/evn/ - English Visual Novels

First

>The girl that's actually a man/was a man.

>The character that's actually a robot/android. Blade Runner ripoff about their humanity and soul.

>Time travel. Bonus points if the time travel has no rules, or violates its rules.

>Supernatural elements worming their way into a grounded narrative, sometimes with no warning.

>The climax of the story revolves around the power of love and friendship.

>Numerous bad ends that are either canon in alternate universes or ignored.

>Several large twists that make next to no sense under close inspection, or make the reader say 'huh?' immediately. These come at the end.

>Characters dumping wikipedia articles about philosophy or thought experiments and everyone but one character already knows the details, or people quoting books they have no right to have read.

>A person on the protagonist's side turns out to be the source of all their suffering. 'Even my immediate family bought it!'

>Someone is brutally and needlessly killed and or dismembered for shock value. Usually done by a character that had no foreshadowing as a potential killer, or is too small for the task. Said killer is typically prompted by petty bullshit.

>Seemingly innocuous choices have ridiculous outcomes, like above.

>Absolutely insane amounts of fluff: dialogue scenes and subplots that go nowhere and contribute nothing to the main plot or the character's conflicts. [It's a beach/cooking episode. Hermione fighting for elf rights.] Simply portraying two people together in the same room is not relationship development. They must be tested, or it's fluff.
Literally hours, or entire novellas dedicated to nothing simply to increase the word count and thus the writer's paycheck.

>Music played when silence would enhance the drama.

>Protagonist is too pure hearted or kind. They're unrealistically willing to socialize with the number of people they do, in the manner they do.

Help me fill this out, /evn/. I want to subvert or deconstruct each one.

>>148505224
>I want to subvert or deconstruct each one.
This is how terrible stories are made.

>>148505224
Is diversity not a trope?

>>148505224
>you cannot learn anything about a character unless something serious and pressing is happening
>relationships between characters do not develop without some kind of "test"
Have you ever had relationships with actual human beings?

>>148506217
Have you ever read a book?

>>148506274
1. Not all (good) books follow what you said.
2. Visual novels are not books.

>tfw you love slice of life and the "padding" /evn/ gnashes their teeth over
Just wanna be comfy.

>>148506650
So because a VN isn't a book, it shouldn't have good writing?

>>148506737
What is good writing for a book does not necessarily constitute good writing for a VN,

>>148506719
Me too. Comfy is important.

>>148506884
Good writing: everything advances plot or theme as concisely as possible.

>>148507174

Comfy is important, but if the characters are having a quiet meal in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, well...

>>148507426
Nice hot opinions. Go deconstruct concisely, I'm sure it will be a real moneymaker

>>148507426
What about scenes that just let you get to know the characters? It might not progress the plot, but it does help you empathize with a character.

>>148507537
>if the characters are having a quiet meal in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, well...
But that's exactly the sort of thing you want to see. A little bit of peace in a doggy dog world.

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>>148507797
>non porn evn
>money at all, in any way, for any production
These memes are reaching their expiration date, and the memeless shelter is closed! Please don't let them go to waste.

>>148505224
Write a story about a protagonist that seems too pure and kindhearted to be true, but is actually a girl pretending to be a trap to extort money from trap enthusiasts. She carries around a giant boombox that plays mood music 24/7. All her trap enthusiast friends are also giant posers that say intelligent things they found on the internet to sound cool without understanding what they mean. There are choices that seem extremely serious that lead to silly and meaningless conclusions. Every time characters start to relax and live like normal people someone screams at them to stop and get back to the plot. Every character remembers any bad ends that happen and will talk about how unpleasant they were when you advance the game after having played them. This is due to time travel with complex and thoroughly explained rules contained in a giant infodump. The world is full of supernatural, but a completely mundane plot takes the stage with no warning. A cute girl who you would expect to be a yandere, upon encountering a scene where those characters would be expected to snap, is actually a genuinely sweet girl and forgives the person for their minor slight. At the end, it's revealed that all the protagonist's problems were caused by a random stranger who has not been involved in the story at all before this point, but the characters point out that this makes no sense and ignore the revelation.

Here's your new bestseller, no need to thank me.

>>148507956
>dog eat dog world
fixed

>>148507837
That's exposition. You shouldn't have that 2/3 of the way through your novel.

>>148507426
>as concisely as possible
You mean "as concisely as needed". Just as you can be too long winded, it is also possible to be too concise. There is a happy middle here.

>>148508207
I'll throw slice of life in wherever I damn well please.

>>148508173
God dammit Hemingway, you forgot my robot.

Any advice on starting a patreon?

>>148505224
So, form over content? You don't even have an idea of what you want to write, but you want critics to say nice things about it.
Instead of asking here you should go to tvtropes and rip a few pages.

>>148508197
People like you are a diamond dozen, you know that?

>>148508514
>>148508173
Sorry.

One of the MC's poser friends is faking being a robot in order to be cool, but is actually a human and literally does not have a soul. Also, the ending revolves around the theme of the power of strangers.

>>148508957
>a dime a dozen
fixed

>>148508838
But how can I validate my narrative's existence without 100 postmodern tricks on the reader?

>>148509080
I swear, you damn grammar nazis think you can just waltz in and go "walla!" and fix everything. This isn't per say the best way to go about things.

Guys, my story has 6 villains and they all have the same name. Is this bad?

>>148509623
Are they all hot?

>>148509623
Yeah, that sounds bad. Is there one MAIN antagonist?

Is some fur trash welcome?

>>148509623
Depends on the grimmick/

>>148512717
Bane?

>>148513148
Yes... what? I ask every time i come in this thread if i'm welcome.

>>148513550
You don't need to keep asking, you know. Just go ahead and post that fur trash.

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>>148514349
Here's some fur trash then. This was a fun scene to write since I was basically writing a presidential speech. I pulled a lot of inspiration from Donald Trump because I was looking for that fear element of group creation. Plus using the phrase make blackgate great again is just so perfect. It's slogan genius and helps with the xenophobic elements in the VN.

>>148514678
pretty cool!

>>148514678
Who's the Bernie of Blackgate?

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>>148515212
Oh shit... that is an excellent question. I know Vincent (cat librarian who is a dick to everyone, no one likes him, and he can put people in jail) is Hillary. Bernie is Sooth, (pictured) old turtle dude who was all about change and fighting for the future but his life was tragically cut short.

