/rlg/ - Roguelike General

THICC ANT THIGHS

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>>147984169
>Expect great things when the next release comes out in 2032.

>>147984169

Needs more Kobold

kobolds are dogs

>>147984485
kobolds are lizards

>>147984169
>Strong ant wrists
YES

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TRJ is easy!
Didn't even take damage!

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>>147984525
kobolds are dogs

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>>147984735
kobolds are lizards

Kobolds are dog lizards.

>>147984907
The DCSS kobold description literally says they look like dogs.

From this we can conclude that australians are weird.

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>>147984907
kobolds are dogs

>>147985010
get the fuck out

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Would y'all play a game that looked like this? Currently feeling out UI stuff, wanna make a game that both is fun and looks good. Also, what should I do about the blank space between the player/target shit and the viewport and log window?

Why/How do I affect these extra terminal windows in poschengband?

>>147985125
I'd rather have rat kobolds than dog kobolds

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I was planning on FDA since frostbite covers the -rC, but with this I'm not sure anymore. Thoughts?

>Ant
>No lajatang

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This is a kobold.

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>>147984907
Only in D&D. In good-quality cultural products they're dogs.

>>147985187
=W sets window flags, what shows up in each one. You can edit the font size and type from the "Window" menu (unless you're running native on linux then good luck with your command line). You'll also need to enable visibility for however many you want to use, also in the same menu.

>>147985170
Depends, the map view is kind of small. I don't think the player and target windows should be bigger than the actual map.

Is this a homebrew engine

>>147985350
Never thought I'd see Grimgar here

They're lizards
Has there been any statement about a second season?

>>147985187
Read the pasta.

>>147985170
Gamefield should take up as much room as is physically possible.

The log doesn't need to be more than 3 to 6 lines depending on width. Just add a hotkey to view the log in depth and only keep enough room in the visible log to account for one or two turns of action.

Player does NOT need to be anywhere near that big. Nor does target. You can condense both of those by only putting relevant information. Target for example could be as small as name(color to indicate injury-ness) and glyph/sprite it shows on the gamefield.

>what do with all the space?
Make the gamefield bigger.

>>147985220
Lower skill requirement than FDA, maybe keep one for zot but the plate is great

>>147985220
God damn son you are using that for sure.

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>>147985327

>>147985170
make player window much smaller as well as target window

make the gamefield way bigger (even if that means reducing log size a bit)

>>147985645
>reptile
>breasts

>>147985170
I would rather have ascii, or ascii tiles, than graphical tiles that tiny.

>>147985380
any layout suggestions?

>>147985720
>fantasy creature female
>not having breasts

>>147985428
The viewport area is small, but it's 49x38 characters, which is really, really big in terms of view distance and stuff, assuming the player is always in the middle of the viewport.

All of the subwindows and UI elements are tentative, so by no means set-in-stone, and I've structured the "engine" in such a way that all of the UI (and, indeed, quite a large portion of the game itself) is defined in config files, so you can edit them while the game is running and other cool shit like that.

It started out as a project to see what I could do with Libtcod, but it's turning into a full-fledged engine pretty quickly.

>>147985573
>Gamefield should take up as much room as is physically possible.
gotcha

>The log doesn't need to be more than 3 to 6 lines depending on width
I'll take that under advisement. The way things are set up now, it's really easy to create virtual subwindows, so I might make it so that you have a sort of mini-log where the big one is now, and if you hit a key, a full-size like 50x50 log window pops up in the middle of the screen.

>>147985743
Technically, they are ASCII tiles. I've modified a few of them, but everything else is bitmap font, similar to what IA does (did?)

>>147985763
I like having inventory, messages, monster list, and object list showing but I also have a huge screen. A lot of people like having a monster recall window open but I'm not sure how well that would work with the new recall layout in 5.0.

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>>147985763
I usually do something like this.

so how do I eat oil as an Android? I tried the normal command and it did nothing.

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>>147985763
>>147986096
This is what it looks like.

>>147986168
Androids eat oil so try 'F'ueling yourself maybe.

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updated

>>147986141
What's "monster recall"?

>>147986492
much much much better

>>147986492
Much better. Monster recall shows all the info you know about the current/most recently targeted monster.

>>147986492
Change 'target' to 'visible enemies'

Unless you intend to do something with the space between log and target, just extend it all the way to the end.

How much of a player's info needs to be visible at all times? I'd just put cur_hp, cur_mana, and status effects. Only thing that should be on screen there are resources that can change within the context of an encounter. No reason to have things like Name/Class/Level taking up screen real estate when you'll likely have a '@' screen anyway.

>>147986412
>actual separate windows for each kind of information

What were they thinking?

>>147984605
Are you actually using Song of Slaying?

>>147986941

Appealing to people who have multiple Monitors.

I mean PCB is autism incarnate why not enable that autism in the best way possible. Having seperate windows means they can be organized every which way.

>>147986941
Customization probably. It's much easier than a method for tweaking interface elements within a single window I bet.

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>>147986904
In the player subwindow, I'd like to draw the player's health, mana, and rage (if applicable) bars, as well as name and maybe stats and statuses.

>Tzeentch is my chaos diety
>suddenly decides to turn me to stone on Stronhold Lv.2
>I'm chewed on by a rat until I'm dead from 52hp
What the fuck?

