/eog/ - EVE Online General

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Admit it. EVE with quick capital accessibility would be the game's main feature. EVE has a rep for being an easy pace, and maneuvering a big ship with super powerful abilities would be reason enough to make ISK and enjoy the game.

>>151650710
Have you ever been in a big cap brawl?

10% tidi is bullshit. And if you make caps easy to get into, there's no sense of loss when they die, which takes most of the rush out of the combat.

>>151650998
>all cap fighting is tidi
The jump fatigue patch already happened.

>>151651123
Notice I specified BIG brawl?

five dreads a side is no different to five rifters a side if you make dreads quick and easy to get into.

dror plz go.

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Admit it. EVE without dror would be the game's main feature.

>there's no sense of loss for 2-X billion ISK
Wew.

>>151651278
>five dreads a side is no different to five rifters a side
See above, plus the gameplay and sense of scale.

>>151650521
im not into PvP but he keeps killing me while i do missions or mine idk how he can afford to suicide with a hecate + good fit but he did it already 5 times on me and a few times on a friend

>>151651358
What gameplay difference is there between five dreads fighting five dreads, and five rifters fighting five rifters?

And do you now what I did when my dread died?

I went 'huh, that sucks', and bought a new one. 3b is not a lot of isk.

>>151651379
Post mail. Also hecates are really not expensive at all.

>>151651648
>What gameplay difference is there between five dreads fighting five dreads, and five rifters fighting five rifters?
A capital has a lot more standing ground than a Rifter. How is it not obvious?

>3b is not a lot of isk.
Not a real argument. Most players probably max out at 50m/hr.

>>151651648
oh yeah i just looked into it i thought t3 stuff ends in the 100+ mil but hecate really isnt expensive
i guess i will just stop mining in that sector and go somewhere else

>>151651937
Standing ground? What does that even mean?

And 50m/hr is sub level four mission income. It's sub totally AFK ratting in an ishtar money. If you can't make more than 50 fucking mil an hour then you're doing something badly wrong.

>>151652193
What the fuck do you imagine standing ground to suggest?

Not everybody has a cozy spot in nullsec to afk rat or whatever.

>>151650998
This is the most important thing "MUH QUICK ACCESS" fags fail to understand. Big cool ships are only cool because they take time to get into, easy access to them would just kill the game no one give a single shit about you welping fleets.

>A capital has a lot more standing ground than a Rifter.

not an argument.

Not everybody has the Ishtar unlocked or feels like grinding rep. I just PLEX anyway because PvE and scanning is boring.

>not a real arguement

Dror's post in a nutshell.

But it's not really dror, that man died months ago, just some weirdo masquerading as him for attention.

>>151652419
I have absolutely no idea what the fuck you mean. Do you think sitting perfectly still and shooting someone is an interesting part of pvp?

You make more than 50 mil running missions or especially incursions in fucking highsec.

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>I just plex

19th for stale memes

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When?

>>151652605
>Big cool ships are only cool because they take time to get into
>What is ISK making
Disregarding that, where's your research material as proof?

>b-but you don't have that
Power fantasy is common knowledge. There are multiple studies on MMO loyalty-developingn traits of games, qualia for interesting video games, and reasons to play (a la motivation theories).

>>151652623
How so? The original argument is the power fantasy.

>>151653109
>movement & logistics should be easier with investment

How old is that pic, m8? CCP are doing the exact fucking opposite.

>>151652824
Still or moving: KMs.

>>151653363
Quality content is a site rule.

>But if you have a rebuttal, why don't you post that instead

>>151653109
>mining
>investable

but how

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>mfw even dogfag recognizes dror for what he is
>implying im not the real dogfag

>>151653325
You missed the
>weak spot for big groups

Which is how it should be funny. But babbies got mad when their JFs were JUST marginally less safe and threw a fit that they couldn't import an entire doctrine fleet in a single hour with 0 danger.

>>151653439
Make dreads easy access, and a dread KM is worth no more than a tornado KM.

>>151653538
>this whole post

>>151653609
>acting ignorant
Pls stop posting.

what can i do about someone who keeps following me to suicide me ? idk how he even found me i jumped 16 jumps on a custom route and yet 2 days later he again suicides me

>dror
>actually replying to posts not linked to him

Look, you obviously aren't dror, first off, he's dead. Second off, Dror would never do that, he's too autistic realize that person was talking to him.

>>151653732
Post your lossmails. It smells like you're doing something wrong.

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>remove sp

that's even worse shitposting than the freckles and what's the best cereal faggotry from 2013.

>>151654005
>none of these people pictured here except guard still live to this day

RIP m80s

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>>151654005
Not an argument.

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>>151654194
Just like sp removal.

>>151654164
I'm still here m8, you know who. It's me.

>>151653663
So please explain how capital combat is any different to any other kind of combat m8. At no point have you even attempted to answer that one basic question in a way that makes any sense.

>>151654665
Fuck off Kevin.

inb4 it's different because I say so. Which is not an argument.

>>151654428
See the following.

>>151654774
The very first post answers that: it's easy-going, powerful, and the crux of what space games are often all about: big ships and lasers.

