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This general is for discussing all shmups/stgs (shoot 'em ups/shooting type games).

Previous thread: >>149483135

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First for fish
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I was playing Raiden 4 and noticed the boss was harder, but finally beat him anyway.
Then I noticed, it was harder because I wasn't bombing.
The bomb was inside me all this time!
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cee vs kraut battle to the death when?
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>watching creepy/unnerving/unsolved mystery Youtube videos in the middle of the night

I-I'm not scared, I just... am worried the thread will die if I go to sleep yet, s-so I figured I should stay up a little while longer and keep an eye on things...
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>>149967728
I could hook you up with numbers station recordings.
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>>149966907
I think cee retired sadly.
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>>149967728
These videos are always full of fake shit anyway. It's mostly cheap clickbait.
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>>149968232
Why? He was gitting gud at Ketsui.
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>>149966907
Krautbladder would lose because it takes him 500+ hours to get a decent score.
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>>149968009
Why do you have things like that! More creepy-cute girls though.

>>149968232
Wasn't there just a fight last thread about that? I think he was insisting otherwise.

>>149968295
A lot of them may be, but others (I'm assuming) aren't. The disappearance of Lars Mittank, the Max Headroom incident, for example, or the numbers station recordings mentioned above.

Hell even the ones that are fake can still be rather unnerving, like I Feel Fantastic and The Wyoming Incident. Maybe I'm just shaken easily...
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what a anime thread
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So anyways, CCWI seemed pretty cool. Really flashy, maybe too flashy. I'm assuming that your eyes just get used to it after a while? Because there were several times when I could hardly see anything through all the explosions, items, and stuff flashing and flying everywhere.

I look forward to trying it again. That Mushi Maniac clear I haven't gotten yet is still nagging on my mind though, and there's also that GoMa event that I have to grind out this week too...
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>>149970029
>I'm assuming that your eyes just get used to it after a while?
The bullets and enemies are visible enough, it's just a matter of practice to not get distracted by the other stuff.
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>>149971473
Only time where things really become invisible is when entering break mode, then you often can't see what is going on right in front of you, but therefor you also completely annihilate everything in front of you.
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Why are they so perfect?
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wtf i hate cave now
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why did I think that reading icycalm's blog would be a good idea
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Wtf I hate irem now
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I think I won't be able to play today ;_;
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>>149976889
for anyone who hasn't yet seen this essay:

>ON WHY SCORING SUCKS AND THOSE WHO DEFEND IT ARE ASPIES

http://www.mediafire.com/?6dbctvcd8o94ck6

don't worry about pirating it, it's morally justifiable
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>>149980025
like i'm going to read a wall of text from some scrub
sum that shit up nigga
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>>149980519
every modern shmup must be played exactly once, for survival only, otherwise you will ruin it with your unnatural autistic scoring which is totally unimmersive and chiefly done by aspies that are missign the POINT, and a lot of discourse on how certain real sports are better than gaming in any form + certain other real sports

it ends with a call to make a shmup that wouldn't have scoring but would be still difficult. Impossible Spell Card?
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>>149981034
>must be played exactly once
* 1cc'd exactly once, also no credit feeding ever.
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>>149980025
There is absolutely no way someone published this.
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>>149981034
Real sports are full of cheating PED using losers. It would be like everyone playing shmups on MAME and submitting savestated, slowed down, pieced together replays on hacked emulators and trying to pass them off as legit.

Video games are far more fair and competitive than any """"real""""" sport. :^)
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>>149980025
> It is the naturalness in lkaruga's mechanics, the
elegance, the beauty, to which the crowd is responding, and which
far outstrips such convoluted and aesthetically absurd piece-of-shit
scoring systems as those found in stuff llke Baftle Garegga or Mushihime-sama.
He does have a point with tjis though. Many scoring systems are really just fucking weird and arbitrary, but games like Ikaruga managed to make it somewhat feel more natural. Simple but effective, that's how scoring systems should be imo.
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>>149982426
there's literally nothing natural about trying to carefully shoot 3 enemies at a time in a shooting game.
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>>149982649
That's true, but this is also the only unnatural part about the scoring system in it, and it's kept very simple. Everything else in it fits perfectly to the in-game world of the game.
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>>149982649
I think that's the best part about it. It is almost a throwback to when the shooting in shooting games was important. Now they're really dodging games more then ever.
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>>149983590
I agree. Ikaruga is actually very similar to games like Space Invaders, where you also had to aim precisely and often careful fish out enemies for higher score.
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>>149982018
t. adderall user
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>>149982649
>nothing natural about trying to carefully shoot
>in a shooting game
hmmmm... really makes you think...
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>>149984414
People seem to think the more bullets you shoot the more the game is about shooting, while aiming is what shooting games really are about. This is probably also the reason why Clover_TAC doesn't see shmups as shooting games, but more like puzzl games, because they are mostly just about finding out the right dodging patterns.
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>>149984703
Trying to play Crimzon Clover makes me bored, so I can say TAC and I never clicked in that regard. At least it only cost me 2 bucks on sale.
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>>149970029
>I'm assuming that your eyes just get used to it after a while?
They do.
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>>149985340
Crimzon Clover actually has some really nice *shooting* mechanic though. There you also have to carefully use your lock-on, which is also a form of aiming.
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>>149985720
Or also finding out the perfect moments to enter break mode. This is also comparable to good aiming.
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>>149985720
>>149985895
Yes, I was led to try it out for similar reasons. Well, I didn't refund it, so the fateful day may yet come.
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>Are you seriously trying to tell me that scoring mechanics are the only way to increase a game's difficulty? - never mind the bestl
The guy really is a bit stupid. Of course scoring mechanics make the game more difficult than anything other, because if there were no scoring mechanics, everyone would just end up at the same place on the leaderboard after clearing the game. That's why scoring mechanics needed. To add another challenge for those who want more than just a clear.
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>tfw can't copy deathsmiles superplay scoring routes bc I can't do the lock shot trick to get extra skulls
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>>149989451
just blame the input lag
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>>149968731
>Why? He was gitting gud at Ketsui.
Not really, i was gitting gud at guwange blue and now i've hit 49 mill i'm taking a break. Ketsui wise i'm dicking around with traps 1.7 arrange mode. It's good to take a break sometimes.
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>>149989517
I may be greening a blog but I'm not a lil bitch
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>>149989517
>tfw you'll never be a superplayer because of all this damn input lag
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>>149989621
>i'm dicking around with traps
explains a lot really
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>>149989893
Explain bananamatic's name and his obsession with niggers, or as he's like to say, "niggas", which is in fact what they use to refer to each other
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>>149989893
Traps are methodical masterpieces.
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>>149981034
The irony about this whole garbage is that he calls people who play for score autistic aspies "who waste their time and energy", but at the same time he basically wants that EVERYONE who plays shmups must play like these "asspies" in order to even finish a game.

If shmups would require superplay skills in order to even clear them, then shmups would have died a long time ago.
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>>149994004
reading into icycalm's narcissistic drivel is a form of masochism, just don't do it
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>>149995081
He does have some good ideas though. I for example agree with him, that stuff like loops, extra lives, or hidden bees, etc are silly. Shmups should be as immersive as possible, but they still should have a scoring system, because not everyone wants to play like SWY when playing a game.
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>following a popular shmup player on twitter
>check his old tweets
>he's talking about how he uses crutches like bombs, savestates and/or autoshot
>unfollow and block
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>>149996186
where is your image?
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>>149996265
Wan't he got told to not post it?
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>>149996716
didn't stop him so far
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I'm sure everyone already owns this, but just in case: http://store.steampowered.com/app/377860/

thinking about buying 1.5 myself is it worth 2.50?
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>>149997317
google mushihimesama hi2u and get it for free including 1.5.
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>>149995884
it's kind of like that, he somehow uses these good ideas to construct actual drivel, which annoyed me enough to stop reading
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>>149997627
not my style
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>GoMa's newest gacha is called "Loli Summer"
>doesn't have bikini Casper

How even?

>>149989451
Unfortunately I can't really give much advice on doing that. Alls I can say is that Follett probably has the hardest time doing that trick because she has a short-ranged projectile (I confirmed to myself last night that the flamethrower on her familiar DOES count as a projectile to do this trick with) that does a ton of damage.

My only advice would be that, on the offchance you're trying to do it with Follett, maybe try practicing it with a different shot type first until you get comfortable with how to do it. The timing on Follett's seems a bit more strict.
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>>149997317
play on mame
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just
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>>150004950
>using autofire
You deserved it
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Guys I want to fuck Rosa.
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>>150005291
Don't fuck desusmiles, fuck 2hus.
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>>150004950
rip anon's run, did you just forget about the doors or was this your first time getting that far?
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>>150004950
You were basically home free on the last one, you only died because you were flailing around.
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>>150004950
All these different Gradius versions... It's like the game has been rehashed a bazillion times.
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>>150005780
I beat gradius in childhood, but every time forget about the doors, yes.
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>>150004950
is this what darius burst is like?
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>>150006619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdRGj34LniA
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>>150004950
Fuck that shit
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I somehow play like crap today. I don't know why. Yesterday I was doing so good.
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>>150007681
IRL rank
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Shooting isn't important in any shmup. If you want to actually aim, go play FPS.
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>>150008956
nice meme
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>>150008956
This desu, it is only practical for STGs to specialize into bullet dodging when other genres have much more shooting going on than shmups can deliver.
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Do shmup players like tongue twisters? They require memorization and perfect execution.
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>>149998831
Your loss consumer slave.
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>>150010601
When I was a NEET, I spake as a NEET, I understood as a NEET, I thought as a NEET: but when I became a man, I put away NEET things.
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>>150005291
Why?
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>>150008956
I sometimes can't tell if people are being serious when they say things like this. Having an aimable shot/option (like in pic related) or having to stay underneath the boss for more damage adds depth to the game.

