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How fares your empire, /gsg/?

This day in history, July 12th:
1562 – Fray Diego de Landa, acting Bishop of Yucatán, burns the sacred books of the Maya.
1789 – In response to the dismissal of the French finance minister Jacques Necker, the radical journalist Camille Desmoulins gives a speech which results in the storming of the Bastille two days later.
1943 – German and Soviet forces engage in one of the largest armored engagements of all time.


>News
HOI4 DD17/06
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hoi4-dev-diary-june-17th-patch-1-1-red-ball-express.949237/

CK2 DD 13 - Warrior Women
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/crusader-kings-2-dd-13-pagans-advisors-and-warrior-women.955632/

>Random Country Picker
http://randomcountry.gbasood.net/

# Archive
https://mega.co.nz/#F!WZZFXDyT!yyb25ZuLdLs0B8vhoKS3LA

# Mods
>> READ THIS FIRST.
http://pastebin.com/cCdcev76

>>[HoI4] - More Music Mod
https://mega.nz/#F!v5wXURpJ!TvoBinBVQWJbaYJsluyoFA

>>[EU4] - Expensive Warfare Mod 1.0
http://pastebin.com/gThqFi54

>>[CK2 - 2.5.2] - After The End
https://github.com/notalbanian/postapoc

>>[V2] - Historical Project Mod 0.3.5.2 - 09/07/2016
http://pastebin.com/66gpxbKk

>>[V2] - Napoleon's Legacy v0.3.1.7
http://pastebin.com/sN1g69sr

>>[V2] Alternative Flag Pack V7
http://pastebin.com/PRQH8vcV

>>[V2] Many Houses Divided - v 0.0.1.1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jso7qa1c4ystej7/MHD.rar

>>[V2] - 7 Years v4.1
http://pastebin.com/fMCvXaAA

Old Thread >>148107031
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Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.
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>>148182518
Based
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>>148170772
Like which f am?
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Attempt #2
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>>148182776
Germany/UK
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Why the earlier start dates in ck2 suck so much?
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>>148182972
Non historical
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>>148182972
Why do you say so?
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What's a good eu4 nation to learn
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>>148183069
They always end up looking like shit
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>>148183185
Brandenburg
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>>148183185
France
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>>148182503
Best combat mods for ck2?
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What are some good strategy games set in the Colonial Americas I'm getting that urge right now.
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>>148183367
EU4
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>>148182518
Reminder that this pathetic autist who is the janitor deleted the other thread because it had DH in the infopic
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>>148183345
Does it even have combat specific mods?
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>>148183438
Sleep well baby
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>>148183441
I saw one tried to remake tactics or something. It was never finished
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>>148183438
OP here, I didn't delete the other thread and I'm not a janitor.
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>>148183441
Yeah, I don't know, I was hoping.
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>>148183441
HIP and the GoT mods come with duel-enhancing mods that add a duel proficiency stat to a bunch of traits and has fleshed out duels.
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Reminder to report and ignore shitposting when?
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>>148183531
Never heard of mods like that.

>>148183539
What's wrong with it anyway? Besides shattered retreat.
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>>148183534
I didn't reply to the OP? Use the correct infopic next time.
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>>148183638
But that's not really combat in the game sense
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Why did the other thread get deleted?
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>>148183863
because autism
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>>148183863
See >>148183438
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this isnt what I wanted

none of this is what I wanted

why is this happening?

I cant fix this, can i :(
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>>148183689
Too much rng, and I just really can't figure it out. Losing an even battle with better commanders doesn't make sense to me. Losing an even battle with a defensive advantage doesn't make sense to me either.
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>>148183863
A bunch of posts in the old thread also got deleted, so the mod author was probably from radical yugoslavia and got ip banned
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>>148183948
I thought the "R&I controlling /gsg/" conspiracy thing was a meme.
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>>148184019
I didn't get banned and I'm not part of those fucking groups.
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I fucking hate Burgundy.

I lost two wars to those smug cunts.

New plan: form Cromwellian Britain, take the rest of France, build colonial Empire, and then smash them in the 18th century.
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>>148184069
It's a conspiracy thing, see >>148175468
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>>148184069
Looks like it isnt anymore.
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>>148184157
>doesn't unify British Isles first
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this is disgusting

I am upset
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>>148184271
Gotta cuck France fast before they become unstoppable. Then Burgundy began slapping my shit, so I was focused on trying to contain them.

I've failed to contain them, so it's time to abandon my continental ambitions for now.

British Isles weren't united until 1704 IRL anyway.
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>>148184198
I'm friends with Cobraah on Steam. Should I just kill myself?
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Lads, how much will I suck at a gsgame if I'm coming from RTS like AOE2 and 3? Thinking about getting EU4 or HoI4
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>>148184198
How does HPM meming have anything to do with this?
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>>148184198
Yeah, the evidence is right in front of you and you still desperately defend your massive autism of wiping any thread that doesn't have the shitstain of your first post on it.
Fuck off you massive fucking sperg.
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Don't reply
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>>148184397
Nothing, thats just shitposter bullshit. The autist controlling the thread is true tho.
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don't you just love all the circlejerk drama

>>148184157
also the saturation on this map almost hurts my eyes, that England is absurd
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>>148184375
Everyone sucks while they learn so I don't know.
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>>148184739
My monitor has meh contrast.
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>>148184375
only thing AoEII and EU4 have in common is their historical setting, so you'll suck at the beginning

plus AoIII is all about micro, while GS games have a much more broad focus
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>>148183957
No you can't
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>>148184157
Nice Ireland
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>>148184628
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Been playing my Latin Empire CK2 convert for about 100 years with a focus on ensuring a stable Catholic Jerusalem. France rival'd me earlier and I've been fixing their cancer the past decade or so.

How's Europe?
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im going to play eu4 again after like... 2 years? i hope i have fun.....
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>>148186153
Like shit
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Am I doing this right?
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>>148186153
what's that between poland and the luxembourgish abomination
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what's the perfect template in HOI4?
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>>148186372
fuck off adus
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>>148186446
all cav
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>>148184812
True.
>>148184915
Right, that's what I was thinking. Just wondering if there were any real parallels. Thanks
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>>148186390
Looks like Greater Poland from the screenshot?
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>>148186372
I like it please do more
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>>148187684
Here's Germany
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Anyone playing HoI IV or am I the only one ;_;
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>>148187870
SOO GROßß
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>>148186153
for a conversion game? not bad
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>>148186390

When I converted to CK2 most of the Kingdoms had vassals which were stronger than them and so civil war broke out nearly everywhere. Poland was hit the hardest, but after I reunited Hungary into a proper ally, the Hungarians are helping the Poles do the same.
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>>148188362
>not converting straight to Vicky 2 and skipping EUIV

Big mistake
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>>148187896
I have a love/hate relationship with it. I am trying to figure out the operands to limit what the AI builds so we don't have thousands of divisions slowing everything down. Countries such as Russia and China should have a lot of cheap divisions, but most everyone else should be limited to what their industry can support.

It will probably be about two months until Paradox releases the next patch, so it might be time to go on to something else.
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>>148188485

I just bought it since I'm tired of CK2. Heard some good things, was I mislead?

I stayed away from III because it was very confusing and at the time I sucked at grand strategy.
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For some reason my christion army is flying the flag of ISIS. Is this some weird bug in HiP?
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>>148183689
that's why, it was never finished
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>>148188708
no, actually you are modern day France.
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Why isn't anyone signing up to be slaves?
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>>148188708
it is a bug

do not worry
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>>148187870
>the Eurasian seas have been filled in
NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL

GROß
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>>148188708
It is a swedish game after all
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>>148188642
You were mislead.

It has lots of nice features, and is accessible, but the AI isn't there, fully-fleshed out countries aren't there, and the whole thing slows down to a crawl before it is all over.
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Tell me about Germany, why is it go gross
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>>148189382
Merkel needs more room to import Turks
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>>148189382
Germany must be groß
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>>148186372
fyi actual P*les unironically want to go past le Oder-Neisse into Brandenburg and the rest of Pomerania
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>>148189575
because they want to revive Wendish """culture""" and create another Slavic state in North East Germania
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>>148189575
1939 Germany+Danzig+Alsace+Luxembourg+south tyrol is perfect imo
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>>148189575
I'd rather germany be under polish control than keep being destroyed more every day by its current leadership teebeehech
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>>148188485
What needs to happen is for divisions in the field to require upkeep. Currently the only barrier is manpower and that is a brickwall, but if things took supplies to maintain, fuel to run, or even just took a constant attrition modifier then eventually you would run into a soft cap where your industry simply can't keep up maintaining your army, let alone expanding it.

Also AI don't ever disband divisions so run into problems when they do run out of manpower.
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>>148189208
There's historical precedent.
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>>148189804
+Poland+Schleswig+Lothringen is perfect imo
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>>148189804
Germany+the planet is perfect.
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>>148190571
Germany-Germany is perfect.
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>>148182776
>>148182928
Also requesting, and adding Japan, the Netherlands, and the Iberian nations
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>>148189287


Patches will fix this I hope
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Find a flaw.
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>>148191183
It's not everything in existence.
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>>148191183
Germany exists.
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>>148191351
t. blobber
>>148191362
t. pole
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>>148191183
Not enough planets for Turks to settle.
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>>148191183
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>>148191405
You mean German
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Want to roleplay as a comfy Turkish nation where some young Ataturk comes to power during the Oriental Crisis, slowly turning it into a modernized, technologically advanced diplomatic powerhorse and keeping up as a secular republic until fascism gets invented. What should my borders look like before I go fascist? Should I keep Albania and Bosnia, maybe even Bulgaria? Is taking Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan acceptable as I'd be a secular republic? What about the Middle East, just let Egypt keep the Levant and fuck it if some European power grabs it? Where should our border lie then, Adana, Aleppo or Lebanon + Syria? And what do I do with Lybia?
Also thinking about colonizing Djibouti, Madagascar and some Asian regions but I'm not so sure about that.
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>build economy
>most of my soldiers are infantry
>invest into what I have instead of building new shit
>industry too occupied upgrading to build new shit anyway
>axis gets shit on land and airplanes ain't shit if I overrun the airfields
>turns out I need them to land invade Japan
>after occupying Hokkaido, glorious army of comrade Trotsky was stuck there for 2 years as I researched and built airbases and radar there
It's okay. I can wait.

>Communist States of America declares USSR and socialism a threat to humanity
>declares war on UK
Communist shitposter - Earl Browder
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>>148191205
radical
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What's the go-to CK2 mod these days? Still HIP?
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>>148192368
>playing meneth's SJW mod
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>>148191142
>game delayed for over a year
>hopefully it will be fixed in a year
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>>148192392
Literally no problem with that.
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>>148192002
wew
my only suggestion is to b gro b
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>>148192392
How is it SJW? What are the current alternatives? I have not played CK in a long time. I miss the good old days when there was no choice necessary because CK2+ was a plainly better version of the base game.
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>>148192573
He's just a memeing lad, lad, don't worry about it.
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>>148192573
It's made by Meneth, he completely infected it
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>>148192002
Lads pls
>>148192565
After fascism is invented, yeah.
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>try to add flags to hoy
>game errors on start saying that the flags don't exist
THEY'RE RIGHT THERE YOU STUPID FUCKING SHIT
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>[V2] - Legacy of Slovenia v1.01*°
http://pastebin.com/72Yhqm5i

>>[V2] - unHPM v1.5*°
http://pastebin.com/zK3YrpNx

>>[V2] - Robmod v2.5*
http://pastebin.com/MHswMhZi

>>[V2] - Visegradmod v3.2
http://pastebin.com/C8swKB9t

>>[V2] Liquor and Bureaucrats Mod 1.2*°
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ r1s3v3z0d17ctya/liquornbureaucrats.rar

>> Updated Waggle Pastebin*
http://pastebin.com/33A7wXdB

* The R&I will sperg out if you download this
° Alex da Silveira and his Grandi Youth will harass you if you download this

Don't let the Grandi Youth shut your concerns about the mod.
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>>148189219
>>148189013
How dare you insult me like that.

