/4xg/ - Stellaris and 4X Games General

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first for best girl

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What a trade

>>151425668
Fungus operates much like animals in that it takes in energy from its environment and doesn't utilize photosynthesis. Maybe I misread your post. I don't know.

>>151426376
Age of Empires 2 is cryptic bullshit. Just like Battle Realms.


They don't make games like that now.

>>151426765
>Age of Empires 2 is cryptic bullshit
what did he mean by this

>>151425858
I'm going to enjoy Civ VI and nobody can stop me.

>>151429532
>implying
You will hate it. And then you will hate yourself. Like we all do.

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>>151429532
Whom will you play as first?

>Civ6 comes in 3 months
>tfw still haven't tried Civ5

First, I wanted to give Firaxis time to iron out the inevitable issues after release. Later, upon seeing the bunch of map pack and whatnot, I decided to wait for GOTY (as I usually do). Then it turned out it doesn't contain everything, plus there'll be an upcomic expansion.

Later, Gold Edition looked a must have but then I realised they still managed to leave Brave New World out of it. After all these hassle Complete Edition finally offered a total package, but by that time my interest (that wasn't that high to begin with) totally dried up.

If Firaxis going to play the same scenario (or worse) with the sixth episode, they won't see a dime from me (again). Unless it's going to be the most polished and advanced episode so far, which is really unlikely from what I'Ve seen so far.

>>151426765
Ah, Battle Realms. It was a breath of fresh air even back then, the unit combination part was innovative yet not overly complicated. It's a shame it never got a proper sequel or at least a spiritual successor.

>>151430263
I heard there's a Lotus expansion in the work, but it's kinda ded right now.

We used to think that if you played on the internet, you could send your troops to be trained in your allies' barracks to get even more units.

is it autistic to not care about civ VI at the slightest because of the artstyle?

>>151430448
no, it's perfectly reasonable to not like something because of the way it looks.

for example I don't like Civ 4 because it looks hideous compared to 3.

>>151430112
England or Germany.

>>151429532
I'm a masochist. If Rome II didn't stop me from falling for the preorder hype then nothing will. Besides, they have a good team on this one and from the released footage so far it looks quite nice.

Is Stellaris good now?
How new Dlc and patch?
Did swedes fix game?

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Rolling

>>151436147
Not yet

>>151436147
No.
No.
No.
Wait until the "Good Game" dlc.
Should be out within the year.

>>151436147
The new plantoids DLC is great! Only 8 bucks for a few portraits and a new shipstyle! What a steal, it's worth 20 bucks at the very least!

>>151436505
>$20 for 1/6 of the content
Jewhan wanted to chage $120 for stellaris

>>151436505
I find $8 for optional cosmetics less offensive than $20 to make the game not shit.

>>151438318
It's only £5 in the UK, which is $6.41.

>>151436147
DUDE PLANTS LMAO

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>>151441695
What traits should they have?

>>151441695
>>151442020
Humanoid-plants.

We will never get planet devouring race because muhh warscore and gotta respect that universal galaxy rule for no reason :^)

>>151442020
DUDE WEED LMAO
Ask Seth Rogan maybe

>>151442020
Sedentary.

>>151442279
I just want Super Capitals and Doomsday lasers.

>>151436239
>finished my diplomacy portugal and science maya game
Time to go for a third.

>>151449896
>95-98 reroll
Fug

>>151436239
>>151450081
>maya again
Fuck, rerolling again.

>>151436239
Let's see how awful this world must become

>>151442020
Anything that consumes more food.

>>151436239
Let's see if I can get a lucky spawn and use [rolled civ] to finally unite Ireland on the UK map.
>always split between four pacifist civs and none of them ever amount to anything, while the war rages in England proper

>>151451026
>Polynesia
>map of choice
>Domination

This is a good sign.

>>151436239
rolling rock is a shit beer

>>151455590
Ottomeme cultural victory on Earth, interdasting

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What is the point of Seekers? No matter how I look at them they're literally just eclipsed by Monks in literally every aspect

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What are some good Stellaris mods lost to the sea of stuff in the workshop?

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So I built this city 14 turns ago and rushed petra in it with a great engineer the turn it was settled while a worker went sanic with farm building and a naval food route from my capital. I don't think I've ever seen a city grow this quickly before.

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>>151436239

>>151459772
ethiopian scum.
impressive though

>>151459772
This city now has higher population than my capital with 21 pop to 20. Quite impressive for a city that was founded on turn 100

what's the latest stellaris patch

>>151462291
Minor. Basically just fixes the broken Xeno Integration tech so now you actually can have xeno leaders if you're a filthy racetraitorous cuck

>>151462578
no I meant what's the patch number

I'm gonna get the latest edition, I haven't played for like 2 months

>>151462740
1.2.4

>>151462578
>he doesn't want to find out what hot plant babes can do to his cock
Sounds like you're a fag desu.

how do you even get aliens in your empire without conquering them

>>151463336
I am on my phone so sadly do not have access to my extensive /lewd/monstergirls/plantgirls folder, but rest assured I know exactly what plantgirls can do to my cock.
But the fact that I want hot stamen on pistil action doesn't mean I want them running my empire.

>>151463834
Migration treaties.
But you can only sign them if you have the free movement policy, and the free movement policy is 100% guaranteed to fuck up your resource management, so no-one does it.

>>151464742
>the free movement policy is 100% guaranteed to fuck up your resource management

I hope they actually decide on what direction they want to take the game. This half of everything in the game is shit because it fucks something up meme they have going is pretty shit.

>>151463336
>getting poison ivy on your dick
my rash is starting to flare up again

Fuck the change from Core World to Core System is so good, now I have a reason to terraform all those planets in the systems neighboring the homeworld.

Though I really don't like how you only find out if a sector is deficient on tech until an hour in, I just want to reroll to get a good start you know?