>>150010601
Slavery implies getting nothing in return. If you pay for a product and then get it, that is not slavery.
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>>150008956
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I want to hug reco-chan
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>>150001291
Well from some of the follet plays I've watched it doesn't seem like they use that trick as often as the other characters
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>>150012731
Oh. Now that you mention it, probably not. The weaker enemies would probably die before Follett could even switch over to lock-on. Which character would you want to use though, out of curiosity?
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>>150013326
Well rn im just trying to 1cc arcade with all the chars just cuz, already did it with Rosa and windia
If I was gonna score I would use either follet or windia but scoring in DS would mean learning to fight dinosatan rather than just bomb spamming him
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>>150014124
Oh, okay.

Well, now's as good a time as any for me to do this one Deathsmiles scoring writeup that I never did way back when. This one is no sort of tricky technique, but simply survival! Survival of the highest caliber in Deathsmiles.

First, a quick refresher on how the item counters work. When you collect items, the item counter in the corner rises from 0 up to 1000. After it reaches 1000, the game continues to keep track of a separate counter in the background called the Overall Counter. The Overall Counter starts when the regular counter hits 1000, and it goes from 0 up to 10,000. The Overall Counter can be seen as the "+[number]" that briefly appears when you collect an item while your regular counter is full or you are in Power Up mode. When the Overall Counter reaches 10,000, you'll see a brief orange "+10,000" next to every point item you collect, indicating that every point item you grab is now worth 10,000 point each.

The advantage of Power Up is that it drastically increases the amount which items add to your Overall Counter, allowing you to max out at 10,000 relatively quickly for big scoring opportunities. However, the Overall Counter does still accumulate even when you're not in Power Up mode and just sitting at 1000 on the normal counter.

Now, if you sit at 1000 on the normal counter and continue to collect point items, you will eventually (though MUCH slower than in Power Up mode) max out the Overall Counter and receive a +10,000 bonus for every point item collected, with no time limit! It's essentially like a perpetual power up mode in terms of the score bonus at that point.
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>>150017309
The downsides are as follows: One, it takes a hell of a lot longer to max out the Overall Counter without Power Up mode, and in many scenarios it's much less worth it than just using Power Up wisely to gain a lot of points in a short amount of time. Two, if you get hit (for a full lifebar of damage, half of one is okay) or use Power Up mode at any time, you'll lose the Overall Counter (immediately in the case of getting hit, or at the end of Power Up in the case of powering up).

This method of filling the Overall Counter without Power Up mode is frequently used by high level players during the Canyon stage and final Hades Castle. This is because each suicide bullet that is cancelled by your familiar counts as +1 point item to the counter/Overall Counter. With the massive amount of suicide bullets present in the Canyon/Level 3 Hades Castle, it becomes more worth it to simply accumulate an Overall Counter without powering up, and then having the perpetual +10,000 bonus. At this point, every point item grabbed and every single suicide bullet (!!!) cancelled will grant +10,000 points.

And again, the downside to this technique is that it means having to play through all of Canyon and Hades Castle without powering up or getting hit at all, lest you lose your Overall Counter. But if you can manage that, you'll be rolling in points!

To put it basically:

1. Max the item counter out at 1000
2. Do NOT Power Up
3. Continue collecting point items/cancelling suicide bullets until the Overall Counter maxes out at 10,000
4. Do not get hit or power up and you'll receive the +10,000 bonus for every point item/suicide bullet cancelled for the rest of the game, or until you get hit.
5. This strategy is best utilized with the Canyon and Hades Castle level 3 suicide bullets. The downside being that it's really hard to survive that entire time without getting hit or using power up.
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>>150012010
is this a methodical masterpiece?
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>>150011476

>busty
>sexy
>into kinky stuff like femdom
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>>150017541
High score Casper run when?
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>>150019519
>busty
Yes.
>sexy
Yes.
>into kinky stuff like femdom
Maybe or maybe not. She hasn't really demonstrated anything like that besides the way she dresses.

>>150019815
No idea. I've been looking around the internet and it looks like the highest western Casper score I can find is a 298m non-canyon run. I think I can beat that, and in doing so perhaps I would become the best Casper player in the west? Ah well, it won't be easy. I do have some places I can improve my route, but I still have to do a lot of tinkering with it to find out what really works. 300m is a definite possibility at this point, though!
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>>150017309
>>150017541
Added these to the compilation. Here it is.
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crimzon clover is objectively the best game to play when your friends come over and you want to impress them
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>>150029719
What about Strikers 1945.
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>>150029719
tfw no friends
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>>150030984
tfw no crimzon clover
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Post yfw that furshit game got funded
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crimson clover is the best game to play when you want to impress your boyfriend
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>>150032332
Who are you trying to impress here?
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Today I played Puyo Puyo Tetris. Is that a shmup?

Bump.
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>>150032332
I wish I had a bf to impress
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>>150030229
too old
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>>150029719
>to play when your friends
>to play when your friends come over
>friends come over
>you want to impress them
>you want to impress
LOL!
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>>150034240
Cool, it's side-dish game played by shumps superplayers!
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>>150032332
Degenerate pls go.
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>>150034240
According to Kraut-kun, puzzle=shmup, so yes.
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>>150034835
autism
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crimson clover is the best game to play when you want to impress your waifu
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>>150036698
back to your containment board
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>>150035829
>>150036930
Yay! Raffine still best girl.

>>150037319
I... have doubts about that, personally.
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crimson clover is the best game to play when you want to impress your /shmupg/
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How's the NES version of Gradius? I've played the one in shmupmame but I have minimal experience with the NES version. Is it worth getting on the 3DS for portability or is it notably worse than the arcade?
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I see you birb
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>>150039823
Less talking, more scoreposting.
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Remember
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Hup
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>>149997317
>thinking about buying 1.5 myself is it worth 2.50?
no one here has played this ffs?
>implying people play shmups in shmupg
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>>150048983
It's ok
Better than arrange mode imo
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>>150045476
Remember
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>>150049495
Do you like arrange?
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>>150050109
It's ok, the tlb is cool. I like 1.5 more because the max modes are so fun
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>>150049798
The irony being you don't have to optimize at all to get the counterstop, you just have to score reasonably well while not dying.
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speaking of shmups on sale the price for astebreed isn't bad either, has anyone played that one or know about it?
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>>150051152
Ehhh I wouldnt reccomend it unless you have money to throw away.
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>>150051646
what are your criticisms of it?
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>>150051756
Mainly that the camera changes perspectives frequently, making it hard to know where the bullets are on the screen.

The whole game felt more like it was style over substance.

Also the story was uninteresting and constantly got in the way of the gameplay, I dont think there was a choice to turn it off either.
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>>149973581
games are the perfect balance of good music, graphics and challenge
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>>150052294
>Mainly that the camera changes perspectives frequently, making it hard to know where the bullets are on the screen.
ahh yeah that can be annoying
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>>149997317
>>150048983
Sorry, was D&D'ing.

1.5 is really fun for survival, but scoring in it has the same issue as it does in Futari Black Label, which is to say I'm terrible at it. The skill ceiling is so much higher, since you must point blank for amber, and I think it sucks all the fun out of it but then I'm a big enough sperg that I love normal's maniac scoring.
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>>150055975
I ended up buying it and playing a little. I like it so far but the new way the options move will take some getting used to.
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>>150043205
I went ahead and got Gradius and Galaga both on 3DS. Would anyone happen to have any other recommendations for virutal console shmups on the 3DS eShop?
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>>150057754
K O K U G A
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>>150058531
Is it a methodical masterpiece?
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>>150061353
from wikipedia
>It was directed by Hiroshi Iuchi, famous for his seminal shmups Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga.
so maybe?
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Bump
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Boredom is setting in and I feel like chilling. And my thumb is starting to hurt from mashing on the 3DS's tiny buttons. I'm gonna stream some Galaga or Gradius or basically whatever from the shmupmame link in the OP for a little while.

http://twitch tv/harrykoakuma
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>play Darius Gaiden all afternoon
>cant feel hand after mashing fire for so long
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>>150067405
>not using 30hz autofire
get a load of this pleb
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>>150011991
>Slavery implies getting nothing in return. If you pay for a product and then get it, that is not slavery.
IT's pretty cringe when you try so hard to sound smart and come out looking unbelievably retarded, consumer slave is a term that relates to the slave like desire to consume and not the transaction itself, thick cunt.

>>150048983
1.5 is a mixed bag, original is wayyy to easy whilst original max is complete shit to play for score due to the slowdown being a janky inconsistent mess. 1.5 maniac is fun although still has the retarded tap to increase counter shite, 1.5 maniac max is a lot of fun, a challenging 1cc and afaik doesn't have as much of the tapping abuse. Ultra i don't have any experience with.
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>>150065808
Stream is over, thanks for watching. I wound up trying a few new shmups tonight. Since we don't seem to have much discussion going on, I guess I'll give my first impressions.