Side note it feels pretty good when after all the demon possessed characters, I am the greatest warrior out there
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>>148192002
Ottomemes is one of the most fun nations to blob like hell as
But seeing as you're looking to be secular Turkey I would recommend holding onto your European holdings (historically Bosnia and Albanian were very loyal and valuable territories for the Ottomans), taking Greece, and setting up puppets in the levant
Definitely take Georgia and shit
Colonizing Madagascar is acceptable as literally any nation in the game
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>Release Moldova to lose my cores in Bessarabia and gain the support of Romania
>Changeowner the place to Romania
>Romania declares war on the turks
>Ottos are allied with Germany
>Nope.exe
>Romania loses and is forced to release Moldova
>Turks immediately lose the alliance with Germany

I hate my allies sometimes..
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>>148193494
>A possessed, homosexual, gluttonous etc bishop is the world's best military strategist
There's a joke in here somewhere
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>>148193494
Mediterranean occitanian empire WHEN
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Whats the difference between MishMashMapMod and INVMMMM?
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>>148193549
>Colonizing Madagascar is acceptable as literally any nation in the game
United States of America.
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>>148193627
How did you become a constitutional monarchy so quickly? Let Jacobins take over?
I lasted until the end of the game with only 2 or 3 political reforms apart from the event reforms.
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>>148193712
>Ronaldo
>White
oh lord
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>>148193712
what video game
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>>148192006
all Trotski's fault
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>>148193712
you posted it again! wow!
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How big should KleinVenedig be?
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>>148194627
So big you have to name it Grossvenedig.
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>>148193854
Yes I let rebels wins. I kind of cheated because they spawned in Poland, so I pretended the tzar had a change of mind or something and used the console to break the country. Losing 50 prestige and 50 WE was painful though.

But that rebellion was followed by 700k jacobins that managed to siege the capital, I managed to unsiege it quickly, so I suppose that counts.
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>>148192504
Well, the did fix everything about HOI3, right?
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>>148194841
All of Colombia it is.

Elsewhere on the continent...
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>>148182972
steppenwolf tier cultures and borders after like 100 years
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I'm trying to form Poland by Krakow and Austria keeps declaring imperial restorations
Why does Austria keep declaring imperial restoration war and how do I stop it?
http://imgur.com/a/V2GrT
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>45 MA
>trying to convert maronite (32 MA) province
>extremely skilled imam
is hip fucking broken or something?
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>>148195391
They get an event about a revolt in Krakow that usually gives them a conquest CB
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Does Nationalist Spain actually ever join the Axis? I've never had a game where they join in the fighting.
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>>148195645
it happened before tho
maybe it's the swiss culture minimod idk
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>>148195691
Yes, I've played about a dozen games, and I don't think that they have ever remained neutral. Sometimes they have been a useless distraction, answering the call of arms after Berlin has fallen, but if the Fascists win, they are Axis.
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>>148193793
Pls
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>>148195835
I don't think you understand.
HPM has an event about a Polish revolt in Krakow, and if Russia accedes Austria gets a conquest CB. Russia almost always gives Austria the go ahead.
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>>148196171
If you don't join the revolt though nothing happens
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>>148196171
I get the imperial restoration cb not the conquest one
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>>148193793
>>148196162
no idea what you're talking about
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>>148193774
One of my goals is to hold Sicily and Spain for this game. Well to drive out the Muslims either with or without Spaniard lords
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>>148196667
I fucking hate this meme CB, makes playing Czechoslovakia super annoying unless you're allied with Prussia. Their pops will fucking die and Prussia will be shit for the whole game.
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>>148195691
>>148195924
Yeah. I've seen it happen damn near every time. It's really annoying that the AI doesn't take into account the current warscore when determining whether ot join or not.
>Italy has capitulated
>Germany has capitulated
>Japan is 50% to capitulation
>Spain Joins
>Finish out Japan, 50% to Spanish capituation
>Venezuela, Romania, Bulgaria Join.
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What's the best Vicky II Mod that adds to it without changing all the mechanics?
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Alright guys, I have 4 heavy bomber wings in mmy current game, all equipped with unfucked He 177 Heavy Bombers. Also, it's July of 1941. Posy yfw.
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>>148197056
New Nations Mod only changes the map and adds some events, if you want to be more vanilla than HPM.
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>>148196913
next time HPM come on, I'll tell him it's a meme
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>>148197226
HPM already said he wants to remove it, but he needs to redo the whole greater germany and austrian cores shit to do it
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Almost done unifying India. Getting the last bit of it in the north is going to be a pain in the ass, though, since it's all unified under Rajastan. Truces are a bitch.
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>>148197138
yfw
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>>148197138
Pic related is Europe in my game.
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>>148197514
This is actually going pretty well, though, all things considered.
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>>148197562
>scotland still doesn't own the northern isles
>northern ireland is still part of the uk
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>>148197672
how are you converting them that fast? any clue what I can do about >>148195531?
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>>148197674
I've given them to the Scots, but they give them to the Brits in exchange for relations.
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>>148197138
>mfw Germany will never develop a decent strategic bomber
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>>148197930
Fuck off Bomber Harris.
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>>148197770
My moral authority is 100% because of how frequently I'm winning holy wars and how often my vassals are converting provinces for me.

Each province conversion is +1 to MA, each holy war is +3.

Furthermore, because I've been so thoroughly crushing the Hindus, their moral authority is in single-digits.

I also control three holy sites (I made a mini-mod to rearrange a couple of holy sites, including putting some of Nestorianism's in southern India because of the journeys of Saint Thomas the Apostle).

The end result is that my Court Chaplain has about a 20 to 35 percent chance of converting a county in any given year.
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>>148197875
so ally/invade and puppet the irish and give it to them
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>>148197930
Fuck off Bomber Harris.
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>>148198045
They are already are my puppet. The problem is that the mod doesn't put Scottish claims on these provinces.
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>>148197223
Thank you.
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>>148197930
Danke Bomber Harris
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>>148197514
You still have a lot of time yet. You could do it in a 100 years tops
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>>148198131
you misunderstand
ally the irish or puppet the irish
get them in the axis somehow
give them northern ireland
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>>148197930
Go neck yourself Bomber Harris.

>>148198164
t. cuckold
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>>148198010
>>148198125
>>148198314
>it's a butthurt kraut samefags episode
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>>148198270
Ah ha! I got it!
I swear I didn't c***t
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>>148198010
>>148198125
>>148198314
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>>148198384
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>>148198460
Is that fucking Goebbels to the right?!
I fucking knew he was bad news! BRB, gotta change my will.
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>>148198037
I just remember being able to convert sunni provinces fairly easy before in past playthroughs, but since I updated HIP, the conversion rate seems like it's 10 times less than it was.
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>>148198552
cancer
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What's up with the black faces? Is there any file I can change so that it shows everything normally?

Anyway, my actual question concerns the army minister trait Infantry.
Does that apply to all infantry units, including motorized, mechanized, marine, mountaineer and paratroopers?
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>>148198562
at least I have great luck
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What is the best WW1 game?

>inb4 darkest meme
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What mod to make and inevitably ditch, EU3+++ or Civilization Universalis?
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First time playing east asia in EU4

All I did was fund 1 set of seperatists and invade to enfore their demands - Ming completely collapsed

Was Ming gonna implode already or did I cause it?
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>>148199393
EU4 with Extended Timeline
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>>148197930
do it again Bomber Harris
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>>148199572
China at any point and time may implode catastrophically
Its true historically and game wise as well
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>>148200531
>Russian niger
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If the Carolingians weren't retards who thought gavelkind was a good idea would Western Europe have become another Zhongguo?
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Rate my post WW2 world. I'm probably going to release puppets and shit too clean stuff up later (even though for some reason there is no ingame advantage to that)

Also, why the fuck is it so easy to end the second world war this early?
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>>148199393

Commander: The Great War
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>>148199393
what game is this
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>>148201001
Victoria 2 with the Ultimate mod
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>>148199973
there are literally seperatists spawning in countries spawned by seperatists
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Arumba seems less whiny now.
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>>148201304
No it isn't lad come on
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>mfw waiting for MEIOU&Taxes 2.0 to be released

Should I play a game in Japan or China? Both regions have been drastically improved in 2.0 and I have a thing for Sinic exploration and colonization.
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>>148201001
Boku no Bismarck
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>>148201498
A WW1 turn-based strategy, To End All Wars I believe.
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>>148201426
Because now he can't bitch about mean youtube comments
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>>148201640
delet this
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>>148201640
thank you kind stranger
>>148201751
delete your account
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>>148201643
This is not real, right?
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Ok, I just steamrolled Cuckistan and Norway. Who else should get some sauerkraut shoved up their ass?
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>>148202019
Nobody.

Just lay back, relax, and let America deliver excessive amounts of freedom on your shitty country.
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>>148201965
It couldn't be more real my lad
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>>148202275
I love this Arumba meme
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In hoi4 is their a way to end alliances after the war? I won the world war but now want to conquer my allies and there doesn't seem to be an option for it.
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>>148202192
t. burger
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>>148200690
It is, if the US doesn't join the war.
USSR has a lot of troops, but they are weak as fuck.
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>>148202501
press the dismantle faction button while at peace
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>>148202572
Is there anyway to do something like this in HOI3?
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>>148202572
It's grayed out and I'm at peace. There doesn't seem to be anyone in my factions that is at war either.
>>
>Service by requirement has -1.0% education efficiency
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>>148202957
>falling for the steelmod meme
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>>148202957
Makes sense
You now have to juggle education witj required miltary service. Which would disrupt a lot
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>>148202957
>gets everyone to go the army
>they don't go to schools or universities
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>>148203117
except you can learn and be educated a lot in the military, it's a fucking retarded thing to pit against each other
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>>148203117
>implying military service and education are not one at the same
>what are military schools
>>
>1870
>Prussia loses a war terribly, loses all prestige and military, industrialization greatly damaged

>1890
>Germany has formed, taken Bavaria, is now second only to GB

wew lad
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>>148203556
what are you talking about lad
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>>148203556
no one's actually trying to drive out HPM you faggot
What's wrong with a little memeing
>>
>>148203201
>>148203261
Not in the 19th century lads and we are talking about conscription, not military schools or academia
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>>148203775
Yes, you are

There's proof of what you're trying to do on the steamgroup page
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>>148203802
Yeah, my grandfather always told me about how the military marched through his elementary school during nap hour and picked him to serve in the army. Really cut into his ability to learn to read.
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>>148203802
No it's like Switzerland in 20 fucking 16 my lad
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>>148203556
Are you retarded, how is Arumba related to HPM

>inb4 you post a pic of proving an Arumbaposter is from a steamgruppe
There isn't a single Arumbaposter, there are many of us
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>>148203927
Kind of related, when I was at the hospital maybe about a month ago I met this really old German dude. Apparently his brother was drafted just before the fall of Berlin.

