/evn/ - English Visual Novels

>>149747660
>delicious legs
We need more like this, tbqhwy.

>>149747660
What game is this?

>>149747897
Katawa Shoasis

>>149747897
>What is pic name?

>>149748016
>>149747983
I have disgraced my family. I'm rather surprised.

>>149747897
Attack of the Rubik's Cubes

>>149748245
Go make a few sudokus to atone for your sins.

>>149747660
Fuck, why those shoes

>>149747894
are you blind
bitch has 404 ass not found

>>149748581
How vulgar.

>>149748581
Yeah, there is something weird with the third pic. Like the butt cheeks are too close and not enough GAP or something.

>>149747660
On the Steam forum for pic related, someone pointed out that a few of the voice acting lines don't match the text. Instead of changing the text, the dev wants the voice actresses to rerecord the lines that don't match. Changing the text would be so much simpler.

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>tfw about to break 200k words and the new ren'py has rollback built in

>>149747660
>Yumi
Goddamn it what is with these token Japanese girls with the most stereotypical names getting thrown into these types of games? If you have to make one girl with a Japanese name to appease rabid weebs at least pick a better one than Yumi. There are so many great names and people use the same five over and over.

>>149748948
I used Heiko for my token Jap and it turned out that name is also a masculine German name.

>>149748864
You mean that history screen?

>>149748767
It would. Unless there are some abysmal mistakes or something, I don't see any reason to go throught the pain of rerecording.

>>149749015
It's pronounced differently and in Japanese it is written in entirely different characters, so it is not actually the same name at all. Thanks for not making a Yumi, Rin, Sakura, or Aiko at least.

>>149748948
I used Iori as my token jap and it turned out that name is also of Welsh origin.

>>149749015
>>149748948

I suggest Hinata, Haruka, Mika, Yayoi, Kana, Aki, and Mio.

tfw lowkey hate japan

>>149749208
Those are only a little better.

>>149749140
Well, my fat NEET MC's name is Matama Futo.
Is it too evident?

>>149749385
Just look up Japanese baby names and pick a few that strike your fancy.

>>149749485
I am a gigantic nerd about names and have an extensive list of Japanese names (and all other kinds of names) already. That's why these lazy boring names bother me so much. I guess their better than names weebs make up because they think they can slam a few sounds together and make a new Japanese name out of nowhere.

After its bugs get worked out I think that Just Deserts is a serious contender for evn of the year.
>Nice art
>Gameplay
>Several heroine routes
>Fully voiced
>Hours of replayability
>Decent story
>Only $10

>>149749860
Hi Just Deserts dev.

>>149749701
Can you share some?

>>149749995
How many do you want?

>>149749860
yeah it was impressive as fuck. if i had to nitpick the CG are sparse and the story in uninspired, but it really has a lot to learn from. it's in renpy, too, so there's no excuse why your game can't look and run that well.

>>149750086
A dozen or so

>>149750086
Can you give me names starting with E, D, Y, or R?

>>149750157
>>149749860
ok you guys just convinced me to get it.

"Rate my game's protagonist" when?

>>149750891
On what? Looks? Personality? Ability to actually be a protagonist and carry the story?

>>149750173
Ageha
Airi
Akako
Akane
Akari
Akemi
Aki
Akiha
Akiko
Akira
Akiyo

I was too lazy to handpick so I just gave you my first 12 or so girl names.

>>149750215
Sure.
D: (boys)
Daichi, Daisuke. There are no girl names that start with D because Japs don't think it's feminine, and it's not that popular for guys either.. Other than this I'm not that great with guy names and too lazy to get my list, so you get just girl names for the rest.

E (girls)
Ebiko
Eimi
Eiko
Emiri
Eriko

There aren't that many E names either, and most of them start with Eri, Emi, or Ei.

R
Rei
Reiko
Rie
Rikka
Riko
Ruiko
Rumi
Ruri
Ryouko

Y
Yomi
Yoshie
Yoshimi
Youko
Yukari
Yukie
Yukino
Yurika
Yuuko
Yuzuki

>>149751039
lets just start with looks

>>149751039
Just plain looks. No tidbits about personality or plot either.

People are still porn begging on the Just Deserts discussion forum. These people think that if they bug the devs enough that they'll add porn eventually.

>>149751053
Thanks. I might use Yukie and Ruri.

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>>149751317
Alright, I'm game.

>>149751417
But the devs aren't western?

>>149751864
What genre

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>>149752460
18+ yuri

>>149752603
10/10 I need more

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>>149752603
as for the setting, its entirely fantasy
humans/males don't exist
the world is composed entirely of animal girls

>>149752603
Would be perfect if you removed the thing above her nose. I get it's trying to show face shape and shit but it looks awkward and ugly as it is here. at least it would need to be more subtle.

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>>149752663
You'll have to wait until Alpha's Adventures is finished.

>>149751864
It'd rate her 8/10.

>>149753005
>names a five year old would give their stuffed animals
>Clarissa/Cecily
For what purpose?

>>149753005
a d o r a b l e

>>149753219
I'm a sucker for "one of these things is not like the others".

>>149753385
Since I want to upgrade to being an AAA dev, I'm torn between naming it "Adorably/Alluringly amorous animals".

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>>149751317
Please don't bully her too much.

>>149751864
That outfit is so cute.

>>149753005
Kind of uncanny

So I've got a character who's revealing something important that she's been keeping quiet up till this point. However, her story is very difficult to believe and the protagonist has a hard time accepting it as the truth.
She's desperate for his help, and while he cares a lot about her, he's not convinced that she hasn't just gone crazy.

This is supposed to lead up to him leaving her in the room alone, giving the killer an opportunity to bump her off. But I'm not sure how to avoid having it turn out in a way that doesn't get the reader frustrated with him for leaving her alone, even before she dies.
It's not like I can have them stay with each other since the narrative isn't going to progress if she doesn't wind up dead. I was considering maybe having him asking her to stay put while he goes and gets help but I'm not sure.
(At this point, the immediate danger isn't apparent to the protagonist, but it is to the girl)

I guess I just want to know what other people think.

>>149754712
Maybe she could, in frustration/desperation, say something very cruel to the MC which would cause him to want to stop listening and leave.

>>149753592
9/11

>check lemma recruit forum
>"professional writer for hire"
>typo in first five words

EVERY time

Is there a program that helps with route planning?

One that makes bubble charts

>>149754821
Yeah I guess that would work. In the outline I had it written down that he'd leave because her story sounded bonkers, but the way the scene came out when I wrote it, he ended up a lot more sympathetic towards her than I'd imagined.
Having her be the one to lash out would solve that pretty nicely though. Thanks!

