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>Jannies deleted the thread when AARanon went full incest fetishist/feminist with the Messalinism bullshit

GET FUCKED FRENCHABOO

you're reddit/paradoxplaza tier now, kill you're self

Did the other thread just reach the last page or did a janitor delete it?

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>>148262164
>>148262195
>>148262202
What a time to be alive

>>148262252
Janny just had another autistic meltdown, zero reason for the deletion.

The day when common sense prevailed over autists and shitposters. Thank you jani.

>>148262226
Jannies confirmed mysoginist

>>148262304
Reminder that the bottom 5 states should literally be part of Mexico by now

>>148262304
>alaskan peninsula
>alaska is a peninsula
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THAT'S NOT WHAT A FUCKING PENINSULA IS

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Brilliant jannies, truly well done.

Going to restart from the beginning of my posts in the 404'd thread.

>>148254282
Now returned from Rome and quite confident that neither the Pope nor her own vassals are watching her too closely, Bourgogne is prepared to initiate her plan. Yet for it to be a success she requires land, and cannot afford to sacrifice her own demesne at the risk of a plan which she is still not certain will even succeed. Moreover, if God is with her--for she does believe there is a God, merely that His will is not clear--and her plan is a success, she will undoubtedly need the fullness of her levies to discourage her vassals from rebelling against her.

This necessitates a holy war, and, thankfully, a target presents itself in the form of a rebellious vassal of the Seljuk Sultan, Umaya "the Cruel," a horrible man who is nevertheless well-regarded in Muslim society for being matrilineally related to the Prophet.

Bourgogne does not much care if he is related to Christ Jesus: his land is going to be hers.

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>>148262496
>A peninsula (Latin: paeninsula from paene "almost" and insula "island") is a piece of land that is bordered by water on three sides but connected to mainland.

lad...

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Holy fuck the lads behind SWMH or HIP are dedicated

Post yfw by 1942, Germany has 10 battleships

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>>148262507
she better get rebelled against and her head placed upon a pike

i hate cynics, its a disgrace to Christ

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>>148262491
Dont be silly anon.
USA is Mexico now.

>>148262304
>tfw you will never live in Gary and date a chick from the Firelands
Why even live?

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>>148262746
>only 10
M-Muh place in the sun

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>>148261621
>Chinese clay
>was owned and colonized by the Portuguese before the Chinks got their hands on it

Fair enough lad but it's a lot easier to keep them contained if they're on an island, it's the best possible Chinese containment zone imo.

>>148263123
who would populate China then?

>>148262992
Didn't Willy die just a few days after Barbarossa started?

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prove me wrong

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>>148262507
In the midst of her forces' campaign against Umaya, Bourgogne receives word that her brother, Prince Aubry the Younger, has died of an illness. It was well-known that Aubry was virtually overwhelmed with his position and responsibilities, and it is perhaps not all so surprising that, in such a vulnerable state, an illness could claim him.

While Bourgogne mourns him, she mourns more for the young man that he used to be, neither so burdened by his position nor so hateful towards her rule, back in the days when their father was young. Aubry had grown into a hard man to be around, and his plotting against her--for he supported the claim of their shared uncle, Philippe, in spite of swearing to their father that he would support her reign--only made his presence all the more hard to tolerate. So she mourned him, but she mourned him quietly, and not for too long.

Nevertheless she offers his son and the inheritor of his lands, Comte Aubry, to bury his father in the royal crypt beneath Jerusalem, an offer which her nephew accepts. It is well-known that Prince Aubry, while he stayed in Salamiyah almost always, was not over-fond of his seat.

He is buried next to their father, King Baudouin VI, who is, in turn, buried beside their mother, Gudrun von Limburg.

>>148263219
>British Siberia

or is it Soviet Canada

>>148263219
>cucknada exists
DUDE

>>148263196
Celts and Germanics as a new United States sort of thing. Japan would have to get Manchuria though.

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>HoI 4
>France holds vast colonial possessions across the world
>Including oil-rich African territories like Algeria and Gabo
>Produces ZERO oil

Can someone explain this shit to me? Hell, Africa in general produces fucking nothing except for Chromium in South Africa. Are you telling me Africa is somehow devoid of resources?

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>>148263198
Sadly, yes.

>tfw no alternate timeline where Wilhelm III leads a successfull Unternehmen Seelöwe and reclaims Germany's place in the sun

>>148263429
>>148263349
Canada is green, lads. Britain is red.

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>>148263219
This is more comfy looking lad

>>148263490
Never forget that is the only reason Africans didn't make civilizations as nice as Europeans.
t. Guns Germs and Steel by (((Jared Diamond)))

>>148263490
GOY4 is a meme game that doesn't try to teach the player anything, and therefore doesn't need to be accurate. Hell, I'm willing to bet that Germany starts with Tiger I's

>>148263704
>those borders
genocide yourself

>>148263704
>giving Canada anything more than the worthless state of Alaska
as an American I am triggered

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>>148263240
At the start of the next campaign season and while Bourgogne's war with Umaya is wrapping up, the new Byzantine Basileius, Germanos Petraleiphas, declares war upon Jerusalem to bring Chypre back into the Byzantine fold. The island, which is both incredibly wealthy and strategically significant, has been a part of Jerusalem for over one hundred years, and the Basileius has become concerned--rightly--that it will begin to be considered a natural part of Jerusalem if he does not act to dispel the notion quickly.

The war is inconvenient, but not terribly frightening: Germanos, like a fool, has begun the conflict just as the war currently distracting Queen Bourgogne has ended, and without even seeing himself crowned. What he undoubtedly believed would be a great coup will instead likely turn into a decisive failure for the Basileius, whose support from his own vassalage is questionable without a crown formally adorning his head.

"It is not a great concern to me," Bourgogne writes in her diary. "This Basileius is a fool man, puffed-up and waving his cock about. I suspect we will win easily, and this will turn into nothing more than a donation by the Basileius, from his coffers to ours."

>>148263773
>Hell, I'm willing to bet that Germany starts with Tiger I's
Honestly, that would improve thegame at this point

>>148263782
Describes without memes what's wrong with those borders.

>>148263581
I like to imagine that that his health started spiraling out of control as soon as he read the morning paper on June 22.

>>148263884
Wait, what the fuck did you just say?

>>148263913
>Germany rolling out to avenge Nicky
Probably died of pure joy

>>148263898
>straight lines
EVERYTHING

>>148263898
>the border is a right angle
It looks terrible, kys

>>148263773
>>148263884
GOI 4 taught me that heavy tanks are unequivocally worse than medium tanks once factoring in production cost.

Is that accurate /gsg/

>>148264068
Germany starts with "lion" tanks, Italy starts with "il douche" tanks and Britain starts with "religious warrers"

>>148263773
>GOY4
>>148264163
>GOI 4
What is the meme here, other than "oy vey goyim"?

>>148264068
>>Hell, I'm willing to bet that Germany starts with Tiger I's
>Honestly, that would improve thegame at this point
Is what I said

>>148264331
>he doesn't know about GOY$

>>148264252
"lion tanks"
What? Is that a Panzer I?

