/dsg/ - Souls General

First for fuck /bbg/

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I wonder how the scholar guys found out that wax prevents these ghost hands from attacking you.
Was it during perverted wax games that someone bumped into a bookshelf and was like "OH SHIT" but then realized the hands don't hurt anymore?
I need details here

>>150622546
Stay mad shitposter :^)

>>150622437
>my friend and I have burned through over 700 red orbs the past two weeks in SoTFS
>hurr invasions never happen

>>150622005

Anybody?

Lads what a good line up of miracles to use for invasions besides sunlight spear and lightning stake and also why the Fuck doesn't gnaw track

>>150622896
Great heal

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th for Catacombs invasions are fun

>>150622896
>what a good line up of miracles to use for invasions besides sunlight spear and lightning stake

But...you just listed all of them. Get force to push people off cliffs I guess

>>150622809
I do anon you are on pc

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>we have /dsgg/ now

>>150622896
Some healing for when you run away from a gank-spank and don't want to waste regular estus?

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>>150617431

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How exactly does Farron and Aldrich summon work?
That awful wiki says you invade 20 levels down which sounds pants on head retarded, I assume it's actually 20 levels up similar to red orb invasions?

>>150623028
yup, meet on high wall pls. pw dsg like always

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Could some 212 meta madman post FUGS buffed with crystal magic weapon?

>>150622968
>fat ninja proceeding at high speed.jpg

>>150623094
On my way

How do you use the Gundyr's Halberd WA? Strong attack isn't working.

>>150622968
H-he's fast!

>>150623094
My sign is down anon it's the absolute madman sign

>>150622896
Bountiful Sunlight + blessed infusions for max HP regen

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>>150622968
>>150623174

God damn it, anon

>>150623365
Thanks a lot, anon.

>Using unparriable attacks on players who parry 100 times in a row
Is there anything better?

>>150623475
Np

>>150622896
Lightning storm is good, but only very situationally like when you're in a small corridor. In my experience the health regen gained from bountiful sunlight/other restoration spells don't help too much in invasions, unless you are up against a host that is running all the time and you have time for the miracle to actually be useful

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>Dragon's Souls
>Next Soul's Series

anyone has a good mod that darkens catacombs? already using some sweetfx but cant get that DS1 feeling

>>150623514
I hope you parry spam after they die anon.

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>>150623570
>>Next Soul's Series

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Hyper mode build, how would you do it

>>150623627
>that gif
wheres the recoil?

>>150623703
...wish I had time to join the next official™ /dsg/ pc fc

>>150623638
Dragon stone, RTSR, Morion's, Sunlight buff, Warcry, Yhorm's, Maaaaaybe flinn's, possibly activating pontiff's eye with a dagger before smack down with Yhorm's

>>150623916
I'm glad you don't

>>150623916
You forgot your Kekklyon image

>PCucks still so mad they'll never ever get bloodborne they feel the need to remove it from the general
kek stay mad kiddos
also by the way consoles are taking back /dsg/, leave before i use my ultimate weapon

>>150624171
uhh if Bloodborne is so good then how come it cant sustain its own general???

>>150624171
>not having a ps3, ps4 and pc to play all souls games
what are you doing here?

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>>150624156
I'm actually not cuckyoin.
I'm this fag over here

>>150624171
I don't care if the generals are joined or not, but if /bbg/ wants it, then let's stop having two threads, because theirs being alive shows they don't seem to want to join things either

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>>150624317
FUGS users unite!

>>150623367
>Bountiful Sunlight + blessed infusions for max HP regen
Speaking of hp regen, do the regen stack if you equip more than 1 blessed weapon?
Let's say I have a blessed shield and a blessed weapon, will they both regenerate my hp?

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>>150623916
Next one will probably happen in 10 hours ish, or when I'm at work.

How am I meant to get these Blade Grasses with a Watchdog invasion happening once every 3 years?

I'd rather not farm Ghru forever...

>>150624285
>having a pc
>to play souls games
why are you fucking retarded?
>>150624238
you mean the thread that's up and have over 600 posts?
yeah sure is dead, fucking retard pcuck
>>150624347
only reason is because PCucks are Pathetic Children that will literally throw a non-stop shitpost tantrum because a game they cant play is being discussed, like some real fuckin pathetic shit

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>>150623051
The time has come and so have I.

>>150624517
uhh if the Bloodborne general is alive and well then why would you need to taint it by merging it with our Pee & exCrement filth?

>>150624489
Well, I'm gonna be asleep in 10 hours
>mfw living in europe.

Whenever I try to host one nobody comes because nobody's online.

>>150624612
did you not read the last line?
consoles are taking back what belongs to us, all you PCucks need to fuck off, go make your own dsgpc
oh wait none of you ever do because you know it'll die for sure, meanwhile consoles has all 5 games to discuss

>>150624479
Yes. Regen also is higher on upgraded weapons.
Also Anri's SS regens health, so you can use it plus a buff for good damage if you have 30+ luck.

FUGS or Yhorm's Machete ?