>>148515421
>Bernie is Sooth, (pictured) old turtle dude who was all about change and fighting for the future but his life was tragically cut short
Does he fug you up the butt before he dies?

>>148505224
these are all great ideas, thanks

Wow these threads really died with Dischan, didn't they.

>>148514678
>this hack writer getting excited about his hamfisted political commentary

im glad someone out there is at least enjoying himself

LIVE

>>148522381
Don't jinx it

>>148522489
>implying there was any need to jinx it
We will die perfectly well on our own without any voodoo involved

>>148522727
True.

Ooga booga

>>148509182
You don't need to. I am validating your narrative through my own writing. This entire thread is part of my VN.
Reality and dating sim collide in swirling vortex of post-modern subversions, 4th-wall metatextual techniques that my buddies on TVTropes think are cool and words that I don't know how to use.
I am the ruse cruise and I was a passenger on you all along.

>>148505224
>Hermione fighting for elf rights
m8, that was to tie in with the overall plot, told us something about her personality that we didn't pay attention to before and was fucking hilarious
now every scene in FSN with Taiga is a waste of time, I agree

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still thinking wistfully about >>148501957
characters:
your coach, who in his youth was an olympic medalist himself
your teammate, who is nowhere near in your league and only gets to come to world events because you're a contender so your country gets two slots
the brash American competitor, an athletic jumper who puts on a macho front to try and convince his country he's not gay
the ruthless Russian competitor, a perfectionist who comes across as a cold skating machine

>>148530315
Get out of here slut, 4chan is for men only.

>>148530368
lots of beautiful, well-oiled men

Where did everyone fucking die?

Come on guys, keep posting your idiotic opinions on what makes a VN good. Otherwise the thread will die.

>>148532815
VNs are only good if they have boobies.

>>148532815
I'm too busy trying to make progress on this project before self-loathing kicks in and I delete the entire out of shame and have to try and make myself feel better by eating bread rolls again,

>>148533097
I'm sick of whiny fucks like you. JUST DO IT. Ignore the self loathing, stop coming on here and feeling bad for yourself.

>>148533223
Wow, you did it! All of the self-loathing in the world is gone!

>>148533223
No, fuck you, everyone has a right to bump this catatonic thread with a pity party post at least once a day.

>>148533008
boobies and cocks at the same time

>>148537887
When will Winged Cloud ever make a futa game?

Does anyone here ever read evn's with no dating or lewd anything?

>>148538975
i very rarely see evns that are lewd
certainly i've read a few with no romance, they just need to have some other compelling hook to catch my interest

>>148538975
It's easier to get interest in a romance/lewd game. Many evns aren't written well, so at the promise of romance/sex will keep people invested.

Look at Roommates from Winter Wolves. The gameplay and dialogue were average at best, but the dating sim aspect made it successful.

People love romance options. They want to date the character they like the most. And to fell like their input makes a difference and keeps them engaged with the story.

>Tfw you can't commission artists because good artist on deviantart all think they're too hot of shit to even reply back.

Anyone know a better site for this? I'm willing to pay for the artist as long as they're not shit.

>>148539965
artistsnclients maybe? though i'd recommend visiting the site of someone if they have it listed, it seems they up their works by a few dollars on there, possibly because the site takes a small percentage.

>>148539965
fucking artists, took me literally a year to find an artist who isn't a scum

>>148539837
c14 has dating sim and isn't successful, I suspect there's more to it than you think

>>148540879
It wasn't marketed well and had Katawa Shounen love interests. Sometimes "diversity" is bad for sales.

>>148519920
You're completely right. However it's better to hamfist your butthole than to leave it aching with not2deep4me since you're clearly a gut bucket bottom. Hope you stocked up on enemas because I go in dry... just like my writing.

>>148516642
Nope. He's too old to be in the bone zone.

>>148543769
but some people love old men

>>148541706
I highly doubt that anyone looked at it and went 'Oh, gosh, this game has diverse love interests, that kills my ladyboner'

The biggest problem I've heard from everyone is just that it's boring. Always Remember Me may be stupid but it has that dramatic plot starter to catch people's interest. C-14 doesn't even pretend to have a plot. The official Steam blurb is "C-14 Dating is an otome dating sim that combines archaeology, friendships and love." How dull is that?

At least promise us buried treasure, or a find that will shatter our beliefs about history, or SOMETHING. Instead it's all "Realistic college semester abroad! You might dig up an old pot or something!" It sounds totally dull.

>>148545587
Japanese schoolgirls don't count :^)

>>148545938
>I highly doubt that anyone looked at it and went 'Oh, gosh, this game has diverse love interests, that kills my ladyboner'
If there was a dating sim where you could date only guys in wheelchairs or who are blind would you want to play it?

>>148545938
It spent about 60% of the time reading like a textbook case on archeology. It wasn't woven in there, it just broke in and shutdown whatever the plot (which was vapid at best) was trying to do. It's a shame because the sudoku-like puzzles were rather fun.

>>148545938

People are willing to put up with huge shit for good LIs. Having bad LIs on top of a boring plot was the nail in the coffin.

>>148546376
If you could date ONLY guys in wheelchairs, it wouldn't be diverse, it would be a very particular fetish.

We've had some entertaining conversations on /evn/ in the past talking about blind love interests and NTR, iirc.

Clearly we need an otome game set in a mental asylum where you're a nurse dealing with different flavors of cute fetishized crazy.

The delusional fellow who insists he's someone famous/important
The charming sociopath who seems surface-normal and will absolutely eat your liver if he gets the chance
The suicidal one with a tragic past who needs you to become his reason to live
The guy with the hairtrigger temper who becomes obsessed with you and beats your rivals to death

Forget EVNs, MH Gen is out.

>>148547528

> letting crazy stick his dick in you

>>148547758
not necessarily 'letting'
you know how girls are
romantic rape routes ahoy

Is there an evn or dating sim that lets you choose between dating angel, demon, or human girls?

>>148548462
according to vndb tags, https://vndb.org/v14140

>>148548763
I'm very disappointed. I'm sure someone can do a better job.

If anyone here is looking for an evn dev roommate, apparently Tao's looking for a new place to live.