>>147987369
>health, mana, (resource)
All good.

>name, and stats
Unless there are monsters that can change either of these, it's a waste of space. It's not something the player needs to know while bumping a baddy. Save them for the character details screen.

>statuses
Also fine since these come and go throughout fights.

The only things that should be visible at all times are what the character sees and what can be modified during combat. Everything else should be hidden until they need to be inspected.

>>147985170
>what should I do about the blank space
just make the viewport+log wider, unless you have some weird specific reason to keep them square

>>147987141
Yeah. It's working great actually. I'm quite chuffed about it.

>>147986024
having a viewport way wider than the view distance is fine as long as it's not actually bigger than the entire level map

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I prefer kobolds as reptilian dragon-worshipers senpai desu. It makes them more interesting.

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>>147986168
just quaff it like any other potion

>>147986412
man i should probably play with inventory visible but i don't

maybe it would make me actually use potions of heroism or scrolls of blessing early on

i'll probably change my layout anyways whenever i update to pcb5 because of the new recall

>>147989994

Dragon fuckers too if they could get away with it.

>>147990238
>The dragon fucker anon was a kobold all along

>>147989994
They're lizards with dog shaped heads which just means they have a head shaped like a komodo dragon.

>>147985904
>enjoying low-quality, not well thought out fantasy
I bet you shave your neck (or don't need to), you philistine

>Arguing about dog or lizard kobolds
>Breast or no breast on literally anything that can have tits
Next we'll be arguing about dragon or wyvern.

>>147991575
Dog or lizard is a matter of opinion.
Tits on lizards or even on dogs is objectively retarded, like katanas cutting plate armor.

>>147991721
dogs have teats they're fucking mammals you luddite

>tfw Incursion's development is dead again

>>147991812
Have you ever seen a female dog?
SPOILERS: They don't have massive sacks of fat hanging from their upper body.

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>>147992472
>rlg education
Here's your reply.

>kill boris
>he comes back
>bribe branch, he joins up
>he dies
>comes back again
>kill him again

>>147992472
they got nips mate
have you ever owned a female dog

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>>147992627
>smaller
>sped up
>larger file size
baka senpai desu

>>147992472
They are tits, they just don't look like female human tits.

The debate of the millenium.

what if kobolds are both

and each kobold is a slightly different ratio of dog to lizard

they could have a caste system based on how dog like or lizard like they are.

yeah
i need to go to bed

All there people complaining about Kobold tits and I'm sitting here playing Elona and doing horrible horrible things.

/rlg/ - hot kobold on kobold action

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>>147993558
>and each kobold is a slightly different ratio of dog to lizard
God damn it

Kobolds are for slaying, not for lewd.

>>147993836
I slay kobolds with my dick. Does that count as lewd?

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Cutebolds are for cutes, not for lewds. Just like lolis

>>147993947
Maybe if you're an elf.

>that was rather dishonourable
>that was rather dishonourable
>that was rather dishonourable
>stop you brute!
This virtue shit confuses me.

>>147993836
>he doesn't have the Sonja x Pikel rape/murder comic on this hard drive

don't take to me or my slaves ever again

>>147994137

>What a noble sacrifice!

>>147994051
>Nipples
Enjoy your fucking ban, retard.

>>147992767
You know what else has nips?
You.
Do you draw self with massive tits?

>>147994468
yeah

>>147994270
Do virtues actually do anything other than bloat my message log?

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>>147994283

>>147994513

They confer stat bonuses but honestly you can turn them off and not miss much unless you want the challenge of a true min/max run.

Of course they also provide a level of sarcasm to everything you do.

>The thief teleports away laughing
>What a noble Sacrifice!
>The hydra hits you with a devastating blow
>You stand your Ground
>What a noble Sacrifice!
>You have died...

>>147994513
Most noticeable is that certain ones change which monsters are friendly, like some undead are friendly if you have high unlife virture or whether your alignment is evil or good.

Plus they give silly messages.

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not so fast

>>147984169
That picture is awesome, but lets be perfectly honest, it could be cooler.
>Not three arms holding shields and 1 arm with a spear
>Not becoming the Phalanx
>Not Dual Triple Swords
>Not One shield and 3 rapiers
THERE'S SO MUCH THAT CAN BE DONE I FUCKING LOVE FORMICIDS HOLY SHIT

>>147997760
>one shield and three rapiers
>not four rapiers for maximum poke

>no unrand quadruple sword

>>147997760
>Not being a responsible antman with a large shield and a lajatang so he can spend all his exp on better stuff
Shame shame shame

>>147998058
>Not 4 Electric Demon Whips 9+
>Not 4 Quick blades of different elements

>>147998217
Psh.
>Not being a complete fucking tank and using a large shield and an executioners axe

>>147998297
I bet you invest points into strength and buy lottery tickets. This is why you'll never get anywhere, Chad. You always think of "what wuld be teh coolest, BREH?" instead of "What would be the most optimal choice?"

wait, Formicids don't have rPois- anymore?

>>147998695
They can't throw ruks either.

>>147998480
Strength is a good investment now.

>>147998297
>not wielding one stave of each of the primary elements

>>147998757
Dex is still the king, baby.

