/eog/ - EVE Online General

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x hard tackle

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So das it, huh? We're da tacklers. We som kinda suicide squad

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>>151237050
>30M
Might as well buy a cruiser at that point

they will never take eog away from us

forever and always eve online general

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>why switching from mega to yacht

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you mean /dog/

when is the frame drop issue getting addressed

when is the meme ship issue getting addressed

>>151240947
just buy a faster computer

>>151241221
how would that help

SETTING UP PI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfH814a-J70

>>151242062
better CPU = less frame drops

shield sin

>>151247654
INRI

got back into eve

dont know what to do at all

why did i even sub

>>151248174
post dogs

>>151248174
post ign

>>151254356
>>151254175
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>>151253814
nice photoshop filters you got there

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>>151254438
don't be ridiculous I made these in mspaint

>amarr

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How do you guys stay awake during fleet ops?

>>151258085
Look up for meme killmails from all out.

>>151258085
copious amounts of tea

>gist

>cat
numale detected
kys

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B E S T GIRL

>>151259349
>trying this hard

>denies this hard
just kys already

>omg /pol/ we ran out of memes, how are we gonna insult people now??
>lets try pets and be as autistic about it as possible

>>151259468
Broadsword gets all the kills.

>>151260060
broadsword gets all the dicks because it's a SLUT

>tfw kaalakiota skin is only on autistic garbage like onyx and golem

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r8

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Also r8

>>151260909
>implying that can hit anything

>>151261280
Pretty garbage your DPS will get over run pretty easy

Polarized not worth it

>>151260909
An armor hurricane would be better, tank a lot more

Drop the artillery, it's not a hurricane fleet issue so your tracking isn't great

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r8

dead

>>151260909
looks ok, you shouldn't be using quake though, and drop that shitty burst aerator for 2 shield rigs

>stabber
>tech 1 modules

>>151264681
Drop the plate, TD and the autistic lmls. Fit another LASB

>LASB unironically
>not LSE

>>151268334
>fit another lasb
Nice cap

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>>151269232

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>leave highsec
>get bullied to death

>leave nulsec
>get bored to death

>>151273404
Welcome to eve

>>151273641
>null sec
>fun

>undock
>get bullied by titans

>>151269232
uwot

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>that one guy who doesn't live in best space, namely npcnullsec

>>151275156
>best space
>not wormholes
much better game without local listing all players desu

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>wormholes
>best space

You're right m8, nothing but space and npcs for carebears there.

>muh local

>yfw local doesn't exist in whs so people can't see that nobody lives there

>lowsec that low reward
What are level 5s
What are level 4 faction warfare missions (they literally pay 300m+ per hour)
What are 5 and 6/10s

Where are the no multi-player sky posters now LOL

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>>151277507
Still here m8.

>>151274284
I didn't say it was fun, it's just less boring than high and lowsec.

>>151276265
>talking in local in whs

what fit/ship to get for frigate FW

>>151281948
vigil fleet issue is goat

>>151281948
tormentor, kestrel

>>151283769
nice meme

Should i buy a dominix or a proteus?

Im looking to earn money, not to lose it.

>>151284804
dominix is cute

>Armageddon Navy Issue

>>151284804
Nigga those are completely differrent ships. What are you planning to do?

Dominix for lvl4 missions if you can't use a rattlesnake.
Proteus for mazes or something I guess.

Vindicator for incursions

Rattlesnake for everything else that doesn't require caps.

>>151286761
That was for >>151284804

or just fly a tengu for everything

>tengu

>>151286761
Mach is the superior so for level 4s
Tengoo is the superior ship for maze.
Logo is the superior choice for incursions because cheap ship + easy to move is amazing.

>>151288898
left>right

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>thread on leddit asking if it's possible to play this game with just one account/one character
>literally everyone saying no. 2-3 accounts is ideal
>play quits
>people wondering why this game is sloping to death

Dog make me a kiting napoc for

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>navy issue

>asking on reddit

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>somebody who browses reddit quits

how do you clear cache without removing all your in game settings

>>151290591
ingame esc menu or in launcher setting the purge extra files or something

>>151290698

i don't see anything on the launcher about it

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>>151291049

>>151291689

yeah there's nothing in there about clearing it though

i got the in game one, are we sure it doesn't delete in game settings/window positions?

>tfw going out on a roam

stay docked, m8s.

what are you taking, omen or bellicose

>diemost

snuff are kings of lowsec

>unironic brony slave guardian blob corp

>>151297943
Not everybody can be a king, pleb.

