even moreso because of unit movement changes onto rough terrain/over rivers.

>>151850676
>Yogscast OP pic
kys

>>151852259
Yeah you can customize your character before you start playing them, you only get X amount of points or whatever to modify them and the more good things you choose, like a lower age, the more points you spend. What do you mean by lower lords? You can play as anybody from a count to an emperor, doesn't matter if there's somebody above or below you. Courtiers no, I'm like 90% sure if you don't directly own any land its game over.

>>151852259
There's a DLC and mods to enhance it.

>>151852059

I mean, unless you can actually use Culture/Religion/Diplomacy in some practical way to impede another person from wiping you off the map with their military in Civ 6 there's no reason to believe this principal will change. And I don't believe anything we've seen has suggested that you can do that. Whatever penalties you receive are just going to be minor annoyances that you can clean up by shitting out happiness buildings.

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Obligatory.

>>151853548
Tugging one out.

>>151854028
Rerolling.

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>Civ sends me a trade request
>Looks good so click accept
>He immediately gets butthurt and says I'm ripping him off

YOU SENT THE FUCKING REQUEST DIPSHIT!

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>>151854669

endless space or stellaris?

>>151856429
Distant Worlds.

>tfw lebensrauming 2 of my neighbor's citadels at the same time
So this is the power of fascism. Not bad.

>>151856429
i got stellaris a few days ago, clocked up 40 hours already.

once you get a handle on fleet compositions the game because much more fun.

diplomacy is fucked, but diplomacy is completely fucked in every single grand strategy i've ever played.

>>151856429
>>151856940
>not Aurora 4X

>>151856429
I don't know about the others but get Stellaris on a sale.

And if you do, have a look at the mods, they are pretty much making a better game than Paradox

>>151861796
Aurora is too complex, I wouldn't suggest it to anyone.

>>151853548
I've started way too many of these so... Roll...

>>151853548
Need something to tide me over until 6 is released. It's the last hope for a quality 4x anytime this decade.

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>>151840448
Remember that one time the Greek general Sun Tzu took the Balkans from England?

This meme of "small ship > big ship" needs to stop.

It's fucking retarded. Corvettes should not be able to take on battleships, it's just absolutely retarded and boring in every way.

>>151864481
>The Mumbles

>>151867037
Why shouldn't they be able to? And how is it more boring than current battleship blobs? At least this will force diversity.

>>151867037
the meme is based on actual events where smaller ships--destroyers and torpedo boats--DID engage and sink ships much larger than themselves.

in terms of spaceships the parallels of capability fall apart, but can sort of make sense? if you skew things the right way.
small ship with devoted space to better engines and few, powerful weapons could work, but if you're talking Stellaris I'm certain Paradox fucked it up and just gave a flat bonus to small ships engaging big ships because 'small = fast right and hard to hit!'

small does not mean fast, small means small. small and EXPENSIVE with the requisite tech means fast.

tl;dr I agree that shit is fucking stupid when it isn't done properly.

I'm gonna compare a handful of games I have and just throw some of my experience with them out there. feel free to call me a blog posting faggot

>>151870728
>>151868369
I have several issues with the idea that a corvette would be able to take on a battleship but I'm just going to list a couple of the more obvious, glaring problems I see with it.

1. There is no possible way the corvettes would be moving fast enough that a computer in an age where they are traveling faster than the speed of light would not be able to calculate precision shots from even the largest guns that are almost always accurate. Bigger guns being less accurate is also a meme with no basis in reality.

2. The meme that a battleship must be loaded with all large, slow, inaccurate guns. EVE Online somewhat falls to this meme as well. If we really built a battleship in space, it would be littered with weapons and missiles of all sizes.

Now I understand that they made certain design choices and they are doing certain things in the name of "balance" and all that. But that's also a problem, they're idiotic design choices and retarded idea of "balance" because muh multiplayer in a game mostly played by singleplaying autists is not a justification for the glaring issues that appear in every aspect of their game.

rant 1/2.

>>151870728

>>151868369
Forced diversity is as bad as no diversity by choice. why WOULD anyone build smaller ships if you could make a bigger, better equipped, and more effective ship instead?
It's a problem of game design. There isn't enough forethought put into "how do we encourage diversity of forces without forcing it on the player?"

In Endless Space there is no reason to build small ships unless you want a specific fleet or ship bonus which is rarely worth it. Unless you want fleets of cheap throwaways, but that literally applies to any game so its a half-assed point.

GC2 suffers the same problem as ES. There's no point in making small ships, unless you want to kit one for a specific fleet bonus to save space on your actual warships or you want to make a throwaway horde.

In Hearts of Iron 3 there's a Poor Screen Penalty on fleets that makes capital ships more vulnerable. A poor example as it IS forced but HoI3 is WW2, so its historically mostly right. And, generally speaking, a well-screened fleet does more damage with fewer casualties. Except when you get swarmed by CVs.

In Sins, you can build way more small vessels than capitals that are also magnitudes cheaper. There's also a cap on large ships. It's a bit ham-fisted but you can research that away quickly enough. Of course by end-game you'll probably have maxed out the capital counter anyways, so its a moot point with Sins.

In Space Empires 5 smaller vessels get a defensive bonus due to size, and can achieve a higher movement speed. So you can make picket scouts, tacklers or torpedo boats that are fast, hard to hit, or hard-counter those exact roles. I think its actually done right here.

I haven't played more than a couple hours of Distant Worlds, but it seems like there's nothing stopping me from making torpedo boats or fast escorts for large ships. But then again I could just make a bunch of big ships covered in guns. I'll have to play more to get a feeling for it.

tl;dr i'm a faggot

>>151872664
Stellaris is about civilizations evolving on planets spread throughout a galaxy. Each of these civilizations would have radically different ways of fighting and designing combat ships. The way to "balance" these things isn't to limit player and AI choices in the ship designs but have a better economy and tie the ships to that in better ways. The strategic resources and amount of minerals and energy credits you have access to would in both realistic and non realistic worlds impact the choices you make in building a fleet.

I'm fine with a civilization that has really developed their corvettes and small ships because, idk they live in a nebula so larger ships travel slower or some shit and they have a history of hunting in packs and that came through in their fleet design. While a different civilization with a history of building pyramids and large penis like buildings that masturbates to grand cathedrals and has access to some strategic minerals that allow for stronger ship structures invests more of their resources into massive battleships. While in a different part of the galaxy a civilization has evolved a sort of hive mind and their reflects in their building of carriers and orientation around deployment of smaller ships with larger command ships.

