/4xg/ - Stellaris and 4X Games General

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first for Neytiri

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>>152136304
>that smug face
I really hate the graphisms.

>>152136304
>Ex-Buttchin
Are we looking at the same gameplay footage? I haven't seen the buttchin go away in any recent videos with Victoria.

>>152136815
https://youtu.be/yu2lpUHIjaM?t=222

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>>152137034
Holy shit.
>Dat face
>The way she holds herself
I'm solid right now

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>>152137184
>20 min into open borders and chill and she gives you this look

>>152137184
She's alright now.

So, out of the 9 revealed civs in VI which are you looking forward to play the most?

just as a reminder:

- America
>Teddy with pretty defensive units with cultural focus
- England
> Victoria with units for overseas conquest and more archeologists for some reason
- France
> Alcoholic with diplomacy flavor and mid game wonderwhore
- China
>Fatso early wonderwhore with some free science that builds wall
- Japan
>Turtle Hojo that you want to simcity with plus some situational bonuses to coastal combat
- Germany
>Freddy with flexible bonus to military and Genghis-like bonus against CS
- Aztec
>PREORDER NOW
- Egypt
>Cleo wonderwhore with eco trade bonus
- Scythia
>New Huns

>>152138009
Japan has bonuses to districts near each other right? I read about them a while ago and they looked like an excellent tall civ, I'll probably play them first

>>152138009
>France
>Alcoholic
And your problem is?

>>152138193
>red wine
>champagne glass
Into the fucking trash

>>152138009
Scythia maybe
The horde comes for you

>>152138463
Beats drinking milk in a whiskey glass like I do.

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>>152138009
I'm holding out.

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>>152138009
germany. not only because the leader looks fucking bitching (they really perfected that plate armor) but because he's an industrial juggernaut who can pump out military units. I dont really care about taking over city states, though.

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>>152138613
DELETE THIS

>>152138603
Why?

>>152138703
WHY

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>>152138736
DO IT THE KING ORDERS YOU

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>>152137676
>When you tell her you love her

>>152139002
No.

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>>152139194
o-ok

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Kumo a cute.

>>152138009
England for muh heritage, Germany for muh fun.

>>152138009
Me again
I forgot about Brasil which could be actually cool if Great People are more interesting this time.

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venice and rome BTFO

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roll

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>>152140290
zug zug

>tfw you change your PC's decimal separator from , to . and start playing Aurora 4x like a proper game instead of 100-error-message-per-minute-closing-RTS-style clickfest.

>>152138665
I really like his look, cartoony but with dignity

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>>152138193
Hey, you'd drink too if your husband spent most of his time focussing on his mistress and letting her live in the pimpingest place of the Loire Valley instead of you.

Does anyone have a problem with CBP in civ 5 that sometimes there are just no luxuries on the map?

>>152142687
I'm French. I'm already drinking.

>>152138009
Germany but I hope that Poland/Denmark will make it into the base game

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This thread could use a research boost

Anyone has a table for random Stellaris traits? I want some challenge, I'm tired of my collectivist human nazis

>>152145440
What do you think of the new stats for the Great Library, actually? Do you prefer an across the board boost or just getting one tech real quick?

>>152145779
>human
get a load of this unimaginative faggot

>>152132776
Yes the did, you absolute idiot. They were the ones fighting wars. They were the relatively poor land owners. You know nothing of Rome's progressive class division. Learn history before you act like a shit.

>>152147348
>they were the ones fighting wars
You mean pre-marian reforms? Damn son, I guess that's surely what we today call 'middle class'.

>>152145440
The Great Library? Is this thread set to Settler?

>>152147451
>not playing on Settler and rp'ing your way through the game
Faggo.t

>finally, a Paradox game where “Comet Sighted” actually means something
Madmen

>>152147414
Yes, it would be. Later Rome was marked by one of the worst economic class divisions in history due to the accumulation of land by the aristocratic class. Previously relatively poor land owners worked their land efficiently, but as Rome expanded, slaves became cheap, and those farmers were forced to leave their land fallow for years as they campaigned far from Rome, the richest of the rich simply bought up the land and worked it with the slaves. The soldiers would return to find everything they fought for gone, forcing them to find a job in the heart of Rome herself, working in some sweatshop subsisting off of the subsidized grain dole.

>>152147747
That isn't the big reason why Rome's economy was fucked. The biggest reason was that it was built on conquest. There HAD to be money coming in, there needed to be incentive for rich men to create public works on their own. The fact that global citizenship was granted, combined with the fact that the buffer states meant Rome could expand no further, was what ultimately doomed its economy.

>>152147905
Civil unrest was a major reason Rome fell apart. That civil unrest was largely due to the class division I spoke of. Even by Caesar's time it was getting bad. Rome was increasingly not her younger self, who could field an entire army after losing nearly everything to Carthage. The will to fight for Rome was waning. And if not even Romans believed in Rome anymore, why should Germans?

>>152148129
We're talking about the REPUBLIC, or the Empire? I thought we were on about the Empire. The reason the Republic fell was because soldiers were becoming increasingly loyal to their generals, not the state, due to how the 'rules' of looting worked.

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Civ 5 unmodded BNW question:

If I'm going to go for a Domination victory (which I rarely do), how in the fuck can I avoid crazy warmonger penalties? I nipped Genghis fucking Khan in the bud early on because he started above me, so me and the Mayans double teamed him. Took his only city and freed the one CS he took. But now the Mayans aren't happy with me b/c they wanted Karakorum for themselves, the Ottomans think I'm a dirty warmonger for killing off a civ, and the Moroccans are "friendly" with me and trading but not so friendly that they'll renew our early game DoF. Oh, and I just met the Songhai at the end of a long island chain, likely on their own little continent. The Ottomans and Mayans just started killing each other so their forces are in tatters and mine are ready to rock... but I don't know if I should just go apeshit now or bide my time. Do I just say fuck it, DoW both of them and steamroll that half of the continent? I'd basically have to wipe both of them out b/c their capitals are the two cities farthest from me. But Morocco is going to be fucking piiiissed if I do that, and they make such nice trading partners. Songhai will be mad as fuck too but for the time being they're far enough away - might be an issue later on though.
Playing as China btw, just got trebuchet and about to get my Chu-Fuk-Yous, so taking on two civs at once probably won't be an issue. I just hate warmonger penalties in this game because all they do is force you to become even more of a warmonger.

Fuck it here's the minimap. Yellow circles are capitals (small circle is Mongolia's), red line is my most likely warpath.

WAT DO

>>152148201
>We're talking about the REPUBLIC, or the Empire?
Yes.

The distinction is largely pointless because the trends are the same.

>The reason the Republic fell was because soldiers were becoming increasingly loyal to their generals.
As they should have, because the Roman aristocrats were getting away with murder, sometimes literally, and didn't give a single shit about what some soldiers got. Those soldiers were supposed to get land grants but aristocrats increasingly bought up the land with false names to get around the limit of one plot of land per person.

The whole reason Julius Caesar was so damn popular was because he was a reformer trying to change the fucked up system! This increasing class division haunted Rome all the way to it's ultimate demise.

>>152148290
You can probably make it, eating those should give you so much power that even the rest of the world combined won't be a big deal, esp. if you can get a strong navy going.

>>152148430
>The distinction is largely pointless because the trends are the same.
Bullshit. The fact that citizenship was granted to everyone was a massive blow to the Roman economy and the single biggest factor leading to its collapse.