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>>148264154
>baby doesn't know what north america is

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>>148264154
>>148264127
>anything other than straight lines for terrain as shitty looking as this
There's no actual reason to dislike straight line borders unconditionally other than nostalgia over old world feudalism.

what nation should i play to form india in liquor simulator 2

>>148264569
Germany.

>>148264513
No, Tigers.

The USSR starts with CCCP-43's.

>>148264537
Shoah yourself

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>>148263858
While her vassals are concentrated upon the impending invasion of Basileius Germanos, Bourgogne advances her plan.

When she rose to the throne and began to intently study theology, she did not merely do so to distract the church and affirm her piety, nor did she travel to Rome merely to see the sights; as with everything, there was an ulterior motive to Bourgogne's actions.

In actuality, she was studying heresy.

"All the major religions of the world favor patriarchal systems," ran one diary entry from her time at Rome, "yet many heretical sects favor equality of power. These sects are now virtually extinct, but information on them, and a few bare adherents, still exist. That in itself is a problem--to convert an entire society there must be some basis--but it is perhaps an issue to be handled at a later date. For now, it is far more important to locate a belief system which is both internally consistent and truly equalist in nature."

She searched far and wide for such a belief, both in the Lateran archives and in intense (if veiled) discussions with the clergy in Rome, but each heresy she discovered which preached equality had some inevitable and egregious downside which made its practical implementation impossible. Bogomilism was not only almost extinct and an Orthodox heretical movement to boot (guaranteeing conflict with both the Basileia Rhomaion and Catholic powers), it was also not truly a movement of equality, only allowing for equality of rule rather than of opportunity. Catharism was a much better choice in that it preached total equality for men and women, but it was also a harsh ideology which espoused rigid asceticism and celibacy, which Bourgogne knew no peasants would ever adhere to. Then there were the Tondrakians, which--while it would be popular with the peasants, for men could take concubines--was nevertheless only a religion of equality of rule, similar to Catharism.

Then, Bourgogne stumbled upon Messalianism.

>>148264569
Japan

>>148264681
Does Germany SERIOUSLY start with tigers?!
As in, in 1936?!

>>148264537
I'm talking about external borders, internal borders like states can be whatever. And the one straight line between Canada and the US' border actually has a reason for it being straight (49th parallel), unlike >>148263704's retarded suggestion.

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>>148264725
why

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>>148264713
pic
>>148264875
Still not explaining what's wrong with straight lines.


>>148264829
They start with 3 divisions of Panzer I's

>>148264725
>QoJ becoming a lucifer worshipper
Jerusalem is fucked.

>people unironically build liquor factories when clothing/fabric is the better good

>>148264725
This better end in the kingdom just falling to pieces

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>>148264725
>Messalianism
>Guy has Sympathy of Judaism

yes, good goy. convert to heresy and split the church!

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>>148264975
>Still not explaining what's wrong with straight lines
Borders are supposed to follow geography. The straight line I mentioned IS based off of geography (49th parallel) unlike the retarded lines the other anon drew. Even then, using that real world example, the border looks stupid. Canada should really be the 51st state so borders would be GOAT.

>>148264957
If you want a legitimate answer, it's a combination of factors.

First and foremost, the campaign was getting stale. There hasn't been a serious threat to Jerusalem since the beginning of King Aubry's reign, when he shut the Mongols down. With Muslims in an effective death spiral and Jerusalem surrounded by Christians of all varieties, there isn't really any danger to be had. Converting would put me on the back foot again, at least for a little while, and also keep things interesting.

But, as usual, this is also about traits. Bourgogne is exceptional, but has been passed up most of her life for being a woman. She's also cruel and envious (hates the power men wield by position alone), reckless (Brave trait), and patient. She's willing to risk it all in the name of seizing the same degree of power men hold.

>>148265068
>>148265340
We'll see what happens. Either way things will get interesting (provided Bourgogne doesn't die before we get a province conversion, because if she does the Messalian plan is going to collapse), which is most of the point with this.

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>>148265440
>no puppet Republic of Quebec

disappointing

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>>148265440
>49th parallel is geography
No lad it's mathematics, an imaginary line that has literally nothing to do with the terrain's actual, physical form.

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>>148264725
While Messalianism has its uncomfortable eccentricities--the sacrosanctity of incest, for one, and its veneration of Lucifer for another; the first, at least, could be suppressed in a reorganized canon--it was nevertheless the ideal religion for conversion. Not only was it a very learned religion--indeed, its tenets provided for achieving a state of Perfection through reading the scriptures, permitted its adherents to worship patron saints in addition to God, and did not conflict with the Antiocheian school of theology--it was also a religion which the masses would be eager to follow, for, in the Messalian belief, once a being achieves a state of Perfection their acts are no longer subject to conventional morality.

Yet most important for Bourgogne was what Messalianism preached on equality, and what its adoption would mean for Jerusalem politically. In terms of equality, it was absolute, to her great satisfaction. And, politically, adopting Messalianism was also more expedient than Lollardry, Bogomilism, or Tondrakianism, for each of those were heresies which could never hope to overthrow their strong parent religion. Messalianism, properly, was a branch of Nestorianism, which was a small and weak branch of Christianity existing only in the Orient; by the mere act of conversion she could present Messalianism as the true inheritor of Nestor, and as such no more different from Catholicism than Orthodoxy is. While it would be no sure thing, Bourgogne hoped that, in the process, she might perhaps save her state from the ravages of a Crusade to bring Jerusalem back into the fold.

And even if not, there was the final matter of the Messalian faith--the Army of Lucifer. Messalian scripture dictates that all faithful must heed the call of a Messalian in need, and march under the aegis of Lucifer to their defense. If the Pope was determined to overthrow her new faith she could call up any Messalians hiding in the East to fight in her name.

>>148265614

>independent republic of Quebec
>not an autonomous state within the USA

it's like you don't want free movement and common defence

>>148265468
The traits are an understandable reason.

Though, why not just simply stop playing in the KoJ and take control of some faggot in the North? What about Livonia? Bring the Crusade to the Pagans and Germanize the lands.

>>148265749
as long as they keep their language in both administration, society, business and culture

>>148264725
>Elects a women to the Kingdom of Jerusalem
>She instantly starts working to make feminism a reality in the 14th century
fucking hell are you Swedish, AARnon?

>>148264725
fuck OFF reddit

bring your AAR back to whence you came

>>148265998

honestly I would be ok with this

One of the reasons that I, as an American, am so attracted to Europe and spend so much time there is the rich diversity of (white) languages and cultures, which definitely isn't something we really have in America. a few French speaking regions would be cool

>>148266013
>>148266131
Go back to your steangroup, steamgroup shitters.

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>>148265732
>Satanist Feminists who worship Incest with an Alternate Morality

time to mod this shit out of my HIP install

>>148265791
>Though, why not just simply stop playing in the KoJ and take control of some faggot in the North? What about Livonia?
Because I started this campaign as Jerusalem and I want to finish it as Jerusalem.

Skipping around is a good tactic to keep things from becoming stale, but it's a bad tactic if you're trying to create a narrative, which is what I'm doing. I don't know anything about events in the North, and I'd be abandoning all of the narrative work and structure I've already established in Jerusalem.

