/evn/ - English Visual Novels

Honorary first post and bump.

First for work on your project every day or a faceless man will molest your waifu at night.

>>148883637
i can get free sex partners by being lazy?

>>148883687
Bisluts not welcome.

>>148883846
They are very welcome, especially in yuri vns. Just post about your bisexual characters on /u/ and see what happens.

>>148882953
It's summer now and the ancient shitpost-limiting covenants have been forgoten. The dark energies will secure these threads un-life through the night, although its very soul might be eroded away in the process...

>>148884105
Well shit. Do we need to perform a ritual or something?

>>148884015
Bisexual sluts will molest your yuri waifu in the night and taint her with secondhand semen

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>want to write a sci-fi military drama vn
>don't want to load it with waifus, so it'll be mostly dudes
>need character art to get started
>all the artists I skim through on Lemma draw bishonen gays or cute girls

I never realized how hard it would be to find an average-looking dude in an anime artsyle. But maybe no one would read it anyways if everything didn't look fuckable
>especially the guns

>>148885223
Yes
Post progress if you can
Sadly it's only possible if you are an artist. As a writer, I can only say vague stuff like: "today I made an irreverent character poke fun at diabetes".

>>148886894
Welcome to my world.

>>148885941
My dream come true.

Does anyone else read negative Steam reviews for fun? VNs get some really good ones.

>>148887001
I'm all out of mana today, but tomorrow I'll make an effort, I-I promise

>>148886894
Don't go anime, go semi-realistic?

>>148886894
I think the last anime I watched with average-looking dudes was ghost in the shell desu.
Anime might not be a good idea if you want to avoid fuckability.

>>148887001
I wish writers would post progress excerpts the way they do on /lit/.

Is it bad to have a vn that's all dialogue with no narration?

>>148888139
yes

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Hello again, everyone! I just wanted to address what you pointed out in the previous thread about Sentimental Trickster, or rather myself, the author. I didn't post progress here, because I already had people who criticized my work and I was working extra hard for the last couple of months. Didn't really have time for much else than sleeping. I like 4chan (maybe I'm a masochist), I used to do drawfag requests on /a/. That's why I wanted to let people here know about the game. I'll come back when you have a BL visual novel thread, maybe it will be more appropriate there. Goodbye and take care!

>>148887991
Sorry mang. I'm pretty paranoid. I'm doing something a bit unconventional and don't post excerpts on principle to avoid the eventual bout of stupidity that may reveal my gimmicks.

>>148888139
no

>>148888139
Maybe

>>148888585
why does every character look the same

>>148888585
>I'll come back when you have a BL visual novel thread

anon, you really need to lurk more. That's what /blog/ basically is.

>>148888585
Good luck with your project, but there aren't enough people for a specific EVN-BL thread. We do talk about BL projects in here occasionally though, hang out long enough and Monstrous Lovers will come up a lot

>>148889130
I thought they hated EVNs

>>148889130
Isn't that pretty much a mobage thread now?

>>148889338

the feeding chain is unstranslated vns > translated vns > evn > mobage

>>148889396

Because otoge and homoge are rarer than other types of VN, plus a lot of people are EOP. Most of the time there's not much new stuff to discuss.

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>>148889206

Speaking of, god bless Badriel for coding the GUI instead of using imagemaps. I would be pulling my hair right now if I had to do heavy image editing for the translation.

Also, little sister is now in game.

Reminder that most yuri is written for men.

i did five character design and sprite sketches today of sexy girls

>>148890123
Cute. I imagined her smaller when playing the demo tho.

>>148890123
>Badriel
How much did it cost you for him to do the GUI? Ballpark. I can't seem to find any prices for that.

>>148891076
I built an amazing castle out of ice. I don't have any pictures of it, but take my word for it. It's amazing.

>>148890865
except mine
and hers
and hers
SHE doesn't care, though, that slut will spread her pages for anyone

>>148891321

I actually switched Silvia with the youngest sister (so now Silvia is the second youngest instead) because of how involved she ended up being in Ben's route.

She does act childish so Ben will spoil her, though.

>>148891473

In the 150+ range. You'd have to ask him, though, since thas was quite a bit ago.

>>148890865
I write for both genders, no matter what I'm writing.

>>148894905
That's not bad, thanks.

>>148896284
>both
you uncultured swine

>>148898212
>implying theres anything wrong with wanting to maximize potential profit
>implying alienating an entire gender is the right way instead
Hope you have fun with your project failing.

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>Went to bed early and sad because I was stuck writing a scene and couldn't work out how to do it, even though I knew how the scene would progress and all the beats I needed to hit.
>Woke up and blazed my way through it without a problem.
Someone get a gynecologist and bucket of water because this cunt is on fire.

My dream VN would feature the girl getting pregnant while being stolen from the protagonist by a futanari.

>>148898502
They meant that there's more than 2 genders you cisgendered enabler.lol

And sometimes trying to target everyone means that your vn will appeal to no one.