> https://twitter.com/Lupiesoft/status/757983359423225856

were the robots always so doofy looking?

>>149755736
giffy

Third-worlder gonna end his bumping shift in 30 minutes. It's been a great 9 hours, /evn/.

>>149756524
I'd rather fuck those robots than those girls

>>149755624
what do you expect, anon? they're not a professional EDITOR

holy shit the voices in just deserts are terrible

why would you even bother if it is going to be so awful?

>>149760501
turn off cornhole its a bit better.

Only a few more hours until morning.

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Decided to change the paint job for the motorcycle I'm modeling. Probably overdid the leather a bit though. Gonna work on it more tonight D:

>>149762843
Technically 4 here, though more like 12 until dawn.

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HAREM PROTAGONIST IS IN THE TOP #100 OF STEAM GREENLIIIIGHHHTT

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/updates/728605880/1469567565

>>149764964
i saw you shilling on /d/

>>149751417
Well, it has worked in at least one case

>>149755624
Never look in the LSF recruitment forum for writers. I don't know why, but real writers don't post there, ever.

>>149767176
Real writers don't write for evns.

>>149767271
In a no true scotsman sense, sure.

There are EVNs with authors who have been published elsewhere (which doesn't make them good), by proper professional freelancers, and by people who actually know how to English. But these things are harder to see up front than the art.

>>149767176
it's really the only place to find visual novel recruitment stuff in the west

>>149767874
No, it isn't. You could try any actual recruitment site anywhere. Sure, you wouldn't immediately find twelve kids who love anime and volunteer to work for free and then quit after a week when they realise you're not going to let them write about Naruto or whatever the kids are into these days, but is that actually a bad thing?

>>149768305
>not going to let them write about Naruto or whatever the kids are into these days
Hi Grandma!

>>149770095
Hi sweetie. Don't forget to close the door when you go out to play in the backyard.

>>149751946
They're Indonesian if I'm remembering correctly.

>>149758683
I think the side characters are better looking than the main cast.

>>149760501
This is why I don't know why people insist on voice acting. Most evn devs can't afford professional VAs or recording equipment.

>>149767092
Sakura games?

>>149771642
>I don't know why people insist
Voice acting is still super-rare in EVNs though, and even in our threads here we've seen people be impressed by its addition and want to buy the game because of it.

So it's not like everyone is cramming in voice acting, and it's not like it can't ever have a positive effect.

I personally don't do it because I don't want to think about the ulcers waiting for voices to be finished would cause. Dealing with artists is bad enough.

>>149771848
Yeah, but in most cases at least one or more of the VAs will be seen as terrible by the userbase. People are just as quick to mute voice acting when they don't like it and complain about your choice of VA. It getting muted means it was a waste of money, and it can mean less sales if you had to increase the game's cost to cover for it.

you don't deserve this bump

>>149750301
Where can i download it? Cant find any torrents.

There's an English version of a Korean made BL game called Beyond Eden on Steam Greenlight.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=725789351

>>149778458
It's only $9 on Steam right now.

And this thread is mostly devs, so they're unlikely to tell you how to pirate a game.

>>149779037
Anon he needs that 9 bucks for bread while he writes his vn, don't be mean.

Makes me think, how do you feel about the possibility of future players pirating your game?

Personally I don't want that of course, but I'd be a huge hypocrite if I got upset about it. So I'd never encourage it but be lowkey okay with it.

>>149779221
The Highway Blossoms thread on /u/ devolved into people repeatedly posting a link to a torrent for it awhile back. I can understand that not everyone can afford games, but there are many people who can that know they can just get it for free if they wait awhile. What I hate are the whiny bitches that can't stand it when they don't get a day 1 torrent.

NewWestGames, the creators of A Wild Catgirl Appears and Impulse, have a new game in the works.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=722210428

>Sweet Volley High - A Yuri / Otome Visual Novel from NewWestGames
>Sweet Volley High is the story of Aya Mizuki in her senior year at high school, as she pursues a dream of becoming a professional volleyball player. Will she find romance and success, or rejection and heartbreak? Your choices will affect the outcome in one of 5 endings.

>>149779221
I don't really think it matters truth be told. I would say YouTube might be more of an issue if your vn gets the attention, a let's play of a story means there isn't really much incentive to buy it, at least if the gameplay looks fun or there's a lot of choices and the YouTuber skipped them (but that's still a low incentive) they might think about buying.

>>149779839
Hello shill-chan.

>>149779221
There's nothing you can do about it (besides make a game nobody wants, I guess). So you can see it as proof your game has had some success.

>>149780124
I wouldn't necessarily think so. I find watching someone play a VN incredibly dull for a number of reasons, and the people who are likely to do that are likely to be people who wouldn't have ever played (or even heard of) your VN in the first place. Sure some people will choose to watch the shitty videos instead but overall it's more exposure for you.

>>149780023
But wait there's more.

Features
>Over 25 wonderfully rendered CG's by the new CG artist from A Wild Catgirl Appears 2.0
>Partial voice acting and a 100,000 word script featuring multiple routes.
>A completely new soundtrack, different from the usual VN fare.
>Built with Ren'Py for stability and custom options.
>Patch available on launch. (I assume they mean ero)

So, it's music is not like those other vns and list using Ren'py as a feature. Bravo.

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>>149780023
>A completely new soundtrack, different from the usual VN fare.

>>149780338
A lot of people do use royalty free tracks.

>>149779221
I don't care that much about some people pirating. Not everyone can afford games, and some people really do try before they buy. Whatever. I just wish they'd have the decency to shut up about it.

Please don't write blog posts about how much you enjoyed a game and how it's the best thing you've ever seen and btw here's a pirate download link, everyone get it here! The emotional torque for a dev reading that hurts.

>>149780501
>different from the usual VN fare
Most commercial projects don't use stock music. Not like those other vns always comes across as obnoxious.

>>149780301
If they previously released a game on that broken shit gear system (I'm blanking on the name of the tool, I just remember that default gear in the corner) then moving up to renpy IS a feature for them

>>149780270
I understand your view. The way I see it, people who really won't buy your game are gonna purate regardless, whilst potential trial customers looking up your game might settle on watching instead. I know it was the case for some indie who had a very story driven game with an emotional message that ended up failing outright because people watched it instead - I think the likes of totalbiscuit covered it. It can be very damaging for story oriented games since gameplay is normally the incentive since it will always vary person to person. Not that it would always happen, you could get more attention indeed end in more sales.

At least NewWestGames realized that TyrannoBuilder is garbage and switched to Ren'py.

>>149780625
Plenty of commercial projects use stock music, but no listener can actually tell the difference between stock and original unless the developer has the poor taste to use the same small list of over-used FREE stock music.