>>151466780
>>151464742

Is it odd that one of the biggest additions I want to the game is a second stage of race creation where you figure out more details of your race's history and get bonuses, abilities or even custom events because of it?

Like, I want to be a Fanatical Spiritualist that sacrifices aliens to my sun gods or Materialists that are actually fine with cybernetic enhancements (where are those in the game, anyway?)

>>151466974
>now I have a reason to terraform all those planets
no you still really don't

>>151467268

Explain why I shouldn't use the resources I wouldn't use anywhere else on terraforming a 23 size tropical world to arid and dump a colony ship on it.

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>fleet sieging city of Ribe
>just finished castle
>a hurricane hits destroying my castle

stellaris patch download for pirates where??

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>>151468192
>misclick my garrisoned pikeman sending him to explore instead of fortify
>he jumps right out into the ocean
>no funds to purchase a new garrisoned unit
>it's one turn from the 10 turn auto-save

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>>151468192
>>151468482
This is the second CBP game I've lost on Immortal. First Persia with Authority then Indonesia with Progress. Both times I used my early UU to conquer a neighboring civ only to be out teched, DOWd, and then bled dry by over 100 turns of war. And they NEVER want peace.

Next time I'll use a civ without an early UU. I'm typically pretty solid on Immortal but maybe early aggression just doesn't work well in CBP.

>>151470113
To elaborate, I won the initial wars. It's the the inevitable second war with another civ I lose.

What is this CBP meme, I presume a mod? What does it do?

>>151467765
waste of time. Usually just as good worlds to settle close enough by even if they are a few less tiles. Terraforming takes ridiculously long. By the time it's done my borders have usually surpassed the planet anyway and I'm looking outwards.

>>151470704
yes a mod, changes just about everything to make a more balanced game.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=528034

http://civ-5-cbp.wikia.com/wiki/Civ5_CBP_Wikia

>>151467765
Because just shipping in some ayy lmaos who are already correctly suited to it is so much more efficient.
Terraforming is shit-tier.
Spreading your main race is suboptimal anyway, uplifts are strictly better to the tune of 20 happiness points

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If you had to choose between Cleo and Hatsheptut(?) for Civ VI, who'd you choose?

>>151475167
Hatshepsut was at least fuckin Egyptian, and if I recall correctly, she wasn't a bad pharaoh

Cleo was a shitty leader, an inbred Greek, and the pop culture normie option. Sheppy all the way

>>151475167
Cleo was a fucking slut. Hatshep all the way.

>>151475167
This >>151475408
If they wanted a female pharaoh, Hatsheput is the way better option, hell Nefertiti would be pretty cool too.

>>151475167
I'd rather a male pharaoh.

>>151475167
Hatshepsut is more reasonable but I like Cleo better.

>>151476507
we just had that with Ramses

>>151476507
Snofru the Pyramid Maximizer

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>australia never gets a leader

>>151436239
go

>>151475167
Cleo was the reason the Egyptian's lost their empire. Why would anyone want to romanticize her?

>>151482376
Because seh's sexy.

>>151436239

Rollingo

I don't remember the leader chart, is there any leader that represents Celts/Irish in Civ VI? Or will that island be simply empty?

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>>151482596
Romans loved her.

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>>151482771
That island should always be empty.

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>if your fleets are inside an enemies borders when you declare war on them they just go MIA because no fun allowed
Fuck you Paradox. You even take the fun out of being a crazy backstabbing asshole.

wouldn't a star wars mod be pretty fun and fitting for stellaris. I remember liking the mod for SoaSE: rebellion

How do you guys enable the DLCs? I can't get the plantoids working, but the arachnoids and creatures of the void work

>>151486381
yeah that shit is so stupid. At least put them at the edge of the borders or something. You just get fucked having them MIA for a few months

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/4xg/, I'm a Stellaris player and I'm starting to get somewhat bummed about expanding into noodly/scattered empires or having to wait for repatriates to calm down before I take more of their homeland. Do you have any advice for expanding?
In addition, is anyone here working on adding new ship models to the game?

>>151488992
Take alien planets and replace their populations with robots then terraform them

>>151488992
> having to wait for repatriates to calm down before I take more of their homeland
No you don't.
Homelander rebellions are completly trivial. Just annex at full tilt, let 'em try to rebel, and bomb the shit out of them again. It's a hundred times faster than actually letting them cool off.

>>151488992
>waiting for them to calm down
jesus do you ever get anything done? just take all there shit, purge anyone unhappy

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>>151489917
>Confucianism - Carthaginian Empire
>Islam, Judaism - Celtic Empire
>Sikhism - Byzantine Empire
That's the fucking reason why I always use historical religions mod

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>>151489917
silly meme religions

>>151489979
What does it exactly do? I see there's a bunch of new religions but how does it prevent nations from founding / adapting meme religions?

>>151493004
It also makes them found their actual religions. Celts would found Druidism for example. I use complete edition of it, which adds really shitload of religions and also is compatible with many civ mods

>>151493262
Sounds good. How is it implemented in-game? I mean, do they automatically get it at point or whenever they want to found one their option is limited to one? Also, does it restrict the player in a similar fashion (i.e. you can only found your nation's starting religion)?

>>151493546
That mod is just flavour, doesn't change anything mechanic related. It's just if they found a religion, they found the religion they actually believed in real life. I think, I'm not sure about this part, if the religion they believed is already founded, they choose the closest one. And it doesn't limit players in anyway, so you can still meme if you want. In fact you can meme even harder because you'll have like about 100 extra religions to choose from

>>151431214
>4 hideous compared to 3
3 is straight up grotesque looking though, everything looks super uncanny valley when it doesn't look like the early 2000's F2P equivalent.

>>151430448
Probably yeah, there's a whole game beneath it you know

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>>151493663
It's the best of both worlds then. Thanks for the info!

>>151486381
>tfw Dankest Dungeon General is dead for months

>>151494157
Because people found out how much of a piece of shit it was.