>>150624792
>Regen also is higher on upgraded weapons
Wait, are you sure? I remember that that was one of the main gripes that people had with blessed/simple infusions, was that they didn't scale.

Thanks for the info. Time to make a regen build

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>>150624517
The only one throwing a tantrum currently is you.

>>150624873
yhorms memechete

>platform wars
>again
oh boy just what this general needed

>>150624787
normally i'd consider this bait but i genuinely think you're this retarded

>>150624787
uhh so why don't you go on ahead and make a /dsgcmrgfwwaao/ as in dark souls general for the console master race of good fun well adjusted adults online?

>just killed abyss watchers while fully cosplaying Artorias

Is there anything that's edgier?

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that's it, time to drop the nuke on the hiroshima PCucks
get the fuck out PCucks

>>150625090
One retard a war does not make.

>>150625205
Doing it with 3 edgewatcher phantoms

>>150625205
you forgot the legion etiquette gesture

Dude. Could someone help my lvl 20 twink with Pontiff
Pass dsg Church of Yorshka bonfire, will pay in Homeward Bones

>>150624873
The decision comes down to playstyle. Yhorm's has higher AR, but it can't to 2HR1 in a row I'm pretty sure. FUGS has a more animations on its normal attacks, Yhorm's has a more useful WA, but again, it depends on if you want a greataxe moveset or FUGS moveset mostly

Christ people, this is /dsg/ not /cwg/. Stop console war shitposting and try to have some semblance of dark souls conversation.

>>150625372
i can try

>>150625372
im eating a taco right now
typed vwith one gand

>>150625236
>actually having autism
Wew

>>150625638
>posting proof of how cancerous pcucks are
>w-w-w-w--w-w-w-w-w-wew a-a-a-a-a-a-utism i dont have a actual counter arguement
KEK
FUCK OFF PKEKS

>>150623097
I'm still here someone please

>>150625787
give me a minute

>>150625787
cant iim eating a taco

>>150625236
dont bully my man

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>>150623086
Come on boys I'm retarded please help me understand

So Blighttown was fun.

I can't wait to see what is next in store.

>>150625725(You)
Now, this is some advanced form of autism

>>150625725
lol

SHIT SOULS 3
MEMEHACKAZAKI

>>150626118
>typing out (You) in his own post
you're not even autistic kid, you're just fucking stupid

>>150623051
dang thats pretty fuckin good

do u got sliders

>>150626026
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zg2IJyKDz9tY-6kZwz-PSVLMrM-7xEz_OIl-xIjjISs/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true

>>150626026
that's a cute picture anon :3

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Aye you're a legend lad
thanks a million

>>150625851
Thanks BB

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>>150625939
>>150625851
>>150625787
looks pretty nice tbqh

remember when dark souls 3 was good

>>150626581
no

>>150626581
yes

>>150622968
NANI

>>150626338
i hope i did some damage. he's really difficult when he slides around like that

>>150626439
Does untrue dark ring get rid of the silly purple glow?

Can you use backed up saves made from older patches?

Have a save from April 30, can I use that now?

>>150626581
maybe

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>>150626897
yes

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>>150626581
It was fun on my first and second playthrough, once you start pvping it's all downhill.

What if you got an ember from every phantom you killed while in the hosts world

bloodborne is shit desu

>high wall of lothric
searching for another world to invade
>undead settlement
searching for another world to invade
>halfway fortress
searching for another world to invade
>catacombs of carthus
searching for another world to invade

FUCK THIS

>>150627131
BIG
SPIKY
ROCK

baller 2bh

>>150627167
This desu

>>150624171
Uh, what? >>150622437

It's in the OP. The name of the last thread was just retarded. Souls General is simple and covers all Souls type games, including Bloodborne.

>>150624347
If /bbg/ wants to continue their exclusive club, let them.

Plenty of people here want to talk about Bloodborne in the context of other Souls ganes, i.e. discussing differences in mechanics.

>>150627167
Invasions and coop are still fun though. Just can never enjoy dueling.

>>150627560
Anything Bloodborne is mentioned around PCucks they always cry and shitpost hard
see last thread with /bbg/ in the thread name, >>150622546, and all the mad replies to >>150624171

Going to start a faith playthrough, any recommendations for a low requirement infusible weapon?

>>150628031
Longsword :^)
Winged spear

>>150627304
SL?

>>150628031
Astora straightsword.
I like the saint bident too.

>>150627304
pontiff is always open

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How would you change existing levels to make them better, /dsg/ ?

Is Izalith Staff really the best for Dark Sorceries? at +4 it has about 25 lower Spell Buff then my +7 pyro flame.

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name a worse enemy

>>150626439
Looks pretty brutal

>>150628328
Thralls
Dogs
Demon Ruins pyromancers

>Get to Sens
>Suddenly do no damage to anything

muy es bueno

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>>150627304
sorry I am not playing right now but I was playing on a new character with fingers on because I wanted random fun duels
>tfw 9/10 invaders are twinked as shit with maxed estus and end game weapons and armor
>I'm SL 20
Not that I blame them, invasions are usually terrible.

>>150628031
Shortsword for dat hipster factor

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What's the best looking spell and why is it A Call Beyond?