Some German officers came to the school, the principal held a short speech, and then they marched off to fight the Russians just a few miles away.

His brother was 16 at that time, and died just days after being drafted.
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>>148203181
>do your mandatory service
>army pays for your education afterwards
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>>148203927
No lad, when the main guy earning money is your poor peasant farmer they can't afford to send the boys who could be working the fields the luxury of going to school
Shit sometimes they drafted boys as young as 14, the concept of childhood was only developed during the era
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>>148204168
haunting
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>>148204298
That's how it works now
>>
Quick, I need names to assign to several German light cruisers that were just launched.
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>>148204413
SS 9/11
SS Was
SS Ani Side
SS Job
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>>148204552
Serious names only.
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>>148204664
SS Lekleinreich
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>>148204821
>SS
>not KMS
kys
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>>148204413
Light Cruisers of the Kriegsmarine

>Prefix: KMS (Kriegsmarine Schiff)
>Theme: Major City Names
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Germany_by_population
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>>148204982
Thanks fammmalam, I'll save the bigger city names for Battleships.
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>Cynical
>The Pious

What can you expect from the

>Holy
>Roman
>Empire
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>>148205071
Name one GroBWilly
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>>148205140
fpbp. Will do, buddy. I'll name my first H-43 class battleship that.
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Yo, lads. I'm a EU4-noob looking for my next strategy game. What would recommend me?
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>>148205071
Battleships of the Kriegsmarine

>Prefix: KMS (Kriegsmarine Schiff)
>Theme: Chancellors of Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Germans#Chancellors_of_Germany_1871.E2.80.931945
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>>148205265
Ooh, I like what you're doing here. Make posts for Heavy cruisers, battlecruisers, light carriers, and aircraft carriers.
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>>148205253
The Last Federation.
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>>148204312
Fuck off back to your steamgruppe
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I probably won't be able to get the achievement, but at least I had fun
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>>148205705
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>>148205774
I don't understand
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Why did Arumba shut off comments? I checked on his channel again and saw comments were disabled. I remember him getting autistic over me correcting the way he pronounced Chalcedonian.
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>>148205921
Fezzan Corridors
You need 90% trade power in Tunis, Timbuktu, Katsina, and Safi.
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>>148205995
I meant the other part
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>>148205935
He had a complete meltdown after people memed on him in the comments and he started taking antidepressants.
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>>148204312
kek
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>>148205935
Got trolled too much and started getting anxiety attacks and incontinence. The cost of depends were starting to outpace his youtube revenue.
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>>148206023
The first 100 years were fun because I had to try to survive and expand instead of just picking stomping blacks. Fighting off the Portuguese invasion was fun, too.
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>>148206067
>He had a complete meltdown
When did this happen? Is it on video?
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>>148206223
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a24Uvc7JiYU
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Gotta love playing those demonspawn characters.

Always a bit of a ride, that.
>>
Are there any good CK2 mods? I've genuinely never played anything but vanilla.
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>>148207328
A Game of Thrones
After the End
When The World Stopped Making Sense
HIP
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>>148205386
Aircraft Carriers of the Kriegsmarine

>Prefix: KMS (Kriegsmarine Schiff)
>Theme: German Administrative Divisions (Exception: KMS Adolf Hitler after namesake's death)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Greater_German_Reich_NS_Administration_1944.png
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>>148205995
>Fezzan Corridors

is this just a coincidence or has some cunt in Paradox etched in a reference
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>>148182503
>1943 – German and Soviet forces engage in one of the largest armored engagements of all time.
You could probably mention it was at Kursk
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>>148206386
Goddamn, memes ruin lives

>>148208447
Stellaris is filled with LotGH references from ship names to leader and starzone names, god bless whoever the rogue weeb working at paracocks is.
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>>148208647
>rogue weeb
Wiz and Podcat are known weebs.

>You make a sci-fi game.
>Put sci-fi references.
>from anime, not from books or actual good sci-fi.
>>
Musselman GO HOME
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>>148208720
Podcat is based
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>>148208069

Thanks anon, will give them a whirl. (I still hate Conclave)
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>>148186372
Here's the other one in hopes that the OC of these will show themselves
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Sometimes I REALLY HATE THE AI in CK2. Instead of usurping this kingdom my son in law with gavel kind inheritance decides to create his own kingdom instead. Reason why I am a bit butt hurt is that the he is married maternal so his hier will be of my dynasty and I dont wont my dynasty to be weak
>>
Is Stellaris even remotely playable yet or am I gonna have to wait for like another five fucking years of dlc first? I just want to bring enlightenment to the galaxy as fanatic materialist cephalopods but paradox is harshing my mellow with its shit game
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>playing as PRC, doing well, United Front with Natty China
>after a long fight NC capitulates
>game makes me capitulate as well, despite being strongest of the two and having 90+ % victory points under my control
>0 score, last place

I'm taking a break to bomb whatever barn Paracux operate out of
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>>148182518
acquire a friend
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What's more patrician, playing as the UK in V2 and never releasing any colony, or releasing as many as you can through events?
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r8
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Feel pretty bad about putting this guy on the throne of Sicily Family first
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>>148211484
Your Main Four are the only acceptable dominions.

Canada, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.

Remember, Dominion does not mean Independent.
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>>148211582
gib malvinas
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>>148211773
>South Africa
Fuck off eternal Anglo
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Do you think Johan would enjoy LotGH?
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oh me lads
OH me OOOOOH tell me what I will tell ytou what. IN TIME.
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>>148211857
Hows Mbupe's cock taste mate?
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>>148211857
We'll give you Southern Rhodesia and Namibia if you stay with us.

Southern Mozambique if you really push, if you make English your secondary language in education.
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>>148211951
>English
>secondary language

why do we have to appease these murderous boer brutes
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>>148211738
Dam now I feel kinda bad disposing of their old monarch. Despite being a paranoid coward, she has wage many holy wars and is kind.

But she is still a women, so thats a no go
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]\\dkd that already get deleted?
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>>148211939
>>148211951
ANGLOS OUT REEEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG45P7xcv08
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>tfw slowly getting kukt off the continent
I'm platinum mad.

I've been at war constantly since 1615 with either France or Burgundy, had the English Civil War, TWO colonial rebellions, and Irish adventures.

I have had 0 manpower for the entire time.

France has reclaimed almost all their European holdings from me and Burgundy launches periodic invasions. But now? Now comes my revenge.

First to India, for manpower, and then straight to Paris and Bourgogne.
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>>148212165
treeeeedit
>>
mah name

is flabba wabba jabba nonga noongar
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>>148212236
oy'm back
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>>148194927
>the tzar had a change of mind or something

holy shit lmao
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>>148191183
memel is not owned by lithuania

finland does not exist

america does not exist dog blas
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Just discovered Asia, where should I establish protectorates/colonies?

>>148212180
God speed.

>>148210717
Also would still appreciate more maps like this wherever they are
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>>148212468
estbslitj a colyuiny in my aeugnis
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>tfw the blood purity of the UK is being destroyed
>tfw white people here used to be descended largely from hunter gatherers who arrived 13,000 years ago
>tfw now we have tonnes of eastern euros and non-whites here

empire was a mistake
normans were a mistake

we need to be like japan and shoot anyone who washes up on our shores, they're all wogs past calais
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>>148212737
bloo bloo bloo

Go post some more frogs that oughta help
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>>148212835
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>keep getting random events all game about Ireland despite wiping them out decades ago
>figure it's bugged
>finally find this
Ireland-in-exile.
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>>148202379
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>>148212737
Should've never fell for the colonization meme lad
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>>148212883
Saving britain one frog at a time.

You're a legend
>>
Is mare nostrum and the cossacks worth it? I forgot to get them during the summer sale
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>>148213541
Colonization was great, problem was the Europeans got pussified after two world wars, and never finished the job
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>>148211869
Yes
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Why isn't Antarctica included in any paradox games?

>tfw you will never get to use the coastline for submarine bases in hoi4 without extensive modding
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>>148214854
Pangea gsg when?
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>>148215306
>>148152190
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>>148208240
>not themed after aviation pioneers, wwi aces , etc
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>>148215626
who is this semen demon?
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DO IT FOR RHODES.
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>>148216527
Why are you allowed to colonize this much of africa in 1698

Do you know how fucking unfeasible that is for so many reasons
>>
>>148217018
>Why are you allowed to colonize this much of africa in 1698
Because Paradox is fucking retarded.

>Do you know how fucking unfeasible that is for so many reasons
I'm fully aware.
>>
>>148217018
realism is not a meaningful argument
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>>148217053
twiz
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The Fuck France Alliance has been reborn from the ashes, stronger now and more determined than ever.

He finna gonna do it.
>>
It's been a few months

Are distant worlds or hearts of iron 4 worth playing yet?
>>
>>148217206
Yes
>>
>>148217206
Hearts of Iron 4 will never be worth playing. Its biggest problems are AI related, and modders can't fix that.
>>
As germany how many military factories should i have by 1939 in HOI4? Currently sitting at 122
>>
>>148216527
>>148217018
>conquer 70% of africa in eu4
>convert to v2
>own most of africa including all the coastline so no one can colonize
wew
>>
>>148217323
Nah, you run the decolonizer in the converter, which reverts Africa back to being a Dark Continent.
>>
>>148217192
>Great Britain
>still trying to have continental holdings
WEW
>>
>>148217465
In my opinion English continental ambitions are still valid and not blobbing so long as there are English or British cores on the continent.
>>
>>148214019
Anyone?
>>
>>148217256
what'd they do to fix distant worlds?
>>
>>148217669
Yeah they're definitely worth it.
>>
>>148217206
>>148217793
why play distant worlds when you can stellaris???
>>
>>148217292
At least six million.
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>>148217793
They fixed it
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The French are for _______
>>
>>148217206
No to both
>>
how do i make my pops move to the colonies as the netherlands? i already tried closing all factories but it didnt work.
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>>148218043
stop being bad
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>Be tiny tim
>Fight my way into north india
>Beat all opponents
>Get 5/5/5 heir
>gets killed immediately
>Horde unity gone to shit
>No manpower
>In incredible debt
>No religious unity
>Just need 2 provinces for the ride to end
>One is owned by the most powerful nation in northern india
>Military tech is behind everyone elses

Please help
>>
>>148218043
short answer: you don't

long answer: get it early, increase liferating at every opportunity, encourage immigration (lel), colonial migration techs, genocide if you can, then pray and hope to get lucky
>>
>>148218043
You don't really have enough pops to be able to get even a small minority in colonies.
>>
>>148210971
please respond
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>>148219502
In South Africa perhaps. You can also get Boers as accepted culture in HPM which is breddy gud
>>
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i think i went too hard on conscription tbqh senpai its only Jan. 1939
Germany stronk
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>>148219190
Its coming
>>
>>148217018
It is a vanilla setting to 'own' wasteland that you surround the majority of.
>>
Who do I play if I want to be the Holy Roman Empire in CKII? Lombardi?
>>
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>>148220304
The dream is over, my nation is being ripped apart by rebellion. I won the civil war but now the separatists are popping up everywhere and my vassals are disloyal, and I am backrupt so my armys now have no moral.
>>
Want to get into /gsg/ type stuff, where can I download EU3 pls
>>
>>148221428
Archive fool
>>
>>148221928
lel, read the OP three times looking and missed it every time
>>
lads what happened to general changes mod
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lol! thanks for the believable world, johan! :D
>>
Do I need a fresh install to get HPM working?
>>
>>148222574
>boohoo I can't blob into Denmark because I'm bad this is all Paradox's fault
>>
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>>148222849
Hmmmmm really makes you think...
>>
>>148223615
We did it reddit
>>
>>148222574
>the Papal Italy
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>>148223680
Thanks for the upboat, brudda... keep it real 0_0'' *brofits*
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>>148183957
>neo-Ottoman Empire