>>151653886
im just mining in 0,3-0,4 space he warps directly onto me scrams and webs me and kills me thats all

>>151655031
Easy going is not an argument, it's a conclusion.

>>151655031
...And that's different to literally any other kind of eve fight because...?

>>151655110
He's not suiciding you, you're in lowsec.

>>151654774
>>151655031
Also, a goal besides just making ISK -- an actual way to utilize it in the game. What is sov without capitals? What are capitals without flying them? More is better as much as the game's economy can support it. You can't prove this wrong.

>>151655302
Easy going isn't the main point.

>>151655110
>0,3-0,4 space

You can't mine there safely.

>>151655390
caps have little to do with sov these days.

>What is sov without capitals?

It would be sov. People would still be autistic without capitals.

m8, just stop. You have no arguments, you have no proof, you have nothing but your feelings.

>>151655372
it wasnt always in low sec he killed me twice while i was doing the career missions in high sec

he seems to follow me to kill me but idk why

Meme expert and master false-flagger here

Protip: The no SP guy and all the anti-no SP guys are the same guy

Feelings are not an argument btw.

>>151655783
Post Your Lossmail.

>>151656161
i will do later when im back from work i just made the kill right public and closed EVE that was enough frustration for today

>>151656897
What's your pilot name and I'll grab it off zkill

>>151657032
sorry but the last time i wrote it here in a post i got almost 1 bil bounty on my head

is this you

https://zkillboard.com/kill/55548237/

>>151657297
Bounty means nothing.

How are you going to post a lossmail without a name on it?

>>151655372
>...And that's different to literally any other kind of eve fight because...?
A capital can fight droves of other ships and stay on field. A capital can make loads of dosh.

>>151656005
Nobody says they are. See >>151653224

>>151657741
Power fantasy is not an argument, it's fantasy.

>>151657741
Any ship can fight off droves of smaller ships and stay on field. Any ship can make loads of dosh.

How is a five on five dread fight any different to a five on five frigate fight.

>>151657476
blur my name or something idk
>>151657409
nop didnt mine when he killed me today i was doing missions

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>>151657969
We can't help you with npo information friend. Give us your character name. Nobody gives a fuck about bounty.

To prove it, my main is Danika Princip, please bounty me I am bad.

>>151657854
Look it up, m8.

>>151657965
>Any ship can fight off droves of smaller ships and stay on field. Any ship can make loads of dosh.
Not true at all. "A rifter" isn't going to fight off multiples of anything, really, and even cruisers are going to get caught out by a proper frigate. Capitals are expensive and huge for a reason.

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>>151658665
>Look it up, m8.

Still not an argument.

Got any real arguments as to why it's good? So far all you have are your feelings, friend.

>>151658665
Smaller. Nothing much is smaller than a rifter.

properly fit, a cruiser will eat multiple frigates.

Improperly fit, a capital will die to a single battleship. Or a frigate gang.

How is a five on five cap fight any different to a five on five frigate fight.

>>151658878
Holy shit, nerd. You not having any idea isn't a counter argument.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/John_Sherry/publication/259583577_Video_game_uses_and_gratifications_as_predictors_of_use_and_game_preference/links/54dc196b0cf28d3de65e9fed.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Edward_Garrity2/publication/237151329_Player_Commitment_to_Massively_Multiplayer_Online_Role-Playing_Games_(MMORPG)_An_Integrated_Model/links/53fdc7af0cf2364ccc0905e9.pdf

>>151658246
i just need to go somewhere else maybe 0,9 secs where its expensive to kill me i guess he will stop someday

>>151659150
He can kill you anywhere if he really wants to.

Post a fucking mail so we can give advice.

>>151659047
>How is a five on five cap fight any different to a five on five frigate fight
There's no reason to ask this question over and again with other topics to explore and it already being answered in this thread.

>>151651358
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>>151659148
So now it's not your feelings, but the feelings of some strangers in those links.

Post some real arguments, kid.

>>151659623
M8, explaining what you like about video games is simple logic. You have no rebuttal.

Go look up motivation theories if so interested.

>>151659490
Those are not answers. 'standing ground' is a meaningless term, there's zero gameplay difference or scale difference.

>Theories

There is a reason they're called theories.

Wew, let's have another round of not an argument.

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Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that the navy caracal and navy drake need a buff.

>>151659287
i will just play on my alt for a while but thanks anyways

>>151659840
Can you really not contextualize "standing ground"? Have the internet?

>>151659993
>the theory of gravity doesn't have any merit

>>151660635
Explain what the fuck you mean. Because unless you literally just mean sitting still, I have no clue.

>>151660567
does he use the same ship everytime ? (hecate??)
because you could try to get a few friends together and bait him if you do that 4-5 times and he loses his ship everytime + pod he will most likely stop

>>151660825
Nah, I'm set. This thread cant hold up its end of the conversation.

>>151660796
not an argument

>>151660962
>uses a meaningless phrase
>refuses to explain it
>NAH YOU GUYS JUST SUCK IM OUT

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>small gang forms up
>somebody asks if he can bring his maller

>>151660865
all my friends ingame are miner or PvE only and noone of us has the slightest idea how to PvP and even less how to fit a ship properly

>>151663040
Post a fucking mail so we can help.