Boogie Wings: Quite strange, but amusing. It felt like Metal Slug at times, but also with regular shmup style stuff for the plane. Well, except for grabbing and throwing enemies. I don't know what that felt like but it was fun.

Dragon Blaze: The dragon... throwing... shot thing is a neat mechanic, if a bit difficult to use efficiently. And as I said in the chat, I just couldn't get used to bombs that don't grant invincibility. Aside from that, it was pretty hellacious with all fast bullets and stuff. Seems like a pretty hard game, or at least one that you'd have to learn well.

Gunbird: See Dragon Blaze but skip the first line. Also Marion a cute. Kinda. That odd kind of cute where she seems like she'd be cute in fanart but is questionable looking in official art.

R-Type: This one's kinda not fair. It was the last game I tried and by that point I was pretty out of focus, so I sucked even worse than I usually would've. I should give this another try when I'm not exhausted, but at current I think I prefer Gradius for my horizontal space shooters. Music and art seemed good though.

Twinkle Star Sprites: I'm not very good at PoFV and I'm pretty bad at this. Vs. shmups may be fun with a friend, but against the computer it's just kinda... ehh.

Is that it? Hmm... I don't think I'm forgetting anything. Next time I'll have to try Strikers and maybe dabble in one of Cave's titles.
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>>149973581
FUCK YOU CAVE. YOU SOLD SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI : IMAGINE TO SOMEONE WHO IMMEDITATELY SHUT IT DOWN YOU FUCKING CUNTS
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So, top players from Mushi Arrange Leaderboards sometimes use W type in Formation and don't bother with full auto. I thought W type was weak.
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>>150074189
The red dragon guys bomb grants invincibility.

>>150075719
>I thought W type was weak.
It is from a distance but it by far the most powerful when point blank. I just 1cced arrange this morning funny enough, comfy game bar the retard tlb.
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>>150080436
I mixed up W and M types. I meant they were using M type fairly often. M is powerful in 1.5 but sucks in Normal game modes. What about Arrange?
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>>150081057
Oh ok, im not sure desu I use M when i want to stay back on bosses but still do damage but how competent scoring players use it i wouldn't know.
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reminder that I am the worst player on the planet
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>>150083876
Me too
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>>150010601
>paying for goods, services, and products when you could instead steal them is slavery
t. welfare cuck
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>>150083876
Are you me?
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>>150083876
reminder that you can still get good scores if you focus your autism on one game for 1000 hours
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>>150086003
but I don't have any autism to focus anon
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>>150086084
we'll need to do something about your denial first
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>>150086003
I'vs done that and no
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>>150086452
What game? Did you study replays of other players?
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>>150086656
IN, yes
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>>150086442
wait is everyone here actually autistic other than me? i thought it was just a meme
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>>150086802
>other than me
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>>150086769
Why didn't it work?
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>>150087265
I'm bad
to be fair though, I agree that people have much more potential than they think that they could unlock by putting a lot of effort into one game, it's just not generally true that 1k hours is enough to get a good score (depending on standards of course)
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>>150087503
Do you, as a 2hu player, perhaps play with keyboard?
If I'd play with keyboard, I think I also couldn't get good.
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>>150088294
I do, tons of good touhou players also do
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>>150088681
>"good"
>"touhou players"
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>>150088681
Perhpas try to switch to stick pad?
I know there are people who can play with keyboard, but I seriously think this is not for everyone.
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>>150088987
well it's not like there are somne people that can play with keyboard, I think the good keyboard players are actually outnumbering the pad players. I'm pretty sure it's not an issue of the input device, but jsut me being slow. It's not like I'm not making progress at all, it's just slower than most. I've never really used pad a lot and I don't think I would be more comfortable with it than with keyboard
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>>150088889
you can only choose one
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Hi /shmupg/, new poster here !
I'm training on the first loop of Gunbird 2 and on Mushihimesama original.
Gotta love fast bullets !
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>>150092804
Good luck, we're all counting on you.
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Anyone knows if the Raiden III on Steam is any good? Most of the review sounds like they're complaining it wasn't remastered or anything
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>>150096214
My controller wouldnt work with it so I refunded it. I've heard nothing but bad things
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>>150096214
I heard they're all bad on Steam except Raiden IV. It's still on sale in that bundle but I've never played any Raiden and I don't know if it is for me.
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Watch out /shmupg/!
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Crimzon Clover is the best game you can play to impress your wife's son.
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>>150096214
download the pc port for free from pcisos
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what did they mean by this?
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>>150102148
"The pleasure of asphyxiation"
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why don't cave games go past stage 3? is it some sort of mysticism about the number 3 in japan?
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Someone post witch bot meglilo pro strats
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twitch,tv/goati_

G-Darius starting now!
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>>150106873
didn't it just release?

>>150112018
wew
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Rosalie and Cattleya have passed Ranun on the rankings. Surprise surprise. And the demon girls are still far behind the main five. More surprise.

Only thing surprising to me is that Rosalie hadn't been in first from the word go.
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>>150112018
does dbcb have pokeballs too?
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>>150112690
Nope, no enemy capturing like in Gaiden/G.
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>>150092804
Good luck dude. Remember that no matter how poorly you think you're doing, you're much better than you think.
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What're you doing on this Saturday night? Getting new high scores?
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>>150116397
arm hurts so not playing
funny thing is I haven't really played anything in a week so I don't think it's caused by shmups
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>>150116397
I tried to graze more than usual and I managed to greatly improve my PB. I had ~65m before.
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>>150116397
Actually tired of shmups, so I'm dooming instead.
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>>150117270
>~65m
Whoops, I meant ~65b.
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>>150116397
I burned out, taking a week or two break before diving in again. Still stream hopping though.
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>>150092804
Welcome! I hope you're ready for despair and suffering.
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>>150116397
My faith grows weaker.
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>>150116397
superplaying ff7
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>>150116397
Getting frustrated at CCWI again. This game is just a bad joke difficulty wise
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>>150117270
Congrats anon. Getting new PBs is always a good feeling.

>>150118243
>>150118421
I know that feeling. I actually think I burned out of Doom and that's why I went back to shmups.

>>150118595
Faith in what, though?

As for me, I think I'm going to relax and play some more Etrian Odyssey 4. I beat the final boss, but the postgame dungeon is a real bitch so progress on that is pretty slow. Petrify is such a nasty status ailment...

If all goes well I should be attempting Mushi Maniac again either tonight or tomorrow.
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Someone talk about something. Anything. Or else.
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Her palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's bullets on her bug already, Aki's spamhetti
She's nervous, but on the surface she looks calm and ready
To throw bombs, but she keeps on forgettin'
What she dodged now, the whole stage goes so loud
She tosses her bombs, but they won't save her now
She's dyin', how, bullets flyin' now
The lives run out, times up, GAME OVER, BLAOW!
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He has no style
He has no grace
This scrub, copies all of his plays
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>>150126341
HE CAN COUNTERSTOP
WHEN HE NEEDS TO
AND STRETCH HIS SCORE OUT
JUST FOR YOU
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>>150126341
2bh the only reason I still haven't beaten fufufu's run now that he posted it is because of the fucking 1 additional frame of input lag in mame
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Espgaluda is fun
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>>150126628
same
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got a pb by 10 million on ketsui loop 1
not going to play the second loop until I get more than 220m
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>>150118959
g-git gud
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>>150135956
y-you too!
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>>150128329
Actually Espgaluda sucks, you fell for a meme.
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AAA
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>>150140918
U suck
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>>150140918
W-why?
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>>150141652
steam release when?
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Today's video is another Fairy Wars scoring run by Chum, but this time it's on route A1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK9twmZNgS0
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>>150143970
>playing 2hu
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>>
thinking of taking out the B and C buttons out of the control panel and torturing myself with the prongs and cutting off my fingers with them, before finally ritually sacrificing the bloody buttons by means of a hammer, to end my bombing and autofiring habits and become a reformed shmupper
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>>150148720
why not just use them?
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>>150142609
right after takumi releases dc mars matrix for steam
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>>150150149
doesn't capcom own mars matrix? there is no hope
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Can someone translate these for me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5_yK4ft2z0
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>>150152995
>tfw no english dub
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>>150152995
I can give it a try in a little bit. Results not guaranteed.
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>>150153276
>dub
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>>150155742
What? I need this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8qG4AlK1qk
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>>150152995
i don't remember this much dialogue in that game
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>>150106873
is it good?
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>tfw hand still trembling from physical work
no 1cc today I guess
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>>150112393
Rosalie best tsundere
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>>150117270
There's 4 zeros unoccupied, keep the hard work anon!
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>>150116503
You think rsi injuries disappear in a week? try months if you're lucky and smart.
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>tfw friends keep inviting you to go to the pub and all you want to do is stay home and shmup
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>tfw neet but can't find any motivation practice
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>>150152995
>>150155620
http://yasshi0916.web.fc2.com/words/musiv.html
too lazy to translate it myself
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>>150161265
Sometimes tsundere. But best nonetheless.