Bravo Johan, excellent game :^)
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>>148210717
>>148212468
I'll do Italy next, don't worry. Maybe even 2 coming tonight.
t. did both of those.
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Are these the ultimate games to play with your girlfriend?
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>>148223914
You should put these in an album or somewhere.
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>>148183957
Nah, just uninstall the game like everyone else did here after realizing how much broken and incomplete the game was.
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>>148223917
your what?
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Playing as a horselord and I never expected it to be this comfy
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>>148220264
>only ~1.6 mil men in the field
>in 1939
Remember lad, realism isn't an argument
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>>148223736
brofit :DDD
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If your Germany doesn't include Northern Italy, it's not a real Germany
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>>148211582
>le no Cyprus and no claims in the Antartica faec
Also are Hong Kong, Malta and Singapore in it? Can't see them desu
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>>148224516
>
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>>148224516
That's one grosse Germania
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>>148224776
>Consecrated
>Augustan
>Dominion
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Can I be actual black Africans in CKII or is it all Arabic Muslims?
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How many divisions will i need as germany to successfully pull off Barborossa?
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>>148223615
How to get so good at trading? I've always financial problems.
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>>148224978
You can play as mali or ethiopia/nubia
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>>148224978
>Can I be actual black Africans in CKII
You can play as Egyptians, yes
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>>148225119
It is Crusader KINGS after all.
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>>148224978
you can but johan insisted all africans get a -10 modifier to all their stats as well as the ugly trait by default
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>>148224978
West Africa and Ethiopia are in the game.
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>>148225038
Just play the game more and you'll get the hang of it, it's a pain in the ass to explain but it's really easy. Take Trading ideas and use fucktonnes of light ships basically.
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>>148225098
>>148225252
What's the most favorable year to start in for Ethiopia?
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>>148225291
First, thanks for your help, bro.
I've already played quit a bit (~150h) and I still never had more than ~ 1000 gold cash. Is there something special I have to pay attention to? How do trade routes work?
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>>148221994
I AXED U A QUESTION, LADS
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>>148222682
Read the readme
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>>148225332
There's a jew there in the earliest start so go for memes.
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>>148224982
probably around 7, at most
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>>148225487
Modder quit.
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>>148225476
There's a trade map-mode, if you screw around with it open for a bit it'll show you how trade flows. Before I used that I had a bit of trouble as well.

Light ships, trade ideas, and having not horribly placed merchants is about it.
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>>148225653
What would be a horrible place to put my merchants? I always have one in the place I have the most power (except for the place my capital is in, I don't know why but it seems to collect money anyway) and one in the nearest spot that has the most money.
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>>148206858
Quick question to anyone that knows.
When does Lombard culture flip to Italian and does Lombardy change to Italy if a non-lombard gets the title?
I did a Charlememe start and I'm sick of seeing Lombardy on my map.
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>>148225183
Based Johan is based
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Everyday I wake up and remember we will never have EvW I want to kill myself
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>>148225810
The capital automatically collects. Put your merchants in nearby provinces that are connected to your capital province and transfer, don't collect for the most part there's an insanely huge negative modifier for collecting anywhere but your trade home province.
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>>148226062
Okay, I'll try that. Thank you.
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>>148208069
Those are all shit. CK2+ is the only good one
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>>148226501
CK2+ is dogshit.
The best way to play CK2 is vanilla.
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Remember when Genghis Khan burned down the library of Alexandria?
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>>148226536
t. Wiz...or actually I don't know who the fuck is this retarded, because mods are part of how they advertise the game.
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>>148226501
I liked HIP and AtE desu
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>>148226725
>Please buy our broken game and fix it with mods

Yeah I don't think they actually advertise like that.
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>>148226861
if bethesda can i don't know why they wouldn't
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>>148208069
Warhammer never updated after 2.4.5 so if you hate Conclave...

>>148226861
Yeah well, it's a huge fucking part of their replay value and therefore a huge part of their DLC sales.

>>148226793
AtE is shit tho
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>>148226914
Bethesda is just incompetent. They THINK their games are great when in reality they require mods to be playable.
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>>148189382
It's a groß country
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>>148226983
True. Nobody buys Skyrim to play it without mods.
>that fucking official mod platform
>le console mods
>paid mods will be imminent
Kill me
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>>148227101
I couldn't play Oblivion without mods. The leveling system alone made the game unplayable vanilla.
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>>148221285
I remember a game as England where I was recreating the British Empire. By 1780s I was conquering the Indians, and the Oirats started conquering all of Northern India. They already controlled a huge territory inside the Steppes that spanned from Eastern Ukraine to Kamchatka, it was some sort of a new Mongol empire.. But they had very backwards technology, so I formed a big coalition and kicked their as with the help of my greatest ally the Timurids. We drove them back to the heart of the Steppes, where their empire fell and they lost almost all their provinces. Bretty ebin to be honest.
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how do I migrate in CK2? I want to start a game as a steppe nigga in Mongolia but finish it somewhere in Western Europe. I know the obvious answer is by conquering but I'm shit at that.
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>>148212293
Just ignore the console cheat. Pretend that the 700k jacobin rebellion was the one that changed Russia.
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>>148227184
>Timurids
>1780s

How?
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>>148227138
There's literally no way to play TES games without mods.
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>When Poland-Lithuania doesn't form
Ahhhh..... the sweet releif of a groß muscoviumsreicumz....
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>>148225537
Oh god he's the king of Semen.

What should my grand plan be here now? I feel like conquering my neighbors could be a bit difficult, and I don't know how to play this game too well.
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>>148228092
>don't know how to play this game too well
Shit bail out, go play as Harald Fairhair in the Old Gods start or Irish Counts in the Stamford start. WE WUZ CHOSEN INSEMINATION PEOPLEZ is anything but easy.
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Is there a way to stop France allying with Piedmont in HPM or will the Plombieres meme always trigger ?
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>>148228170
Alright then.

How good do I need to get to make a holy kingdom for the Jewish people? Is that guy the only Jewish king at the start of the game?
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>>148228513
Yes.
>being a niggaboo
>being a jewfag
To be honest, use the character creator and just create a jew wherever you like. Just be careful not to start fuckmassive because that can get boring quickly.
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>>148228513
become a spymaster in England
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>>148228170
What should I do as Ireman? I chose Dublhinn.
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>>148175468
RADICAL YUGOSLAVIA IS NOT THE STEEMGRUPPE
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>>148228513
>>148228513
you need to atleast be master of the basics I guess.
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>>148229321
Honestly just play the game and expand normally. Don't wage war too early, marry your kids for alliances, the whole nine yards.
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>>148230481
>too early
Define too early.

I changed started a new game because I decided I wanted to be Osraige instead, and I want to take over Laigin.
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>>148230787
...who
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>>148228758
Start a jew republic on the rise of the hansa bookmark
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>>148231083
>rise of Hansa bookmark
>literally 200 years before the game dies
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>>148230830
Ireland you putz
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>>148231234
Nigga forgive me for not knowing a literally who cares count.
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>>148231293
>literally who cares count
>all of Ireland described in 4 word
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>>148231346
Yeah but I'd recognize Connacht at least.
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I just looked up for some ideas to what nation I should play next in VIC2. And opted for Italy. Now I've noticed that most people tend to start as Sardinia-Piedmont and not Sicily to unite Italy. In my game (HPM) Sicily is a way stronger starting nation on almost everything (aside of prestige). Also it's far away from big bullies like france or Austria. Does anyone know why Sardinia-Piedmont is so favored by ppl?
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>>148231775
Because you should just play prussia like a non special snowflake
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It's crazy to think how differently WW2 could have gone had the americans and the allies not absurdly lucked out with their carriers at pearl harbour, at midway, and with the recovering of enigma
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>>148231775
Sardinia-Piemont was the one that unified Italy historically. They're in a much better position to do so, they're more industrialized and have a better educated population.
Small North Italian states that drift away from Austria join SP. They also have events to attack Austria together with France, in exchange for Savoy, as happened historically.

All those things put them in a much better position to become a GP, Two Sicilies are larger, but they're poor, dumb and rural. You'll have to fight Austria and SP if you want to be the dominant Italian power.
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>>148231775
They can form Italy faster via events/decision I think
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>>148232385
The japs were doomed no matter what.
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>>148227986
How? I always get a fucking triple alliance of poland, lithuania and sweden on me.
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am i retarded or is there no tax map in eu4 anymore
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>>148232919
You mean the basetax map? You haven't played for a while?
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Hey does anyone know if the mongols are broken in CK2plus? I've tried making them appear naturally and manually, but i've only gotten the event that simply warns me that they are coming.
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Is there a retard's guide infograph to HoI4 yet in terms of building the best types of divisions/planes etc.
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>>148233845
Build nothing but armour and then invade the Kuwait region for infinite oil.
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>>148232385
Pearl Harbor + Midway was irrelevant, the USA was producing more (and more advanced) aircraft carriers in 6 months than Japan produced for the whole war.

Enigma is harder to gauge but the Brits ended up cracking several different versions of it. The Germans were so screwed intelligence-wise that its unlikely that losing the original Enigma would have set them back substantially.
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>>148233956
t. Hussein
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it's a miracle that i havent had my shit stomped yet
>ally with egypt
>60+ opinion
>they help the caliph anyway
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>>148233037
>You haven't played for a while?
nope, since before cossacks i think
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>Mfw the only game Arumba can play is EU4
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>>148234915
He can't play EU4 though.

How many times has he failed to achieve the BBB?
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>>148232385
PH and Midway were immaterial, Japan simply didn't have the sustainability or industrial power to go at it for long but the US was too big to take down quickly. It's a glass cannon using their ult right at the beginning against a stone wall that gets buffs for every tick he's still alive.
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>>148234915
>implying he can play EU4
Didn't he fail as fucking England once? Doesn't he play vanilla like a uberpleb?
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>arumba
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>>148235902
Did...did he just fucking fail against France as Germany?

>Italy lost Italia
>switzerland took sides
Ever time
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>>148236048
He conquered France. He then autistically zoomed in to ground level to direct the war in yugoslavia for like 6 months, during which time the allies naval invaded.

It's a testament to how shitty the HoI4 AI is that he was still able to recover from this.
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>>148236218
Did he pat himself on the back too
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>win battle after battle
>have to keep swatting down every group of 500 or so men or they will consolidate into a doom stack
>no time to occupy anything so i cant ransom prisoners to pay for mercs
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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>>148236431
Is that a fucking Islamic Kingdom of Jerusalem
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>>148236503
no it's custom
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The conquest of India continues to proceed smoothly.

