/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

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lmao, 2meme

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>>151723741

>>151710585
>>151717064
>>151711739
Sorry, you guys don't seem to understand. They are randomly generated, but you can look at these to figure out what repeats itself.
Size for titans FBs and demons is always the same. Vampirism is always the same.

And pertinent to the convo that was responded to, everything about zombies is always the same, except for the 20%/60%/100% speed.

Does swimming still raise your stats in adventure mode?

>>151724292
Yes.

Its a pretty slow way to do it tho

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Roughly ten years ago a were beast bit and infected a couple of people, among them a kid. I put them in this quarantine and for some reason on the first moon they started fighting among each other and only the kid and the now berserking dwarf are alive.
I've read that the berserker will attack anyone on sight and that he is now accounted as an enemy of my civ. Although he and the kid shouldn't fight while in the weremouse mode, why didn't he attack the kid in the past 10 years? Will he attack the kid once it grows up? Neither of them move around that little space at all, and it's quite possible that they haven't even seen each other since he went berserk (strange mood related).

I didn't even care about those two until I had the idea to make that kid strip mine by itself when it grows up, but the pick is next to that berserking miner, so I can\'t even guess what will happen if I enable him mining once he grows up. Should I dump him some steel armor so he can kill the berserker one day?

>>151724385
>all that kaolinite
Can't see your porcelain industry, anon.

>>151724462
I've dug deep, but I've lost the greedy part. I have only one magma kiln for that stuff and I use it for porcelains statues and oil jugs, nothing else. I make iffy forts, but my management of idling dwarves is atrocious.

>>151724385
The wiki CLAIMS people will not attack werebeast kids and that they're neutral.

>>151724591
But not even went they are berserking?

>>151724354
What's a better way then?

>>151724783

wrestle an armadillo

>>151724845
Alright thanks

>>151724783
Get full armor and a shield, cut the legs off a zombie and move side to side at minimum speed a bajillion times. Super fast and easy.

>>151724385
This is some shit

>dumped in a hole for 10 years
>the ravenous man who killed everyone you knew stands in a corner
>staring at a wall
>soon, you will come of age
>soon, he will notice you
>you will have to kill him, or he will kill you
>this is the only life you have ever known

>>151725020
The kid has been playing make belief since it was a baby. The only world it has ever known was the one it created. That's some tough ass shit. I wish the miner didn't go crazy, otherwise I'd have them train for all eternity.

>>151723969
Wrote a shitty raw parser that read all the files and looked for certain tags.

Out of 867 randomly generated beasts:
603 (70 %) had a syndrome tag
123 (14 %) were webbers
43 (5 %) had an undirected dust attack (all of these also had a syndrome)

The most common materials were:
unspecified/flesh? 602 (69.4 %)
water 61 (7.0 %)
salt 28 (3.2 %)
mud 20 (2.3 %)
ash 19 (2.2 %)
grime 17 (2.0 %)
fire 15 (1.7 %)
vomit 13 (1.5 %)
amber 10 (1.2 %)
coral 8 (0.9 %)

Various inorganic materials including steel, brass and diamond were around 0.1%-0.2%, though this sample size is obviously not large enough to get good numbers on those.

I write UIs for telemetry monitoring and analysis tools at work. Kind of tempted to make a UI for analyzing DF now.

>>151725298
>coral is a material in the game
>the animals themselves are not

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>>151724591
Well, I know werebeast kids attack me, and attack others who aren't changed.

>>151725298
Check out the dfhack lua api's and c++ plugin links and see what you can hook into, AV has a lot of stuff you might find interesting too.

I'm getting an itch to play DF again.
Is the starter pack/lazy newb pack up to date with a working Rapist and DFhack?

>>151725298
>I write UIs for telemetry monitoring and analysis tools at work. Kind of tempted to make a UI for analyzing DF now.
I'd love this on Linux.

>>151725629
The changeover to 64 bit is making dfhack take a while since a lot of it has to be reworked due to the new compiler and such on top of the actual bitness changes.

>>151726065
>inb4 someone posts that shitty "64 bit graphics" comic

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>>151726181
I would but don't know which one you mean, so have a little mantis I was laughing at the other day because she kept looking around, seeing my eyes, and beelining up my arm to come kick my ass I guess?

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Why does this town have a problem with dwarfs named Zefon stealing their people?
How do I go about finding either Zefon?

>>151729240
He's a babysnatcher.

No, you can't really bring the kids home, although you could rescue them and bring them somewhere safe without creating a shit storm.

Legends Viewer is easiest.

>>151729402
Why are they both called Zefon tho

>>151729547
rng

>>151729240
Try checking the tell a story > site > filter > zefon and see if you can track down hints there?

>>151729402
>you can't really bring the kids home
But you can, assuming you know exactly where their parents are(which can be hard if they live in a big town and aren't nobelty/clergy. thankfully, nearly all rescued children belong to either nobles or high priests, so they're easy to save).

>>151730231
You can, but they go berserk.

>>151730278
Since when? I remember saving lots of kiddos in the 0.40 versions. Did the tavern release fuck this up?

>>151730428
Parents greet them warmly, are all happy and run towards the kids, and then the shanking starts while I wtf all over the place.

>>151728585
>beelining up my arm to come kick my ass I guess?
Oh yee of little faith.
Likely you were the first Titan it saw that didn't ignore it, or try to attack it.
It saw you as a benevolent god, and came to petition for your patronage for all his kind, that they may build a better future, and erect a civilization in your honour as you protect them from the vileness of the other Titans.

You passed up your chance to be Prometheus.

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Hey guys. Haven't played in a while and I just downloaded the latest build. Any one have an idea of when dwarf therapist still be working? The game is about impossibly tedious without it.
I hate

>>151731483
never

>>151730428
I have zero clue. I have only rescued kiddooos in the current version.

If you wanna rescue kiddoos, just bring em somewhere safe, tell them to wait somewhere safe, and cancel the agreement. Then they'll be somewhere that they won't be goblinized, and later if it gets fixed you can rescue them for reals.

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>>151730875

>>151731460
Well I had picked her up the day before, this time I brought her in to show the missus, and it was damn amusing that she would look around at the room some, then make eye contact and rush up my arms. Gonna have to let her get all the way up to me I guess, see what she does.