>hiding your identity from /eog/

Ogga-bogga weez guna hont u dwn

>>151663040
At least post your fit, there is nothing we can do to help with such limited information.

did anyone bother with a polarized kestrel?

>>151663772
i dont have a fit anymore since he destroyed my last destroyer i used to rat i only have a covetor now and its fitted with 3 mod strip miner IIs and nothing else because if it gets ganked its dead anyways

>>151664336
>>>/zkillboard/

>>151664336
>covetor

Well there's your problem. Covetors have no tank. Fly a procurer, put shield extenders and adaptive invulnerability fields in the mid slots, put a damage control and a mining laser upgrade in the lows, use medium core defense field extender rigs, carry ecm drones. Suddenly you have several times the effective health you had in a covetor and no one wants to gank you any more.

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So, why did RvB quit, and are they back, or is this a tax exploit on the name?

>>151664336
>Single-sentence posts without any punctuation or at least capital letters

Typical intelligence level of the average miner

>>151665513
I bet he doesn't even follow the code.

>>151665134
They no longer have programs or services but they still exist and are still at war.

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>>151663772
>>151664873
this was my fit i dicked around in when he killed me (i know its shit and borderline useless probably but its enough against NPCs)

>>151665513
this is true im way too retarded for everything but mining thats why i do it ^^

>>151666686
>corax

I'm so sorry.

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caw

>>151667604
What mishie are you running?

>>151667312
i took it because it looks like a submarine ; - ;

>>151668348
It's just about the worst ship going friend, I'm sorry.

>>151668484
what is a good destroyer for ratting?

>>151668950
Confessor is what I use :^)

for T1, Algos maybe?

>>151669265
what fit for confessor? i have T3 destroyers for gallente , caldari and amarr unlocked i just dont like to use so expensive ships for something that doesnt get me alot ISK

>>151669927
also im very shit at PvP so when another player attacks me it doesnt matter what ship i have i will die anyways

>>151669927
some generic 10mn PVP thing. It needs faction mods and implants to work. If t3ds are expensive for you, just use a cheap vexor.

Isn't there a dual web Merlin that rocks?

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>>151668484
>memes

>>151670269
i have enough ISK (23 bil atm) but i just dont like spending 100 mil on a ship that wont make it back in the next weeks or ever and the fact that insuring a t3 destroyer doesnt even come close to get me money back doesnt make it better

>>151670629
...m8, you have enough isk for a super, why do you even care about a destroyer loss?

Just rat in an ishtar or a gila or whatever people use these days.

or a carrier if you have a nice null pocket.

>>151670819
i wont buy a big ship while im still completely retarded in regards to fitting and PvP what use is a battleship to me if i lose it against a well fitted cruiser because i am retarded

>>151671087
You have twenty three billion.

Join a corp and learn how to play.

What's the appeal of T3Ds?

>>151672571
They're broken as shit

>>151671216
i dont like socialising in corps so i just mine all day on my second screen while playing something else on the main screen being drunk also helps in having fun in EVE

>>151672834
You made enough to buy a super from mining? Are you okay?

>>151672801
I mean.. so is dual-web anything, and that's much cheaper. Even a neut Vexor would be super fun.

>>151673113
Dual web isn't broken.

Destroyer fleets smashing the shit out of battlecruisers or faction battleships is broken.

>>151673054
send help [/spiler]

>>151673519
why the fuck did that get spoilered when i typoed

soo i bought a hecate i guess i armor tank it looking at the stupid resistance it gets in defensive?

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>going on small, medium gang roams
>mfw nobody ever primaries me
>mfw always top of damage
>mfw that one guy who loses his ships 4 times on that same roam every roam

Hey, All Out. I haven't even been on comms yet, but is anything in the planning?

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>>151675576
You should ask this in r/eve, those guys browse reddit most of the time.

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>joining allout

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was that one of you guys? that was the first random invitation to a duel i ever got

Hey Benji are you here?

ded thread

What would you enjoy discussing, kind anon?

>that one guy in Spaceship Bebop

>34s BG queues
Yes.

>>151683724
woops. not the correct thread.

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one time i attacked 2 drifter battleships 40 secs before downtime with my navy mega and got killed 1 sec before downtime i think i didnt touch EVE for months after that

>anything wrong with being in a fac war group

Why? It's tons of fun.

>>151684521
>have to buy your shit with alts
>half your targets are blue
>the other half are stabbed cucks or blob you at gates and stations without aggroing sentries
Is there anything not wrong with it?

anyone wants to roam decon with a drunk noob with too much ISK ?

>>151685208
I would.

Zoltan Cole.

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>>151685428
y u playing with my feelings ; - ;

>>151685173
>doesn't always buy with alts

I mean unless you're stupid, if you wanna live in lowsec you'll not bother staying above -5.