>>148266013
No. Her traits support it, so far as supporting radical equality in the early 14th century can be supported (which, I admit, it can't really at all). But, more importantly, as I said >>148265468 here something needs to be done to help keep the AAR interesting. This is about the most "just fuck my shit up" thing I can do.

>>148266393
>tfw no official Spanish-speaking Florida with white Spanish speakers who are descendants of Imperial Spanish colonists

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>>148266631

>tfw no official Russian-speaking California + Alaska with white Russian speakers

END IT

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>>148266606
Honestly I don't really mind this change of pace but your AAR really took a turn down Meme Lane.

So in a great slavic holy war for Germany, I, Tsar something of Novgorod, managed to claim all of Germany. I basically gave the German king back all his titles, except he's now my vassal, and some of the baronies and churches in Germany are my direct vassals.

Was this a mistake? Or is this how it's done?

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>>148266771
>white Russian speakers
So, like, white dudes who learned russian as a second language? Why?

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>>148265732
Yet the matter which Bourgogne had ignored whilst in Rome now rears its head: there is not a basis from which to convert Jerusalem. There are supremely few Messalians in the world, and the few adherents are mostly concentrated in the Mongolian territories, where there are still a few pockets of Nestorian faithful.

Yet God is with Bourgogne: Maridin, the site of the great victory of King Aubry and Svietoslav the Bulgar, is on the border with Jerusalem's northern marches, and is an overwhelmingly Nestorian community. The local Bey in control of the land, a Turkmen by the name of Dogukan, has some Nestorian faithful in his court--and one Turkish Messalian, his own relative, Tutus Ertekin.

Under the guise of establishing a "governor friendly to the Muslim population of Our conquered territories," Bourgogne invites Tutus to become the "temporary" Duc de Urdunn. As he is a Turkmen from Mongol lands all of Bourgogne's vassals assume he is a Sunni, and his position as Duc, while supremely odd, will indeed be temporary as she intimates. That is as far from the truth as possible.

"Duc Tutus," she speaks slowly, unfamiliar with the Turkmen tongue as she is, and unwilling to use a translator for such a dangerous order. "I know your true faith. It is time for a rise of the faithful, but I cannot do it without a people who believe. You must convert, do you understand? I need your people to believe, so that mine might."

"Yes, Queen," he replied, head bowed. "In the name of Lucifer, I will make it so."

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>>148266606
Are you planning on fucking Jerusalem's shit up from the inside?

Is the Messalianism shit going to be permanent? Do you have any far-off cousins that could possibly take back the KoJ from the satanic heretics?

Isn't Belarus "White Russia" a literal oxymoron?

>>148266904

>not creating Russian vassals

nigger what are you doing? your German vassals will have a wrong religion and wrong culture malus

>>148266923

it would make life more interesting on this continent.

>>148267035
You mean just pick random courtier from my court and grant him the titles?

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>>148266970

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>>148266970
Looks like Jerusalem is gonna need a good inquisition to purge this HERESY.

>>148267196
If you want to convert culture fast you should sort by stewardship, but yeah.

>>148267196

you can generate barons and then give them the counties and so forth or fire the decision that invites a steward to your court, or you can hand out the titles to people already in your court

the higher their Stewardship value the faster the provinces will be converted to their lord's culture and religion so sort by that

>>148266872
Not necessarily. Keep in mind that I'm still bound by RNG, and if Bourgogne dies before Tutus can achieve a county conversion I won't be able to convert to Messalianism and my heir (who is currently a male) will undoubtedly rip all of Tutus's titles away from him, or make him convert.

Bourgogne is currently 52 (I'm currently in late 1318 at the point I've played up to) and there hasn't been a county conversion yet. I checked the success rate and it's at a 2.5% chance yearly, so there's honestly a very good chance this won't work.

We're going to let RNG decide what happens.

>>148267025
>>148267487
Oh there are claimants to the Kingdom everywhere, including Princes and Princesses of France and Hungary, the King of Yemen, and the King of Hungary himself. It's absolutely possible (y'know, in addition to a giant Crusade being called down on my head) that I might need to face multiple invasions over exterior claims, or internal rebellions trying to place a Catholic claimant on the throne if I do convert.

As I said, we're going to see what RNG decides. I'm leaving what happens mostly up to how the game decides to play it, both in terms of whether I do convert and what will happen if I do.

>>148267382
kek

>>148267382
wew lad

>>148267591
>2.5%

Now I just want this to succeed so I can finally see the Alemarici dynasty fall apart and the KoJ given to the true heirs of Jerusalem, the Lusignans.

By the way, where are the Lusignans?

Is it at all possible to do a GroßMongoliums in HPM without >cheating? I really want to but I don't see how it's possible being sandwiched between China and Russia

>>148267489
>>148267507
Well, the deed is done. Although the German king conveniently joined a war for increased council power the mere second I unpaused the game after sorting out all the titles and stuff, after I'm done with them (for the 25th time) I will revoke as many titles as I can, send russian vassals, and cuckold as many germacucks as I can.

>>148268087
Yeah it is.

>>148268345
...what do?

>>148268083
Extinct, as it so happens. Only two dynasts are still alive, and they're both women beyond their birthing years. I don't really know what happened to them in the interim; they must have died out by marriage within Jerusalem while I wasn't looking.

>>148268906
>Lusignans
>dead

FUCK

what about the House de Boulogne? House de Courtenay?

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>>148266970
With her vassals distracted and Tutus installed as the Duc de Urdunn, Bourgogne has carried her plan so far as she might: it is now up to God, and Duc Tutus, as to whether or not she might succeed. But, in the interim, there is still a war to be fought with the Basileius.

Unfortunately, while she is gathering her levies, Bourgogne receives the worst possible news: her son and heir, Prince Thiebaut, has been murdered in the streets of Jerusalem after attempting to gather tithes for the war! While the peasants responsible claim they did not know that their victim was the Prince, Bourgogne does not care in the slightest--she orders the skin flayed off of all the guilty until they bleed to death in agony, a sentence which is carried out with some trepidation even by her guards. It is a shockingly harsh sentence, but so, too, is it a shockingly harsh fate for her son to be murdered in the streets of his own city.

Bourgogne does not have a great deal of time to mourn. Thiebaut, as her heir, was one of the few rocks upon which her reign was built. While his behavior left much to be desired--even she, as his mother, had to admit that--he was still a bright child, one whom her vassals were willing to choose as their future King, and a source of inspiration and rallying for loyalists to herself. With his death, there is no clear male heir, and contrary loyalties present themselves, mostly in the form of the son of her brother Aubry, Jaufre, husband of the Duchessa of Chypre.

Bourgogne attempts to raise up her own daughter, Princess Bourgogne, as an alternative heir, but Christian rulers who already chafe at having a Queen are not eager to bring another one to the throne, especially not one who is rumored to be mad, no matter how intelligent she may be. Although Queen Bourgogne continues to support her daughter in spite of the disapproval of her vassalage, their overwhelming support is placed behind Jaufre.

The success of Duc Tutus cannot come quickly enough.

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HUNGARY NO! Those oil fields are MINE!

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Still never recieved an explanation as to why the 49th parellel is an OK border but every other straight line border in existence is an affront to mankind.