>>151731483
just in time for the next big DF update to come out and be incompatible

>The game is about impossibly tedious without it.
it's not that bad

How do i get people to join my if their "duty is here"

>>151731881
kill everyone else in the town

>>151731792
>the lady embraces the child
>the lady draws the bronze slicing knife
Shh, no more tears. Only dreams now.

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>>151732493
I got a stranger to adopt the rest of the kids, figured maaaaybe it was just THAT kid at first.

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In the seven years I've been playing, I haven't really thought about it, but just now it struck me how extremely obsolete the bay12 main page looks. I kinda like it, though.

I'm tempted to go back to Masterwork just because of what I read about it having weapons made of fire that can set foes ablaze.

>>151732958
I'm not sure if that's a raw thing or a dfhack thing, but you should still be able to take it from mastershit and put into an otherwise clean game. There is no need to go full Dark Days Ahead with the bloat.

>>151733173
The modern version of Masterwork is massively less popular than the old version precisely because it cut out most bloat, now most of the stuff is perfectly reasonable.

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Rate my world

>>151733883
looks nice.

of course the best worlds tend to be aesthetically displeasing globs of glaciers and volcanos touching

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>>151732843
I really enjoy browsing old school web sites. Modern ones are laggy, and overdesigned.

>>151731839
It's just tedious and eventually I get a bunch of dwarves with a million jobs.

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>>151734015
Yup.

>>151735198
understandable I guess, but my MO is to limit pop to 85 or so, 30-40 of which are full-time militia members
it's mostly for FPS reasons but it means labours are easy to manage too

Could the issue of Dark Fortresses being slow as fuck be partially a relative speed issue?

I've noticed if I'm moving at max speed the issue is a lot less noticeable.

>>151736307
It is. Basically, the speed loss is from waiting for all other loaded npcs to make their moves. If you're faster than them, you won't notice it.

>>151736307
>>151736649
Also, maybe you've noticed that the animated arrows move just as fast when the game slows down.

I personally suspect that dark fortress lag isn't really caused by performance issues, but rather by the game waiting for the visual presentation of each move every NPC makes.

>>151736307
Yes, being a vampire is basically a requirement both for that and to find jack shit. Night also makes it much easier.

If Toady made wider hallways and rampways it would be fine.

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>tfw you gave oomans GEN_DIVINE in order to make them even more random and exotic
I still can't believe that it actually worked, though.

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So... Why is there a giant elephant stuck in a tree?

Look on the right.

>>151741682
probably saw a mouse

>>151741682
that's a mighty strong tree

Ok guys. Relatively new to fort mode, but long time fan of the game. Any particular *FUN* I should try first?

>>151742262
Yes, I endorse going into inorganic_sand_soil and delete everything that doesn't have the sand or clay keywords, except for the ocean stuff, so you can play with glass, if you haven't yet. Glass is amazing

>>151742361
How can I work with glass without editing anything? I prefer to keep the world intact for the time being.

>>151743095
find some sand, it's not that uncommon and only really awesome if you have a magma glass workshop imo

>>151743095
Well, you would use an adventurer to scout out places with sand then or whatever.

>>151741879
Underrated post.

How do I cage trap? I've got a kitty tied in a tunnel with a trap in front of him, yet the giant cave spider just goes by paying no mind.

I actually want crocodiles but I wouldn't mind a spider either.

>>151745264

going by it or going on it?

>>151734105
I agree wholeheartedly.
So does this guy: http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm

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Holy shit you can design your fortress' symbol now?

this is next gen as fuck

Whoa, another Goblin siege.

Faster than I expected. I barely cleaned up armor and weapons from last battlefiend and still some stuff lying there.

>>151748108

That guy's issues are kinda retarded from reading the first few paragraphs, a page with a spattering of images is going to be over 1mb even after accounting for page styling including headers and such (wouldn't really count those because they'd be cached).

I'd say the problem he's referring to there stems mostly from ads.

>>151746512
It passed near it and completely ignored the kitty. Right now there are a few naked mole dogs there, I got one but apparently the others are just standing by and chilling with the kitty for some reason.

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>>151748127
it's pretty neat

>>151749409
I always imagine that "menacing pose" means flexing. I can't possibly imagine how a block would do that, though.

>>151749565
you're right, it wasn't a totally serious attempt
if there was a "the blocks are really fucking big and impressive looking" option, I'd have gone for that

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I knew this would happen and sent them in anyway. Time to abandon and resettle. I hope "Ner" invades again.

>>151748108
Thanks for the read

>>151748817
He gets to that later in the article

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>>151749742
>if there was a "the blocks are really fucking big and impressive looking" option, I'd have gone for that
Tell me more about the "really fucking big and impressive looking blocks" you drew in your video game, Anon.

>>151750242
You didn't have any steel to fight it with?

>>151750438
they're, uh, strong, and stiff
oh god

>>151750527

Holy shit the guy was using silver warhammers and couldn't chink it's skin. How terrifying

>>151750776
Cause steel trumps silver.

>>151750776
huge monsters made of metal are no joke. even bronze or iron things can be a huge problem if your dwarves are having to deal with dust or gas or webs at the same time

>>151750527
I was still importing enough steel for production. I quadruple(gold furniture for all) my wealth to obtain more goblinite but this came first. I chose not to trap it in a corner somewhere.

>>151751206
You didn't have the resources to self produce steel?

>>151751328
not him but about 90% of the forts I play don't have iron, it's a pretty common "problem" (and by problem I mean choice)

So do you still need to do your homework with legends viewer and pick the most dumb spots to get goblin sieges or something

>>151751328
No iron on the map. Plenty of Flux though. Hence the importing.

>>151751784

PROTIP: Gobbos have purple pi symbols that represent dark fortresses

you can literally get sieges and ambushes on DAY FUCKING ONE if your fort is in the right spot

>>151751784
not nearly as much. if you're reasonably close to a populated goblin site, you'll get attacked
if the goblin sites are empty or you embark on an island or something, you'll still be immune

but embarking RIGHT next to a dark fort now seems only necessary if you want tons and tons of sieges

>>151752028
I like the idea of a fort that is positioned so that it will protect NPC sites from sieges esp since verifiably even a defeated siege doing a march of shame back to base will trigger a new siege if it stumbles upon your fort

First time I see goblin recruit as invader. It feel like they running out of troops to trow at me.