>half your targets are blue

Not really, no one area in lowsec is dominated by ONE fac war group, even if yours is larger there will always be tons of randos and pirate groups roaming around

>muh blobbing at stations

Any station they can dock at you can't anyways. Blobbing another faction's station is pretty much always stupid as they can just dock up and wait to get large enough to force you try and warp off.
>abloo abloo gates

You'll get blobbed at gates anyways, cry a fucking river.

>>151685895
Just joined a WoW BG. Fleet type?

I can do like 30M.

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Or you don't join FW and just live in lowsec and shoot everything.

>>151686317
you used alot abbreviations i guess you udnerestimate how drunk i am but if 30m means 30 minutes dont bother and do your thing ^^ i dont want to bother anyone

>>151686615
30 million

It'll be like 10 minutes, cause I'm getting dinner.

>>151686595
>missing out on literally FREE money

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>>151686753
oh well im here all night until i finally pass out^^

/eog/, can we fly a talwar fleet?

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why am i playing interactive desktop simulator for so long when i could do something productive instead

>>151686946
I'm on.

>>151688842
>as if you're actually doing stuff

>>151688888
>>151688889

>>151689040
im mining all the time nonstop

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:o)

>>151690168
yes this is a hecate

train t2 guns

>>151690168
hecate, btw

I was going to FC this little fleet. Any interest? Come.

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This is from a popular YTer/Redditer. It doesn't really have resists? But it's fast, and that's what I'm on about flying. 200DPS at 20k on a MWD frig (150 with my SP though).

Help?

>barrage

When did EFT stop doing tracking in .xyz?

>>151694050
There's literally no reason for anything else. It has projection well into 20k, and the RLMLs up that.

>>151694356
Barrage kiting is kinda garbage. Unless you're in null where it kinda works.

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>>151693893
I guess this would probably be more effective?

How necessary are the tracking mods?

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>frigate dps on a cruiser
>"I'm gonna use this cruiser to fight frigates"

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>>151694571
With drones *

>>151695216
>304 DPS
>frigates
Really though, I get 175 at 20k with DPS-rones

>>151695516
that's the problem anon. An incursus could just kill your drones and then tank you until you got bored.

Further complicating this, if it's a random solo frigate it's either gonna be a REALLY fast mwd frigate that tries to engage you OR it'll just run away from you. Even more likely though is that it will just try to tackle you and help it's gang show up and murder you, which makes it hard for you because you have anemic DPS and can't just blast the frigate and run.

>>151695873
An incursus couldn't ever catch me.

>>151696095
It doesn't need to. It can just ignore you.

>>151696192
>can't catch me
>thus can't outrun me
OK.

>>151696770
>it can literally outrep your damage after it kills your drones

?!?

>>151696914
It probably can't.

Double-repper cap booster is a meme anyway. If I can't break his tank, I just outty.

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>I expect 100% application of my shitty dps in deep falloff while autismally orbiting at 20km with MWD on while shooting a frigate

>can't even run just MWD but for 2.5 min.
The fug is this trough.

>evict everyone that can fight you
>cry about not getting fights
Just HK things

>>151675167
don't meme me bro

So, when did this game become unresponsive to commands and whatnot. I've been above 75% to warp multiple times, and I even cancelled out of this one to nothing.

newbie here about to do nullsec exploration
in scan results in dscan, is PvP is enough to detect ships and combat probes? Im too lazy and dont know how to configure overwiev correctly

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>I'm too lazy
>null explo

>>151694084
What's this tracking value? Can it show transversal again?

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Kangz.

>brutor: the alliance

>Amarr: the poster

>page
>1
>0

>>151707049
f a g
a
g

Bring back learning skills. Lets weed out all the newfags.

>>151708012
They were pointless though

>>151708814
So is SP.

fuck off dror

>>151710315
That's not an argument.

I hope they bring back ship substructure individual skills.
Recon Amarr, Minmatar logi V and so on.
Also command ships should require all the links specializations, warfare specialization.
Also caps and BLOPS should require all shield and armor compensation

>>151710501
>>151710964
Listen.

>she didn't provide an argument

She says SP is pointless because it develops no gameplay. Newbies are shit because they can't really fly anything decent enough to practice proficiency. That's emptiness.

>muh newbies

>>151713653
PCU.

>>151714859
dcu*

who cares

When did joining Goonswarm become the new meme

Looking at you, [KEK] and Stunt

>>151715343
It's not a meme, they're just cucks.

>>151715490
cuck is a meme

>>151716210
Yes but here is literally pre-meme definition true.

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>>151652884
holy shit that face

>>151700264
Probably. Also, get someone else's overview, no one actually makes their own.

>>151700264
>>151717287
the simple update is just adding backgrounds to neutrals

Im this anon >>151700264
Just made 54 mln from 2 relic and 2 data sites in null
making money that way is piss easy, though through the first 20 systems or so i didnt found any site.

Post your favorite eve memes
>new player experience
>fight club
>rolfos

>>151718564
Don't celebrate until you are out of there and sell it

>>151719848
Dont worry i got it already in a station in low sec
And of course i wont be hauling it in 1 run
i would take 10-11mln and make 5 runs to high sec station connected to jita to store it there
then take all from this station in high sec and fly to jita
time consuming, but safe method. I played a MMO with similar brutal PvP mechanics to eve, it taught me to avoid danger and be smart

>>151720502
I often haul 4b at a time. 50m aint really much

>>151720632
You probably use an occator or something and he seems like a newfag.