>>148898502
Not that anon, but I really don't see females flocking in droves to my BxGxGxG game, no matter how I try. The story is neat and MC kind of cool, but even so...

>>148899147

I wouldn't play a game for the sole BxB route, mainly because it ends up beig lower quality, a joke, or even outright lacking in content when compared to the BxG ones.

True love '95 fooled me that way, ain't happening again.

This is the best evn release of the year so far.

https://vndb.org/v19456
NSFW

>>148899147
>BxGxGxG
Is it really a harem or are you toying with my heart and representing three routes with three G's?

>>148899376
I don't know what I expected to find. I'm feeling pretty stupid right now.

>>148899147
Not in droves, no, though there are a number of dedicated female VN fans who do play the BxG games. Most of the oldschool EVN devs do. That is, after all,how they got into the genre...

>>148899368
... and yes, stuff like that got annoying. I heard the one BxB route in No One But You was actually decent, though I haven't played it. I've heard that the two boy routes in Shira Oka are at least not THAT bad but not necessarily romantic either.

>>148899434
It has both possibilities, although the harem route is highly encouraged. Mainly because main heroine is mai waifu and I don't want her to be lonely.

What's the next game jam coming up?

Will Infellune's yuri kickstarter project turn out good? Will the text finally be readable?

>>148904589
>turn out
you think they'll finish something?

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>>148904850
This thread is full of ruskies, flips, krauts and tacos. In fact, I think you, my friend, are the only burguer here.

>>148905653
Tacos actually make games?

>>148905653
Did I miss something?

>>148906170
He is either retarded or making a pun off finish -> finnish.

>>148886894
>no cute girls
What is the point?

>>148907256
There's still some BL fans to please senpai.

>>148904589
It looked like a bunch of very cliche and melodramatic storylines. I hope whoever wrote the descriptions of the characters in the kickstarter isn't the project writer because they were not very well written.

>>148906152
I'd imagine that a yuri vn is full of tacos.

>>148907672
writing character intro boxes blows and i wouldnt judge anyone's vn by them

is there ever going to be a notable rival to Sekai Project? it seems no one is really close to their success level.

>>148908707
They already had rivals - JAST and Mangagamer. Not likely to have a lot of new ones since so many JP publishers seem keen to skip the middleman these days.

If you mean in terms of collecting more EVN sucker devs and skimming a portion of their income, probably also not because everyone else who publishes games doesn't want to be a sleaze.

>>148907850
>calling vaginas tacos
Why would anyone do this? It sounds gross.

>>148909454
why do EVN devs even feel the need to sign with them? do they really contribute that much to an easy fucking process like getting on Steam?

>>148909713
People keep coming in here and begging for help to find a publisher because they think that makes them look more Professional.

A few people are using Sekai to get help with funding, which makes sense.

>>148908458
Speak for yourself. Mine are perfect.
>George: The Hero. Has sex with all the other characters.
>Girl George: All the other characters. Available for anal, oral, paizuri and lotion play.

>>148909581
Because like a good vagina, the best ones all have crisp, cold lettuce in it.

>>148909581
That's what they are. Beef filled clamshells. Pink tacos. If they don't clean them often, cheese tacos.

When you're discussing how long a VN is, are you thinking about for a single playthrough or for all routes (all routes being defined as only including new content so that in a VN with two routes, route A would add one hour of playtime but route B would only add thirty minutes of playtime due to sharing the initial half hour with route A) ?

>>148910820
All routes.

>>148910820
Both are important when considering user satisfaction. You want to ensure users don't think they're 'done' in a really short period of time, which may require jumping up and down yelling 'HEY THERE ARE OTHER OUTCOMES' if it's possible to reach an ending in a short time

>>148911223
That's a good point.
Determining what is considered a "short" time seems pretty difficult though, especially when you take into account people's different reading speeds.

>>148907850
Oh, I thought tacos were referring to Mexicans.

>>148914104
The only evn with a Mexican lesbian that I can remember was Isabella from Roommates.

>>148914213
Excuse me, you identity erasing shithead, Isabella was pansexual.

>>148914586
This is why I'd rather make a game with clear, straight characters.

>>148909454
>everyone else who publishes games doesn't want to be a sleaze.
>JAST
>MG
>not sleazy

you lost me

>>148919280
DEVGRU-P?

Yuri vn where you cuck your neglectful father by seducing your stepmother when?

>>148920359
>wanting used goods esp ones touched by dad dick

>>148920359
Then you and your stepmother both fall for some Beaner dick who wants to marry you for that delicious green card.

>>148920359
>stepmother
Weak

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Since this place is pretty dead... can anyone tell me if this looks any good for a vn homepage?

>>148922579
Yeah, that looks pretty good.

Is the narration in your game from a third person's perspective or the MC's?

>>148922727
S-Shit, after posting it I realised there wasn't anywhere for story info. I guess I could place it above the download button. Thanks for liking it.