>>151494376
This. It's a retarded grindfest. The mechanic around the last dungeon is just there to make you grind yourself to death.

>>151494560
Isn't there something about the developpers being faggots too?

>>151494560
GAPING
ABYSS

>>151494560
Funny you mention that, I remember a Steam review (that was flagged as abusive to protect the dev's feeling) explaining that most of the efforts went into catering to the youtubers reviewing the game by adding specific lines just for them, while the gameplay was still insanely broken and hasn't been fixed for months during the developement, with the devs using the "early access" card constantly.

It also doesn't help that the fanbase around the game is as awful as the dark souls one, with every reply being either "get gud" or "I can do it with my arms tied while having my grielfriend fucking my in the ass with a strap-on, it's easy".

hail friends i am seriously thinking of getting stellaris.
>is it any good?
>what are some bad things about it?
>do human names match races so i don't get a black guy called lim wong?
>can i disable spics?

>>151495036
>is it any good?
It's fun at first but get annoying quickly because...
>what are some bad things about it?
The AI is pretty bad (your AI, anyway, have fun having governors that are ineps), the fights are just doomstacks against doomstacks with cheese, it lacks something to let you immerse in it, and most features (like the pirates) are way too basic right now.
>do human names match races so i don't get a black guy called lim wong?
There's only one human race in the vanilla game. Get mods.
>can i disable spics?
See above.

>>151495256
that reminds me that i stopped browsing the thread shortly after NO MULTICULTURALISM HERE was banned, is there a replacement on steam yet

>>151495036
Get Endless Space.

>>151495036
Don't get Endless Space.

>>151495036
Get Distant Worlds.

>>151495036
Get Endless Space 2.

>>151495036
Get Sins of Solar Empire.

>>151495036
Get Master of Orion 2.

>>151495036
Get Swords of the Stars 1. Not the second.

>>151495036
Get Haegemonia.

>>151425858
Remove bug jew

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>>151496786
/gsg/ tier, you can do better lads

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>>151496953
Well, you could just get EO

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>>151497087
I'm not the guy who asked. In fact I'm the guy who told him to come here to ask.

>>151496293
>>151496147
played em, too much micro for me
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>>151495962
gonna look into these, what's so great about them?
>>151495256
>doomstacks
i kinda like this because i'm too shit to micro a whole space empire worth of ships, but i'm assuming stellaris isn't just about killing everyone
>bad AI, basic features
surely this will be fixed?
>only one human race
i mean phenotype or whatever. if i pick humans and human names, will the names work well?

>>151494376
Piece of shit? Hardly. Grindfest? Absolutely. I think the reason because /ddg/ died is the relatively small fanbase and the lack of new content. (How many times Town Events have been delayed?) It's fun to talk about meme parties and whatnot for a while, but once it's gets old...

>>151496293
Are you talking about the one developed by Digital Reality? Or is there another? If the former, I don't know how it well it aged but it was one of my favourite game back then. (Imperium Galactica 2 was still better but it's a close call.)

>>151480057
>Australia gets a leader
>Its an Abo.

I have an Endless Legend question, if someone here plays it.

Just won my test run game on Hard as Ardent Mages and am trying to get good and play, for starters, the Vaulters.

What are good starting strategies?

Are there any thresholds at which I should have X amount of cities?

Is science still the king?

Food or Production?

Are wonders worth it?

>>151498351
Keeping track of enemy factions and expanding toward them.

About 1 city per empire plan, preferably made directly after you set the plan so the cost doesn't go up.

Yes.

Production.

Yes.

Any Civs that you've always wanted but have never appeared?
I'd like to see Israel to be quite honest.

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>be chilling out in my empire research and chill
>suddenly fanatical purifiers declare war on me
>defend myself and protect my galaxy by wiping them out
>somehow I'M the bad guy

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I've lost my last two games. Let's see how this turns out.

>>151497684
Distant Worlds has an entire private economy system that really makes you feel like you're in charge of an empire.
And it has space pirates. Good one. And you can play as a pirate.

Sins of Solar Empire is a RTS. Pretty decent, but average.

Endless Space 2 is a gag. Not out yet.

>surely this will be fixed?
After 21 DLCs, yeah.

And no, the names and phenotypes are random.
I'd post that picture of an african guy named Tatotafékabossé Monoto, but I don't have it.

>>151498197
The Legion of Iron one.

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>>151499032
I hope Animal Husbandry reveals 4 sheep and 1 horse.

>>151500214
That's one shitty start if I ever saw one. I'd just reroll

>>151498986
Well obviously, if you do anything bad to anybody you're literally space Hitler.

>>151500214
>in the middle of the map
HAHAHAHA holy shit, roll for anal circumference, and roll wide.

>>151500214
>Mediterranean map
>no historical spawns

what's the point?

>>151500214
Did you just start in fucking Antioch

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>>151480057
>inb4 you guys get the ultimate memester

>>151500046
Yeah, that's the original. I can't believe it has been (first) released in 2k2. Makes me feel old as hell.

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>>151500214
M-Maybe Trapping will reveal Bison?

>>151500627
There's another?

>>151500989
>he started in fucking Antioch
I don't think there's anything worth having there.
>full on 20%-40% behind on score
Just reroll lad

If I conquer a capital how angry does everyone else get? It says everyone will be extremely upset. Does it pretty much make me not be friends with anyone again? In cbp civ 5 btw

>>151501093
Probably no, but that's what I wanted to figure out above. Haegemonia is not a that unique name and the base game is 14 years old, so who knows? Maybe some indie company made a similar one in the meantime.

Now that Anon confirmed he was talking about DR's game, it's all clear. Also, I remembered that one of those classic Hungarian (space) RTS got an iPad port lately, but it turned out it was Imperium Galactica 2.

>>151501330
Depends on your standing. If everyone loves you, than those warmonger penalties will fall off pretty quickly, assuming you stop capturing cities at some point.

>>151500989
build scout and then settler. You need to go wide to save this mess

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>>151500989
So, uh, yeah. One Bison and one Deer.

