/shmupg/ - Shmup General

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>muh flamingos
>lets bomb stuff to get more points, so much fun!
>dude, better remember which weapon to destroy boss parts with, lol!
>letters instead of numbers in the score, so quirky and le random!

>>149483740
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

Guess, we ran out of bombs.
Proper dodging ahead.

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>>149483740
go play lolishmups

>>149483740
this wasnt funny the first time you posted it and its less funny each time you do after

How do we put a stop to cavedrones?

>>149486610
By releeasing Rai-oh wait.

>>149486610
We can't. The problem with CAVE is that they not just pander to the lowest common denominator, but also to the absolute elite who want to play games with ridiculously difficult scoring mechanics. That's why it's accepted.

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>>149486610
By stopping complaining about other what shmups other people like and start playing and talking about shmups yourself.

It's just a theory...

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>>149488060

>>149486863
>The problem with CAVE is that they not just pander to the lowest common denominator, but also to the absolute elite who want to play games with ridiculously difficult scoring mechanics.
>The problem with CAVE is they made games enjoyable by all

>>149489407
>enjoyable by all
No, it's only enjoyable to waifufags (lowest common denominator), and absolute pros who play single games hundrets of hours for score.

The normal STG player rather prefers stuff like Gradius, R-Type, Ikaruga, because it's not full of waifushit, has high quality production and is more accessible.

>>149489710
>The normal STG player rather prefers stuff like Gradius, R-Type, Ikaruga
That's not the normal STG player, that's the "we want the krauts" audience

SUGIRI IS ON SALE IS IT A SHIT?

>>149489890
Of course it is, reason why these series are the most popular. CAVE is pretty niche compared to them, because it only attracts niche audiences (otakus, and scoring pros).

>>149489710
1cc sluts love cave though

>>149490138
1cc sluts love evrything.

>>149490084
>all of those series died out ages ago
>cave has been the most popular shmup developer for 20 years

>cave games are niche and the methodical masterpieces are the games people really want to play
kraut logic

>>149490441
>>all of those series died out ages ago
So did Cave, your point?
>>cave has been the most popular shmup developer for 20 years

LMAO, they are only popular amongst otakus and hardcore STG fans. Normal players mostly don't know shit about them, much in contrary to Konami, Treasure or Irem.
>>cave games are niche and the methodical masterpieces are the games people really want to play
Exactly.

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>>149483135
Just let us die already

>>149490084
Except for the fact DDP is one of the most famous shmups of all time.

>>149491652
Definitely not as famous as Gradius and co

>>149491772
Still doesn't change the fact that it's very well known, even outside of otakus and scoring pros

>>149490829
learn business 101 kraut. if konami, irem, treasure shmups were so popular they would have continued making them. they stopped because nobody wanted them any more. cave got to make lots of games because they made money with them, and they stopped making games when they stopped making money. now there's nobody else making shmups. all that's left are le retro indie meme games and raiden 5.

>>149492247
Not really.

>>149492254
Konami, irem, treasure stopped making shmups, because the genre as whole didn't sell anymore. In contrary to cave they actually also developed other genres, that's why they attracted way more people and also kept developing even when shmups died. It's not like cave didn't stop making shmups either.

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>>149490048
I don't know, I've still never played it!

But I'm going to play it! Right now! On stream!
http://twitch tv/harrykoakuma

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>>149488956

>>149493652
>http://twitch tv/harrykoakuma
I'm in. I hear it's very easy.

>>149493652
is this this one? "Acceleration of SUGURI X-Edition HD"

>>149494484
No, that's the second one.

>>149494678
The second one isn't"Acceleration of SUGURI 2"?

EXTEND DONG!

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>>149493652
Stream had to end early, thanks for watching. Sorry, I usually stream late at night to avoid things like this...

>>149494059
Totally.

>>149494484
This one is just called "Suguri". I don't know how this series and its sequels work but I'm assuming this is the first one. I checked the Steam store and this was on sale so I assumed it was the one.

Man, I should try playing 'galuda again.

>>149489710
Nah stuff like Ketsui and Dangun are perfectly fine for non-waifufag casuals like me. Mushi onwards is cancer though

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>>149501739
>Mushi onwards is cancer though

Which character from the Touhou project franchise would you like to make sweet love with?

>>149501739
Unfortunately I can't play Dangun because I don't like disco.

Elder God Tier:
Gus

High Tier:
Cee

Mid Tier:
Banana

Low Tier:
Jaimers

Shit Tier:
Kraut-kun

>>149489710
>>>/krautchan/

>>149486610
more input lag

>>149505660
>implying
Elder god tier:
Gus
Cee
Banana
Kraut

Shit tier:
gaymers

>>149505660
Cee should be on the same level as Kraut tbqh

>>149492254
Konami's latest shmup was only 5 years ago, though...