'Different from the usual VN fare' I would expect to mean a different musical style, rather than non-stock. A VN with a rock/pop soundtrack would be different.

>>149780808
The games most likely to hurt or not benefit from Lets Plays are cheap, kinetic vns with no ero. At least if it has a patch, that's something that can't be put up on youtube.

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>>149780023
Perfect.

>>149779221

I honestly don't get why people pirate niche games. Man, you obviously think it's worth playing, so it must be worth paying for.

This is why I can't stand fujos in my country. I once got eaten alive when I said that we never get any BL shit in spanish because 99% people here pirate the games.

>>149781906
Sounds like you are also a fujo in your country.

>>149781906
Because I can. That's basically it.

>>149781726
>elementary school
L-lewd

>>149782037

Yeah, of course, but I'm not an entitled pirate one.

>>149781906
Which country, if I may ask?

>>149781906
I understand why people do it if they're poor/underage. And that's okay, as long as it's something you intend to correct if you're ever nor poor/underage, so you don't grow up to be >>149782091

>>149783616
I don't buy things I don't have to. If you want me to buy your game, make it unpirateable (not including always online DRM), make it multiplayer (which VNs are SOL on) or make it so niche that the only people who would buy it wouldn't bother with uploading it.

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>>149782096
>not like those other EVNs
>stock BGs that aren't even edited

>>149764964
struck gold with dem anime tiddies

>>149783894
>make it unpirateable
That's basically impossible.

>make it so niche that the only people who would buy it wouldn't bother with uploading it.
Which would mean it'd be shit and no one would want to play it anyway.

Basically, you're an entitled asshole.

>>149784129
>Which would mean it'd be shit and no one would want to play it anyway.
That's not true. There's lots of fetish porn that's so obscure the only people buying aren't uploading it.

I'm not entitled. I don't have a right to play your game for free. But I can, so I will.

>>149783894
Sorry, but I don't intend to ruin the experience of good customers just to try and stop you from pirating it. I'll stick with just calling you a douchebag.

>>149783142
Mexico.

>>149783616
Most of those people aren't underage, and considering our public internet access is close to 0 and tied to pre-existing internet contracts, they can afford a computer and internet.

I'm guess I'm just annoyed because the conversation ALWAYS goes like this

> I don't where to buy them!
> give them a link
> It's in english/japanese!
> There's patch, just buy the original to support the dev.
> But I don't have money
> Wait for a sale/save fot it.
> I don't have a card
> There are cards that require literally nothing except an ID and a trip to the bank
> But....

And then they'll bitch endessly about how little BL games are developed and how no ones ever devs in spanish. Somehow, they can't wrap their heads around the fact that devs need to earn money to make games.

>>14978423
Your voice doesn't matter to developers. People who don't pay won't be catered to. If nothing you want to play gets made it's your own fault for not supporting the games and vns to begin with.

>>149784441
I'm not asking to be catered to, though.

>>149784441
There's not much point in talking to him, he doesn't care. As long as he's reasonably quiet about it and just goes about pirating shit for fun, he's not a big problem and not worth worrying about. Just treat him like a hater and ignore him.

>>149784602
Oh well, if you don't care that games you'd like to play won't be developed because you won't pay for them, then that's fine then.

>>149784782
Did you miss the part where I included things that are so niche few others would want them under things I pay for?

Think NewWestGames' upcoming volleyball vn will be any good?

At least in in Ren'py now, though Highway Blossoms devs proved that even basic coding escapes some people

Yuri fans are bound to buy it. I'm not sure about otome fans, since it looked like there was only 1 male love interest.

>>149784949
>make it so niche that the only people who would buy it wouldn't bother with uploading it

What part of

> make it so niche that the only people who would buy it wouldn't bother with uploading it

implies that you pay for them?

>>149785049
>If you want me to buy your game

>>149784949
Something that niche is unlikely to be made because it wouldn't be profitable. Unless it could somehow get a following like that furry game Breeding Season.

>>149785203
I guess you can't pirate a game that doesn't exist.

>>149785046
>Yuri fans are bound to buy it
man, I think we overdid it with "yurifags are desperate for VNs" meme magic

>>149788194
They're actually getting more selective since there have been so many yuri releases this year.

How about making a free game that comes with a bitcoin mining program or something? No hidden or tricky stuff, openly stated. Some kind of 'have this game for free but lend me some processing power in exchange' arrangement?

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>>149780023
>the creators of Impulse

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>>149789824
so this... is the power... of tyrannobuilder...

>>149790878
I can't wait to see what they can manage to do in Ren'py.

> https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=39602&p=423265#p423265

why

>>149795615
>I'm currently seeking 2 experienced writers
Should somebody warn him?

>>149795615
>taleweaver
>jiro horikoshi

yes lemma is such a "welcoming" community

>>149795754
Yes, but do so privately. Mods give that fucking asshole free-range.

>>149795615
Why is Jiro still allowed to post?

>>149796035
I know about Omni Jiro, but what's the deal with taleweaver?

>>149795615
>Finally, it sounds as though you are trying to redirect communication to a non-public channel (e-mail). Again, this is in violation of forum rules.
The worst.

>>149796603
public enforcement of dumb rules in the recruitment thread with things such as outright editing big red warnings into people's posts. any other forum mod knows to do minor infractions like that in private

lemma's quality would be improved so much if:
>firecat, demonic bagel, and jiro banned
>taleweaver modded in private messaging

devs i know avoid the place like the plague now.

>>149797225
Jiro would just come back under a new handle. The mods likely know they can't stop him from doing so, so that's why they don't bother with him.

Were do those devs recruit from if they don't go to lemma anymore?

>>149797520
Literally any other site with a large population of artists/writers/whatever they're looking for?

>>149797520
I personally don't know what the fuck I'm going to do about the scarce few character sprites I need, though they would at least be possible to make by editing existing sprites

The backgrounds I could use stock

The writing is all me

>>149797870
Blue Forest stock sprites could work.

>>149798125
I doubt I need to use stock

There's a very particular style I want, and it can be obtained by editing things I already have on hand, plus I only need about 2 edits of one thing and 2 edits of another, and putting facial expressions on those is easy enough

>>149797520
>Were do those devs recruit from if they don't go to lemma anymore?
friends/twitter now.

>>149797762
which is nowhere.

>>149798297
How does that style look?

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The fabled Menagerie patch will soon manifest into existence. Huzzah.

>>149798602
Sorry, that's for me to know

This is another issue, finding an artist who's incredibly discreet and capable of performing the edits that allow something to be distinguished as a different character

Writing might actually be the easiest part of all this

>>149798545
>which is nowhere.
Deviantart? Pixiv? Tumblr? Various sites that cater to niche like the furry art sites?