It's not THAT bad, right? For all I know there are two iron in range.

>>151501758
I went Authority and will get a free settler in... 133 turns... gods I hate Marathon.

>>151501992
>Authority
what mod?

>>151500046
turns out i did play distant worlds... not sure why i quit actually.

that sounds like an ok name for an african?

anyway i think it's kinda gay of them to force every alien species to be a multicultural union of phenotypes. why can't you play a fully native american planet for instance?

>>151501992
>that start
What's the point
Also Caveman 2 Cosmos for Civ VI w h e n ?

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>>151502059
Community Balance Patch. It basically the Honor tree.

>>151501992
>It's not THAT bad,
Lad that start is pure garbage

>>151502182
Because muh politically correct.

>>151502253
Nigga please. I know what I'm doing.

>>151502554
You're not me.

>>151501617
yeah on at least friendly terms with 4 other civs. Just have the capital left to capture.

I don't know how I feel about CBP taking away the need to specialize cities. There are no percent boosts to yields and you need to evenly distribute your yields across your cities to maximize your local happiness. It's completely the opposite of what the original game stressed.

>>151503435
Vanilla didn't specialize for shit either, outside of observatory giving slightly more science.

>>151503895
If you go tall and build everyshit you can in your cities you'll go bankrupt

>>151503435
yeah it's really annoying building gold producing stuff in cities on the front lines and military buildings in cities so fucking far away from your borders its irrelevant but it's more realistic I guess

>>151504001
I meant wide* fuck

>>151503895
Percent yields and national wonders = specialization.

CBP has no specialization. You simply build national wonders in your most populous cities and plop down great people next to cities with the lowest respective yield. If a city is illiterate then that's where you put your Academy.

In vanilla you need to specialize cities. "This is my produciton city and this is my science city". In CBP it's the opposite.

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>>151501992
This map is janked.

>>151504001
No you don't. I've had my super long vanilla game and "science" city had 2x more science at best versus a city not specializing in science at all. This is not specialization, much like UA giving some meager +1 bonus isn't unique nor ability.
>>151504176
>You simply build national wonders in your most populous cities
So just like vanilla?
>"This is my produciton city and this is my science city"
How come I have specialized, albeit not by yield but by their function, cities if CBP doesn't have any specialization?

>>151504675
put on your resources icons it looks sparse as fuck

So out of the civs already seen, Brazil is looking to be among the strongest, right?

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>>151505862
that's better. Can see what you're dealing with now.

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>>151489917
>tfw I dunno what happened to eastern orthodoxy

What does /4xg/ while playing long games? Watch any cartoons or Japanese animes?

>>151508724
>What does /4xg/ while playing long games
Use action verb, usually.

>>151508873
Get load of grammer nazi this.

>>151509135
Hi Yoda.

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>>151505862
>Japan to my South
>hostile Denmark on the coast of Anatolia making it too dangerous to settle on either the Mediterranean or the Black Sea
>Egypt beyond my reach hogging all the wonders
This game is not looking particularly promising, but if I stopped I probably wouldn't have the desire to start a new game.

Japan doesn't seem that threatening right now. I think I'll just expand as much as possible, stay off the coasts, focus on clearing barb camps, trying to get a CS ally, and eventually expanding into the heart of Anatolia to eventually conquer all of Denmark.

>>151508724
Brush up on my Shakespeare usually.

>>151508724
The only show I watch is Steven Universe Created By Rebecca Sugar.

>>151510009
off fuck

>page 10

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Influence is a stupid mechanic and feels dumb for colonization.

There should be more ways to generate it, at least.

Age of Empires 2 is bad. Star Wars Galactic Battleground is objectively better.
>monks are unlocked at T2 rather than T3
>they can actually fight
>you can build medic at T1 for very early harass
>aerial units
>shield that make it easier to defend

>>151496108
>>151496147
>>151496213
>>151496293
Memes aside, how are those games?

>>151516704
Meh at best.

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Persia just declared war on me, first actual conflict in the game. I have a decent navy and basically no army. Let's see how this goes

>>151517696
With an AI mod or not?

>>151517719
no AI mod, I'm not saying it's going to be hard. But at least mildly interesting.
and this general needs some content

Hey guys, how much research should I be producing 40 years into my Stellaris campaign? After losing my dream save I had to start over, and right now I'm producing around +43 in each research.

It feels terrible, like I should be doing better, and my constant energy/mineral woes are happening even without a large fleet.

Simply put, should I just start over? How do you determine if a start will be a good one? Part of me thinks the "dream save" was a fluke since I got dozens of "Moving Shadow" events that have me +6 to a tech, but the mineral/energy problems weren't also nearly this bad.

I really like Civ V's music, I've been listening to the themes I haven't heard often in game and pretty much every one of them are amazing. I really hope Civ VI has the same quality, have we heard any of the themes yet?

Like, I'm listening to Maria Theresa's War theme now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax-36kX8Hh4 , that 1:10-1:50 is fucking amazing, the rest of it is great too

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>>151517850
oops, well this war was short

Welp lads, I just activated all crisis' at once in Stellaris.
Wish me luck.

>>151518891
Holy shit.
Roll for anal circumference.

>>151518190
Science is not that important. Larger fleets are more important. Science will come in due time.

>>151518940
I haven't encountered robots yet, but scourge is terribly whimpy, and just like unbidden is quick to run out of steam.

>>151521357
will they attack each other?

>>151521959
Yeah, the Pythorians are fighting the Unbidden anyway. I think the unbidden are going to take it, given that they have unlimited ships forever. Pythorians have bigger fleets to start though. Who knows.

Kumo is cute.

>>151516589
What a shitty bait.

>>151516704
Sins of Solar Empire is a bit annoying, because the right click is used to give orders, AND it moves the camera around. That apart, it's a fairly standard RTS, but stockpiling ressources and moving fleets around is a bit slow.