Is microphone mandatory if i want to join a pvp corp?

>>151299879
yes

>>151299879
A few people get by without, but it's clunky as fuck.
Nobody cares what you sound like, get a 10$ mic.

>>151299879
Just pretend you're a mute.

>>151299960
>>151299936
Ait, i'll order a modmic

What's an appropriate max ISK value i can haul around in a tanked DST?

>>151300183
In that case you better get yourself a camera for hand signs

>>151300215
to clarify: in order to not get ganked in hisec along high traffic pipes, not autopilot

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>missiles

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>drones

>>151300470
Fit your DST properly and you won't get ganked, period.
People will unironically fail to form up quickly enough to kill you because of how much damage it takes.

>>151249208
Dror.

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>>151306725
what about this?
Stats with my skills, currently have Transport Ships 3

>>151264681

>>151267670
This. WTF is a t1 Stabber doing at 25M.

>that guy without warp speed rigs

>>151308332
wew lad
for starters, DSTs are bonused for booster amount
i've never fit a mastodon but let me see if i can come up with something better

>guy

>that guy who doesn't fly a cyclone for fun

>guy

>>151309176

post one for the occator

does anyone have a good garmur fit for FW

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>>151312439

>>151312439
Medium point and light missile launcher

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>>151308332
ok how is this
depending on how your core skills are you might have fitting issues
i don't like the lack of MJD
input welcome

>>151313279
don't you need mwd for mwd cloak

>>151313279
yeah but i'd prefer AB/MJD for hisec
trying to figure out how to get that

>>151309176
>booster ammount
i didn't even notice
I pulled that fit from osmium, it got 114k EHP against 50/50% kin therm damage profile, i figured that was 'a lot'...

>>151313279
Thanks.
But why the small extender? Mastodon already has batshit shield, a small won't make much difference, no?

>>151314078
i literally stuck that in there because there was an empty slot and hardly any fitting left lol

>>151314291

fit a burst jammer if you can

>>151314358
Original DST fag here
I read that Burst Jammers will stop you from jumping or docking for 60 secs, isn't that counter productive? As well as getting concorded if it hits neutrals

can you mjd in a bubble?

>>151314626
yes

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ok, I'd use this one in hisec. It has an AB and an MJD, but no cloak.

After you take gate, turn on your hardeners first. Then initiate warp, and immediately pulse the AB on and then off. You'll enter warp in 7.5 seconds (8 ticks). If you are attacked, overheat your hardeners and rep for 900+ shield repped / second. If you are not scrammed, hit your mjd to get away, and when you land do the AB pulse to align and warp before they can burn 100km to you. If you are scrammed, heat your AB and burn back to gate.

You have a heat bonus, so don't worry too much about burning your stuff out.

cont in pt 2: the lowsec version

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this one has an MWD and a cloak, but no MJD. It also has no warp core stabs, but it does have an additional inertial stab. Do the cloak+mwd trick with this one. If you get decloaked by a gatecamp while aligning, you are probably dead if they have scrams. If they don't, heat your MWD and burn back to gate.

>>151316494
actually you might be able to burn back to gate successfully on this one even without a prop lol
with hardeners and rep heated, it reps 1600 dps
they'll probably have webs though

>>151316494
oh and if you can get ecm in that medium slot instead of the shitty extender that might be a good plan

>ecm
>not tp

>>151316080
if you swap one hardener for a second MASB here, you go from 47k to 44k ehp but you get 1200 heated reps.

for comparison my occator gets 50k heated ehp and 800 heated reps

>laughing_impels.jpg

>use to be able to do lvl 4 missions
>suddenly cant

lolwtf im so mad right now

>>151299879
No, as long as you're able to listen, and content with never doing anything important outside of bringing DPS.

>>151319827
Stop declining missions then

STOP TAKING ETRIAN GENERAL'S NAME WE WERE HERE FIRST REEEEEE

>pedo weebshit general

>>151323441
ok

>>151321124
no they're HARDER than i remember. my first mission was an angel convoy though... so that might be the problem.

>>151237050
Fuckoff?

>?

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>All-Out

>click warp
>above 75%
>5s+, still no warp
>get tackled
Fuck this lameass tripe.

>8 posts in 3 hours
Nice general.

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>Nice general.

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>>151316494
47k ehp is asking to get volleyed by few nadoes.