>>148268443
>westernize
>refuse to become a Russian satellite when they set you free from the Qing
>get the most soldiers as you can
>build all artillery
>mobilize
>demand concession vs Qing
>get Inner Mongolia
>build decent professional army with brand new Chink workforce as the meatgrinder
>prestige spam, build a couple of factories in each state
>become secondary power
>trigger the meme Pan-Mongolism decision
>keep blobbing into the Qing for your cores
>seek good relations with Japan until they sphere you
>ally Japan
Everything is comfy from there on since you should have a great deal of pops and your states are very literate whilst Russia is still a backwards shithole.

>>148269305

Because the border between Canada and America is artificial and arbitrary in the first place.

>>148269305
The 49th parellel is NOT an OK border either you African-Irish mong

>>148269305
There's a giant line of cleared trees, how is that NOT a good basis for a border

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>>148269039
>what about the House de Boulogne? House de Courtenay?
Extinct and extinct, sorry anon.

Aside from various Comtes, there aren't very many Duc-level dynasties in Jerusalem. The major three are the Aleramici (two Duchies), the Komnenoi (two Duchies) and, surprisingly, the Ayyubids, with two Duchies. The only (French) dynasty from the beginning of the game which still holds a Duchy are the d'Ibelins, who rule the poor territory of al-Jawf, although the Dutch de Flandres dynasty, which was also around from the start, now rules in Galilee.

>>148269685
>Komnenoi
>Ayyubids
Have they converted to the Catholic faith and embraced French culture?

>>148269363
Thanks for the tutorial, looks hopeless in the beginning since you start without any ability to build an army but this sounds like it just might work.

>>148269363
One last question, should I encourage bureaucrats or intellectuals first thing?

>>148270017
>>148270237
No problem lad.
Bureaucrats first, should be quick since you have few pops by state.

>>148269250
How do I keep Hungary from stealing my oil?

>>148270006
French culture, no, although Bourgogne has begun to work on that (previous Kings didn't care that they used different court languages and customs). Catholicism, yes.

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>>148269175
wew

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Speaking of bad borders, check out this hot trash
>border runs in a straight line until it meets a giant lake that's NOT EVEN THERE

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>>148269175
As when Basileius Maximos declared war for Chypre fifty years before, Basileius Germanos has decided to directly invade the island in the hopes of attaining the support of the local Greek population for his war effort. Germanos is likely either not a student of history, or one who is entirely too confident in himself: just as with Maximos, he has done nothing more than trap his own forces on Chypre, subject to total annihilation by Jerusalem's army. All that is needed is a single victory to bring the entire Byzantine war effort crashing down.

As it so happens, that one victory comes surprisingly easily. With the support of the Turkmen band and their exceptional cavalry archers, a landing is made at Famagouste and is held against the initial Greek counter-attack of 5,000 men. When the Basileius assaults the position with a further 28,000 troops, 6,000 additional forces from the Jerusalemite main are transported in behind the Byzantine forces, effectively crushing them in the middle. Although a few thousand Byzantine troops are able to retreat in disorder to Nicosie, they are tracked down and eliminated.

Within three months of their first landing, the war is over, and the Byzantine army in shambles. The humiliated Basileius is forced to cede major trade concessions and an incredible ransom of gold to end the war with Jerusalem; as Bourgogne predicted, the war amounted to little more than a donation from the Basileius to the coffers of Jerusalem.

>>148270597
not as bad as the mountain ranges bordering mordor

>>148269685
You better be inviting more French and Occitan dynasties into your kingdom. Custom Coat of Arms only.

HoI4. As Germany, if you make Vichy France, once you win the war all of the north french land that I've dumped time into building up just gets auto-given to Vichy? Did something bug out here or is it really this fucked up?

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Ok, what does /gsg/ think of the Balkans in my game?

>>148271202

The land is only supposed to temporarily be yours so that you can use it to launch an invasion of England. You don't get to keep it after the war.

>>148271462
ebin game and ebin grossgermanium fellow redditor

>>148271534
This. The same thing happens in a lot of HOI3 mods.

>>148271462
>No GroßBanaten

>>148264725
>>148265732
>>148269175
wew lad

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>>148271558
>implying I've ever been on plebbit
>>148271739
Gro

>>148271739
>Grossbanaten
literally what?

Is there a way to make peace in HoI4 without having the losing side be entirely annexed or puppeted other then just not having anyone not a puppet in your faction?

I don't want to conquer England, but I don't want fucking Hungary to take it all if I don't.

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>>148271973
>he doesnt know

>>148272149
I assume you're referring to the region of Banat, but I'm not sre.

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>>148270869
While Bourgogne still awaits news of the conversion efforts of her vassal Duc Tutus, news of an entirely different sort reaches Jerusalem: the previous Pope, Gregorius XI, has died and been replaced by Pope Silvester V, previously known as Adolf von Schauenburg. This would typically be of no great concern, except that, as Adolf von Schauenburg, Pope Silvester V was once the Holy Roman Emperor--and not merely for a brief period, either, but for well over five years!

His ascension to the Papacy does nothing more than reinforce Bourgogne's belief that the Catholic church is irredeemably corrupt. "A man who once ruled the most powerful state in Europe, who behaved in every way as a typical lord, is now meant to be respected as the example of Christ's will on Earth? And we are meant to believe this?" Bourgogne writes incredulously. "I am ever more confident in my decisions regarding the Messalian plan. We must strike back at this corruption as we may, and I can think of no better way to do so than to completely deny every basis of the Pope's authority on this Earth."

I sent Spain some 500 interwar planes...
at the end of the war I gathered exactly 0.51 air experience.
What the flying fuck did that faggot do with my planes?

>>148272316
RNGesus seems to supporting your plans there anon

>>148262304
Why the hell would you name a state after Willimantic? That place is a shithole.

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>>148272316
>this whole situation

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>>148272891
>tfw I even spent 150 PP to hire the air reformer

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WE

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>>148272316
Two years after the ascension of Pope Silvester V, two important events occur almost simultaneously. First, in a large but uncoordinated set of campaigns by the Duc de Oultrejourdain, Principessa de Galilee, Duc de Diyar Mudar, Comte de Edessa, and the Knights Hospitaller, the last Muslim lords are finally driven from Syria, securing the entire region for Jerusalem and Christ. Bourgogne announces a feast in the honor of the victorious lords, for even though their victory only spreads Catholicism for the time being, she is truly pleased--in the long-run, the capture of Syria will undoubtedly make Jerusalem a force to be reckoned with in its Messalian future.

Second, the Kingdom of Georgia, which finally recovered from its long Anarchy a little under a decade ago, has expanded far enough to reach the northernmost border of Jerusalem. Currently ruled by the strong King Jarji Grigolisdze, his Kingdoms (of which there are three: Georgia, Armenia, and Alania) are ruled by Gavelkind succession and might yet slip from the control of a single ruler, yet the mere fact that Georgia has expanded so far and centralized so much in such a short time is astounding. The mountainous Kingdom can now rightly be considered a major power on the world stage, and Queen Bourgogne is exceptionally pleased that they now share a border, for trade agreements with the now-mighty Kingdom if for no other reason.