Never played Master of Orion, heard it was shit.

Sword of the Stars is okay, it has several races that don't feel like reskins with different bonuses. And the ship creating screen is fun, even through taking care of supplies is a part in the ass and you run out of fuel very quickly.

Haegemonia is kinda fun, but it has no fog of war, so you have no clue about how far your units can see. I often captured the middle of the map and suddenly had bombardement ships attacking my capital. The research is also a bit weird because you start with a limited amount of research points instead of paying for them with money.

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>>151526935
>using land trade routes as Venice
>using land trade routes as anyone
>using land trade routes ever

>>151508220
Poles conquered Ethiopia.

What are the best weapons in Stellaris.


Also what government and species stuff should I get for science.

I can't make my mind up as to whether Scythia are strong or weak compared to what we have already seen.

Their ability to make two horse units at once looks incredible, especially since the changes to movement cost are a nerf to melee units. Aside from that, I'm not too sure.

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>>151531831

>Can shit out 2for1 SU horse archers without needing horses
>Can't make up my mind as to whether they're weak

I'd rather be stuck between the Zulu and the Huns

>>151532146
I wouldn't call the Huns "strong" - they're strong at early conquest, but the rest of the game they tend to fall behind.

I also don't know how useful the 2 for 1 cavalry stuff will be late game, but I guess it's clear that Scythia are going to be an early-mid faction like the Huns.

>>151532697
Late game literally doesn't matter for Scythia they're just an ungodly rush civ.
Hopefully you're so far ahead of everyone else from your rushing potential that it don't matter.

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Kumo didn't do nuffin wrong.

>>151494376
>>151494560
>>151494629
The thing is, Darkest Dungeon was pretty good during the early Early Access. They had a good formula going, where the two ways to do well were to either treat your units well, or treat them as disposable means to an end, with the first getting better results but requiring actual investment and learning how to do things right, avoiding or managing risks, with debuffs being a constant but manageable factor. It was fun.
Then they added more grinding. Then they buffed enemies and nerfed you guy's bonuses. Then they added more grinding. Then they put caps on just about every good Stat your guys could have, making bonuses to several stats pointless since most of it would evaporate and what remained wasn't enough to make a difference. Then they added even more grinding. Then, in the final dungeon, they abandoned the "hope/despair" duality present in the rest of the game, around which several major mechanics were based, and replaced it with a copy-pasted "ooh, everything is pointless and you suck" in an attempt to be Lovecraftian when it already WAS, and should have stuck with what made it unique in the first place.

>>151534078
The thing that pisses me off with Darkest Dungeons is the randomness.
That thing pisses me off everywhere, because I'm always the unluckiest when it comes to video games.
>Crusader Kings 2
>"Scottishes are very loyal, start with them"
>get a revolt in 2 months

>Jagged Alliance 2
>one shot from a mook go hit my medic in the head who was laying down on the other side of the map

>Darkest Dungeons
>my tank take a critical hit in the first round, and is killed immediately after
>team get wiped

>>151534360
Oh yeah, I forgot.
>Endless Space
>spawn in the middle of the map, between two others empires
>they're hostile and immediately declare war on me

>Stellaris
>election coming soon, thinking of using up all my influence into electing a scientist as the head of the state for research bonuses
>go send him check an anomaly with a 5% failure rate
>he dies and his ship assplode

I'm cursed to be unlucky in video games.

>>151436239
no rerolls, fags

>>151436239
Saving this thread, with several survivors.

>>151522652
>>151521357
>activate multiple crisis mod
>remove naval cap of 1000 so its almost unlimited
>scourge spawns
>end up fighting 10x 60k fleets one after another

Do crisis fleets for the scourge and Unbidden have fleep caps in the vanilla game? Because this shit is ridiculous.

>>151436505
is there a way that one may pirate this dlc?

so guys, I played Stellaris because I thought it would be interesting but it turned out to be pretty lackluster. I expected it to be more about micromanaging an empire, trading and all sorts of cool shit. but it's basically just hoard resources, build fleet, attack and repeat until you've won.

what is a good space 4x game that requires brain activity? good graphics, bad graphics turn based or realtime, I don't give a shit I just want that feeling again when I was learning how to play Dwarf Fortress and was constantly losing.

how is Distant Worlds compared to Stellaris?

>>151548685
Not from a Jedi.

>>151549613
what if i'm Sith?

>>151549525
It's like Stellaris with shitty graphisms but cool gameplay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvks6ub0eyA

>>151549968
Just unlock them in the common folder.

>>151550619
Wow he sounds about as excited to play Civ 4 as I did.

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>>151550854
how??

>>151550173
cool gameplay in what sense tho? is it deeper? does it have politics that actually matter? does it have trading that isn't just trade x for y? does it have combat that isn't just bigger fleet will win? does keeping an empire running require any micromanaging?

>>151551269
I already said it earlier in the thread.

>Distant Worlds has an entire private economy system that really makes you feel like you're in charge of an empire.
>And it has space pirates. Good ones. And you can play as a pirate.

I would need 3 full posts to explain why it's awesome so I'm keeping it short.

>>151551050
Open the Graphical Culture and the Species Classes textfiles, and it'll say something like: Playable=local has Plantoids DLC.

Just remove that bit, and they'll unlock.

You can unlock the preorder bonus this way too incidentally.

>>151551572
that's enough for me. sounds good and I'm getting that shit, thanks man

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>>151436239

>>151551634
>Open the Graphical Culture and the Species Classes textfiles

and those are located where?

>>151552001
Hang on, let me explain a little more.

Are you familiar with the Total War games, where buildings improve your town's economy, and depending from your taxation, you can get a percentage on that private economy?
Distant Worlds is the same, but with a twist : private sector will use your infrastructures and building to develop, and they will pay you for it. In other words, you will have a lot of private mining ships and freighters built at your spaceport (they don't count in the building queu), and YOU get money for it. In fact, it's pretty common to have 0% taxation, as the money you get from building these is pretty high.