Stellaris almost got to this cool dynamic way of developing fleets with how different ethics traits and AI personalities would prioritize different module slots and different weapon loadouts. Instead of fleshing out the game and making that make sense in terms of economy balance they just decided "well we should just remove some player choice because balance is hard and our AI is shit".

I hate the hype I had for this game but I also hate the glaring issues that it has and the retarded design choices they made. My only hope is that one day there will be an HPM or MEIOU-like mod that adds a lot of complexity and dynamics to the game. Also more star wars and WH40k ship models

end rant 2/2

>>151872726
>No reason to build small ships in ES
>What are power modules

>>151872726
I think the best way to balance and encourage diversity without forcing it or allowing none at all is to tie it to the economy. A mineral rich empire with access to lots of strategic resources should be able to build lots of advanced battleships and wreck nerds and you can balance that by upkeep, so if a smaller nations starts using it's groups of corvettes/smaller ships to plunder and pillage your supply lines and resource worlds you'll potentially go bankrupt.

There are a ton of ways wiz and paradox could make the game more fun and dynamic but they insist on making it casual and limiting player choice.

>>151872664
>>151872793
I agree. It's on the designers to make the gameplay fit the world, not the other way around.

In reality, a large warship in space would have literally no trouble deleting a swarm of small ships from existence because it has every advantage in every category. Point-defense is anti-small-fast-thing, and everything is a missile in space.

>>151873415
yep, because at the end of the day someone has to get paid to build these things, and someone has to pull the rocks out of the earth/space rocks/whatever.

A space 4X game should really be an economy simulator first and then everything else.

>>151872793
>wolf pack torpvette fleets

>>151872664
>>151872726
Look at how they do it in Aurora, it's perfect

Any ideas for what the next endless legend should be?

is this still the RTS general? Blitzkrieg 2 on sale, buy y/n?

>>151879106
Yes.
I'd say so, but I'm biased against WWII games.

>>151879084
You mean the DLC?

>>151879084

more than 3 units per faction

Anyone plays Civ5 on linux?
for ages and still doesn't play nice with open-source radeon...
I need the LD preload workaround for steam to begin with, still, the game won't launch
even though I can start the game directly and seems to work well that way

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Just a friendly reminder that no matter how well you'll do, you'll never be able to save Kharak.

I remember a lot of rumours in school about you being able to come back earlier and save it.
Just like the frozen Zora Domain in Ocarine of Time. Everyone had a solution to unfreeze it.

>>151882396
Good, the Taiidan did nothing wrong

So does anybody else here absolutely hate the fucking leader limit in Stellaris and think its just a retarded forced handicap?

>>151883679
>So does anybody else here absolutely hate the fucking core planet limit in Stellaris and think its just a retarded forced handicap?
>So does anybody else here absolutely hate the fucking fleet limit in Stellaris and think its just a retarded forced handicap?
>So does anybody else here absolutely hate the fucking sector limit in Stellaris and think its just a retarded forced handicap?

>>151883679
>>151884053
I hate everything in Stellaris.

>>151880902
ebin post

>>151884897

thanks :3

>>151883504
The Taiidan people seemed to think the Taiidan government did something wrong seeing as how they rose up by the trillions to overthrow the government.

>>151850676
Game looks fun. I hope it isn't buggy as hell when it comes out.

So if there are no policy trees, does that mean Civ 6 civs are can have more malleable playstyles? Like can you go hard conquering early on but then go completely peaceful without being weighed down by a now useless war focused set of culture policies?

>>151886025
It seems so.

>>151886025
that's what the card and government system seems to support

they're more like Civ IV's civics than Civ V's policies

>>151886025
I certainly hope so. I did really like policy trees but they felt super restrictive with you practically being forced into tradition/liberty first and then rationalism being so ridiculously strong your mid game options were super constricting too.

Lets be real, how many times did anyone go piety or aesthetics outside of low difficulty single player, sometimes you'd take a single point in patronage for the forbidden city. Maybe. I should probably look into some mods to spice those up desu.

>>151886580

you could cheese with Piety/Aesthetics with a religion rush with Byzantium (get triple faith buildings and the +2 Tourism from faith buildings, rush to meet everyone, shit out cities like crazy) and get culture victories before 1600 AD but that's about the only viable route I can think of

>>151853548
Rolling

>>151886580
I'm playing CBP with Greece right now and holy shit, Authority, Imperialism, and Autocracy with the right religious beliefs is ridiculously powerful. I'm getting +75 culture in every single one of my cities every single kill. It says I have 110 turns until my next policy but I get it in just 11 turns. It's broken, but like you said, policy trees are inherently restricting. I have no choice but to keep conquering in order to keep my science and culture up.

>>151887017
I'm super glad we're getting governments and anarchy back. Why the fuck they got rid of that system I'll never know.

I still miss call to power govs though since it went full future. Virtual democracy, technocracy and corporate republic in Civ when.

>>151887284
I'm glad they are getting rid of the travesty that was luxuries and global happiness.

>Trade is part of history, and there are limiting factors on population size, so let's combined them!
They tried forcing two game mechanics into one. It screwed CiV up in a way that no DLC could fix because it was too fundamental to the vanilla. BERT did it a lot better with separate health and trade route system.

>>151887284
I imagine they'll add in more government types beyond the basic nine once they start churning out DLC.

>>151887284
>Virtual democracy, technocracy and corporate republic in Civ when.
What's the point? Late game stuff is rarely used because the winner has often been decided by then.

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>>151854669
>civ sends me biology tech 'in my time of need" as a gift
>say accept
>he says impossible!

>>151888819
>let's make endgame boring because very few players will reach it!
What a good idea. Let's also make the last boss a disappointement.

>>151854669
>>151888882
It's a test
You failed it

Enjoy your new mushroom cloud monuments.

I wish internal trade routes in Civ 6 gave something to both cities, like in BERT.

>>151885116
and then they got buttfucked by the Vaygr
THANKS HIIGARANS

>>151891402
One of the Great Merchants causes internal trade routes to provide gold to both cities.

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>>151891190
>It's a test
I-I don't get it

>>151894306
To see if you would knowingly allow the other half of a partnership to give you a deal that's bad for them - to see if you had the integrity to say "No, that's not fair to you, I cannot accept/must offer something of value".