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>>150628328

>>150628328
Chain Axe

>>150628549
Pillars of light is pretty cool, shame it's just a worse firestorm which is already garbage.

>>150628031
Club

What's the recommended level for fully clearing the necessary chalice dungeons in order to get the trophy?

I'm currently level 92 with Ludwig's sword at 10+ and somewhere around 40 vitality, 25 endurance and 31/31 strength/skill or so. I've only cleared the first few dungeons up untill depth 3, but it feels like i'm going to get my anus terribly molested once i go to depths 4 and 5 considering i'm not very skilled

>>150628635
>it doesn't track like when the winged knights use it

>>150628593
Of all the goat men the fucking straight standing goats that jumps on you taking half your health instantly and the fucking grab attack is the worst cancer next to dogs.
That one you have to pass on every play through in the swamp always kicks my ass unless I pucker my ass and actually focus instead of running through the game.

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>>150628328

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>>150627304
game is pretty much dead

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>>150628786
>>150628823
YEAH THOSE, FUCKING GOD

Do you think Miyazaki made the Demon Ruins in DS3 shitty on purpose, like as a joke?

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>>150628245
fix the bonfires

>>150628965
yes

>>150628728
Chalice dungeons are meant to be hard.

Your stats are about as good as they can get, you just need to practice and get good to win.

Who is Carthus

>>150628728
For the trophy? You're good enough. That can even beat the actual gem ones but you might have trouble.
Don't stop leveling if you're a PvE fag

>>150629003
are you modding these changes in using html??? :O

>>150627131
Fuuuuuck yeah

>>150629091
He's Astora's half-brother.

>>150628245
For DS3 I'd remove bonfires and add shortcuts between areas.

A ladder from where you find Yoel down to Farron Keep would be the most obvious one to think of.

>>150629016
>you just need to practice and get good to win.

Ok so i'm fucked

>>150628965
It's a throwback to Lost Izalith.

>>150629091
A ruined land of shifting sands and tryhard shitters.

>>150627176
More like what if you got an extra estus flask for every phantom in the host's world, and got another one every time an additional phantom was summoned AND died.

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>>150628328
Thralls with glowing flamberges. It's not like they're otherwise any harder than the regular thralls, what gets me is that they hit harder than the area boss.

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>>150629003
Undead Settlement should keep the Foot of the High Wall bonfire and lose the Undead Settlement bonfire.

>DeS
Best atmosphere

>DaS
Best world design

>DaS2
Best safe hub

>BB
Best lore and story

>DaS3
Best boss music

Prove me wrong

Can I make a low level character and then transfer some endgame rings from another? Or will that get me flagged?

>>150629615
DaS had the best feels.

>>150629003
I'd keep Cliff Underside and get rid of Dilapidated Bride.

Keep the Covenant Bonfires, just for ease's sake.

High Lord Wolnir is convenient for making a run to Smouldering Lake.

Distant Manor is very handy for getting around.

Everything else seems fine. Those make things easier for specific tasks, rather than making the game itself too checkpoint heavy.

>>150629615
DaS had some nice music too.
>mfw beating the game for the first time and hearing this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpI-KeK-PQg
The feeling was incredible.

>>150629615
3 has the best bosses by far.

>>150629824
I haven't tried +2 FAP. But most normal rings are fine.

>Gameplay
BB>DaS2>DaS3>DaS1>DeS
>Atmosphere
DeS>BB>DaS1>DaS2>DaS3
>Lore & story
BB>DaS1>DaS3>DaS2>DeS
>World/area design
DaS1>BB>DeS>DaS2>DaS3
>Music
BB>DaS3>DeS>DaS1>DaS2

Why the fuck don't weapons get full movesets on left hand?

>>150630363
>Gameplay
BB>DS3>DS1>DeS>DS2
>Atmosphere
BB>DeS>DS1>DS3>DS2
>Lore & story
BB>DeS>DS1>DS3>DS2
>World/area design
DS1>DS3>BB>DeS>DS2
>Music
BB>DS3>DS1>DeS>DS2

>>150631070
BECAUSE RIGHT HAND BEST HAND
MURICA

>>150631070
le a-team

>>150631070
Because it's a DnD thing where left-hand weapons are completely arbitrarily penalized and Miyazaki is a DnD cuck.

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I just killed a dorkmoon!

>no power stance
>useless to put weapons in left hand
Wow nice job there a team

>>150631174
What's your name

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Anyone wanna help me out max out and dupe all/most weapons?

1.I max a few weapons (got 15 unused slabs) and drop them
2.load my backup
3.you drop them and I make another backup
4.Repeat

I also have all rings if you need any and you'll have all weapons too, +0 and max.

>>150631306
Seaman Damon

>>150631508
just go offline and dupe that shit nigga

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Why does /dsg/ bully Darkmoons now?

>>150631713
Aldrich faithful cucks

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>>150631713
Because it's so satisfying

>>150631258
>useless
>when r1's are the only useful move

Not defending the lack of content, but it's hardly useless.

Is the DLC for Ds2 good?