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>>151328694
Should be even less posts, lets go back to pls spam.

>tfw /eog/ will go back to 2012

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>Tengoo

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>>151330948
join tengoo

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>>151330574
2013ish was the height of this game's PCU.

>this price
Fuckin' wot.

>>151331075
Should I dual point for maximum target selection, or just scram with a cap booster meme?

>not Amarr

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>>151333437
>mfw I'm flying minmatar unironically

Some of You Guys are Alright, Don't go to Tama Tomorrow.

>>151335287
>not flying minmatar unironically

>>151336496
Dont forget your plex and your eris if you go!

I honestly really like looking at killboards in All-Out and Oruze Cruise, and look at how much better my own is. It's hilarious since these guys talk so much shit about being great at the game.

>>151336496
Too late, I already got cucked there today

>>151336916
All-out knows they are shit other than a few members. Oruze isn't that bad

Daily Reminder the moros is literally worse than the nag in virtually every way

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>ironically not flying a plate rep bellicose

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>>151336496

You jump the Nourv gate and this guy instalocks your shipfu. What do you do?

>>151328895
Drop the republic fleet shield extender for more resists or a cap booster or another repper or something.

It gets whole bonuses to overheating reppers and overheating hardeners so fill it up with shit because your resists will be insane and so will your reps

>>151337265
>Oruze isn't bad
Oruze is a more advanced form of All-Out, they have more SP and money, but are just as dumb.

>>151328895
Also drop the stabilizers, do the prop trick by cycling your prop once by aligning. Replace with other more useful mods like cargo space or power diagnostics which give slight bumps to cap and shields or stuff

>cargo expander
>DST

anyone getting a shitload of lag when you spam lock on the overview now?

>>151338018
how can they be dumb when they dont log in :^)

really they're richer, higher sp all-out but with improved shitposts and memes

>>151338283
better than inertial stabs which do nothing but make you easier to hti

>>151338430
lol

>>151337736
Low buffer means you get easily cucked by a few nados
>https://zkillboard.com/kill/41617922/

>>151338069
You actually need some align mods to do the cloak + mwd trick, unless you overheat the mwd

>oracle
>alpha

>they reduce your align time which makes you harder to catch
>but they increase your sig so actually you're easier to catch omg

mfw being in the same thread as retards

>>151339071
>a few nados
You'll need at least 4 to hit for 100% their normal hit assuming theres NO tracking issus between transversal and sig which their fucking will be since its a cruiser sized target with even slight speed and a battleship weapon

>>151339238
no you don't an occator aligns in 8 seconds every time with a 10mn AB, you can do it with a 50mn MWD.

>cloak MWD
I didn't say cloak, this is just aligning in general, a 10mn trick will always be superior

>>151339071
These oracles don't even put out that alpha, mega pulses only put out 3100 alpha with 3 heat sinks assuming all 8 guns hit.

Tachyons only do 6k with 3 heat sinks

These oracles obviously hit and cycled multiple times and the target didn't have any resist mods turned on.

>>151339395
>>they reduce your align time which makes you harder to catch
the align time reduction is barely noticeable and a 10mn AB cycle is ALWAYS faster. So yea, the only think they're doing is making you easier to catch and hit

>>151339726
except you're cloaked so your sig is irrelevant

>>151339405
He has a cloak and a MWD, not an AB, so the agility would be relevant.
>>151338430
Yeah I'm sure losing hull HP is better than a small increase in sig in your 250m hauler

>>151340018
why would you even attempt a mwd cloak trick when you don't need to

I'm specifically referencing 10mn AB's which are always better for aligning than using inertial stabs.

>>151340139
Step 1 to not being ganked hauling billions is not getting ship scanned.

>>151340131
>Yeah I'm sure losing hull HP is better than a small increase in sig in your 250m hauler
cargohold expanders don't reduce hull hP

>small increase
using 2 of these increases your sig by 38% thats not exactly insignificant

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>>151340280
Ok buddy, keep your cargo expanders in that sig tanking DST of yours.

>>151340595
>implying hull matters when 90% your tank is in shields

well they've fucked something up cause performance is god damn terrible now

>>151340595
It actually used to be armor hitpoints until like 2013 and since I'm not a carebear fag I've never used a cargo expander

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>>151341227
>why is my performance garbage when I'm running max shaders and HDR on a garbage GPU
stop being poor

>>151341131
Another angle then: the -18% speed is akin to a 20% increase in tracking. In case you're bad at math, that's more than the 10% from Istabs.