Truces continue to be a bitch, however. And Punjab managed to assimilate northern Afghanistan into their kingdom's dejure land before I conquered all of Indian Punjab, so now I'll have to go beyond India to get that Kingdom title.
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>>148236787
Religious conversion is also proceeding swimmingly. Jainism is almost extinct, and Hinduism isn't far behind.
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>>148236431
they just keep coming
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>>148236962
And while I haven't intentionally been aiming for it, culture spread is also going pretty crazy.
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Alright lads I feel like playing some CK2, did they release a new DLC after Conclave that I have to pirate?
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>>148236962
I honestly want to see an AAR run without any sort of weight on religion besides how useful it may be for governance. A fedora run, so to speak.
Just getting tired of all these missionary / le deus vult xD plays, I appreciate it once in a while but it feels like there's nothing else.
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>>148237123
I've also gone full-imperial with my laws. Should make absorbing the rest of the subcontinent a bit easier.
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>>148236787
>>148236962
>>148237123
>tamil
You disgust me
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hi lads, this is a stupid question but I downloaded EU4 from the archive on mega, but now it's a .zip, how do I get it to be playable? thanks
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>>148237569
unzip it
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>>148237569
You buy the game on Steam.
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>>148237569
proof that people interested in grand strategy games are not necessarily smart
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How can I optimize this template?

Should I have not thrown in tank destroyers?
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Can someone please tell me what the appeal of Crusader Kings II is? It looks really interesting and fun but i've never been able to have fun with it and i feel like i'm playing it wrong.
I mean, i play as some random empire or king, i improve relations with the people that hate me, build buildings and attempt to have children and prepare for war. I go to war and usually i lose even though i'd have number advantages or suffer attrition while the enemy doesnt.

Help me /gsg/
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>>148237294
What would you have me be, then, if not Tamil? Hindustani or Oriya, perhaps?

Or would you rather I be a non-Indian? In which case, how the fuck am I supposed to get war elephants?
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>>148237858
Because he's a baiting retard.

>>148237136
AARnon, I'm also interested in this
Would it be possible to do your next AAR as a house who cares very little for religious differences and isn't Christian (since Abrahamic religions are literally by definition 'no I'm right you're wrong')? That or seeing very little difference in other religions compared to your own, something along the lines of "God is just the sum total of all of our deities / just another name for our God"?
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HOW THE FUCK DO I BARBAROSSA
I HAVE 250 DIVISIONS ON THE RUSSIAN BORDER AND YET IM LOSING EVERY BORDER
I EVEN HAVE FUCKING AIR SUPERIORITY
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simply epicc :3
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>>148238346
Basically you just ___________ G i t ___________ G u d ___________
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>>148238115
p l e a s e
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>>148238695
Don't play a king or emperor, start as a count
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>>148238346
What year do you generally go to war?

I literally beat the USSR in 1939 with roughly 120 divisions. It started as 80 divisions when I began the invasion. Mind you this was solo - I didn't even bother calling Turkey into the war when I could have because I wanted to make sure I could annex all of the USSR.

Also this game requires no micro managing as a great power whatsoever. My first game I just created a border, placed an offensive line somewhere past the urals, and then sat and watched.
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>>148238103
son what is this
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>>148238217
So, let's see. No Abrahamics, so that excludes the Catholics, Orthodoxes, Muslims and Coptics. No emphasis on the significance of the religion's spread, so no Zunists or Zoroastrians (since those runs are invariably about re-establishing the religion and throwing off the Muslim yoke).

So that leaves the European Pagans, the West African Pagans, the Indians and the Tengriists. And of course the Jews.

Actually, Judaism would lend itself well to a run like this.
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>>148238807
I GO FOR THE USSR AFTER I TAKE THE UK/FRANCE
SO 1941
BUT THE SOVIETS JUST FUCK ME OVER, AND I ALWAYS RUN OUT OF SUPPLY DESPITE STILL NEEDING MORE MEN TO FIGHT ON THE FRONT
GOD IM MAD
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>>148238792
This, I never had fun as one of the big guys, but sometimes it's fun to just scrap by as a count or duke
And never savescum, you'll just remove all the challenges. The real experience is in losing, winning is boring.
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>>148238842
>using NATO icons
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>>148238792
I've heard this before, why?
Are there significant advantages to playing a count/duke/dependent? And is there literally any point to playing actual rulers?
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>>148238857
>Jews
>caring little about religious differences
>>
Just as a heads-up for those who might be waiting for me to start today, I'll be beginning a bit late. I have a doctor's appointment in a little under an hour and I'm not quite sure how long it'll be. I'll probably be beginning in about 2 hours, but it might be as long as 3 depending on what they want to do.

No, I'm not going the way of Boto. I'm fine.

>>148237136
>>148238217
Probably not (at least not anytime soon), if for no other reason than that I don't plan to do another AAR for about a year following this one, if I ever do another again. I'm not going to have time come September to do one, and it usually takes me about a month to recover once I finish.

That said, keep in mind that the current AAR is all about traits. So far we've had a bunch of zealots, but if we get someone who's cynical, or even someone who simply isn't zealous and has reason to mess with religion, we'll see something different out of them.
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>>148238910
Maybe after the great purge the soviets are way stronger than when I usually fight them. Low supply happens but it never really affects anything. I still destroy them. I'm only playing on medium difficulty though so maybe I'm a pussy.
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>>148238857
No well
You could always play as a Christian that has some VERY heretical beliefs.
I mean think of it this way - God is the only God and there are no other Gods. Other gods are worshipped, therefore those other gods are simply facets of God. Pretty simple to extend if highly unorthodox.
Ofc this only applies to your first (cynical) character, after that Zealous ones probably don't think this way.

>>148239142
>if I ever do another again
L-lad ;_;
please do one more after the China DLC
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>>148231775
Italy as anything other than Papal States is gay as fuck.
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>>148239009
As he said >>148238940 it's more fun to start small and slowly expand, if you already start at the top there's not much to do unless your dynasty collapses or you lose power
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I'm trying to play the company mod from the mega archive, but Vic2 crashes whenever I try to select an unit as one of the company countries; anyone know to help?
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>>148239426
Papal states even existing is gay as fuck by mid-Vicky, the entire point was nobody cared about the Pope's authority anymore
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>>148238910
forget it, wait until the game is fixed in two years like every other game they release
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fucking finally
8 YEARS
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>>148239329
Sorry anon, I can't promise anything. I'm beginning a long-term career in September, and I can't really promise I'll have time in the next decade, to be honest, to do anything like this again. I might be able to do some REALLY slow-paced and long-term AARs over next summer or future summers, but unless something goes extremely wrong, I'm never going to have free time like this again in my life.
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>>148240152
I'll miss you AARnon, you're the best writer of AARs I've seen yet
;_;
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What's the point of Opel when you already start with Motorized Divisions? Does it affect Mechanized too?
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>>148239329
>>148240152
>>148240337
>wanting china dlc
>le epic roleplaying "aar"
>praising the filth that belongs on reddit
I quit this place half a year ago and upon returning, realise I made the right decision all those months ago.
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>>148183367
Sid Meiers colonization.
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>>148240629
What the fuck is the point of playing these games if not to roleplay? Blobbing?
Literally doing anything besides that is some form of roleplay besides border autism, but even border autism is only relevant in the context of blobbing and roleplay.
>wanting China DLC
It's inevitable, not a matter of wanting it or not.
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>>148238346
>>148238910
Holy shit lad how can you be this bad at the game. Invading Soviets is easy af, the only difficult part of the game is overcoming your boredom long enough to figure out how to invade the British Isles and America.
>>
has anyone written a comprehensive post as to why v2 is so loved compared to paradox's other GS games
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>>148240772
if you don't blob you need to get the fuck out of this board called "VIDEO GAME generals' because you're not playing a video game, you're playing a game.
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>>148241215
t. Arumba
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>>148241083
/gsg/ loves muh pops, anti"""blobbing""" mechanics, and the economy in the game for some ungodly reason.
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>>148240772
>What the fuck is the point of playing these games if not to roleplay? Blobbing?
There's "I'd better not colonise the sahara, it's not economically viable" roleplay and "my wife died so I killed myself from stress ecks dee" roleplay. The latter is reddit tier.

>It's inevitable, not a matter of wanting it or not.
So is your eventual death, yet you haven't killed yourself. Yet.
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>>148240152
You are gonna be missed. You really bring the spark to this dumpster
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>>148241367
hello r/atheism
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>>148241495
Hello /gsg/
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>>148241083
Personally always enjoyed CK2 more. Victoria II is fun until 100000000000000000000000 communists show up despite all reforms being pushed through (or because of it actually) or until the market crashes permanently. POPs are cool though.

>>148241367
The first is for EU where you play as an entire nation, the second makes sense (kind of) for CK because you play as a single person.
Killing yourself from stress only makes sense imo if you're depressed and get more shit happening to you.
Plus the first is more of a min-max optimization thing if it's not economically viable, actual roleplay would be attacking Holland just because they're treacherous shits that broke your alliance and failed to help you in a war or they broke your Royal Marriage (implication being your sister comes home teary-eyed or some shit)

>So is your eventual death, yet you haven't killed yourself. Yet.
Right, but I didn't say "GIVE ME CHINA", I said what to do once it comes out. It'd the equivalent of saying "once I die, do this for me" aka leaving a will and planning for the inevitable and trying to make the best of a turd.
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>>148241731
>The first is for EU where you play as an entire nation, the second makes sense (kind of) for CK because you play as a single person.
That's the thing though, in the game he didn't even get depressed or stressee from his wife dying, he doctored it for le roleplay. I wouldn't have minded had it bren cause and effect but he literally lied for roleplay.
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>>148240152
Understandable if you have to go once you've finished the campaign. Running AAR campaigns is pretty hard, especially if they're written in a narrative style.
t. Assyrianon
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>>148182503
can someone give me a download link for warcraft universalis?
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>>148242136
I think that's acceptable though, because CK2 is pretty bad at indicating how things are going and the level of love between the two isn't reflected by the game engine so obviously it didn't add Depressed.
Now if it was something like acting out in a fit of impulsive rage when he has patient or failing to respond to provocation when Wroth/Berserker, that's not okay.
Also the guy died 'of severe stress' naturally - you can't add reason for death with the `Kill command.
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>>148242501
I don't know. I'm just having a bad day. I feel like I'm fighting against reddit everywhere, even when I'm not. Their upbeat optimism and unrestricted praise for everything annoys me, I don't want this place to become that.
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>>148242791
That makes you like Reddit, who are always fighting against the /gsg/ boogeyman (or so I'm being lead to believe). Just relax and talk about whatever you want, no one is going to downvote you on a rice board.
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>>148242791
t. average /gsg/er
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>>148241083
Interesting Times: political upheaval of the 19th century, industrialization, first world war, colonialization, formation of all modern politic ideologies, republics vs monarchies, all in all relateable and still relevant things today

Economy: probably the only Paradox game that even tries to create a proper market system with demand and supply, industry and world prices (also the only game other than HOI that even needs one because the pre-modern world didn't have a global economy)

Populations: only Paradox game with populations that do more than just being mana for building troops. Actual complex interactions of politics, economy and the people (and their wellbeing). Actual relation between population demands and wellbeing and revolts/elections (workers that don't even get their basic needs will vote socialist or even join revolutionary revolts).