>>151752158
>since verifiably even a defeated siege doing a march of shame back to base will trigger a new siege if it stumbles upon your fort
neat, haven't heard of that before, although it makes sense considering I've had "siege" announcements before when necros were clearly just passing by
I guess how well that would work depends a lot on the size of your embark space
will the goblins who stumble upon you actually attack? or will they just try to walk home

>>151752349
As far as I know they have normal siege AI. But then again I didn't give them the opportunity.

>>151751860
>>151751660
I guess i'm a mega noob cause I can't really play without local iron sources.

rimworld is fun but im disappointed that it's only 2d

>>151753237
3d too complicated for casuals

>>151753159
Do you just fucking abandon if you don't find iron or something

wait

you don't use that prospect shit do you

Is there way to make my military hold defensive formation, without anybody wandering off and charging enemy?

>>151751660
>90% of the forts I play don't have iron
I think it's silly that iron is rarer than copper. In real life it's the other way around. It took steel equipment so long to surpass bronze equipment because it is much harder to produce, smith, and maintain, not because it's rare.

>>151753437
Yeah I use prospect to check ores when I embark.
Its cheesy but I'm not that good at the game.

>>151753753
you're a bitch desu.

Part of the fun in the game is watching your copper-clad militia led by the commander who has slightly better equipment get shit on by gobbos

And then it doesn't even matter once your militia reaches legendary skill levels because they just go for the neck and, I don't fucking know, crush throats with their bare hands and spear shafts

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>>151753931

>>151753753
Watch out, >>151753931 had his feelings hurt!

Avoiding the wasting of time is a noble aspiration. As you can have an unbeatable and impregnable fort fort with stone mechanisms, wooden cages, and plump helmets, there is no use whatsoever whining at people who want more features on their embark site.

>>151754160
I bet you also wall off the caverns and your fort entrance

baby back bitch

>>151754238
might as well use dfhack to give yourself a shitload of steel

>>151754303
Neither of those people are me.
When I say I suck at the game I mean I usually lose by gobbo invasion even with steel.
Because I get complacent and forget to start my military then gobbo's destroy me.

>>151754303
if only the game had rules governing the frequency of minerals and their appearance

if only the game had rules governing the smelting of steel into a usable form

if only E-peen size mattered in DF

>>151754449
this is one of the reasons why not having iron on-site isn't such a big deal. long-term it's great, sure, but chances are you're going to want at least 5-6 militia members equipped with something and training before you get your steel industry set up. a bunch of guys wearing clothes with copper breastplates and helmets, wooden shields, and shitty spears and hammers will go a long way to fending off early attacks (werebeasts), and then will be legendary-skill warriors by the time you start cranking out yoru final steel/bronze/candy/whatever goods

>>151754885
I usually end up spending too much time getting my farms, food storage, and smithing compound set up, completely neglecting defense plans and military formation.
I think I procrastinate military subconsciously because the military interface is a pain in the ass.

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>>151755205
you could try embarking with a dwarf who has some combat skills, bringing a copper weapon and a copper helm, getting your carpenter to build an armor stand and a shield the second you have a tree cut down, putting the dwarf in a squad and having them train full-time just outside your entrance

means slower hauling but that one dwarf will handle a lot on their own if you get them training immediately

Siege was stronger than last time, but even with better positioning of my troops (even if I had some screw ups), battle went much better. Without any casualties on my side.

>>151755598
Don't get your hopes up, Anon. Giants might actually be the most pathetic semimegas there are. Your militia will kill her with less than 10 strikes.

>>151756307
It was pretty underwhelming. A human pikeman visitor stabbed her in the legs and left her lying there for my dwarves to finish off. I wish I could have saved her and civilized her :(

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>>151756307

I've had a crundle kill a giant before.

>>151756307
>>151755598
is there a way to recruit befriend or calm down giants etc?

>>151756670
no
you can make them crazier though
one time I caught about 4 ettins in cage traps (2 male, 2 female) and gave them a big, walled-off, open area to play around in underground. thought I might get some hilarious ettin babies out of it

they went insane and killed each other

>>151756670
you can throw 2 in a pit and make them fuck

>>151756809
Should have tried chaining them up next to each other instead.

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post awkward/campy bay12 champions

>>151757610
I imagine they'd still go insane, I guess that might keep them from killing each other though
have you tried this?

Again dorf kid plays in battlefield.

She must enjoy her parents work.

>>151757901
Nope. Never even had the chance.

I've heard that animals can breed when chained up next to each other, though.

How do I cure my fort's obsession with Giant Peregrine Falcons

First thing what my vampire dwarf queen did after released from prison is drain another unlucky dwarf.

I think my dorf civilisation have problem with it's ruler.

>>151757938
>Kid runs outside with her pet puppy
>Battle of Minas Tirith going on around her
>Lolth level entity laying waste to valiant soldiers fighting to the last men
>Kid throws stick for puppy to fetch
>Stick flies into Lolth level entity's eye, critically piercing the eye, lodging in the brain and killing it

Is this possible?
If not, I'd say DF will be feature complete when Toady makes it possible.

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>>151758341
It could be worse.

>>151758381
maybe in 2030 lad

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>not killing all the noblemen

shaking my head

>>151758569
>even having noblemen that need killing

Befitting a niggerposter, I bet you're also an elf

>>151758381
Kid is doing it after battle, when battlefield is full for corpses and loot.

>>151758680

who needs noblemen with their sensitive hands who dont do anything

>>151756307
Giants are the strongest semimegas. All semimegas are weak though, so that doesn't say much. Minotaurs are by far the weakest, they're nearly 1/3rd the size of a cow.

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>>151758381
>kid running outside into a siege with pet trailing behind
Totally possible

>massive beast wrecking shit
See the giant steel toad a few posts up? They actually get worse at times.

>kid throws stick, boom, headshot
The AI doesn't throw items, has to be a firing option in a weapon or an interaction for them to use ranged attacks.

>>151759025
I had to read that twice.
I could have sworn you said giants are the worst smegmas.

>>151759025
Giants pass out from pain, and only have one head, and are just big.