>>150629615
>majula
>best hub
pls explain, did anyone actually unironically like that bigass empty boring space with music that makes me want to kill myself playing constantly?

I wouldn't even mind it being uninteresting if at least the music was half-decent

>>150631962
It's really good, but so far the coop seems more active in non-dlc zones. Playing SOTFS for PC.

>>150631632
Didn't they make all item spawning detectable?

Sens is the bane of my existence. Holy shit.

>>150631962
Ridiculously good. Wouldnt miss out on it. Especially E S P E C I A L L Y the Ivory King fight

>>150631928
U can't r1 for left handed weapons l1 just does the stupid block

>>150631713
>1
Overleveled fags whise buff you had to spite kite their buff

>2
Broken covenant

>3
Broken covenant that plays worse than in 2 and give a reward

Darkmoons are for bullying, grapes > blueberries

>>150631713
People have been bullying them since Dark Souls 2 when they were Blue Sentinels.

>>150629003
I think it's better to keep church of yorshka and ditch central irithyll.

souls bf?

>>150632290
>Invading the world of the guilty

Will Memezaky ever fix the shitty DS3 covenants?

>>150632026
The music is actually one of the main reasons i like it the most. I found it very atmospheric and soothing and fitting with the look and feel of the area.

I just liked how peaceful the area felt

>>150632093
>>150632238
Alright, thanks. I asked because my friend said to not get it because it wasn't as good as Ds1's

>>150631905
>tfw refusing to give Ciaran Artorias's soul and then killing her while wearing his armor
Man, I felt like a glorious asshole

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Please assist me once more, /dsg/.
Give me your thoughts on my "Faith" build.

I'll switch out Hornet and Chloranthy Rings for Priestess and Saint's Rings so I can use Soothing Sunlight during Jolly Cooperation.

I'll switch between Lothric's Holy Sword and the Lothric Knight Greatsword so as to not fat roll. Might use Morne's (2H) for gankspanking.

>>150631962
Nah not really. If you like Ds2, then you'll like it, but it's not all that it's hyped up to be.

Any news on the dlc?

>>150631962
Honestly they are fucking overrated. They feel very video gamey in the sense that i can't imagine people actually living in those areas. They have all typical problems of base DS2, for example they love throwing waves upon waves of poisestacked trash mobs on you and most of the environments are ridiculously bland and lacking details. On my last run i barely forced myself to get through the eleum loyce because of how ridiculously boring that place was, a jog through empty areas and copypasted enemies. 60% of DLC weapons are also ridiculously bad, like who the fuck designed that sorcery-casting spear or twinbade, they are worthless. Bosses are also pretty meh by the overall standards of series, especially when compared to BB or DS3.

>>150632502
Why the whip?

>>150631962
They're very good. No idea what >>150632514
is talking about.

>>150632502
Seems kinda all over the place. If you want to do a buff build, then stick it to 60 faith and use the drakeblood greatsword or the dragonslayer axe.
If you want to do strength/faith, put strength to 40 and use wolnirs holy sword.
Either way you should probably be using sunlight spears, use yorshkas chime for pve and canvas talisman for pvp. Use the mircale boosting rings (mornes and sun's firstborn) and if you feel you need it, the sage ring.

>>150631962
Very good. Well put together levels, good story related stuff, good bosses.

>>150632661
What's so great about them? They're not bad or anything, but they have enough faults to make them not great.

>>150632381
Never ever

what's an average endgame SL for SotfS? beaten every other game, thinkgen of a build for this one

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>>150625236
>played over 400 hours
>never encountered even one of these problems
>encourntered exactly one (1) hacker in that entire time

>>150632894
50 in all stats because thanks to soul memory there's no reason to ever stop leveling

>>150632829
Good bosses
Good level design
Interesting lore
Good armour
Good weapons
Good spells
Some good music

>>150632423
I never thought it was peaceful because it constantly had this underlying tone that the place has something sinister going for it but then nothing ever happens so it just becomes neither chill nor interesting i m h o

>>150632980
It also has some complete dogshit bosses, and ridiculous enemy placement. Alongside the unfair invasions, it really does bring it down despite some very good bosses, interesting visual design and cool loot.

Ignoring difficulty and gameplay issues and stuff, what's your favorite zone in all of the games based purely on looks, atmosphere, etc?

Mine would probably be the Iron Keep. They really nailed the hellish atmosphere there.

>>150632829
They're well put together, interesting looking, have cool bosses and often highly interactive (that is, things that modify the way the level works) with good short cuts, plenty of secrets to find with lots of unique treasure.

What specific faults mar it for you?

what does soul memory have to do with endgame SL?

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>>150631713
ignorance.

>>150633182
Latria or valley of defilement.
>>150633202
Well for example, Elana and the ganksquad are disgraceful bosses. Invaders and humanoid enemies poisetanking when I can't do the same, alongside other points where they shove in a lot of difficult enemies in tight spaces.

>>150633264
fuck, meant for
>>150632975

>>150633182
Anor Londo for me. When i first saw it it was like the game JUST started and the tutorial was over. Fucking place looked like an empire and made Sen's fortress look like a bitch at first glance

>>150633123
Honestly i don't even remember any interesting visual design in them aside from central forge of Brume tower maybe.