>>149799069
Trying to find a good artist that speaks English, doesn't cost a fortune, is actually available, and isn't a flake or a snail is much harder than you think.

>>149799268
It's nowhere near impossible like you seem to think it is. I'm guessing your main issue is that you're trying to skimp on your art budget or you just don't have it and can only afford desperate kids who turn out to be flakes.

>>149799268
Finding a person that possesses most of these qualities is going to be near impossible anywhere if you're not willing to pay up or accept slow work.

>>149799669
You hit the nail on the head.

>>149798849
Man, JP is really going to be busy when he has to review all of these things.

> http://cliqist.com/2016/07/27/visual-novel-harem-protagonist-falls-flat/

ouch

>>149799669
I have money but I don't know where to look.

>>149800275
I want to live in a world without AJTilley t b h

>>149801089
DEVIANTART? PIXIV? TUMBLR? VARIOUS SITES THAT CATER TO NICHE LIKE THE FURRY ART SITES?

>>149801540
>DEVIANTART
A ton of fan artists who never get back to you and who don't even check what you're looking for before replying to your ad.

>PIXIV
I no speakee Japanese anon-san.

>TUMBLR
My ideas don't mesh with the general mindset of that site. Unless you think that they'd want to help make my rape game.

>>149801847
Most artists have a tumblr these days for professional reasons. Tumblr has a reputation for social justice shit and retarded teens but that's not the only thing there.

>>149801847
>deviantart
>replying to your ad
Have you tried actually seeking out artists instead of hoping they'll flock to you to draw your anime fapbait?

>pixiv
Has had an English version for years and is popular among weeb artists and third worlders because they're just like their Japanese senpai.

>tumblr
Is not a hivemind and there are many porn artists who draw things that don't mesh with the general mindset of the site.

>working on four projects now

whoops

>>149802718
Are you an artist?

>>149803415
of course, and one of my projects is YOURS

>>149804007
But I am my own artist.

>>149804007
Considering how slow my artist is you just might be.

Is /evn/ running out of devs to complain about?

>>149804936
Will Infellune's yuri vn that she kickstarted ever come out?

Will it likely be good if it does ever come out?

>>149805696
I just want text to be readable.
White on light blue, what were they thinking?

>>149801540
Yes. I have been to these places. Most of the time, the artist I find still fail the 'good, reliable, and can speak English' tests.

>>149805942
>This looks pretty. Who cares if people can actually read it?

>>149800275
Should they really be writing an article about an unfinished games demo? Is this usual?

>>149807613
Isn't the point of a demo to represent the finished product? Odds are that if you didn't like the demo that you wouldn't like the full game either. She also takes issue with some of the stretch goals, like being able to touch the heroines.

>>149800275
>sexual things make me uncomfortable, this game is bad: the review

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vrrroom vrrromm

>>149807943
Would you ever play a game like Monster Monpiece where you're basically masturbating your PS Vita?

reminder to writers: don't use the word 'fucking' as a comma, even if your character is supposed to be a badass

it's horrendous to read a character's dialogue when they swear like a 13 year old

>>149808068
I don't see why not, the girls look pretty qt.

>>149807613
that site covers kickstarters and kickstarter demos are usually hopeful you'll back the game after playing.

>>149807943
that person loves sex games

>>149808549
But this is too far somehow.

>>149808085
Are you talking about this fucking anon?

>>149807981
cool

>>149808704
Ero is great, unless it's not to my taste, then it's offensive, wrong, and should be banned.

So I hear Max's Big Bust is actually not shit. Is it worth buying or should I hunt down a download if it exists?

>>149808549
>that person loves sex games
I highly doubt it if live2d headpat simulation is "too risque".

okay so is harem protagonist demo actually good?

>>149809765
Read it yourself and make your own decision.

Personally I think the art looks kind of off and the animations just feel unnatural.

>>149809489
She used to back AJ Tilley's projects before he became a serial campaigner.

Otome vns with a token yuri route.
Yuri vns with a token otome route.

Are these worthwhile?

>>149810552
to whom

This is stressful. Someone please hold my hand.

>>149810552
No.

Also, while otome fans aren't openly hostile to an optional female route/best friend, yuri fans will skin you alive for having a man in a girls only paradise.

>>149812312
What if you released two versions to download? One with yuri only and one with the otome route included?

>>149808085
What if they are a fucking 13 year old?
What if they are fucking a 13 year old?

>>149812312
Is the 'lesbians are angry and want to kill all men' meme actually true? Or is this a male purityfag thing? Or both?

I'm at over 420,000 words... make it stop!

>>149812581
Purefaggotry is not exclusive to men.

>>149812481
What if you just didn't bother with a bunch of extra effort that won't pay off enough and just make a pure yuri or otome game?

>>149812581
It's more that people who want to see girl on girl aren't interested in seeing a token man thrown into the mix. It's like how BL games never have optional female routes. Also, males aren't the only purityfags. Lesbians are plenty bitter about bisexuals.

>>149810552
Nobody here has any actual evidence to back up their opinions on whether it's worthwhile or not. It commonly happens if the writer is bi, or the dev team includes both people interested in men and women, or if a character developed in unexpected ways during writing and it just made sense artistically.

Don't expect it to bring in a big new audience, because people who are ONLY interested in yuri and won't buy otome games are still going to be annoyed by four guys and one girl, especially if the girl option is weak. However, there are a lot of players who are a bit bisexual or who aren't so protective of their sexuality that they refuse to play routes that don't match them, and giving them more variety sometimes makes them happy.

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>>149812153
Tell me about stressful. I just realized the latter half of my script reads like some shitty nasuverse original character donut steel fanfiction.

>>149812581
It's complicated. Yuri fans are SUPER touchy about a man swooping in and stealing their love interests, or about their strong lesbian protagonist suddenly kissing a boy or being revealed to have fucked a guy in the past.

But plenty of people will still play a game in which the love interest is a bi slut, or where male love interests exist, so long as nothing is forced onto their character without their will.

>>149813269

So if a girl had a relationship with a guy, even if she discovered she was 100% carpet chomping thermonuclear turbodyke afterwards she's 'tainted'?

That just sounds to me like a perverse way of saying that women are naturally drawn to dicks no matter what and the only way to preserve yuri is to keep them 'pure'.

>>149813464
No one wants gross semen inside their waifus.

>>149813464
If the _protagonist_ had a relationship with a guy and this wasn't disclosed to the player when they bought the game, but suddenly revealed later as 'I got dicked once', this goes over poorly.