>>148549175
No doubt, but EVN was traditionally low on girl-dating games before the past few years, so there's a very small pool to have to look for +angel +demon in.

The Rising Angels series has characters with wings but I don't know if they count as angels or demons. Toko has angels and demons in it but no romance choices.

>>148550203
There's Tokyo Babel, but it's not an EVN. I just really like the angels, demons, humans dynamic and would like to see more of it.

>>148549338
Too bad I live in a different continent.

>>148507174
How the fuck do you make a comfy VN? What is a comfy VN? What the fuck is this shit?

>>148556857
If you have to ask, you're not the right person to make one.

>>148556857
The autism started sooner than usual today.

>>148556857
I don't know what the person you're talking to meant, so I'm just trying to guess for myself. I suppose I'd think it might mean a certain kind of predictability, while still being well-written enough that it doesn't feel like you're just being buried under a groaning pile of cliche.

Strictly Formula. You can look at it and know what you're going to get, you don't have to worry about a massive shocking swerve in plot just to be edgy. The writer isn't trying to impress you with how clever they are, and instead just lets you enjoy all your favorite tropes and hang out with the cutie of your choice. You can relax and be pandered to. Everything is okay.

But I could be wrong.

>>148508793
Yeah, don't start one. I'm so tired of seeing everything behind Patreon these days. Fuck all creators.

>>148557623
>how dare people want money for things I want for free

>>148538837
God I hope not. Futa is the worst fetish for secretly gay people. We love dick so much we want to put dicks on everything. We wake up and eat dicks, eat dicks before we go to bed, and then we dream of dicks.

>>148558236
I'm going to omit your first two sentences and put the other amazing ones in my game.

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Yesterday I've asked /evn/ what tutorial they'd like to see.
Someone suggested a light and colour tutorial, so here's a preview of the part 1 of the tutorial.
I'm cutting it now into a comprehensive step-by step list elements.

>>148540847
Because you're all retards with too high expectations. You want the best for the cheapest, and what do you get? Artists who burn out, new artists who don't know what their art is worth and end up burning the fuck out, artists who have way more clients than just you so they can just straight up choose to ignore you if they want, artists who have so much commission money or inner toil that they completely forget about you. You get what you pay for, and if the price is too good to be true, it normally is. Keep getting burnt though, it gives me a good laugh.

>>148545587
Does it really matter when he can't even get erect anymore?

What kinds of puzzles or minigames are not impossibly hard to program into a ren'py game? I want to add some cool stuff to my game to keep the plebs entertained.

>>148557316
>>148557438
You fucking cunts. I'm not even making a comfy EVN. I don't need you to push your shit on me faggots. I just asked what the fuck it was. Like what is it? Endless boring text from two people sitting by a fireplace sharing a mug of liquified batshit? What?

>>148557543
Thanks for the opinion you wonderful fucker.

>>148558938
Do not shoehorn in minigames for no reason other than "I don't want to bore the readers." You'll just end up frustrating them with out of place tedium.

>>148557754
That's not it. Everyone wants money for everything. Even things that don't deserve money. Or they ask for money to try their things or view their things. It would be alright if a few talented people did it, but everyone does it. You would have to pay thousands and thousands of dollars and wait months and months for them to verify you paid them and give you the password to the super secret download file with your tier of whatever they're selling. Barely anything is free anymore. Thankfully people with money like to share with us poor people.

>>148558406
It's a package deal mother fucker. Take it all or none of it.

>>148558407
Hey, I recognize that light and shadow tutorial setup. Can't remember from where though.

>>148556857
the go-to word for when you make a really boring story

>>148558664
That makes him safe and nonthreatening and so desperate to please you can actually get him to commit foreplay?

>>148559610
>It would be alright if a few talented people did it, but everyone does it.
They don't, though, only a few people have patreons. And even those generally still sell games, unless they're ripoff artists you shouldn't be supporting. You don't hve to pay anyone thousands. Just buy the $20 game and be happy.

Lots of people would love to share their games for free if they didn't need money to pay for housing/food/etc

>>148558505
>Because you're all retards with too high expectations
I know, it was stupid for me to expect people that draw chinese cartoon girls as a job to act professionally

>>148558938
Renpy is pretty to code stuff in. You do have to have a basic understanding of programming though.

>>148559610
don't use poorness as an excuse to be entitled. i'm poor as shit and i still pay for things if i want to consume their content.

>>148561609
You hire kids on a site for kids and expect them to work for a couple dollars and you're setting yourself up for failure.

>>148562836
I like to get free things when it isn't worth being paid for. I'll pay for good things though. It's part of voting with your wallet. I won't pay for shit. I'll take it when it's free though. It just adds the extra step of having to put up with finding their patreon and figuring out that I want to download their stuff since they don't post it anywhere else.

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>>148559892
It's the most common setup for light tutorials in the world, I think.

Anyway, here's the finished tutorial. I'll also prepare a version for outdoor scenes.

You can give me all the shit for the link at the bottom. Just give it all to me, senpai.

>>148566947
>You can give me all the shit for the link at the bottom. Just give it all to me, senpai.

No.

Shit's hitting the fan in Turkey. I hope none of you anons are there.

>>148570074
are vns legal there?

>>148570903
Maybe non erotic ones.

>>148570074
Thankfully not. It's been months since I was in Turkey.

Looking at the comments on the fbnoexcuses hashtag, I realise I have no idea if I've ever hired a black person or not. I never meet the people I hire. I don't usually know their real names until after I've hired them. I'm reasonably sure several of them were asian, and the ones from south america were probably brown?

>>148572521
Every time I see one of those things the first thing I think is that I'd not hire the people involved, they seem to conflictive to be worth the bother.

>europe on fire
>america on fire
>middle east still on fire
>i'm sitting here writing anime schoolgirls

so this is what it's like to be flotsam

>>148572903
Well, most of the people yelling about it on twitter are the Concerned Allies, not people actually trying to get hired. There's a natural skew towards people with nothing but time on their hands yelling their heads off in any online 'debate'.

Blacks make up less than 15% of the population of the United States. So of course every job should be at least 50% black right? That's called equal rights.

>>148573143
I think facebook has more than 14 employees.