Ettins are harder to kill than anything but a Hydra.

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guys, am I just retarded? Every time I queue a still to extract from a plant, it says we have none. But I have plump seed spawn sitting around. I also have cave wheat too. What do I need to do in order to get this still to start producing?

>>151759315
Ettins pass out from pain too, an extra head doesn't stop that. They're 1mil volume smaller than giants, which makes them objectively weaker.
Hydras aren't semimegas.

>>151758569
>>151758680
>>151758864
My noblemen (duke and elf mayor) are actually useful, have reasonable demands, and actually doing some work.
Not sure about that vampire queen. She was typical civilian (minus vampire thing) and she become queen already chained in jail and I will see if she work or not, since I need every pair of hands I can to clean up mess after siege I decided to not to jail her for murder for now.

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>>151759858
>elf mayor

Vampire Bard just sucked someone's blood in a full tavern. 98 witnesses. What a dummy!

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>>151758381
mostly unrelated, but this mountain titan killed 56 of my 60 dwarves in an old fort
this kid was the first civilian dwarf it attacked, when he was hanging around in the meeting area playing make believe
and the kid was one of the survivors

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>>151760524
>>151759858

>not purging all nobles from your world

Transient guests are they

>>151760524
Not my fault other choose him. And he is not doing any Elf shit so I let him stay this way.

>>151760620
Mine vampires are doing it in mass bedroom and always gets tons of witnesses.

>>151760620
Its time to make him bleed into a well so you can share it

>>151762317
Are there any downsides in having vampire fort?

>>151759816
They've got nostun.

>>151762141
You can replace the mayor with the dwarf of your choosing whenever you like.

>>151763098

Everything will probably slow down from noboozelol

>>151759376
send help

>>151763237
Can't you use tavern keepers to force feed your vamps with booze?

>>151759376
what are you trying to produce?
if it's booze you want, the job task is "brew drink from plant"

also, plump helmet spawn are seeds, not fruit. you can't brew them, you plant them

>>151763446

I dunno I don't have a tavern, I like my dwarves doing shit, if you delete your taven the production loss from speed would probably balance itself out

>>151763762
There is no production loss from taverns, they prioritize literally everything else above dicking around. I had a cook producing lavish meals on repeat, and he ended up getting distracted because he didn't have anytime to pray or socialize. And it was just a normal order, I didn't tell him to do it now or anything.

>>151763762
b-but having a room full of 50+ visitors for Hijinx and Shenanigans...

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>>151765092

I only let visitors come when there's a siege to break.

>>151765214
DEVILISH

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>>151763706
Ah, I see, thank you anon

. After I grew some plump helmets, I was able to brew a drink. However, I apparently have a bunch of miasma in my farm area? Does this happen if no one gathers the produce? How do I guarantee the produce is gathered and used in time?

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>>151765326
moms gonna freak

>>151765328
>Does this happen if no one gathers the produce?
yep, any rotten food (or bodies) cause miasma if they're underground

>How do I guarantee the produce is gathered and used in time?
the issue is probably not having enough stockpile space, so check your food stockpile (maybe make a few - I like to have separate stockpiles for brewable stuff, booze, meat, cooked meals, etc.) and also make sure that you have plenty of spare barrels and pots
if that doesn't solve the problem, take a look at what your farmer is doing. if he has more labours than just farming (fields), you might want to turn them off

as a last resort, you can go to the standing [o]rders page, and turn on "all [h]arvest"
this isn't ideal as each plant harvested increases the farming skill a little bit and it's nice to concentrate all of that skill on 1 farmer, but if things are about to rot on the vine, using it temporarily it could save you

>>151765819
Thank you anon, you called it! My stockpile was full and so the pump helmets rotted. Apparently they could still be used to brew though.

>>151766452
>the pump helmets rotted
Feels miasa man

>>151766880
>Urist felt stressed after seeing a plump helmet rot

>>151763762
This:
>>151764194

Green leisure activities will be interrupted by ANY real jobs. If all your dwarves hang out in the tavern constantly, it's because you've failed to give them anything meaningful to do.

>>151767130

I haven't had a tavern since they first came out because my doctor would dick around listening to stories instead of stitching people up.

>>151767290
He probably didn't have all the required healthcare labours. That, or his leisure activities were just purple. That happens too.

In any case, having proper taverns, libraries and temples means that your dwarves can actually have lives of their own, rather than just being worker ants in some spartanic shithole.

>>151767678
>dwarves can actually have lives of their own
Urist felt TERRIBLE after getting into and argument with someone

>>151767678
I don't think I ever saw an activity that wasn't purple desu but it might be different now

They don't need lives, they need to work work work

>>151767091
I'm surprised Elfs are not having negative troughs after seeing tree fall.

>>151770057
Their tribal wisdom has taught them that it was inevitable(sorry about the bay12 tier meme).

>>151770348
I just find idea of each elf having "was horrified after seeing tree die" each time walkiing around wood .

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>>151763762
So much production loss! I actually had three dwarves praying at the same time last month, the nerve. Fix this broken mechanic, Toady.

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ok, brewfag here again. My status screen says I have 3 plump helmets, but my still refuses to let me brew; the option is just red. Any ideas?

>>151772847

They might still be in a farm or a soldier's backpack.

>>151772847
Try selecting brew drink from plant anyway, it should tell you what's missing. It's probably an empty barrel.

I'm too dumb for dorf fort. Can you recommend similar but easier games please? I'm trying rimworld right now, but its still a lot to take in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OaOyxuNx0U

>>151775078
have you thought about suicide?

>>151775078
go away. If you can't spend a day fiddling around and having fun then why bother?

>>151775078
>I'm trying rimworld right now, but its still a lot to take in.
If you have problems playing rimworld, I suggest you take that to the rimworld general.

This >>151775316
anon may also have what you're looking for.

>>151763446
Yes. IN fact a boozy tavern is basically only good for vampires. That plus how vamps DONT have physical stats that don't improve contrary to what the raws claim, and can't die of alcohol poisoning, means this really is the tavern update.

>>151775316
i do

>>151775618
I tried for 3 days...

>>151775665
Why are you all so hostile?

>>151775715
>Why are you all so hostile?
This is /dfg/ which means dwarf fortress general

not /sorta like dwarf fortress but not dwarf fortress general/

>>151775876
Who the fuck else is gonna play games similar to dorf if not dorf fags?