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>>147998480
Bro. I just recently 15 runed a formicid doing just what I said.
Why would I ever want to use a fucking stick that strikes quickly, when I can use something like an axe, especially a 9+ Holy Wrath Executioners Axe, against a group of demons, you see they all die, instead of just one at a time. It's not a matter of cool, it's a matter of survival.

>>147998821
>not wielding 4 +72 clubs

>>147998901
>not wielding the dark maul and the mace of variability

>>147998842
Dex starts scaling off earlier now. Optimal Dex is now 20-22. Strength doesn't cap off the same way though, and high strength hugely benefits damage.

>>147998848
>Swinging a +9 Axe of maximum tab
>Instead of a +9 laj of goldy locks tab with reasonable defenses and level 9 spells
I recently ascended doing what I said too.

>>147998058
>You riposte! x4

>>147999064
I'm glad we both enjoy formicids. No hate my friend. I just love being the hugest dude I can possibly be as a formicid, since I can't do many of the things they can otherwise.

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>tfw keep running into this guy's ghosts

>>147999679
Oh shit, that's me.

>>147999725
Oh cool, I didn't know we had an authentic awfulplayer around.

>>147999916
no bully

>>147999916
We have atleast 2.

>>148000060
Oh yeah there's that DsWn guy around too.

>>147998297
>an executioners axe
Vorpal?

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>4 races and classes left

why the fuck am i doing this it's not even fun anymore

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>>147999916
DO NOT BULLY
NO BULLYING ALLOWED

>>148001031
What are you doing?

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>>148001221
ascending every dcss race and class

it's fucking miserable and tedious

>>148001804
do it in pcb instead

>>148001902
don't even fucking joke about that

>>148001804
For what purpose?
It doesn't sound like you are having fun.

>>148002332
i don't even know anymore

>>148002720
Take a break, lad. No sense crushing your soul over nothing.

Is being a death weapon literally being a floating sword?

>absorb weapon = absorb the essence of a weapon's power
The hell does that mean? If I eat broken swords(1d2), do I get a 1d2 bonus to my damage?

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>random abyss tele into the rune vault
Jesus christ fuck.

>>148002926
Being a death sword is literally suffering forever until you die.

Weapons with plusses give you a +Hit and/or +Dam essence. As you gain more essences it takes progressively more essences to get a new plus. Resists and slays works the same.

>>148002926
If you eat enough +1 swords you become +1 (or eventually +1000)

If you eat enough orc-slaying swords you become orc-slaying.


And yes you're literally just a floating magic sword, just like the death-sword enemy.

/rlg/ what would you say is the 'quintessential' roguelike? Not particularly the hardest or the most complex or the most indepth simulation, but if you were to tell someone to sit down and beat just one single roguelike and say "Okay that's it, that's what roguelikes are", what would it be?

>>148003960
Nethack.

>>148003960
rogue

>>148003904
>>148003870
So absorbing mundane weapons gives me nothing? How do I stop being a 1d2 broken bitchass sword?

>literally a floating sword
Well that's lame. I thought I would be mentally dominating some npc like the ring does.

>>148003960
Rogue is the most Rogue-like.

>>148003960
Brogue

>>148004149
you level up to turn into better base weapons

but for now (and forever actually) just eat every sword you find. the +1 sword doesn't have to be IDENTIFIED to give you +1, so you can just eat (or autodestroy) every unid weapon you find and get maximum benefit

>>148003960
Rogue. Rogue is actually underrated IMO. I feel like a lot of people just parrot things they heard about it because of how many times I've seen "secret doors" complained about. It's so easy to know where to search.

>>148003870
So being a death sword is like a regular character, but every couple of levels you lose all your gear?

Sounds like fun.

>>148005828
they should really just keep their essences each level but require more total

>>148006084
Did deathsword anon ever ascend?

>>148006143
well if he did he didn't post it to the online ladder

>>148007987
So he ascended to the afterlife?

>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsutlHZM6kCXon9wAn_jFkA
>4 months ago
We shall never see his like again.

Really thought this was going to be my first DCSS ascension. Nope. Died to a careless mistake.


http://pastebin.com/0PexXDgc

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A couple good paralysis needles does the trick.
Poor guy.

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Gozag is actually really cool for extended.
Especially now that petition doesn't scale with uses.

>>148008716

There isn't really anything stopping other anons from having fun on the internet while bullshitting around in generic roguelike #92

This seems doable. Yup.

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Vine Stalkers are fun. Postend is still pretty annoying though.

I wish I had spammed Potion Petition a bit more, but at least I ascended with >10k gold this way- which is what is important.

Dump if anyone wants to peruse: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/nikheizen/morgue-nikheizen-20160710-092046.txt

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>>148010815
Thought I included the picture, oh well.

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>streak breaker gets killed by Sigmund on D2
Oh I am laughing.

>>148011180
Talk about a Zangbang.

>>148011576
>streaking nagas

b-but that's impossible!

>>148012049
NaWn man.

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So eh, I just quaffed haste and poked the sotw boss to death in like 10 hits without getting hit - yay me!

>>148012530
What kind of attacks does it have?

So I've been playing Elona for like a week now and I cannot figure out how to get past this grind. There's some kind of trick I'm missing right?