>>149505986
You're right. Cee can't even score better than the kraut in such games as Satazius.

>>149503527
We need a new board for Desuposters so they can dump their shitty opinions and art elsewhere.

They are almost as cancerous as /jp/

>>149505660
stop posting about yourself gus, nobody cares

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>>149506529
Hey, I don't try and start trouble. I like "waifu" shmups, ship shmups, I'll play anything. Contrary to apparently popular opinion, it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.

And most of the time I only post art as an excuse to bump the thread from a deep page. Like I would be doing right now.

>>149483135
Fish game da bes

>>149511671
looks comf comf

>>149506529
you could try going here >>>/trash/

>>149489710
I'm not a waifufag, haven't nearly the time or dedication to play a single game for hundreds of hours, and find Cave to be perfectly fine. Stop stirring up shit for bumps.

Made it to Stage 8 of Batsugun Special

>>149512176
Desufag pls go.

>>149511226
>I'll play anything
What was the last shmup you played then? I bet my ass it was a waifu shmup.

Casper poster is literally the best thing this place has, please do not bully.

Casperfag is good people

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>>149512176
>>149516753
C-Can't we all just get along...?

>>149517221
It was Mushihimesama. Or Suguri earlier today if that counts. But yeah lately I've been focusing on Mushihimesama. And after I reach my goal in that, I plan to try out CCWI (which I have already bought). I also dabble in Gradius and Galaga if I just feel like killing some time leisurely I suck at Gradius. I play Deathsmiles sporadically.

I've also considered playing shmups like Strikers 1945 and Gunbird on shmupmame, but I'd heard that Psikyo shmups have emulation problems or something. I'll probably still give them a try sometime though.

Point is, games are games, and some people put way too much stock in whether the playable character is a girl or a plane or whatever. Why is it such a big deal?

>>149517435
I prefer the disputes between cee and kbr, frankly. At least some interesting mechanics dissection arises from it.

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>>149515794
nice.

>>149517435
100% fact.

Never let your guard down!

my mom just said that mushihimesama futari sounded like a baby crying

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>enter shmup discord channels expecting waifufaggotry, shitpost, cropped anime porn, the usual
>surprised by people actually discussing the games and sharing replays/tips/streams

>>149525792
what is discord anyway? the modern day ventrilo?

>>149525792
No matter how much you post this Discord will never stop being anything other than complete shit.

>>149518502
>Suguri
that game looked weird.

Suguri is alright, but I'm not such a fan of its gimmick.

I beat my high-score today! it's still shit

So is there any word on Blue Revolver yet?

The Steam page still says that it's supposed to be out in the first quarter of 2016.

No updates on the main website either.

Ikaruga is alright, but I'm not such a fan of its gimmick.

>>149534910
What game?

>>149525197
Palm isn't a baby!

>>149534085
>>149535106
I agree, gimmicks that make bullets not dangerous some of the time are stupid.

>>149535064
Dead game, like the genre.

>>149535258
Like bombs?

>>149535157
I'm lazily trying to 1cc eschatos normal original, I've been playing other games and haven't really put much effort into it. I made it to stage 20/26. Scoring in this game seems neat.

>>149535471
Keep at it dude!

I suck at Eschatos, I'm so used to relying on dodging because of other shmups that I almost never use the shield.

>>149535573
I'm pretty sure some of the patterns almost require the use of the shield. I need to kick it up and go full shmup on it. I'm not even sure where the ships hitbox is/how large it is.

>>149535258
Bullet reflecting > Bullet buzzing > Bullet absorbing > Bullet cancelling

>>149511226
>ship shmups
boatcolle sniffcolle shootan game when?

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>>149517435
>>149517551
>>149521225
Oh, thanks. I'm glad you like... the stuff I do.

I do try to at least not go overboard with my Deathsmiles/GoMa stuff with respects to the people who DON'T like it. I usually limit posting to when I have something to say/someone to reply to, or when the thread is in need of a bump anyways. I don't needlessly just dump art or anything outside of dead hours. If there's a steady stream of conversation going on that I can't contribute to, I probably won't post.

>>149529714
It was unusual, but kinda fun in its own way. You can boost through light bullets but the physical stuff (rockets, etc.) will still hurt you so it's not as easy as it might sound. Not easy at all, really. Still, it was interesting, and I'll certainly give it another go sometime.

>>149538219
Actually I have stayed out of the KanColle business entirely. I'm just not interested in it.

I was going to do a Mushi stream tonight but unfortunately my internet is acting up. Hopefully it calms down, otherwise that Maniac clear might have to wait until some other time.

>>149540148
STREAAAAAAAM

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>>149541627
And what's in it for me if I do?

My internet seems to be working again so I'll set up in a few minutes. http://twitch tv/harrykoakuma

>>149542753
fame, fortune, and witnesses to your 1cc.

>>149542753
Rough day today?