>>148272891
They need to have air battle to gain plane mana
Either sides have fewer than 100 planes sooo

>>148273284
>100 years down the road, Crete will be inhabited by Greek-speaking negros

lol

>>148273543
What? You don't get Air mana from bombing ground troops?
Damn.
Last time around I guess USSR must have sent them a ton of planes, because RPS had almost always air superiority.

>>148273508
Now that you've secured the Levant, its time to liberate Mesopotamia from the Mongols.

>>148273508
Well done with the story.

Is there some place I can read all of this at my leisure? Going on vacation and won't have time to keep up with the threads for a while.

How do people justify Italy's strength in Victoria 2?
IRL
>Country went through years of war for unification leading up to 1860
>Proceeded to do nothing other than lose territory to France until it gained a small chunk of Austria
>Stayed on that until the end of World War 1

Almost every game IRLiquoria
>Unify in the 50s
>Immidiately one of the strongest powers of the world and europe
>Defends itself from France while bullying Austria/Austria-Hungary into releasing Lombardia, Venice, Tirol, DALMATIA and more
>Even gets Corsica from France

How is this historical again

>>148273886
you need like one airplane to get superiority anyway, if there is no competition

>>148274047
We'll see what happens with conversion first. As it is right now I can only take provinces from the Mongols one at a time, which is tedious as hell.

I suppose I could do duchy fabrications, but that would also take twice as long.

>>148274124
Not until it's all done (unless you just read it in the fireden archive when you get back, which is pretty easy). Once it's finished I've got a kind anon who's been collating everything who'll upload it to a set of imgur albums.

>>148274104
what the fuck type of rebels almost invariably spawn as artillery

>>148274275
>imgur albums

Yeah, that sounds perfect. Thanks.

>>148274151
Yeah, but I also sent all my Interwar planes.

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>>148273508
In her younger years Bourgogne was considered a true beauty, but that has long since passed her by; all that she retains now, if she retains any of her former attractiveness whatsoever, is a sort of regal grace. On this, the eve of perhaps the most momentous religious shift since the conversion of Khan of Khans Ogodei, Bourgogne might have once considered using seduction to bind her lords to her, but she is now far too old for such to be effective. She will need to resort a much slower method: feasting.

It is not a guaranteed thing, of course, just as it is not a guaranteed thing that God will smile on her and give her a people from which to rebuild the Messalian faith, but it is something Bourgogne must do nevertheless. She must do everything she can to bind her people firmly to her rule, so that when she converts as many as she can hope to sway will follow her. If Jerusalem is divided upon her conversion it will only mean civil war, and that, in turn, will only make it all that much easier for her rapacious neighbors to destroy the state she is attempting to create before it even takes its first halting steps. She must be sure there is stability, at all costs.

And so she begins to feast with her lords, so frequently as time and her finances will allow. She will do anything to ensure stability.

>>148274141
You playing HPM? Grandi is Italian.

>>148274296
>1909
>only several stack of 3k irregulars
>no artillery
>Socialist

>>148274727
Grandi only lives in Italy, but he is a riograndese afrobrazilian

>>148274837
sociaalist actually

>>148274687
>52
Given the history of Aleramici rulers, she is probably gonna croak before any of her plans can come to fruition.

>>148274687
>claim on Holy Roman Empire
do eet

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>>148271462
Greater Banat, Empire of Bulgaria and the independent state of croatia
Everything else is a meme

>>148274975
We do have a bad record with that sort of thing. Keep in mind that she is Strong, however. That should keep her alive for at least a little while longer.

>>148275201
It's Weak, it can't be pressed against them. They have an adult male ruler.

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>>148275395
Bodo was strong and look how she ended up.

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>>148274687
God is with Bourgogne, and He knows the true path. The people of Gerasa took to Messalian beliefs as a man who has struggled through a desert takes to water. They embrace it with the entirety of their being, and praise Duc Tutus, who has himself been labeled a Perfect, for bringing them the knowledge of the Christ they never knew.

The stage has been set for the Betrayal of Bourgogne, her forceful severance of Jerusalem from the brotherhood of Catholicism.

But not all is yet in readiness. For not only is Duc Tutus now involved in a conflict with the Duc de Oultrejourdain in a war for control of the fertile region of Ahamant, but Bourgogne herself is not entirely prepared for conversion. In order to ensure that Jerusalem will follow her will in lock-step, she must be certain that she has the legal power to revoke the titles of any heretics in the realm. Yet the wording of this decree is of prime importance, for the law must give her the power to revoke the title of anyone who is a different religion than herself personally, not merely the traditional religion of Jerusalem. And its wording and propagation cannot suggest that she will soon convert, or that she is using the law as a mere legal excuse to enforce her new religion of equality on the realm (even though that is precisely what she is doing).

Writing this law, propagating it, and ensuring all agree with it will take time, especially with such a careful wording as she must achieve. In the meantime she will struggle to ensure that the lords of the realm are as contented with her rule as possible, for in just over two years there will be a great reckoning in Jerusalem.

>>148275264
This would be magnificient if only Bulgaria was swapped out for Greece.

t. Classical Nostalgist

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>>148275264
>Independent Patagonia

>Peace Conference
>Germany starts annexing the Soviets from Siberia
>By the time they get close to their borders someone has puppeted Russia in the middle
Johaaaaan

how badly have i fucked up ? I married some duchess from the holy roman empire. I was waiting for a kid / heir and noticed nothing was coming. I know just noticed she's not in my count / court. Is there any chance of a kid ? or should i divorce straight away ?

>>148273604
>Greek-speaking negros
Bit redundant?

>>148276171
you can still have kids, its like when you are leading armies and still get kids

>>148276585
ah awesome, i must just be sending my semen by pigeon to this demon.

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>>148275698
To the absolute elation of Bourgogne, Pope Silvester V "the Just" has declared a second Crusade for Livonia, which he hopes will bolster the flagging Kingdom of Livonia established under Hug-Jofre de Barcelona, which has mostly collapsed in the interim between the last Crusade and which is currently ruled by a weak and isolated seven-year-old King. The war is against High Chief Visvaldis, the selfsame pagan who conquered most of Livonia, and one of the last powerful pagan lords in the entire known world. It is incredibly unlikely he will succeed in driving off more Catholic invaders.

But, to Bourgogne, whether he succeeds or not is entirely irrelevant. All that matters is that the Pope has called for another Crusade, and tens of thousands of zealous Christians will undoubtedly take up arms at his call... yet even the most zealous will hesitate before answering a second call immediately after the first. The path to her conversion is now open, for the Pontifex Maximus has tied his own hands: he can no longer declare a Crusade against her on the heels of the Crusade for Livonia unless he wishes to entirely devalue the weight of a Crusade, and by the time the next Pope might feel safe declaring a new Crusade, Jerusalem will be stable. She might even have normalized relations with the rest of the Catholic world.

God favors Messalianism, Bourgogne no longer has any doubt. It is His true faith, for he paves the way for her conversion of the Kingdom of God.

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>>148276753
>i must just be sending my semen by pigeon to this demon

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>>148276880
You really need to stop clogging up the thread with your bullshit.

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>>148277093
kill urself

>>148277093
I know, because there's so much valuable discussion going on otherwise.