>>150162064
What's this? It doesn't seem to be displaying correctly, which is weird since other Japanese websites usually display properly. http://imgur.com/Cus4Yit.jpg
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>>150162517
It displayed correctly here. Try set encoding to shift_JIS should work.
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>>150162064
>http://yasshi0916.web.fc2.com/words/musiv.html
>>150162517
doesn't display for me either
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>>150109241

God I want to lick her feet so bad.
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>>150163754
>http://yasshi0916.web.fc2.com/words/musiv.html
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Did anyone play a shmup today?
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>>150164550
Uh, huh... can you settle for this girl instead?

>>150165514
I played a bunch of shmups today technically since my stream ran until 5 AM from last night and I played some extra Gradius and Galaga, NES versions a few hours ago.

Or well, I guess it's been a new "today" for an hour and a half now. In which case I have to say no, I haven't played a shmup yet today.
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How many hours should I pour on Mushi per day? My plan is to 1cc Original, Maniac and Arrange with a reasonable score.
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>>150167837
depends on your starting point
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>>150152995
1. Ready
2. I'm going!
3. You're a big guy "Wow, it's big!"
4. God, where are you?
5. Ah, there's a lot...
6. I've come to an amazing place (?)
7. Something's coming out?
8. Even though it's a cave, it's bright
(as a time check, line number 8 is at :34)
9. Long legs
10. Ah, it feels close...
11. Oh, are you the one? (?)
12. Yay!
13. Pon!! [Just a yell, I believe]
14. stop dying you fucking asshole I'm not wearing any panties so this is really rough fuck I hope your ears hurt now you prick
15. I've been waiting for this! I'm not memeing this time, I mean I could be wrong but I think that's what it is.

Numbers denoted by a (?) are ones that I'm especially uncertain of. The rest should at least be decently accurate. I think. I'll do the rest later, stopped for now after the final Reco line before Aki's first line (1:13 or something like that in the video).
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>>150169590
>13. Pon!! [Just a yell, I believe]
I may not have any idea of any of the other ones but I think this is "Bomb!"
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>>150170146
According to >>150162064, she's saying "ぽ~ん" which is "Po~n". Perhaps it's meant to sound phonetically like "bomb", I guess.

Though I suppose there's the offchance that "pon" means "bomb" in Japanese, but then I'd just feel silly.
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>>150169590
Reco proved to be a lewd memer
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何か出てきたぞぉ~
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>>150173063
????
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God damn, it's hard to concentrate when it's so hot lately.
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Rename to /dsg/ - Deathsmiles General when?
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>>150178051
Only when there's no airplanesexuals left.
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gonna reach that 1 tril points soon
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>>150178051
Nah. I talk too much, that's all. I don't mean to bog the thread down like that, but I guess it kinda happens.

And I'm also not making the OP next time either.

>>150179245
Good luck!
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>>150179245
Go for it!
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>>150179245
Kill the Kraut
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Today will be the day I 1cc bugprincess original.
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>>150125452
I appreciated this
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>>150133515
Good job. What's you 1st loop PB now? I want to read about your progress more so do keep posting.
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>>150183063
stream
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Nice bug, bug princess !

>>150185981
Not possible with my shitty internet and laptop. Besides, how would you be able to train while watching a stream ?
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Starting a stream in the next 5 minutes.

twitch tv/infirex
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i am also streaming
twitch tv/troojg
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There are 3 streams I want to watch up now, I can't keep up
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>>150189576
your screen is flipped on the side
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>>150186618
wtf is going on in that picture
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>>150190761
high effort porting
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>>150190761
When I started to play the background didn't load and each sprite started to leave a trace.
Went on with the level for shit and giggles and it went back to normal with the transition to level 2.
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>>150190970
i have the game and play a shit ton never seen anything like that

>>150191449
why don't you make the screen go to the top and bottom? reeeeeee
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>>150191589
How do I do that ?
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>>150191734
something under options titled "zoom"
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>>150189879

>not watching 4 streams at once
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>>150191829
Found it right after posting but thanks anon, now I see life differently.
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>>150192645
Link for bug princess stream?
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>>150193115
>>150189576
That was me but I switched to WITCH-BOT MEGLILO because everyone was getting a sore neck.
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>>150193593
Why was it sideways?
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>>150193683
I flip my monitor on its side to play mushi and I haven't figured out how to fix it for the steam yet.
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>>150192645
>watching four games at the same time
>not playing eight games at the same time
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>>150193593
bah i missed it
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>>150197121
sry i ragequit because i kept crashing into stationary objects like a nob
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>>150193993
Apparently xsplit has a feature to do that, but not OBS. I don't know how xsplit works but you could try tinkering with that.
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>>150188578
Hell yeah! I managed to beat stage 4 boss and reached stage 5, which doesnt fuck around. On top of that, I improved my score by about 100B points.

Thanks for watching!
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>>150197546
neato
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>>150197546
good job
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>>150185759
216 now, last time I played it was 205, could have been 220+ if I hadn't wasted my bombs at the end because I didn't want to go to the 2nd loop and died on the zako rush after the tiger schwert clones buggy rush
there is still a lot of progress left to do! like learning how to emptylock properly
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>>150197245
>sry i ragequit because i kept crashing into stationary objects like a nob
meh it's ok, i could do something like that too. how is witchbot?
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>TLB has an insane pattern
>Trick is to remain completely still
REEEEEEEEE
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>>150203149
It's pretty fun. It's got a really stupid story which is fun, and also some interesting shooting because of all the weird formations you get. The teleport thing is fun too.
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Why don't you have 4824 hours in a game, /shmupg/?
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>>150207907
> 600+ hours on DOJ 360
> not even counting PS2 version and mame
> tfw when I'm still shit
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>>150209454
>tfw when
post you're scores
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>>150207907
Is that 4824 hours in one game with one ship or is it divided across many modes and ships?
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>>150210550
It's Yusu-ke's playtime, so it's divided between the several categories he has WRs in.
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>>150211793
Wikipedia says he has 10 world records. Assuming he never played any other category once, that averages 428 hours per record. The DOJ anon above is more dedicated than this guy.
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>>150212282
482*
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>>150209970
500m on WL
700m on BL
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>>150212282
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(in thick southern drawl) Go Play Crimzon Clover.
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>>150216379
That's not so bad! DOJ is a hard game so you're bound to put in a lot of time
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>>150217013
>36 categories
>4824/36
>134hrs each on average
>only 300 lunatic clears
casual as fuck 2bh
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my face whence using autofire in darius gaiden
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>>150220642
MathU frowns upon you, my son.
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>>150221016
he can suck my diznick desu
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>>150220642
>click on stream
>streamer is chill, playing cool games and doing well
>then he suddenly uses crutches like autofire, savestates, and bombs
>close stream, unfollow him, block him on twitter
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>>150221053
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>>150221352
You forgot the black guy.
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>>150221634
>>150221352
Got ya covered, familia
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>>150221923
>posting old memes
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>>150221923
>not posting pic related
wew lad
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>>150222412
more like good kid maad overrated tbqh
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>>150222051
says facebook frog
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>>150183063
Well, today was not the day. Died against the final boss with two bombs in stock. Still, not long ago I was stuck at level 3 so I feel good. Eschewing full runs completely to spam training mode kind of pays off.
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>>150222808
frogposting is a worldwide phenomenon
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>>150223115
That's a big bug
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>>150223115
he's a big bug
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Another hot day. How am I supposed to clear Mushi Maniac under these conditions? Stupid heat.
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>>150223661
If he shot you, would you die?
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>>150223385
yeah, and he's a 10+ year old meme
>>
>>150223661
for you
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>>150223661
>>150223716
Banemind

>>150223743
You're full of excuses!
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Why doesn't Reco just ride the Stage 3 bug to Aki?
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>>150223802
he's transcended being a meme
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>>150224063
>You're full of excuses!
Damn straight.

>>150224210
Because Kiniro just feels so good.
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>>150224462
He is now known as Kek, chaotic frog god of destruction.
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>>150226173
Will meme magic help me finally get a WR?
>>
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>>150223115
I've never seen it like this :O
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Could someone upload their CCWI bkeep0000.dat file? Steam ate my saves and I don't wanna unlock Z again.
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>>150230443
>Steam ate my saves
how that?
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I really want to cut myself because I didn't practice today.
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>>150238338
Even champions need a day off
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>>150238338
It's ok I beat my pb
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which version of ketsui has the 2nd loop
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>>150242902
any
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>>150243041
ah alright, are there any notable differences between the ones on shmupmame
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>>150243923
I'd stick with Master, but not completely sure.
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I deserve to die.
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Do you think I could make a living out of producing waifu shmups?
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>>150243923
just play [ket]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq-ThqIZAJI

Best version of Ketsui right here.
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>>150250080

just what the hell is this
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Undertale is my favorite shmup. What other shmups are like it?
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>>150253705
Check out Luftrausers and Nuclear Throne, they're really good danmakus.
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Hey /shmupg/. I put together a simple shmup level for /agdg/'s space jam and I'd really appreciate it if I could get some feedback from you guys. The good, the bad, everything.

https://boxes.itch.io/space-jam-shmup
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>>150258479
JESUS CHRIST, WHY DID YOU MADE BULLEST SO FAST COMPARED TO YOUR SHIP?
I also hope you have planned something like missile refill.
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>>150258479
Cons:
>ship is slow as fuck
>HUD resolution issues
>missiles are limited with no recovery
>no way to see your score after you lose your last life
>GML

Pros:
>methodical masterpiece
>>
SOMEONE STREAAM I DON T CR IF UR SHIT
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>>150258479
>>150259878
Also
>nonstandard shooting controls and no way to remap
>score pickups are random
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>>150259878
>no way to see your score after you lose your last life
Wait, you actually can, I'm retarded.
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Alright, I'm hungry but I wanna do my stream thing before I eat. So I'm gonna start the stream in a few minutes and hopefully get the Mushi Maniac 1cc real quick yeah right

http://twitch tv/harrykoakuma
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>>150264551
>http://twitch tv/harrykoakuma
swiggity swooty muschi got dat booty
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>>150264551
>Pon!
What did she mean by this?
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>Open stream
>Streamer is using crutches like shooting or dodging
>Close stream
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>>150264551
It might be time to consider training mode stage 5.
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>>150221352
What if bombing is essential to getting high score?
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>open stream
>guy just beat his PB by like one million
>close stream
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>>150258479
I'm really hungover right now, I'll play it and tell you what I think later.
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>>150264551
Stream's over, thanks for watching. A few runs that ended at Aki, but otherwise no real progress today. I feel like I'm taking too long to get this...