>>148012530

Eh, it just did regular melee before going down and due to blunt being able to apply stunned it actually killed itself as a final action

full dump for anyone who cares:

http://pastebin.com/6RFDqhk0

>>148012729
it is a game about grinding
if you don't want to grind, don't play elona

>>148012729
Elona+, pot of fusion for the herb herbing, and potions of potential.

And no, it is grindy. Seems a pattern in jp games. (See disgaea).

>>148012810
> It's a game about riding and rubbing little girls, and throwing panties...

>>148012530
>With the death of Amaurosis, you sense a change in the air - a kind of turning. Bird song from the world above, where before there was none.
>This peace is fragile. It must be. How else to explain Eakauri, Demonstide, or the many wars of men? Evil waits, always, for its next best chance.
>But this day is yours alone. Songs will be written about you, your deeds passed down forever: hero and dragonslayer, champion of the heavens.

Hey this is nice.
Sounds like the gameplay is not as good as these flavour bits though.

>>148013003

The largest issue with the game is that glyphs are inconsistent, a cyan W for instance is a high (W)izard which is a humanoid spellcaster, a grey W is a (W)indwalker which is a spirit that can pass through walls and has only melee attacks, a dark blue W is a (W)yrm, the dark red W is the final boss etc etc.

I enjoyed my time in it even though it was a firsttime win (unless you count my level 1 dwarven pugilist that didn't get the starting gear from the guy in the topright corner in the first town).

The loot generation seems a bit off too with me seeing like around 150+ spellbooks and maybe 10 scrolls in total, especially as capped literacy isn't enough to read books ( Literacy: The ability to read scrolls and books. from the documentation). I also looted my first source of teleport at level 45 (!)

Maxed awareness felt really good against spells too which was the only real threat ingame beyond spirits so hm.

tl;dr - game is a bit swingy, either you are entirely immortal as long as you dont MiBe otab your way through the dungeon or you actually take huge chunks of hp per round

>>148013571
i played the game a bit when it first came up in rlg and the loot seemed to be hugely dependent on your class

oracles found tons of books and shrines and nearly no weapons while buff meleedudes got piles of branded weapons but not much else

>>148013571
I always thought literacy as a skill was kind of stupid. It works better as an illiteracy challenge option IMO. Since it's mandatory unless you want to suffer.

Did you have experience with ADoM before playing that? Is it less full of stupid grinding crap (herbs!)?

>>148013907

Stat drain seems temporary which ADoM got so wrong when it comes to the entire herb minigame with stats - I never won adom though, I've reached the casino part of it twice but never finished the job so to say.

>>148009608
Is it possible to get the triggering chance of the magic bite to almost 100%?

>>148014709
The effect of antimagic attacks scales with damage dealt.
I'm not sure how the scaling works for aux attacks, but if the bite scales with strength and/or slaying I'm sure you could make it reasonably high.
VS bite dunks the shit out of every dangerous monster in the game anyhow.

>>148006084
That is literally what happens.

>>148014709
IIRC it's (STR+DEX)/49, so any Cheibriados worshipper should be doing it all the time.

>>148012679
Not him. but judging by the last time I died to the Wyrm...
Burning, Slashing, Pounding I think.

>>148017427
Does it do anything other than hit hard?

>>148013571
>The loot generation seems a bit off too
Loot generation is according to class, and probably busted. I too have seen hundreds of spellbooks as Pugilists, and I too have no idea what purpose they serve, save to taunt you with what you cannot know.

>I also looted my first source of teleport at level 45
Your own fault desu. There's a guaranteed wand of teleport at the castle on the starting island.

Also, since you apparently didn't see it last thread, copy-pasting it over.

>if literacy 100 was enough to learn magic at all
No. You need to have non-zero points in at least one of the 5 magic-related skills (Cantrips, Arcane, Divine, Mystic, Primordial) to be able to learn spells. There is no way to gain points in magic skills if you don't start with them. The Magic skill is unnecessary.

Archers, Artisans, Minstrels, Nobles, Pugilists, Rovers, Seafarers, Shepherds, Smiths, Thieves, and Warriors start with nothing.

Adventures, Apothecaries, and Merchants start with Cantrips.

Pilgrims start with Divine.

Oracles start with Cantrips and Mystic.

Witchlings start with Primordial (and an undocumented Cantrips)

Sages start with Cantrips, Mystic, Divine, Arcane, and Primordial.

>The documentation for the game is horrible though, I dont really expect being handheld to a large degree but I do think one could have a bit... more in the documentation than the current state
In the "docs" folder, which should be inside your SotW folder, there is a .pdf which holds a lot of information about the game. Between that and version_info.txt, which should also be in your SotW folder, is all the information about the game that there is.

>>148017607
Nope. It does hit really hard, though. A character with 208 HP and 56/38 EV/SO, along with Heat resistance of 0.05 was two-shot by him. Get on good terms with your god before you try him: you can pray for buffs when in sight of an enemy, and pray for healing if you survive an attack.

>>148018046
Just sounds kind of boring for a last boss fight.

What's a good Roguelite for android?

>>148018473
Watch the cell saga and drown yourself in a tub of mountain dew.

>>148018221
The game is very unfinished. Wandering around the world map shows dozens of small villages, keeps, and caves that are not explicitly stated to be so, but probably are given how generic they are, placeholders.