And I think overall VIC2 is just a great mix of Politics, Warfare and economics. All other games seem to lack this broader gameplay other than EU but that is always being a bit vargue about things because of it's incredible long time span. While other titles tend to specialize on one thing (HOI warfare, CK2 marrying lolis).
And aside from the gameplay VIC gives alot of material to role play in your mind for those who like to do that.
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>>148243042
yes but it is old and ugly
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>>148243042
>the pre-modern world didn't have a global economy
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>>148238910
You cannot beat the soviets unless you break the pact straight after killing france.

If you don't finish the war by 1940 they'll shit out 600 divisions and rek you desu lad.
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>>148243339
>the Chinese directly traded with the French in 1400
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>>148243479
>the Japanese starved because the British were more prestigious
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>>148243597
>moving the goalposts
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>>148243339
I'm pretty sure a chinese silk trader didn't know what the prices were once it arrived in egypt. He sells his silk for the average price in his country probably being unaware that it's being sold for 20x the price in europe. The point of a global economy is that it's self aware and respons to itself. A coconut merchant in Africa would adjust his price because a competitor in the carrabean is pushing the price down. (Of course not realy but big industry does that) Or the southern US states being rich because their products were sold to all over the world and they were literally 90% of the world provider of cotton.

>>148243278
It's not old and ugly is subjective. Go play the latest Assasins Creed if you want new and shiny in exchange for good gameplay (or HOI4).
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>>148243042
>all in all relateable and still relevant things today
This is the number one reason I like vicky. It feels like the modern day. You can go and subjugate foreign countries, like Iraq, or you can battle with another great power over influence of a nation, sudh as Brazil, using strategic investments in factories and railroads to boost uour chances of securing them.

As far as I'm concerned all you'd need to add to Vicky is the ability to fund insurgents like the Kurds, the rebels, Libyans and such and you'd have a perfect 2000+ simulator.
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>>148243896
>He sells his silk for the average price in his country
yeah
he totally doesn't charge anything extra for the trek
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Strong independent jewish republic or sneaky comploting bastard hiding behind an emperor?
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>>148243339
I'm pretty sure a chinese silk trader didn't know what the prices were once it arrived in egypt. He sells his silk for the average price in his country probably being unaware that it's being sold for 20x the price in europe. The point of a global economy is that it's self aware and respons to itself. A coconut merchant in Africa would adjust his price because a competitor in the carrabean is pushing the price down. (Of course not realy but big industry does that) Or the southern US states being rich because their products were sold to all over the world and they were literally 90% of the world provider of cotton.

>>148243278
It's not old and ugly is subjective. Go play the latest Assasins Creed if you want new and shiny in exchange for good gameplay (or HOI4).

>>148243907
>As far as I'm concerned all you'd need to add to Vicky is the ability to fund insurgents like the Kurds, the rebels, Libyans and such and you'd have a perfect 2000+ simulator.
I'd agree yea. I hope when/if paradox makes a VIC3 they make it even more complex and not more simplified (alà HOI4)
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>>148243278
>Released in 2010
>When video games had already more or less reached current graphical fidelity standards
>Looks and feels like it came out 2003 at the latest

Honestly it's just a case of Paradox being shit, not the game being "old," when Starcraft 2 came out only one month later.
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>>148243896
>>148244207
it is ancient and it is very ugly, i will enjoy hoi4 thanks
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>>148244207
>I hope when/if paradox makes a VIC3 they make it even more complex and not more simplified (alà HOI4)
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>>148244385
>>148244314
I actually like the look of the map. Anyways there are mods out there. Of course a hoi4 map would be nice - but comon it's a map painter. You already play with numbers and colors like some autist - I don't see a reason to complain about not enough eye candy.
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>>148243636
I'm not him though, I'm just pointing out a glaring hole in the 'global economy', especially because Vicky-era didn't have truly global trading either.
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>>148244557
>HoI IV
>good looking map
What the fuck? Victoria II and to a lesser extent HoI III had the best mapstyles of Paradox games so far, they;re fancy enough to accommodate graphical stuff if you want while not having the hideous 3D clay bullshit and being clean to look at.
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>>148244784
pffttt don't bullshit kid, everyone knows hoi4 looks the best
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>a global economy means ethiopian farmers sell their wheat to the local villagers at the exact same price as an American who gets his shipped over to London
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>>148244557
>>148244784
I really despise HoI4's map and feel anyone who likes it is a massive faggot who just wants pointless graphics for the sake of pointless graphics. Why do the country colours randomly get dsrker around the border? There's literally no reason for it, it's graphics shoved in for the sake of graphics and it makes it look busy and cluttered.
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New meme if dubs
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>>148244784
>>148245132
I totaly agree. What I meant with "hoi 4" style map is the modernity of it. I don't like the hoi4 map itself. But the engine model is realy good. The weather looks great the water is nice. Most of the landmass is a mixed bag.
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>>148245132
>it makes it look busy and cluttered.
shut the fuck up. a darker color on the edge of a large chunk of lighter color doesn't look "cluttered" you retarded piece of shit.
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>>148245132
It could be worse. Didn't they want to have no color to countries at all, and instead just display the terrain map and borders?
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>>148245218
>on /vg/
lad, i...
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>>148245218
>oh wow, epic rap battles of history? Haha, this'll be really cool and have to do with history and shit
>gordon ramsey vs julia child

Tell me lads, is there any greater cancer than "infotainment"?
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>>148245132
The worst part is those facebook game-tier icons for everything

>>148245428
calm down johan
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>>148245132
I'll agree with you about the thick dark borders, they make the map look like it was colored with crayola markers.
Other than that though I like the map's style, I like old colors and it's definitely a step up from EU4 where half the nations in the world are the same shade of green, or ck2 where every nation in a region are all the same color based on their dejure kingdom.
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>>148245387
I don't see what the hell you mean by modernity. What's wrong with the flat colored maps of old, it's clear and conveys information.
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>>148245454
He was going for that sweet 00.
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Hey I was playing PDM and guess what I saw for immigration reforms?

Does HPM take things from other mods? If so why did it take him so long to implement it?
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>>148245454
>5454
That counts as dubs right lads?
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>>148245428
But it does, even that screenshot is modded. What the fuck is wrong with clean, flat colors on a flat map? Why the fucking political overlay over terrain, what was wrong with my normal political map? Why the disgusting pastel clay map?
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>>148245802
>horse factory mod
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>>148245878
i only play it for the economy and the concert of europe mini mod
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>>148245992

>horse economy
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>>148245802
Literally "Hello, I'm new" the post
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>>148246038
>liquor/steel based economy
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>>148246173

>the only alternative to horsemod is grandimod
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>>148246173
>blood and iron
>liquor and steel
makes sense to me tbg senpai
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>>148246131
nah I've been here since 2 Christmases ago. I know there's a ton of NNM and PDM stuff in the mod already. I'm just wondering why he is slowly putting in the reforms from PDM.
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>>148238103
>het.jpg
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>>148246364
Literally false quote
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>>148246641
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck#Misattributed
don't see it there me lad
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>>148246352
why is it a bad thing to have horses in the came as a export/import? You think Cavalry comes from thin air? PDM has slightly more in depth events such as the Oriental Crisis and the American Civil,minimods that expand the timeline such as Concert of Europe, and a better economy. There is literally nor reason not play it unless you hate the way the map looks.
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>>148246823
we play HPM because it's our home product
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>>148246823
Hating on PDM has been a meme for a while lad
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>>148247079
HPM isn't even historically accurate. The mod may claim to be so but with all the extra stuff from vanilla that is yet to be removed it is still ends up ahistorical outcomes which turns me of the mod.
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>>148247079
t. reddit
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>>148247521
t. paradox plaza false flagger
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>>148245802
That's not actually true though, PDM's reforms don't do shit, especially the immigration ones, and the whole reform layout is different.

Unless you are arguing that he stole "ideas" from PDM, though border policy isn't really an exclusive idea from PDM.

Even if you want to argue that HPM took something from PDM, PDM is credit in HPM, as is NNM, since he uses parts of both as a base.

Hope that helped clear stuff for you.
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>>148247653
>he
lol
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>>148245454
>talks about no dubs
>gets 5454
>at 19:54
Ebin
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Exactly what triggers the American Civil War?
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>>148247804
niggers
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>>148247874
nice
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>>148247874
haha bro sick
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>trying to get the whole world fascist achievement
>fucking Iraq and Iran join the axis
>they don't hold elections so boost popularity won't turn them fascist
>can't coup them because they're in my faction
>if boost popularity creates a civil war, I automatically side with the non-aligned country because it's in my faction
>can't leave faction because I'm faction leader
>can't dismantle faction because I'm not the only one in the faction
What the fuck is this bullshit
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>>148246823

I hate it because it slows the game to a snails' pace
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>>148247804
The USA finally realizing it needs to get rid of slavery like the rest of the world.
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>alcohol ISN'T profitable
Why do the steamgroup think this?
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>>148248060
Continue to boost popularity, once Fascist is above 50% it should coup automatically
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>>148248060

>they don't hold elections so boost popularity won't turn them fascist

Are you retarded? They will gradually convert to fascism and then have a civil war or a coup.
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>>148246823
Why doesnt HPM simply look over PDM and copy over some things?

Why is Rhine crisis in HPM so shit, French basically provoke a major war and only get free humiliate belli over it. They should get cores up to Rheinland if they win the war.
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>>148248198
>if boost popularity creates a civil war, I automatically side with the non-aligned country because it's in my faction
>doesn't read
>calls other retarded
Retard
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>>148248279

nigger the game DOES NOT make you automatically side with countries in your faction

you can simply ignore their call to arms and then send elite volunteers to the fascist state and win the war in two weeks

Christ if you don't know shit about the game why are you even posting here?
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>>148248262
>not a single french living there
>wew why don't I get free cores in it
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>>148248481
I don't know shit about hoi4 and I post here
Fuck you
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>>148248481
>you can simply ignore their call to arms
Except the rest of the faction does not which at this point is nearly every country except those.
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>>148248513
talex

>>148248262
HPM plays Prussia in multiplayer
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>>148248262
>They should get cores up to Rheinland if they win the war.
Hello Rob
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>>148248513
>being uneducated swine
French owned that land from 1795 to 1815.
Whole crisis literally started because French prime minister claimed they should reinstate 1795 borders.

But wait my bad, you see...French prime minister said that just to humiliate Prussia and got his ass handed to him in 1870,right?
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>>148248262
>lets give them cores on a region with less than 1% french pops
Thats just retarded
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>>148248880
>im Rob because i know history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Basel
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>>148248885
>you occupy a piece of land for 20 years
>no french people living there
>different government from the one that occupied the place
>some random ass minister in france says something
>I should get free cores there

Doesn't make any sense lad, cores aren't there to represent what random french ministers think borders should be
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>>148249025

America gets cores on regions with less than 1% yankee pops

this is an autistic argument
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>>148242336
It is difficult, especially keeping interest up over long periods. It's actually easier with this one, but I was dying at the end of the Vic2 AAR.

If you are actually Assyrianon you inspired me to do the Nappy AAR senpai.
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Reminder that PDM's Oriental Crisis is better than HPM's
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>>148249038
>annexing a region should automagically give you cores there
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>>148249025
>>148248513
>Poland
>Finland
>Manifest Destiny
>>148249108
Well it basically pitted Germans vs French for next 150 years.
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>>148249108
>You haven't occupy a peice of land
>No one of your people there
>Different country from the one that occupied the place
>Some random ass minister in your country says something
>Somehow I have cores in there
Hello argentina
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>>148249195
It actually is desu
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>>148189208
>seas
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>>148249108
What about Manchuria and Russia?
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>>148249359
>>148249195
Actually, PDM's oriental crisis is the same thing as NNM oriental crisis which in turn is the basically the same thing as HPM oriental crisis.