>>148572976
It's the only meaningful topic to write about in this fucked up world. Keep at it, hopefully the retards outside will have killed each other by the time you have finished your masterpiece.

>>148572976
Australia is only not on fire because they rounded up all the foreigners, put them on an even smaller island, and told them to play Hunger Games.

>>148573289
As long as 7 are black and 7 are white it's fine. Asians don't complain enough, so we don't have to worry about representing them. I wonder why they never seem to complain. Weird. Maybe it's because they're educated. Who knows.

>>148573502

My guess is because most asian cultures discourage sticking out, which complaining makes you do. Japanese people in particular have a strong culture of "complain and we'll stick you in a cublice until you go crazy".

>>148573502
The point was that it was 7 black and 1000+ white.

>>148573502
>I wonder why they never seem to complain
Because you assume that they're meek and subservient and content and therefore completely ignore the asians screaming about SJW issues and cultural appropriation, and just assume all those posters are white/black.

Seriously, one of the most obnoxious justice trolls I've personally encountered is an angry asian guy who makes absolutely everything about race.

>>148573502
>never seem to complain.
they're currently taking over the worlds movie industry so why would they? look at how many hollywood movies released in asia first this year before domestic, and included cameos for famous asian actors to help the white hero for a random scene.

>>148573636
They'll stuck them there anyway, complaining or not.

>>148573636
That's not specific to Japanese people when it comes to the workplace. Most workplaces in the US, you do not want to get a reputation as a troublemaker. You won't be stuck in a cubicle, your ass will just be fired.

The 'no sticking out' thing is more divergent in Japanese schooling culture, as best as I can tell. American schoolkids want to stand out as much as possible.

>>148573665
They're too busy doing black things and socializing to be homestuck nerds who would apply to facebook. Most blacks I know love to hang out and talk at eachother in very loud voices.

>>148573636
American Asians can be very outgoing and tough. I think a bigger reason is that they are largely highly educated as a whole, and many of them have top jobs in their fields.

>>148573892
>look at how many hollywood movies released in asia first this year before domestic, and included cameos for famous asian actors to help the white hero for a random scene.
tell me, then, how many? what proportion? Last I heard, asians were still under-represented in Hollywood vs population, although not by much. IIRC they get a good number of background roles but are very rarely made leads.

>>148574031
Yeah but in Japan there is actually a cultural thing about not breaking the pace/disturbing others. People in other cultures are just being pragmatic, and will snap if pressed too hard.

I want to say it's whites and asians and then latinos and blacks as a group, but latinos actually work hard instead of complaining all day.

>>148574446
Yep, we can work pretty hard when we want. I usually prefer not to tho, but at least I'll be lazy in silence and won't complain about a thing.

>>148574446
>but latinos actually work hard instead of complaining all day.
what, you've never seen a bunch of lazy drunk latinos lying around doing fuck all? where do you live?

>>148574263
most disney movies including the marvel franchise and animated movies. china banned mad max fury road and it's been cited as why that movie bombed in terms of income, even though it did well domestically.

antman is also getting a sequel soon just because china liked it, unlike guardians of the galaxy coming out in 2020, because china didn't find it funny.

>>148574446
Illegal Mexicans with no choice don't count.

>>148575186
That's what you do after a hard day's work. I've never seen a latino family that hasn't worked their asses off during the week and partied on the weekends. The latinos I worked with were also some of the hardest working people and most honorable that I've ever worked with. Also have worked with many great black and white people. Asians are almost always a little fucked up in some way if you get to know them. Something wrong with those fuckers.

>>148575186

Fun fact: The popular image of the drunk mexican lying on a field is from a time where most mexicans where field workers, so they started their day before sunrise and finished around the time most other people began to work. By then, the field workers were already resting and/or drinking.

>>148575350
>most disney movies including the marvel franchise and animated movies.
???
>Adventures in Babysitting 2016

No asians in the main cast that I can see. Looks like maybe two in the supporting cast.

>Alice Through the Looking Glass 2016

I don't see any east asians involved anywhere, though Meera Syal voices a minor character.

>BFG, The 2016

Not seeing any asian names in the cast

>Finding Dory 2016

Not seeing any asian names in the cast

>Finest Hours, The 2016

Not seeing any asian names in the cast

>Jungle Book 2016

Not seeing any east asians, only indians

>Zootopia 2016

Well, Tommy Chong is half-Chinese, but...

You're gonna have to be more specific

>>148559386
Comfy is friendship simulator. It's its own genre, you don't need to make everything pander to lonely subnormals. Real wizards don't want company.

>>148578439
So if it's its own genre, what is that genre like? Tell me more

>>148504967
Is this screenshot for real?

>>148583476
It's a kickstarter, it's real as fuck.

>>148579797
Think of comfy movies you've watched or comfy books you've read that were still interesting. It's like that. It can still have a plot arc, but there's a relaxing atmosphere and nothing truly stressful happens.

>tfw artist is also my girlfriend and we live together in a de facto relationship.
>She can't flake on art duties because I know where she sleeps (right next to me) and I force her to stay on track if she's low on motivation.
>I can't flake on writing duties because she knows where I sleep (right next to me) and she forces me to stay on track if I'm low on motivation.
>No disappearing artist drama, no production drama, just fights over who gets the last spring roll and tickle fights when one of us get really bored.
Living the VN production dream.

>>148547562
>tfw backlog is too big for MHG.
After getting sunk in to FU for hundreds of hours on my PSP solo because I didn't start playing it until 2013 and getting stuck in for 4U for hundreds of hours, I don't think getting stuck into MHG for what will clearly be at least another 500 hours is a good idea when I'm already bouncing around between 15 or so games at the moment.

>>148587089
are you polyamorous

>>148573458
Oy vey, fucking Bogan goys ruining my plans of a multicultural world.

>>148587089
I'm sleeping with my programmer but that means we can get distracted and get no work done

>>148587089
have fun when she breaks up with you.

>>148587587
No. We don't even talk to other people unless we're forced to because it fills us with autism rage.

>>148587089
Sounds like you two have it good, but aren't friends and family generally a bad idea to work with? I'm stuck in an awkward position after my friend broke up with her bf, who made some art for me. I'm not supposed to speak to him anymore, so that art's wasted. I'm even afraid of making friends with those I hire because feelings lead to messy expectations.