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LOL

>>151341446

>thinks afk in a station has anything to do with the issue

>>151341473
>the -18% speed is akin to a 20% increase in tracking
thats -18% maximum speed and since you're aligning thats not akin to 20% tracking increase at all since the function for tracking vs a 90 degree angular velocity is not linear at all as its entirely logarithmic

>>151341473
>that's more than the 10% from Istabs.
no its not, signature is 1:1 with tracking speed so a 38% increase in sig is a 38% increase in tracking.

>>151341623
she's right though

>>151341992
for example

if a tracking disruptor hits me for 50% reduction in tracking speed, the only way I'd track my target the same again is if the target's signature doubled

>>151341992
Sure, but one istab isn't 38% sig increase, that would be 3 of them. Likewise several cargo expanders are considerably less speed.

>>151342493
Speed reduction is always a bigger factor in tracking though (e.g. a 60% web is a 250% tracking increase, while 60% bigger sig is just 60% in tracking), which is why in the end you would hit a ship with cargo expanders better than if it had a same number of inertial stabs.

>>151342497
2 istabs is though

20% for one

18% for the second where the 20% bonus is reduced by 10% for the first stacking penalty to 18%. Since they apply on the original signature thats 38% together.

>that would be 3 of them

I'm pretty sure the signature radius penalty is 20% on a T2 istab

>>151342631
It's 20% agility bonus, 11% signature, dog pls fool me once.

>>151342628
>Speed reduction is always a bigger factor in tracking though
Its still 1:1 for tracking and signature too

basically if I double my tracking, you have to double your speed to get the same tracking factor overall.

>cut my speed in half
thats equivalent to 4 times the tracking speed. Its primarily why Capital guns (before the capital rebalance) were able to hit battleships and cruisers because webs helped a moros track better than TP's did

Where do you even get these 250% numbers from it doesn't make sense

>>151342759
then 2 would be 11+9.9=20.9% increase in tracking

>>151342798
From the tracking formula, it's somewhere in the eve-uni wiki. Basically 1/(remaining speed) will give you the tracking increase.
For a T2 web (60%), that would be 1/(1-0.6)=250% extra tracking
For 2 cargo expanders (30% web), 1/(1-0.7)=43%

>>151343386
>30% web
a cargohold expander is not on par in terms comparatively because we aren't talking about max speed, we need 75% speed to warp.

either way, a 10mn AB cycle still gets you into warp faster, still increases your speed more overall and the tracking isn't an issue. Inertial stabs do nothing but shave a few seconds off a stupidly long align time because DST's are cruiser size hulls with extremely high agility modifiers which gives them wicked long align times.

It'd still be superior to always do a MWD trick or a 10mn AB cycle. Inertial stabs buy you nothing but some reduction that you can't even taste because a 10mn AB is always faster regardless

>>151343650
Your 75% speed will still be lower in the same proportion if you have cargo expanders. What's your point?

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>>151343650
Also heres the CTH formula

ignore the right half of the formula because we aren't talking about optimal range and fall off and distance from a target.

They recently "changed" the formula and by that they really just combined to variables where one of the "variables" was always constant called Turret Sig Resolution. They combined this with tracking speed since TSR was always constant for ship sizes, smalls, mediums and larges and X-larges were always different compared to weapon size but inbetween they were always the same. For example a Heavy Neutron, Heavy Ion and Heavy Electron blaster always had the same TSR but different tracking speeds.

This is the current formula.

>>151344064
this is the old formula, notice the change in the first half the formula that no longer includes Turret sig res and turret tracking. Instead it has "weapon accuracy score" which is actually just Turret Tracking speed and Turret Sig res combined

>>151336916
Link yours then, but remember, F1 brainless monkey shit goes out the window.

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https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/o7-the-eve-online-show-sunday-august-14-20-00-utc/

>We'll sit down with CCP Fozzie and CCP Masterplan to discuss the future.

What do they mean by this?

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>>151344215
christ forgot the image

>>151344015
Actually just reviewing the formula, your conjecture that the formula reduces to some function 1/(1-x) doesn't even appear in this form

>>151344321
Eve servers are closing

>>151337645
Drop my pants and say I don't need any lube.

>>151344358
It's too late to be explaining math fдm, I'm sure you will figure it out

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>Not playing the superior sandbox MMO with completely player-made economy

>>151346821
now with more killboards!

>>151346821
>Paying to beta test a game
The ultimate cucks.