>>149813464
>That just sounds to me like a perverse way of saying that women are naturally drawn to dicks no matter what
That's literally the opposite train. That's what they're upset about. It's why Rising Angels caused them to go nuclear because of the NTR plot with a man.

>>149813269
Well, that doesn't sound unreasonable. If they have been surprise-NTR'd many times in the past with these things you mention, is understandable they are touchy. Seems as annoying as surprise-slut in a suposedly lovey-dovey waifu game.

How would bishoujo game players feel if their standard idiot brown-haired protagonist, while chatting up his love interests, suddenly revealed that he once blew a guy in a high school locker room as an experiment so he knows roughly how it should work?

>>149813464
>That just sounds to me like a perverse way of saying that women are naturally drawn to dicks no matter what and the only way to preserve yuri is to keep them 'pure'.
that's hilarious, I've read how someone on /u/ was upset at the protag not being a "gold star" precisely because they thought it reinforced the "women are naturally drawn to dicks and lesbians are just fooling themselves until they meet the right penis"

>>149813464
Some people on /u/ rejected VA-11 Hall-A: Cyberpunk Bartender Action, because the female character was mentioned to have been with men in the past.

>>149813814
It's more likely for a gay character to have fucked the opposite sex than for a straight character to have fucked the same sex because societal norms etc.

How many bishoujo players would complain if they found out their love interest had fooled around with a girl before?

>>149813823
Arguments about symbolism and meaning can almost always be read as exactly the opposite. The same porn can be seen as liberating and as degrading. It's all in how you look at it.

>>149813814
Yeah, that would be pretty bad.

>>149813823
But if a woman discovered that she didn't like the dick and was drawn to the pussy afterwards, that;s the complete opposite.

>>149813670

So I have to put a giant trigger warning on my game because a girl had a dillywacker in her vagooja one time.

>>149814026
You know very well that's not the same thing. Many guys love erotic girl on girl action, if you couldn't tell by the multitude of those sorts of videos and dreams of FFM threesomes. The first example was more on point for how it'd feel for a yuri fan.

>>149814026
Yeah but I'm not talking about social norms, just a straight (hehe) question of how well you think that would go down with players.

Besides, a small amount of fooling around with the same sex at a young age is much more common than it's depicted in fiction, fiction likes to gloss over the confusion of puberty-onset and head straight into teenagers falling in serious love.

>>149813814
VN of the year.

>>149814251
Men are gross and dirty and when women touch men it makes them dirty too. When men touch other men it makes them a new level of dirty. This is the logic behind these feelings.

>>149814193
Well, why do you need for her to have had sex with a guy in the past? You could just not have that bit, or you could make her bi and describe her as that in the marketing materials so no one's misled.

If it's an important plot revelation that is meant to shock the reader ("Yes, I know I don't like men. I had sex with a man once. My father.") then play it as it is and deal with the fact that some readers will be upset. If you're intentionally startling them you have to expect that reaction.

If you're only adding "she fucked a guy once" because you want to remind everyone that this is normal and being totally gay isn't, perhaps rethink your priorities.

>>149814193
With sexual orientation and fetish porn, yes. It's one of the few cases where you need to be pretty clear with what kind of smut are you peddling. There is literally nothing more offputing than watching a couple going at it and then some dude starts blowing another or [insert whatever sinks your boat]

>>149814164
Yeah, but this is a lesbian, uh, I'll say meme because I don't know proper word -- that they can't know they're actually gay if they haven't tried men. So it's understandable I think if people don't want a character that seems to reinforce that.

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>>149814609

Because maybe the author wants to prove she's a carpet bagger because she's had the sausage and didn't like it. Also why can't you write stories that are realistic, why are you obsessed with stories fitting into rigid molds.

reminder to never ever listen to people who complain about sexual orientation in video games

>>149814609
>If you're only adding "she fucked a guy once" because you want to remind everyone that this is normal and being totally gay
Holy shit literally no one who does this has that reason in mind. People with that opinion would not make yuri games in the first place.

It could be part of her character, like "I tried to force myself to be straight for so long but I just couldn't stand it boohoo backstory"

>>149814869
>limitless possibilities of backstories and storylines for a homosexual
>90% of them are whining about how hard it is to be homosexual
No thanks.

>>149814787
>Also why can't you write stories that are realistic
because you're writing a dating sim?

You can write stories that are realistic! But if you peddle 'yuri fantasy dating sim' to a yuri crowd and then deliver 'sad dykes in bars talking about their lame sexual experiences with men', the audience probably isn't going to enjoy it much.

>>149814803
If they complain about you tricking them into buying something that is not for them, you should stop being a scumbag and listen.

>>149814869
Of course it can be part of a believable character. But if you know perfectly well that the audience hates that trope, why not change it? What's so important about it that means you need to keep it there?

>tfw really want to do anon's 'seduce stepmom away from dad' idea but milf would be tainted by dad dick

>>149814869
>Holy shit literally no one who does this has that reason in mind.
Haven't several people in this thread already said that it's pretty normal for a gay person to have tried straight sex once?

>>149815324
Shenanigans to disrupt the honeymoon so dad never gets to consummate it and you steal her away? Decide that since you share half dad's genes it doesn't count as taint, it's almost like you've fucked her already?
If she's described as the protagonist's stepmom no body should be too surprised she might have ridden a pole once

>>149815350
Sure, but no one is trying to communicate to their audience "BEING GAY IS FUCKING WEIRD AND BEING STRAIGHT IS NORMAL" if they're making a game that's supposed to appeal to people who like that stuff. It's not a reason, it's just a realistic and somewhat overdone scenario.

>>149815572

What's over done is the girl ending up with a guy in the end. Having a BF and deciding "I'm not straight, I'm gay!" and then proceeding to eat pussy till she dies.

>>149815324
A stepmom isn't actually related to you, so there's no reason she had to have the dick.

It's not like a game where you have a bet with your dad on who can have sex with your stepmom first is high on the realism factor anyway.

>>149815572
That wasn't what I was saying, sorry if it wasn't sufficiently clear. I wasn't suggesting that anyone is trying to communicate GAY is weird, but that they are sending a message that gold-star gay is weird, by constantly repeating the message of people trying out straight sex first.

If you're making a game that's supposed to appeal to people who openly complain about these had-straight-sex-once characters, what's the motivation for continuing to play the trope?

>>149815129
that's entirely different from people not liking a character simply because they fucked someone at some point

if you sell something to people while billing it as an entirely different thing, obviously that's bad

how about you stop being a reactionary bitch and listen

Some of you are projecting to the point of ridiculousness here.

If anyone needs a reason not to have an "impure" yuri heroine, it's not anything big and smart: it's simply because many yuri fans are fucking idiots who want that and you're trying to sell them your story. Don't bother trying to understand why it triggers them, just don't have girls who fucked guys or pick a different demographic. Feelings are irrational and even more so when they come from a male majority who values girls untainted by dicks.