>>151775715
>Why are you all so hostile?
They think you're trolling. We get shitposting like "OH man roblocks and minecraft so is much better then this" quite frequently.

>>151776025
Why would we play inferior clones?

I admit I actually played Farms for about 15 minutes because a coworker gifted it to me on Steam when they saw me playing Dwarf Fortress but it is watered down shit in comparison.

>>151776090
Well, sorry then.

>>151776283
I don't know, maybe they are fun.

>>151775715
>Why are you all so hostile?

because you're shilling your merchant's wares in a 100% unrelated thread? and saying you don't have any interest in DF? so fuck off

>>151776685
Shilling what?
I do have interest in DF, its just too hard for me, and lazy newb pack is outdated according to OP.

>>151776685
>so fuck off
Is this a new meme I'm too old to understand, or are you just one anon who keeps telling people to fuck off for completely innocuous reasons?

>>151777001

That guy is pretty autistic but I would give someone some concessions for telling someone to fuck off under these circumstances desu

>>151776596
>I don't know, maybe they are fun.
then go to the threads

we don't go to /rimjob/ to beg Toady for donations

not clear why its ok to go to df to talk about how much you will never play it

>tfw designing the first rooms of a fortress is always the worst part for you

what sort of fucking layout do I even want

everything in one level or one level for industry, one for dining hall etc

fuck

>>151777297
>literally the only dorf like game on /vg/

>>151777375

I love these for the proles

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Bedroom_design#Living_Pods_.28Residential_Flats.29

>>151776025
People who actually play dwarf fortress have no need for inherently inferior games with less content that cost money.

The only people who actually are dumb enough to fall for those scam games are people who are so mind-mindbogglingly lazy that they can't bother sinking any time to learn the game and act like it's impossible. It's not. I've been playing dorf since I was 15 and I guarantee I'm less intelligent than half of these people who "can't get into the game." If a highschool dropout can learn this game, there is no valid reason why you cannot. It's the amount of effort you put into learning it, and if you don't want to put in the effort, you're not going to be rewarded with the ability to play the game. It's as simple as that, and it goes for most things in life. The fact that there exists games that only ride on the myth that "Dwarf Fortress is too hard for normal people to get into," is exactly the problem with video games today. People like you expect to be able to go to a game and instantly be rewarded, and because of that, developers go out of their way to gimp content and actual gameplay over accessibility. It's people like you that are literally the ruin of an entire genre, grand strategy, because "wah i can't read a fucking manual for more than 15 minutes to figure out how shit works," so you opt for the second-best which contains none of the depth or actual "game" of the original, and further encourage developers to put ZERO effort into games and charge full price for them.

>>151777376
there's literally a rimworld general happening right now

I mean I don't mind there being other games discussed in here because i'm not fucking autistic (where do you le think you le are xD) but stop being intentionally obtuse

>>151777148
I'm not judging, just inquiring. I keep hearing it a lot in this general, and that seems out of the ordinary. /dfg/ is normally pretty chill.

>>151777616
>literally the only dorf like game on /vg/
>dorf like game
I'm saying that there are no other threads besides this and rim general, which I'm already in.
So I don't fucking know any other decent dorf like games cause noone plays them here apparently.

>>151778046
>decent dorf like games

that's because there aren't any

rimworld is mediocre and that's the best out of them

>>151777578
Okay, but I have no problem with actual simulators, its just that DF doesn't even have interface, its overwhelming at first.

>>151778124
And now I know that.

>>151777847

The other problem is the 20-50 off topic replies it generates.

>>151778320
good, this is the first step. Now.

Can we help you with any dwarf fortress questions? It's not entirely hard, you just need to get past the interface and graphics and shit

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>>151778431
At least it keeps the thread alive

>Rimworld
>one of the top selling games on steam
>thirty dollars a copy
>at least 3,545 people have bought the game
>that's at least $106,350 with the assumption that Steam doesn't take any of the money, but the people that bought and didn't review will make up for that number ten fold
>the game has been out for less than a month
>it would take Toady TWO YEARS to make that much money with his current Patreon income
>toady has been working on his game for over a decade and it has been and always will be free
>overwhelmingly postitive reviews, a lot of them saying "yeah but dwarf fortress was so hard tho :^))))"
I am FUCKING RAGE ITSELF
i think i'm going to go donate to toady now

>>151778503
Alright then, what's the best way to start, if lazy newb pack is outdated?
Are the tutorials and guides in the OP still relevant?

>>151778702
Not trying to discourage you from so doing but Toady is very off, he gets paid like 5k a month for following his passion

>>151778883
install a nice looking tileset the good old fashioned way
ask questions, look at the wiki, and fuck around.
it worked for me

>>151777847
>/dfg/ is normally pretty chill
Yeah, it's kind of become an element of /dfg/'s culture to be helpful and friendly. But occasionally we get a newfag with a little too much /b/ left in their blood, or someone just hits a veteran's trigger. Dorflite discussion seems to be one of those triggers, but for some people it can be as little as correcting them on a game mechanic. I mean, we can get bitchy when we debate esoteric or poorly researched aspects of the game, and sometimes those debates devolve into name-calling and insults, but generally we're a pretty civil bunch. It always makes me cringe a little when I see someone get this pissy over something so minor.

>>151778883

Download the game
Ask questions in /dfg/ when you get stuck

Never used LNP so I don't know what it does but my guess is nothing major.

The guides should still work since I would guess they cover basic shit like getting industries working which doesn't change dramatically especially not between minor versions.

>>151778883
Yes. Simply put all you have to do to survive and thrive is:

Carpenter dorf for cages and furniture

Mechanics dorf for traps and bridges and shit

one or more food dorfs for food (I like grower + herbalist)

and bring an axe, pick, and anvil

There are better guides and better setups but its very simple to make a self contained fort that uses brews for drinks, grows its own food and is protected by a tunnel of cage traps.

>>151779026
>>151779072

What about additional software? Like therapist, is it mandatory? Is there anything else that helps?

>>151778902
Oh I know, but it still makes me fucking mad as hell

>>151779131

The rapist is useful but you should learn the game first, the stock GUI isn't that terrible to work with it's just a bit more tedious since you can't do mass designations.