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>Amarr

how the fuck do you fit an occator

>>151346547
>fdm
д is not A you faggot

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Hey guys, got a couple of fags who were considering trying stuff out but they probably wouldn't fit well with any of the major newbie groups. Last I was here, you guys had some new player corp but I can't remember the name.

>Implying I know any russian

>>151357982
All-Out

>>151357982
try fall-out

>>151357982
I no longer recommend all-out. Used to be half decent.

>>151357982
>they probably wouldn't fit well with any of the major newbie groups

Why is that? They're autistic or something?

>>151359835
Kind of. One friend refuses to join a group without testing them on joining.

If they kick him after he starts off with "evening niggers" he considers them unworthy

>>151360978
I mean, all-out obviously has no problem with racist invective, so it'd pass his test there. That said, if he's underage or too much of a faggot there might be issues.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/55514627/
I don't understand why people do this

>>151361352
has snuff lowered their requirements?

>>151363873
Its like peoples obsession with solo stealth bombing and other cloaky shit. Its baby tier pvp where you can use the cloak to only take "fair" fights and avoid anything scary.

>>151364795
It's not about fair fights you dumb fuck. You go for the pods.

>>151364874
Yeah, you might get some nice killmails when someone warps through in a high grade slave pod or whatever, but I don't see how people claim to get the same sort of thrill as standard pvp.

>>151365096
Sadism. Pods are precious.

>>151364874
I said """fair""" fights. Aka every fight where the player gets easy kills, everything else is just blobbing and cancer.

>>151360978
Karmafleet wouldn't kick you for that.

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>amarr unironically

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So i actually should'nt join All-Out?

Any other alternatives for a newfag who happens to have 10 year old characters with 50m SP?
I hear this image is out of date

Some guy recommended some null corp a while back, i should have saved the name

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>All-Out

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>>151373416
Also: i've been doing way too much braindead carebear shit, am on the verge of burning out, should i:
1. join FW and get farmed by "elite pvp"
2. explore wormholes and get killed by tengus
3. roam 0.0 and get farmed by nullblobs?

The problem with eve combat is the lack of maneuver and flanking at the tactical level.

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>>151373416
>>151374034
Also also: it's nice that downtime is only 10 minutes nowdays. I remember when it used to be a fucking full hour.

First and foremost, I want to put here that this is a thread for brainstorming. I'm not trying to say eve's combat sucks, I'm throwing down some ideas, based on what I've learned and seen through a variety of different games both videogame and traditional, on how eve's combat could be improved.

Right off the bat, I'm sure there are a few people who don't think it needs any serious changes, and I know absolutely that a great deal of people would hate having eve's combat change in any serious way. "Don't fix what ain't broke", and a lot of people feel that eve's combat ain't broked.

That's fine, take this post as theory-level stuff. I don't mean it to be a final draft, but to get the ball rolling on workable ideas for the community to think about.

Increase tactical-level decision making.

It's relatively simple and straightforward concept: There needs to be more to standard combat than utility management, distance and transversal. - Buffs and debuffs are the wrong approach.

Right now, what eve is doing right in regards to combat is in the strategic-level approach. It can definitely use improvement, (I would consider the current state to be in its infancy) but it's there. Fleets using tactical jump points, gatecamps, system blockades, and so on.

But look what happens once the strategic approach transfers into the tactical level: Massive blobs of ships. The fights turn into slugfests, the meta of the day is calling the right targets for alpha-strikes and making flight/fight decisions. To me, it's not enough to keep combat interesting.

What do you do at the tactical level when someone with the perfect fit against your ship jumps you?
You can't do anything. The fight was essentially decided at the ship fitting screen.
This needs to change

>>151374326
But how? What can you possibly do in a semi-newtonian environment where everyone instantly knows where everyone else is and there's basically no terrain? No maneuvering options?

That's what needs to be tackled.

First, what is terrain? What does it do?

-Conceals and obscures
-Provides physical protection
-Influences your ability to move

Different kinds of terrain influence these to different degrees. A hill, for example, requires hard work to climb, and an opponent on top of the hill has a height and reach advantage in melee, and a line of sight advantage generally; but a hill also makes him stand out and silhouette against the backdrop of the sky, he's easier to see.

Next, is maneuver:
Why do we maneuver to the flanks of an opponent? Because it divides his attention, because his flank is less guarded and because his flanks lead to his vulnerabilities.