>>150266516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xu95Nh_Nl0

>>150268350
DS2 Windia is so cute. It's a shame what happened to Casper, though...

>>150269394
Yeah, I got that feeling too. I'll have to practice it more.
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>>150243923
>ah alright, are there any notable differences between the ones on shmupmame
I'l answer this because the noobian fuck tards here don't have a clue as usual, the main difference between the latest rom and the 2 others is you get invincibility at the start of every stage instead of just the first whereas the other 2 have you vulnerable immediately. There are also a couple bug fixes but honestly the chances of you encountering them is low (one was something to do with mashing buttons during stage transitions).
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>playing on an emulator
Lmao, buy the PS3 or 360 game or get out.
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>>150275663
Which game?
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bpum
>>
bmup
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Today IS the day I'll 1CC Bugprincess original and you can't stop me !
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>>150281218
Good luck with that, anon!
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>>150281218
>tfw last time when i played mushihimesama this is where i got and havent played since

1cc some day some time
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY48iTyLrmk
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Dodge, /shmupg/, dodge!
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Don't dodge, /shmupg/, don't dodge!
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>>150288107
>>150288689
Too baad, because I'm busy taking my shipfu for a walk.
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Graze, /shmupg/, graze!
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Suicide, /shmupg/, suicide!
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>>150288689
Yup, safe spot is the only way
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OOOOOH
>>
RECO-CHA
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Next CAVE game on Steam when?
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>>150294123
Die Fuck Cats is coming """"soon""""
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>>150294123
never ever
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You better keep this thread alive with discussions while i'm fighting sleep deprivation.
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>>150290715
they're not talking about safe spots but accurate routing
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rec some irc channels shmupg
discord is a piece of shit that doesnt respect my freedumbs
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>>150298673
Why not Discord, friend?
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I got a job. Fuck.
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>>150300132
you can still find time to play shmups if you really want to!
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>he's not a professional shmupper
laughing @ you're life
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>>150298673
Done.
irc://irc.rizon.net/shmupg

>>150300104
IRC is a methodical masterpiece.
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>>150300552
i joined irc but theres only 1 guy there
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>>150300917
Of course there's only one guy. The channel was created 10 minutes ago.
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>>150300227
Time isn't the problem. I just don't want the job.
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>>150301227
Think of all the PCBs you'll be able to buy.
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>>150300307
https://www.patreon.com/Jaimers
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>>150302184
>0 patrons
>$0 per month
Poor Jaimers :( He definitely could deserve some bucks.
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>>150302751
He makes money from Youtube views
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>>150302751
>t. Jaimers
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>>150303059
Really? Can't be that much though.

>>150303095
Hey, Jaimers is cool. At least he play well.
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>>150302751
>>150303194
Hello, Jaimers.
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Does archive anon also get money Jewtube clicks?
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in JSS what determines if you randomly drop an extend on death?
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>>150303760
It is not random. Extends drop based on a hidden enemy kill counter, and your ship dying adds to this counter. If the counter increase from dying makes it cross the extend line, you spawn an extend as you die.

That's for the extends that drop kill count, there are also static extend drops such as those you get from the TLBs. The hidden ship generates a lower kill-count and gets less extends.
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If you can get money from Jewtube clicks, why don't we all just make Jewtube channels and click each other constantly?
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>>150306481
I don't want you to make money. Let's all live in poverty together.
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>>150302184
>https://www.patreon.com/Jaimers
Awesome I'll definitely pay him as much as i pay cave to play there games.

>I use mame exclusively.
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>>150307807
>being poor
>not supporting the only good shmup developer
>not supporting the Best in the West on patreon
smdh
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>>150306481
id rather play shumps
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bump...
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Fuck yea, top 20 baby! Slow and steady, slow an steady...
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>>150304895
>The hidden ship generates a lower kill-count and gets less extends.
Do you know what level option unlocks the hidden ship?
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>>150314623
You unlock the secret ship by clearing Special mode, which in turn is unlocked by clearing Normal or Hard (or Easy, I'm not sure). Using extra lives, supershot, etc will still unlocki them, only stage select is off limits for this purpose - most people use cheats to unlock the secret ship since Special mode is painful to clear.
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>>150312062
Interesting that you have the highest break rate on the page, where are you losing points then you clit?
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>>150312062
Nobody cares. You already failed your promise. Fuck off back to Skyrim forever.
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>>150298673
We should set up a mumble server.
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>>150316723
The other obviously got further than me. I only made it to stage 4.
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>>150316873
>bananafaggot is THIS mad because the kraut is about to make him his bitch
LOL
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>>150317097
>>bananafaggot
He's only good at watching and copying others routes anyway,
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>>150317209
What's wrong with copying routes? Everybody does this.
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>>150312062
>highest break rate on the page
>only at stage 4
You've got this Kraut, keep at it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY-45DjRk_E
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>>150317659
less talky more play
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>>150317380
This desu.
You aren't going to reinvent the wheel, get over yourself.
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>game doesn't have any good waifus
Why even fucking play?
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>>150315354
>Special mode is painful to clear.
>painful
or borderline impossible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQPDAJJpItc
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>>150319618
It just looks like a boss rush, what makes it harder than the main game?
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>>150320432
I don't think E3 even appears in the game, not sure about the others. According to one of the comments as of last year SFKhoa and one other guy are the only people to have ever cleared it using the default ship.
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>>150319490
Because it's fun
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>>150321040
DELETE THIS
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>>150323143
Nice
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>>150323143
Very methodical.
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>>150323143
That was close, but good job!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDwck-UNJLM
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>>150323868
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>>150324368
>>
Is this a methodical masterpiece¿
https://youtu.be/sM0SGyAmefk
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>>150324454
This is more difficult than it looks like.
When I tried there always came some rocks through the shot and hit me.
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>>150325095
Just bad luck. If your option positioning is correct there's only a small chance of that happening.
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>tfw cant get past stage 4 of gradius
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>>150281218
Did it !
Was starting to feel disheartened throughout the day but I finally made it with one more life in stock. Original mode was fun, there's a strong chance I'll come back for scoring runs when I'll be good enough to no miss it.
Practicing a game without savestates is definitely slower but I really want to try Maniac now, although I might focus more on Gunbird 2 because the game is awesome and a no miss no bomb on the first loop is definitely in reach.
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>>150326536
you and harry can race for the maniac clear
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>>150326887
Sounds fun. I didn't start practicing it yet so I hope he isn't too far ahead already.
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>>150327095
Sounds like he used it as a basic guideline instead of copying it completely like a chimp
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>>150317209
> copying route
you know that even japanese top players watch others playing right? everybody learn from each other and WRs on most games have been improved collectively by the whole community.

"TKS: So what led you to start working on a high score for Black Label?
HFD: It was definitely the fact that the white label DVD had come out. I was using that as a reference for basic patterns through Black Label. I first learned that you could connect the combo through stage four via that DVD. That was when I discovered how fun it is to connect up combos in this game.

TKS: The impact of that DVD was that great, huh?
HFD: Actually way before that, I had gone all the way to Ogikubo to a game store that sold game stuff early to pick up the Dodonpachi superplay video. That video really stunned me... I just kept thinking about how awesome it would be if I could play like that."
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>>150327450
well you get the idea, everybody "copy" each other. either you improve the route, either you make it easier by skipping stuff. why not copying a top player if you have the skill to do so?
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>>150326536
Congrats.

>>150326887
Ooh, but this guy sounds a lot better than I am already...

>>150327284
I'm quite far in it, actually. I've made it to Aki several times, but somehow or another I blow it every time. It's like a curse by this point. I can't remember the last time I've been this close to a 1cc but was unable to break through that last little bit for this long.
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You can't just copy a superplayer without understanding why they're doing what they're doing. That's something that can only come from experience/experimentation.
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>can't get past stage 4 in Mushi Arrange
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>>150329294
you mean 3 isn't the last stage?
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>>150329294
If I see that fucking bug one more time
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>>150329294
o shit waddup
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>>150329294
>>can't get past stage 4 in Mushi Arrange
Christ that mode is a cake walk until the end, stop dragging your dick and try harder.