>>151779131
nowhere near mandatory, but it does make everything a lot easier that's for sure
legends viewer for exploring your worlds easier (not sure if it's up to date yet though)

>>151778883
Start with the outdated LNP, eventually when it gets updated you just get the new one, it doesn't matter since not a lot has changed from 0.43.03 to 0.43.05

I'd say you could also just install a tileset and skip the LNP entirely but dwarf therapist is a fucking godsend and it's not updated for the latest version

Read the quickstart guide on the wiki or just fuck around with the interface if you're feeling adventurous.

Take it slow, you're gonna suck and you'll probably fuck up by piercing an aquifer the wrong way or forgetting to set up your farms but that's part of the learning experience

>>151778883
>Are the tutorials and guides in the OP still relevant?
Mostly. Some of the infographics are slightly outdated, but not to any degree that will cause a fortress failure. The LNP is just a launcher and a GUI for a few text editing tasks that you're better off learning how to do anyway. The game is identical. Even so, it's only two patches out of date, so you're hardly missing anything if you must use it.

>Lord consort visits during a two hundred strong Gobbo seige
what the fuck do I do

>>151779557
pause the game and manually advance so you can see him get chopped to bits

Thanks for advice guys, I'll hopefully get into DF.

>>151779759
Good luck dude, it's an absolute blast once you learn the basics
much better than Rimshit, that's for sure

>>151779759
May you have a comfy time

>>151776928
If it's seriously too hard for you why are you here? That's the point. Go away.

Also being a version behind isn't going to hurt if you want to use the newb pack. A lot of people do that.

>discover df
>amazed
>spend three days on reading game related material
>start first fort
>my perfectionist autismo gene kicks in
>everything is done top notch
>travel distance is minimised
>dorfs work like swiss clock
>the fort works out so great its boring
What I can do to combat my defensive and perfectionist approach? Please, give me some ideas /dfg/

>>151781093
start in a dangerous area

>>151781093
are you relying 100% on military for defense?

are the caverns open with military defending the escape routes?

>>151781256
yeah I think I should try something like glacier or savage biome... I hope it wont get stale after managing to survive first few years

>>151781265
no, im using traps. should I handicap myself in this matter? are traps really that powerfull?

no I sealed caverns out because what I can gain from dealing with stuff down below? I just avoid it

>>151781093
after playing a few forts and doing them utterly perfectly, you'll probably change
you'll realise that, although it's satisfying to get things running at 99%, they work pretty well even at 70% or 80%, and that you can run a successful, imperfect fort, and save the ultra-careful approach for the occasional situations where you need it (dangerous FB, a big megaproject, one of your starting 7 becoming king right on embark, etc.)

>>151781609
>are traps really that powerfull?
cage traps are well known for being hilariously overpowered. the other kinds of traps can be too, but then again a well-trained military makes most conflicts trivial as well

>>151781609

Weapons traps are ez mode for most applications.

From the caverns you can get interesting animals with cave traps (not necessarily a 100 of them in a hallway between the caverns and the exit)

FUCK OFF YOU GOBLIN CUNTS
They've been outside my gate for hours
I'm almost tempted to let some of them in so my military can finally see some real action

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>>151778702
>>151778902
df would make MUCH more money if toady focused on better graphics support

game is much easier when you can tell what the fuck is going on and dont have to condition yourself to be able to read from the cryptic matrix
just look how comfy this game can look

>>151782738
>df would make MUCH more money if toady focused on better graphics support

Objectively it would be worse because he'd have to spend X amount of time developing pretty pictures for you to look at instead of semi functioning features

>>151782738
i'd much rather have Toady focus on why we play this game - a fucking cool simulation

>>151782110
Does lives of your dorfs means so much for you? Are you that weak?

But references aside, you should let your military see action unless you have crappy armor and weapons and have no access for better reasorces so far.

>>151782738
Too bad he earns way more money than he even remotely needs

and

Too bad he isn't doing it for money

There's nothing cryptic or incomprehensible about roguelike graphics.

making pritty pictures to soothe those with no imagination is not relevant to a man interested in making good gameplay. There will always be 101 DF clones churned per second out to please the graphics autist crowd.

>>151783016
well I've got some really nice leather and copper
but I don't think that's going to be enough, even if my military are legends.

>>151782738
The thing is, DF already occupies a niche, and has a pretty loyal playerbase. The donations are plentiful enough to allow Toady to live a comfortable middle class life, spending almost all his time doing what he loves most: making DF.

There simply isn't any need for Toady to attract more players. DF has all the players it needs, Toady gets all the donation he needs. Everyone's happy. Simple as that.

>>151783454
Copper is fine. You could send 10 legendary military dwarves against a siege completely naked except a weapon and shield, and 9 of them will make it back without a scratch, if not all 10.

>>151783454

Silver hammers + copper picks + copper bolts are a surprisingly effective trifecta, too bad copper armor is fucking awful.

>>151783454
I guess it's not enough.
Must be playing fort with obsidian in firsts rock layers with hematite and galena ores, it warped my perception.

>>151785014
Honestly dorfs in copper will still likely beat gobbos, who have a lot of problems. When the dark fortresses send invasions, they're not sending their best. They're sending size 60000 people with mauls and pikes, they're sending shrimpy guys wielding a two handed sword in one hand and a shield in another, and some, I assume, are master lashers.

>>151785993
>and some, I assume, are master lashers

A simple wall will keep them out.

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>>151781093
make a fortress completely above ground

make a fortress by carving hallways out of mineral veins and making circular rooms off the ends of them

hell once I made a fortress by carving out the rooms then digging away the whole mountain so the fortress was above ground but with engravable stone walls and paved streets.

also play with pump stacks and minecarts. those will keep you busy for decades. the issue you're having mainly is you're trying to min-max too hard. sometimes it's handy but do stuff for aesthetics and fun too.

Have you tried making a 100z lvl chute down to your dining room and dropping goblins down there? Or start a megaproject like pic related

>>151787564
Who's gonna pay for it?

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>>151782738
To be honest, those graphics look like dick. CLA or Phoebe tilesets all I need
Nowadays I just get really really drunk and stoned and watch my fortress just live out it's life like pic related. It's hypnotic.