Even in the areas that have been worked on, like the gnome village, there are still quests and the like that I suspect are in the works: that named gnome talking about magnesium powder doesn't trigger a quest, but he probably will in the future. Similarly, Jewelry works, but requires Gold ingots: an item that literally does not exist, going by what I can see in the code.

We get an update every month generally, so I'm hopeful, but even ADoM started in the early 2000s, and this game appears to be much, much larger than ADoM.

>>148017831

I did see it last thread but the .pdf doesn't really specify that part - if you read old runic you get the "cant read that language" but non old runic books show that the runes blend together which implies that it is a matter of understanding rather than lacking the skill altogether.

The error message for attempting to read books that you lack skill for shouldn't really be that the runes blend together when there is a *literacy* skill ingame that the documentation CLAIMS assists with reading books.

And where would that wand be - I looted both the armory, the tombs, the basic level with the roc and the level with the two artifacts so that sounds weird.

(And yes, I have read both the pdf files and while he specifies that magic schools exist, he does mention that: "Cantrips: Minor magical spells. Cantrips encompass a broad spectrum
of spells, from the attacking to the healing. They are relatively easy to
learn, *not* being written in Old Runic, but they are also less effective than
their counterparts in the other spheres of magic, and more expensive to
cast." which led me to believe that literacy could assist. I did see your post but I already dinged 50 at that point so I had to live with 100 literacy :)

>>148018473
Theres Pathos:Nethack codex, Pixel Dungeon and its variants... Cardinal quest 1 and 2.

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>>148018547
>And where would that wand be
On the first floor, anon.

>>148019057
Outplayed out of 10

>>148000416
Which one, the guy who startscummed thousand of DsWn and quit whenever he got horns or _____me?

>>148019057
I don't really see how missing such a thing would be someone's fault unless it's in the documentation.
Also
>important fixed drops

>>148019631
I didn't know it was there until I saw it for the first time. With my eyes. My eyes that work.

>>148019631
I did go through the area and actually visited it multiple times so it strikes me as a bit weird that I would miss it but well, if it's fixed then it does help a bit because players will naturally pass through that area...

>>148019784
><><>guaranteed items which are important
><>>>that you don't start with

>find something amazing like a dagger of pain on D:1
>D:4 is absolute assrape with grinder, a conjurer player's ghost, le scythe-man, and a water mocassin jumping you at the same time

every fucking time

>>148020112
>play a weak combo
>fucking nothing drops, barely scraping by
>play a mi
>?acq, !haste, /Heal Wounds out the ass
Every fucking time.

To what level should you recharge an iron rod? Just splurge all available scrolls or is there some magic number for diminishing returns?

>>148021168
Enough to use it three times in a row

>Games that allow you to recharge wands.

>They don't tell you the charge count and if you deplete it it disintegrates.

>>148021498
What? Why?
What game?

>>148021612
Well *hacks for example, if your wand is unID'd.
But that's all I can think of.

>>148017310
as in, if you reach a total of 49 as the sum of DEX+STR you have 100% proc chance?

>>148017310
>(STR+DEX)/49

That's way too simple of a formula to be in DCSS.

It should be something retarded like [(dex^e)/(str - ln[xl - depth])] + (nmb of fruits in inventory) - (NP).

Vine Stalker of Pakellas: how much of a challenge is it?

>>148020112
>dagger of pain

are you one of those badplayers who think pain actually does something when you don't have necro skill

>>148022949
Not harder than most other combos

>>148021168
just it it to (12/12) for two shots without recharging

the max is normally +9 (17/17) for any rod, so it's impossible to get 3 shots with the iron rod except with pakellas supercharge

>>148022949
used to be good but weird because of the mp bite

then that was nerfed to not work under pak so you're just a pak worshipper with permanent spirit shield, which is bad

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I'm kind of pissed off that the one time I play it safe the game drops me in the middle of the vault. First it was a teleport trap, then a scroll helpfully put me in a even worse position

I've always thought it's superbullshit there's a enemy who can poison you, lower your poison resistance and then poison you more with a spell

>>148023372
>dorf
>nonzero max mp
don't worry you're still invincible

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>>148023515
Recharging takes several turns and I only have 4 HW left counting potions. I can't stop to recharge right now as my last tele put me in the very worst place possible

>>148023685
i was just memeing

but seriously though do you not have any more tele?

>>148023685
Also if anyone wants to lend some help it'd be much appreciated as I don't have any idea of what to do at that point

I'm at berotato

Do i get half the exp if a summoned creature kills something for me? Is summoner weak as fuck if this is the case?

>>148024008
game?

in dcss you get a scaling amount of xp: half if you did no damage, scaling linearly up to near 100% if you did all the damage and the summon just got the last hit

>>147984169

Is this picture just some neat rule of cool, or can formicids dual wield weapons?

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The newbie octopode here, and i'm trying out the Naga now, i hope it's not harder than octopode.
Also, i went transmuter once more (love summoning snakes as a giant snake), and i've found this thing. I have trained fighting just in case, do i go Unarmed or should i train this thing?

>>147989561
That's good to know

>>148026072
UC with BH will outdamage anything in the game and that Glaive would require a large investment to be even remotely useful.