>>148588632
It depends on how well you know them and how well you can deal with problems with them. I know someone who hired a friend's girlfriend as an artist, and when she started being a serious problem as an artist it caused problems for the friendship

>>148588632
Why the fuck are you letting your friend boss you around? He wasn't your boyfriend, you can talk to him however much you want.

>>148587345
I was undecided on whether I should buy it till this morning because I just finished putting my first 100 hours into 4U, have been putting some time into FU and 3U as well. In my defense, I pretty much just play MH since two months ago.

>>148589912
>I just finished putting my first 100 hours into 4U
Sounds like a big game.

>>148588632
>>148589263
The answer here seems to be 'don't hire someone a friend is dating'

>>148589263
That sounds more typical. I can only think of one example personally of someone who has worked with someone close and had it go well.

>>148589362
She didn't tell me what to do, but I guessed her feelings on that. Plus he started liking me afterwards, which didn't leave much choice.

>>148590182
I've had the same experience outside of that particular instance, though.

>>148590737
>She didn't tell me what to do, but I guessed her feelings on that. Plus he started liking me afterwards, which didn't leave much choice.
Why would you go for the bad ending instead of pursuing that romantic route?
You need to get better at VNs.

>>148590972
The romance routes are bad ends in real life.

Clear

>>148576991
>Alice Through the Looking Glass 2016
Did she used to be a man? I've never seen such a manly jaw on a female before. Also she is not cute enough to be alice. Her hair is obviously dyed and she doesn't have blue eyes. Revolting.

>>148586846
Are there any comfy EVNs you can give as an example? I want to see it in practice.

>>148595510
Deconstruction shit. Lewis Carrol liked little girls but loathed boys. Putting a tranny is the nu-way to shit on his memory.

>>148587089
>tfw artist is also my girlfriend
Stopped reading there.

Is this the same guy who reminds us every week that his gf is his artist and he met her here or something and brags about it?

>>148587089
Fuck you

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>>148595510
I have carefully measured the finger length on this anime character and determined that it is not properly feminine. SHE'S A MAN.

>>148595732
People of today annoy me. I wonder if people were always this intolerable.

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>>148596214
Yeah, I'm totally blowing this shit out of proportion. You're right. She is so adorable.

I mean if I were gay she would be adorable.

>>148596273
People burned other people before. Still do in some parts of the world. I think someone saying mean things in a chinese cartoon imageboard is comparatively within tolerable levels.

>>148596637
Maybe they were burning the femnazis and sjws to keep their numbers in check. Now that the burning has stopped, they have been multiplying.

Whilst we're sharing /soc/ shit I met my fiance through this general and he's my composer now.

>>148597717
No one gives a shit.

>>148598294
I give a shit.
I think it's very amazing that they have a composer fiance.
Gib free tunes for my anime date game I can trade 4 my dragon OC huehuehuehuehue.

>>148598294
How are these cynical introverted neets even hooking up on here anyway? We're too busy being dead or throwing a bitchfit about something stupid.

>>148598589
Because cynical introverted neets are more likely to be extremely clingy and respond to any kindness by "falling in love".
Not to mention being extremely lonely and horny.

My husbands read the thread along with me while sipping champagne and chortling, because we are considerably richer than you.

>>148598454
You the fiance? I bet they stick up for eachother on 4chan. Pretty funny.

>>148598589
I have no idea, but it's weird. They could be lying, they could be fat fucks who were so desperate for love that they had to use an anonymous imageboard to find it, they could be trolling. I don't know, and I don't care. If you care, you're either white knighting them because you're a cuck or you care about stupid shit. Or both.

>>148598589
Maybe we can find out together.

>>148599380
>bunch of desperate guys and a couple of ugly lesbians looking for love the thread

Can't we just be happy for each other? We're already outcasts to the rest of the world.

>>148599743
I'll only be happy about it when it happens to me.

>>148599743
>Can't we just be happy for each other?
this kills the crab pot

>>148599891
This isn't a normal crab pot.
This is a pot with a handful of crabs jerking off to their mudpiles which they made look like boobies and blaming the crabs that left as the reason they're still in the pot.

It's called tact. I don't go into threads full of poor people and start talking about the 6 figures I make every quarter unless I'm an insensitive asshole, belligerent, trolling, etc. We see the same posts constantly. Are you so insecure about it that you have to tell everyone on 4chan? We're here to talk about VNs, not the greasy pimple faced fuckhead you hooked up with on some dead 4chan thread.

>>148600419
By the way I make 6 figures every quarter and married my home town sweetie. We also make VNs in our spare time together, but since we aren't forced to expect money from them we work on them in our leisure. I also buy her everything she ever wants. I hope you're happy for us too. She is beautiful, young, and has a great bod by the way.

>>148600419
>>148600639
shit nigga u salty

>>148600639
>She is beautiful, young, and has a great bod by the way
I know.

I want EVN with only midi music

Two questions:
1. Should my kinetic VN have a tutorial?
2. How few flashback scenes can I have without the reader getting lost?

>>148600786
The only thing salty is the tears of joy your mom cried when I fucked her anally last night.

>>148600803
She would see you and go to the other side of the street. Even thinking you would ever be able to be less than 20 feet from her is unreasonable.

>>148601281
1. No. Unless you're going to teach your player how to read.
2. Just make sure to properly establish where your flashbacks begin and end. Your readers should be fine.

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>>148601281
>kinetic VN have a tutorial
>mouse click to advance

>>148602657
I can see that loli's clit crack.

>>148602657
I assumed it was a meme choice that people would pick for laughs.

I guess it works if the tone isn't serious to begin with.

>>148603129
puffy vulva

>>148603365
Well, if you are hoping into the meme train you can do pretty much whatever you feel would be fun as long as you are witty and the VN doesn't take itself too seriously.

Has anyone in here actually finished a VN?

>>148607781
I'm up to 164k words and likely halfwayish, maybe slightly more, in terms of wordcount

I have most of my sprites ready and a good pool of CGs to use, and all the background music is also good to go

Everything will be daijoubu

If you're making a game with romance, please for the love of god let me banter with the love interests. I'm so sick of picking options that sound like light teasing only for them to act like I told them I'm going to rape their mother.

>>148608045
How long have you been working on it?