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>>151895398
but the AI is not smart enough for these types of shenanigans

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>ywn dominate Catherine

So, I only bought Stellaris a couple days ago. Just a quick question:

If I make a sector with a fully developed planet and a handful of empty planets, will the AI colonize the empty planets for me?

>>151900529
nope, they may sometimes send construction ships to claim resources in their sector though but don't expect that too often. Just make sure they always have enough energy and minerals in the planets tab

>>151900679

Aw fuck, I don't wanna have to colonize all these fuckin' planets manually. Shit takes forever.

>>151900529
>>151901084
You have to do literally everything for them, you have get all the resources in their systems, colonize all the planets, and give them energy and minerals for a while before they actually start turning a meager profit.

Is /vg/ moderated?

>>151902697
Yes, and why do you ask?

>>151901084
Just colonize the good ones which are 20+ tiles, or if you're still expanding just colonize the good ones that are gonna expand your borders the most. Every planet you colonize gives a +10% to research cost and every pop you have gives a +1% to research cost. Which means research will take longer if you aren't getting enough research stations and labs to counteract this penalty. Which is generally easy to do.

Is the great admiral the worst fucking great person?

>>151902803
/co/ bans anyone who partakes in off topic discussion but I see off topic discussion on /vg/ all the time.

>>151903592
There's a reason it's called /co/mblr. /vg/ moderation is mostly accountable and won't ban you over things that don't violate the rules.

Just in return, leave the /co/ habits on /co/

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>>151904204
But off topic discussion is against the rules.

>>151904368
Had they banned all off topic discussion, /vg/ would lose like half of their users. They only ban when there's mass reporting or they genuinely disturb thread. Have you ever been to other generals?

>>151904486
Yes, why?

>>151904368
If you can hit a post with offtopic, but not Quality of Posts, Rule 3, or any other rule, is it a post that's worth taking down?
Same as Rule 8. Jannies still come from here and presumably aren't little bitches about getting called names.

I'm not site staff, but that's very much the visual enforcement that occurs.

>>151904368
>>151904604
It's not enforced as strictly on most boards and these boards are all the better off for it You can argue that there's other types of cancer but if you want super strict discussion you're in the wrong place. In fact the biggest attraction of /vg/ is its off topic stuff. On /vg/ bans or deletions are handed out mainly for 3 (indecipherable text, anthropomorphic, and grotesque), 4, 5, 11, 12, and 15. Most boards follow this unless you're actually spamming or being an extreme shit.
Basically, the rules are only guidelines and jannies will [usually] try to look at context. Historical / tactical discussion is technically off topic in any general here but it's tolerated for the most part.

>>151895398
I hope you're joking. That is the most buttfuckingly retarded thing i have heard in a while.

>>151906706
I'm not joking in the sense that I've actually met people like that, but I agree that it's really stupid.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11003454
http://www.strawpoll.me/11003454
http://www.strawpoll.me/11003454
dad

>watching this channel while conquering the continent with Minutemen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uuBvkMx-NQ

Comfy as fuck, senpai.

Continents can be connected to one another in Civ 6, which is cool. So there can be land bridges. But will there also be """continents""" like Europe where there is no clear reason why one region is it's own continent? It would be annoying to be England or America and having your units lose their bonus just because the war took you across some arbitrary line.

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>complain about the economy
>buy entertainment media that you don't even use

>>151909264
I assume either very small connecting lands will divide continents, like Suez, Panama, etc or they'll up their map generator so it'll create logical landmasses where climate, resources, tiles, etc will divide continents

>>151909547
>buy
Civ V was free a while ago, probably the people who got it because it was free and never played it. Also you don't get achievements in modded game

>>151909547
They probably got it as part of a humble bundle or something

What is 'scambled nations turkey' like?
Is it the whole Mediterranean or just Turkey?

>>151850676
link to OP vid?

>>151853548
Need a 'valid' reason to stick to a fuckin game..

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Who /aurora/ here

>>151913175
I have it all DL'd and ready to install, I will /aur/ soon.

>>151879669
>>151879106
what happened to blitzkrieg 3?
Also gates of hell looks neat

>>151913248
I also have it downloaded but could never got into the game. I'm trying to get into EL now, I'll try Aurora next

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>>151913248
>Moving all system bodies, including moons, asteroids, etc (60,000 objects in 500 systems), plus moving all associated fleets, contacts, etc in orbit.
>old VB6 Aurora 3min 20secs
>Aurora C# 0.1 seconds
GOTY

>>151913469
There's more than one Aurora?

>>151913682
the current one wont be developed further anymore
the new one written in C# release "soon" with massive performance improvements
http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?board=234.0

Why is the AI in Stellaris so retarded? By now I started scouting their planets and pick abandon as a wargoal most of the time because the AI can't actually build sensible planets. If it's a planet I need badly I tend to tear down almost everything and start rebuilding it from scratch.
And now I'm afraid what my sector AI is doing to my planet full of natural intellectual cockroaches that I implanted with natural engineers in the science sector.

>>151913248
Are you the Aurora AAR guy

>>151913804
WEW

What mods do you guys recommend for Civ V?

>>151911196
>>151850835

>>151914757
Anything by JFD.

>>151914505
I am not the Aurora AAR guy, I'm just a newfag to Aurora.

I wanna play Aurora, being autistic looks fun.

>>151915737
Just get a job doing spreadsheets at least you'll get paid

>>151916117
But I wanna do it for free.

Also is Aurora something one could just jump right into? I started watching a walk-through by quill18 but I dunno if I really wanna watch all the way through.

>>151916593
>Quill18
I'll never understand people who watch playthroughs to learn how to play a game. It's not something you jump into, no, but reading the intro on their website and feeling it out should work.

>>151913175
dude data entry the game lmao

>>151914757
vox populi cbp eui

>>151886789
it's faster with Spain if you find shit like Uluru. I have a save where I did a t110 tourism victory like that.

But even then you have to go Liberty first for settler policy

>>151914757
EUI is a must
Vox Populi if you want to learn basically a different game
I installed NQ mod now so the social policies are better, though I don't like certain balance changes.