>>149535749
There is an unlockable option to display all hitboxes (including yours and the Wonderwitches) in Eschatos, at some option level.

Dude, raise your bitrate. I can barely tell what's going on.

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>>149542753
Stream is over, thanks for watching.

>>149545513
Little bit. Nothing that Casper can't fix.

>>149547153
Huh, you're the first person that's said anything about it. I tried raising the bitrate and it started dropping frames. I'll play around with it some more and see if I can at least get some better bitrate than I had, without dropping frames.

>>149547153
>Dude, raise your bitrate. I can barely tell what's going on.
Then you have fucking eye troubles, it's 100% fine you twat burger.

Someone stream a nice shmup

KBR when will you beat Gradius 3 arcade? It's a methodical masterpiece only for the hardcore.

>>149550415
I'll stream in like 7 hours if you can wait a bit

>>149518502
So in other words, you still clearly prefer waifu shmups and just play other stuff casually. That was my whole point.

>Why is it such a big deal?
Art style is a big deal in video games. They are a very visual medium, and waifu games mostly don't just have a girl as playable character, but also the whole mood of the game is totally different (music, artworks, enemies, soundeffects, etc).

I also like waifu shmups, but I rather prefer sci-fi shmups.

>>149550462
One day, not sure when. I am still occupied with CCWI atm. Also still have to finally get the R-type 2-ALL, and some other stuff. After that, maybe.

Now that the dust has settled, how was deathsmiles port?

I have 360 version, I was gonna pick sum pc games, but might pick this one up too so I have a bit less reasons to take out the 360 (it's futile given how I have futari there, tho)

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>>149551392
Well when you put it that way, I suppose you're right. I will admit that I've yet to dedicate myself to a sci-fi shmup, but I'm not opposed to the idea of doing so.

>I also like waifu shmups, but I rather prefer sci-fi shmups.
That's cool. I've got nothing against sci-fi shmups, I'm just trying to quell the tensions that arise between waifu shmups vs. sci-fi shmups.


>>149552986
Depends on what you want out of it. Slowdown is fucked for certain modes, but for other modes it's just fine.

Working slowdown: Normal (360) Mode, Arcade Mode, MBL Normal (360) Mode*, MBL Arcade Mode

Non-working slowdown: DS Ver. 1.1*, MBL 1.1

*Not certain but I believe so. I mostly just play the Normal Mode myself.

>>149553595

It's not like I want to touch the 1.1 versions, as they are butt-touched versions of the game, some may be fun, but yeah...

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>>149553720
The 1.1 modes don't seem like they'd be very fun without a 360 controller anyways, since one of the main mechanics was to directly control your familiar with the second stick.

>>149553595
>I'm just trying to quell the tensions that arise between waifu shmups vs. sci-fi
Yea, I guess I expressed myself wrong, when calling otakus "lowest common denominator". I always have the picture fat greasy neckbeards in my head when I think of waifufags, but when I think about it, I actually am somewhat of an otaku/waifufag too.

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>>149554349
I just don't really like fighting. I usually shrug off most insults and comments like that unless they're directed AT me. Even then I prefer to defuse the situation rather than bite back.

I have waifufag tendencies, but I try to behave myself most of the time. Occasionally letting this or that slip about Casper, buuuut that's kinda my thing here. That and being completely and utterly incapable of getting a Mushi Maniac clear. Someday, someday...

>>149554018
>>149553595

Well I just started having issues with dariusburst pc, so I'm gonna go with fuck pc shmups as they don't get much support and it is a rare bug.

*cums on a 2hu*

>>149557836
Be more specific

>>149558208
reisen

>>149558278
not bad

>>149558597
thanks

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>>149555809
It can't be that bad, right?

>tfw bought stick and use it to play JRPGs instead of shmups

>>149561209
STOP SLACKING

>>149561759
o-ok, i'll go turn on the tv

>>149561209
>>149561759
I've been full shmup for the last 8 hours so I'm going to slack off and play JRPGs now

*shitposts during the ship select countdown*

Died on stage 5 futari original right before larva
Fuck

>>149560020
This is how I play!

aliv

*shoots on casper*

LIVE!
I WILL PLAY BATTLE GAREGGA ALL NIGHT FOR YOU TO LIVE!

>>149574853
WHERE?

>>149574995
I won't be streaming it today for sure.
I've been streaming random cave/non-cave shmups for a friend so possibly soon.

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I dont need it...
I dont need it...

>>149576248
Saw this too, any news on how much it will cost?

>>149576347
As far as I know there's not much info to go around about it.

So idk.

>>149576248
this is breddy cul

>>149576208
Not when. Where?

>>149578518
twitch / Q_TV
please don't watch I'm awful at these games

>>149512441
Pictures of Reco almost drove me away from playing Mushihimesama, but I'm glad I eventually did because it's a great shmup

is reco so slow because shes fat?