>>148922837
MC's. I feel it helps the reader connect with the MC more and reduces my opportunities to rely on prose (which is a big crutch for me).

What's your dream game that you want to make?
Do you have a timeline or plan for how you're going to get to the point where you are ready to make it?

>>148923618
>not making it already
fuckin' pleb.

>>148924061
BPO: Boy Pussy Overdrive is not something I can launch straight into. I need to do a fair few smaller projects before I'm ready to begin development of something like this.

>>148924147
You should always be developing your dream idea - leaving it till years later it's going to be something else or you'll just forget. You can still jot your ideas down whenever, you've no excuses.

>>148923618
Currently making it, but it started with ideas jotted down bit by bit until there was enough of it to be able to give myself a deadline.

Question about doing backgrounds: I know there's no "standard," but for 16:9 games, approximately what fraction of the image is going to be covered by the text box? A lot of JVNs seem to have really big text boxes that take up 1/3-1/4 of the screen, whereas some stuff like Katawa shoujo only takes up around 1/5.

>>148929347
Are you trying to make stock backgrounds or why are you asking?
No idea if there's a tendency big enough to be useful, but keep in mind that transparent text boxes are pretty common.

>>148923618
Currently making it. Yuri meta here I come.

>>148929347
I use at least 23% of the screen's height.

Make VN that celebrates heterosexuality?

>>148934336
How exactly?

>>148934506
set it in a brothel full of racists and crazies who would kill an homos duh

>>148934336
Does a VN with most of the multiple endings being based around "You are a broken fucking person, do not fall into the trap of falling in love with people because they are nice to you; you needy bitch" count?

>>148934640
That doesn't seem to be in a celebratory mood.

I was happy downloading Grisaia before it was official. Now I don't want to buy it but I also don't want to pirate it.

>>148934336
I know! A story about a bunch of gay college kids who realize they are actually straight, and were
only trying to be gay because it's cool and hip.
Market it as yuri/yaoi vn for ultimate butthurt

>>148935341
that's the plot of MTVs faking it

Am I far enough from the current year where ideas such as celebrating homogeneity, nationalism, white pride, heterosexuality are actually deemed revolutionary?

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I MODELLED A WHOLE ROCK FOR MY BG.

Mm congrats me, you're 0.001% of the way there!!

>>148934640
Is it based on personal experience?

>>148937852
パチパチパチパチ

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Posting progress.

>>148938327
das great mane

>>148938327
That's not the same artist that did the sprites or is it?

>>148938826
Cheers.
>>148938964
Yeah, it's not the same artist as the sprites.

>>148907256
>mostly
There are still cute girls.
I love cute girls as much as the next guy, but I personally can't write a story about just cute girls doing cute things.

>>148938327
I hereby crown you the savior of yuri to complement MLanon
highwayshit BTFO

>>148941705
Thanks, anon. I'll try my best to meet those expectations.
That CG has 4 variations, and the one I posted isn't even the gayest of them all.

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>>148942475
good GOD

>>148937863
Absolutely not.
My main character actually grows as a person and gains some perspective instead of just becoming bitter and hateful.

>>148919280
I was specifically not talking about Jast/MG in that second sentence, since I'd already covered them in the first one where I was talking about JVNs. They may sleaze but they aren't interested in picking up random baby EVNs.

>>148935713
sorry, Shadow, no one cares about your edge

>>148946553
I care, I'd play a redpilled vn

>>148947246
The Matrix is shitty VN.
>Abritrary choice at the beginning of the game that leads to a bad end or the intended route.
>MC is a boring Gary-Stu.
>Anime inspired story with dull western art style.
>Tries to be cyberpunk but is obsessed with its leather and PVC fetish.
>Creators are a pair of weeaboo hons.
Gaijin just can't make anything that's memorable.

>>148947931
>nuture

>>148948232
better than suturing them

if you suddenly became suspicious you might be an aspie, would you investigate it or ignore it as probably not relevant to your life anyway?

>>148952431
Only if people treat you differently all of a sudden.

>>148952431
It's not treatable so why would I care.

>>148956742

I played this and it was pretty good, but reading that the MC is genderless was a mindfuck. I saw them as a woman, but yeah, it never refers to them as either.

>The patreon business model is kind of terrible when it comes to actually incentivizing actually completing products.
>If anything it does the opposite and incentivizes procrastination since the money flow will end when the work is finally actually completed.

>Patreon makes people want to make sure they can keep cranking out updates, without them actually being substantial enough to actually complete the end product.
>And people still give them ridiculous amounts of money.

>>>/v/345552850
This certainly can be true, but if people don't feel like they're getting their money's worth and that the games don't seem to be progressing, then they can pull the plug. I've seen game dev patreons drop half their funding in a few months when they didn't release any vns in that timeframe.

>>148957163
Perhaps, but other games manage to keep going forever by constantly promising more features that they're 'working on' and using this ever-increasing scope as the excuse for why nothing's been released

Sure, SOMEDAY everyone may eventually get sick of it and leave, but damn, the amount of money they can have pulled in by that point

Of course, you don't have to set your patreon to a monthly funding model. You can base it to pay out only when you release something.