So PDM oriental crisis is as good as NNM which is as good as HPM.
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>>148249126
>>148249496
i-it's different because it doesn't affect germany :^)
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>>148249126
>>148249337
I don't even know if are these posts shitposts or are neo /gsg/ers are this retarded anymore
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>>148249630
Same
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>>148249630
Same
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>>148249630
>>148249681
>>148249731

post an argument anytime
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>>148249630
>>148249787

>Not an argument
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>mfw you can form Arabia but cannot manifest destiny original French claim that actually happened 30 years ago
If you go full Napoleon again and win, why not allow it?
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>>148249038
Should Austria get cores on Serbia if they conquer it?
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>>148249873

who are you quoting?
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>>148249630
They are just redditors
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>>148247989
anyone else here hate racism? upvote if you agree lol
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>>148249898
But you can, nothing is stopping you.
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>>148250002
(You)
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>>148249332
>Well it basically pitted Germans vs French for next 150 years.
That's A-L.

>manifest destiny
Completely different. Sparsely populated area that had yankee living there ended in a claim.

Honestly if you use the "I should conquer and get cores there look at this completely unrelated thing that happened so I should be able to do it too" argument then you could justify getting free cores anywhere.

>>148249337
Historical colonization claims. Not even remotely similar.

>>148249496
They got people there. Russian settlers moved there, that's the basis of the russian claims. Shit Russia did this all the time, even in Central Asia. Besides, China was fair game.
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How hard is it to conquer all of Italy as the Pope ?
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>>148249126
America gets cores on fucking empty desert, so it's not as bad.

>>148249496
Russia gets decisions to ethnically cleanse Primorye of Manchus.
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>>148250017
pic related

>>148249898
Bedouins are all over North Africa, though. French people aren't in the Rhineland.
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>>148250119
>>148250101
So why not kick out Germans and resettle French there?
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>>148250242
>playing HPM
You can do that in robmod :^)
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>>148250216
Bedouins are also all over France, should Arabia get cores on France as well?
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>>148250361
wew
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>>148250242
>touching the german master race
Wow
That is not allowed
Prussia will not tolerate this
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>>148250242
Are you Hitler?
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>>148250242
>Yuros ethnically cleansing Yuros in the 1840's
Good luck
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>>148250242
There's no french people there originally and it's europe with civilized nations. We aren't talking about sparsely populated area in the bumfuck of the world.

You could use that argument to justify any cores, really.
>Why can't I conquer vienna as the ottoman empire and kick the austrians out and get cores there?
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>>148250119

Your original claim was that France getting cores on the west bank was bad because no French lived there. You're moving the goalposts by factoring in terrain and population size, two things which were not present in your original claim.
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>>148250447
Yankees did live in the land they claimed though and they were the absolute majority of the civilized people living there.

You aren't arguing with one guy and comparing USA manifest destiny with any shit in europe is absolutely idiotic.
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>>148250447
It's stupid because civilized Christian states didn't magically integrate huge swathes of civilized Christian land.
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>>148250418
you will be able to in the modern grand strategy game
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How old were you when you grew up the Romans never met the Chinese meme?
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>>148250656

>Yankees lived in Mexican Arizona

Are you sure you want to make these arguments buddy?

>>148250712

USA and Mexico are both Christian civilized states.
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>>148245098
The domestic market is taken care of before the global market, you don't even know how the game works
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>>148250776
Older than when I grew up the trust everything wiki says meme
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>>148250776
The biggest meme there isn't that Rome met China, it's that the modern country of Italy has even the slightest connection to the Roman Empire.
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>>148250795
>USA
>Mexico
>Civilized
>Christian
lad... this meme... is too much...
>>
What do you lads think of Italian colonized Thailand?
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>>148250795
Mexican oppression of Americans living in "''"""Tejas"""""" justified any and all territorial expansion by the USA against Mexico. Frankly their inherent inferiority and inability to run a country gives us an ongoing casus belli to seize all of Mexico to this day
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I still dont see why France cannot get Rhine borders.
>Oriental crisis happens
>France gets cut out of it
>starts rattling sabers because of it on Rhine borders that it used to have
>German nationalism on the rise, nothing comes out of it

Alternatively
>New European coalition against France
>A-L to Prussia
>Prussia becomes NGF

Or
>France beats coalition
>gets its old borders back
>Germans unite into Germany because of it

I dont see any strange logic jumps there.
Italians had Irridetism too yet its in the game.
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>>148250971
>Mexico
>not Christian
now you're just being silly, they have the biggest amount of christians in real life behind monkeyland.
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>>148250971

In game, dominant religion in USA is Protestant and dominant religion in Mexico is Catholic; pops will convert to these religions if possible. Both are listed as "Civilized Nations" in in-game terms. You really don't have a leg to stand on here. If the USA is able to get cores on lands where no Americans live under certain circumstances, then it stands to reason that other countries may be able to get cores on lands where none of their primary culture live under certain circumstances.

>>148251097
Texas is independent, not part of Mexico, and the cores extend to lands other than Texas.
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>>148250980
Hardly any worse than French Indo-China, go for it
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>>148250795
>Are you sure you want to make these arguments buddy?
>Central Arizona was first settled during the early 19th century by American settlers.
>http://arizonaexperience.org/remember/early-conquistadors-explore-southwest
>the first "American" settlers didn’t appear in the area until the early 1800s
They did.

>Still trying to compare manifest destiny to any shit in europe.
Why do retards do this all the fucking time?
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>>148250795
>the Mexican Cession was civilized Christian land
So all the Injuns were in church every Sunday and they all spoke perfect Spanish/English?
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>>148251132
They can though.
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>>148251134
Latin American catholicism can hardly even be called Christianity anymore, they're basically pagans and worship Mary as a divine being
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>>148251283

>early 1800s

The territory came under American control in the early 1800s you monkey. There weren't Americans in Arizona before the war, not enough to make up 1% of the population in any case.

>>148251294

In game, yes. We aren't talking about real life, we're talking about Victoria II.
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>>148251484
Are you retarded? Show me the population screen proving that the land that made up the Mexican Cession was majority Mexican and Catholic.
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>>148251484
Mexican american war was in the middle of the century, that's far off from "early 1800s".

But if you want proves, sure.

http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/swetc/hav2/body.1_div.9.html
>Probably, the first white settler, if, indeed, a trapper at that time could be called a settler, was Pauline Weaver, a native of White County, Tennessee. Of his early history there is little known. His name is inscribed upon the walls of the Casa Grande with the date, 1833. He is credited with having explored the Verde, and also the Colorado River numerous times. There was hardly a foot of the Territory of Arizona he was not conversant with. Differing entirely from the majority of the trappers of that day, he had no difficulties with the Indians, but was always free to enter their camps. He had the confidence of the Pimas, the Maricopas, the Yumas, the Wallapais, the Mohaves and the different tribes along the Colorado, speaking their languages fluently. He was never known to engage in any hostile expedition against them, but was frequently a peace messenger, arranging, as far as possible, any difficulties between the whites and the Indians, without resorting to arms.

There you go, 1833.
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>>148251435
No they cant.
You get humiliate casus on Prussia for 5 infamy.
No glorious coalition Great War vs resurgent French Empire or anything.
>>148251620
Show us document stating not a single Frenchman ever settled in on left bank of Rhine in 20 years.
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>>148251451
Not too knowledgeable about catholicism are you?
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>>148251682

>literally ONE person

There was at least one French person in the west bank of the Rhine as well you retard. This isn't helping your argument.
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>>148251712
You get a acquire state CB on them and nothing is stopping you from justifying more.
So yes, they can.
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>>148251712
But Germans were certainly civilized and Christian. The Injuns were not.
"Civilized Christian land" means the land is populated by civilized Christian folk, Rob
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>>148251789
>there's one guy who we have written records
>therefore there was only one guy
>it remained the same until the mexican-american war too

>There was at least one French person in the west bank of the Rhine as well you
Well if the west bank of the rhine was a sparsely populated land full of native americans then the situation could maybe be a little comparable.
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>>148251820
Except its ahistorical since French are obviously breaking treaty of Vienna by doing it.
>y-you can use stock casus belli instead of making a proper event chain
Fixed it for ya.
>>148251930
>Calling other people rob
>obviously this gives credit to your statements
Now thats just sad.
>>
>>148251930

Moving the goalposts. No significant amount of American primary culture lived there.

>>148251949
>I can't provide any proof but there were definitely lots of Americans there just take my word for it

Immigration from USA to Mexico was literally banned after Texas.
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>>148252016
t. rob
Go back to blobbing by yourself and cheating when you fail
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhJQVVAN2Ho
willy would be proud
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>>148251272
Sure thing then lad :^)
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>>148252036
It's not moving the goalpost at all, Rob
My claim is that civilized Christian countries didn't magically conquer and instantly integrate civilized Christian land in the 1800's.
The Rhineland is totally different from Northern Mexico/Primorye.
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>>148252036
>>I can't provide any proof but there were definitely lots of Americans there just take my word for it
Nice strawman.

>Immigration from USA to Mexico was literally banned after Texas.
>trying to move the goal posts
They didn't even control or settle the territory.

Look lad, call me when the rhine is a sparsely populated land full of native americans.
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>>148252050
>namecalling when you run out of arguments
>not giving away German land
Do you want me to report your family to Merkel?
>>
>>148252170
>>148252174

The principle is the same regardless of the population size of the region and the composition of the population. Cores aren't based on pops.
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>>148252016
>Except its ahistorical since French are obviously breaking treaty of Vienna by doing it.
It's still not stopping you from doing it. So yes, you can conquer the rhine as france.

>y-you can use stock casus belli instead of making a proper event chain
Not every conquest needs an event chain. The ottomans don't need an event chain to conquer land up to Vienna.

You can conquer the land, there's nothing stopping you and an event chain is completely unnecessary. What's your point?

>>148252170
He's going to keep hitting that key lad, he knows he's wrong but he just wants to stir some shit so he will keep arguing.
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>>148252312
>The USA claimed some land based on how sparsely populated it was, how the indians there kept raiding american land and fucking with routes and how there were american immigrants living there.
>The principle is the same
No, it isn't.
>>
>>148182503
I just realized the infopic says EU4 has a better trading system than EU3. What the fuck? I mean, neither has a *good* trading system, but 3's is objectively better. 4's is slightly more complex, I guess.
>>
>>148252497

>The USA claimed some land based on how sparsely populated it was, how the indians there kept raiding american land and fucking with routes and how there were american immigrants living there.