>>151720502
Hauling things in instawarping frigates is very safe as long as you are aware of smartbombs and warp bubbles. Warp bubbles don't work in lowsec, but smartbombing battleships can kill you easily if you aren't using a properly tanked ship.

>>151661749
>Mallers
>not fucking shit up.
https://zkillboard.com/related/30002016/201608140200/

>>151721715
>every maller ded
lmao

Completely super brand fucking new. Was just wondering if anyone wanted to recruit a friend me or whatever.

I know absolutely nothing about the game, but I'll start doing research when I get home from work. I'm not sure if there's any advantage to playing with a new player, but I'm down if anyone would like to show me what's what.

>>151722815
Post your email.

>>151722815
Post an email address and someone will send you an invite.

>>151722815
http://pastebin.com/hyZ8N0NS

What made you decide to pick up eve when you know nothing about it, and what sort of stuff are you interested in doing?

>>151650638
Is there a good page to summarize updates to Eve, other than the updates page on their homepage? I feel their descriptions are very vague. Havn't played since 2014, wondering if it's time to take another look.

>>151723219
I too had the same problem a while back, but i was told to fuck off to google. I had to literally read through every single devblog to find out major new features. Fuck you /eog/

>>151723279
Did you resub?

>>151722878
>>151723109
Does it have to be the email associated with the account?

>>151723162
That "This is EVE" video and my hours got cut a work so I have an assload of free time now. Just looking to burn time between wage slaving so life doesn't feel so long.

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>>151723219
I'll try to list the things that seem like major shit to me:
Infinite skill queues
Skillpoint Trading (price is market driven, so ultra expensive)
No longer pay for upgrading clones to cover skillpoints
Tech 3 destroyers, they are ultra-op (of course)
some new logistis carriers that i don't give a fuck about
Jump Fatigue
Multi-buy, Multi-sell
new UI shit (it'll look different)

That's all i can remember atm

>>151723398
Yeah, although the new world of warcraft expansion might pull me back again in 10 days, we'll see

>this is eve
>wow expansion

>>151723606
Thanks man. Have you noticed any power creep? I'm myself playing wow again since wotlk, but this god damned power creep is putting me off.

>>151723606
>SP trading
How expensive is it compared to simply training? Also does this mean you can immediately PLEX to a decent combat/trading char on day one if you have the money?

>>151723950
It's still cheaper to just plex an account and wait for the queue, to the point where it's profitable to have extra characters training just to sell their SP off.

You can inject as much SP as long as you have the money, but there are diminishing returns.

>>151724136
Yeah, I'd guess as such as people selling SP are spending time while people buying SP are gaining it immediately

What do you mean by diminishing returns? Is there a limit on how much you can inject?

I haven't played since 2013 and the changes really seem to be interesting, but the concurrent play counts don't really paint a bright picture on EVE's future, so I'm conflicted.

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>>151723950
pic related, however those arent jita 4-4 prices
Basically on a sub 5m sp character you get 500k sp, 7.7 days of training at 2700 sp/hr, for ~620 million

I'm in a situation where i have fair ammount of SP, but very little isk, so i might buy some extractors to get rid of useless skills.

>>151724307
>Is there a limit on how much you can inject?

No, but the more SP you have the less you get from injectors. It's 20% less after 5 million and 40% after 50.

>>151723950
>>151724307
Also there was this guy:
http://massivelyop.com/2016/02/15/eve-player-uses-28000-of-skill-injectors-to-create-max-character/

>>151723453
>Does it have to be the email associated with the account?
I'm not sure, but try to use that one if you can.
If it's really inconvenient, post any email.

>>151724419
>>151724497
Thanks for the clear answer.

>>151724507
I'd've thought it'd be a lot more expensive. $28k doesn't seem too bad, for a maxed char.

>>151724768
To add: not to mention the 20 years training time. I'm actually really happy with this change.

>>151723606
>>151723729
>>151723950
I forgot another new feature:
Citadels, some sort of cross between POS and Outposts, can be anchored in all space (even wormholes?), you can dock in them, can have market orders, contracts (since a few days ago?), and ore compression. They're supposed to eventually be a replacement of POS (and also outposts?)

>>151725142
Even highsec? Can anyone anchor these things in like say, Jita?

>>151725209
I think you don't get to anchor it in Jita, but you can anchor it in wormholes, which is where most of them are.
And also where most of them get blown up.

>>151725209
You can't anchor them in trade hubs. Except Hek, for some reason.

>>151725209
yeah, see >>151724419 image
"Frarn - Babylon 4 Market 0.0%" is a Citadel in a 0.8 system. The tax rate is set by the owner.

>>151725209
Not sure about jita but there are a load of citadels being used as trade hubs in perimeter.

Everyone wants their citadel to become the new jita because they'd make enough tax money to do whatever they want.

>>151725142
Are they destroyable? I just watched the trailer and it was pretty nice. Carriers looks a lot more promising

>>151725260
>>151725307
>>151725326
>>151725328
Thanks. These are really interesting changes.