WHY IS IT SO HARD TO FIND A SINGLE DECENT ENGLISH SPEAKING ARTIST WHOSE WILLING TO DRAW PORN, NOT EVEN ANY WEIRD FETISH SHIT, JUST NORMAL SEX, LET ME THROW $$$$ AT YOU ALREADY

>>148610626
Donate to their patreons and enter the monthly raffle. You might get lucky and get a picture.

#PatreonCulture

>>148607781
Yep, but it's really short. I'm working in a longer one now.

>>148607781
yeah

>>148610762
On* a longer one (autoincorrect)

>>148610859
>>148610762
Post links to them please.
I like seeing what other people have done.

>>148610729
Please don't kick me whilst I'm down
I'd go as far as to say 90% of all 18+ artists have sold their soul to patreon.

>>148610626
Describe the scene and I will sketch it up for ya

>>148608129
about 50 days

>>148611392
A sexy black woman having just finished jerking off a horse. Cum play is big theme in my artistic projects so make sure she's got plenty of semen all over her face and in between her fingers.

>>148611212
This is the world we created. I tried to warn people. It will only get worse.

>>148611590

Hi Tao

>>148611590
>A sexy black woman
Oxymoron.

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>>148611590
Hair style?
Body type?
Loli? Milf?

>>148611880
Milf please.
With big sagging MILF titties and little bit of thickness in that "I've had two kids and let myself go a little" kind of way.
And wild, curly hair.

>>148611880
And you are a very kind person for drawing this.

>>148610626
it's a pretty long and complex issue to explain. i just draw my own porn

>>148612074
You're a selfish shitlord? Got it

>Writing eroge.
>Getting into it.
>Start masturbating while I'm writing my game's sex scenes.
>Type one handed for an hour while I slowly tease myself because feels better.
>Finish writing scene.
>Cum.
>Reread what I wrote.
I basically have to gut the whole thing because my dick took too much blood away from my brain and the entire thing is riddled with mistakes, massive continuity errors and nonsensical sex acts that aren't even the slightest bit possible.

>>148610626
My artist draws porn, dunno if her style fits your taste though.

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>>148612067
Hungry, bored and stressed.
Letting off some steam with this sketch.

>>148612324
That's disgusting.

>>148612352
If it did would you seriously be willing to share? I don't want to poach anyone.

>>148612386
That's incredible. That body type is exactly what I was picturing in my head.
I especially like how she's apparently got the big areolae as well. It just ain't MILF without big areola.
I'm not even the actual guy who was upset about not being able to find an artist. I was just shitposting and pretending to be him by asking for a deliberately taboo subject when said he was wanting normal sex. Your sketch is fantastic and has warmed the cynic in my heart. I hope your stress works itself out man, you deserve it.

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>>148613054
Anybody could tell that you're not that guy anon.

>>148613158
Not allowed, not allowed!!!!!!!

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>>148612704
I'm available for the right price...and deadline.

>>148614017
f/beast?
More like yes/please!

>>148612704
http://yokudesu.tumblr.com/
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=2761796

Welp.

>It took me 4 hours today to write 2,500 words.
I'm torn between feeling good about some progress at all and feeling bad about slow progress.
At least the work I was doing was just prep work and summaries of scenes I haven't scripted yet so there was also the "working out what I'm saying in more detail" aspect which slowed me down.

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>>148614324
Meh bored of this already.
Good stress relief session tho.

>>148618131
As the ancient Cherokee people used to say, "Nothing relieves stress like horse dick."

>>148532815
Sex.

>>148614442
Thanks for sharing anon but you're right, I am looking for a different style.
>>148614017
Thanks for offering but it'll take more than a messy sketch to convince me you're worth 4 figures.

>>148615253
Consider yourself lucky. It takes me a whole day to write 2,500 words.

>>148623706
Where and when do you do your writing?
If you're at least hitting 2,000 in a day it's a good milestone, no matter how long it takes.

>>148622724
I don't do those sketches to convince you anon, I did it out of boredom.
Thread needs bumpin anyway, so anything to keep it alive is always helpful.

My offer still stand tho, if you want some cool stuff to sketch just drop in some rough description.

question:
>publish a vn with my own music
>I make a patch, replacing the music with unlicensed, third party music
>is it legal?

>>148623706
>>148624449
You guys are going for length. Gonna fail...

>>148625932
I'll show YOU length! *unzips*

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>>148625932
whats wrong anon, you dont have the talent to write?

>>148625805
Of course not. But you can suggest your users a list of songs to replace the original tracks. How they obtain them is their own business.

>>148626039
what if I make an unofficial patch, doing exactly that?

>>148625932
>Length.
Fuck no, my VN is going to be so short that I probably couldn't justify charging a dollar for it even if I want to cash in.
I just make sure I write out my basic plan for each scene before I even think about start scripting each scene in Renpy.

>>148626115
Won't be legal and some people might get angry, but if you put it in a torrent or somewhere where it's relation with you is not evident, you shouldn't have to many problems.

Could be a good option if you are doing a free VN and don't want to pay a lot. Although if you are intending to go commercial you can't complain if you do that and people decide to pirate your game...

>>148624897
A muscular older sister being dominated by a loli little sister.

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>>148626345
Yeah, fair points there, anon. Thanks for the input.

>>148626025
Sure, keep thinking that. If you're thinking about how many words to write each day instead of writing when you're confident to write or have good ideas you're going to fail. Also, your reaction images are /b/ quality, might wanna hang out somewhere else if you want to collect reaction images.

>>148627135
anon I was just joking, sorry

>>148627135
Not him but I don't think you are getting it right, at least for some of us. I'm writing a very long story (I like to think it does not have unnecesary padding, since every event advances either plot, worldbuilding or char development), so writing only when I feel in top condition is not very efficient. Sometimes I need to force myself to write or it will take me forever to finish. Everything is already planned out, so it's kind of a "mechanic" thing in most cases (not really, but I only need to worry about style, not thinking what happens next). I can always go back and edit the more delicate parts later for extra detail.

In this situation, worrying a bit about wordcount is understandable if you are taking into consideration release dates, your artist deadlines, etc.

>>148626557
At least make it from one of the project of yours anon.

>>148627808
That IS a scene from my project.
Incest, ho.