>As they should have, because the Roman aristocrats were getting away with murder, sometimes literally, and didn't give a single shit about what some soldiers got. Those soldiers were supposed to get land grants but aristocrats increasingly bought up the land with false names to get around the limit of one plot of land per person.
This wasn't the issue. The problem was that these generals, who were themselves nobles, were allowed to accumulate power at a rapid pace while the Senate could not stop them unless they wanted the Roman economy to collapse.

>>152148589
>This wasn't the issue. The problem was that these generals, who were themselves nobles, were allowed to accumulate power at a rapid pace while the Senate could not stop them unless they wanted the Roman economy to collapse.
These aren't mutually exclusive. Class division was a major reason Rome fell apart. All of that political turmoil was over land reforms. The filthy rich wanted to stay filthy rich at all costs and when someone broke ranks and exploited popular dissatisfaction with the order of things they had that mother fucker murdered, like Caesar.

That's what the rich do. They do their damndest to maintain the status quo in the name of "tradition".

nerds

>>152148854
The problem with the Roman economy was not the class division but the fact that it HAD to be sustained by conquest, and that this conquest could not be easily regulated as nobility gobbled more and more wealth during that conquest. What would you have done? Freed the slaves?

>>152142801
think I figured it out. Needed to update to latest version of civ 5 which is 1.0.3.279
luckily there was a torrent :^)

>>152149047
They were both major problems.

>What would you have done? Freed the slaves?
What would I have done if I was what? An inexplicable absolute ruler of Rome? I'd fucking invent gun powder, ban slavery, initiate an industrial revolution, invent vaccinations, discover antibiotics, begin the scientific revolution, and NOT conquer and murder millions of people... but that's just me.

>>152149436
>I'd fucking invent gun powder, ban slavery, initiate an industrial revolution, invent vaccinations, discover antibiotics, begin the scientific revolution, and NOT conquer and murder millions of people... but that's just me.
t. Armchair fantasy writer
Go to some /a/ thread about LH or something shows up and let them pound into your head why that shit doesn't work.

>>152149436
dude I'd just do all these future things no one knew what the fuck they were for thousands of years lmao

>>152149516
>ask a ridiculous question
>get a ridiculous answer
>bitch about it
Classy.

>>152149627
The question wasn't ridiculous. You're whining about class divides and I'm pointing out that there wasn't really a choice. I'll pick apart your first post a little but for more details lurk in /a/ or maybe /lit/. Or fuck, pick up a book and use your head.

>>152149436
>Gunpowder
Would start massive social upheavals and public disorder.
>ban slavery
Would absolutely destroy your economy.
>industrial revolution
You can't, the groundwork isn't laid out and there doesn't exist a middle class capable of consuming the goods you create. You'd also destroy the livelihoods of myriad artisans and thereby make the formation of a middle class even less likely.
>vaccinations, antibiotics
Unlikely to work well due to mistrust and fear.
>scientific revolution
How would you do this? Fund universities? With what money?
>not conquer....
Enjoy being stomped as a footnote in history as well as have a terrible economy.

>>152148589
>You can probably make it, eating those should give you so much power that even the rest of the world combined won't be a big deal, esp. if you can get a strong navy going.
Alright, thanks, I guess I'll give it a shot. Probably have to raze at least two of those cities and completely wipe out the Ottoman but whatever. I just hope Morocco doesn't try to fuck me in the ass right away; I've been sheltering them the whole game so their military is unscathed (but also inexperienced I guess).

One other fun fact I forgot to mention - part of the reason I figured I might as well go Domination victory is the Fountain of Youth spawned on the continent (currently owned by the CS just east of the large lake). I managed to run my entire military past it and if I take these two guys out I'll have complete control of it. It's a hell of an edge.... might not need to use lube for anyone else.

>>152149857
>You're whining about class divides and I'm pointing out that there wasn't really a choice.
Well yes, there was. Follow the fucking laws set to protect the plebeians. Regardless, whether there was a choice or not doesn't even fucking matter! So don't act like a condescending cunt.

>>152150212
Oh dear me, I will indeed act as condescending as I so please. I will remind you that you acted condescending first.
>using ! on 4chan
What's up newfag.

>>152150212
lol so salty

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>>152150327
>>152150212
>>152150327
>>Well yes, there was. Follow the fucking laws set to protect the plebeians.
>IGNORED

>>Regardless, whether there was a choice or not doesn't even fucking matter!
>IGNORED

>>!
>TRIGGERED

>>So don't act like a condescending cunt.
>NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I AM

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>it's a /4xg/ can't hold a conversation without turning it into a 'lol, u mad' flamewar episode

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>>152150774
>Well yes, there was. Follow the fucking laws set to protect the plebeians.
So how would you enforce this when the nobility controls the military?

>Regardless, whether there was a choice or not doesn't even fucking matter!
Well I don't see how it doesn't matter, since you're basically complaining that the sun rises from the east and shouting that it should've risen from the west.

>TRIGGERED
Nice Epic I Like It

>last line
>>152147348. Condescending.

>>152150917
When one side gets blown out to the point where they defend their ideals with "w-well it doesn't matter that I don't have a way to make it work, someone should've done something", their only choice is to act salty.

>>152150989
This is ironic as hell. You ask a cringy question with little to no context as if you can plop any old schmo into the heart of Rome and give him a honorary title and expect him to change anything despite the situation in Rome changing generation to generation and expect a meaningful answer despite it being one step below the highest order of /a/ tier historical fantasy shit and then you bitch about getting an absurd answer.

So let me cut to the heart of the issue. Your question is absurd because the answer would drastically change due to a multitude of things you didn't specify. Furthermore, I'm not in the business of historical what-if scenarios. I'm interested in actual history. That means understanding it, not obsessing over what could have been done differently.

Or maybe you were just trying to mix some entertainment into a conversation about history and wanted to delve into my opinion of Rome in a roundabout way, which I guess is understandable. In that case, I'm not a big fan of Empire in general. Just because it is historically notable doesn't make it good. Of course, that said, even the bad shit has served humanity in some way. Sure, Rome may have killed and enslaved millions and led to the one of the most corrupt and unequal systems in human history, but it spread the meme of organization and motivated progress across the European continent. Of course that itself led to further millions of deaths and enslavement as European powers sought to emulate Rome, but it's hard to second guess that course of events when it's hard to imagine the industrial and scientific revolutions happening as soon as they did without European colonialism.

In short, it's hard to determine the good from the bad from the necessary.

>>152151928
Look, I played along with your alt-history scenario because it was fucking hilarious, but what I was truly asking was "what do you think the people at the time should have done differently in order to make the social gulf less wide in a way that would be realistically implemented", because I was genuinely curious if you'd had hold of an idea, since I personally see it as almost fixed-in-stone from the moment Augustus implemented the buffer state system. You're the one who thought I was asking what you'd do if you literally got portal'd there.

>>152138009

Teddy Roosevelt is the most based President in history

Although I'm still hoping Byzantium is in the game with a Religious focus

>>152152132
>I played along with your alt-history scenario
>your alt-history scenario
>implying you weren't the one who started this "but what if we could go back in time and change things" shit
Stopped reading.

>>152152247
>implying you weren't the one who started this "but what if we could go back in time and change things" shit
I didn't say you were literally going to go back with all your knowledge you fucking git. My original question was worded 'what would you have done [to stop this collapse]? Freed the slaves?' Do you think when someone asks 'what would you have done to win WWII as Hitler' they want an answer of "I'd build a fucking nuke"?