>go to sleep for the night
>check /evn/ thread, get caught up in a minute
>check /agdg/ thread, scroll through some, scroll bar didn't move, finally get to the end hours later
>there's a new /agdg/ thread with many posts on it linked at the end

The difference in population is staggering.

>>148957163
>game dev patreons drop half their funding in a few months when they didn't release any vns in that timeframe.

and I've seen game dev patreons make 30k+ per month for years doing nothing and even going backwards with progress.

>>148957383
They're probably nicer to hang out with than we are.

>>148957910
>depressionposting
>animeposting
>antianimeposting
>bashing some namefags or devs who "sold out"
>murky progress webms
>coding questions and answers
eh it's all the same shit

>>148957325
Patreon says that 80% or so of their creators charge monthly IIRC. Most evn patreons I've seen charge by the month as well. Razz and Taosym get over $450 a month and Alice in Dissonance and Winged Cloud make several thousand dollars a month.

actual vague progress - 3d texture tests for new and improved first-person-dungeon mode are going well, don't have any real art yet so it's all hideous placeholders

>>148958045
There's some of that, but many of the posts are pretty on point. There are lots of devs posting progress that you can follow, helpful advice is posted constantly, questions are nearly always answered in a helpful manner and quickly, and the discussions are mostly on topic. I understand some people are only seeing the bad, but it's easy to miss the good when you're in that kind of mindset. I left /agdg/ a couple of times due to that mindset. I keep coming back though, because there's nothing else like it anywhere.

>>148957910
Not really nicer, just more active.

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>>148960142
>they're friendly

My female MC wears a veil over her face, that when removed reveals a startling secret.It's John Cena!

>>148960142
What a cute spider.

>>148961035
bestest girl confirmed

>>148961035
Can't hide a body like that friend. Everyone would know.

>>148962724
She's in Muslim full body robes. She's a Muslim magical girl.

>>148963494
>Muslim magical girl
notto disu shitto agin

>>148963605
Hi JP, I loved your Brilliant Shadows review.

>>148964859
I don't see how getting bored of a maymay makes me JP.

>>148960447
colorful and furry friends!

>>148963494
As long as his biceps are still outside the outfit.

>>148965167
JP is the source of the meme. See his We Know the Devil review for details.

>>148965576
I didn't know, I'm sorry

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wait why is he "JP3" now? WHere did the first two go?

>>148966339
He's religious, so maybe he's been reborn again.

>>148966339
they're in jars in the closet

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>>148890123
I'm glad you find it useful.
Imagemaps are terrible for customization. Trying to move anything 1 pixel into any direction when using imagemaps is a pain.
I started my gui works with imagemaps, but quickly moved into the current approach (textbuttons, etc.)

>>148891473
I haven't updated my lemmasoft thread in over a year. I'm currently in the process of finishing up all my old projects, so I can open-up again sometime soon.
However, I'm not sure if I'll be reopening GUI commissions. Although they're a nice, refreshing change from time to time, whenever I get something extraordinary to make, I scratch my head over ren'py documentation and forums.
Nonetheless, if you have any questions, you can always drop me a message, even if my thread says "closed for 2015."

>>148971367
>bottle of p

p-piss?

>>148971367
Yeah, imagebuttons and the like are wonderful things. I could never go back to imagemaps except for very specific things.

>>148971931
Dirty mind!
>>148972027
I don't even use imagebuttons anymore, because that'd require adding labels to every button in photoshop. I just make textbuttons with background images, and work on the text formatting, outlines, etc. inside ren'py.
I think the most difficult part was building a framework and developing an efficient workflow for GUIs. And even though I already have a base upon which I can easily build GUIs, I still try to add new things each time I make something. For example - changing colours of the interface by the user (similar to pip-boy in fallout games). In theory it sounds easy, in practice - my lack of knowledge of ren'py makes it very difficult.

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Yo guys, which armor do you think looks best on this character?

>>148975039
jfc that is awful. i can't believe they didn't give him a keyblade

>>148975758
It's all just experimental fun. No need for that comment bro.

>>148975039
the armor lying on my bedroom floor

>>148975039
The one on the lower-left from the coloured one, where he also has a headband.

>>148976441
Thanks for the input! I'm really liking the headband too. Wasn't sure if it would work at first.

>>148975039
what gaym

>>148975039
Second from top left with the exposed shoulders (right?), or top right with the hood. Bottom left with the helmet could work too.

another ebi-hime game is out

>>148975039
This looks great. Did you make it? Can I hire you?

>>148978684
theres a surprise

>>148975039
I can't even really say because your "concept art" is a fucking mess, assuming that's what this is. You need to space each design out properly so people can clearly look at each one and decide, as this is it's a jumblefuck and there's too much shit in one place to even really tell.