Add to this that the research tree is a lot bigger (you can start a game without warp drive and you have to find it and research it, and each upgrade incrases how far you can travel), that the ship building system is a lot more complete but less of a pain compared to Star Ruler 2 where you build it hexagon per hexagon.
Add to this that Distant Worlds : Universe is actually the basic game with 2-3 expansions.
Add to this that ground combat is more than just numbers, you get to see the fights (through it's just icons shooting at each others).
And you can board ships.

HOWEVER : it's less diplomatically-oriented than Stellaris, and focuses more on developement and expansion. There are also less different armies (no xenomorph army for you), and it's 2D.

>>151495036
>is it any good?
not really
>what are some bad things about it?
you will have some fun to begin with, but it gets very tedious and boring late game due to 0 (zero) depth
>do human names match races so i don't get a black guy called lim wong?
you will get a black dude named Ching Ping and an asian named Mohammad Assad Faheem
>can i disable spics?
with mods, yes

>>151552001
AND, there are many things with Distant Worlds that are weird.
For example, the game starts completely automated, and will scare you if you try to turn the automaton off.

But you have to, otherwise the AI will override all your orders and you'll end up being just a spectator clicking on "okay" when asked to build ships.
There's also an editing mode (basically a cheat mode) that you can open any time. Don't give in.

It also doesn't explain much, and you have to figure out most of the stuff yourself.
For example, one of your first task must be to secure a fuel source. That means going to the ship design screen, checking what your ship use as fuel, find a planet with that gas, and build a gas mining station on it.
And I'm not sure, but I think ressources can run out (you can have them regenerating when you start a game, however).

And it's also a little depressing, the music is okay, but you never hear anyone talking, and all the information you get is dry. You never have the feeling you're talking to anyone.

>>151553031
>>151553585
ok, now I have an erection. I was going to pirate it, but now I'm just going to buy it.
also, I've already read the negative reviews on steam and the only negative thing people seem to say is "bad UI" which would probably be the case if DF was on steam (so all those reviews count as positive ones to me)

thanks m8

>>151552374
In the Stellaris common folder.

>>151554802
Also, you can play as a pirate faction.

Pirates don't start on a planet, they start with a moving building ship. Think of a mothership.
There are three playstyles for pirates :
-smuggler, who focus on extracting ressources and selling them to empires,
-balanced, who does everything,
-yarr (not the real name), who are more focused on raping and pillaging.
You're not restricted to a playstyle but you get advantage.

The basic idea of pirates is that they're bleeding money all the time, but unlike normal empires, they get money by boarding or destroying ships, so if you engage an enemy fleet, as long as you can inflict losses, you get money.
I don't really know how boarding work, but I also think that the pirate have regenerating boarding parties, while imperial crews need to be repleted.

Pirates can also gain influence on neutral planets and eventually build pirates bases on them to get a safe input of money.

The interesting thing is that pirates have different victory conditions than "normal" players, so it's theorically possible to have a pirate player cooperating with an imperial player, but I never tried Distant Worlds online, so I don't know for sure.
What I do know is that if I can even play online, I'm going to be the biggest pest and game disruptor you ever met.

>>151552374
Come on man, do we have to hold your dick while you do it too?

>>151555789
so wait, if you play as an empire can you buy shit from pirates?

>>151556254
Yeah, you can get them to supply you with a specific ressources, or you can pay them to defend one of your facilities.
Or to attack someone else's.

But it's a bid, it's not guaranteed, so the more pirate empires you have, the more likely someone will take on your offer.
Also, pirates are advantaged when the game starts, so the first communications you'll get will ALWAYS be "pay for our protection or die", and you better pay because they'll murder you.

>>151554802
Not the same anon who was giving an overview of Distant Worlds, but I did purchase it rather recently.
Its been great fun so far. I've got a game where I started as pre-warp humans in a huge 400 star cluster galaxy. Started right outside the territory range of a more advanced race of reptilian warrior Mortelans and it's been a roller coaster of a ride up to establishing myself as a player in inter-galactic affairs instead of being basically an uppity little shit of an independent world.
And that's just in the cluster of stars my Homeworld is in. Each cluster has almost been like its own continent with varied histories.

Now, I will say that this is my fourth game I've started, but also the longest I've stuck with. Getting discouraged by all the options and mechanics is definitely possible, it definitely almost happened with me.
Push through it, and maybe get a UI mod. Neatens things up a bit.

>>151556769
Distant World is the kind of game that is hard to start but even harder to quit once you started.
Last time I played it, I ended up playing an entire day.

Usually, my attention span is limited to 30 minutes.

>>151556683
>>151556769
this game just looks better and better

>Getting discouraged by all the options and mechanics is definitely possible
I remember the biggest fun factor in DF was losing only due to my own incompetence and then trying to learn from my mistakes
>maybe get a UI mod
I've been playing ascii DF for like 5 years now with no 3rd party plugins, I doubt the DW UI is so bad I'll have to download mods

>>151557692
Pleas report on your progress and how you like it.

>>151558116
will do m8, and thanks to both of you (or all of you)

>>151558489
There is me and >>151556769.

Yo speaking of UI mods for Distant Worlds, I've seen one that makes private sector ship icons tiny compared to State sector ships. Cleans up a lot of clutter. Anyone have a link? I haven't been able to find it. Just DasUI.

>>151488992
Besides the other suggestions people have made you can always try liberating and then vassalizing them piece by piece.

>>151551634
wait the plants were already available? Like from the base game? like the other dlc? So they haven't been working on shit then?

>>151561697
well I just checked my graphical_cultural file and no mention of plantoids so I'm assuming it's only there from the latest patch.
>tfw no patch for pirates

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>>151505862
UPDATE

It's going well enough I think. Turns out Japan was the trouble maker instead of Denmark. He DOWd me. I have 3 CS allies now (equating to 12% combat bonus) as well as a full Authority tree. I'm demolishing him.