There is no such thing as flanking in eve's tactical combat. In fact, there is no direction in eve's tactical combat. This is problematic, because direction is the cornerstone of maneuver, and maneuver is the cornerstone of entertaining, engaging, competitive and challenging combat - and while you can certainly have that without maneuver, with maneuver, you open up so many more possibilities.

So how can we improve on Eve's present setup?
We can introduce terrain
We can introduce direction
Yeah, it's really that 'simple'. Combined we improve and increase the tactical level decision making required in an engagement

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>>151373416
>All the classic 4chan sperging

what did she mean by this?

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>>151373416
I'm in all-out and there's no reason for new people not to join.

On one hand, we now have enough to the point where you won't see people spamming >JOIN ALL-OUT< like they used to, but we're still open for newfags.

>>151374326
>>151374395
>this thread
U mean ur ebin reddit thread. Fuck off back to your shithole.

>>151374326
I'll start with terrain and environment:
Eve needs a more complex spotting system. That's really the only environment we can change or expand. This comes in a couple flavours, and I think people are going to like the options and possibilities this opens up. Put simply, getting data on a target, not just targeting it with weapons, but flat out knowing they are there needs to change.

But, this is a bit confusing. What do you mean? No local?
Hardly. This works with or without it, local doesn't matter. What will be necessary is to explain what active and passive sensors entail and what they have to do with spotting.

There are two states of being under this proposed combat change - Active and Passive. They pretty much are exactly what they sound like.

Imagine you are in a pitch dark room. You cannot see anything. Maybe you hear whispers, someone bumped something and you heard it. You know you aren't alone but you don't know where they are. This is what passive sensing is. Under passive sensors, you are essentially invisible to someone else running passive sensors. You're in a room full of blind men.

You have a flashlight with you and flick it on, illuminating what's in front of you. You heard him bumbling around, but now you can see him. This is directly analogous to turning on your active sensors. - What's more however: Everyone else in the room can see you now, even though they don't have [i]their[/i] flashlights turned on.

There is a lot you can do with active and passive sensing, the possible meta changes are enormous - it makes actual ambushes possible, it adds new roles to fleet combat ops, and it fundamentally changes how ECM works.

>>151374465
Stop copypasting your garbage redditor opinions. Fuck off.

>>151374326
ECM and ECCM
Probably one of the most discussed topics I've seen regarding eve's combat is ECM. Your ship gets jammed and that's it, you're done like turkey on thanksgiving. Under active and passive sensor systems, ECM's role changes a little. Essentially, ECM works by either giving your enemy the wrong targeting information, hiding yourself, or by straight up blinding the shit out of him. Go back to the dark room example above: Give yourself a high powered flashlight - So powerful that the guy you shine it on winces and tries to shield his eyes, it's so bright. That's what jammers do. Jammers also make you a really big target, you're pretty much the brightest thing around.

Why can't I just turn off my sensors, go passive, and run away?
You could. At least, you could try. You'll be harder to see, harder to hit than if you were running actives, but you also can't shoot back very well. You don't get full target information that a radar ping would give you - like distance or speed. On top of that, once you're illuminated by active sensors, you're still rather visible, even though you're trying to hide.

Speed
Here's another interesting piece to the sensing puzzle. The higher your engine output, the easier you are to spot on passive sensors. This stems directly from total energy output. Your engine is a giant lance of energy pushing you around, that's very visible and it gets more visible the more power you feed into it. This opens up a new meta between MWD's and AB's; with one significantly stealthier than the other.

>>151374086
This literally is not the case, you're just not familiar with how maneuvering and flanking actually happens in EVE and it's movement system.

>>151374536
GET
THE
FUCK
OUT

>>151374326
Now we move onto direction:
Holding a shield and a spear, you can take on and defend yourself or attack an opponent in front of you. This kind of fighting is tough, hard, and prone to becoming a battle of attrition. This is what fights are like right now in eve. Attrition: There are no clever maneuvers, there is no flanking. It's a brawl, and in a brawl, weight of firepower and numbers win. How does a numerically inferior force win against a numerically superior force in Eve? Largely, they don't. It mostly comes down to whether or not you have the right fitting to take on your opponent - ECM against ships prone to jamming or lack proper support. Suppose both sides have the same ships and equipment, but one side is larger than they other? The larger force wins.

Does it always work this way in reality? No.
Why?
Because of maneuver and surprise.