>>150327582
There is a line though, even top players do little things differently from each other but completely ripping a run without an ounce of your own experiment/idea/effort is gay as fuck and pointless I mean where's the achievement there? Half the fun imo is routing things a lil differently if possible although gaijin so ass we have to remap everything from superplays to fit our sub par skill anyway.
>>
Speaking of replays, does anyone have a good one for Mushihimesama Maniac ? I found the autofire off WR on youtube but no good score with autofire. Or does the use of autofire techniques for scoring not change the route ?
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>>150327750
Because I don't have the skill to do so.
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>>150330830
>I mean where's the achievement there?
Getting a good score?
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>>150330830
You make it sound as if games have always umpteens of ways as optimal routes. That's not the case though. There is mostly just one perfect route you can take which is objectively the best, that's why you have to copy a lot when trying to make a good score.
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Rosalie continues to hold the lead. Meanwhile, Ranun's position falls again as Plumeria overtakes her, and even Souffle is starting to close the gap between the two of them. Demon girls abandon all hope.

I've gotten the five cards from the event stages and thank goodness because the BGM for the stages was really starting to get grating.
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>only 2 people in the irc

Why is this thread so cucked for nonfree software like steam and discord?
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>>150338023
I've been entering and leaving the IRC all day. Face it man, this is one of the more dead generals on the board.
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>>150338023
>>150338432
>"The nickname "Casper" is already in use"
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>>150339092
Also I had no idea how to use IRC until just now. If people start hanging out there then I'll start hanging out there too. Though I'm not sure if we're really active enough to have a chat room aside the /vg/ thread as well...
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>>150315354
>You unlock the secret ship by clearing Special mode
I need to grind out more option levels to clear normal
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>>150332772
There are literally no good autofire replays.
The best I know of is the STGW replay but it's not even 50% of the WR.
Don't even bother with auto, there's no point unless you have some insane setup like SWY.
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>>150338023
I'm shy
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>>150317659
god this guy is so cute
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>>150346308
Yess
But not as cute as aqy though.
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any reccomendations for snes/genesis games to put on my vita?
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>all these retards misunderstanding icycalm

If he can't force it through your thick skulls then there is no way in hell I can, but I thought I'd point out that you're all mentally handicapped to make this general less of a hugbox.
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Are there any good shmups on PC?
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>>150349616
Touhou
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>>150347857
should have specified, shmups to put on it
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>>150349756
space megaforce
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>>150349016
Who is icycalm and what are you referring to?
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>>150350239
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>>149981034
>>149981269
>>must be played exactly once
>* 1cc'd exactly once, also no credit feeding ever.

What the fuck does this even mean?

He just said that you shouldn't credit feed. His reasoning being:

1. It makes the game too easy.
2. It's boring and stupid to play the same part of a stage a billion times in a row.
3. Credit feeding is not intended to be part of the game by the creators.
4. Serious players in serious arcades play this way.

Most of that is in his arcade culture essay, not the one about scoring.

BTW: Everyone loves "Arcade Culture" because he doesn't say bad words or mean things. But when he writes in a not-so-nice way, people freak out and go full Tumblr.
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>>150350908
but all the best japanese shmup players credit feed
are they not a part of "arcade culture" ?
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>>150350239
Never mind.

>>150350538
Follett's head is even more round than Casper's, y'know!
>>
Follet's head is naturally round. Casper just has a horrible case of Deathsmiles 2.
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>>150350538
3 eyebrows
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any of you jokers manage to hit level 50 in a marathon stage in cs? i need pro strats
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What can I play waiting for Daifukkatsu?

I'll try to do some achievements on Mushi while the game comes out I guess
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>>150356075
play Kaikan
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>>150356075
A good DDP game
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>>150356075
dfk on mame
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>>150356157
got some weird results, I'll check it out
>>150356232
fuck off
>>150356330
Wanna build my hype for the steam version, not a superplayer, I mostly want it because the soundtrack, I'm trying to get better though
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>>150356528
>got some weird results, I'll check it out
you need to search for "Kaikan game", i think Kaikan is also the name of some manga or another
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>>150356528
play doj then
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>>150356075
Play Strania!
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>>150356919
that's not a bad Idea actually
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>>150356075
Progear
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>>150358554
>t. asshurt 2hufag
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the two mirror shields are assholes
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Shmup is a silly word. There I said it.
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>>150347857
MUSHA
Axelay
That's all I got
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>>150365763
Only gaijin say shmup
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Is it that time of night again...?
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give me one reason to care about a single thing icyclam says

protip you can't.
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>>150366749
i guess my tastes are the same since those were already the first ones i got basically
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>>150369217
You're playing the game incorrectly!!! reee
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>>150368735
the time of mushi 1ccs?
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>>150326536
good job
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>>150361194
It is pretty funny he used to shit on Cave all the time yet decided to git gud at the most Cave-inspired shmup recently, and his only complaints he could bring up with Cave is because their later games have girls in them.
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>>150361194
Happy now, Bananafaggot?
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>>150374351
fox and grapes
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>>150374351
CCWI is Cave done right, fucktard. That's why I play it. Cave is ok, but it's quite generic in my eyes, but CCWI is on another level.
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>>150374660
CCWI is more methodical not because of the artstyle, but because of the lock-on system and the break mode.
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instead of admitting he was wrong because of his lack of experience, the kraut doubles down on looking like a fool

as one would expect
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>>150378597
How can I be wrong? There is not a single Cave game with the depth of CCWI. They don't have the gameplay, they are not as polished, they don't have the graphics, artstyle, music, etc

CCWI is objectively ahead of any Cave game. Like I said, Cave is ok, but I find it pretty overrated, and am not a big fan of their waifu pandering artstyles.
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>>150379097
>There is not a single Cave game with the depth of CCWI.
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>>150338432
Use a IRC client and stay in the channel. Idling is an integral part of the IRC experience.
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>>150379216
Show me a Cave game with a mechanic similar to the lock-on mechanic in CCWI. Cave doesn't have mechanics like this, because they are not about shooting, but about dodging.

CCWI is also inspired by games like Rayforce that's why it's objectively better.
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>>150356075
>What can I play waiting for Daifukkatsu?
Honestly don't play anything because it'll only make DFK even more disappointing than it already is, no trolls it's a shit game.
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It's great that we have activity and all, but doesn't it get boring attacking Kraut all the time? I may not agree with all the stuff he says, but he doesn't seem unreasonable enough to be targeted.

Like I feel like I'm missing something here.
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>>150379576
ketsui has lock-on
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>>150334614
>Getting a good score?
A score that someone else already has in the exact same way they did it? Wow such an achievement you must be proud to emulate someone.
>>150335059
That's not really true though there is a fair amount of freedom to approach survival differently in most games in correlation with scoring, sure there are some really strict 1 way only beasts but to my knowledge even ddp daioujou has different ways of attaining the same score albeit minor things.
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>>150379934
>Like I feel like I'm missing something here.
Yeah bollocks you beta cuck, go have a pot noodle and a wank if you can't take the danmaku shit flinging.
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>>150380110
That's not comparable. Using the Ketsui lock-on takes no skills.
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>>150379576
>Show me a Cave game with a mechanic similar to the lock-on mechanic in CCWI.
Who cares? That's Crimson Clover's gimmick, it's no deeper than any one of Cave's gimmicks.
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>>150380306
Using Crimzon Clover's lock on attack doesnt take any skills either
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>>150380154
>A score that someone else already has in the exact same way they did it? Wow such an achievement you must be proud to emulate someone.
If you really would perfectly copy a superplay run, this would be way more difficult than just copying parts of it and mixing it with your own routes (which is what I do).

I know you have no idea what you are talking about, because you just talk out of your ass, but the superplay run from Makki in CCWI is already almost perfect. He already said himself, that it's hardly improvable anymore. And if I actually would be able to copy it perfectly, this would be a wayy bigger achievement than just copying parts of it.
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>>150380154
Post your high scores with totally original routes or stop talking nonsense
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>>150380450
Of course it's deeper, because it actually also requires shooting skills. It requires you to be able to aim with the lock-on correctly.
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>>150380665
>the superplay run from Makki in CCWI is already almost perfect. He already said himself, that it's hardly improvable anymore
>someone no one ever heard of got an almost perfect score a year or two after CC came out
>famous superplayer fufufu got a new ddp doj WR score 14 years after the game came out
>There is not a single Cave game with the depth of CCWI.
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>>150380557
Post your score in CCWI or STFU. Using the lock-on correctly in this game is difficult as fuck.
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>>150380879
>It requires you to be able to aim with the lock-on correctly.
>lock on covers half the screen and hits everything as soon as you release the button
>""""""""""aim""""""""""""
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>>150380958
Post your score in Ketsui or STFU.
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>>150380916
CCWI also doesn't have bullshit TLBs which entirely depend on luck to not die.
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>>150380665
>If you really would perfectly copy a superplay run, this would be way more difficult than just copying parts of it and mixing it with your own routes (which is what I do).
Exactly mixed with YOUR OWN routes.