My Religion game is coming along well. I get like 120 faith from every kill thanks to my Pantheon. I've spread my reformed religion to all my cities and am about to spread it beyond.

I just hope I don't fall behind in techs. I want to keep expanding into all that space between my nation and my Japanese conquests, but that might come back to bight me if I end up an era behind my neighbors.

>>151564763
>bight

>>151564763
Everyone has a lot of cities

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well happy poland has wiped out ethiopia and taken their capital. Finally I have surpassed venice in score. I feel a conflict with Venice is inevitable which is a shame as we have been friends since the beginning.

>>151569749
wew especially now since venice captured moroccan capital and wiped them out.

>>151569419
It's a big map.

>>151570529
4u

>>151508220
>>151569749
Is it generally worth it to keep both religions now that I'm founder of two? Or should I remove eastern orthodoxy completely? What are the pros/cons of keeping both?

>>151562580
torrenting is kind of dead this days isnt it, feels bad man

>page 10

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benis

>>151570996
Even if you have two Holy cities you can only benefit from one fully. No particular benefits in keeping both.

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>>151526935
Turns out this spot is pretty comfy, although I got spawned on a sucker continent. All other relevant civs are on other side of the globe: wonder whoring Catherine, warmonger Harold, commie Casimir.

>page 10
Hol' up

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>>151576967
>png

>>151576242
Yeah fuck eastern orthodoxy. Pantera is absolute!

wew why is this thread so dead. I thought you faggots did nothing but shitpost friday night

>>151582259
I guess everyone went to bed

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>>151582259
It's not friday here anymore.

>>151582259
Was shitposting part of your plan?

>>151576967
That's pretty good culture and faith you have there. Your science is trash though

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>>151582724
yeah its sat for me too just assumed most people here were burgers

Maybe everyone is out for a night on the town.
ahaaa yeah right

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>paying 8 bucks for some new shitty portraits and ships
>when you can simply edit a couple of files and get it for free

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>>151579526
>Hol up, we dem boyz
>Hol up, hol up, hol up
>We makin' noise
>Hol up

>>151586346
It reminds me when BioShock 2 got released with a DLC on the disc by default, and you still had to like 5 bucks to unlock it.

>>151586346
ya paradox didn't really think this through it seems....

>>151586346
it's just like payday!

>>151586516
But Bioshock didn't make it literally a single line of text to comment out right?

>>151586516
I'm actually a Bioshock fan and I didn't even know that Bioshock 2 had dlc to be honest

>play endless legend
>be cult
>have twileks down to one city
>expect to get huge resources to leave them alone, I need it, I'm the cult
>refuses to give me anything for truce
>check patch notes
>"Higher difficulty AI will be less cooperative in diplomacy."
Fuck you amplitude, you can't even trade for resources anymore.

I bet the wankers have abandoned it for ES2 and it'll never get fixed. Hopefully since it came in with shifters I can just turn off the addon and get some sanity back.

>>151588056
Could you mod that out, perhaps?

I'm totally unaware of how much control mods have over gameplay so bear that in mind if I come off like a fucking moron

>>151588056
>I bet the wankers have abandoned it for ES2
I don't think so, AFAIK they're still updating EL. IIRC even Shifters is a pretty recent DLC

>>151587843
It was a multiplayer one, new characters, extra trials, weapon upgrades and higher rank cap.

>>151587603
Nope, it required an unlock code. I can't recall if you were able to bypass it through editing files.

>>151588194
I hope so. I haven't played for a while and there have been patches since so I worry that they want it that way. I know they implemented this because before the AI would fixate on one resource and give you everything for it but now they won't even take 5k dust for 30 dye.

>>151588136
I probably could, but I have a billion other things in the queue first, you know? This is supposed to be my relax time, really ruined my "war is diplomacy by other means" run.

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>>151588056
>play endless legend
>it's shit
>alt+f4
>uninstall
>feel better

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>ywn hoon around with your knight and pikemen bros

Playing Stellaris on Hard but with low AI agressiveness seems bearable. Let's see how long can I keep my fanatic xenophile antics.

>>151436239
rolling

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>random everything except map size
>venice
>in the middle of a continent
>no sea access
Ay caramba.

DUDE FREE PLANTS LMAO

>>151595036
Is this related to 4x by any means or did you post this to just bump? If it's related I want to know which game

how do download Stellaris from the archive?

>>151436239
roll

>>151436239
Rolling

Am l the only one who doen't care about victory conditions in Stellaris? it'd be really cool to have a victory condition that wasn't "BUILD A TRILLION OF COLONY SHIPS AND SEND THEM EVERYWHERE" but l really find those planet modifiers to be really cute, specifically wandering forests and stone age primitives, l dunno, l just the game had more stuff like this and some valid internal crisis once in a while.

>>151601591
>Am l the only one who doen't care about victory conditions in Stellaris?
I think most people don't, since it's designed less like a traditional 4x and more like a gs game as far as progression goes. The goal really isn't a goal, it's just something that ends the game. In most of Paradox's games the only thing that ends the game is a time limit that ends a specific era of human history, Stellaris doesn't have that.

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>>151425858
LIVE!

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Something something glitches.

Age of Empires III is good.

5 and a half weeks until Civ VI. Think I'm more hyped for Sean Bean narrating than anything else.

>>151605236
My budget is already going to Mankind Divided, probably.

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IT"S HAPPENING
Endless Space 2 early access August 30!
Tons of new updates on wiki!

https://youtu.be/-4rgswnjpZg

https://youtu.be/5R0G_RZykVA

http://wiki.endless-space.com/academy

http://wiki.endless-space.com/minor-factions

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>>151605393
>early access
And they got bought by SEGA a while ago, yes? I don't know about you guys but this simply goes to the trash for me

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>>151605491
>I don't know about you guys but this simply goes to the trash for me
Nigga, are you just now learning about Amplitude and their Games2gether thing? They did early access for Endless Space 1 before Steam even had early access. Then they did it for Dungeon of the Endless and Endless Legend.