>>151725328
Are they actually being used instead of jita 4-4? I feel that would be a sad day, even though I really like the player driven aspect

>>151725367
https://zkillboard.com/kills/citadels/

>>151725367
They are but dealing with them is a massive pain if you can't do it before they come online. Destroying the largest citadel in a wormhole is basically impossible unless it's abandoned, and no one is going to abandon a keepstar.

>>151725443
Not sure how many people are actually trading in perimeter but there are several seeded markets there.

Why do I feel this thread is a lot more friendly during Asian/Aussie hours?

>>151725648
It's also middle of the day on a sunday in EU

>13:55
>aussie

>>151725648
The dedicated shitposters are asleep, leaving only actual people and casual shitposters.

>>151725553
I see. Just read that everything inside the citadel is spared though. What a shame. Hope they finally fix warfare links, it's such an easy fix. Just make them affect only those on grid or within 250km and they would be infinitely more fun than they are now.

>>151726042
But there are still falcon alts

>>151726042
>Just read that everything inside the citadel is spared though.
Sortof.
Wormhole citadels work differently and last time we blew one up, we spent over an hour hauling all the loot out.

kspace citadels deposit all the shit somewhere in an NPC station, then you have to pay a portion of the value to get it all back.

>>151726042
Off grid links are getting fixed "soon".

>>151726097
I don't see falcons on a regular basis. We also now have ECCM scripts for sensor boosters.

>>151726190
Oh, we do now? Damn, I need get back into the game when time permits.

>>151726245
I doesn't work at all when ecm is still broken.

>>151726135
IIRC they were getting a fix when I left two years ago

>>151726315
That's why soon was in quotation marks, ccp keep talking about fixing links and not doing it.

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>>151726135
>"soon".

>>151726272
It significantly reduces the odds of getting jammed in a fight.

If you're on your own, you will still get raped by a fleet with a blackbird, but you will also get raped by any other fleet, so it doesn't really matter.

Also, T3Ds. which are the current cancer have sharpshooter mode which increases your resistance to jams.

>>151726042
Are you fully aware of how big grids are now?

>>151726426
No. If they are bigger I guess within 250km works

>there is no current meme "le overpowered" null blob fleet ship right now

>>151726405
I literally doesn't matter how much sensor strength you have. One hornet will still fuck you.

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>>151726485
>bigger

3000km

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>>151726623

>>151726623
Sometimes grids are larger, i had to burn 22'000 km to change grid once.

>>151726594
I've read some dumb shit, but this probably tops this week's list.

If this was even remotely true, the game would be nothing but thoraxes with hornet EC-s

>>151726623
Imagine if negative tracking bug was discovered only now.

>>151726763
Mags would be so much fucking fun. Could you imagine the shitstorm if HK got their shit stomped by something like this in a c6 magnetar?

They would literally drown reddit in their butthurt.

>>151721246
>4b
>in an ocator

holy fuck you are retarded

>download the launcher
>download game
>create account
>log into game
>unplayably slow
>log out
>"download everything" option in the settings

What? Why would I not want to download everything? RIP my first day of the trial. I guess I'll just make another trial account tomorrow.

>>151727921
At least he's not this guy
https://zkillboard.com/kill/40418011/

>>151728048
Those prices are skewed. You can check the current prices of the items and it's no where near that.

>>151728543
Those prices might have been historically accurate. I have a killmail with the same thing going on.

>>151728543
Oh fugg
It's more like 5.13b Jita Sell on evepraisal right now

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>Nestor

>oneiros

Who is your shipfu?

>>151735664
Apparently the dominix, according to zkill.

>>151736048
>not infected dominix

>CCP couldn't figure out how to make smuggling work so they just made drugs globally legal

Fucking retards in charge.

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>WFM i've been flying the bowhead since it was introduced and only five minutes ago did I notice all the tiny animations when it enters and exits warp

Holy shit, there's vents that slide closed, the entire engine armature slides in towards the body of the ship, covers flip into place and all of it completely obscured by the violent camera shaking.

Rapid light missiles or heavy missiles on a Caracal?

>>151736148
dude weed lmao

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I don't want it to die

>>151736895
Rapid light missiles.

>>151738071
When was it that they purged an assload of afk/multiboxing accounts that weren't "real" players, again?

>>151736636
>People actually fly the bowhead

Isn't that thing basically just a giant loot pinata with a huge neon "PLEASE SUICIDE ME" sign on it? I actually like hauling shit around, but I laughed my ass off at the thought of anyone seriously using one of those things in highsec.

>>151739381
The intended use for the bowhead is moving around infarction ships but I often find myself using it to move around high-sec mining groups for the corp, it moves a good amount more ships than the orca can.

I agree with you though, it's just a toy, not a real worthwhile ship. Still it's not like they're expensive.

>>151738071
>imagine playing EVE
>all by yourself

>>151740058
I just spin my Tengu all day while listen to my corpmates talk shit. Truly the best way to spend my EVE time.