>>151789667
The... ground?

>My Friend Suicides is an example of The Engraved Petal

>>151784258
Copper helms have saved many dwarf lives from the wrath of Giant Cave Spiders

Does anyone just [f]ollow random dorfs and just see what they get up to?

>>151789667

The DARK FORTRESSES

>>151789826
I mean siegewise.

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>>151784258
honestly if you have copper and lots of wood you can deck your entire fortress out in full copper really quickly.
Like >>151784241 said. Best thing is to give them a good weapon and any sort of armor and get them training asap.

>>151790089
You've never had a Giant Cave Spider Siege?

>>151790270
Just a Fiend Spider siege.

>>151790270
>GCS "seige"
>not free silk delivery
bro

>>151790270
What? Are I benig trolled?

>>151789668
goddamn everything about CLA is literally perfect except for the stairs

>>151791282
No, Trolls are part of Goblin Sieges, we're discussing Spider Sieges.

>>151791563
Are... Spider Sieges real?

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>>151790723
>friend spider
We got one of those on the front porch! Argiopes Aurantia, Black and Yellow Garden Spider. We call her Valkyrie, Valk or Val for short.

Sometimes she scoots over in the morning and sets up a web across the walkway so I scoop the web (with her on it) up on a rake (so as to not risk scaring her and having her fall) and reposition her after letting her calm down a little and web up my hands while we snap some pictures.

Is there any way I can remotely open an iron cage? I have a disarmed goblin inside and she's in a pit with some war dogs, I want to open the pit and have the dogs kill her, but when I try to link up the cage to a lever it doesn't show up on the "select a cage" menu. She was caught in a trap a few years back. The cage is not on a stockpile right now and is completely accessible.

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>>151791965
>The ultimate in fantasy world generation.
>Not including a siege for the children of the queen of misery and evil.

>>151792002
Hah, just noticed you said "fiend" spider, I was like "wait, wouldn't friend spiders web up the goblins and eat them for you, spiderbro pest control and all" until I reread it.

>>151792125
Gotta build the cage first.

>>151792348
So... It's been stuck in an unbuilt cage for years and years? What a retard.
How might I build it? I've got plenty of empty iron cages.

>>151792530
Nevermind, I got it

>>151792530
Just [b]uild a ca[j]e and e[x]pand the list of options until you see goblin cage (iron) or something like that. Then link it to a lever after it is in place.

Just figured out what is probably obvious to the elite modders round here: that you can simply make empty reactions that just plain give civs a bar of the material you want.

I enjoy the idea Meph suggested of making duplicate antagonist civs indistinguishable from one another except with later siege triggers and stronger materials, so even if say you wipe out the associated lv1 goblins when your fort grows in strength tougher gobbos with better gear will show up.

>>151792154
Allied reinforcements arriving during a siege after sending word via magic, carrier animal, bolt/arrow/ballista triggered signal, or specialized squad of stealthed messengers when?

>>151792794
In Rimworld, if a survivor of a raid gets away, he'll provide his accomplices with information wrt the lay of the land and traps and such. Imagine that in DF, progressively more attuned Goblin sieges...

>>151794420
Fat load of good information about trap layouts would do when there's no other way into the fort but a narrow corridor lined with green glass buzzsaws that are activated by a lever deep inside the fort.

>>151794420

That happens in Dwarf Fortress too, to a degree.

>>151794756
They'll dress up as barrels of rum and infiltrate your fortress.

four and a half fucking years into my new fort and literally nothing has happened, except a vampire i caught because my dwarves were telling stories about a vampire who just became the mayor, assholes

no mega beasts, no goblins, no gcs, not even a kobold thief

>>151795484
did you embark near goblins or kobolds?

>>151795484
Unleash the demons

>>151795558
dark pits were fairly close, didnt check civs beforehand so maybe they are dead, diplomats keep mentioning places and people getting attacked by goblins

im not sure whats stopping megabeasts though, its still age of myth, should be lots of the fuckers around

>>151795484
How much wealth have you made in your fort? how many dwarves have you got? Goblin sieges and megabeast attacks are partly determined by how much wealth and dwarves you have.

Took me about 4 years in a fort before any sign of goblins. First siege came after I had made +3 million wealth and exported a bunch of wealth to caravans. Most of that wealth produced was metal stuff.

Try making a bunch of expensive high quality gold shit.

god I hope there's going to be magic-powered mechanical limbs

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nice work doc, that's a really sanitary environment

>>151790150
How old does someone have to be in order to be a candidate for dorf military?

>>151796652
Potentially? 1 year old if you don't mind gimmicks (Babysnatcher rescue, iirc there are ways to recruit a fortress kiddoo into your adventurer's party, and they are then in your adventurer's squad and can be assigned gear).

I've been thinking it may be cool to keep adult size at 12, but make childhood of derfs elfs and humans last til their 18th birthday so I can have some soldiers that still play pretend etc.

>>151796341
GOLD CHAINZ

breeding crundles is some shit, just had like 50+ hatch within a couple frames and they immediately conquered every single nest box in the fort with hundreds of fertilized eggs

>>151796645
Troll Blood has regenerative properties and makes for an excellent soothing rub for hurt dwarf children.

>>151796505
Toady specifically said there would.

>>151797937
So we're talking magick cyborg super soldiers here yeah? Just need to find a nice clean way to amputate those weak fleshy limbs first...

>>151798160
yes, back during the night creature release we knew there'd be some sort of stitched flesh abomination possible made by necros and this will probably be somewhat related

>>151798160
Among other things, yeah, magical replacement limbs, fleshy, mechanical, inorganic, all were mentioned as something he was hoping to get at least partially in place with the magic update, with room for more I would guess.

Believe it or not, instruments are actually a piece of that, setting down multi-material objects and the framework for their interactions and testing lets him and us work out different things than the current "a sword is a sharp bar of metal, a spear is a sharp bar of metal, a bolt is a sharp bar of metal" version, as is item damage.

there is a magic update coming? i though it was just something to do with artifacts

>>151798684
yeah, the next one is to do with artifacts. but artifacts are eventually going to be magical, within the bounds of magic and myths that exist in a given world, and that general theme is the big picture he's working towards in the medium to long term

>>151798837
>medium to long term
2020?