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>Secularism gives science

>>151918791
Secularism in Civ games from what I can tell is more about leaving the church to their own devices instead of enforcing it, then spending that money on other shit like research, business, and education. Meanwhile the reason state religion would give less science isn't because of anything else but because dogma usually doesn't allow questioning, which is the basis of science.
But yeah I'm tired of the religion is bad meme. The biggest drawback to religion should be random events where "dogma says no" and bans a building or tech for a few turns and the unhappiness penalty from having different religions in your city. It should also penalize diplomacy with other nations that don't share your religion or are secular.

>>151919059
The point I was making is it gives you science even if you don't have a fucking religion. How does this make any sense? If they wanted to go religion is bad route they should give penalties to religion

>>151919234
I imagine that before pantheons and religions are a thing the assumption is you have some weird folklore style religion
I dunno

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>>151850676
Is Stellaris on 1.3 yet?

Have there been any leaks of Civ VI?

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Etherium is bad.

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Is it impossible for my city Adwa to work this aluminium tile way off to the left? When I go to city view you can only lock citizens to work 3 tiles away from the city. No matter what I click on as city focus; productions, science, default, no one will work it. I've got the aluminium but the tile itself produces 11 production and 6 science

>>151921043
Don't you need a mine?

>>151921043
Not without mods. Cities can only work 3 tiles away, but if you settle a city that has that aluminum in its 3 tiles, it would be able to work it instantly

>>151921173
already got a mine, I'm getting the aluminium because that doesnt need to be worked, only have an improvement on it. but the tile itself is good too.

>>151921210
how infuriating, do you know of a mod that does this?

>>151921010
That's not a 4x.

>>151921723
I use this one: http://www.picknmixmods.com/mods/CivV/Global/City%20Working%20Distance.html, which gives +1 working tile if you're India, or +1 if you have Hanging Gardens, it's +2 if you have both

Also found http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=270365314, which works for everyone I guess

>>151921043
Why are you packed full of other cultures there?

>>151921790
Hi newfag.

>>151920742
Source?

Is Alpha Centauri worth playing or should I just get the mod for Civ 4?

>>151922094
It hasn't aged well. If you played it before, it's okay. If not, I wouldn't suggest it.

>>151921867
neat thanks will check them out

>>151921875
what do you mean?

>>151922094
Try it at least. The automation systems are pretty obsolete by now, and the workshop can get annoying, but it's still the best Civ game to date.

if anyone remembers pax imperia 2, does it belong here?

>>151925098
If it's strategy and doesn't have its own general, it belongs here.

>>151891402
The problem in BERT was that extrenal trade routes give you masses of strategic resources, making actual territorial control of strategic sites totally pointless. It annihilates geostrategy completly.
I mean, it's not like anything you build with BERT's strategic resources is useful, but that's another problem all on its own.

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>all three warmongers in my game hate Gandhi
kek

>>151922072
Nobody knows

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the latest civs and leaders feel like a waste

here's idea:
>replace tomyris with real historic leader with more personality
>put Catherine as leader of russia to fill in woman quota and give her Pedro's GP ability (since they kinda glossed over her push for Russian enlightenment in civ 5)
>replace Brazil with Gran Columbia to fill in South American quota

yeah yeah Gran Columbia was short lived but who cares, it and its leader played a major role in shaping South America. I think the devs should have aimed at Simon Bolivar if they wanted some extravagant personalities. It would definitely be a fresh civ at least.

>>151925912
>real historic leader
Tomyris is real though and she historically was actually, unironically, a strong independent womyn.

>>151925981
>first record is Herodotus "Giant Ants" Halicarnassus

>>151926137
Didn't he cite a book that we just don't have anymore? Or am I misremembering? Either way I don't mind much, the only reason I care at all is because she takes the spot away from the Huns and the Mongols because of >le geographic density xD

>>151925235
its a space colonizing and strategy game from 20years ago and for some reason i got the urge to play it suddenly

>>151925912
>>replace Brazil with Gran Columbia to fill in South American quota
This is still bad, IIRC there's only one South American civ and it's Brazil, yes? In TSL map Brazil will have one fucking continent all to them and will snowball to much. There must be at least one other civ there

This is the reason I think there must be a civ in Ireland too. England will have two islands to them

>>151926341
I often get the same urge, but with Seven Kingdoms 2.
And old as fuck ugly game but with pretty cool mechanisms.

>>151926425
>In TSL map Brazil will have one fucking continent all to them and will snowball to much

I can't really remember how it was in my games. I'm inclined to think Brazil would be in economic isolation and would fall behind in techs (despite the jungles) so it'd balance it out.

>stellaris is updating
I hope it'll finally be enjoyable.

>>151926709
Unlikely, big rebalance patch not coming until October

>>151926425
>England will have two islands to them
People tend to forget how fucking minuscule England and Europe in general is.

>>151927052
And how many inbred live there.

>>151927130
Irrelevant.

>>151927143
t. Britbong.

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>>151926795
>october

>>151927465
"Paradox has great post release support" :^)

>>151927217
I'm Chinese though, and it IS irrelevant.

>>151927569
They kind of do as long as it's not their annual month long socialism enforced vacation.

>>151927684
Yeah sure. Remember to buy the plants instead of enabling it through commenting out a few lines in a text file.

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>best early game wonder to build
>much science points
>free tech
>free library
>Labeled "trap"
Fuck you guys. I build the Great Library every game, especially before my second city if I have marbel.

>>151927921
That's because you don't play MP or in higher difficulties though

>>151853548
GIMME

>>151927769
I enabled the plants to make a meme then disabled them because their ships aren't visually interesting.

fuck

>>151927921
It's not really worth it on higher difficulties, by the time you finish it (on emperor it's possible to build it) you could have advanced much more in techs, military and empire building. I found myself actually behind AI quite frequently when I built the library.

Maybe only with Korea and possibly Babylon it's worth it.

>>151927973
I play MP and risk it in that becuase it's worth the risk.
I find that anything above Emperor is just not fun. It gives the AI too many early advantages that you have to play safer than a pastor in a brothel and it always ends with me getting conquered early or winning late game with diplomatic victory.

>>151927921
GL was better when the civil service springboard was more of a thing and tradition was more overpowered early.

I prefer oracle now just because the pressure to build it is much less than GL and helps you get the good tradition policies sooner.

>>151928178
It remains a valid choice to build it, though.

It's not overpowered, of course, maybe even less than optimal for certain civs and under certain conditions.
But the package of 2 writing slots + free library + free tech is actually pretty good.