>>149815572
>BEING STRAIGHT IS NORMAL
It is, though. Gay sex is recreational and has literally no purpose besides that.

>>149815324
Blood related mother incest porn is quite popular though. Their whole allure is an older woman who can go ara ara and "teach" you a few things. It's almost a requirement for them to have had sex even as stepmothers because it sets you up for the "your dick is so much bigger than his, sex with you feels so much better" line.

>>149816023
>>>/lgbt/

This isn't the kind of discussion needed here. Please take it to tumblr as well.

>>149815324
Just make the dad a douchebag workaholic who's never home and married your stepmom before going on an extended business trip. That way no honeymoon took place.

>>149816023
Dating sims are recreational.

>>149815835
>how about you stop being a reactionary bitch and listen
I'm sorry my wrongthinking triggers you. I'll listen and believe next time.

>>149815823
No, it's not sending a message that being a gold star gay is weird, I don't like this trend that every plot device a writer uses has some kind of grand implication to some people.No one is saying it's weird to be a goldstar gay, but not being one is a fairly common experience that some people like to write about.

>>149815812
>bet with your dad on who can have sex with your stepmom first
i need this

>>149816378
Your first relationship not leading to love forever is also a fairly common experience but no one wants to see it in a dating sim.

>>149816023
>literally no purpose besides that.
same with masturbation and having sex with a condom/birth control.

>>149816526
People don't want to see faked orgasms either, but that still made its way into an evn.

>>149816526
Let them write whatever they want, anon. Sales will decide if people wants more of the reality they are trying to forget or blissful fiction.

Sex should only be between a man and a woman, fully clothed, between the sheets in the missionary position for the purpose of procreation. That is what God intended.

>>149816725
So if my vn has demons I can do whatever I want?

>>149816645
because that EVN didn't know what it wanted to be and fell through the floorboards on its fat ass

>>149816645
Was it actually a faked orgasm, like "teehee I only pretended to come to make you happy" was a plot point? Or was it just a scene with a lame fake-sounding orgasm?

>>149816645
And everyone bitched about it!
Which comes right back to "if you insist on putting this sort of thing into your game, expect backdraft"

>>149816890
She faked an orgasm because her girlfriend is bad at oral, and kept it a secret, with only the reader knowing about it. This was after she promised to be more open and honest with her love interest.

>>149816271
They sure are, but that's no reason why they can't be based on reality. And the point here is not that people are trying to stop people from putting gold star gays into fiction, but reject anything but that when it comes to yuri by default even though it is literally the opposite of what happens IRL.

It is completely understandable that people have fantasies and want products that reflect that, but it's very intellectually dishonest to act like this isn't the natural way just because it is not politically correct to say. Natural/normal doesn't mean it's right, that's a stupid assumption that gets people from both sides of the political spectrum, extreme conservatives and hippies alike; it's just the default outcome barring some exceptions. Gay sex is the exception. Showing that people tried being "normal" before doing what feels right to them shouldn't be met with such backlash, but it is. Unfortunate, but the market speaks with their wallets. Does that mean we can't discuss it, though? Fuck no.

>>149816554
No one is saying they're "normal" when it comes to sex, however.

>>149816870
It sold okay, actually. It just got some bad reviews over that.
>>149816890
Protagonist fakes it because she doesn't want to hurt her partner's feelings.

>>149816802
You can even make it about totally consensual safe sex where the demons respect your boundaries and want only for your happiness and comfort.

>>149816996
The dev says it was supposed to be humorous, though whether this is a lame attempt at ass-covering or the truth isn't clear. Either way it's a very strange decision.

>>149817005
>not being comfortable talking frankly about sex and what you want with your love interest
The relationship was already doomed.

>>149817146
Biggest waste of demons ever. Loli demons that don't fug the MC are a close second.

>>149816870
It's sold over 5000 copies and only has a tiny handful of negative reviews on Steam. I don't think that counts as "falling on its ass."

>>149817136
They shilled it everywhere and it had hype because of that, so it's more like that helped counterbalance people disliking the second love scene. But even people who liked the game said they didn't like that scene.

> https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=39602&p=423311#p423311

lemma is the most welcoming community EVER

>>149817179
They said the scene was supposed to be silly as well as erotic. It failed on both counts. And if that's what the dev thinks is funny and sexy I have serious reservations about HRP now.

>>149817034
>Showing that people tried being "normal" before doing what feels right to them shouldn't be met with such backlash, but it is.
Because it's pathetic. I'm not interested in someone whining about it in reality, and I'm doubly not interested in hearing them whine about it in fiction.

>>149817220
Eh, lots of relationships are like that at the beginning, especially if the participants are young and inexperienced, not necessarily doomed.

When you've been married for five years and still haven't managed to ask your husband what the name he calls out during sex is, you've got problems.

>>149817316
>3,285 ±1,472
Means it could've sold less than 2,000 copies. Steamspy numbers aren't usable for games with less than 30k sales.

>>149817580
>Because it's pathetic.
How? Can you explain your reasoning for how not being sure of what you like and experimenting is pathetic, or is it entirely based on your own feelings in the matter?

>>149817580
>whining about it

not every instance is whining about it, and like anything else it can add depth to a character

you're the only one whining

>>149817736
"Not sure" is different from "trying to be normal." It's the second one that's pathetic and it's what people cry about the most.

>>149817704
I know one of the developers.

>>149817527
>"Why shouldn't they just make they're own stuff and sell it them selves?"

Remember, if you look for writers on LSF, this is the quality of English you get.

>>149817803
Depth to their filthy dick tainted vagina.

>>149817316
It did a lot better than RA Hope. Showed that fucker who is chief.

>>149817869
It's okay as long as you have a good editor.

>>149817832
How is it different if someone experiments because they're not sure and if they feel societal pressure to be with one kind of person? I'm pretty sure they're not "pure" either way by the criteria. Why is it so bad if someone grew up thinking the only way to love is one, and found out it wasn't for them?

>>149817869
jfc

>>149818121
hear are you're (you)

>>149818087
I'm sure if Raithfyre weren't spending all of Sekai's evn marketing budget and resources on his own projects I'm sure Rising Angels and other evns would've sold better.

Reminder that the dev of Highway Blossoms and HRP is the head of evn marketing at Sekai.

>>149818316
>all of Sekai's evn marketing budget and resources
which is 30% of every retard that signed a contract with them over two tweets, mind you

>>149818316
This is my favorite conspiracy theory.