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>Have over 400 hours in EU4
>Still no Truly Divine Ruler achievement
Holy shit this luck is so fucking bad

>>148277093
This.

describe your perfect game /gsg/

>spherical map, you can see earth's curvature as you zoom out, eventually you'll have a look at the edge of space.
If you zoom out enough, you can see the shadow of earth passing across its mass as the planet spins in orbit
>the shadow is also mirrored in the gameworld, so you can actually see night falling over your kingdom/state/tribal confederation.
>dynamic geologic changes, you can actually experience the coursing of the yellow river over time, the separation of tyre and sri lanka from the asiatic mainland, accurate sealevel rise in the san francisco bay, etc.
What should I call it?

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>>148276585
>Napoleon leading armies
>sends letter to Josephine not to wash 2 weeks in advance when coming home
>Mona Lisa above bed
How can one man be so based

>>148277604
greenpeace bollocks

>>148262290
I am agree lad

>>148277730
>>sends letter to Josephine not to wash 2 weeks in advance
What?

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>>148276880
In late November 1322, virtually on the eve of Jerusalem's conversion, Bourgogne's husband Gerardino passes away quietly at the age of fifty-seven.

There was no great love lost between the two of them--Gerardino was a lying miser who was unexceptional in every way--yet he was still the husband of her children and, whatever his faults, had nevertheless stood faithfully by her side through many decades.

She could not say that she believed he deserved the honors of the House of Aleramici-Jerusalem--indeed, she shipped his body back to Italy to be buried in the castle of his niece, in Monferrato, rather than burying it in the royal crypt as was tradition for spouses--but neither did she wish him any ill-will. Perhaps it was best for the both of them that he did not live to see what she had planned; he had never really agreed with her views on much anything.

>>148277604
all it needs is liquor

>>148277604
never going to happen with the way Paradox is now =(

>>148277931
Seriously, just fucking stop this meme now, it was never funny.

>>148278101
>hating on the liquor meme
t. redditor with a phd in vickynomics

>>148278101
nigger, liquor was never a meme

>>148278248
No, t. person who expects a meme to end after a literal year of it's use, especially when it wasn't funny in the first placs

>>148278338
as long as reddit doesn't get their hands on a meme it never ends

>>148278338
t. has been in use for well over a year now, why are you still using that

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>>148277604
>blob as Germaniums
>gas the kikes and poles
>it then actually happens in real life

>>148278267
First off, it's profitable in real life, secondly, you conplin when "le grandi mod" tries to fix it for you.

Purporters of this meme can be divided into two groups, redditors who don't understand throughout, output and inout tech and rob.

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>tfw no qt nordic girl

>>148278509
"t." Isn't a meme, it simply means "regards".

>>148278439
There have been countless examples of reddit using this meme.

>>148278697
Show them then.

>>148278927
>going to reddit
Some redditor posted it here, saying "even reddit agrees vicky is shit xDxD".

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>>148279031
>xDxD
sup ms paint autist
you do realize liq 2 is reddit's favorite game, right

>>148278509
>>148278338
t. literal children

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>>148277929
King Payen of Aegyptus has long sought an alliance with Jerusalem, and in late January of 1323 Queen Bourgogne decides to indulge him. The King is wholly unaware that she plans to convert shortly, and by the terms of their alliance will be bound to support her even after she does. He will no doubt be furious, but there is little he will be able to do--such is the price one pays when you permit your new ally total control over the wording of your alliance.

Bourgogne doubts that she will need the aid of Payen with Silvester V's useless Crusade for Livonia underway, but she knows well that it pays to be careful. In the tumultuous aftermath of her conversion, anything might happen. It will be wise to have Payen as a supporter of her reign, regardless of what her vassals may think.

I'm going to leave us off here tonight, on the precipice of the conversion of Jerusalem.

I'm sorry to all the Catholicboos.

>>148279154
When HPM tried to fix steel you went full autist on him. So thanks, I wondered whether you were reddit or Rob and you've proven to be the latter.

>>148263704
>>148263219
American balkanization will forever look like ass.

>>148279326
>When HPM tried to fix steel you went full autist on him
because he went way too fucking far with it, he changed it in the newest versions and they're good now
>le rob meme
confirmed for redditor spouting memes he doesn't understand, rob hasn't even been online for months

>>148263843
>worthless
>full of oil and gold
>alaskan king crab fishing
>safe haven for whites because mexicans wont migrate there

Daily reminder that the discord group is full of shitposters that raid this thread all day long

ignore them

>>148279683
It'd be great if you could provide proof otherwise you're a lying shitposter

>>148279683
Radical yugoslavia is the only raiding group

Make America Great Again!

>>148279478
>because he went way too fucking far with it, he changed it in the newest versions and they're good now
Then why are you still hitting on it if it's been fixed? Literally every unmodded paradox game is shit.

>confirmed for redditor spouting memes he doesn't understand
Who else would constantly shit on HPM out of jealousy and spite. Rangerage was a faggot, but atleast he knew when he'd fucked up. Rob constantly shits on literally every mod, in hopes somebody will play his ebin austria MP shit.

>rob hasn't even been online for months
How would you know?

>>148279256
God damn you for ending in such a fucking cliff-hanger.

>>148279256
Save your game RIGHT NOW and upload it to a file dropper so I can turn this shit around.

Or at least do the next couple of chapters in MP, with a Catholicboo as the second player.

>>148279256
>I'm sorry to all the Catholicboos.

Little mad, not going to lie, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't find this interesting as hell

I have faith you'll do it right AARnon

>>148279256
Damnit I'm so excited as to what'll happen.
I, for one, welcome our new devil-worshipping overlords.

>>148279256
>I'm sorry to all the Catholicboos.

nigga im catholic IRL, this is disgusting

>>148279478
Rob is in the gsgmp chatroom right now.

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HPM, when Russia gets dismantled shouldn't all its breakup states turn all of their regions into states?

>>148280308
Lol no he's not

>>148280308
t. Kojack

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FUCK OFF

>>148280667
wassa matter, u won??

>>148279879
Sorry anon. Aside from it being late, the main reason why I'm leaving off right now is because it's going to take me a long time to write up all these next parts, since I'm going to be going into huge detail about the conversion process. Don't worry, though, you'll see what happens tomorrow.

>>148279953
I have an autosave from before anyone converts and a manual save from after the conversion. I won't upload the latter, because it contains some spoilers, and uploading the former wouldn't make much difference because Bourgogne hasn't even done anything by that point.

I will upload the save from right after the conversion tomorrow, though, if you remind me.

>>148280009
>>148280054
Thanks anons!

>>148280072
But hail Satan, anon.

>>148280667
>that economy
You're not that 100% taxes & tariff "adventure capitalist" faggot again, are you? If so, go post on reddit.

>>148280667
Pass the reform nigger

>>148280324
>42.53%
>34.67%
>32.47%
Show pops

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>>148280801
>hail satan

your ironic humour still makes me mad

Aquitaine was under my control longer then britinany but when I made my empire with britinana Aquitaine and Jerusalem Britney become. A de jure part of my empire and but not the other kongdoms. How come?