>>152151928
not even anon you arguing with but you are fucking autistic as hell. The question wasn't ridiculous it was just another way of saying 'what could have been done to save rome'.

When they say Civ 6 Vanilla is going to have 18 Civs is that including or excluding Aztecs

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>>152152472
There's 22 total here so...it's a mistery?

>>152152472
I'd guess excluding, but I'm not sure. Civ V had 18 at launch with preorder bonus being Babylon.

>tfw stellaris is kill
>tfw hoi4 is kill too

why did they do this lads

why would you release not one but TWO games

then go on a fucking two month vacation while the games are still unplayable

>>152152150
>be a sickly boy
>feel insecure so develop this persona of being tough, eventually it becomes kind of true
>persona evolves into this weird idealization of being a cowboy
>become a politican
>no one takes him seriously so he demands his way into becoming an officer in the US military despite no military experience
>leads a stupid charge that gets a lot of people killed unnecessarily
Like the definition of a primadonna, but certainly one of the better presidents what with the national parks and his anti-corruption stance.

>>152152150
Not in the vanilla game AFAIK, I don't remember seeing them in the chart. Though Rome is in. If they go multiple leaders route, perhaps there'll be one civ(Rome) and a leader will represent western rum and other eastern rum, though very unlikely

>>152152472
I'm 99% sure excluding

>>152152541
And I'm 90% sure some of these leaders will come with Deluxe, and the vanilla game without any dlcs will have 18 dlcs

>>152152667
>and the vanilla game without any dlcs will have 18 dlcs
>without any DLCs
>18 DLCs
???

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>>152152589

>>152152697
I meant civs, just a spelling mistake

Is it odd or hypocritical of me to be quite isolationist or weak pacificist any time I consider the legitimacy of a war (which usually in a contemporary context) but at the same time constantly honor historical empires (Egypt, China, and Austria)?

>>152152405
Did you not read my post? The question was absurd because it would change depending on when I was and who I was.

So give me some specifics and I'll try to give a meaningful response for what it is worth.

>>152152732
>this historical person had character flaws
>BAIT! He was literally perfect you cunt! Back off from my historical husbando desu.
FUCK YOU! HE'S NOT YOUR FUCKING HISTORICAL HUSBANDO! BECAUSE HE IS MINE!

>>152152912
Personally I think modern wars are just fucking retarded. The reason I can admire ancient empires is, well, they're Empires. It's like admiring the Pyramids, never mind the many who died building it slaves or not memers fuck off.

>>152152975
Augustus, 9 AD immediately after the loss of Teutoburg Forest, since I'm of the opinion it was all over after him and a road to death.

>>152152975
How about Julius? What if you were Julius?

>>152150917
I feel bad for asking about African Kingdoms now. All I wanted was some neat history facts.

>>152153272
WE

>>152150917
/4xg/ didn't used to be this toxic. I think it's because of the hiatus demolishing the old regulars combined with Stelaris being kind of a let down. Eventually /4xg/ will have a sense of community again.

>>152153572
dude beyond earth lmao

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>>152153572
4chan is slowly getting more toxic and there's nowhere to run.

>>152153572
dude plants lmao

>>152153572
>>152153829
I like stellaris, but come on, 8€ for profile icons? what kind of shilling is that?

>>152153271
Probably not murder 1 million Gauls and then break the law by invading beyond Roman territory for the sole purpose of making me and my cronies filthy rich.

>Augustus, 9 AD immediately after the loss of Teutoburg Forest
Well I asked for specifics. Can't just shoot out some really general response to that. Let me formulate a meaningful response and grab a bowl of cereal.

>>152154052
>Probably not murder 1 million Gauls and then break the law by invading beyond Roman territory for the sole purpose of making me and my cronies filthy rich.
That would simply perpetuate the situation though, since if Caesar doesn't do it then someone else will and he'll be the one calling the shots.

>>152153818
/co/ seems fine. /tv/ has always been utter shit. /sci/ used to be better but that's more because it was better when it was new. /his/ is still new and hasn't changed much. I've only been a regular of those boards lately. About the only universal negative happening on 4chan I can think of is the viral spread of the word "cuck".

>>152154375
>/co/mblr seems fine.
Huh?

so will we get dido in civ 6?

>>152154556
Why do we always get Carthage and not Phoenicia?

>>152154196
>if Caesar doesn't do it then someone else will and he'll be the one calling the shots
I think you underestimate the balls it took to do what Julius Caesar did. The average Roman would have simply milked Illyricum and Gaul for what they were worth and been satisfied with that. Murdering the Gauls might have been part of that, but breaking Roman law and staging a personal war on the barbarians to the North would not. Had Caesar failed he would have been deemed a traitor. It's only because he was so successful that the rest of Rome let his unlawful acts slide. Else the conservatives would have metaphorically crucified him.

>>152154686
Carthage is more meme and also probably more important, other than being founded by Phoenicia.

>>152154830
>rest of Rome let his unlawful acts slide

Up until they literally stabbed him in the back

>>152154830
That's the point though. Caesar had the balls to be illegal and change shit. Had you refused to and milked Gaul it would've gone on and the class difference would've slowly grown wider and wider.

>>152154854
But Carthage is a subset of Phoenicia.
It's like having Pergamon instead of Greece.
And Phoenicia is pretty historically important and influential.

>>152154431
> >>>/reddit/
> >>>/facebook/
> >>>/tumblr/
> >>>/9gag/
You are part of the problem.

I guess that's another universal negative that has happened to 4chan. 4chan used to be better when it was seen as some super secret club that literally everyone knew about. Back then 4chan at large didn't feel the need to compete with other sites. Now that the lie that 4chan was a super secret club has been dropped entirely, threads on every board can't go a hundred posts without the redirect meme.

>>152155092
Eh. It's more like having Syracuse instead of Greece or, in this case, (early) USA instead of Britain.

>>152155139
Well I mean, I don't know what your way of judging quality is. /co/ doesn't seem to be very quality to my eyes, at least.

>>152155258
I also thought of saying Syracuse before wondering how influential it really was.
As for America and Britain, that's pretty good too.

>>152155139
>threads on every board can't go a hundred posts without the redirect meme.
That's because frequent visitors of said sites forget they are on 4chins, this "meme" is just a friendly reminder they don't belong here.
>>152155258
>/co/ doesn't seem to be very quality to my eyes, at least.
It started the whole MLP faggotry, this single reason strips any quality /co/ had.

>>152153818
is that caveman 2 cosmos

>>152154935
Stabbing comes later.

>>152154974
Probably, without reformers like Caesar constantly shouting for land reform. However two points:
1) As the other anon said way back, it was that dependency on the wealth and slaves of conquest that exacerbated everything wrong with Rome.
2) I should be clear that if I was in Julius's place I wouldn't just try to turn Rome from a city of stone to a city of marble. I'd try to make things better for humanity in general. So murdering 1 million men, women, and children and then bragging about it wouldn't be something I would do. Just let the poor Gauls settle. That would lead to it's own problems but I believe it would be better overall.

>>152155258
>/co/ doesn't seem to be very quality to my eyes, at least.
Compared to what? I'd say it is one of the better boards. Maybe not as good as /tg/ or some of the less popular boards, but as far as far as popular boards go /co/ seems downright pleasant.