>>150633508
I really liked shulva. Mesoamerican style pyramids aren't really something we'd seen in the souls games before, so I enjoyed that.

>>150632270
L2 is R1 with a weapon in the left (some exceptions for parrying weapons)
There's a reason Leftstoc is all the range, and it's not because the l2 is an r2 equivalent.

>>150633264
Because it's highly subjective and relies upon a shitton of factors, but game lacks set and populated metalevel unlike other games in series.
If you will farm loyce souls you might as well end up with SL250, if you lose a shitton of souls and waste them on consumables you will end up with 150 or even less.

>>150633710
I like purchasing armor sets and shit, guess I'll shoot for 150

>>150633606
Honestly it felt just as a ripoff of one of the areas in KF4 which also had a unique gimmick because 80% of the level was underwater. Though there's a fuckton of KF references in DS2 in general.

>>150633123
>It also has some complete dogshit bosses
The only really bad ones are the gank squad, blue smelter, and 2cat. 3/9 bad bosses isn't enough to completely shit up the DLC.

>ridiculous enemy placement
Not sure what you mean by this. The only part with terrible enemy placement was the hallway leading up to Blue Smelter.
>Alongside the unfair invasions
Or this

I love how many people take forever to figure out Yhorm's gimmick because they literally never used weapon arts a single time in their entire playthrough up until that point and have ti trial and error their way through the controls of a mechanic that only now suddenly becomes useful.

What an abortive, half-baked concept.

>>150633182
Frigid Outskirts
It's shame about much they fucked up that area. I still had fun invading there though.

>>150633915
Blue smelter isn't even a bad boss, it's just a good boss (one of the best main game bosses) recycled. /v/ treats boss recolours like some absolute mortal sin of gaming but it's really rather benign, especially when it's just taking a good earlygame boss and scaling them up for endgame difficulty.

>>150634181
>Blue smelter isn't even a bad boss, it's just a good boss (one of the best main game bosses) recycled.
It's bad because it's a lazy recolour. If it was a unique fight like how Laurence is in Bloodborne, then people probably wouldn't complain about it as much.

>>150633182
Anor lando. It just felt so DIFFERENT from the rest of the game. Everything else felt like this world that was crumbling into ruin and defilement, simple relatable architecture and then WHAM massive shining golden city of literal gods.

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>tfw had my hand held in DS2 by veterans the whole way through

How the hell do people solo these games

>>150633182
Ash Lake, Shulva, and the Profaned Capital (yes it's too short but they really nailed the terrible-catastrophe-happened-here vibe).

>>150634001
It's a lot like parrying, it's always useful, you can just go through the entire game blissfully ignoring it. I played through dark souls 1 twice before even attempting to parry.

>>150633915
>The only really bad ones are the gank squad, blue smelter, and 2cat.
Elana is an absolute shit.
Sinh is a boring fight that lasts forever and can't hold a candle to Kalameet.
Ivory King is a bland Gwyn clone.

>>150634001
Or because they all try r2 or they never know the wa can be charged

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>>150634379

Cute.

>>150634379
patience

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>>150634379
hope u at least played other playthroughs alone

>>150634339
>It's bad because it's a lazy recolour
Yeah like I said, this is the delusion that /v/ embraces wholeheartedly. If it's good once, it's bad twice because the measure of whether something is good or not is how much money the developers spent on it and how much you can regurgitate advertising taglines to sound like you're cool for liking it. There's nothing wrong with re-using assets, especially when it's something as minor as just using a boss' assets a second time.

>>150633182
I really love the look of Shrine of Amana.

Shame about the enemy types making it not fun to play.

For a while I used to run an Amana guide service, take people to the good loot, illuminate the ground, take out the worst of the enemies, that kind of stuff. Was fun.

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Anyone here run the Oroboro Build?

That's the closest thing to a good "Faith" build I could find.

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>>150634892
i like duel charming you faggots and looking at your frustration

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>>150633182
dukes/grand archive gave me a good chub

>>150632950
>"ive played literally billions of hours and NEVER EVER seen a cheater or crashes except this one time"
PCucks, everyone

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>smelter
>good
>lmao aoe aura damage
>boring big guy in armor who gives you highly telegraphed slow attacks to dodge for the whole fight
>good

Literally the only time you EVER take damage from smelter is if you have low adp otherwise it's just occasionally having to heal off his stupid AoE damage. Both versions are boring as shit.

>hosts can enter boss rooms without triggering the boss
>hosts can summon three phantoms
>hosts with three phantoms can still receive help from blue sentinels/darkmoon
>hosts have access to seeds, invalidating the only advantage the invader can hope to gain

I mean I know twinking in DS1 was bad and all but fuck

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>>150634961
>implying you'll ever hit me with that shit

>>150634767
Yes, there is nothing wrong with reusing assets, as long as it's done well. Otherwise it just comes off as lazy and uninspired.

Note how I pointed out Laurence, a re-kinned Cleric Beast, as being a good example of a "reused" boss.