>>148281319
>kongdoms

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>>148280775
(You)
>>148280917
Of course not, it's just easy to make money as the Dutch. I'd go on a foreign investiment spree since there's literally nothing for me to do with all that money but I don't have the patience for it.

>>148279470
>balkanization
>both pictures actually lowered the number of NA countries

>>148279683
Reminder that the "discord/steam gruppe raids" come from within /gsg/ because they are all regulars even when not """"raiding.""""

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>>148281660
>down to 91 brigades
>this happens instantly after
>>148280947
2bh fuck the colonies by now, I'm taking it.
>>148280969
Coming up

Which game is the easiest to mod. Specifically to create an entirely new map?

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>>148280072
>worshipping a dead kike on a stick AND le commie in a dress
fuckin wew lad

;^)

>>148281421
Sorry for the typo but it's annoying me when does it become part of my de jure empire?

>>148281886
>killing hundreds of thousands of your citizens just to keep Transportation

smdh

>>148281660
>437.86 interest
Why lad?

young people need to stop treating IRL religions the same as fantasy religions like in the Elder Scrolls or WH40k

the disconnect needs to be destroyed

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>>148281886
>>148280969
Really nothing that impressive when compared to the millions of Indonesian farmers.
I might be able to turn West Java into a state by late 1920s tho

>>148281958
>commie in a dress meme is finally spreading
FOR GOD AND ULSTER

>>148281421
ayo hol up

>>148282227
Do you have any non whites in the homeland?

>>148282162
What did he mean by this?

>>148282147
They're from my national bank, so the interest money goes directly to the hands of the capitalists, who use it to properly invest in the national industry.

>>148282559
>state subsidised capitalists
This is a whole new type of economic system.

Do they build anything?

>>148282505
Stop treating religion in CK2 like any other mechanic, presumably.

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>>148282453
Y-yes

>>148282227
>Netherlands is 37% sunni
I thought it was supposed be 1913, not 2013

>>148282803
t. starving craftsmen prr

>>148282803
Are any culture converting?

>>148282803
>more fascists in that particular place
Top kek.

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Did I do Austria right, /gsg/? The Commonwealth is Habsburg also.

>>148282803
>100.00%
>100.00%
>100.00%
>79.74%
>100.00%
>100.00%
nederland JA!

>>148282803
>tfw can't make colonies states or this happens

>>148283181
>Letting Scandinavia get that Groß

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>>148283181
Some epic blobs you got there, I'll give it a 7.2/10

>>148283467
Scandinavia is my bro tho. So is GB. Commonwealth is my literal bro and would be figurative bro except the two of us are the only possible rivals of each other.

>>148283526
who's this anime chick

>>148283181
Now it's a >Holy Roman Empire

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>30k dead craftsmen pops in a single revolt
Wonder how many of my craftsmen died through the entire game so far desu, no wonder France surpassed me in industry a couple of years ago.
>>148282726
They basically do the shit+click for me. When there's no colony being upgraded to a state, there's never any permanent craftsmen unemployment.
>>148282847
>what are colonies
>>148282912
I think that's because of my luxury clothes factory in Friesland that is close to being shut down.
>>148282925
Those specifically? No. Though there are some pure Dutch communities in South Africa due to the craftsmen trick.

>>148283181
>allowing poland to exist
Doesn't matter who rules them, Poland is an abomination and must never be allowed to continue it's wretched existence.
Also,
>playing alpniggers

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by far the weirdest Europe I haver seen

>>148283951
>Scotland

>>148283951
How do people play this game? This looks so horrible. Will Paradox ever make something decent again?

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>>148283951
Salzburg stronk/10

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Reminder that the closest thing to EU4 being a good game is to play it with MEIOU&Taxes.

2.0 is coming out soon.

>>148283729
show factories

>>148284426
EvW was going to be the last good thing they ever released, but they killed it when it was a month from release because it would compete with HoI4 and make their company seem too "hardcore".

EvW really was going to be incredible, Korea, Japan, Rhodesia, South Africa, Israel, Germany, Britain, France, there were so many amazing different playthroughs and instead it's a completely finished game wity a few bugs that can't be fixed by modders.

>>148284574
>flags soaked in piss for Muh Gritty Realism xD
ebirne

haven't been to /gsg/ in 2 weeks

what has happened while i was gone

>>148285095
>flags soaked in piss

are you blind, anon

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as someone who actually likes EU4's aggressive expansion system, threat in CK2 is awful. I don't know how they thought it was a good idea.

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When did the EU4 DLC activator change to the 3DM crack? Can I no longer install the DLC on the base game?

>>148285095
The're not though? Only the terrain is.

>>148284574
What is so good about it?

>>148285192
Nice blog.

>>148285359
Look, lad, I get it, I really do! You watch cpg grey or dan carling or whatever other meme tier infotainment revisionist bullshit flavour of the month crap you like and you base all your opinions off of it, or more accurately, what the person presenting it wants you to think. For future reference you could probably benefit to check that what their saying is actually based on anything and not just pure biased propaganda. Do you live near any libraries? Hell, clearly you have an internet connection, so what's your excuse? Why do you continue touting your made for reddit, by reddit "philosophy" when you obviously have no actual idea what you're saying, much less whether it is true? It seems to me that people like you could do to learn atleast intellectual independence, given it's assured you will never have any other kind. Let me guess, mommy pay for your reddit gold? Haha, you're pathetic, kid.

>>148284785
That's optimistic to say the least. It was better than Magna Mundi, yes, but the fact that they were planning on releasing it without multiplayer and with a pay wat u want oben betta :DDDDD scheme shows that paracocks had given up on it long ago. The AI is fucked beyond belief, there's no way they could have gotten it right in the timeframe (how many extensions?) BL was given.

But yes, if it was expected to be a good enough cash cow like HOYFOUR they would have pushed it through anyway.

>>148285349
The so called 'bloat' that makes the game feel actually full instead of some barren wasteland of a sandbox with no basis in reality.

"Poor people should fuck off." --gigau

>>148285561
We get it, you go on 4chan

>>148285285
>>148285172
Can you not see the yellow tint on the flags.

>>148285581
so it just adds more provinces?

>>148284610
eh tomorrow, already quit the game now.

>>148285718
also adds enough events to turn an i7 into a pentium 3 equivalent running at crematorium temperatures

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>>148285220
Love memes like this, pls post more

>>148285667
maybe
anon do you have autism?

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>>148285667
Nope. What does pic related say?

>>148285573
>games are only good if they have MP
Lad, the fact it didn't have MP was a POSITIVE, not a negative.

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>>148285831
gotchu senpai

But yeah the unlocker?