>>152155849
Different guy here

/tg/ is a different breed of shitty

>>152155618
The redirect meme has zero worth and is used against literally anyone you disagree with.

>>152155618
The MLP debacle blew over years ago in my eyes
The problem is they don't seem to have recovered.

>>152155651
Yeah
I think I'm the only one playing it though.

>>152155691
The main thing about your points is how they would've meshed with society in general.
1> That anon was me, but the thing is that even if you stop, you can't stop others without the wealth and power that comes from conquest.
2> The issue with the 'poor gauls' is that they weren't friendly towards Rome, and the Romans sorely remembered being attacked by them. Remember that the Gauls have historically been a thorn in Rome's side and that the Romans were looked upon as foreign fucks. Now you might say 'live and let live', but the problem with that is by 'letting live' you utterly fail at gaining the power to make people let live.

>>152155849
/a/ is better than /co/ by a long shot, assuming you lurk a bit and choose threads you're interested in.

>>152155925
/tg/ is just autistic. They can be comfy if you choose the right threads. Honestly it always comes down to choosing the right threads.

>>152155994
>I think I'm the only one playing it though.

I tried playing it a few years back, the bloat game ridiculous. It's a nice idea but i don't think my computer can handle it, honestly. Play too fast and you miss the point of the game, but set it to one of the crazy long game speeds and it's just a thousand turns to research fire. If I was already struggling with prehistory I didn't want to know what it'd be like when civs actually started to get a lot of cities and turn times got larger

>>152155974
>>>/trash/

>>152155925
Has it changed? Years ago when I was a regular it was the best board. /tg/ could simultaneously discuss ludicrous fantasy scenarios while going into in depth discussion of history with fucking MLA citations.

The fact that you were on a board about a form of game that virtually no one played and was almost exclusively for autists meant no one had any pretense about being better than anyone else.

>>152156268
It's still like that for the most part
Just, bail on threads if the

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Discussion shows up, although if you were an oldfag at any time you know this.

>>152156268
I think I just grew up, I don't know. Board's lost its luster ever since that whole nazimod shit happened and you couldn't just predent it was /d/-lite anymore

Funny that should happen, because I browsed /g/ semi-recently and the weekly smut thread shit disgusted me

I don't know, just general disillusion on my end, I'm sure the board is fine

>>152156509
sounds like someone has been tumblrized

rip in peace anon

>>152156209
My i7 4770k at 4.7 chugs 10 seconds a turn easily without Raging Barbarians or Barbarian cities near researching sedentary lifestyle and is taking around 15 now that I'm researching writing.
Honestly you just need to play it over summer vacation or some shit. It's 14k turns on Eternity.

>>152156509
4chan in general is growing old
You can tell just looking at the memes we shit out. Used to be FIRIN MAI LAZOR, rage comics (lmao) and U MAD TROLOL XD, now it's REEEE and depressed / dark shit. The former wasn't specifically cancerous so much as just carefree.

>>152155994
>1> That anon was me, but the thing is that even if you stop, you can't stop others without the wealth and power that comes from conquest.
Honestly, I see this as a falacy. "I can't NOT steal because if I don't steal then someone else will steal it". It ignores the fact that history is written by millions of single decisions. It's like the Cold War. A lot of people saw a nuclear exchange as inevitable. I'm sure there were plenty of similar situations where people saw war as inevitable. But when tensions rose cooler heads prevailed due to singular sometimes virtuous decisions. Enough of those moments and the entire SHTF situation subsides.

It's like they said in Cloud Atlas. A virtuous action (or inaction like NOT killing 1 million people) is just a drop in the metaphorical sea of history, but what is the sea but a multitude of drops?

>The issue with the 'poor gauls' is that they weren't friendly towards Rome, and the Romans sorely remembered being attacked by them.
Yeah, that's why I admitted it would create new problems. I won't argue if you disagree with me because how Rome possibly could have handled the situation without genocide and the result are difficult to impossible to meaningfully discern.

>Now you might say 'live and let live', but the problem with that is by 'letting live' you utterly fail at gaining the power to make people let live.
That's actually a good point. The conservatives may use "CAESAR IS JUST LETTING THIS INVADING ARMY INTO ROMAN LAND" as a political tool. But I'm sticking with my decision on this. If someone wants to undo my attempt to avoid genocide then that sucks, but I'm not going to do their dirty work for them. And like I said, enough virtuous decisions and eventually "unavoidable" bloodshed is avoided.

This is getting depressing

Here, a thought experiment to get you people to stop talking about 4chan being dead

Name ONE good thing about Beyond Earth

That should keep you guys occupied for a few minutes

>>152157176
satellite layer

>>152157176
The soundtrack

>>152157129
>"I can't NOT steal because if I don't steal then someone else will steal it".
That isn't the problem. The problem is that in the Roman senate at the time, corruption was rampant. If Caesar wanted to change anything he NEEDED power and money and influence fast in a way that would let him outstrip the competition. Without this power, I'm not saying that someone else will attack gaul, but that you are completely unable to stop them.
It's essentially the same thing as my last point. Think of it this way: before Rome took Gaul it was full of gallic tribes who warred with Germans and each other and with Rome. Under Rome, they couldn't do that. Now was it worth the genocide? Maybe. Maybe not. But the fact remains that only with power can you make any decision of yours do anything, and the clearest way at the time to gain power in Rome was to get a lot of money - by looting Gaul.

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>>152157176

>>152157176
music
satellites
virtues
affinity
ruins
shame that even the good features feel half-made

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>>152157176
Trade routes for every city.

No luxury system combined with global happiness like CiV did.

Amazing soundtrack.

SPACE!

>>152157176
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtK5ItSzY98

>>152157176
It being bad made me not being hyped for Civ VI, which soon I'll learn if is this a good thing or not

The same happened with Arkham City: Harley's Revenge and Arkham Knight and I was right about that

>>152157576
It really was wasted potential: the game

They shouldn't have trusted it to those two guys alone.

>>152145440
>building the Great Library
do you enjoy losing?

>>152148430
Daily reminder that Brutus did literally nothing wrong as attested by Plutarch's research on the historical record
:^)

>>152158193
I can't be assed to actually fire up HBO's Rome and make a webm so this'll have to do
>"Where are the cheering crowds?"

>>152138665
Too bad the real Barbossa didn't wear plate armour.

>>152146552
Across the board boost seems more accurate to the real life Great Library since it was a collection of literature from all over the world, sharing knowledge of a vast array of subjects, some that became rediscovered and some that are still lost to us today.

Fuck everyone who is responsible for the library's burning. Book burning is one of the worst crimes against humanity a socitey can do.

>>152158286
As evidenced by the historical account of one Shakespeare, Bill, everyone was cheering for the death of the tyrant once Brutus explained, but the devilish Marcus Antonius seized Brutus' kindness to twist the minds of the crowds with his shrewd rhetoric

>>152157531
>If Caesar wanted to change anything he NEEDED power and money and influence fast in a way that would let him outstrip the competition.
That's crux of the discussion I think, all the way back to the very beginning of this hypothetical tangent.

I WOULDN'T try to drastically change Rome at all costs if I was just one mortal taking the place of a historical figure. As you said, to drastically change Rome you pretty much have to set horrible precedents (horrible precedents that would fuck Rome over in the long run anyway). If not you can only make meager changes.