>>150635121
30% hp boost
Double estus
Can resummon killed phantoms infinitely
Can swap to way of blue mid invasion
Dont have to worry about dorkmoons because no sin

>>150635335
right I forgot about those

>>150634892
I run a good wind build

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>>150635121
at least they don't have 8 types of healing consumables anymore
and invaders don't have a time limit

>>150635229
Laurence is an awful example of a re-used boss, though.
They took the tutorial boss, gave him lingering AoE hitboxes on all of his attacks and made a "second phase" by taking the moveset of one of the worst basic enemies in the game and putting it on a boss without any balance work whatsoever. Laurence is cancer most players skip because fuck that shit. If I don't have a good ranged weapon to cheese his mindlessly flailing nonsense hitboxes in the 2nd phase, I just don't bother that playthrough, and I'm not alone.

The only reason you seem to think it's appropriate to put up Laurence as a good resued boss is because "it's different, look how different it is" even though the second phase is the worst part of the fight (and in general, the worst fight in the dlc) and recycles assets from another enemy anyways.

>>150635121
>this is complained about everywhere everybday

Tell me something new instead of regurgitating this always

>>150635720
>it's said a lot so it's not an issue
Is this the fabled /v/ way of thinking?

>>150635581
>Laurence is an awful example of a re-used boss, though.
better than any re-used boss in ds2 by far anyway

>>150634892
unless you're gankspanking it's incredibly boring

don't know if it can still oneshot phantoms

>>150635581
>The only reason you seem to think it's appropriate to put up Laurence as a good resued boss is because "it's different, look how different it is"
Exactly. Any difference is better than literally no difference at all (sans colour).

>>150635815
wew great argument there, mate. You've gone and dazzled me with those cold, hard opinions of yours.

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>>150635121
>>150635335
Hahah how can bad invasions be real hahahah like nigga just parry them hahahah use hornet ring hahahah

>>150635841
Blue Smelter has different combo paths and alternate versions of moves with radically different timings.

Not that it matters terribly because being slightly different doesn't really make something good, especially when, like Laurence, the changes are quite literally for the worse.

>>150635121
>>150635335
I really want to know why they did all of this.
Was it just a culmination of little things that they didn't realise had a big effect or did they just hate invasions but didn't have the balls to take it out.

The problem is, almost all invaders are now either scrubs who don't know how badly invading sucks, or people with dedicated PvP builds and meme weapons. Basically, the whole middle area of "good" players gave up on invading, meaning even being invaded is less entertaining that it should be, as all you fight are people who don't know what the R2 button does or Bloodring wearing Gotthard/Washingpoll/CCGS edgelords.

>>150635335
>Can swap to way of blue mid invasion
WHATR

>>150629157
no this is simply google docs. im writing down how the game could be made better
>>150630041
>>150632324
>>150629571
noted

>>150636167
>I really want to know why they did all of this.
Tanimura did all this and even more back in DS2 and he's the one responsible for balance of online play of DS3. He's just a Josh Sawyer-tier balance Hitler, no fun allowed.

>>150636167
what's wrong with ccgs?

How strong of a candidate is DS3 for game of the year?

>>150636398
If miyazaki truly gave a shit he would've stopped this

>>150635801
No, I just don't see how bitching has any purpose. You could discuss possible fixes they could implement. You could name ways players can try counteracting those, you could even male up fake patches for (you)s, but no one cares to hear all the benefits hosts have. Simply recognising an issue is meaningless given almist every player is fully aware of them, perhaps more than you

>>150636425
Very. Despite it flaws i don't see any other strong contender so far.

>>150636167
It was more that they made a tonne of changes with co-op in mind, and didn't consider their impact on invading because it was entirely secondary. In the end, from doesn't really care about the impact their multiplayer balance has on invading because invaders are less than 1% of the active playerbase even when circumstances are favourable for them. Meanwhile, co-oping constitutes the overwhelming majority of online activity in every souls game.

Basically, invading is shit because from doesn't care about it. It's there just so that they can boast of their unique, one-of-a-kind asymmetrical multiplayer. Right from the beginning invading only existed in DeS to be containment for greifers, because without it people would have dedicated an unreasonable amount of time towards finding ways to fuck over their host as a friendly summon.

>>150629003
>Flameless shrine
What was even the point of that one aside from the first time 'wow' of the view
that was immediatly spoiled by the gorillion messages "Gorgeous view ahead"

>>150635335
>>150635121
You guys forgot dying as a Dark Spirit will leave a bloodstain where you died.

Question to all the invaders; what do you do when you see a host with 3 phantoms?

>>150636501
Miyazaki was still involved into BB development during the DS3 dev process so he was forced to involve co-directors. And BB is his opus magnum so i understand his priorities.

>>150636425
Like every other year, it's a shoe-in simply because souls games are a crutch that pretentious gaming hipsters (eg. the circlejerk that even bothers with these sorts of award shows) use to appear intelligent. It's basically the Stanley Kubrick of gaming and is the first word on anybody's tongue when they want to see holier-than-thou, which is exactly what award shows are all about,.