>>148627606
>it's a "we attempt to disguise our poor skill with thick-ass line" episode

As a consumer, what would you consider a worthwhile length for a 5 dollar VN?

>>148627808
A loli little sister being dominated by a dog

>>148631672
2 minutes if it's sexy enough

>>148631801
I can get two and a half tits and three quarters of a dong.
It'll have to do.

>>148631672
2-3 hours minimum

>>148631672
For the most part I wouldn't buy a $5 VN, it's probably shit. A creator can't afford to put any actual interesting options in a game for that.

If it is very specifically tailored to my interests (only one route but it's a route I really want to play) then yeah, about 2-3 hours. However, I read fast, so I may still be the one bitching that your game was only an hour long.

>>148632831
>A creator can't afford to put any actual interesting options in a game for that.
Bullshit.

>>148633738
I'm sorry that I contradict your worldview in which people are happy to make 50-hour VN/RPGs and release them in order to make a sum total of $4000 in returns which won't even pay for the team's bar bill.

>>148634331
Bro, if you can't afford to put anything interesting in the game when you're charging $5, you probably shouldn't be doing an evn. I'd assume your the idea guy, right? Wants everyone else to make your lame idea interesting; in that sense then okay, you can't put any interesting options in there.

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>>148627135
Actually as long as you have done the planning and plot work beforehand (as in, you have most of the story in your head) then daily wordcount goals are fine.

Right now my daily goal is a minimum of 100 words, which ends up being more like 300-600 on a good day. I write with confidence knowing I can always go in and chop stuff out during the first major editing phase. But in practice the low daily goal means I don't have to add filler to succeed and I'm also touching my story every day.

It's been great for me.

>>148634331
But that's assuming people are charging $5 for 50 hour VN/RPGs... There are some perfectly fine VNs that are only 2-3 hours long that are priced cheaply to reflect this. Not every story needs to be a behemoth - in fact, I'd argue a lot of JVNs could actually use some serious cutting and trimming.
This is such a stupid argument I don't even.

>>148634495
>Someone disagrees with me! He must be an idea guy. Or maybe a manager.

Note that I did not say you couldn't put anything interesting in a $5 game. I said you couldn't put interesting OPTIONS.

The original asker was asking how long they had to make the game to justify a $5 price tag. This implies up front that they do not have the resources to make even a medium-length game, they need to make something short. They are probably intending to go less than 60K script length.

You can tell a good, satisfying story in 60k. However, if you want to have five love interests and good/bad/neutral ends for each of them, that is suddenly much more challenging. There's not enough room there to develop that many branches. You might try going the Voltage route, where the player choices are all apparently irrelevant (one line of dialog changes, tops) until the very end and then fork it on points scored, but I personally find that dissatisfying as a gameplay experience.

There is not enough room in a super-short game to have a wide variety of story outcomes and have them all feel substantial, well-crafted, and meaningful.

>>148634709
I think you missed the thread of the discussion, friend.

>There are some perfectly fine VNs that are only 2-3 hours long that are priced cheaply to reflect this.

Yes, absolutely. I do not disagree with this.

The person I was replying to seemed to be saying you could afford to put everything and the kitchen sink into a $5 game and still have a sustainable business. That, I disagree with.

> price is only reflected in wordcount

enjoy your 300k game illustrasted in paint.

>>148635681
Worked with Higurashi

>>148635681
Yeah, notice how no one ever said that, but go ahead feeling superior.

>>148635861

how else would you get a time minimum? gameplay?

>>148635972
I have set my game to lock the text speed to one word a minute. This makes it more valuable. You must experience it with patient determination.

>>148635208
The point was, which you are failing to understand, is that money shouldn't dictate your vn. You're dismissing the passion people have for their project, the things many people do without any money at all going into their project. What if he ends up in a free team, providing him even more support? If your product boils down to money you are already creating a bad product.

A story doesn't need to be super short because of money, you can still have those five love interests with little money - it's if you actually care about your product enough to do that.

>>148637843
>is that money shouldn't dictate your vn
Naivety: the post.

Money decides whether you live or die, and how.

Free teams hardly ever last more than a few months, let alone complete anything. If you want to get a quality project done, money is literally the main deciding factor.

>>148637843
Hmm I suppose I agree to some extent, but... if you want to make a VN w 5 love interests and a lot of environments, you need to pay for the art and bgs (provided you can find somebody who will do it for free, but... what are the odds of somebody not invested in the project taking on this much work for no repayment?). I suppose it's different if you do the art and writing and coding and music yourself - then you can be as ambitious in scope as you want - but if you can only do 1 or 2 of these things, you'll need to get other people on board, and this will almost inevitably cost money... And, even if you love your project, you'd have to be some kind of moron (or some kind of millionaire) to sink a load of money into something if you're planning to release it for free, or for super cheap.

If you want to make a long VN on a low budget and release it for free/cheap, you'll need to cut corners somewhere. Otherwise, it's not really do-able... So yeah, while I think money shouldn't be the most important factor in creating something, it definitely is a factor, and it's a factor that'll impede the quality of your final product. You need to be realistic, too.

>>148637843
I understood your point, that's why I snarked about people willingly donating years of their lives to make an epic game for nothing more than beer money.

Sure, it's possible. It has happened. But it's not sustainable, and not sensible to expect it. Sadly a lot of people DO think they can get away with demanding free labour "for exposure" and throw massive strops when people they've solicited aren't interested.

You can do a volunteer-only project. That's not an evil thing to do. But if you lie to people about the payment and then suddenly say that they should be glad just for the opportunity, or demand only the highest-tier skill levels apply for your volunteer gig, or ask people directly to 'volunteer' for your project and yell at them when they explain they don't work for free, those are problems.

>http://s-purple.tumblr.com/post/147484294391/breeding-seasons-cancelation-my-side-of-the

wow

>>148639936
I know this is just make-believe, but who honestly hates reading books more than /anything/ else.

>>148639958
money breeds drama

An artist that flaked on me over 10 months ago just messaged me guys! There is still hope for you all.

>>148639958
Damn.

>>148642434
>going with an artist who flaked on you once before
ayy lmao, enjoy your dead project

>>148642916
It was actually for a random art piece related to the project, I currently have most of my game assets already done. It is nice to see he didn't die or something though.