>>148978684
She pushes one out every few months it feels like

>>148979332
t h i s

>>148978684
Is it decent?

what are some good artists for GUI design?

>>148979627
Is it lewd?

>>148981618
Why are you asking me?

>>148981685
He's too shy to ask the anon himself and would like you to relay the question.

>>148981685
because it seemed funny to me to link that question after 'decent'
like, indecent

... i'll get me coat

>>148978684
How long is it? Why that price?

>>148978206
No name yet, but it's in the ideas section on lem by the title astral.
>>148978370
Cheers for the input! It is indeed an exposed shoulder.
>>148979332
It's more doodle than proper concept art, it's all drawn on a single sheet of paper that's why it's packed. Just thought I'd post since thread was dead. You don't need to take it serious, it's more a case of what do you think looks coolest.
>>148978941
Thanks anon, though I still need to get stuff done for me

>>148983050

Ebi Hime tends to undervalue her work to a criminally degree.

>>148983407
And Sekai Project doesn't. So it's a valid question.

>>148983539

Devs have the final word on price, not Sekai.

>>148983539
Does Sekai Project give enough of a shit to even suggest a price?

why even bother selling a game for $3? not to mention sekai might be taking a cut.

>>148984267
I'm very poor, have no confidence in my creation, but I'd really like someone to buy it. Maybe they'll prefer my VN over a bigmac.

>>148984267
>why even bother selling a game for $3?
guesswork: because you're tired of priming your audience to expect you to give away all your work for free, but the game isn't long enough to charge a reasonable price for

>>148975039
Looks like if James Stokoe was the designer for Kingdom Hearts.
I don't like Kingdom Hearts but I do like James Stokoe so you come out ahead in the end.
I think either the full plate just to the right of the coloured one or the one on the very far left with the shield work the best. Simple and distinctive without being too overdesigned or bishi-bait.
Of course, it depends on what the character is for.

owari da

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>>148985121
>James Stokoe
Damn, that guys stuff is amazing. All those small details.
Thanks! I'm just experimenting with ideas at this stage. I'm hoping to do an inventory system with different armors so I'm seeing what works. He's a bit demonic too so exploring that side of his personality with it. I had to go for a shower but I'mma color these.

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>>148988504
How the fuck do you design so many different outfits on the fly? Do you use reference at all or do you just have a godly visual library or something? Words can't describe how jelly I am.

>>148989510
Well, you kinda just... doodle, like I say. i can tell you for a fact I would have never put his sword on his back if I hadn't had played Witcher 3. Bandana - solid snake. It's all about taking things you like and making something new I guess, sometimes you're gonna create absolute turd but that turd might just have an element for your next turd and the next, until it becomes a golden turd.

>>148964859
I was thinking about buying that game. It's gotten a lot of good reviews.

>>148993227
If you love diversity then it is the game for you. It also has a pretty decent story.

>>148993227
Don't buy it if you want to choose a love interest, freak out at rejection, or are triggered by the suggestion of impurity

>>148996495
So not recommended for /u/.

>>148996656
Nothing is recommended for /u/.

>tfw spent the whole day re-reading through the existing script to refresh myself, after a six-week break of not writing.
>Not enough time to actually get started writing anything new.
Tomorrow then.
At least I feel a bit more confident now that I've seen it with fresh eyes.

>>148996656
/u/ had to be dragged off the stage with a hook after ignoring the gong.

>>148996656
Good plot, interesting characters, nice art, wonderful voice acting, reasonable price... isn't about pure innocent girls doing pure innocent things. 0/10 It deserves no place on /u/.

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I quickly doodled some concept "art" for my semi-generic VN, I know the guy looks bland af but would you consider my art competent enough for a $7,99 game?

>>148999770
Do you have any finished art examples?

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>>149000079
Well, I did this one just to put down some ideas on paper, but it's finished, at least in comparison with the previous one.

(and yes, before you ask, the 3 heroines ARE anthropomorphic portrayals of Marxism, Nazism and ... whatever ideology your gun-toting, bible-thumping redneck subscribes to)

>>148999343
/u/ likes pure innocent girls doing lewd things, they just need to have never done them before

>>149000464
Stick with uncolored sketches for characters and background, make the game a joke, and charge $4.99 - your 'finished' product isn't up to snuf

>>149000543
Which is exactly why my first title is pandering to that.
The second one is where I'll be making them mad.

>>149000695
Kayfabe the game as having been entirely scribbled by a bored highschooler during history class, thus the subject matter

Maybe this thread deserve to die

>>149005901
But then where will I shitpost and procrastinate?

>>149006597
/vn/?

How make a VN in the current year+1?

>>149009884
You don't honestly, at least not here. I don't think anyone here has actually made any progress/finished anything in months.

>>149007814
I thought they hated our kind

>>149011959
be persistent and force them to accept your throbbing productivity

>>149010167
>I don't think anyone here has actually made any progress
I've posted progress for 3 consecutive threads now. It's often the only progress, but still.