DaS2 didn't deserve to win goty, but it did anyways because hordes of people who had never even played the game wanted to call a souls game best for the sake of appearing more refined and discriminating than they actually were.

>>150636781
just hornet parry bro

>>150636781
Run in like a mad man.

99% death rate anyways so fuck it im going down swinging

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>>150635032
PS3 had a terrible problem with cheaters when the Mule arrived and had people who could do shit like delevel players. Of course, PS4 is safe for now.

>>150636876
It's a little different this time. 2014 has godly games like Grimrock 2 that completely BTFO DS2 in terms of a pure quality. DS3 so far is still the best thing that came out in 2016.

>>150629003
>remove yorshka and preserving that hellish run through to get to Sulyvahn

Don't ever try to design a game.

>>150636781
I only ever BC out if it's gank + seed/dead world.
Winning 4v2 ir 3v1 is doable if you invade in areas with premium mobs.
If they don't fight you, just BC out, hide or wait at boss fog

>>150636781
Use whatever means necessary to separate them and either try to kill the one with the most meta weapon or whittle the host down as much as possible

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Yeah nice try Grapefag

>>150637125
i didnt make these decision, just copied what someone here said.
as other anons in this thread already suggested, keep church of yorshka, remove central irithyll

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>>150636636
>because without it people would have dedicated an unreasonable amount of time towards finding ways to fuck over their host as a friendly summon.

This is literally the best thing to do.
>implying you didn't heal Freja or LGK as a summon
>implying black crystaling out after you've buffed the boss isn't fun
>implying pissing off the Moths in the Crystal Cave wasn't fun

>>150636781
swap to a cardcaptor and put on obscuring and slumbering dragoncrest rings.


I've taken a fair share of tongues off of 4-man squads, and the trick is understanding that none of the players involved will be even remotely competent and bullying them with rouged metashittery. Also leave whoever is toting an ultra (there's always at least one) for last.

>>150637079
>mules
>cheating
>ps3 had people deleveling players
nice falseflag, only pc had that

Does Warmth heal bosses?

In DaSIII

>cant log into das3 servers

what did they mean by this?

>>150637664
sure does pardner

>>150637664
Yes

>>150637664

Yes, you can pop it to force hosts to drag out a boss fight.

>>150633915
Sorry for the late response. But Elana is a terrible boss too, and put me off from the DLCs in general for ages.
Loads of the encounters are tight rooms, with lot's of enemies.
The invasions are also terrible in SotFS, so it applies to that too. The enemies can tank hits regardless of their armour, for example jester thomas doesn't stun immediately.

>>150635581
>mommy its too hard so its bad waaaaahhhhhh!

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>>150637710
>>150637717
>>150637794

Thanks lads.

Time for some jolly co-op.

>>150637125
>all those shortcuts you get
>run to pope still requires only 5 enemies or so to dodge
>it's about as hard as some runs in the other games like simply walking to O&S which are perfectly fine

Man, you fags are fucking spoiled. If you have every shortcut it'd be totally fine. All those bonfires were a mistake and made people lazy.

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>>150637859
Invasions are beyond terrible in DLC areas.
>invade some faggot in Shulva
>he can literally lock you out from ever reaching him

>>150636781
double dragon shield in one hand (2 health/s)
grass crest in other hand
health regen slut ring
cloranthy ring
carthus ring of balanced rolls
cat ring for baiting them to take fall damage

estoc in one right hand slot for maximum safe poking

become an invincible pain in the ass

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>>150637612
>nice falseflag, only pc had that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhWtxX-lffY

>>150637972
>mommy its too hard
L-lewd

>souls game in which, rather than starting as undead and hollowing when you die, you start alive and human, and the first time you die you become undead

>completely possible to run the entire game as a human

>covenants based around turning humans undead, and humans crusading against undead

>other souls-y stuff, ie, ring of sacrifice-esque items allow you to die without losing your humanity

Would you play this?

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>>150637979
>mfw using warmth on Freja in DS2
>mfw after both heads fall she becomes literally invincible and you have to start the fight over

>>150634892
Is that nanatsu no taizai?

>>150637997
Removing yorshka means you have to run past no less than two fire witches helped by mobs of claymore hollows and a shit load of pontiff knights.

>lots of runbacks are fun!

They really aren't. they're annoying busywork.

l2r

>>150638063
I hate it when you can't interact with anything in the ds3 and 2. I wish I could unlock a shortcut for them or use a shortcut to ambush them from behind. Did you have more freedom of interaction as a phantom in ds1? I haven't played it for awhile.

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>>150638275
Nah, Nanatsu actually has godly armor designs.

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>>150636167
>Was it just a culmination of little things that they didn't realise had a big effect

This is the most charitable interpretation of it, even if it feels like they hated invasions, and it seems like there's explanations for most mechanic changes as just changes in the interest of game balance.

I do think, though, that if DS1 had not included invasions DS2 would not have featured them at all. The anti-invader balance shows that the devs did not particularly care about the gameplay experience of the invader and would certainly have preferred to just not offer it. The simple lack of reward for a successful invasion, after all the difficulty of accomplishing it, shows that most clearly.