>>147998107
The Gillette brand Quadruple Sword is under development

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well this is the 5th scroll ive had so far. got a venom broad ax+1, some shit +0hat of sinv (already have antennae mut), wand of heal wounds, and a demon whip of flaming +2

what do i go for now?

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>>148027608
for reference

also there is a trove asking for the akrasiac record and ones available in the shop for 1575 gold. should i just wish for gold and then go buy it and trove it up? that was my initial thought

D:10 and still no Orc nor Lair, wtf?

>>148027608
moar wands

You will eventually get enough gold to buy that book for the trove without having to ?acq it.

>>148027903
There's a decent chance one will show up eventually.

Do you already have haste and heal wands? If yes, wishing for gold is probably halal.

>>148028965
yea haste heal and tele also 9 haste pots and 4 invis pots and 4 recharge scrolls

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i guess its time i went back to shoals......

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where should i go next?

>>147991312
Reptilian females having breasts is small enough that I can handwave it with "magic, shit needs no explaining".
Besides, in muh headcanon setting the Goddess of love and attraction and the God of invention and civilization came together to make humans and dragons first then the rest of the pantheon copied them since they're uncreative, lazy assholes. Its the reason why both humans and dragons can mate with anything and everything.
>>147991575
>Next we'll be arguing about dragon or wyvern.
THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE
Wyvern-4 limbs, arms act as wings, can be called a dragon but is stupid to do so as it leads to false preparation
Dragon- 6 limbs, arms are different from wings, cannot be called a wyvern
Its like a rectangle and a square.

>>148023078
Are you one of those shitlers who can't adapt? Finding a dagger on D:1 is reason enough to go Kikuu.

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The hell, monsters can generated out of fucking thing air?
I desperatly need bolts damn.

>>148030990
>felid conjurer
>tile looks nothing like a cat
This is bullshit.

>>148030753
>autistic about dragon vs wyvern, even though the split is a modern invention and purely an autist thing
>lizardtits, which is objectively retarded, is ok because magic

>>148031126
>>autistic about dragon vs wyvern
I'm anal about it because wyverns are animal intelligence, dogs pretty much, while dragons are genius masterminds.

>>148031249
They aren't. They aren't real.
It's like autisming about vampires being able to turn into bats and saying that anything that can't turn into a bat is actually a ghoul or wight.

>>148031456
>They aren't. They aren't real.
Fuck you, I take my settings of magical orc barbarians very seriously.

>>148031456
>making distinctions in fiction is for autists!

Fuck off.

>>148031546
That's not an excuse for forcing personal definitions on everyone else.
People like you are the reason neo-/d/ is fucking shit.

>>148031742
>People like you are the reason neo-/d/ is fucking shit.
I'd say mods forcing /aco/ is more responsible for that.

Somewhat new to DCSS, tried tablording Mibe, DDFi and then actual fun things but I keep fucking up and dying at 2 runes, any tips to win?

>>148032039
Where exactly are you dying?

>>148032128
Spider caves and shoals usually, though my one DsNe that took off died in vaults I think, it was a few months back so I'm not too sure

>>148032232
Those are both about positioning. Make sure you're luring mobs to safe terrain for fighting, and avoid walking out in an open area if you can help it. Make sure you keep potions of flight for shoals, and stop and take things slow around nymphs. They're usually the biggest culprit for large amounts of damage in shoals, along with the javelin/penetrator merfolk. Aggressively teleport if you have to. For spider, learn how to orb dance and lure things from outside of LoS. Lots of corridors can be used to easily kill orb spiders, as well as limiting how devastating entropy weavers can be. Other than that, are you training your defenses properly? Dex + dodging for 25-30~ EV by the time you do these branches?

>>148032715
Yeah orb spiders fucked me a few times and I'm usually pumping dex and dodge as soon as I feel confident in how effectively I can kill dudes, I usually will be at 20-25 by the time I'm there

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wew

I'm pretty sure this is significantly better than Hithlomir base.

>>148033480
rBased

>come up out of the stronghold
>start melting in the sun
Oh, right, vampire things. Do you just do stronghold and icky caves until you get light resistance?

>>148036114
Or just keep some scrolls/staff of darkness for emergencies, ready at the inn until nightfall, and then walk

>>148019907
Nethack's (and its variants) Amulet of Yendor, Book of the Dead, Bell of Opening, quest artifacts. ADoM's Scepter, Medal, and Crown of Chaos. Literally any guaranteed quest reward that's worth keeping. PCB's Labyrinth's Rod of Recall. DC:SS' 15 Runes and Orb of Zot. IVAN's Belt of Levitation.

All of those are important, guaranteed items that you do not start with. There is nothing wrong with not starting with important items.

>>148037272
>using ADoM as an example of "nothing wrong"

>>148021671
No, If you deplete a wand in *hacks, it stops zapping. Unless, that is, you repeatedly zap it until you bring the charges to -1, at which point it does disintegrate.
>>148022301
Yes.
>>148022571
You forget, dicku-san was involved in the creation of Vinestalkers.

>>148037632
zapping an empty wand has a 1/256 chance to disintegrate it on the first try

>>148037534
>Bug Report
>Orb of Zot didn't spawn at dungeon entrance. Pls fix thnx.