That's actually why I saw the thought experiment was absurd way back when. Unless you gifted me supernatural powers over the course of Rome I wouldn't pretend that I could change things.

I would simply do the best I can to change Rome and set the best precedents and then rely on those precedents and a little bit of faith in humanity to do the rest. It may work out, it may not. That is what has gotten us this far as a species/civilization.

Really enjoying the discussion BTW.

P.S. - I would probably loot Gaul a little. As Julius I have a lot of debts to pay back.

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>>152159016
>Fuck everyone who is responsible for the library's burning.
Say that to my face, nigga.

>>152159112
And see that's what I'm saying. It's not the problem of whether or not you WANT to change things. The reality of this world is that if you want to do anything you need power, and to get power you don't always have the choice of doing this 'nicely'. The question is if you think doing the 'mean' thing, tarnishing your reputation, perhaps setting a bad precedent, etc. is worth MAYBE setting your society on a better path, in your mind, or if it's better to sit back and hope, knowing that shit may hit the fan worse than it ever would have had you taken the dive.

>>152159280
Julius didn't burn the Great Library though.

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>>152159397
>But officer, I didn't mean to kill him!
A crime is still a crime, whether intended or not.

>>152159280
Fuck you Cesar. Brutus was the hero Rome needed.

>>152159397
Indirectly he did. Rome had its fair share of fires. Julius therefore knew full well what happens when you start a fire in a city.

>>152159397
>The reality of this world is that if you want to do anything you need power, and to get power you don't always have the choice of doing this 'nicely'.
I disagree. This brings me back to the sea being a multitude of drops. The best you can do to shape the course of history now or at any point in history is to set the best precedents and have a little faith in humanity.

Setting horrible precedents ultimately fucks you over no matter how good your intentions are. The ends always justifies the means, but you have to take EVERY end into account. The effect your means has on the way future people will conduct themselves is yet another end to consider. Genocide, breaking the law for wealth, and throwing generally throwing the system under your wheels for power are not good precedents. Rome had enough bad precedents by that time without me adding to them.

>>152160275
And yet here is the issue - at that point, people who set good precedents simply do not gain the recognition or power that people who set bad precedents did. It's no good setting good precedents if nobody hears about them. You would need to set bad precedents, making a name for yourself and gaining power, and then turn to setting good precedents once people give a shit who you are. Hannibal may have doomed Carthage by going to war with Rome, but the fact of the matter is he would've lived and died in Spain without anyone giving a shit about him unless he did something that brought attention.
Furthermore, modern morality is not ancient morality, and you may have simply been mocked as an imbecile or coward instead of setting a precedent.

>>152159629
>what is mens rea

>>152160534
You aren't totally wrong. Rome in particular was a messed up system that had for centuries fallen further to corruption. When you are up against the people with all the money you have to bend the rules sometimes. Genocide and fabricating casus belli is on a whole other level than backroom dealings though.

>modern morality is not ancient morality
1) I already acknowledged that finding a non-violent solution to the Gallic situation may be spun as weakness by conservative opponents. Hell if I think that would be an unfair trade for saving 1 million human lives.
2) Humans have always valued human lives to one degree or another. It's just that it carried lest weight to some people at some times.
3) Me making the past better by setting moral precedents is kind of the whole point.

>>152161338
Regardless of intent, ignorance is not a substantial defense, at least not in the US.

>>152148290
>how in the fuck can I avoid crazy warmonger penalties
You can't. But not to worry, the AI is always treacherous so you can safely ignore anything they have to say about anything until it's their time to be culturally enriched.

>>152161841
>Hell if I think that would be an unfair trade for saving 1 million human lives.
You fail to see the problem. Since you both failed to achieve "greatness" and were using modern 'weak' moralities, the end result will be that those who seek greatness and glory will despise your morality even further.
Think of it this way.
A hobo preaches A.
A billionaire who has basically won at life, got the girl, etc. preaches B.
In a vacuum, who are you more likely to listen to? Obviously the second right?
Now think of it in practical terms. A loser shit who failed to achieve greatness demonstrates 'peace and coexistence'. A top "alpha" who's gotten all the bitches, all the money, multiple consulships, whatever, says 'war and glory'. Who do you think the new senators will emulate? What if you achieved glory and then spoke of peace and coexistence? What if you achieved glory, changed the system so peace and coexistence might actually work, then spoke of it? New senators might be more inclined to listen to you right? Oh sure, you were fiery as a youth and achieved glory through bloodshed, but the universal idol of Roman men now suggests peace and a different moral system. Might you not think he's enlightened? He's been right this whole time, it's been working this whole time, why would he suddenly become wrong?

>>152161854
it used to be until they kiked it up

>>152162430
I'm sorry you have to repeat yourself but I've acknowledged your point and given you my position.

All I can do aside from reiterate what I've already said is to point out that the changes I have suggested to Julius's life have thus far only been to AFTER he was already one of the most prominent and powerful figures in Rome. He did that before genociding the Gauls and starting personal wars in non-Roman Europe.

>>152161854
Ignorance of consequences actually is, within reasonable levels - aluminum scrap being tossed with rusty shards into a fireplace and thereby becoming thermite and burning down your house isn't necessarily something you're expected to know.
What is not a substantial defense is ignorance of the law.

Stellaris question. I downloaded and put everything correctly for a mod that is supposed to work for 1.2 from the Mega folder. The .mod file lists the version it works for correctly and everything, what am I doing wrong? (yes, it is enabled on the launcher)

>>152157176
civlopedia's pretty great

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>Venetian Arsenal
>Requires: Mass Production
>Yield: +2 Great Engineer points per turn.
>Cost: 616 production (quick)
>"Receive a second naval unit each time you train a naval unit. Must be built adjacent to the Coast and adjacent to an Industrial Zone district."
This sounds broken even if it only applies to one city, which it might not.

>>152166531
>Cost: 616 production (quick)
With that much production you can probably build naval units you get from this wonder anyway

>>152166531
the wonders in general seem to be really good because you have to give up a tile to build them and they have specific prerequisites

like, venetian arsenal requires the tile to be adjacent to both the coast and an industrial district

>>152167171
yep. this means that you wont be able to just spam out every wonder (outside of a couple) in your home city, because you have wonders competing for tile improvements, and the almighty districts. so its good that they're beefing them up and making them actually feel like wonders of the world instead of just giving you a couple faith or whatever per turn.

>>152167171
>be England
>beeline for Ventian Arsenal because it would be instant victory
>don't get it
>exit to windows
No wonder should be that important to the outcome of a game. It's like they took the complaints against BE's useless wonders to heart but then went too far.

Same goes for Petra. It's even more powerful than it was in CiV. A wonder shouldn't change a shit city into the best city in the game. It should either turn a shit city into an okay city or an okay city into a great city. In CiV and seemingly Civ6 Petra is an absurd gamble.

>>152167592
You are trying too hard to shill this as some hot new awesome feature. What does it mean you will have to remember tile requirements for each single wonder and hope you won't fuck up your tile placement somewhere in the middle of the game. Cue even bigger difference between shitty and awesome starts.

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>finally getting the hang of the dosh lords
>everything going well making lodsa emone
>this hits and halves my income
Fuck you too game.

>>152167592
>>152167998
It's a fair point though. Wonders are more of a sacrifice than they used to be because they now take up tiles. A city with a lot of production hoarding wonders will see diminishing returns as it runs out of room for ideally placed districts and improvements.