>>150636636
>Right from the beginning invading only existed in DeS to be containment for greifers

This is quite clearly wrong. Both red and blue phantoms in DeS get the same reward for success, their body back, and a lot of the risks in terms of what consumables get used up are the same. In the interest of choice, you just get the option between helping someone else (the white char tendency choice) and hurting someone else (the black char tendency choice). Getting your body back is a really good reward in DeS, and to me it seems clear from the overall design of the game that these were imagined as equally valid paths to the same goal.

What is clear is that From didn't think at the time that anybody would find invasions so exciting that they would do that exclusively rather than just doing it to regain their body in the course of playing through the game, and certainly didn't imagine that people would clear the game at a low level just so they could go invade people at low levels with high-end equipment for, ultimately, no reward other than the pleasure of doing it.

>>150636423
It's very good in PvP. Possibly one of the best.

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>>150637997
>run to pope still requires only 5 enemies or so to dodge
Yeah, if you have the Church of Yorshka bonfire. Otherwise you'll have a billion little niggers up your ass from all over the level because the Dorothy's Gnawing place isn't a shortcut.

>>150633182
Lothric Castle.
It's like a more compact Boletarian Palace with more variety and with Dark Souls 1's overworld design.

>>150638251

Yeah I was already thinking about that. Curse-Rotted Greatwood and Wolnir.

>>150638418
In DS3 there's only a few instances where you can't interact with some contraptions. But in DS2 that issue was incredibly widespread.

>>150638418
Yeah, you could open doors, pull levers and such

Why are the heavier armor sets all so damn ugly?

>>150638648
Curse rotted has its hand on his second phase, which automatically starts when his main ballsacks are destroyed, Wolnir is still killable without breaking the bracelets

>>150638648
Wolnir wouldnt work; he just insta-dies after removing the 3rd bracelet

Greatwood still has the arm making him annoying as fuck, but still killable

>>150638181
>2013
>only 2 japcucks doing it to cheat other
>going to the forest to pvp
meanwhile on pc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m8yTM_F5Ho
and this is for a game that just came out

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>>150638418
Yeah, you can :
>open shortcuts
>close some shortcuts (like the Parish portcullis or Anor Londo big doors)

>>150638705
>cathedral knight
>mornes
>havel's
>exile
>ugly

shit taste you have

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>>150638418
In DS1 and BB you can use virtually everything. There's only one exception in BB but it would lock the player progress permanently if it wasn't for it.

>>150637664
>use warmth on Wolnir
>three brackets
>he's still alive

>>150638856
>>150638872

That complicates things.

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>>150639036

I like how you think.

>>150639036
3rd bracelet is a scripted death, sadly. His remaining health doesn't matter.

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>>150638994
>BB
>can lock two gates in cathedral ward forcing the host to re-do 90 of progress

>>150639228
>DS3
>you can't interact with the world in any way

>>150639173
Really? Well, no reason to farm now.

>>150639291
You can interact with the bridge in catacombs :^)

Did you rike it?

>>150639291
Yet another example of how Tanimura fucked it over.

>>150639291
you can open chests but you cant pick up the item

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>>150638275
It's Re:Zero

>>150638856
Curse rotted seems like the best warmth-bullying boss, since people are new.

Champ G or Nameless Kang would fuck your shit up or move around too much. Dancer had potential because slow moving.

>>150639416
Bridge would be 10/10 if it wasn't for alternate path

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>>150632280
>Darkmoons are for bullying, grapes > blueberries

>>150639291
>invade in Settlements
>can't even open the fucking gate

>>150639608
>use obscuring ring
>attack bridge
>2H greatshield to block path
>not enough time for the host to run back

>when the host starts lagswitching

>>150639769
yeah except 7/10 times the host is smart enough to use the alternate path because he's aware of your presence

I know because I've tried

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>hosting in the gank covenant areas alone with dried finger and seed active for 2 hours
Reminder that this is OBJECTIVELY the best way of getting enjoyment out of DS3 pvp.

>>150639881
what I do is just hide with obscuring ring with seeds and dried finger active and watch the blueberries and dogs and invaders figure it out themselves

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SL125 Ranked Fightclub for the people still interested in dks1.
www.twitch tv/kumomi_
Make sure to read the description for info about joing,

>>150639697
But you can. Open AND close

>>150639881
You're damn right it is! Is it posible to be invaded by 2 watchdogs/faithful and a red spirit while fingered?

>>150639881
>seed in gank covenant areas
>start with a red
>more come in
>before I know it I'm getting ganked
JUST

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>>150640126
This is the best part.

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>>150640104
Yes.

>>150639613
>needing to get a level or numerical advantage to win
>probably the biggest level advantage a covenant ever had except for SM fuckery
>has a buff so strong any person invader who onows what to do just lites them until it's over

Feel free to go back to your easy mode invasions and farming twinks

>>150640083
>advertising
>no posting links
>mask cancer
kill yourself faggot

>tfw no "immune to backstabs" chestpiece in dark souls 1

it would literally balance the game entirely

no really what's with the -30% health meme
why
I don't get it

>>150640685
how new