Here's a fundamental concept in combat: Numbers (almost) always win
How does that work? It's effectively what maneuver is about: You gain local numerical superiority through better use of terrain and maneuverability than your opponent.

>>151374326
"What about the Spartans at the battle of Thermopylae?"" You might ask. "There were only 300 of them, how could they possibly have stopped Xerxes the way they did?" Well, putting aside that there weren't just 300 spartans, the answer is in the word Local. Local numerical superiority. In the case of a chokepoint, like at Thermopylae, the Greeks were outnumbered, but they used the terrain to their advantage, effectively reducing the frontage of the larger army they were facing, turning the fight into one of attrition, and in a format (spearwall/phalanx) that they were well trained for. What does that really mean? It means that Xerxes's army was not able to make use of their numbers for greater maneuverability to envelope and surround the Greeks. It means his army was forced to fight on the Spartan's terms. It means he was forced into a battle of attrition where, though he had numerical superiority, he did not have local numerical superiority. Important to note is that eventually, the Greeks did become surrounded, and did die. Guess how? Xerxes flanked them. Though in truth, against the superior size of the Persian army, they would have lost anyways. You can't win a battle of attrition with fewer numbers unless there is some significant equalizing element - better training, morale, equipment, etc. and likely in large combination. (For example: ~5000 US marines with modern weapons could probably have won that battle of attrition. Possibly even if you reduced their numbers by an order of magnitude.)

Likewise, the Greeks could potentially have won the battle had they been able to make use of a flanking maneuver on Xerxes. If the Greeks could cut and divide up Xerxes's army into pieces smaller than their own force - retaining their local numerical superiority - they would have won. When you start examining battles throughout history, this is the one common element that the winning side almost universally acquires.

>>151374636
>>151374706
COOL MEME BRO, HOW MUCH KARMA DO YOU WANT

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>mfw not reading shitposts

>make good posts
>call them shit posts
really makes you think...

>good Posts
>reddit
I want dror to leave

>Dror
Literally who
Lord Malodror?
Lord Mandadror?

>>151376105
Some random autistic guy that used to post here.

>t. autistic girl that still posts here

>pretending you don't still post here

dror pls

What about our girl gorski?

>oneiros

>

>want to try out some exploring
>hop in the frigate the tutorial exploration missions give you for finishing them
>hop around until I find a relic site
>get my ass blasted nearly out of the sky by AI ships
How the fuck you meant to do this shit without a cloaking device

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>>151374034
brz rezbond

>>151378080
Either we warned you about sleeper sites a dozen times by now or you joined today.

>>151378831
Pretty much only started playing the other day

>>151378080
m8 there's a warning when you warp to sites. The ones with combat in explicitly warn you.

>>151379908
>reading
But that's for nerds

>>151373416
>>151374034
>>151374449
>>151378080
>>151378945
join all out

(srsly)

>Amarr

>>151384372
>good ships are good

>shit posts are good

>>151381309
Ok send me an invite

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I'VE NEVER DONE ONE OF THESE BEFORE
WHAT DO I DO
HELP ME EOG

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>undocking without core skills

>>151386987
I hope you have one of those data analyzers fitted. Also do the Career Agents fagtron

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>>151387184
>one of those data analyzers fitted

>>151386987
google

Just take your time and ha k every the right way on the first try

>undocking without tp v

>>151386854
join the public channel and send in an application, fдм

>>151386987
Are you dead yet, anon?

>>151389703
>have to fill out a whole application form
Man fuck this I ain't looking for a second job

>new nullsec focus group

what's going on here? is it more sovbabbies trying to bring back afk empires

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>DREADS AND TRIAGE ARE NOT ECM IMMUNE
>We're well aware of this and are working on a fix ASAP! - CCP Larrikin on plebbit

He will post on Plebbit but not on the actual news/devblog on the website. Rolfos is right this is fucking dumb.

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>>151390583
No, but I only got one can. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, and to be honest the loot wasn't too good either. I only got 9 mil in research tools, an implant that would net a terrible profit, and a wetu blueprint.

>>151391216
>muh capitals aren't immune to the game mechanics I don't like, ccp pls fix

>>151390942
can't be too careful when recruiting from 4chan in wormhole space

but like honestly, it's a few yes or no questions + "what have you done so far" + "what do you want to do next". It's going to be pretty much the same questions for any group that's not a hisec mining or missioning corp.