You're agreeing with me. The land wasn't populated by Americans but special circumstances allowed for American cores there. The same applies to the Rhineland which wasn't populated by Frenchmen but special circumstances should allow for French cores there.
>>
>>148184306
as Germany you can prevent anyone from fucking up your annexation of the Soviets by just taking the perimeter states of the USSR as well as a lot more in Siberia and Ukraine as Japan and Romania will sometimes still try to take states
>>
>>148252156
How did you get only Constantinople and not all of Thrace + whatever the eastern province is called?
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>>148252174
And you call us when Prussia didnt cede that land for 20 years.
>>148252348
>completely unnecessary
>all the GPs in Europe agreed to stop France from taking its old borders back
>unofficially taking the land by forged casus belly is totally normal
>actual official crisis over France breaking the worldwide agreement has ZERO RELEVANCE 25 years after Napoleons demise
>Napoleon nephew is warmongering in France the whole fucking time
Holy shit you are stupid
>>
>>148252674
> how there were american immigrants living there.
>he land wasn't populated by Americans
>You're agreeing with me
>The same applies to the Rhineland
No, it doesn't. At this point you are just reading what you want anyway, so I will leave you to your own dumfuckery.
>>
>>148252864

>gets BTFO
>y-you're just wrong ok! you're just wrong! lalalalalalalalalala
>>
>>148252864
>Rhineland is German baaawwww
>i-im leaving
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>>148170180
As soon as the cool Levant winter has passed and Bourgogne has helped to ensure the temporary loyalty of her vassals by hosting a grand feast, she sets off on a fast Venetian trade ship bound for Rome. It is not the most luxurious of accomodations, true, but Bourgogne is determined to make it to Rome with speed, whatever the cost.

She arrives sore and aching, but what matters is that she is present, that all might know her piety. While Bourgogne tours all over Rome and sees many sights--she is most fascinated by the Pantheon, and by the ruins of the old Colliseum--she nevertheless focuses her visit upon holy sites. She receives communion from the hand of the Pope himself in St. Peter's Basilica, views many holy relics in the possession of the Pontiff, and is even permitted to reside for the duration of her stay within the Lateran Palace.

Yet it is what she sees of other people which fascinate her most. Thousands of pilgrims from all over the Christian world--which, since the actions of her great-grandfather Baudouin V, has increased dramatically--throng the streets and jostle to see the same sights she does, crying prayers and seemingly almost fainting with the strength of their benedictions. While Bourgogne is moved by the beauty of Rome and of many of her sights, she is not driven to visual ecstacy as many of these other pilgrims appear to be. That in itself, however, comforts her.

"The actions of men are bound by their faith; so long as they truly believe, whatever tenets their religion espouses, they shall follow them without question. The wealth of the Pontifex Maximus, the luxury he lives in, is evidence enough of this, yet such a truth might be used as well as any tool. Men will follow what their God commands them to do--God need only command the right thing."
>>
>>148252975
>He's back
Day improved
>>
>>148252975
>She arrives sore and aching
BIG
VENETIAN
DICK
>>
About 2 years into my German campaign I get a CTD whenever I try to edit my Panzer-Division template and strangely enough, only that division template.
Anyone ever had something like that? Where can I read the crash report. It tells me some shit about sending it, but I want to have a look at it.
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>B-but french cores in the Rhineland will deny me my GERMANIUMS
>The US gets cores up to the pacific in lands they don't have an historical or population claim. The french also owned the Rhineland in the past.
>B-but muh BISMARCK PRUSSIA IMPERIALIS GROSSDEUTSCHLANDGERMANIAMAGNA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!! :((((((

epic grandimod logic
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i hate arguments
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>>148253457
HPM is meant to follow history
Some things in history maybe don't make sense, but if they happened they happened. If you want something more sandboxy play vanilla or make your own mod, nothing wrong with that but you can't criticise HPM for carrying out what it's literally meant to be as a mod
>>
>>148252975
Convert to sunni
>>
>>148253743

internet arguments help foster the militarist spirit we will need to institute fascism in our country. join in lad
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>>148238346
its because thats too many divisons, you are having supply problems so you might as well be using 40
250 is the exact wrong number, you either gotta go like 130 or all the way to 500
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>>148253457
>in lands they don't have an historical or population claim.
>the US has no historical claim on that land
>>
>>148253965
>reading comprehension
>>
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>>148253810
>HPM
>Historical

Ah yes, like these epic historical GrossTurkestaniums me lad ::::^^^^)))))))

>>148253965
>historical claims in 1848

I didn't know yanks could time travel lad.
>>
>>148253965
Us Northern Border should have went up to the 50 degree desu
>>
>>148246773
he means you fucked the quote up, which is true, that isn't exactly what he said and isn't a possible translation for what he said because it omits some words.
>>
STOP RESPONDING TO RETARDS
>>
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>>148252975
When she arrives back in Jerusalem, Bourgogne sends the Pope a ludicrous sum, almost double a typical King's ransom, to thank him for permitting her stay in the Lateran Palace and to "request that masses be said in my honor, and that Your Holiness, as agent of Christ in heaven, forgive me my sins by means of my parting with the wealth of this world."

Bourgogne does not believe a word of it, but what matters, again, is appearances. She is determined to mollify those who would crucify her for not being as pious as her father, and to distract the church from her actions. She knows they watch her closely for the time being, for a woman ruling the Kingdom of Jerusalem is almost a heresy in itself, but so long as she keeps up the appearance of a truly Christian Queen--a mold she does not fit in the slightest--she knows they will not bother her.
>>
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I'm going to give some Romanian clay to based Hungary. I'm prepping my navy for war with the US. What are your thoughts on my plan?
>>
>>148253965
How the fuck does that picture prove anything
>>
>>148254226
talex afraid of being exposed
>>
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>>148253810
Why doesnt HPM put in some more ahistorical events in the game but simply asks is if they will work on start?
He did that with crises and 1870,no?
>>
>>148253810
Not really, HPM is as sandbox as vanilla and hpm takes a lot of care for alt history.
Look at how lake Victoria can have different names or how the events hpm did usually have several possible outcomes
>>
>>148254185

Canada would have like 10,000 people total if we did that

honestly we should just annex the entire country

>>148254290
>choosing Hungary over Romania

pls don't
>>
>>148254226
This
They aren't even interested in the merits and will ignore any points, they just want to stir shit
>>
>>148254385
Romania's political alignment is with the Allies (US and Aussies), Hungary has stuck with me ever since we invaded the Czechs together.
>>
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>>148253965
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_of_Mexico_Movement

When?
>>
>>148254437
pls stop ;~;
>>
>>148254563

>Romania's political alignment is with the Allies

sheeeit. get that sweet oil then family
>>
>>148254385
>annexing Quebec

lol fuck them, i dont want French fags in our country

the land is tainted
>>
OP, you might want to make the new thread a bit earlier than usual, because the steamgroup are apparently planning another attempt at taking over the OP.

Just wanted to let you guys know.
>>
>>148254692
Talexios Grandios

Put back DH in the OP you spergy cunt
>>
>>148254692
Stop fucking false flagging autist
>>
>>148254226
And do what exactly?
i'm bored so fuck off
>>
>>148254634
Don't worry, I'll be keeping the oilfields. Hungary is just getting the areas they have claims on.
>>
>>148254657

it would be really easily to aggressively anglicize them
>>
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>>148254692
Thank you for the anonymous tip.
>>
>>148254657
>what is vermont
>what is maine
>what is louisianne
you might just be retarded lad
>>
>>148254803
play games
>>
>>148254657
>>148254860
>>148254876
>cultural genocide

pls no, leave us alone
>>
>>148250101
>getting free cores anywhere.
What's so bad about this
>>
>>148246364
can someone change this quote to "not by speeches and votes of the majority, are the great questions of the time decided, but by bureaucrats and liquor factories"
>>
>>148254692
>France wants Rhineland back
>STEAMGROUP TERRORISM LOL GUYSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B53rgDRGELs
>>
New Thread
>>148255078
>>148255078
>>148255078
>>148255078
>>
>>148253457
why do you post pictures of that man
>>
>>148255148
Reported
>>
>>148255249
>announcing reports
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>>148249898
If I can go full Charlemagne and uniteall of Germany and France, why can't get cores on it?
>>
>>148255249
for breaking what rule lad?
>>
>>148255148
Reminder that R&I autist creates new threads early so he can spam his bullshit

>>148255148
>>148255091
>>
>>148255139
He isn't relating both so why are you?
Really makes you think
>>
>Play Bosnia to try and form Yugoslavia
>Annex Serbia by 1855, think it probably won't be long before Austria(-Hungary) bite off more than they can chew or get bullied
>It's now 1900 and Austria-Hungary hasn't got in a single war in Europe, much less against a Great Power

shoot me
>>
>>148255382
>comparing 25 years ago to Charlemagne
10/10, go to Gulag.
>>
>>148255552
>Reminder that R&I
Who?
>>
>>148250850
People buy local goods at the exact same price as foreign goods.
>>
>>148255552
Nice conspiracy theory.
>>
>>148255775
Wrong, if a foreign country has tariffs they will pay more.
Local goods can't have tariffs.
>>
Victoria 2 with Prussia is the best experience you can get.
>>
>>148238103
> Combat Width: 62
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>>148254692
>mfw they tried this yesterday
>OP shitposted so much in the old thread that he got banned and his thread deleted
>new thread had "report and ignore" as the first post
>steamgroup got cucked again
>they raged for half an hour
One of the most hilarious things I ever saw in this thread.
>>
>>148256284
I heard it was more important to stack as much soft power as possible and just ignore combat width.
>>
>>148256284
You wot m8
>>
>>148255148
What the fuck are you doing?
>>
>>148256373
Just draw some arrows
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>>148252156
Trade some of that useless Balkan/overseas shit for Provence and ALL of the coastal Mediterranean, and a connection between.

1 continuous land border (if you count Constanbul as land) is the best way to Italia, my lad
>>
>>148256468
It's quite obvious that's a new thread.
>>
>>148256373
You heard wrong and that division comp is going to get creamed from such shitty org. You also don't need TDs, like at all. Since you have Mech and and MBTs, I'm guessing you also have the squad AT techs. The AI never builds anything needing more pierce or hard attack than that.
>>
>>148256590
His map is a meme map
>>
>>148256590
>and a connection between East Afrika and North Afrika.

desu

>>148256689
All maps with Italy are meme maps
>>
>>148256673
No he didn't, what he's doing is right dumbass.
>>
>>148256764
No they arent
>>
>>148256830
>22 org from 60 width
He'll be lucky to last in combat long enough to take a single province without having to wait a month.
>>
>>148256983
Try it and you will see.
>>
>>148256673
>You heard wrong and that division comp is going to get creamed from such shitty org
It creams everything though.
>>
>>148256857
I challenge you to post the least memey Italy you think there is, then.
>>
>>148256983
That division melts through whatever it touches.
>>
>>148256334
Stop your fucking falseflag autist, I made the OP and I didnt get banned. Feel free to explain why do you think a game that gets posted in every thread doesnt deserve to be in the OP while EU Rome, the game that nobody plays anymore is still in it.
>>
>>148257296
It's still shit, anything over 40 width (44 if you use it only with field marshall with -10% combat width) is horribly suboptimal. The only reason it works is probably because you hardly even get into any fights where more than 1 division per tile is in the fight so you aren't coming up against the max width.
>>
>>148251726
Catholics are hardly Christian to begin with, Latin American Catholics are even worse
>>
>>148257553
Noted, thanks.
>>
>>148255617
>play Bosnia
Hang yourself desu
>>
>mods deleting the new thread
Ebin :')
>>
Fucking wewe lads, jannys having a meltdown again
>>
We did it reddit!
>>
Post yfw by 1942, Germany has 10 battleships.
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New Thread
>>148262114
>>148262114
>>148262114
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THANK YOU MODS

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