>>149010167
Do you just not read the threads at all?

>>149012194
Who are you? MLanon, the loli guy, AA dev?

>>149012779
They're all the same person

>>149014872
That would help explain why we're always dead

Pls give me the strength to work on my game.

>>149019693
Our thread depends on it. No pressure.

https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13877&p=422525#p422525

Are they a master flaker of a musician?

>>149021108
I'm so confused. They said nobody hires them anymore, but they've been hired as recently as a month ago according to their thread? Dude, I've had a dry spell of two years.

>>149021890
I'll hire you for free, if you'd like?

>>149001090
Is it futa, girls realize they're straight, or guy NTRs the love interest?

>>148999343
>The love interest is a shapeshifter, which means she's really a man! The MC also kissed a guy in this game!

>>149022801
Are you demonicbagel?

>>149023790
Sounds a bit gay, nah that's not me. So, whadda ya say?

>>149021890
What do you do?

>>149029041
Art

>>149023914
Is it an adult game?

>>149029568
>Art
You know what you must do

>>149030529
NAME AND SHAME?

>>149030529
Rip off the nipple censors?

>>149030529
pics or gtfo

>>149030728
>>149030850
I'm tempted, but nothing good can come of it.

>>149031078
Just post something.

Pick one old thread from LSF WiP section and post it here.

>>149034320
>tfw everyone chooses their own dead project in the hopes someone sparks motivation and they'll actually do something

Old projects are a good source of cringe.

https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewforum.php?f=43

For starters.

>>149031078
You'd be surprised

>>149037596
Why?

>>149039936
If they're having trouble being hired/commissioned, the extraordinarily kind anons here would probably be able to tell them why in the nicest manner possible whether they like it or not

>>149003357
>other projects: Driftwood
wait is this the douche himself or someone from the team?

>>149012779
AA dev. Anytime I have progress to show I post here to keep the thread from dying.

>>149045119
If you were an AAA dev, then maybe we'd like you more

>>149045119
>>149045374
everytime

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Does this level pass for an evn background?

>>149047215
There is no such thing as standard level in evn scene anon.

Would a government style procurement, a.k.a lowest bidder wins, work when looking for an artist? Or are artists just so fucking full of hubris they'd rather have people come to them instead of looking for work by themselves?

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>>149047896
It'd work. If this is what you're looking for.
But you're not, aren't you? You entitled piece of shit and your thinly veiled bait.

>>149048127
Bait was not good enough. But for discussion's sake, how does one bring down the prices of AAA quality art in the EVN marketplace?

>>149048314
You don't. Prices never go down, that's the law of the market. The inflation is eternal. The prices will only get higher. If you're dissatisfied with them now, you might as well drop it now, because the next year they're going to get worse.

>>149048708
That's a load of bullshit, m8.

Is this why an observable chunk of artists lean to communism to protect their $$$?

>>149048314
that would take a period of NOBODY employing expensive artists, so good luck with that.

>>149049737
>Protect
That implies they have any. But, really, they're mostly liberals because they believe themselves to be as indispensable as doctors and engineers.

>>149050153
Actually, that would just mean no new EVNs with expensive artists. They just would put their art in other venues.

You need them, they do not need you. That is why they can charge so much. Because their personal skill is seen as valuable in your and other fields.

That only rquires increased competition in the premium art market, i.e. more very skilled artists. Most probably just a question of time.
Come on guys, it's basic fucking economics.

>>149050564
>But, really, they're mostly liberals because
...they're fucking artists? Almost every art field is dominated by left-wing people.

Sometimes it feels really lonely if you have right-wing or centrist opinions. I'm not even talking about red pilled, it's just ridiculously hard to hold a conversation that doesn't come with the idealistic bullshit rhetoric and that influences business deals more often than not.

>>149050807
>Come on guys, it's basic fucking economics.
You'd be amazed how little /evn/ knows about earning or keeping money, or any kind of business. It feels like babysitting whenever the discussion goes into artist/freelancer ethics.

>>149051001
Well, it shows. Last time I said you can negotiate prices with artists and they are usually ready for substantial rate drops in exchange for big amounts of steady work, I was looked at like some kind of exotic animal and several people straight-up went full denial.
Amusing, really, but also sad.

>>149051183
Yeah. Artists in general are scummy, but I imagine their lack of awareness of how this shit works encourages and enables most cases of scummy stuff.

/evn/ talking about business is like /v/ right now thinking Nintendo is finished because their stocks went down 12% after surging 90% last week.

>>149051338
> their lack of awareness of how this shit works encourages and enables most cases of scummy stuff.
So, if artists raise their prices and get more money and more people to hire them, they don't know how shit works?
Alright buddy

>>149053524
>their lack of awareness of how this shit
/evn/'s, not artists'. You misunderstood, but the subject wasn't as clear as it could have been.

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Progress?

>>149050807
art has a lot of pressure to charge "fair" prices. It's not as easy as supply - demand.