>>150380665
>but the superplay run from Makki in CCWI is already almost perfect.
So why play it? what a waste of fucking time. Get a decent hobby with creativity and movement you sad robot fuck.
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>>150380916
>He already said himself
Reverse psychology to remove the competition strats.
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>>150380993
Yes, it is a form of aiming, when you constantly have to time kill shit with the lock-ons. Just ike it is a form of aiming, when you constantly have to gradually build your multiplier with the lock-on by first locking on to a few enemies, then a few more enemies, and then as many enemies as possible.
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>>150381104
>Exactly mixed with YOUR OWN routes.
The only reason you mix it with your own routes is because the superplay is too hard for you.

>So why play it?
Because it is fun to play the game? When SWY plays a game he also plays it because he saw better players playing it and thought it looks fun to play like this. For me it's the same.

The difficult part about routing is not just to come up with your own routes, but especially also to actually being able to EXECUTE your routes. Just because you saw someone else doing a route, doesn't mean you are able to do it yourself too. Being able to execute this shit often takes a shitton of practice.
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>>150381450
SWY often ends up being the WR holder at somepoint whereas you never do he can only achieve such by using intuition and further routing to be better than it is at the time so stop trying to compare yourself as you have nothing in common with him. You're in reality just the typical hedonistic gamer tard who doesn't have a thinking bone in his body so just sit there all day trying to play a game like a robot, SAD!.
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>>150381450
first correct post kraut has made in this thread

the other guy, who sounds like the angry britbong, is an idiot
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>>150381647
I never even said I'd play like SWY, fucktard. All I say is just that I am not the only one who copies routes, and the the fun part about routing is not just creating your own routes, but actually it is being able to execute routes.

Why do you think developers would release superplay routes when it would take away the fun part of the game by already showing the most optimal routes? Using our logic, they would destroy their own game with this, by spoilering everything for the player.

However, you are just another casual who never even tried to play good, that's why you shit on people who try to play good, and call them robots, autists, aspies or whatever.

Protip: Everything which takes skills, requires you to practice like robot, dumbass.
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>>150379934
They just can't learn it.
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>tips bug
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Do you think WR holders appreciate how lucky they are that their own 100% original donut steel routes just happened to be the ones that consistently give the most points?
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>>150382146
>Protip: Everything which takes skills, requires you to practice like robot, dumbass.
Unlike you i actually know this all to well, come back and talk to me when you have achieved anything in life that isn't silly fucking videogames and required ACTUAL hardwork. You're a fucking joke.
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>>150384492
>lucky
>just happened to be
This has little to do with luck. They just practiced the hardest mostly right after the game came out.
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>>150384706
I'm sorry not everyone mastered the art of sucking dicks, asshole.
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>>150384706
>being THIS MAD because the kraut is better than you at silly fucking videogames
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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>>150384774
Wrecked desu
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>>150384719
>right after the game came out
When the highest scores are only a fraction of what they eventually become
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>>150385374
This entirely depends on how difficult the scoring system of the game is, but mostly you can already get a "perfect" run a few years after the game came out.
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>>150385524
Or better said a few months after
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>>150384912
dumb frog poster
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>>150385524
>>150385602
It depends on how popular the game is. When a big game comes out all of the most talented players go in hard on it. They can reach scores in a few months that lesser players would take years to match.
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>>150386114
Usually, no matter the game, there is always some crazy Japanese dude, who comes up with an incredible score a few months after the game came out.

Of course this score could still be better, but really not by much.
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Would you guys watch a stream of someone bad at shmups playing shmups?
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>>150388534
i'd put it on my second screen whilst kuso playing my own shmup
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>>150388534
Only if they did their best.
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>>150388717
I always do my best.

But I am terrible.
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>>150388534
Of course, please do. At the very least it would help me feel secure by proving that there are worse players than me.
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STREAM NOW
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Who is krautkun?
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>>150389768
The Best in the West
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>>150389810
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blue revolver FREAKING never
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>>150391487
What is blue revolver?
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>>150393436
Read the OP.
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>>150395771
>bunny ears
oh lawd no, never dropped faster in my life
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Got to Stage 5 on Progear
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>>150400256
Why did reco shrink and put a bowl on her head?
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is qp shooting good? its a buck on groupees
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>>150397752
kek
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fucking hell
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So since copying superplays seems to be forbidden now, does that mean I should only play new and fresh games?
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Just realized my toaster of a laptop is giving me extra slowdown on Mushi. Should have sticked to shmupmame.
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>>150415295
Only unknown doujin games can be played for score now.
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Everything is cheating.
The only way to be sure you're not cheating is to not play at all.
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>>150415739
Thank god, haven't cheated in a while then.
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Can you fuck a ship?
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>>150415470
Of course, maybe I could become the new Jaimers like this!
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>>150415935
I want to have sex with R9-A Arrowhead-chan!
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>>150415935
No, but ships can fuck you which is even better!
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>>150415935
I want to marry a nopan KAMUI-tan!
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>>150416368
What to heck
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>>150416263
Good taste!
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>>150416430
Get out, Kamui is mine.
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>>150416368
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how the hell do you hit level 50 in cardinal sins marathon? or is this some shit that is impossible
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>>150419192
Level 50 shouldn't be impossible, the rank drives the suicide bullets to ridiculousness starting from after that and on level 60-70. Try adjusting your patterns to account for the addition of suicide bullets.
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>>150419586
which stage do you suggest? I've been doing envy and 44 is the best I've managed
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>>150415935

I'd rather fuck boats.
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>>150419731
I like Wrath and Lust personally, though Lust is probably harder than Envy. In Wrath you only get suicide bulleted when killing the mirror shield and get cancels from both mirror shield kills and level gains, and the boss pattern could be more memo-heavy than the enemies in other stages.
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>>150421084
>Lust is probably harder than Envy
lust seems like it would have the same issue as envy, insane suicide bullets everywhere
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Early boop
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Can you fuck a shmup waifu?
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Pretty late boop
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I hate this attack soooo much....
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>>150427524
prepare slowdown gems or aura for this
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After practicing stage 4 for half an hour I made it to the final stage without any problems. Arrange is not that hard, I just make stupid mistakes in every real run.
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>>150428495
looks hard for me
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Bumping with Rosalie!
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what is generally the agreed option type for mushihimesama
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>>150432390
For normal original, S. For normal anything else, W. Arrange lets you switch between what shot you're using, so what you choose doesn't matter. For 1.5 original, M or S. For 1.5 anything else, W, or maybe M if you want to move a little faster and don't mind the drop in score.
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>>150432773
isnt w better than s if you are a pro at point blanking?
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>>150433776
W is definitely the most versatile.
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>>150439368
Windia looks like she's really in pain. what happened?
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everytime i die in a shmup i inexplicably shart my panties

what do
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>>150439665
stop dying
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>>150439512
The same thing that happens three times a day every weekday and four on weekends: Windia was touching herself inappropriately. I don't know why her climax is so painful. She should probably see a doctor.

>>150439665
You might want to see a doctor as well. Or stop playing shmups with full bowels.
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everytime i die in a shmup i die irl

what do?
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>>150439665
u a cute trap?
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Is it even possible to get better at shmups?
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>>150442745
Be attitude for gains.
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>>150442745
Only if you sell your soul to them.
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>>150442745
Only if you follow proper arcade etiquette.
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>tfw irc is already dead
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>still using IRC
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>>150443917
why have an irc at all? why not just post in the thread?
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>>150444274
>implying shitcord is better
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>>150444283
why not post on irc and on thread
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>>150444445
>1 off
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>>150432773
i meant the little drones that follow you should i use formatoin or trace
also i thought people said W was the worst
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>>150442745
Only if you don't use crutches like bombs, savestates and/or autoshot.
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>>150445079
i like formation
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>>150443917
Nobody was saying anything for hours.

>>150445079
I prefer formation.
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>>150443917
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>>150444640
barely anything is said here. do we need two places to say nothing? i don't even understand why there is a sister thread in /vr/
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>>150446684
fucking cave
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>>150445079
It really depends on difficulty, personal taste, etc., but I usually use trace for the latter parts of the game because it's easier to maintain focus on a single point or have them spread out.
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>>150445024
>tfw would have gotten it if dubs were enabled
Thanks, moot.
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>>150447140
Because the /vr/ shmup generals existed before this one.
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>>150427524
Same desu
I just charge a 25 percent bomb and delete all the shots I can before going back to dodge it
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>>150452508
technically the /vg/ shmup generals were first, then they migrated to /vr/, then they came back here after muschi and /vr/ still has an occasional thread up.
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>get namedropped and called out when I don't post
>never get namedropped when I do

I thought you guys were good at recognizing patterns...
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>>150454982
>good at recognizing patterns...
>shmupg
maybe you meant to post somewhere else
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>>150454982
Fucking Neptunia-poster. So it was you all along?!
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>>150350239
Bless you based circle head poster
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>>150453294
Makes sense I guess. How many people in here used to post on /vr/ before the /vg/ revival?
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>>150461660
Me, but i only posted a few times.
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>>150461660
I was a regular there until this general came back. This general's revival left only shitposters back at /stg/, which sucks because a thread this speed is much more suited to /vr/.
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>>150462168
/vr/ is not kawaii tho
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i don't understand. isn't there already a shmup irc?
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>>150461660
I suggested moving to /vg/ to avoid dealing with arbitrary cutoff date bullshit. That was before the /v/ invasion started.
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>check stgrillz
>its n only touhou streams ep
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>>150461660
me
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>>150461641
>>150351405
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so i'm tired and a little drunk. what's a fun shmup to play that isn't too hard?
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>>150473347
Batsugun Special
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>>150473347
deathsmiles
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>>150473347
ez mode of your shmup of choice
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It's that time of the night again.
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>>150479582
That time already? What do we do?
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>>150480035
Play a shmup!
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>>150480183
That sounds like it would take effort though...
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>>150480035
Fap after a day of playing you're favorite stg.
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>>150427524
Go into kakashi mode during it even if you don't have any gems. The discs will get destroyed faster so the pattern will be easier to dodge regardless of the bullet speed
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where the shootan streams at
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>>150481235
That also sounds like it would take effort.
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>>150482559
Just gotta search around and you'll find them
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What do we talk about on this uneventful evening?
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>>150487319
How abut how much more manageable G-Darius is with autofire?
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>>150487818
Well, okay. How much more manageable is G-Darius with autofire as opposed to not using autofire?
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>>150488178
Well, it becomes much easier to capture mini-bosses before things spiral out of control, beam duels are much easier, bosses die before they can unload nasty patterns on you/patterns with destructible parts are not a death sentence.