>>151737705
>>151736148
why couldnt they just be smuggled ininterceptors and t2 transports that cant be cargo scanned?

it was literally THIS simple! You cant even USE drugs anyway, i dont see the point in having them.

>>151740175
>You cant even USE drugs anyway
U wot? You mean in hisec? It was legalized recently.

>>151740260
your character cant ingest them for gainz. anywhere.

>>151740175
You can't reasonably have a ship with built-in smuggling abilities because obviously Concord would be on the fucking lookout for a ship like that.

But a module that added a small unscannable smuggling hold to a ship would make sense.

Also what are you talking about m8 I pop boosters constantly.

>>151740058
>No dickheads
>No AFK cloakers
>No hellcamps
>No monotonous gatecamps
>No weaponized boredom
>No whining
>Just flying a spaceship around

Add some modding support so we can add in stocked markets and some halfway-interesting NPC encounters, and I'd probably play it.

are NPC convoys still a thing? I remember hitting them often in my battle iteron back in 2004.

>>151724768
>$28k doesn't seem too bad, for a maxed char.
I'd like some of those drugs, pls. That price is absolutely ludicrous for an MMO.

>>151740476
Yeah except the only drop trash items worth like 10K now

>>151741708
Considering you'll need to train for 20 years normally to get there, $28k is not bad at all for a shortcut. I agree that for a character of an MMO (that's about to die in a few years) the price is ridiculous.

>>151741708
Compared to more casual MMOs like WoW it's absurd, yes, but there are a lot of grindy korean MMOs out there where people pay thousands of dollars just to upgrade their equipment to +20 or whatever, and that's not to mention the months if not years of grinding it takes to get to max level in those games.

>>151726116
>kspace citadels deposit all the shit somewhere in an NPC station, then you have to pay a portion of the value to get it all back.
That's so fucking dumb. This is supposed to be a sandbox, not a fairy teleporter happy land.

>>151741918
Interbus or some other NPC corp does it.

>>151740175
>>151740367
Items in wraps and containers already can't be scanned by ordinary players. It makes no sense that Concord can if that's the case.

>>151738954
Jan. '15, announced in November '14.

>>151741881
>popular MMOs like WoW
Fixed for relevance. Nobody outside of chinks gives a shit about grindy chink games.

Is it possible to make a modest profit manufacturing or inventing in highsec stations? Not looking to rock the world, mostly just do it for the hell of it as long as I can keep it in the green.

When I tried running numbers, maybe I sandbagged too hard or looked at the wrong items, but I couldn't find anything that would qualify even as a worthwhile side-project to station trading, and most of it was just straight-up losses.

>>151742491
Station trading (market making) blows industry out of the water in terms of profit. If you don't have nice T2 BPOs, don't bother.

>>151714859
>>151714889
>who cares
Who doesn't? They should get fucked so that their demeanor possibly improves.

>>151742475
In terms of overall population and profit Lineage and Lineage II are still within the top 10 easily. Just because most of the playerbase is from asia doesn't change that.

>>151741708
>>151741874
>>151741881
You guys are comparing this shit to games with linear "my numbers are bigger than your numbers" progression.

That $28k character can fly all the titans, all the capitals, all the battleships, research and manufacture all the things, manage all the stations, mine and refine everything, and do all of it perfectly. You'd be absolutely retarded if you thought you could make use of even a fraction of that character's "potential".

Eve's not designed around needing a maxed-out character, so the cost of buying one is completely irrelevant.

>>151743061
>Eve's not designed around needing a maxed-out character, so the cost of buying one is completely irrelevant.
That's not true at all. Nobody comes to the game and says "oh, it's nice that I don't have to get the chance to experience the full sandbox".

Anybody could take advantage of every game mechanic, and with all the options, they could do it efficiently. Perfect station trading, production, taking advantage of reprocessing margins, saving up a simple 1.5B for a capital and getting dank bounty ticks of like 200M.

Sure, maybe if everybody could fly capitals and make dank bounties, PLEX prices would surge and nobody could afford it. Or maybe the PCU increases because it's fucking logical supply and demand (supplying what subs demand) and everything stays pretty even.

>>151743482
Also, not everybody's interested in AFK ratting, obviously. Furthermore, these things sort of stay a secret, if for nothing else than trying it is potentially expensive. Players don't do the nullsec thing often until they figure out that avoiding gatecamps is quite simple.

>>151743482
>a capital
>all four titan skills, projectiles, lasers, railguns, missiles, drones, shields, armor, all forms of ewar, and somehow mining all the while

A maxed out character is pointless and worthless. If you want to talk "a capital", then talk "a capital", which doesn't take anywhere close to $28k or 20 years to fly.

For a PI setup making t2 items what's the most efficient number of basic/advanced processors? Different guides recommend different setups. Is it different depending on the quantity of t0 items being mined?

>>151743857
>all the while
Not an argument. Nobody's suggesting they're trying to do these simultaneously or whatever, but if they're in nullsec with a mining barge and links on fleet, while they're at work, why wouldn't they take advantage of that? That trend is toward more playtime, just from having more shit to do.

Science would suggest that they would feel more relevant and competent from maxed SP as well, leading to increased game loyalty (more subbing and more interest).