>>148285647
The only reason the Western culture has dominated for the last 200 years is that it's power has ascended greatly since the Industrial Revolution. Things are going to change in this century. Before the Industrial Revolution, Europe was basically a coping and adaptive culture. As you can see, the Greek civilization was not an ORIGINAL civilization like the Chinese civilization. The Greek civilization was heavily influenced by both Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations ( Greek myths and religion had their roots in various Mesopotamian beliefs).. The Greek architecture and medicine were adopted from Egypt and ancient Greeks extensively borrowed from Babylonians ( the ancestors of the present day Arabs) for it's astronomy and mathematics and even it's alphabet was based on the non- European semitic Phoenician alphabet. How about Christianity which was originated among non-European semitic people? As you can see, the Greeks were the biggest copycats in the ancient world. In this ancient time period, there were Confucius, Laozi, Mozi, Zhangzi, Mencius, Sun tsu, etc in China whose thoughts were at least as great as any Greek thinkers. Before you wrote this outdated Eurocentric trash, you should have read SCIENCE AND CIVILIZATION IN CHINA by Joseph Needham which was picked as one of the 100 best English language non-fictions of the 20th century by Random House. I'm going to list some of many Chinese inventions and ideas that backwards Europe copied from China before the Industrial Revolution. China invented compass, rudder, leeboard, centerboard, multi-mast, watertight compartments which Europe didn't use for their ships until the late 18th century. Without all these Chinese inventions, the European voyages of discovery wouldn't have been possible. Also China invented not only paper but also printing including the movable type about 400 years before Gutenberg who had been vey likely influenced by the movable type developments in China and Korea, developed one.

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>>148285884
I unfortunately can't answer your question, I haven't played EUIV and installed pirated DLC in several months, sorry m8

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>>148285831

>>148285647
Without these Chinese inventions, the SPREAD of Renaissance would have been extremely difficult. China invented not only gunpowder but also gun, cannon, rocket including multi-stage ones, both land and sea mines, bomb, even hand grenade. All these Chinese military technologies were furiously copied by Europeans. Can you imagine the modern military without these Chinese inventions? Even the European Enlightenment was heavily influenced by many of Chinese thoughts. As a matter of fact, many Enlightenment thinkers such as Montaigne, Leibniz, Voltaire, Quesnay, etc. were enamored with the ancient Chinese idea of mandate of heaven that essentially declared that an UNFIT king should be overthrown. These European scholars thought the mandate of heaven idea was much more enlightening than the rigid and primitive European idea of the divine right of king to rule forever no matter what. This Chinese idea of mandate od heaven greatly influenced the French Revolution. Also these European thinkers had a high opinion of the Chinese bureaucratic system based on meritocracy through civil service examinations, while denouncing the privileges of the European hereditary aristocracy. Even the concept of laissez-faire was borne in the ancient China. Both Taoists and Confucian scholars believed in little or no state intervention in economic activities. From about 2nd century BC on, Chinese dynasties practiced free market economy while only intervening from time to time in iron and salt enterprises and also by and large they kept taxes low. The Chinese idea of laissez-faire greatly influenced the French economist Quesnay who in turn influenced Adam Smith. Also in the 18th century all things Chinese were a rage in Europe. Europeans copied Chinese architecture, interior decoration, tea-drinking, etc. As you can see it

what make factories only want to buy half of the maintenance goods?
I know you can force them to buy all maintenance goods by changing defines, but is there an ingame reason

>>148285814
oh god no
i was actually considering checking it out

>>148285647
It's no accident China and India were the two biggest economies in the world from the 1st century to the end of the 18th century. Also China invented blast furnace, coking - coal, so called- Bessemer Steel Process, Siemens' Steel process, drilling techniques for oil and natural gas ( China drilled for natural gas and transferred it through pipelines for heating and lighting starting in the 4th century BC, on the other hand Europe didn't use natural gas until the late 19th century). Without all these Chinese inventions, the Industrial Revolution would have been impossible. These are just some of the ground- breaking Chinese inventions and ideas that backward Europe eagerly copied before the Industrial Revolution. Even science was born in the 11th century in the Islamic civilization with the birth of the EXPERIMENTAL SCIENTIFIC METHOD ( all ancient civilizations were pre-scientific) The backwards Europe again copied the experimental scientific method extensively thus bringing about the Scientific Revolution in Europe. The primitive Europeans copied not only science but also math, architecture, literature, etc from the Islamic civilization in the Middle Ages. As you can see Europe was basically a copying and adaptive culture before the Industrial Revolution. Even though Europe overtook China in science in the 17th century. China was still ahead of Europe in technology until the end of the 18th century because there was disconnect between nascent scientific theories and implementing them for technological developments. Before the Industrial Revolution, almost all the technological improvements were done by craftsmen or technicians not by scientists. Even Ancient China was far ahead of the Greco-Roman civilization in technology. According to Robert Temple, a well-respected scholar of the Oriental Studies, more than half of the inventions that laid foundations for the modern world before the Industrial Revolution came from China.

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>>148286059
>May call you Captain
Sign me up

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>>148283951
Here is how America turned out. California is independent but it still has the French vassal flag from some reason.

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>>148285982
>>148286114
>>148286250

>>148285850
It's hardly a positive for our semitic friends at paradox laddo. Remember MotE, which got not one DLC for that tab on its launcher? Not having MP means reducing the audience even further, which guarantees minimum shekels.

Though imo the real issue is if they couldn't fix MP, which is probably *the* priority for paradox shekelmasters, imagine how much other actually useful content was cut or nonfunctional (knowing paradox, that's probably AI that got the knife). It was dead half a year before it was cancelled, what a waste of potential.

>>148285982
>>148286114
>>148286250

t. (((Jared Diamond)))

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>>148285850
29 me lad
>>148285848
I've been tested and the answer is no, take that for what you will

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>>148286482
central Asia is pretty crazy too

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Should I declare war on Ukraine and secure a bridge between the Balkans and the Crimea?

>>148286668
>taking the sample from the darkest part

No do it with vanilla's, I bet it's the same.

>>148286884
Why are you using an incorrect flag.

>>148286668
is your monitor's colour settings off? that looks fine

>>148286884
ugliest Hungary

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>>148287015
From the eu4 wiki, my lad. That's some 255,255,255 right there bby. I'm not bothering to load up the game for this because it takes too long


>>148287146
au contraire, maybe you guys should clean the cheeto dust off your own monitors, mine is fine.

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>>148287146
He's correct they're not the same shade, just autistic. He's declsred a crusade against piss flags, and because those flags are slightly darkened he has targeted them.

Pic related is the sort of thing that has caused this.

In HPM, which event number gives the sanitarium?

>>148287374
>I'm not bothering to load up the game for this because it takes too long

I believe the game discolours the flags some itself. I know for sure they're not exactly 255×3 in game.

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>already start civilized
>has Russian as accepted
noice, this looks promising.

Messalianism actually makes a lot of sense for a surviving KoJ. It comes from Mesopotamia and has Syriac roots which makes it more "original" to the people living there, rather than catholicism which is more pushed on to them.
I know AARnon's queen chose it for very particular reasons but irl I would say that even an outremer melting pot culture wouldn't be truly western european, and that would be reflected in their religion.

>>148287654
is that HPM?
you released yourself from Russia?

wtf are you even gonna do all game except get raped by Russia

>>148287762
>I have never played victoria 2 as a nation other than America, Prussia, Russia or France: the post

>>148287762
When you release a nation you lose your cores on it, so Russia no longer has cores on the regions he has. Just keep +100 relations with Russia and he should be fine.

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>>148287849
>>148287654
>unironically playing as a nation that can't even get the max 7 nat focii

>>148287849
I don't get it.
I have played as almost every nation except for niggers and some asians