Good starts being more important is also a good point, but Civ 6 is going to be more about going wide than Civ 5, so starting locations will be less important.

One problem I foresee though is that the AI will be even more inadequate in Civ 6 than 5 and rely more on flat bonuses for higher difficulties because of the importance of tile placement and the AI's inherent disadvantage when it comes to finding the ideal placement of districts.

>>152168549
All you had to do was listen to Al Gore.

>>152167918
In Civ V Petra isn't that powerful, it transforms useless desert tiles to plains tiles. Only reason it's powerful is because of hills and that was because desert hills=grassland/plains hills in Civ V for some fucking reason. If they don't do this in Civ VI it won't be overpowered at all

Seriously, everyone is judging wonders based from experiences from previous games. Just wait for game to be released and then judge if its balanced or not

>>152169237
Petra in CiV would have been fine had they only given +1 food to hills instead of the full +1 food and production. Even if they do that in Civ 6 though, the base bonus to regular old desert tiles is already huge!
>+2 Food, +2 Gold, and +1 Production

Unless unimproved tiles are already +4 of various yields Petra is as broken as ever.

>>152167998
>Cue even bigger difference between shitty and awesome starts.
>implying this is bad

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>tfw playing a 1000 star map with only 1 other starting empire (and 3 fallen empires)
>tfw they're literally on the opposite side of the galaxy
>tfw peaceful start with only a couple primitives-turned-empires to worry about
>tfw its gonna be a fucking slogfest to the finish when I meet the other empire
How do you get comfy and allow more maximum RP potential in your games, /4xg/?

>>152170984
Except it is bad. It's leaving one more aspect of the game to chance rather than skill.

>>152171409
Is Civilization a min-max game to you? To me I think it's pretty cool that starts are huge.

>>152171246
Start settler on Civ 5 on a huge map with only 1 opponent and no city states.
Make sure to disable all victories except for science and domination.
Wonderwhore and also spam cities.
Automate workers because who gives a shit lmao.

>>152171409
Expanding enough to get all wonders' requirements is skill though
t. Hiawatha

>>152171651
Video games are popular because they provide the feeling of achievement. Some people like earning that achievement by becoming better at something. Others have no problem with blatantly fooling themselves into thinking they are achieving anything, like by restarting the map until you by chance get a perfect start

>>152171671
My only complaint is
>No city-states
That shit is fun to fight over, m8

>>152171913
>Others have no problem with blatantly fooling themselves into thinking they are achieving anything, like by restarting the map until you by chance get a perfect start
Or I mean
You could always have fun struggling with the randomness and have fun just having a casual game?

>>152172086
That's what I just said.

i rolled a huge highlands map with mountain ridges
i have made a huge mistake

>>152172324
Is it...? I'm not sure anymore what's going on.
I don't know man. I beat each Civ on Deity once for cheevo points but it feels like a fucking slog after that. Playing on Noble or Immortal at most is plenty enough, just sit back and roleplay a little. Sort of like Total War, Legendary is all well and good but it's literally 100% cheese so it's boring after the first time around.

>>152172485
Fooling yourself into that achievement high instead of actually getting better at what you are doing is like the definition of casual gaming.

>>152168549

>turn 97
>sub 4k+ dpt

wew lad let me tell you right now you're not even close to "having the hang of" the dosh lords

Music in JFD's Cultural Diversity mod great, is there a way to find what all of these songs actually are? I'm looking for the names of Babylon, Mesopotamic6 to specify

>they just showed all the leaders on the stream
dayum

>>152173246
Accidentally? Link?

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>>152173374

>>152172642
I don't know what the fuck you're on about, but being able to get through a WRE legendary pre-patch or a Deity game without savescumming or mapwiping sounds to me like it's not 'fooling'. Maybe some people play a game to enjoy themselves instead of aiming for some competitive bullshit in fucking singleplayer.

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>>152173246
>>152173374
well, not all, but most of them

>>152173419
Damn son. Aight let's try to match? >>152152541 Could C5 be Haraldr? Norway fits into the spot, he'd be on a ship.

>>152171913
>Video games are popular because they provide the feeling of achievement
Nice projection, but you're wrong.

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>>152173419
>>152173442
>Gorgo

>>152173589
I can assume B5 is gorgo, queen of sparta. C5 is haraldr simply because theres no other spots. and im guessing D5 is isabella from portugal.

>>152168552
>A city with a lot of production hoarding wonders will see diminishing returns as it runs out of room for ideally placed districts and improvements.
Did you really compare a district to a fucking wonder? We don't know how district yields fare against wonder yields yet. Even then the bonus of one wonder without yields will outperform any district yields.
>>152170984
Unless you think restarting until you get a non-shit start is a good thing (AI doesn't have this luxury and most likely will have to deal with shit starts on top of being subpar in the first place), then yes it is a bad thing.

>>152174000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgo,_Queen_of_Sparta

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>>152174059
>>152174000
>>152174159
>GORGO
They cannot be fucking serious right now

>gorgo
I cant wait for all the posts/threads bitching about how PC/SJW they're making this game
zzz

>>152174159
>literally just the wife of a martyr
Oh Goddammit Firaxis. Not again.

>no Agesilaus, even though you could push the gay agenda with him
>not even Timolean the crazy lucky liberator of Sicily

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>>152173442
GIRUGAMESH

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>>152173442
>>152174000
>>152174159
Where the fuck would she even go? This is ridiculous, there's no room for her. We're going to get both Sparta AND Athens? What? Is she an alt leader for Greece?

>>152174404
Gorgo is a literal who though. She's below Catherine in importance.

>>152173442
>picking women that weren't relevant to history just to fill the quotas and make the SFWs happy
Calling it now.
Civ6 will be shit.

>unit naming
>upgrade to scale cliff wall

>>152173060
Found the credits in mods folder, but not all of them are listed. Found the Babylon one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxsh_8ZWgMg, but can't find Mesopotamic6

>>152174507
This. Catherine shaped a fair part of the era. Gorgo did literally nothing. Mentioning her was just a subtle way of invoking Spartan glory through her dead husband.

>>152140290
gogogo

>>152173959
Papers have been written about this. I don't know what made up reason you think video games are played for unless you think "fun" is some magical nebulous concept that has zero context within the human condition.

>muh petra is great dude
>dude desert into plains good wonder

what if

get this

you just settled a city in plains instead of settling in a shit location and contending for a wonder EVERYONE GOES FOR (for some reason) to make a bad city just an alright city

in other words petra is a bigger noobtrap than the great library in civ 5

>>152174750
Nice projection still.

>>152174648
Catherine wasn't a superimportant like Louis XIV or Phillip II was but she DID something such that her wikipedia page has a lot of stuff to cover. Gorgo's page is literally
>this is her family
>this was her married life and husband
>she traveled a little
>pop culture

>>152174750
If you've read those papers then you also know that sense of achievement is not gained in a strict fashion uniform across people, that none are any less valid than others, and that, yes, 'comfy' is an actual thing.

>>152174750
>papers have been written about this
Papers have been written about literally anything. Papers have been written about how people shit in each era of history. Having papers written about a subject means fuck all.

However, comparing the similarities between the papers written about gaming as a form of achievement, and gambling as a form of achievement, and you'd actually have an argument. Even the industry knows that games are literally gambling. Look at CSGO, both ranked and crates.

>no Alexander
Good, the cunt.