All three games turned out fine.

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OH SHIT IT BEGINS.

>>151605736
I thought this was one of the screenshots with Eiffel rushing Eiffel tower again. This one is accurate too I guess

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>>151605847
Wait that's the wrong screenshot, oops.

>>151605491
Compared to Chucklefish or EA, Sega is okay.

They made Sonic, after all. People who gotta go fast can't be bad.

>>151605223
But shallow compared to Age of Empires 2.

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>Hissho hero in ES2
They're literally teasing us with crumbs.

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>>151606378
>They mad Sonic, after all. People who gotta go fast can't be bad.

>>151606378
sega is weird. they're awful at managing their own brands, but not so bad at managing others.

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>>151605393
>Sophons blew up their own moon on accicdent

Captcha, what the fuck is this.

>>151608212
Muh neolithic pictographs

In Stellaris, I got bored of playing a Star Trek Federation type species so now I'm playing as space Hitler.

Is there an easy way to locate all my alien populations so I can genocide them? I've lost track of them now that my empire has gotten so huge.

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>>151551634
Hahahaha how did they fuck that one up so bad?

>Pls buy our 8$ dlc that you could alternatively have for free if you edit two text files.

>>151436239
sure ok

>>151598618
just a random bump mate. Sorry to get your hopes up

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>>151605909
>barbarian settler

>>151608023
Okay, bad example, because everything that came after Sonic & Knuckles was bad.

>>151610116
A civ's settler stolen by a barb

>>151610694
ah, that's gotta hurt

>>151609459
That's basically all Paradox games. Technically you could unlock all of the DLCs just by downloading them and extracting them into the folder, then manually editing the files to ignore DLC. It's just that graphic DLC literally only touch two or three files.

>our trade relations have been fair and forthright
I love how the AI thinks that me giving it 12k money and silver luxury for free is considered 'fair and forthright' but you literally never get this modifier with normal trade deals no matter how little you ask of them.

>>151612624
Yeah I did that with CK2, but even then I had to download it, it wasn't as easy as this was.

>>151612624
With enough effort any game can be cracked, so at this point paying money for games is just willingly supporting developers. That said, no way I'm paying for this shit.

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>>151613040
That's because CK2 didn't literally ship with the content. Actually it makes this even more fucking hilarious, manhours my ass

>>151613124
>RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE
I'll never stop getting angered by that.

>>151613124
>manmonths
What kind of autistic measurement of work is this

>>151588056

devs said they're not done with EL

>play Stellaris
>pick up old save
>pacifist hippies wedged into a corner of space
>no room to expand
>lots of nice desert planets my people would thrive on, though
>but I don't have the tech
>play out a war as the minor partner of an incompetent AI that only gives me one planet, while taking 4 for himself
>constantly picking shitty, low-research options in order to get a new draw from the deck
>try to border-grab a system that provides access to a system I can colonize
>fail
>in the meantime see all colony techs except desert roll around
>remembers me of when the game was just out, and I spent ages waiting for power techs to drop while playing militaristic space Nazis
>by chance discover a Gaia planet on the edge of my feasible range
>on the border of a friendly people who's only reason for not joining my alliance is "not diplomatically relevant"
>immediately send out colony ship
>JUST before it gets there, these aliens colonize it
>motherfucker
>To top it all off, the ONE discontent pop in my ENTIRE FUCKING EMPIRE manages to win the elections
>his mandate is for one of my best planets to secede
>on which he is the only discontent pop, because he's a rabid xenophobe from the large empire next to me, with whom I have a migration treaty
>WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN DOING HERE YOU CUNT?
>in this entire shitshow, I find one positive note: Arrakis
>look at the planet
>decent desert planet
>huh
>the button for colonizing
>it's not greyed out
>I HAD DESERT COLONIZATION TECH ALL THIS FUCKING TIME

I've never felt this combination of pissed off and stupid before. I must have researched it right before I put the game done, and just straight up forgot about it. The thought even crossed my mind of wanting to see which techs I had researched, and which I didn't. But there's no such option, as far as I'm aware.

But really, for cases like this just a little UI tweak would be good. Right now you can only see if you have the tech if you go to click on the button.

>>151615940
>But really, for cases like this just a little UI tweak would be good. Right now you can only see if you have the tech if you go to click on the button.
You can hover over the planet icon. It will write reasons why you can't colonize, and none would mean you can.

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>>151615940
You are quite the fool

>>151616610
I know. That doesn't make me any less angry.

Tha fucking cunt winning the elections makes me want to go play a purge-happy empire again.

>>151616563
Yeah, I guess I just tuned that out. I have a lot of different species in my empire, so half of the available planets show green in my UI.

>>151617104
Green is habitability. Why did you turn it off, it's useful still. You can colonize with xenos. Lack of tech should turn them grey-ish, but I can't tell them apart still.

Tooltip is helpful to remember which planets are locked out.

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>>151613124
I love how he says "ships, stations, etc." to imply that there is more than ships, stations and portraits.
>RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE
How do you even end up with something like that? Is Paradox to much of a collective pussy to handle when someone disagrees with them the normal way?

>>151617391
When the rating system was first introduced it was just Agree and Disagree.

WHY DOES IT ALWAYS CRASH ONE TURN BEFORE THE AUTOSAVE

>>151618086
Because fuck you mortal.

>>151617247
I didn't turn it off, I meant I tuned it out mentally. When I look at the map, I see a sea of green planets, most of which I can't actually colonize. So I didn't look at the tooltips for all those individual planets, but rather fell back on the assumption that I couldn't colonize them.

A wrong assumption, as it turned out. All that other shit didn't help, either. I spawned in a really shitty spot, and inward expansion is my only way to go. The one advantage to being a peacenick multiculturalist is that building up individual planets goes ridiculously quickly.