It's just a godsend really, thank you taito for having it as an option.
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>>150427524
It's actually really easy, start in the bottom left kinda point blanking the left wing and navigate that area.
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>>150488624
Oh, I see. Well that does sound very helpful. Is there no reason NOT to use it, then?
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>>150489803
>Is there no reason NOT to use it, then?
Well if you do, that one autist won't watch your stream because of usage of crutches
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>>150490064
That's alright, I already use other crutches like bombs and moving the ship to avoid bullets anyways.
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>>150432773
There are so few points in normal original that W is actually the optimal one if you want to go for score because it gets more tickpoints.
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I got a new PB in NES Galaga. Not saying it's good but it's the best I got. Do people pay attention to score in that game? Oh, la-ti-da.
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>>150492479
Well done, friend!
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>>150493317
Thanks. Now is time for bed. Don't die /shmupg/.
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HAP
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>died because didn't noticed the slow bullet
Hey, do you think these stereotypical huge anime eyes give you bigger field of vision?
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b-bombu
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>shmups actually for 2 players
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Does anyone know why my framerate is so low for CCWI? It's always at 57 FPS and the scores are not official anymore.
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>>150500680
This sometimes happens. Turning my computer off and on again worked for me
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>>150500680
i have the same problem, its something about the frame rate not capping correctly on some gpus
restarting is a temporary fix for it
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>>150500680
Never worked for me a single time no matter what I did
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>>150500293
I wish a had shmup friend to play duo with ;_;
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>>150504195
What multiplayer shmups are there?
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>>150504634
Almost all of them?
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After 14 hoursof playing i 1cced this shit. FUCK YOU giga wing!
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>>150505656
14 hrs in one sitting?
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>>150503346
did you turn vsync on?
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Wake up /shmupg/!
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>>150512696
No, fuck off!
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>>150510520
No, maybe I should have done that.
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>>150510254
No, total play.
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Did anyone play a shmup today?
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>>150518086
I did. Unsuccessfully.
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>>150518086
>Did anyone play a shmup today?
Not yet. Still at work. Just another 6.5 hours to go. Kill me
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>>150515189
Good going desu bout time we had a non tard here cranking out clears in reasonable time unlike the fucking kraut shit who takes 500hrs to achieve what others do in 20.
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>>150519107
He isn't trying to clear though, can he actually 1cc it?
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>>150518086
No, I'm a good-for-nothing slacker
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>>150518086
Yes, I'm playing Gothic wa Mahou Otome right now, in fact.
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r8 my new high score
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>>150519107
>playing for suvival
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>>150524626
what happened to her knee?
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>>150519571
>He isn't trying to clear though, can he actually 1cc it?
See
>>150505656

Still keep playing mushi original max even though it's annoying as fuck.
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>>150522028
Not a clear/10
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>>150528186
arcadia pls
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>>150526802
It got cropped out. For some reason they let you see high-res versions of the character art, but crop out the bottom portions.

>>150528142
I think he was referring to Kraut, not the Giga Wing player.
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>>150525257
>be autistic
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>>150528573
>I think he was referring to Kraut, not the Giga Wing player.
Oh really? what a gay lord.
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>>150504634
If you mean shmups you can fight a real human in... not very many.

>Twinkle Star Sprites
>Change Air Blade
>Touhou 3/9
>Senko no Ronde
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So is Progear a methodical masterpiece? You have to time kill stuff to get the most rings and gems
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>>150530121
Someone needs to make a Krautshit flowchart.

>Is it developed by Cave?
>--> Danmaku Bullshit
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>>150530450
Yeah I remember him saying no Cave game could match the sheer methodicalness of CC's homing laser timing. Isn't the gem/ring collecting in Progear fairly similar?
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>>150528654
Casuals say the same about people who play for survival.
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>>150528321
score is worthless without a clear desu
you can play the hardest 1cc game in the world but if you don't clear then its difficulty doesnt mean shit
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>>150532324
Casuals dont know about shmups, they play super meat boy.
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>>150534185
Survival players also don't know about scoring.
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Scoring is boring.

Survival is skillful.
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>>150534325
Know, but is not their target. Play for survival = just play the game.
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>>150531560
CC is the Cavest game of them all
it's literraly Ketsui with the lock from Soukyugurentai and the hypers from DOJ
as Cave as it gets
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(so yeah 90% Cave 10 % Raizing)
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>>150535732
So basically, Krautshit is a hypocrite.
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>>150534956
High scoring runs are graceful, beautiful to watch. I mean take a look at HFD world record DOJ run, that's a thing of beauty.
Also, beating your own PB is fun as hell, as well as beating other people scores.
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>>150535692
Shmups are also not the target of casuals...
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>>150537339
so, this thread only for HARDCORE score players?
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>>150536640
This, all this. Superplays are very impressive to watch. And on the second note, some of the biggest motivators for me in shmups are when 1. I know that I can get a higher score than I've got, and 2. When there's someone higher than me on a leaderboard.

Though I also enjoy shmups for survival too. Usually what I'll do is play a shmup for survival first, then if I like it enough, I'll dedicate time to learning scoring routes/figuring out scoring mechanics/etc.
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>>150537850
No, this thread is obviously for toxic haters and jews, like the rest of the internet.
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>>150536283
Why am I hypocrite? Because I prefer CCWI over any Cave game?
I don't know how often I should repeat till you idiots will understand it, but I already said that Cave is ok.
I just think they are overrated, and their fans are mostly fucking annoying (at least in the west), that's all.
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>>150538791
>but I already said that Cave is ok.

You used to shit on them all the time when you were a hardcore Ikaruga/R-Type fanboy.

Why the change of tune, Kraut-kun?
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>>150539669
I only shat on them because of their fans, who constantly mocked me for liking Ikaruga.
I also never said they were complete shit or anything, just that they are overrated and quite generic.
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>>150540054
>>150539669
And btw, I consider Ikaruga and R-type still miles better than CCWI, if that makes you happy.
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>>150540626
What about r type leo
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How do you kill the Stage 3 boss in Image Fight?
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>>150540054
>and quite generic.
How the fuck can cave be generic when they completely birthed the modern danmaku era? I don't mock you for liking ikaruga, i mock ikaruga because it's fucking SHIT.
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>>150543062
First danmaku game was Batsugun by Toaplan. While the company had some members from Cave it was still a totally different company.

Also, it's not like they reinvented the wheel or something, by simply putting more bullets on screen and making the hitbox smaller.

I find Cave generic, because all their games are simply quite generic. There is nothing special or outstanding about them, apart from the insane difficulty perhaps.

When you look at Ikaruga though, the game is outstanding on all kinds of levels. Ranging from gameplay, music, art style, graphics, etc.
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>>150543736
>First danmaku game was Batsugun by Toaplan.
You know Batsugun was designed by Ikeda, right? And do you know who founded CAVE?

Also, I'd say the first true danmaku was Yagawa's Recca in '92.
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>>150545030
I don't care if it was designed by Ikeda, because it is not what I would call a revolution.

Gradius was a revolutionary game, because it actually came up with really fresh stuff, like environmental hazards and options, and not just simply putting more bullets or enemies on screen and making the hitbox smaller. That's not being original, it's just simply cranking up the difficulty and making the game more flashy.
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>>150545816
Environmental hazards are stupid, though. Why do you think none of the games that superplayers run have them?
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>>150545816
>Gradius invented environmental hazards
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>>150546304
Maybe it wasn't he first which came up with environmental hazards, but it was the first shmup which really made you feel like being on a journey.

Also, frogger is not a shmup, you fucktard.
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>>150546682
Incoming battleship is approaching.
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>>150546291
High level players also play Gradius, R-Type, Ikaruga and shit. Not everyone lives in your little Cave bubble.
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>>150546681
Anything can be a shmup, because by your loose definition anything that's optimisable is a "shooting" game.
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>>150547382
Lol, nobody relevant gives a fuck about R-Type or Ikaruga.
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>>150518086
I pumped a credit at 1 in the morning before I went to bed, does that count?
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