>>149578930
it's because she's T H I C C

>>149578610
SOON

fuck this heat, I literally can't focus

do not want play on keyboard

*shoots Hibachi patterns on reco*

I think I finally get the hang of my stick. Playing fighting games with it is still fucking weird, but playing shmups works now I think.

I want to marry a nopan kamui-tan!

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Thank you Astro Port for making waifu shmups great again.

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>>149571438
That doesn't sound good!

Stage 7 of Aero Fighters is a big difficulty spike
If you get there with less than two power ups you're fucked

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And with that, I have all five of these demon girls. Hooray, I guess. Wonder what the next event might be now...

>>149586197
>Dislikes Cats
My kinda person

>>149586197
>Literal semen demon
My kinda person

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>>149586579
>>149586716
She might be alright.

I sure don't need yet another Darkness shot type to be leveling up, though. I've already got like 3 or 4 still waiting for materials.

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Well?

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>>149588798
Well sure. Have they said when it's releasing yet?

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Not gonna lie, Witch-Bot Meglilo is a lot of fun. It's really silly but considering it's short by shmup standards it's a pretty good game to play when you have 20 minutes to spare.

>>149588798
Eh, it's alright I guess.

>>149588798
Why don't they release futari instead?

>>149589460
Dunno, I'm not Degica. I just get paid to advertise their games.

>>149588798
You know they're going to charge for all the DLC. Call me when it's on sale and I can buy everything for less than 15.00.

>>149589237
I dunno, the production values seem low. How good is the gameplay?

>>149589840
Gameplay is good as with all Astro Port games. Uses the time warp gimmick well and the large amount of weapon combinations make for some interesting strategies. Definitely worth the $6 in my opinion.

>>149588798
if ti doesnt have BL and ketsuipatchi on it its trash so who cares

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Bump

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>>149588798
No. Cave is trash.

There are no tricks like Counter Banking or Power Shot in Mushi Arrange, right?

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Screw this guy and everything he stands for, at least they gimped the fuck out of him when compared to his JSS version.

>>149595171
Those graphics look like rubbish.

>>149598158
They're very simplistic. I think they go out of their way to reference JSS's graphics. The gameplay is good though, especially if you like games that encourage you to be aggressive.

>>149586197
What is this anyway? Some sort of mobile game?

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>>149600872
Yeah. It's called Gothic wa Mahou Otome, or Magic Gothic Girl. It's on iOS and Android.

>>149601541
can you download it easily or do you have to jump through hoops to get jap games?

Loligames is cancer.

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>>149601898
For Android, you just gotta download an app called "QooApp" and search for the game on there. Then you can download it.

I dunno what you have to do for iOS, sorry.

does cattleya have the biggest boobs

desu waifushit is the only reason cave is still in business right now

Loligames is purest form of happiness

>>149606029
they could be moe lewd

>>149606326
>lewd
that's like the opposite of pure! baka!

>>149606493
no, only if you are a religi-tard

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>>149604351
Nope. From the cards I have, it looks like the title of biggest boobs is a three-way tie between these three, with a bust measurement of 92cm.

By comparison, Cattleya's bust measurement is 89cm.

>>149494678
Then what is this? http://store.steampowered.com/sub/85015/

>>149607779
This is the sequel-sequel.

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This is good for mame?

>people played fighting games like SF4 with 5 frames of input lag when it's full of insanely hard frame perfect combos
>SF5 has 7 frames of input lag and the people who dominated SF4 are dominating SF5
>3 frames is """"unplayable""""" for shmups which are all memorization
Explain

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>>149610912
>7 fucking frames of input lag
How the fuck can anyone stand playing like that?

>>149610912
a fighting game match only lasts like 2 minutes

a good shmup run can last over an hour

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I can't decide if I should stream Mushi or just play Super Mario Bros 3 all night. I kind of feel like doing the latter.

>>149614673
STREAM MARIO 1CC ATTEMPTS

>>149614673
>slacking on shmups
Shameful display, this is why the Japanese will always be better players.

>>149610716
Hell no
You will hate how small it is unless you're an actual toddler or have toddler sized hands

>>149616654
2016 is too late for full shmups.

>>149614673
Mario is shit.

Stream a Wario Land game.

>>149611628
>How the fuck can anyone stand playing like that?

Fucking hell, 7/60 parts of a second, unbearable.

>>149614331
fighting game matches can be worth $50,000+
shmups aren't worth shit

>>149615364
>>149616654
Alright, what I'm gonna do is stream Mushi until I either succeed or get bored, at which point I'll switch to Mario. I'm still messing with the bitrate, so if the stream starts dropping frames or anything, tell me so.

http://twitch tv/harrykoakuma

>>149617229
I'm not all too familiar with Wario Land games. I own WL2 but haven't played it in several years. Wario Land 4 is on my "play this someday" list, but there's so much other stuff on that list too that I have no idea when I'll get around to it.