>>149054459
>art has a lot of pressure
What.
>It's not as easy as supply - demand.
Yes it is. When more skilled artists appear who are ready to work for less money, the others will have to either sit without/with less work or lower their prices as well. Some will be able to thrive on their popularity, reputation, and status, but that has nothing with the "fairness" of prices, it has everything to do with how hard they worked to establish a dedicated fanbase and a name for themselves. And even then, they will probably have to make a cut to their prices as well.

>>149054073
isn't that the game that got shit on lemma for being an 18+ game with under 18 characters?

>>149055134
Was too lazy to dig the thread for that but this is probably it.

>>149055134
JVNs can get away with it, so I don't see why evns can't. I guess this is why most evns in school setting are universities.

>>149056751
Because everyone always screams "underage girls, rapists, pedos!"
Even sakura vns with all the cowtits get called out for underage characters.

>>149057668
Apparently not in Russia.

>>149057793
Because Russia is a normal country, in comparison with prude USA.

We need an easy way to work with jap artists tbqh, that would drive prices down probably.

>>149055134
Lemma hates lolis? Fucking scum

>>149057793
What? We just got a new law that makes loli hentai illegal

>>149058071
Oh... well I'm just collaborating with coding lol, I probably won't have enough time to delve deep in the plot.

>>149057841
>Because Russia is a normal country
Hahahahahaha.
A law just passed in Russia that prohibits all content with characters that may be considered underage. It may even apply to grown women in school uniforms. Even in real porn.
Honestly, Russia is fucked on so many levels.

>>149058071
>easy way to work with jap artists tbqh
Either they learn English to a sufficient level or we learn Japanese. I don't see any other possibility.
And most Japanese artists don't know English like at all. Some don't want to work with gaijins in the first place.

>>149058185
good. fuck pedos.

>>149058474
>defending punishment for imaginary crimes
>not making distinctions between fantasy and reality
>supporting older women envious of their young rivals
Man, you are going full retard here.

Things that will keep /evn/ alive:
>Discussion about artists and their prices.
>Discussion about lolis.
>Lesbian stuff.
>Infel

Anything else? Been here for a good 15 hours now.

>>149058792
15 hours? I bet you've been tracing shit you scum artist.

>>149058792
Hi Tao.

>>149059152
Hi JP.

>>149058308
I worked with a Japanese artist once but she turned out to be a scum too. She was crazy hot tho, so I fapped to her pic in retaliation

>>149059308
>I worked with a Japanese artist once but she turned out to be a scum too.
Storytime? Name and shame?
We need something to keep the thread going.

>>149058982
No. Lol It's me Sheepstorm/D3 guy. I bump/lurk while I'm at work. Third-world IT guys have it easy you know?

>>149059376
Usual stuff, she delivered a few sprites and then disappeared

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>meanwhile, Japan has one of the lowest rape rates per capita in the world

>>149059308
>>149060030
>jerk off to an artist
>she leaves
heh

>>149060886
You got the timeline wrong

>>149059308
Post pic

What's a really niche fetish that I could make a ton of dosh making a vn about?

>>149060228
Only because they're too shame-driven to report it
I am sure someone has made that argument seriously, but I haven't actually looked into it myself.

>>149063121
consensual sex in the missionary position

>>149063121
Furry.

>>149063121
Are there any futa VNs on steam yet?

>>149063748
I don't think so. At this rate Dizzy Hearts will likely be first, unless another project pops up out of nowhere to NTR the honor.

>>149063681
Boring.

>>149063736
Not into that. The most I'd do is a werewolf guy with a muzzle.

>>149064008
at this rate dizzy hearts won't be finished until 2020, so I'm sure they have plenty of time to beat them to the punch

>>149064825
They've delayed Toko to make Dizzy Hearts priority number one after their space game is finished. Looks like they plan to finish Dizzy Hearts by some time next year.

>>149064995
So they delayed both games to work on the other...?

>>149067673
infinite wait loop

>>149067673
No. They'll finish their space game, then work on Dizzy Hearts. After that's released, then they'll work on Toko. I just assumed that next year would be their goal, since that's when they said that work on Toko would start up again.

>>149069054
They've said several things over time, many of which conflict. I assume they just work on the same timescale as all developers, "sooner or later in some order".

>>149069529
It's because they kept changing their focus. Toko chapter 0 coming out on Steam last year was out of nowhere. And Toko being delayed to next year so they can finish Dizzy Hearts first were unexpected announcements.

They plan to run an indiegogo for development funds, so they likely want to get their kickstarter game out so that people can't bring it up as a reason not to donate.

>>149069980
It's release is going to be such a shitfest. I can't wait.

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Started modelling motorbike for a BG. I'm aiming for a 2016 Harley Iron 833... but I don't have a lot of good ref images so it'll probably be pretty inaccurate! (I mean, I have good refs but on an assembled bike you can't see the chassis very clearly for example.)