>>152175003
>Even the industry knows that games are literally gambling. Look at CSGO
More like look at Overwatch.

>>152174935
Catherine did enough that she can be fleshed out as a character without inventing things.
>Flying Squadron
>peace-treaties with Huguenots

She wasn't just a queen regent sitting around doing nothing. There are notable things about her.

Gorgo is like the John Tyler or Millard Fillmore. They became important on accident, and still didn't do much with the new power.

>>152175340
But that's what I'm saying. You can argue that Catherine is a cop-out choice for a leader but she has a case to be made. Gorgo is literally anime genderbent Gilgamesh tier. Literally who?

>>152174750
>Papers have been written about this
And papers have been writing about how aliens built the pyramids.
This literally doesn't mean anything, except "some dudes agreed with me".

Escapism is a thing, not everyone is a tryhard who only like games when he wins.

>>152173442
I know that Phillip II is probably here for Spain, but I wish that it's rather a case of Greece having three leaderheads- Athens, Macedon, and Sparta.

>>152175590
>>152174935
>4x
>comfy escapism
Wrong genre.

>>152175696
What's bizarre is that they miss out on Isabella and Catherine of Russia in favor of literally who women like Gorgo.

>>152175879
Epic repartee.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>>152175879
>wrong genre
By whose decree you git? People play fucking TW for comfy escapism.

>>152175884
Also, seriously, why Cleopatra and not Hatshepsut?
Except Coptic.

>>152176073
Memes. Nigger Gorgo is a nobody except for being Leonidas' wife, and Leonidas is a (relative to other potential Greek leaders) nobody except for epic 300 memes.

>>152173442
Seems that if we're getting Persia in vanilla it'll be under Xerxes. On the other hand there's also still room for Suleiman. I'm hoping for the latter, so Tomyris can have her Cyrus.

>>152175985
There are exceptions to every rule but you have to admit that 4x is generally one of the least common sources of comfy or escapism.

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>>152176190
>implying

>>152176073
They've stated that they chose leaders based on personality and how those personalies might apply to gameplay, like what kind of things they like and what kind of things they hate. For example, Teddy doesn't like it when you mess around with civs or CSs on his home continent. Cleo buddies up with the militarily strongest civs around her and hates weaker civs.

>>152176821
I really don't. One of the favorite things in early games I liked to do was waste time in the throne room or comfy-autism my way through the game. I've even frozen research in Civ 4 and world-editor'd everyone the ones I wanted them to have to be even more comfy and spend 400 turns on the same techs.

Strategy games in general aren't sources of comfy or escapism but that's because idiots seem to think that ''''winning''''' is an accomplishment against the AI. It's the reason /gsg/ detests 'blobbing', because it shows a competitiveness that simply doesn't make sense.

If it were multiplayer, sure, but this is against the AI. Do you really feel proud of beating an AI that only stands a chance against you because it shits out units three times as fast and actively works with the system to fuck you over like choosing desert folklore when they have no desert but you're in flood plains desertland?

I dont know if they'd have a separate civ JUST for sparta. since they could do this with pretty much any civ in the game. I feel like she's a 'test' for multiple leaders per civ, and will be greeces alternate leader. but maybe the only alternate leader until dlc/expansions.

>>152177256
>If it were multiplayer, sure, but this is against the AI.
It doesn't have anything to do with AI. Civ rules are laid out in the way that there is only one winner. Which is the opposite of "comfy" which is a code-word for "boring" anyway.

>>152177549
>codeword for boring anyway
The myriad people with thousands of hours in M&B and EU and such disagree with you.

>civ rules are...
Stellaris rules have a 'victory' too, do you actually aim for it?

>>152177256
>Do you really feel proud of beating an AI that only stands a chance against you because it shits out units three times as fast and actively works with the system to fuck you over like choosing desert folklore when they have no desert but you're in flood plains desertland?
Yes? Why wouldn't you? Just because there are advantages between the player and the AI aren't symmetric doesn't mean it somehow isn't an accomplishment beating the AI on a difficulty setting that most can't.

And as you yourself seem to admit, most people play to win against the AI. You are simply the exception.

>>152177828
So by your logic anyone who doesn't play to blob WC in Paradox games is playing it the wrong way? Fuck off.

>>152177897
GSG don't have compelling gameplay to begin with so when you take away RPing you're left with nothing hence so called blobbing exists

>>152178706
How do they not have compelling gameplay? They're literally a deeper version of 4x games for the most part, bar the exploring.

>>152177403

If Sparta is a civ, I imagine that Pericles' civ is not Greece but rather Athens

>>152140290
roll

>>152173442
>HARALD HARDRADA
JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>152177403
>I feel like she's a 'test' for multiple leaders per civ
I always figured that this one was a given, with there being seperate leader abilities.

>>152178902
the weirdest thing is
why would they put in two greek city states instead of having greece, and another civ? makes no sense unless they're putting gorgo as an alternate greek leader.

>>152173442
>>152152541
Wait what the fuck?
If Phillip II is comfirmed, then what the fuck is Isabella Civ?
It can't be Portugal.

>>152179147
>>152179131
They would just have an alt leader this isn't hard to understand.

>>152179147
that might be another alternate leader. or portugal. who knows.

>>152179147
Then Phillip would be Phillip II of Macedon.
But where are you getting Isabella from anyway?

>>152179279
Look at the damn bingo

>>152177164
But what was Gorgo's personality even? Vengeful widow?

>>152179251
Lisbon is comfirmed as a citystate.

>>152179417
We'll see. I'm leaning towards meme with her though.

Whats's up with these flat attack bonuses in Civ 6? Frederick gets +7 combat strength against city-states? That sounds OP as hell early game and near non-existent late game. Is that intended or are they simply dumbing down the combat?

>18 civs at release
>22 leaders but Spain and Greece get two leaders
>Monty is a bonus
So another civ is DLC/Delux then? Probably Poland?

>>152180871
While "mods will fix it" is not a valid argument for how good a game is, it IS a valid argument for how good a game will be.
So - Mods will fix it.

>>152180871
It's against city states. Civs going for Domination conquer them anyway to deny their voting power to anyone after a Diplomatic win.

All that means is that, once the benefit of trading with the city state is outweighed by their voting power, the city state gets conquered with less hassle.

>>152181020
So I take it you are in the "dumbed down" camp.

>>152181384
No, I simply don't like the change and what I'm saying is that if you dislike it, mods will fix it.

>>152181525
So what you're saying is that you're part of the "dumbed down" camp.

>>152181759
...no I don't think it's dumbed down. I just don't agree with the change, since Imperial Free Cities didn't get stronger in comparison with the Emperor over time, they got weaker.

Greeks better not have bullshit with City-states again.

So since there's no Byzantium, who's gonna be the primary religious Civ?

>>152184415
Pericles probably will considering he was a big statesmen/speaker. but if Gorgo is going to be Greeks alternate leader, she is going to be warlike as hell.

>>152184939
I'd hazard a guess at the Aztecs. Catherine dealt with religion heavily, but probably won't have anything related to it, unless it's something like "toleration of minor religions," which isn't 100% accurate but whatever

>>152152732
you are a retard
>>152152150
he is also the reason isolationism is a boogeyman word in the us.