>>149817034
>Showing that people tried being "normal" before doing what feels right to them shouldn't be met with such backlash.
IRL yeah. Everyone has a past, nobody is exactly as you would like them to be, etc. And nobody should be treated like shit for that.

But if I play a game whose main attractive is escapism and waifuism, I prefer my heroines to be virgins, to be honest. In yuri terms would be untainted by dick I guess.
You can have all the characters acknowledge that this is highly unusual and all that, but in the end you are doing it for fantasy fulfillment's sake. Right now our brain is in low energy consumption mode. Bringing up unconvenient realism here will only make painfully obvious how stupid and childish is the plot, defeating the purpose of the whole thing.

It's different if your game has an interesting and gripping plot and very serious and 'realistic' characters. But in that case the hook is the story and the complex relationships between the characters, not the waifu factor.

In the end, do whatever you want to do. I'm only telling you my personal opinion in this matter.

>>149818474
It's more than just a theory. Other devs get a tweet or 2 at most, while Highway Blossoms got numerous news articles about it and even bragged about being the first evn covered by Crunchyroll at release.

>>149818570
>But if I play a game whose main attractive is escapism and waifuism
Isn't that a huge problem, though? The assumption that every VN is for waifus and cannot tell a story, or that they have to pick when most mainstream media can do both?

I see no reason why VNs are held to a different standard.

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>all this discussion
scram, I want my comfy ded thread back

>>149818770
>It's different if your game has an interesting and gripping plot and very serious and 'realistic' characters. But in that case the hook is the story and the complex relationships between the characters, not the waifu factor.

Dude, at least read my whole post.

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>>149818774
discussing why yuri is such a shit fanbase is very comfy to me even though I very much enjoy gay stuff

>>149818910
I did, but you're still addressing it as if it's a black and white thing: regardless of the hook, can't a product be judged on its own merit?

>>149818770
People who play waifu games are very resistant to realism. They can't stand non-virgin heroines and automatically think that they're the worst girl.

>>149819091
It can. But if you sell people one thing and deliver another, you have to expect that some people will be ticked off about it.

Customers are allowed to have opinions. If you care about them being upset, try not to upset them. If you don't care about them being upset, there's nothing to argue about.

>>149819106
>They can't stand non-virgin heroines and automatically think that they're the worst girl.
Is this why people hate HB's protag?

>>149819208
>sell people one thing and deliver another
Has anyone up and said "this is just virgin waifus for escapism"?

You can still date them even if they had a dick inside them before. They're still lesbians if they like pussy. What is so hard to get?

Since when is Sekai Project publishing A More Beautiful World? Its demo is listed under them on Steam.

>>149818683
I'd expect Sekai not to have a massive conflict of interest like that, but it feels right at home with all the other stuff they do.

I would ask how you all feel about the thought of someone taking a character of yours as a waifu but then I remembered that most of /evn/ works on romance vns, so it's sorta kinda the point.
That's why I'm asking in this shitty meta-way that acknowledges that.

>>149819480
Please love all my precious daughters.

>>149819273
She comes across as a selfish bitch in the latter half of the story before the resolution. It might be realistic, but that doesn't make her likable or enjoyable to trudge through. The most common complaint I've seen about that vn (besides faking an orgasm) is that the protagonist is just unempathetic.

>>149819389
Who even knows anymore, so many people are being published under them I can't keep track anymore.

>>149819353
Why is it so hard for you to understand some people don't want that?

>>149819353
The target audience doesn't like those things, so why include them if you're selling your game. IDHAS tried and now yuri fans largely refuse to support his projects. You risk losing your intended audience.

>>149819568
She was a huge bitch during the part where their van broke down but I thought she was fine otherwise. She was incorrect but I knew where she was coming from after she explained herself.

>>149819719
>>149819810

I understand they don't want that, and they're free to speak with their wallets. I don't understand why discussing it as a fanbase or developers is such a hot button issue.

>>149819719
>>149819810
The intended audience can go fuck themselves

Thank fuck I'm not making anything resembling a romance VN or I'd be tearing my hair out from how obnoxious these people are

>>149819974
>The intended audience can go fuck themselves
Good for you, stick to your guns and don't bow to capitalist pressure. You're an artist...
>Thank fuck I'm not making anything resembling a romance VN or I'd be tearing my hair out from how obnoxious these people are
... oh, you're just a coward. never mind.

>>149819091
I see it more like a matter of poor execution. I think if you manage to build correctly the atmosphere, people (well, non-retards at least) will understand the tone of the work and adopt a less self-indulging mindset. If you manage correctly pacing, EXPECTATIONS and overall tone, most of the 'wahhh, she was a dirty whore that had sex once before!' critiques will go away. This, of course, includes making your audience aware of what kind of work are they getting into beforehand (the managing expectations part). Of course you can also pull a genre shift, but again execution is key to pull it off. You can fall flat on your face.

So tl;dr: what you say can be done, but often people fails to execute correctly and comes as 'why this silly harem game suddenly tries to get serious and ruins my fun' or 'wow, this adult and mature story suddenly did a 360 moonwalk and went full retard with tits and beach episodes'.

>>149819389
They tagged a kinetic novel as an RPG. This is bound to get a response.

>>149820105
Please stop using ellipses to try and make yourself seem dramatic and important.

Being a cunt in response to a fanbase being called out as being cunts doesn't mean shit, and nobody here has to impress you. The fact that you're this willing to jump on people over the mere concept of the yuri fanbase being composed almost entirely of obnoxious people is ridiculous.

>>149819460
He is the head of evns there, which I found troubling due to the conflict of interest as previously stated. I wouldn't be so bothered by it if it didn't feel like other evns Sekai publishes don't have any effort put into their marketing, while Highway Blossoms had a complete marketing Blitz for its launch. The discrepancy is troubling.

>>149819480
They'll only be able to interact with them via my MC. They can knock themselves out.
And if it somehow generates r34's, they won't be cannon.

>>149819974
>Thank fuck I'm not making anything resembling a romance VN or I'd be tearing my hair out from how obnoxious these people are

Lmao, vn fans that for some reason don't like romance are even worse. People are willing to put with a lot of shit for the sake of waifus/husbandos.

>>149820291
>Please stop using ellipses to try and make yourself seem dramatic and important.
what

>>149820815
We have some resident ellipses haters here. We made them cry about a month ago posting plenty of
........................ what?
...........
.................but.............. anon...................
.........
......
...
I'd rather prefer if we skipped over it this time.

>>149819853
>It's fine if the MC is an ass as long as they attempt to justify themselves.

She also mocked her love interest for being immature, but also said she didn't like her love interest becoming more mature and less innocent. The thing is the love interest was likely becoming more mature in part because it's what she believed the MC wanted her to do. Their relationship was actually quite toxic if you think about it.