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Another video is up! This time it's a Samurai Ace 1-ALL by DVD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xjnr1cHBqY

>>149617094
never!

>>149620130
Hey archive anon do you have any preference as to what type of file I should send my replays in?
Like mp4 or something.

>>149622863
.mp4 files are fine, it's what I always end up uploading to YouTube after rendering anyways. And in terms of quality I would prefer it if they were 60fps and or 720p/1080p.

DON'T DIE ON ME, SHMUPG

Damn

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>>149619680
Stream is over, thanks for watching. I wound up just playing Mushi the whole time. And not succeeding. I'm tired of failure, so next time I'm going to succeed at all costs!

>>149629082
It's really only a matter of time. I've seen you come close so often. At least one of them you could have won if you had spammed bombs on the last boss.

I think I should just accept that I'm garbage at shmups and stop attempting. They make me frustrated every time I play them and it's just getting worse the more I play. I don't even feel like I'm making any progress too.
Sorry, I really tried to like the genre but it looks like I should just give up at this point.

>>149630176
See you tomorrow!

>>149630176
you must first accept that you are terrible, have always been terrible, and will always be terrible. then you must play anyway.

>>149630176
>Sorry, I really tried to like the genre but
I'm sure there are people out there that enjoy shmups without being good at them. If you have to try and like something, you're doing it wrong.

>>149630176
What are you playing? I'm shit too.

>>149630176
I dont see what's so bad about stoping something you dont like doing. I used to feel a bit like that until I stopped obsessing over every mistake and just rolled with the punches.

>>149630304
Don't think so
maybe

>>149630540
Yeah I get that, but I can't seem to accept that I suck.

>>149630557
Yeah you're probably right, also I enjoy these games much more when I'm not trying to git gud, but if I'm not trying then I don't see the point in playing them in the first place.

>>149630612
Ketsui

>>149630735
No it's not too bad, it's just that I like the energy and the intensity of shmups. Most other games are pretty boring in comparison.

>>149637582
follett is about to faceplant. speaking of follet faceplanting...where is that follett 1cc?

>>149630176
Accept your weakness and start working on redeeming yourself through full shmup. Gus will set you free.

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>>149638124
I dunno where it is. I guess it's lost. That's Windia's fault too.

>>149640397
at least follet's head is spherical like a basketball, she should be fine

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>>149640950
Why does Windia bully Follett so much?

>>149633125
Are going fo an Ura clear or what? Ketsui is a hard game anyways, just keep trying.

>>149642339
Ketsui is fucking easy LOL. Then again, I'm a Lunatic level Touhou player.

>>149643846
absolute madman

>>149643846
lunatic? fcuk dud Icant even beat eeasy you must be god

>>149643846
HOLY SHIT LMAO
HOW DO U EVEN PLAY 2HU??!1

>>149643846
People unironically play 2hu? Lmao tbqh baka senpai

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>he thinks fighting games take more skill than shmups

>>149649336
>He thinks static memorization games takes more skill than dynamic 1 vs 1 fighting games
Lmao just lmao

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I'm going to bed.

>>149652023
おやすみ~

>>149649925
>all shmups are static
stop only playing caveshit

>>149652975
t. never played one

>>149652975
isn't it the methodical masterpieces that are most static?

>>149653239
t. cannot literally stop sucking dicks

>>149653348
both are equally static
raizing is where it's at

>>149653348
No, methodical masterpiece is a meme. A lot of oldschool shmups don't have autistic scoring routes that stuff like danmaku shooters do.

>>149654096
I hate games having depth too

>>149654096
how does them being easier relate to this?

>>149654210
>memorize how to play this game in a strict way every time
>''''depth''''

>>149654279
if you don't understand what you're doing, memorization alone wont give you good scores most of the time.
And I really hope you're just memeing anyways and don't think execution in shmups is trivial

>>149654279
And yet13 years later daioujou is still getting new records

>>149610912
input lag doesn't affect timing, moves just come out later, if you operate on muscle memory and not on visual cues it changes nothing
input lag in fighters fucks with reaction, which makes sf5 more offensive than "footsie" based

>High latency prevents players from maximizing these areas in their game, which ends up drastically affecting the overall meta game. When the game is responding late to your inputs, this forces you to develop a play style that is largely dependent on making reads, or predictions about what will happen in the future.