>>152185234
aztecs dont really have anything religious in their civ bonuses, though. it will probably be Kongo (lead by Nvemba a Niznga aka Afonso I)
>Afonso is best known for his vigorous attempt to convert Kongo to a Catholic country, by establishing the Roman Catholic Church in Kongo

>>152153572
>>152153818
>toxic
such a fucking dumb buzzword

>>152185556
>buzzword
This is a buzzword.

>>152154375
/tv/ is a gem to humanity

>>152185623
meta-terms cannot be hypocritical, /v/ermin.

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>>152185265

>Being a libercucktarian

>>152185796
>/v/ermin.
This is a buzzword

>>152185556
Shut your fucking retarded cuck mouth.

>>152185843
Who are you quoting?

>>152185623
And that is inherently bad why?

>>152187189
I didn't say it is.

>>152187319
Oh, then why did you call attention to it?

>>152187573
Why did the original person call attention to it?

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I have something for you fags

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=745779180

>>152187698
I may have linked to the wrong post.

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>>152187863
I'm certain I'll allowed a smug then/

>>152187713
Well my sides are completely destroyed tell you that much

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>>152187713
Noice.

>>152188128
>I'm certain I'll allowed a smug then/
You are incorrect. Smug anime girls are an ultimate finishing move for a disagreement. There was no disagreement.

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>>152188450
Shit, I guess I fucked up.
I'll suck you off as apology I guess.

>tfw when the captcha expires while you're uploading the image and now you have to select the street signs again

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>>152188568
>not using legacy captcha

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In the Civ6 stream today they revealed that you can "siege" a city by completely surrounding it with units, which makes it so it's unable to heal.

>>152188818
Interesting.

>>152188761
This doujin was god

>>152187713
>two UBs
sux

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>>152188818
there is also a promotion tree for units now

>>152188818
That actually sounds great.

>>152188818
So if a city is against three mountains it only takes 3 units to siege the city?

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>>152189074
they also have little dropdown menus for districts and such so the build menu isnt as cluttered

>>152189305
Different kind of districts? That might be fun.

>>152189420
well yea, theres 12 different districts.

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Y-You guyz. With all these districts, is it going to be possible to create Megacity One?

>>152189540
Neat. A shame they push women constantly, that game would've been good.

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>>152189830

>>152189830
Literally who cares though?

>>152186640
cucks use the word toxic the most cuck

>>152191186
cucks cuck the word cuck the most cuck

>>152190063
I'm glad they fixed his face.

>>152192661
chin choppa chin choppa

Are there any mods that make Stellaris good yet?

>>152166531
Why does Firaxis tempt me to destroy the world so much?

>>152197752
These are Boats of Peace.

>>152188818
Fuck I missed the stream and it doesn't look like it's watchable on twitch.

FUCK.

>>152196267
That star trek mod is interesting

>>152189305
>>152189074
Noice

Anyone got a link to a good guide for CK2?
I'm on my first playthrough, have problems with succession and can't find decent guides that aren't either only about the basics or only about really advanced shit
Or if anyone can help: I started as dublin in 1066, inherited a nearby county at my father's death, then my ruler died and my counties were divided between two of my sons instead of just the eldest
How do I make it so that just the one son inherits everything without killing all his brothers? The menu to grant land titles only gave my initial ruler's brother as an option

>>152200379
As interested as you are in a decent guide, this is the wrong general. Go to /gsg/, who deals with grand strategy.

>>152200379
You have to change succession law to... anything other than gavelkind.
Which might actually be quite difficult if you start off as a tribe in Ireland. A reasonable alternative solution is to make sure you have one and only one duke-level title. Then when your man dies, the eldest son gets the duke title and the other sons get the count titles, which means you're still the overlord of all your lands and your brothers serve under you.

(Although /gsg/ is for CK2 questions, here is just Stellaris)

>>152200967
To his defense, I visited /gsg/ when I first tried CK2, getting any useful from them is extremely difficult. The only good thing I got was a link to the wiki that I'm reposting because there's Stellaris too :
http://wikis.paradoxplaza.com/

Everything else were accusations of me baiting, being a retard, not doing the tutorial, and trying to derail the thread into actualy game discussion.

>>152200559
>>152200967
>>152201402
Thanks for the answers
And yeah just saw stellaris and assumed this was a general for other paradox games too, my bad

>>152201819
This is more of a RTS/4X general. The Grand Strategy general is distinct, and they're extremely shitty.

Women in Sparta had a lot more say and responsibility than people expect from a gung-ho, martial society where men loved male strength so much they all were catamites.

I'm not sure Gorgo is a good fit, but Leonidas is so obvious as to be boring.

>>152202624
Agesilaus.
Literally the Agamemnon of his time.

t. Plutarch, so take a grain of salt with it

shame that the civ leak wont get them to upload first looks any faster

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>tfw Rome and Boudicca declares war on you

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>>152137184
She's an uggo.

>>152210529
I like all of those female character designs.

>>152210529
she isnt even an sjw though. she goes to otakucon and hasnt posted a single tumblr-related thing on her twitter, from what ive seen. unlike a lot of 'community managers' that ive seen.

funny enough, the new artstyle isnt from her at all. its because the project art producer of the game is the same as civ revolution, Brian Busatti. he did the modeling in previous games as well, but not art direction. but people will blame it on sjw's instead, obviously.

>>152210529
>lifting the OP image from that thread full of misinformation on /v/

I like your style.

>>152176190
>>152177057
I hope 300 memes come back.

I miss 2007.

>>152210529
Why does the barbarian look the best?

>>152188818
>Brazil made it in on the base game
Superpower by 2020 confirmed.

>>152202624
> the most famous leader of a natio shouldn't be its leader in Cov because "that's too obvious"

When did this become hipster general

>>152212091
Because harsh lands breed delicious Amazons. There's a reason the "civilized" Greeks and Romans preferred the company of men and young boys over women.

>>152212485
more like catering to autistic TSLers

>>152212091
They are the only ones who aren't inbred. Rape keeps the gene pool lively.

>>152210529
vi are all so hideous what the hell

>>152213870
I think they look great.

>>152213814
I don't know what that means

>>152214145
People who like to play on Earth maps with every civ beginning in the place their capital is in the real world.

They always whine about civ reveals either crowding or leaving empty certain continents when honestly having good, historically based mechanics is more important than making sure a map looks nice.

>>152213870

>implying anyone from any civ game looked remotely attractive

the civ 6 character artstyle reminds me of dishonored honestly

>>152140290
Yeah alright

>>152210529
I dunno, I get a weird uncanny valley vibe from all of the Civ5 leaders, especially the vanilla ones. They got better with the expansions.

Civ 6 leaders all look pretty nice

Catherine de Medici is a total milf

>>152214349
Oh I see, yeah I tough so as well, I just didn't know there was a term for this, I guess it makes sense to choose Brazil for this since there is also a big market for these types of games here.
I just wished they would've picked Vargas instead of Pedro.

In Civ4 is it better to build cottages or farms on flood plains?

>>152214113
they all have the same face

>>152214372
civ v had some qts

>>152140290
brutal anal rape

>>152214372
Really? They make me think of pixar or a disney movie.

>>152215584
>they all have the same face

What the fuck are you on, if there's anything to the Civ VI art style's credit it's that all of the leaders look very different.

>>152215584
>they all have the same face
What do you call it when someone says something that is the opposite of true?

>>152215996
Wrong?

>>152211058
>civ revolution
god i forgot about that piece of shit

>>152216331
Yeah, that's the word. That other anon is wrong. That other anon is really really wrong.

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