>>151391267
better luck next time for high grade ascendencies

>>151391316
he's not complaining about capitals, he's complaining about ccp not using their own website

>>151391267
Use a cargo scanner

>>151391639
I did, I opened the can with the best loot

>>151389703
>fдм
STOP YOU FAGGOT

>>151390942
The application is trivial.
If you legitimately can't fill it out, you can't even meet All-Out's incredibly low standards.

>>151384372
t3s were a mistake

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>>151375568
>>151376553
>talks about a guy that hasn't posted on the official forums in like a year
>calls *him* autistic

>posts actually discussing potential game mechanics
>not fun
Not that they're the best ideas. The EVE community won't even properly discuss removing SP so that fresh players would actually provide them with content.

>removing sp

it's that fag again

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>>151384372

>pick up some loot from a relic
>game tells me price is in the millions
>get back to highsec space
>only buyer nearby is offering 400k for it

>>151397935
Everybody who ever starts playing EVE wonders why SP is a thing besides money. The answer is nothing.

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>>151398053

>>151398179
sell it at jita 4-4 caldari navy you dingus

>>151398490
That's where I'm heading

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>>151384372
m8

>>151398490
>selling it at (((Jewta)))

>>151398339
just remove the confessor and the svipul and it will be ok

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Ghost Sites are SIGNATURES that have to be PROBED?
YES? NO?
Fucking 99% of the internet contains out of date information regarding shit like this

>>151398898
yes. besieged covert research anoms are not ghost sites

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>>151398898

>>151374326
>What do you do at the tactical level when someone with the perfect fit against your ship jumps you? You can't do anything. The fight was essentially decided at the ship fitting screen.
You should know this before taking the fight or use it to your advantage. If you were playing a paintball game with melee, you would probably pick the paintball gun over the melee fitting. That's just common sense. Getting caught out is a problem with ranged because of tracking and mobility counter/measures, but overall, it's still the quickest and most interactive (and least likely to succumb to blob play because of escape potential).

>>151374465
Terrain can't really exist without making new systems, not to mention new mechanics. You could put stuff in space that affects the ship as they come together, but it's not really what's being discussed with visibility and direction, just mobility (and maybe sig res, etc.)

Active and passive sensing is a complete overhaul and absolutely unlikely. There's really no point in even discussing it because it's an actual gameplay update, unlike removing SP. Just as well, making ships provide less information in the blob of empty space that is EVE gameplay doesn't make it more interesting. Maybe the idea is going for that rogue feel, where you don't know what's around every corner, but there aren't corners, there aren't hallways, and there's already a rogue feel.

>>151374536
Sensors don't affect whether or not you can run away, and it's not obvious how they would with this targeting idea. There's still modules that keep ships on field that are either on the ship or aren't.

>>151374636
Direction is barely relevant if most ships beyond frigates can hit out at 100k. Maneuverability is always fun, but there aren't listed examples of how to increase mobility in this post, nor is there an explanation of how direction is supposed to be implemented, as ships already have a vector for movement.

>>151398179
>buy orders
Irrelevant if it sells for more. There's a sale history chart and table in-game, plus here: www.eve-markets.net.

>>151373416
Bad directorship is leading it downhill

>>151399186
There're*

does all out have good banter, or just forced memes, /v/ tier quality and ironical shitposting?

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>>151359483
>>151399527
t. bootyblistered because we switched chat platforms without asking you

>>151400184
I dont think shard has played even in over a month

>>151400184
I think Its actually the fact that a embodiment of a 12 year old is a director.

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join tengoo

>>151400184
fuck off reyni

she is not my director

Minmatar Carrier V in training I can't wait for the dank 75M+ isk ticks in Delve

>Minmatar

>Brutor

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>Sebiestor

>tfw sebiestor will forever stay cucked

>ded 10/10

>>151412270
>Amarr

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>>151400184
Hi reyni. No it's that fact people from all out still talk to me about your inadequacies.

Thanks for the fokko tho. Didn't have that one.

>>151415118
fuck off shard
i literally cannot decide who is worse, reyni or shard

you're both faggots

reyni more like gayni

how to raise faction standing fast? just grinding missions or is there a faster way ?

>>151416541
GRIND IT.

>>151416247
At least I'm good at eve and hold an actual life outside unlike someone who just milks sweed regard money.

take your retarded autist corp drama somewhere else, fags. like reddit.

>>151417506
>can't handle the bants

>>151417506
>t. redditor

>>151417506
>stop talking about what i don't like

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>>151417612
>>151417740
>>151417847
found the all out autists