>>148038169
>Introducing the Fake Orb of Zot!
>You won't know it's the fake one until you try to leave!

>>148037534
Was Adom the one what you could make unwinnable by normal play?

And the one that had the mechanic that made monsters exponentially stronger the more you killed of a certain type?

>>148038379
>Klaatu
>Barada
>Nikt-*clears throat*

>>148038379
All runes have been removed, and replaced with potential orbs of zot. Only one is the real one. And as soon as you pick up one (fake or not) the monsters start hunting you like before.

>>148038568
>Was Adom the one what you could make unwinnable by normal play?
I don't think so, at least for the standard ending of closing the gate. I know you can accidentally make nethack unwinnable by converting to a another alignment early on.

>And the one that had the mechanic that made monsters exponentially stronger the more you killed of a certain type?
Supposedly this was fixed.

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>>148038568
>Was Adom the one what you could make unwinnable by normal play?
Only Ultra wins, but yes.
>exponentially
See pic.
>mechanic that made monsters...stronger
Yes.

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Draining your friends to death confirmed for heroic.

>guardian golems explode when destroyed

holy shit

Goddamn it, why doesn't the new One Way Heroics have a release date so I have something to look forward too
"SUMMER" is a broad term.

>>148039513
Well you gotta be pretty brave to drain a skaven, lemme tell you what.
It's like drinking sewage, I'd imagine.

>>148039135
Yes, I exaggerated about the mathematical function, im sorry.

Found the nerd.

> Ultra wins
Aha right, thought it was the entire game.

>>148039039
Think you could use a helm of reverse alignment to reverse that. But that item is not a guaranteed drop. Dunno if wands of wishing are.

>>148040016
>Think you could use a helm of reverse alignment to reverse that.
You can't for the purpose of entering the quest, unless that was changed in the newest version. If you also converted away from neutral you're stuck even if it was..

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Summon miscasts are pretty fun.

You just never know who's gonna show up.

>>148040487
Ow, it locked you out of the quest as well? That is indeed fucked up.

Well, then we know which game can be made unwinabble. And it wasn't adom.

>>148040947
go to bed biskup, no one cares about your shite game

>>148039529
>spell description warns you about it to a degree
>text warning when it gains inner flame
>graphic warning when it gains inner flame
You have no right to be surprised.

DYING IS FUN

I'M HAVING SO MUCH FUN DYING HA HA

>>148038568
there's a certain NPC blocking further access to the main dungeon
if you talk to him he instantly dies

to get the best ending he has to be alive, so you have to somehow acquire an amulet of life saving and give it to him before talking to him

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>playing ADoM
>when Elona exists

>>148041749
>it's Japanese, so it's better

>>147984169
That's one swole-ass ant

>Combine Urug and Maud

>>148041724
If you start a game on the dev's birthday, there's a guaranteed AoLS in as shop on the surface. :^)
note: I am not defending this, I am simply annotating the absurdity.

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KOBOLDS ARE LIZARDS

>>148041749
Elona is way too goofy.

ADOM at least has a consistent setting and established end goals.

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>>148042308
Kobolds are lizards.
You are a degenerate.

>>148042654
Please control yourself.

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>>148032943

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Wait that's a kobold with tits, that's definitely wrong

This is a better kobold

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gg no re

>>148042374
PRff end goals. Consistent setting. That is not the CDDA way!

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Is this worth using even with the -tele?
It's tempting me.

>Shoals 4
>Ghost of merfolk berserker with a flaming weapon and ghost of a DeCe with IMB, Battlesphere, bolt of flame, swiftness and regen, amongst other things
>And that's just by one set of stairs

Wake me up before you go go

>>148042789
Byotiful.

>>148043021
>Otab the MiBe
pottery

>Come to rlg from gsg after boredom
>Finish ADoM, DCSS twice, PCB, IA and reach low floors in Sil
>bored again.
Where the fuck am I meant to go, all other genres have way less freedom and variety.

>>148043021
I'd say yeah. Its not like armor or a shield, you take one more turn to unequip the axe before using the scroll. If you're playing smart you should be fine.

>>148043423
you're supposed to get bored of roguelikes and get a PHD
the hard work and determination you got by finishing roguelikes have taught you to persevere and take it easy in the face of danger

>>148043423
DDA senpai desu

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Trying for my first DCSS ascension.

Which builds are OP? Give me ideas!

>>148043554
Ow, that is where I failed my life.

Well, time to get a win with all race/class combinations.

>>148044090
Only 3 rune or all 15?
If you're only in for the 3 rune then most kinds of berserker will do the job.

>>148044103
what no
you get that degree anon
you go and get that degree right now

>>148043021
What game?

pls no bully

>>148044090
MERFOLK GLADIATOR OF QAZLOUD
GET 14 POLEARMS AND 20 EV BEFORE LAIR
GET 20 INVOCATIONS BY THE TIME YOU'RE DONE WITH LAIR
REINVEST DEFENSES AND POLEARMS AFTER THAT
MAX INVOCATIONS BEFORE YOUR THIRD RUNE
MASH THAT DISASTER AREA FAMILIA

>>148044090
MiFi but don't tablord. Think it starts with better gear than the Berserker, and you can always go trog later.