>>149070290
spooky

>>149070268
Why? Because it was delayed so long? Or because you're expecting it not to live up to the hype and time taken to create it?

>>149070268
Futa on Steam is bound to get lots of press coverage.

>>149070290
What software are you using here?

Feels weird working for free with another volunteer when some devs Jew people left and right with multiple fund raisers, patreons and other shit. At some point they'll just stop paying.

Feels weird working for free with another volunteer when some devs Jew people left and right with multiple fund raisers, patreons and other shit. At some point they'll just stop paying.

>>149072558
>>149072557
no they wont

>>149072557
As long as people get their monies worth, or think the devs will deliver eventually, they'll keep paying. Look at what happened with Cloud Meadow and Breeding Season. The new game is up to almost $4,000 a month. Winged Cloud makes thousands a month on top of their Steam sales. Life isn't fair, just pander, and even then you still might not succeed.

>>149072402
Blender!

>>149072558
But will you ever stop being racist?

So is "Good EVN" an oxymoron?

>>149074729
What's this project about?

>>149076104
Wankery, unfortunately.

>Sweet Elite distinguishes itself from other games of the genre by offering a ethnically diverse cast of characters, dating and friendship options for characters of both genders and a variety of story and dialogue options.

how many different ways of saying "we're not like those other VNs teehee, buy our game silly goyim" can you come up with

>>149078481
As a reminder, being ethnically diverse does not make your game any less shit if it is shitty.

>>149079067
Aurora Borealis acted like a kinetic novel was revolutionary.

>>149079520
I'm fine with them saying they have an ethnically diverse cast because some people want that, but getting snotty about how that makes them better sucks, and failing to say anything actually INTERESTING about their game sucks harder.

"We have multiple kinds of love interests and you can make choices"

Great, you've reached baseline status as a dating sim. You don't get cookies for that.

It should be mandatory for all devs to read a book on marketing

My VN will include revolutionary character portraits called sprites that change expressions. These revolutionary sprites will appear in even more revolutionary illustrated event graphics called CG.

Is there a /evn/ where the cast is really ethnically diverse looking instead of just swapping skin colors conveniently?
>Inb4 blacksands

>>149082329
Highway Blossoms has some people with tanner skins.

>>149082329
That would require a more realistic art style, and enough skill to avoid sameface syndrome and make them look different.
So no.

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>>149082329

Or that gay thing in development has black men who don't look like dark white men

>>149082329
Coming out on Top.

Winter Wolves' Queen of Thieves has entered beta.

http://winterwolves.com/queenofthieves.htm

>>149082523
isn't 'exactly the same but slightly darker skin' exactly what he said he didn't want?

When's Winged Cloud's next vn coming out? I think starting with Dungeon they've begun to look better.

>>149078481
>friendship options
C'UCK

>>149093845
you hate the power of friendship?

>>149095464
no ero, no buy

>>149093845
You don't get it, friendship options are exactly what romance games need, especially the ones where picking a route means fixing their problems. It's a real bad feel knowing Girl A is suicidally depressed and trying to hold on, but you can only spend your time helping Girl B with her crippling self-worth issues and her horrible relationship with her family.

>>149096820
You can have friendship AND ero

>>149097257
The routes you described are depressing and I wouldn't play such a vn. I suspect that such vns wouldn't be very successful on Steam either.

>>149097497
>I suspect that such vns wouldn't be very successful on Steam either.
right no one would ever want to play a VN where you had to solve a girl's problems with your dick
that only describes... how many extremely popular VNs?

>>149097497
Secretly depressed or self loathing aren't exactly uncommon plot lines though.

>>149097942
They were talking about friendship routes, so no sex.

>>149099909
>solve a girl's problems with Jamal's dick

>>149100445
>uses cuck to insult others
>can't stop thinking about black men having sex with girls

>>149099909
so it's not okay to help a girl with her problems if you can't put it in?

>>149100984
I often think about black men having sex with girls. Don't you?

Are there ANY vns where you can be a black male protagonist getting all the booty?

>>149100986
You can, but I doubt most people would bother.

>>149100986
Why do you think women need your help? Aren't they strong and independent enough?

>>149101849
They're not women, they're fantasy sex objects. Keep the two straight.

>>149102251
>they're fantasy sex objects
not if there's no sex
see
back to the argument

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I could use a fantasy friend object..

>>149100445
Getting your best friend, who happens to be a girl, laid simulator.

ATTENTION:
Hi evey1 i am recruiting for my new VN: Bounce! Melon Paradox, it's about a new race of melons that come alive, suddenly taking to the streets to start violently bouncing and attacking people. We follow Dave, a mailman who has just delivered his last bit of post to an all-girls school and must now find a way to protect a class of girls from the bouncing melons. The melons are quickly taking over the city, will Dave and the girls of Poppadom's All Girl School make it out safely?

I am looking for artists and writers, please leave a sample of your work and a way to contact you. Thanks.

>>149105069
Do you have to microwave the melons?