>>149820815
you ever notice how condescending motherfuckers tend to use "..." a whole lot when they're arguing so that they appear to be far more intellectual than whoever they're talking to? it's that

they seriously can't help themselves

same thing with this person >>149820996 saying people are crying over it when they're clearly the most asspained person in the thread for whatever reason

>>149819974
Ever read romance novels? They're just as cliche as waifu sims, but you know what? They sell, unlike most attempts at reinventing the genre.

Art versus business

>>149820996
I use ...'s when I want to get a particular tone across and I'm still triggered by their horrendous overuse in JVNs.

what a bOOOORINg topic

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>>149821129
Yeah man. I'm, like, super bitter and totally not having fun with your previsible reactions.

Imagine a world where you have to preface your product with ONLY BUY THIS IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR PURE VIRGIN ANIME GIRLS WHO ARE SEXUAL ONLY FOR YOU AND HAVE NEVER LOOKED IN ANYONE'S DIRECTION BEFORE or people will feel justified in hating your project.

You live in this world.

>>149821129
"..." isn't remotely intellectual though, it's quite the opposite. That's why most people take issue with it.

>>149821531
I don't disagree with you

>>149821526
too bad they can fucking deal with it instead

>>149821429
>previsible
are you the highred guy

>>149821526
Sounds like you're taking this a little hard. What's it matter to you why people hate your product? Shouldn't you shrug this off just as easily as SJW complaints?

>>149820291
You're right, it would have been more grammatically correct to use a dash to indicate being interrupted mid-thought.

I'm serious, though. It's one thing to say that you don't care what the audience thinks, you're going to tell your story your way. Nothing wrong with that, although it's a bit hypocritical if you insist on ignoring all warnings and then complain when people don't like it.

Bitching about the fanbase's claims when you're not even writing for them in the first place, though? What is even your point?

>>149821526
Yes. You totally "HAVE TO" do a thing that no one here has said you should do, because otherwise you run a risk that someone somewhere might say something mean about your project and hurt your feelings.

>>149821663
Most likely they think they're a visionary, but now think their project will tank so they're throwing a hissy fit.

>>149821687
>Bitching about the fanbase's claims when you're not even writing for them in the first place, though? What is even your point?
I was having a conversation about a subset of the VN audience, which is generally a pretty solid choice in the thread for English VNs

There's always going to be parts of a group that are purists, and there's nothing wrong with that in concept, but the amount is really disproportionate when it comes to anything remotely homosexual, especially with yuri as the topic

I was having a conversation and you can't stop me

>>149821880
not even them, but holy shit project a bit less next time if you want to properly bait

>>149821815
>no one here has said you should do

>>149819208
>But if you sell people one thing and deliver another
>>149820141
>This, of course, includes making your audience aware of what kind of work are they getting into beforehand (the managing expectations part).

How come every VN is by default supposed to be about escapism and fulfilling your fantasies rather than telling a story with the themes advertised? This is seriously bordering on trigger warnings.

>>149820491
I asked Raith about it and he said that they got the same treatment other EVN's get, where a press release is sent out and any outlets interested can request a key. Apparently it just had more people pick up on it. He also said that he doesn't have any control over any sort of marketing budget.

>>149821526
No. For starters use a setting different from a High School. Use a more serious writing, play with the tone, present the conflicts openly, maybe admit some the main char feeling unconfortable about the fact because they expected different, or explain why it doesn't affect them...
There are ways to pull it off. It's like taking a kid to a Disney film, having Dumbo die in the stunt, and expect people to be happy about it.

>>149821630
No, I am the other one who made a typo a few posts afterwards. Someone asked me the same thing then.

>>149822196
>No. For starters, write the story in this arbitrary way that will not in any manner stop purityfags from complaining just to appease my own expectations.
wew

>It's like taking a kid to a Disney film, having Dumbo die in the stunt, and expect people to be happy about it.
Glad you brought Disney and death up, because this whole thing is very much people crying about how Bambi sucks because his mom dies.

>>149822085
>How come every VN is by default supposed to be about escapism and fulfilling your fantasies rather than telling a story with the themes advertised?
Genre expectations. Sorry, but they do exist. If you release an FPS, people will have certain expectations of that, too, and may be confused if you go against them.

Managing customer expectations starts early in design. The way you name your product, the art style you use, the screenshots you pick, every bit of information you release sends signals to the audience. If you release a game with photorealistic graphics, people are already going to have very different expectations than if you did one with cute anime.

Take a business course, maybe?

>>149822160
So the first evn that Crunchyroll decided to cover at launch ever and that got way more articles than any other project just happened to belong to the guy in charge of evns at the company? This is especially weird since they've done other yuri evns before and have published some solid games in the past. Of course he's going to say he didn't get special treatment.

>>149822160
>I asked Raith about it and he said that they got the same treatment other EVN's get, where a press release is sent out and any outlets interested can request a key
That's an enormous lie. They were doing showings of Highway Blossoms at GDC, at the very least. They certainly weren't arranging in-person meetings with the press for any other game they publish.

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>>149822419
>Take a business course, maybe?

>>149822419
But a VN is not a genre and there are plenty of popular JVNs that are more than waifubait.

>>149822419
>If you release an FPS, people will have certain expectations of that, too, and may be confused if you go against them.
There is a clear difference between expectations in mechanics and not having any leeway in content subjects.

>>149822085
>by default supposed to be about escapism
It is if you use your standard cutesy manga art and your blurb makes emphasis on how many LI are there.

>>149822645
dood you are generalizing way too hard right now

this entire line of thought has just gotten stupid, but thanks for entertaining me while I write

>>149822580
Since the topic is the "purity" of the love interests, consider how many of the heroines in those top JVNs aren't virgins.

>>149822160
>same treatment other EVN's get
Paying attention even a little will show that's not true. Sekai's twitter posts about his game triples that of any other EVN. They also did their demo at Sekai's GDC booth and played the HB trailer at almost every big convention Sekai has done in the past year.

>>149822415
It's different and you know it. Bambi ends well. Conflict in characters route are expected, but if you kill the whole cast in the most senseless way and say: 'TRUE END', you can imagine why people might have a problem with that.

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I'm finding it hilariously ironic that people are defending purely homosexual stuff as the only way to write yuri by saying you should stick to what is already established as normal or else.

Queerness is literally defying tropes of sexual normalcy.

>>149822580
>>149822616
It's not /evn/'s fault that Steam customers are dumb as fuck. Unfortunately, if you want to sell to them and are extremely oversensitive about the possibility of anyone disliking your game, you have to deal with it.

>>149822865
Those VNs are often not romance so the topic of the female characters' virginity may never come up.