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>>151926795
>October
fucking why?

>>151928540
Doesn't it also give great scientist points? That's like the best point of the wonder

>>151928589
>>151928531
I end up getting Oracle also since GL helps me get it.

>first alien race I discover is a militant isolationist fallen empire
>we're literally touching borders
Fastest restart ever

Random tip that came to my mind: While playing Civ V if you ever drop to starving for whatever reason, just set your city to make a settler, they always stagnate during making a settler so starving doesn't affect you

>>151928589
Yes, it's just a good overall deal.

>>151930687
I noticed this the other day.
You can also use this to rush-build a settler, since you literally don't need any food.
It feels like cheating to be honest.
Civ IV was better with this.

>>151851285
It takes 13 turns to research.
So if you boost it, it will take 7 turns.
By the time you upgrade and move troops the other guy will have it too.

>>151927921
Hello, settler.

>>151925367
Doesn't that mean you can play more peacefully? Sounds nice to me.

>>151928365
>I find that anything above Emperor is just not fun
Yeah, we know. You build the Great Library.

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Venice just took a Roman city. He's committed elsewhere. Now's my chance to crush this shifty merchant!

>Google failed
>Anomaly text file failed
What is the anomaly_event string for adding primitives to a planet? I've been wanting to observe a planet go full nuclear holocaust.

>>151931793
Doesn't Civ IV use food to build settlers anyway

>>151934762
Is this Marathon or historic?

>>151935360
I don't know the answer as I don't play Stellaris but one way to find an event quickly is to go to the localization files and type in part of the text of the event that you remember, Paradox usually names event localization after the corresponding event number or string.

>>151935556
I think it's production + 1/2 food or whole food I forget which.

It does it for workers too

>>151935942
It's all food unless C2C changed it.

>>151935556
>>151935942
From memory Civ IV does it the same way Civ V does it - production + food build settlers, thus the city can't grow, since food is going towards the settler.
However, negative food doesn't reduce settler build time.
I think producing a settler also reduced city population by 1 when it popped out.

Still, its not an exploit, since you'd rather the city starve, but build usable shit. On any high difficulty you always want to build units and buildings, and you don't get that "nothing to do" moment.

>>151935609
just standard

Holy fuck, Aurora is such a buggy shit.

>>151936475
Check this post >>151913804

>>151934762
Those city settlements are rather good, are you using a mod? In vanilla AI's cities are usually settled in horrifying locations

>>151936832
just CBP

>>151937036
IIRC CBP does have an AI improvement component, so that explains it. Also why the hell did Russia do this bad? Where did they even start? That North America just looks weird to me for some reason

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>>151937245
Yeah CBP does improve the AI a lot. Russia started right next to Rome. They were at war when I found them and haven't got along since.

>>151937583
how do i git gud at CBP?

can you combine CBP with other mods? Does things like unit replacers (RED, ethnic units) work?

Settlers being built with only production while stopping all food change in CiV was stupid. They should have averaged out food and production and stopped population growth.

>>151937621
I was shit at it too until I focused on making cities happy rather than research and expanding as you would normally. Learnt how to manage cities better that way as it's totally different from vanilla. Once you understand that can git gud

>>151937861
>Does things like unit replacers (RED, ethnic units) work?
no idea but yes other mods can work with CBP, just depends what they do i guess

Civ III was the last good looking Civ
Abandoning sprites for kiddyshit 3D always ruin 4x/RTS series

>>151938668
civ 3 didnt have sprites though, those are small 3d models.

>>151938142
Settlers do get bonus production from food though.

>>151938142
They stop growth because growth is added to production. So yes, food is used. Just not total food, it was excess food. The value that would grow your city was used to produce settlers, while the value that maintained its population was still used for that maintenance.

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I fucking hate it when noobs reach the space age

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Even with only 16 empires, Stellaris couldnt apparently find a better species sprite for the "Malwegoll's", so it reused one.

My immersion.

>>151939740
protectorates are good. That +1 influence. If they have some tasty planet or resources just wipe them out.

>>151922072
>>151925905
You two are shit

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sexy+maid+dance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4crqfw3sCh4

I accept any kind of donation - steam id qkle

>>151941259
top kek

>>151941259
What game under 20 USD you want senpai

>>151941578
>>151941259
Well answer me if you want one I'm feeling generous but I need to sleep now so later~

>>151941717
> long live the queen maybe ?

it is the only game on my wish list that is under $20 I think.

>>151942012
Yeah I'll get you that when I wake up I can't be assed to get my credit card now that I'm in bed
If someone else gets it for you quote me because I don't want to buy it for you twice

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>>151940380
Oh, you're right. I'm still living in the version 1.1 world where the intern had coded it in reverse and protectorates gave -1.

>>151942104
>snab
snibbedysnab.png

>>151942090
I will. Thank you generous anon.

>>151939097
>>151939484
Barely anything. It's absurd that a city working 8 farms suddenly should switch to working 8 mines with its 8 pop to produce a settler.

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>>151942195
That is, indeed, the idea.

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>>151942104
>doesn't even have proper black hole gravitational lensing
Into the trash it goes.

>>151942520
There's so much shit wrong with the science in the game you shouldn't even try.

>>151864481
Game might be over, lads. It's like turn 740 and every time I hover over my happiness icon to get stats my game crashes.

This is a real bummer because I uninstalled most mods to improve stability. About the only thing that should be influencing happiness or the UI is CBP. And if that isn't stable then stability is a pipe dream.

I haven't heard anything Civ VI related for a while, what was the latest dev video they released? And the latest revealed leader was Catherine, right? When is the next one?

>>151942991
their latest reveal was scythia, last week. they put up something about diplomacy a little bit ago, but it wasnt a video, so I think they've delayed it for gamescon. http://steamcommunity.com/games/289070/announcements/detail/881964098498423513

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>America conquers a city state I was trading with
>No one utters a word
>Invade and liberate the city state
>"MURKUR DINDU NUFFIN HE A GOOD BOY"
>Everyone denounces me
>For saving a city state from a warmonger

>>151944258
>playing Civiliation "Peace only, ever, you big meanie" edition.

>>151944258
>America attacks Hussein because he was trying to move off the US dollar
>dindu nuffin
Just like real life. Not even a /pol/ tard but it makes sense for the sudden reversal of policy on him.

>>151944258
ISIS plz, people gave America plenty of shit about Iraq.