>This is the main reason that Street Fighter 5's current meta game favors an offensive, scramble-based style. When it becomes extremely difficult to whiff punish, this motivates players to constantly "check" with buttons hoping to land a hit, instead of gathering data from movement/neutral to find openings.

you don't do reads in shmups, you have to do move accurately and react in time

>>149654704
>>High latency prevents players from maximizing these areas in their game, which ends up drastically affecting the overall meta game. When the game is responding late to your inputs, this forces you to develop a play style that is largely dependent on making reads, or predictions about what will happen in the future.
>>This is the main reason that Street Fighter 5's current meta game favors an offensive, scramble-based style. When it becomes extremely difficult to whiff punish, this motivates players to constantly "check" with buttons hoping to land a hit, instead of gathering data from movement/neutral to find openings.
t. Literally Who

Here's what the Best in the West has to say about it

>@JWonggg
>I don't remember people complaining about input lag when the game came out. Is this a new thing? I'm out the loop. I just play the game. :/

>@JWonggg
>@jchensor wait what? So when I whiff punish people a good amount of the time it's not a reaction? Lol

>@JWonggg
>@FourWude mmm but I think people complaining about it and blaming it on their loss is just lol. Everyone got the same disadvantage

>>149654704

Hello, fag.

I play shmups on a LG plasma tv, which yes, have abundant albeit playable input lag.

I react just fine in shmups

IN FACT I REACT JUST FINE IN ARENA SHOOTERS TOO.

(I also play on a 144hz gamingpro monitor and I feel no difference, either I have a human brain that doesn't feel these minute milisecond differences or something horrible happens to me)

>>149648090

Choose:

a) You fuck Casper
b) You are Casper and you get fucked

Choosing one excludes forever the other and it never happens even in your imagination or dreams ever.

>>149655467

And yes, I actually do notice the added smoothness proper of 144 fps, just not the 1ms response of said monitor type.

Fucking faggots, you are the audiophiles of videogames noticing infinitesimally small fractions of a second, a second passes in just a second and you barely notice, you give retards a bad name.

>>149655721
There's literally nothing wrong with being an audiophile. I seriously hope all of the music on your PC is in FLAC format, friend.

>>149655536
b) of course

>>149655536
anyone who doesn't choose b is a fag desu

>>149655832
>There's literally nothing wrong with being an audiophile

Depends, if you buy quality audio stuff it's ok.

If you buy magical cables because you can appreciate the enhanced microchanges in bass texture that optic fiber of the brand "panthalios" gives over optic fiber of the brand "erect penis" I have something to say about it.

In fact I'm mentioning cables as an extreme, there's very little difference between some very overpriced headphones and some 250 or less euro models.

http://www2.tky.3web.ne.jp/~yosshin/prog_memo/latency/091029.html

Anons
Download this lag sensitivity test and post you're scores if you can tell the difference in controls between 1 and X frames

Space to change between 1 and whatever you set it to, enter to confirm the sample with more input delay

Hard mode: set it to 8 frames and try to unironically argue that it would be playable

>>149655947
>not owning a $3000 pair of headphones
You've never truly listened to music my man.

>>149656013

What the fuck am I even doing here and what is this shit even trying to convey?

>>149655832
>>149656023
Ironically true musical appreciation is primarily conceptual rather than sensory, making all this audiophile nonsense a complete irrelevance.

>>149656013
We've already established that Justin Wong wins with footsies and whiff punishing in a game with 8 frames delay. This meme should be put to rest.

>>149656321
>true musical appreciation is primarily conceptual rather than sensor
LOL? Bach, Beethoven and Mozart are revered for their "concepts".

>>149656325
Wouldn't he win even more with less input delay?

Besides street fighter doesn't require precise movement (sometimes almost pixel precise) in 2D space unlike shmups, it's not even remotely comparable

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>>149656013
>Hard mode: set it to 8 frames and try to unironically argue that it would be playable

Not sure how this program works, so I'm going to explain what 8 frames is.

Normally, these measures are made with 60fps, which one would say is what we normally use for the case of shmups.

Meaning thats roughly 8/60 parts of a second.

Can you divide one second in 7 parts and individually set them apart in such a way that's a meaningful lenght of time to matter to you?

That's a lot of input lag, btw, and it still hard to notice.

The scare of input lag comes from very shitty tvs that would take even full seconds to respond to controls, I played on one of these.

Comment edited after maximum spergination. I am torturing you now with Akai Katana for having me typing the same comment about this idiocy twice.

But yeah 8/60 of a second, I wouldn't be surprised if even with 20/60 of a second you could still play very nicely and without even knowing something was up.

>>149656609
I meant aren't, not are.

>>149656609
>Bach, Beethoven and Mozart are revered for their "concepts".

They certainly aren't revered for raw sound quality in an objective manner either. :^)

>>149656715
Yes they are. To understand that Bach was a master of counterpoint you have to know what counterpoint is.

>>149656623
Have you ever seen high level Street Fighter? Precise spacing and movement is one of the most important things about the game.

Wong looks like he's been winning as much as he always has. Maybe even more than usual.

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>>149656013

>>149656898
Concept is only one piece of the puzzle. And it's an irrelevant one if composition, melody, harmony, technical ability, et cetera are weak.