>>151743872
With command center upgrades 4, get 2 advanced, 4 basic, 2 extractors with max heads.
Add storage if you want to be maximum lazy about it.

>>151744029
>That trend is toward more playtime, just from having more shit to do.
Oh my GOD, non-SP posting comes with such logic and grace.

>>151744029
>Science would suggest that they would feel more relevant and competent from maxed SP as well
hahha fucking what?

>>151745310
>providing stuff for their corp
>experiencing a full sandbox
>not being able to blame ship losses on fitting and stat skills

>blaming ship lossess

>>151745536
Have you ever had sub-5M SP?

By allowing players to fly everything limitless, you are removing the carrot. A life goal, even in such a trivial activity as video games is necessary to keep the plebs engaged. Remove SP and you remove a goal for people to reach. Removal of SP means people getting quickly bored, losing ships in more embarrassing ways which sticks to their killboards for other people to laugh at.

One could argue that you can remove currency as well, as it leads to trivial and boring gameplay.

Thus SP removal is not an argument, it is a disastrous plot to crash and burn eve, so elite dangerous can take over.

>>151745582
t. salty vets that wonder why this game is dying

>>151745582
>By allowing players to fly everything limitless, you are removing the carrot.
Stopped reading.

Post proofs. Because making ISK to afford, then flying ships is a goal. It's getting good at the game. Why would you imagine instruments are learned and played? It feels good to master it. Do teh

>>151745582
>elite dangerous can take over
Did they completely change literally everything about that game since the last time I tried it? Because it was utter shit in every way then.

>>151745712
* Do they stop playing it after they learn it? Of course not.

>>151745582
>One could argue that you can remove currency as well
You're strawmanning this much, which implies you're trolling, which makes your post irrelevant.

In any case, the instrument example is already one that proves your shitty argument incorrect.

>>151745712
But didn't you hear? Watching numbers go up is literally the only motivator in any video game in existence! That's why nobody plays any game that isn't WoW or Cookie Clicker.

>>151745710
>let the game be flooded by dumb newfags who thin their screaming matters if they scream hard enough

>>151745731
It's still shit. Not really an mmo and the DEVs are bending over if any way of "griefing" is discovered.

>>151746036
>dumb newfags who thin their screaming matters
Not an argument. We were discussing the actual benefits of SP in a general manner, not your appeal to extreme drivel.

>>151746123
>not your appeal to extreme drivel
Your post was "t. salty vets"
Lmao faggot.

>>151745712
The proof is in the logic behind it. Removing a feature that keeps the game alive is not an option.

There is no proof that eve would survive without SP. Go ahead and post a video game that had a SP like system, then got removed and is still doing well.

>>151746579
>Removing a feature that keeps the game
Post proofs.

>Go ahead and post a video game that had a SP like system, then got removed and is still doing well
>asking for something so niche
Few other games are dumb enough to have a system like SP gating 20y of content. They realize players enjoy actually playing.

>20y of content
wat? also you didn't answer the question lmao

>>151746675
>Few other games are dumb enough to have a system like SP gating 20y of content. They realize players enjoy actually playing.

So you have no proof then. Come back when you have something to back your arguments with, friend. I mean other than your feelings.

>>151747039
>>151747162
There isn't a question in that post.

If you're talking about the "example", there hasn't even been a decent sandbox game since this or SWG. Yet SWG featured "the quickest progression of any MMO during its time" and claimed success multiples more than any game at their studio.

Furthermore, I'm the one posting science facts. Your half-assed deflections don't make the pro-SP argument sound. At all. Nothing does, because it's not a system that has any positive effects except making CCP money (which isn't arguably exclusive to SP because of how it affects player interest -- they would probably make more money on PLEX from a decent PCU than with character and SP sales, not to mention the latter reducing the former from free alts).

>>151747373
Eve survived for over a decade with SP, as opposed to SWG.

Your deflections at posting no proof yet again won't work here.

SP is keeping eve alive and it's thanks to SP that eve survived for this long. The proof is eves survival.

Nothing supports the remove SP argument.

Post proofs.

>>151747729
Not an argument, m8. EVE surviving through SP isn't surviving because of SP.

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>The o7 Show Airs Tonight At 20:00 UTC!

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>We'll be sitting down with CCP Fozzie and CCP Masterplan to discuss the future, and there'll also be a chat with video maker and spaceship guru Rhiload about his awesome Zkill Ship Guides. In addition to this, we'll also be playing some fun games with our player commentators who'll be joining us in October for the upcoming Alliance Tournament, and taking a look at what the EVE community has been up to in recent weeks!

>>151747803
Your 'feeling' that eve didn't survive because of SP is not an argument. It is a feeling.

All facts point that eve survived thanks to SP.

>>151747943
No, because I can post research on games and motivation that suggest the complete opposite. Even CCP states so, through "intrinsic vs extrinsic motivation", which you've probably already watched.

>>151747943
>Anyone who has been playing this game even a remotely long amount of time has IV and V in all the skills relevant to the shit they do
>"Oh but they'd totally quit if they didn't have more skills to train!"

>>151732880
>>151732787
both great ships