>>151944258
This shouldn't be happening, if you liberated them you only gain liberation bonus no warmonger. Also warmonger penalty from declaring war is minimal so it can't be that. How many additional cities you conquered in that war?

>>151944563
Maybe he attacked Murika when they had DoF.

>>151944563
Well I did take Paris from France before that happened.
I'm playing as Germany too, this is starting to remind me of something

>>151944858
Is Poland in the game?
Do they have Judaism?

>stellaris
>crisis
>try to unite other empires
>none agree
>watch as every empire falls
>me and my long time ally fight to the bitter end
;_;7

>>151944858
That also probably wasn't the only city you took, right? IIRC one liberation should erase one city-taking warmonger penalty, could be also >>151944793 but you would probably be aware of it if it was this

>>151945146
>That also probably wasn't the only city you took, right?

Paris is the only city I have taken so far, I defiantly didn't have DoF with America only had one with Iroquois, until that backstabbing prick also denounced me.
The annoying part is Japan has taken someone else's capital and a city state yet not one single person has denounced him, Japan was the only civ who didn't denounce me.

>>151945481
Taking a city warmonger penalty isn't always the same, it depends on the number of the cities your enemies have. If they have a lot you get a little, if they have only and you eliminate them you get shitload of it. If you wiped France that's why they hate you, that's is if you sure they hate you because of warmonging penalties

>Japan was the only civ who didn't denounce me
Even more memeier thing is, Japan is actually one of the most deceptive civs. He's probably just acting friendly to you so you won't suspect him and will backstab you soon

>>151945759
t. Mitsuhide

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>>151945093
You're lucky.
In my first game the Prethryans made landfall (starfall? galaxyfall?) landed on a Fallen Empire and immediatly got their shit utterly rekt.
In my second game the Machine Consciousness spawned, disassembled all its own pops, and then that was that
In my third game I won in 2363 so never got any Crises
And now in my fourth game I'm just living in vain hope of eventual excitement

>>151945857
>In my second game the Machine Consciousness spawned, disassembled all its own pops, and then that was that
what

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>>151945856

>>151946425
>tease us with Takeda
>S2 never
As expected of Badhouse.

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Are the Unbidden supposed to launch 50k after 50k fleet at you when you assault the Dimensional Portal? As soon as I destroy one fleet another pops up, I'm literally crawling towards their portal one fleet at a time.

>>151946376
It was a bug.
The machine consciousness would somwtimes just kill all its own pops.
They fixed it in 1.2.2. But it was quite amusing.

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>>151946790
>>151946376

>It was a bug
>A bug
>Implying

The same thing happened to the Cybrex, anon, they were poised to conquer the galaxy and decided to destroy all their pops.

>>151946928
I wouldn't know, I never found more than 2 artefacts.

Anyone here have the compilation of Endless lores?
I remember there was a post on Amplitude forum about this but the forum vanished (?) and any other sources all seem to be lacking.

>>151941259
thanks senpai, muh dick
but what the hell is this supposed to be? maid whore school?
she doesn't have dat good shake though

>>151947207
https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space/forum/29-archives/thread/13132-the-universe

>>151947918
Thanks you very munch.

>>151948336
The new layout takes a bit to get used to and finding out that the search function is all the way at the top.

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>>151947207
Old lore is old and busted, new lore retcons all.

>>151949345
The fuck happened? How would three games connecte then?

Compilaton for new lore?

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>>151950194
Well not literally "all" lore but a lot of it. Hissho are now a minor faction, Cravers are much more developed and other things. The new trinity will ES2, EL and DotE. ES1 is non-canon.

>>151946725
I just sent in a fleet of tachyon destroyers and they rekd them completely

>>151950873
>rekd
No. It's "rekked" or "rekt".

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>>151950545
>ES1 is non-canon.

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>>151951343
Breaks my heart as well.

realistically when should I expect 1.3 for stellaris?

Is there a loading save problem in EL? I loaded a save from my last game, which was from a month ago and it's different from what I remember. IIRC, I had already two settlers out to settle on those 2 regions, I had 4 cities already and was completing a quest for those city states for whatever they're called. In this save I don't have those 2 settlers or the city state quest(I do have a army already commanded to go to that city though) and I only have 2 cities

Or I just simply remember wrong

>>151951827
End of the month

Are there any good UI mods for Stellaris?

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>>151951680
>tumblr

>>151946683
Don't give up hope. Madhouse hasn't offically announced that they don't have a season 2 in plan :^)

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>>151957631
Just like Haruhi S3 amirite haha have an upvote
edit: thanks for the gold xDDD

>>151957713
Ah, the old 4chan animearoo.

where the fuck did the weekly leader announcements go

>>151959265
It comes out tomorrow, 8 days after the last, like always.

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It's lonely.

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Kumo did nothing wrong.

>>151963882
Vampire is worst girl

>>151961010
I fucked up, I meant more 'where the fuck did our biweekly leader announcements go'

to everyone: who do you think is going to get announced next

>>151961010
No they don't. The announcements are every Tuesday and have been for weeks.
Aztecs don't count they're DLC and not part of the main lineup.

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>>151964110
>to everyone: who do you think is going to get announced next

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>>151965126
DELET THIS

>>151867037
It's actually a step in the right direction- Battleships equipped with huge, slow guns losing to swarms of smaller ships is a good idea, since nuking five of the corvettes wouldn't help if the other fifteen closed enough to overwhelm your shields and start shredding your hull with their multitude of weapons while you're reloading.

However, I agree that they're going about it the wrong way; ship roles should come naturally from the way the weapons and defenses as a whole work, not because of hard-coding "this is your role, so you get +15 against this thing because reasons."

The best way to go about it would be to 1. make it so that weapon ranges are the same from small slot to large slot- the value that varies should be Rate Of Fire- ie, small weapons do less damage per shot but fire faster, while Large weapons hit hard but have long reloads.
The second measure would be to make the smaller ships faster in combat, so that they can close fast enough that the enemy battleships can only get off two volleys, not the six to ten volleys they currently do. This creates the need for a screening force NATURALLY, rather than ham-fisting a "you get +50 damage against this guy because he's the type you're strong against, GO CRUISER-MON!" to force diversity.
This method works better because, if you wish, you can counter enemy corvettes by having a group of battleships bristling with smaller weaponry to back up your longer-range battleships. They'll have the disadvantage of being too slow to completely prevent the enemy from engaging the longer-range battleships, but there's the point: you can choose, and have advantages and drawbacks as a result of your choice.
Instead, now they're just going to try and hard-code in diversity.