>>148044090
most viable berserkers, especially minotaurs

>>148044090
GrFi of Okiedokie is the only combo I've been able to ascend with.

>>148042838
>of the Fifty Runes
That's quite the bold name for a fucking short sword

Whats the general strat for scrolls of enchant weapon for DCSS? Should I save them for a weapon that I want to improve or just use them as soon as I can for that quick boost in effectiveness?

>>148045052
Save them for a solid weapon. The payoff isn't quite there for burning them immediately like it is for enchant armour.

As a Naga stabber am I a likely candidate to benefit from Jivya since armor sucks for me?

>>148045429
Welp, just read-ID a scroll of branding and my trident is now one of electrocution. Time to pop em.

>>148045675
And a regular orc just dropped a vampiric trident. Which one should I roll?

>>148042789
>exploiting the DCSS AI and dodging a single projectile is so hard for Crawl players that they need an infographic about it

I wonder what happens if a Crawl player tries to play Dwarf Fortress.

>>148043021
Yes. Also abandon Trog now that you have one of his 3 abilities in item form.

>>148047792
To be fair, you don't dodge projectiles very often in crawl. It should be cake for anyone who has played Sil.

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Xtahua MuMo up!

>the +27 Lear's Hauberk
Fuck I am mad. This is what I get for picking troll

This is a public service announcement.

Do not attempt to traverse the abyss with The Gong, I repeat, DO NOT attempt to traverse the abyss with The Gong.

This has been a public service announcement.

oh jesus christ .15's ultra low res tiles are giving me eye cancer
it hurts
it hurts so much why god why

>>148048637
Hauberk is pretty shit.

>>148049971
How could +27 AC be bad

>>148050376
Doesn't it occupy all of your aux slots as well?

>angband:12 quest's excellent item is a pair of gloves on a necromancer
Goes well with my thief quest long sword, I guess.

I wonder if they hate casters that much or no one has actually played this class. Probably both.

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Is Cheibriados still the best god for a Transmuter in 0.6.1?

Or, being that I'm intending to screw around with Alter Self, are Jivya or Sif Muna a better choice?

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>>148042308
Are you dumb?

>>148050765
No, you'll lose your stat boosts when you transform.

Sif transmuter is still bad, but given that the whole point of your character is alter self you might as well take sif so you can get it. Oh, and you'll want necromutation too if you want to scum it for a long time since you need to rest back up to full health after each cast.

>>148042789
I still don't get why they aren't called orb weavers

>>148051080
Alright, thanks. Did Stabbing use to work for everything? I haven't wielded a single weapon this game, but between my automatic stealth training and my confusion potion clouds, I've gotten Stabbing up 1.6 levels.

>>148051034

That's not a kobold, that's a puppy cerberus.

Man, I spent two hours trying to compile mpa-pcb 4.0.2 when I the realized I don't even like playing PCB anymore.
I'll just play some flash game instead

>>148024008
Yes, the stone soup devs are indeed completely unable to balance a game.

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>>148052086
I don't remember the context of this image

>>148054641
flying scorpions

>>148054819
I mean the edit. Maybe it was just that Qazlal is suicide.

>>148018515
This

>>148055373
>dcss
>DD^Makh
>no name
[yawns externally]
oh boy it's that thing again.

>>148055373
>not releasing your entombed comrades before ascending

>>148055883
>>148055883
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.

>>148030753
wyverns also have a scorpion like tail with deadly poison

>>148056349
Pretty sure that's manticores but wyverns having stingers i'm not against.

>>148018541
>magnesium powder
He does realize that magnesium powder will spontaneously ignite under atmosphere if it's a humid day, right
>>148045812
>>148045675
You want a demon trident or a bardiche, but that vamp trident isnt terrible for a while.

>>148056349
>>148056449
Depends on the setting. Some give Wyverns poison barbed tails, other just treat them as 4-limbed dragons.

Jesus fuck you guys are still talking about that?

>>148051974
Stabbing still does work for everything. It hasn't changed at all.

>>148056653
KOBOLDS ARE FUCKING LIZARDS

>>148056653
It's part of our ancient /tg/ ancestry.
We take our worldbuilding very seriously.

>>148056338
Go away, morbi. This is not /co/
>>148056653
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WYVERNS BE DISTINCT FROM PROPER DRAGONS

>>148056497
>He does realize that magnesium powder will spontaneously ignite under atmosphere if it's a humid day, right
He's a gnome. Do you think he gives a fuck?

>>148056653
/tg/ never lets go. It still has edition wars over something that came out 7-9 years ago.

>>148056252
gas yourself filthy shitter

>>148056852
>It's part of our ancient /tg/ ancestry.
I'm sad now. I'm seeing parts of /co/umblr spread to /tg/

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shouldve been playing a muck

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I appreciate the thought Trog, but I think I'll pass this one.

>>148057607
/tg/ has been garbage for years. I blame generals and quests*.

*I don't think quests are inherently bad, and I would love to run one if I had the chops, but I feel like they brought in a lot of people who have no ties to traditional games

>>148050376
No resists and >>148050440

>>148058254
/tg/ went to shit when nazimod made it into a safe space for tumblrtards.

>>148058136
Metal reference! \m/ \m/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxcJW6bs5os

> Captcha : select images with trains ... tsk tsk.