>>149656646
do you have autism by any chance?

>>149657290

Why do you deduce this?

>I'm being a faggot and this guy took the time to see if I am being a faggot or legit, and indeed it turned out that I was a faggot all along, better call him autist

>>149657250
All of which are concepts irrelevant to the fidelity of the recording medium.

if you don't spend half your income on audio equipment and the other half on shmup PCBs then i feel bad for you son

>>149657402

He doesn't spend 7 parts of his income on increasingly more expensive graphics cards of a very rare brand that gives special texture to blue lasers.

>>149656426
>I wouldn't be surprised if even with 20/60 of a second you could still play very nicely and without even knowing something was up.

now this is just bait
in some games the bullets enter and leave the screen in 20/60 of a second, it wouldn't be physically possible to dodge them

enjoying this thread, the input lag guy is bringing the heat

>>149657584
he was until he tried to argue that 20 frames of input lag would be possible to not notice

shame he killed it so fast

>>149657535
>now this is just bait

Measure your dodges and ship speed.

Some people just aren't very aware of what is a second of time.

You may touch my dick for a second, it'll cost you 100 euro.

>>149657708

It is possible to --->notice<--- (given that it is 20frames of 60fps and not 144fps)

Another thing would be these superhuman abilities you're claiming to posess.

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tfw I'd have the Dodonpachi WR if it weren't for this FUCKING input lag holding me back

>>149657708
imagine if this all started because he bought SDOJ, and this is his way of coping

>Bare minimum is 24fps or you don't perceive continuity in movies
>Console games go 'round that mark
>That's stranglely near 20/60 already
>Your brain takes some time to react
>therefore yes, you're playing vidya at 20/60 quite commonly if I must say so
>simply put, the performance in console games sin't there to warrant a higher measurement
>so yes, you play with these insane measuremtns that cannot be considered EVERY FUCKING DAY.

:^)

And I'm not even considering added lag from other sources and I'm being very generous with your brain.

I only considered performance-related input lag.

>>149657345
>Why do you deduce this?
maybe because you think making a lengthy argument about what seconds and frames are (which everyone already knows) is making a point, when any decent player will notice a huge difference with 8 frames of input delay (maybe you should try to play shmups instead of making stupid arguments)

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>>149658378

input lag complainers BTFO

>>149657716
I'll bite

SDOJ Hibachi's opener pink bullets take roughly 15 frames out of 30 at 30 fps and 15 rank to reach the bottom of the screen, checked with frame advance

Assuming 200 ms reaction time and 333 ms of delay like you said plus the time it takes to move the stick, the attack would be literally impossible to react to at low rank, let alone 30+ rank

Solid bait though, shame you ruined it

>>149658557
>15 frames out of 30 at 30 fps

This is a different measurement, fag

You're literally doubling the ammount or worse

Btw, I take it you're playing at 30fps and are not noticing this?

>>149658378

If I may interject for a moment, the Justin Wong quotes posted above demonstrate the different mindset between a high level player and the rest. Justin isn't concerned with lag, he doesn't look for problems in the game to blame his losses on, he plays it and thinks about how to improve. That is what every great player does. They play the game they are given and do their best to master it, not whine about it. The playing field is even for everyone, especially on console and arcade where the hardware is predetermined.

all categories are arbitrary

>>149658941
my mind wanders

>333ms latency not noticeable

I hope you don't have a driving license if this applies to you

>>149659202
>I hope you don't have a driving license if this applies to you

I hope you're not playing cinematic console games at 24 fpses or lower and thus playing at that precise ammount of input lag by simply performance fault without even noticing while at the same time complaining about it.

>>149658741
>I see you play on a tate’d CRT…
>MON: I do pretty much all my gaming on a CRT.
>Right, HD TVs still have problems with screen lag/delay.
>MON: Yeah. Especially with the 2nd loop of Death Label, there’s parts where the speed of your reaction time is being pushed to the limit, so you want to minimize any display lag.

>>149659335
I sure fucking don't.

>>149659431

Also try not to use internet latency to determine how much latency you suffer from input, as internet latency goes on top of your already existing latency :^)

And in your case your latency is theoretical probably, as you will not have measured it and minute hardware failures that may increase it could be a common thing :^)

>>149656013
welp i did the 1-4 frames test and got everything wrong so its good to know that im not sensitive to lag

>>149633125
Ketsui is pretty damn hard. Perhaps try some easier games?

wtf I hate cave now

>>149660528
why now

>>149660652
>väjxö

>>149660528
cave owns bitch

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>>149656013
>tfw nearly superhuman

>>149659558
i envy you i guess, i'm squeamish as fuck (>>149661140)

i was actually going fast and half of the time, only switched once between A and B, so the two i got wrong were one of those fast decisions i imagine

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>>149633125
>mfw Ketsui is making everyone give up

>>149633125
As much as i love Ketsui it is precisely why i refuse to play 2 loop games anymore. Go play some mushi 1.5 max modes.

allow me to save this thread

>>149665075
do you even shitpost bro

>>149665171
let me give it a go:
I don't know why people complain about input delay, the human brain takes 10 minutes to process the game anyways and when I played while using a projector to project the game onto the moon which gives like a minute of input delay I could still 1cc mountain of faith on easy

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Christ if anyone wants to get a no miss clear i recommend mushi original 1.5, piss easy game especially coming back from maniac max.