>>151966984
>It's actually a step in the right direction- Battleships equipped with huge, slow guns losing to swarms of smaller ships is a good idea, since nuking five of the corvettes wouldn't help if the other fifteen closed enough to overwhelm your shields and start shredding your hull with their multitude of weapons while you're reloading.
That's retarded though, because a battleship wouldn't be fitted with only some fucking massive thing. The best way to go for it is make Corvettes faster and much cheaper while battleships become basically artillery and you just can't afford that many. Corvettes are screens and your infantry line, the back line is what's doing damage - if your front line collapses, though, there's so many fucking corvettes you just can't shoot them all down with your 3 battleships.

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>>151965126
hell yea

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>>151954812
Problems? It's where the concept artist has his gallery. Perhaps you want him to take the effort of renaming all his art so that it doesn't trigger you in your safe space?

Favourite civs in civ5?

Mine has to be Egypt, going tradition and getting the pantheon for wonders and just churning the bastards out faster than regular buildings is fun as fuck. Burial tombs are legit amazing too.

>>151969797
On settler maybe, as on later difficulties this UA means shit.

>>151969956
>implying
Nigga please I play mostly MP with friends who gives a fuck about the AI when there literally isn't one in the game.

>>151965126
tfw enkidu will never visit the king of kings

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>first scurge
>spawns at 12 o'clock
>my empire is from 2 to 4
>Fallen Empire at 1
>"I'll be fine"
mfw I'm not fine.

>>151967373
>a battleship would be fitted with only some fucking massive thing
>the current meta is "Battleship with 5 Talcyons+4 PD"
Hence why it's a step in the right direction- you want to equip your battleship with something other than the massive weapons for gameplay reasons.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure that's actually what's going to happen- it looks like they're going to make it so that Battleships have to equip the biggest weapons available.

>>151970795
>limiting player choice and making battleships some retarded giant cannon instead of them being actual space battleships littered with weapons
fuck you and fuck paradox

>>151966984
You're a fucking retard.

There is 0, zero, nil, no reason a battleship gun should have a harder time hitting a corvette in an age where they can go faster than the speed of light.

They need to balance ships like in Sins of the Solar Empire, smaller ships are much cheaper and it's easier to field more of them, while larger ships should require more upkeep but be deadlier.

Ship classes should not be a weapons triangle and if you think that they should you're mentally disabled.

>>151974903
>littered with weapons
What, are we talking about ships-of-the-line now?
You do realize that post-dreadnought battleships were all very much "3 - 5 turrets with 2 - 3 big guns each, plus AA"

>>151975169
>it's as easy to turn a gun the size of a large dog as it is to turn a gun the size of a blue whale

LOL

>>151919059
>dogma usually doesn't allow questioning, which is the basis of science.
This is a silly thing to state. Dogma doesn't allow questioning of the dogma, everything else is up for debate. Finding the details of how God did everything has been the basis of scientific endeavors since ancient times. Even the Greeks figured that philosophy was the best way to understand and live according to the principles of their gods, not to mention the myriad Muslim and Christian scientists who've done the same, like Newton, ibn-Al Haytham and Gauss

>>151966280
why is Gilgamesh an Aryan babe

>>151944352
Civ IV was pretty alright about letting you annihilate the filthy savages who weren't friends with your allies.
Civ V is so braindead retarded easy (at least on Immortal) that it doesn't matter even a little bit if people like you, just get Dynamite, spam Artillery and watch the whole world cry

>>151975843
>aryan
>red eyes

>>151975324
in the future when we're traveling at the speed of light and have AI (that today can way outperform humans aiming) that has advanced centuries ahead, aiming a gun the size of a house at a corvette the size of several houses would be extremely easy. Especially if it's a fucking laser beam.

>>151975264
And you do realize we aren't talking about ocean going ships that can't be littered with weapons because they have gravity and tipping over to be worried about right?

Stellaris would be much better if you could design your ships however you wanted with certain designs being given more weight to different AI ethics and personalities, but the limiting factor was the resources you had access to and the size of your economy rather than this forced "corvettes > battleships >cruisers >destroyers> corvettes" memery that is completely arbitrary and removes creativity.

Ultimately they need to stop balancing the game around multiplayer.

>>151976146
*why is Gilgamesh a two-thirds divine Aryan babe

>>151976609
Someone needs to read up on their naval history. They pulled the small and intermediate guns off because they couldn't penetrate armor on all the new ironclad vessels. There was no reason to keep them.

It would be like mounting 75mm guns on the Iowa. Why bother? They're too small for naval combat, and they can't serve an AA role.

>>151976887
How tiny is your brain? We are talking about fucking spaceships not sea faring ships. The points you make have no bearing on a spaceship with laser beams and proton torpedoes that goes faster than the speed of light.

"realism is not an argument in a science fiction game"

Which I actually find unfortunate because if realism was something paradox was going for in stellaris it's NOT realistic to limit a massive battleship that is IN SPACE to 4 or 5 large guns and nothing else.

>>151977287
Nah. Same deal. There's no reason to have an intermediate caliber between ballistic AA and burst shells. It's not going to do anything.

>>151975169
I never said anything about not hitting Corvettes. I said that taking out five, then getting swarmed by the other fifteen while your big gun reloads, is the way to go.

What are the best revamp mods for Civ IV? I've been using Realism Invictus.

>>151977697
okay my bad m8, that I can get behind. it just seems like paradox is going for the "the battleship can't even hit a corvette"

When civ 6 comes out, are we going to split off into two separate threads? Might be better that way.

>>151914757
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=745779180

;^)

>>151982867
why? theres practically no stellaris discussion anymore. this is basically just a civ thread.

>>151983635
I'd say it's closer to half and half.

>>151982941

wew lad

>>151978423
It does make sense though that the main battery would have serious issues tracking and hitting ships significantly smaller than what it's made to hit though and that PD would be too weak to really damage anything more durable than a missile. It's the reason it works that way in EVE too. A ship moving at 5km/s is practically impossible to track and hit with a gun designed for maximum damage and penetration against a ship that can barely break 100m/s, and a swarm of those super fast motherfuckers is going to ruin your day eventually. There's weaponized stasis tech in game for the explicit purpose of holding those nippy motherfuckers still so your guns can actually hit the bastards.