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>>148643165
do they do porn tho

>>148504967
Anyone got something with >giant robots that they can recommend?

>>148642916
I have actually managed to get an artist who flaked on me before to finish a later project.
It involved a lot of pulling teeth, but it did get done.

>>148644367
I'm breddy sure there's only Sunrider

>>148648378
sierra ops when?

>>148649504
never ever

>>148635208
At 60k words I'd expect a kinetic novel.

>>148644367
ACE Academy has GEARS and Stargazers is supposed to have space mechs.

>>148652773
>ACE Academy has GEARS
But is it good?

>>148648378
Sadly already played sunrider, though I still have to play through the new DLC.

>>148653056
I liked it better than Sunrider, but it's still in Early Access until sometime next month or so.

>>148652773
>ACE Academy has GEARS
But are the guilty?

>>148653234
Going to check it out then, thanks.

>>148653252
Kek

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thoughts on these grills

>>148659494
I hate them all except upper-left

the color saturation also seems pretty off on all of them

>>148652320
Exactly. No options, to get decent depth.

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How the fuck can I change the background of the choice button?
I've been looking for the solution for too long now. Can someone help me please.

>Voiced lines in an english vn
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>148660152
..it's an image...

>>148660561
Fuck off tumblr.

>>148660152
http://fuckyeahrenpy.tumblr.com/post/97167953020/how-to-customize-in-game-choices

>finished orginizing and finding details on 50 potential news sites/reviewers/youtubers/bloggers for my KS marketing campaign.
Still adding some as I'm getting near, though.

What about your progress, guys?

>>148660620
how is that tumblr? is this the new version of get thee behind me, satan?

>>148662681
baka i bet you used most of your publisher's marketing budget dirty sellout hack fraud

>>148662681
Just checked through mine and I have 82.

>>148664040
>publisher
>marketing budget
Hahaha.
>>148664101
Good job, man. Are you including smaller sites/people or just those who can give decent exposure?
Also, campaign when?

>>148664292
Honestly just anything that I can get my hands on.
You never know which ones will end up being the most useful.
My campaign is launching in January but I thought it best to start making preparations now so its less work I have to do nearer the time.
What about you, when are you launching?

>>148664470
In about a month or so – mid August most probably. Should start sending out letters in the near future, as soon as I confirm the exact date.

>>148662681
I organized all my scripts and am waiting for my writer to look over three of them

>>148664743
Best of luck! Provided your project isn't shit, of course. What group are you pandering to?

>>148664831
>Provided your project isn't shit
I would like to think it isn't.
>What group are you pandering to?
The "romance/drama with plot" group, I guess.

>>148665148
otome, het, or gay?

>>148665314
Het.

>>148665364
So long as the art is easy on the eye, you'll do fine.

>>148665471
I certainly hope so. Thanks.

>>148665526
I won't be able to pledge myself since my own project is sucking me dry of all expendable funds, but I'll keep an eye out. Good luck.

>>148667716
>We're planning to finish Chronotopia's demo in a few weeks and launch a Kickstarter campaign to fund the full game.
Well, fuck. Apparently, I'm going to have a competitor on Kickstarter when I launch my campaign. That's not very good for either of us.

>>148667716
Source?

>>148668562
nevermind, found it

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>>148626557
>>148628425
>pen battery died
>fall asleep waiting for it to recharge
>overslept
>weekend deadline

>>148670486
OP here, bueno. Do you have any social media I could follow/contact you on?

>>148668404
There's always going to be competition, anon

>>148671525
This, its unavoidable. Don't pussy out like highway blossoms did and change your release date just to try and dodge it.

>>148671702
Highway Blossoms didn't even have a Kickstarter.

>>148672056
No, but they changed their release date to avoid releasing at the same time as a localized JVN with a very similar plot.

>>148557543
No. Comfy is SoL shit. Your definition still has room for more dramatic plots. Comfy is basically watching people go around and doing generally enjoyable things, but well written enough for it to not be terribly boring. The point is to imagine yourself enjoying this nice comfy situation. Though some people will find it boring no matter what.

>>148672708
>a very similar plot
'Girls in love' is not a similar plot.

>>148672708
Wasn't it the other way? I remember it was a yuri nurses JVN that got delayed. Unless you mean another JVN before that.

>>148672708
Pretty sure they said or implied that they changed it because of the Steam sale

>>148673008
The nurse game got delayed for a quick translation/editing touch-up pass.
Highway Blossoms got moved _forward_ in order to launch before the Steam Sale.
The JVN which is similar to Highway Blossoms hasn't been released in English yet and doesn't even have a date set.

>>148626039
Can I code my VN to open youtube links in the default browser? Is that legal?

>>148672867
I'm pretty sure I see people use 'comfy' when talking about other game genres, though. Surely a "comfy RPG" doesn't mean all SoL?

>>148602624
No, I meant flashbacks to previous scenes. How many times should I do it per chapter?

>>148607781
Yeah, a short one.

>>148673819
It's kind of dumb, since if you're linking to a site/videos you don't control, they might not stay there. Launching browser windows without user permission is legally dodgy in some jurisdictions, and intentionally trying to sync music to your game that you don't have the rights to do so is still a licensing violation.

Either license a soundtrack or let people play whatever music they want. Don't try to fake a soundtrack.

>>148674005
>How many times should I do it per chapter?
This isn't a sensible question that anyone here can answer.

"Every chapter should have precisely 1.7 flashbacks"

how would we know?

>>148625805
>>148673819
Are you retarded?

>>148635208
If you and/or your friends can do all the assets without outside help making a VN doesn't have to cost jack shit except for your time spent making it. I'm just saying people seem to think VN assets inherently cost money when they actually don't.

>>148673989
>Surely a "comfy RPG" doesn't mean all SoL?
You are correct. For an example, play Rune Factory 3 or 4. Preferably 4.

>>148625805
Why would you go through the effort to make your own music and then still try to plagiarize others? I don't get it.

I'm gonna charge 10 dollars for a 4 hour VN and none of you fucks will stop me

>>148674253
Fuck the RIAA, I'll do whatever I want.

>>148675013
Don't cry when no one buys it.

>>148675147
you'll be the ones crying when you can't emulate my success

>>148675013
mine is even shorter. i'm expecting negative reviews but that's the price i'll pay for more jew gold