>>149666568
>I will deny input delay again in a mockingly way seeming how I cannot deny it when I am presented with the evidence of games that are low fps and thus unresponisve by default with said input delay which was allegedly unplayable

Yes, shitposting indeed, but not in the direction you claim.

You simply can't have lower than 20/60 input delay when your gameplay responsiveness isnt lower than 20/60 marked in your fps :^)

The fps for it aren't there, it's one of the reasons why you want as high as possible fps, fag.

>>149667807
>:^) in every post
you need to be 18 or older to use this website

>>149667630
didn't you say you wanted to leave? now you are back, what is habbening?

>>149668416
>didn't you say you wanted to leave?
Did i?

hey guys
I am bored and browsing generals to find a new type of games to play.

Where do I start? I have played Touhou 6 7 and 14 but that's about it.

Is it bad if I pirate games?
Which games has the cutest girls ?

>>149669445
Touhou is a pretty good entry point, since the different difficulties allow beginners to get familiar with the genre
>Is it bad if I pirate games?
nope, quite a few shooting games are arcade exclusives, where you can either emulate them or buy and expensive pcb
>Which games has the cutest girls?
m-maybe touhou 6, or 8, idk they're all cute!

>>149669445
The best shmup for people wanting to start shmupping is imo Cho Ren Sha 68k. It's already freeware so you dont have to feel bad with pirating, and the game has a nice mix of being lenient while not being a total cakewalk.

>>149669445
>Which games has the cutest girls ?
Cho Ren Sha

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>>149669737
Impossible One #2 is cute, cute!

>>149669445
>Is it bad if I pirate games?
Nah, google mushihimesama/deathsmiles hi2u.

>>149669126
yes, you did "shmups are dead, time to move on, yaddayadda"

yu-suke is a fucking beast

>>149671789
It's a shame he's such a one-trick pony

>>149633125
How far did you get in Ketsui?

>>149672407
>>149671789
jaimers >>> yu-suke

discuss

>>149672730
>1cc collector >>> multiple world record holder

Is it that time again?

>>149673117
>really good at a lot of games, near-WR scores, learns in almost no time

vs

>good at 1 game after playing it for a bazillion years

hmmmmm

>>149671789
who

>>149673726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7V8Y_A1YwI

>>149673885
>2hu "superplayer"
>dies 2 seconds in
literally stopped watching there

>>149673885
damn this movement is kinda crazy

>>149674091
So you missed the 3.6 billion run after that?

>>149671691
And at no point in that does it say "i'm leaving this place" merely that i was not playing shmups. Learn to read desu you fucking donkey.

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>>149655536
Well I'm not sure what the purpose of the proposition is but I guess I'll have to choose A. It sounds better to make sweet, passionate love to her than to... become her and get fucked by someone else(?). I dunno, it sounds weird and bordering suspiciously on cuckold to me.

>>149667978

Underage cannot be spelled without rage

Which is what you are showing off by being constantly angry and unable to develop a counter-argument.

:^)

Playing more espgaluda
Pretty fun, but it's actually pretty easy till the last form of the final boss

>>149674703
why are you here if you don't play shmups then?

>>149678505
>Swimsuit isn't even loose
stupid

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>>149679354
What were you even hoping to see? It's not like she has anything there.

>die on 1st stage

>>149680740
>die in first 10 seconds

>>149680870
>die everywhere

>die at the final boss

>>149682615
>game over at final boss despite it being the easiest boss in the game

>>149680740
That mushihimesama ultra feel

4 C H A N C U L T U R E

>>149685753
>die in the first loop

>>149685753
>last life
>die to second boss
>your death drops an extend
>nice recover
>die again second later

please live.
I don't want to strim

Point blank my dick

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How does Pulsar compare to R-Type? Better? Worse? Cheap rip-off?

>>149690340
I like it. You can't really compare it to R-Type, since R-Type is older.
I'd play it with auto-fire though, otherwise it's a pain to play.

>>149690340
>things R-Type does better
- force pod can be unattached and attached at the back too
-this makes for more interesting strategic gameplay
>things Pulstar does better
- better graphic
- better soundtrack
- no second loop

>>149693790
I forgot to add that you get options in Pulstar though which can shoot in all directions, so this kinda negates that you can't unattach the force pod.