Stellaris doesn't have this particular issue but I remember playing MoO3 when I was a kid I didn't know better shut up and you could mount guns on a spinal mount that ran the entire length of the ship and came with an expected massive jump in damage but naturally had no firing arc whatsoever and could only fire straight ahead, making said ships extremely vulnerable to being attacked from multiple directions.

I still think they could find a better solution than just removing the option to make screening battleships though. But that would actually require some effort from them and we know not to expect that from paradox.

>>151982867
Civ 6 is the last hope for the 4x genre, all we can do is pray they don't remove any of the content/mechanics we've seen so far and bundle it up as dlc. BE and the Starships travesty flopped hard, they need a genuinely strong game release.

>>151985631
if I recall, one of the things they mentioned up front was that pretty much every mechanic in Civ V currently is going to be in Civ VI on release

so trade routes, archaeologists, that sort of shit, which is nifty. It seems this time around, Civ VI's being made by people who genuinely want to make a good game

>>151985974
thats because civ 6 is made by the team that made the civ 5 expansions, not vanilla. the director said that everything is included outside of world congress because they didnt have enough time to really make that work, but the game has a lot of new diplomacy features to make up for that.

P10

>>151942520
DUDE LOVE TARS LMAO

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Who will play her in the inevitable biopic?

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>it's an anon shitposts by himself every 30 minutes to keep the thread alive episode

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>>151998618

>>151853548
gnillor

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>>151988337
p10 again

Any word on scenarios for Civ6?

I was bummed that BE didn't have any.

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Played EL for the first time last night, love the graphics of the game
-Played on the easiest difficulty to earn the mechanics of the game and this was a good choice, there are many things that the game doesn't explain to you. There are still a few things that I don't understand
-Eras pass way too fast imo. I know I played on the easiest but it was not because research speed was high, it was because the number of technologies you need to research to advance to other era is too low imo, and every era has lots of useful technologies. I think I unlocked 6th era without researching anything from 5th era, because I was still researching 4th era things. Also eras felt disconnected imo
-People complain about this game's combat but I liked it, better than civ games if you ask me. Also the number of military units is another complaint but, you can change the items of your military units, you can use assimilated military units, you can get generals from other races,etc. Was enough for me
-District system is cool but I guess it would be impossible to cover a whole region with districts because of 2 pop requirement, sad
-Didn't touch anything naval/sea related this game, will do it in the next one
And ı guess that's it, can't really say a few things for sure because I played on the easiest difficulty. But still fun game, I liked it

>>152010076
>easiest
Good to start on but definitely jump straight to Normal after because its not that far a step.
Play with the worldgen options

>eras
I found that too. I want to mod it and pad it out a couple more techs because it just goes by WAY too fast.

>combat
its ok/10

>naval
It doesn't have naval combat, only commerce and navigation.

Glad you like it, anon.

>>152010076
You don't have to research everything in every era. Just pick what you need and go on. In fact, that is probably why you were progressing so fast as they get more expensive the higher era they're in.

It is possible to fill out regions with districts, but it is very difficult without the right hero.

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>enact global ideology freedom
>byzantine has a revolution
>venice soon has a revolution
>go to war with backstabby merchant
>every one happy except venice
>soon pantera will be world religion
feelsgoodman

>>152009621
BE wasn't a real game. It was a poorly-made overhaul mod priced like one.

is Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri worth getting into? it's on sale on gog and i've never played it

>>152015486
Yes.
I think it's still the best TBS ever made. The worst criticism you will hear of it is "It hasn't aged well", but if you can get past the graphics looking a little funky, it's amazing. The the factions have so much personality, the technologies are really cool, the balance is good, and it's the only TBS I've ever played that actually manages to have a story.

Get into it immediatly.

>>152015790

...and it's $2.49 right now. i'm convinced though, wish me luck

>>152015907
Don't feel obliged to get the expansion. That got a little sillier. I mean, it's still a good game, but the original so tight and fine-tuned that the Alien Crossfire's additions are mostly unnecessary noise.

>>152010076
EL gives you way too many advantages in easiest.
It makes going from easiest to easy and then to normal very difficult because all of a sudden, your units are weaker, you produce less, and your people are unhappy.

>>152015790
>it's the only TBS I've ever played that actually manages to have a story
Someone here hasn't played Endless Legend.

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>Getting one turned on an important wonder

>>151904604
have you been to /gsg/?

>>152015907
You'll get disappointed. It aged badly, the AI is kinda dumb, and the new factions introduced in Crossfire are advantaged over the others.

>>152021241
>replying to a post from two days ago

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>>152018903
>savescumming to a couple turns ago and starving your capital for a little bit to get the wonder one turn earlier

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>>152022002
>savescumming
disgusting. I bet you play Venice too. He seems like the scummy type.

>>151934762
cont'. It has begun

>>152022595
I do like going domination as Venice, yes
And wonderwhoring as Venice, if only because I can't put production into gold yet and I just don't have anything better to put my hammers into

>>152022717
Put it into military units, dummy.

>>152022906
What if I already got enough military units to steamroll the planet, dummy

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgvfU-1ycUs&ab_channel=SidMeier%27sCivilization

What do you guys think? They chose the civ leader to be a cuck who died on the way to suck the Pope's dick.

>>152023087
Start steamrolling while making more units.

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>>152024047
Howdy, germanic servants! Check it out, I'm made of gold!

>>152024047
That's not Adolf or Willy. He wasn't even a "german" leader, he was a roman leader of what was essentially Austria's empire.

>>152024557
There's a certain pattern that's going on with Civ VI's new leaders. Leadership doesn't inolve being part of the ethnicity, it's about who can impact the civilization in the most benificial way. Plus he was elected King of Germany at Frankfurt on 4 March 1152 and crowned in Aachen on 9 March 1152.

>>152024557
>the Holy Roman Empire
>holy
>roman
>an empire
When will this meme end

>>152025103
>for it to be holy it needs to be a theocracy
>it wasn't

>for it to be roman it needs to include latium
>it didn't

>for it to be an empire it needs to rule over multiple peoples
>it didn't

The memes are real. It was the Autocratic Germanic State.

>>152024047
loving the armor. and the civ abilities. the unique industrial district is going to make them a fucking powerhouse.