>>151798938
sounds about right

>>151796946
>soldier's playing pretend
yea I just think of it like young 17yo recruits in the military that goof around and wrestle.

If I flood some stone floor deep down with water, it'll become soil. If I let some animals graze there, will the soil "be used up" or would it "work" indefinitely?

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>>151795484
make lots of lavish meals with a legendary cook, and make mechanisms with a legendary mechanic and encrust them and decorate with bone then sell.

just buy everything. I've sustained fortresses of up to 80 dwarves just from buying out caravans, (when a section of the roof collapsed on my farms and killed like 4 dwarves and a bunch of cats).

So how hard would it be to make it so elves used obsidian and debatably for their swords, spears, and arrows instead of wood? Logic being that however primitive they are, they can still knap.

Would I be better off just making a faux-obsidian bar reaction?

>>151799571
the muddy soil is eternal afaik

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ideas for minecarts? I'm thinking of trying them. any tips? I heard they can be fiddly.

I want to try and incorporate them into my fortress defense, but my surface defense is already great.

Is there a way I can make a grinder to defend from monsters from the deep?

Is it weird to say that I've been looking forward to the magic/artifacts/myth updates than I have most actual games?

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>>151799858
or do you think launching carts full of wardogs into the abyss would work?

>>151799947
dont get too excited, its years away and probably wont include half of the stuff anyway

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that comfy feel when you have a pretty efficient, fun fortress that's running smoothly

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>>151798938
Since 43.05 came out Toady has done 1 of 4 categories on the list for the artifact update, wrongly assuming he'll keep going through them at that pace we're looking at say, March 2017 there, figure this time next year it will be through the bugfix cycle, 64 bit version of dfhack 43.05 will finally be ready, and then I'd expect the first chunk of the myth and magic release around the same time in 2018.

Even assuming artifacts require a lot more work we'd be looking at say, early 2019 for the myths/magic initial chunk?

>>151800001
Work as in hilariously? Sure. Impulse ramps+heavy carts in a loop makes a great grinder.

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Another. Fucking. Werechameleon.

>>151802382
Do you know why you fear the night, now?

>>151802382
I look forward to the day when they show up and start to change color and actually blend in with the background tiles, and their opponents have to deal with the reduced hit chance/observability issues.

>>151802382
Once again, Asen the dual-shield dwarf was at the ready, and once again he failed to kill his target before someone else showed up to do it. This time the mayor jumped in and got the kill, and a nasty bite to the foot for his trouble. One of my legendary brewers very helpfully got himself gutted as well. Since the mayor was a backup brewer I'll have to get another one training up. Now I get to play werechameleon hermit again, so there's that.

Want to install DF on my Macbook, and would prefer Stonesense.

Do I go for DFHack, or the MacNewbie Pack (Lazy Newb for OSX)?

>>151806207
I would go lazy newb for now.

>>151803564
I always wonder when I'm going to bump into a weremoose or weremammoth and find myself compelled to start up the cycle of bites again.

Does a gelding strike mean what I think it means

>>151814906
Your gelders go on strike?

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>>151814906
Yes

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>>151814906
No

If I cut out someones tongue do they lose the ability to talk?

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>Go to goblin pits
>usual shitty fps
>see big pink building
>go to it
>fps drops to -1

>>151816635
I think so. I remember biting a goblin's tongue out once. I didn't try to talk to him after that though because he passed out from pain.
I guess biting off all his fingers and toes beforehand was too much.

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Why do they hate our way of life?

>>151817432
The patriarchy.
Or technically demonarchy I guess.

>>151789668
This makes me wanna reconsider using extra graphics. I have always played vanilla DF.

>>151815452
Just needs some
>The severed part sails off in an arc!

and it'd be perfect

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>>151814906

Say you make a material, and then attach a syndrome to that material.
If you make jewelry out of that material and wear it, it will apply the syndrome to the wearer, right?

>>151819168
Not yet, but Toady is aware of this and unhappy with the current implementation.

An armorer made artifact brass greaves. I'm better off not using those since they aren't weapons grade material, right?

>>151819238
Aw fug.
I was going to make a special snowflake material that let the wearer breathe dragonfire, but I guess I'l have to wait until the actual magic update.

Should I dump all the tattered clothing I have laying around, ro use it to trade with a caravan? Most of it is masterfully woven stuff.

>>151819567
Dump and atom sash it that is.

>>151819286
Judging from the raws, brass looks like absolute dogshit. It's even worse than copper.

>>151819342
[FIREIMMUNE_SUPER] can't be tagged with a syndrome last time I checked, gotta wait for him to rework the interactions and such.

>>151819286
Give it to a noble who likes brass, and greaves especially, and they'll enjoy it but otherwise eh, they won't break like others do but besides that?

>>151819567
Sell it to a caravan, smashing it might make the weavers sad, selling it won't.

>>151819730
Wiki says that in 42.06 they get bad thoughts once the caravan with the stuff leaves the map. Did that remain in 43?

>>151819802
It was fixed in 43.01
If you trade the container they're in though it will still trigger artwork defacement unless you're running 43.04

>>151819940
Haha, yes, by the skin of my teeth, I am running 43.04!

Now I gotta stop dumping the so far away from the caravan, or else bringing all that stuff to it will take ages and ages.

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HOW DO YOU WANT YOUR WORLD SENPAI
there are more kobolds than dwarves

>>151818862
Why are you being so mean to that elf

>>151773059
Is this the return of timbukdrew??

>>151815115
Excellent.

>>151819730
>won't break like the others do
Wait wait wait wait, artifacts don't get damaged?

>>151822553
from the wiki
>Artifacts cannot be damaged by temperature extremes, building destroyers, or fire, although they will ignite and burn as is normal for their material type. They can be lost in pits, carried off the map by flows, stolen by thieves, atom-smashed by bridges, or melted by extreme heat. The loss of an artifact does not appear to affect the happiness of its creator.

>In Dwarf Fortress Talk #7, toady stated that even when atom smashed, or melted by extreme heat (or destroyed in any other manor) The artifacts will not be deleted but instead receive a "Hidden" flag, which causes the item to respawn in a random location on the site in which it was destroyed perfectly unharmed after reclaiming a fort or visiting it in adventure mode.