/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>actual player image
shit thread

>>147834240
Also because I was in a rush and didn't really check the links, the Angband competition has been updated. It is now a Draconian Monk in PCB 5.0

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Spiderslots
Still alive
Saved princess
Life has some meaning

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jesus since when did randarts get +++ resistances

i'm almost tempted to buy boots of the assassin but that'd just be a waste of dosh

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I've been wearing an amuled of inaccuracy since D:3, not a single remove curse since then. Relying on Magic Dart to hit anything at all is getting old. That staff of power is the only reason I'm not constantly starving whenever I find something with AC and have to spam Iskenderun's in the hope one of them hits

I also never could stop to pray at an altar so I may as well make this a godless game

I have Claws 2, should I pump UC?

Mana brand does fuck all if you don't have mana, right?

>>147834582
>waste of dosh
are you fucking serious
you get antennae 3 on your fucking feet and you call it a waste?

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I for one will take this over Dasai any day.

>>147834582
Since a couple versions ago.

>>147834642
Yeah.

>>147834965
dasai of elvenkind

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>>147834608
All hail 0:18

Can i go Troll of Jyiva, learn Necromutation in the very late game, then abandon her and keep casting it until her wrath is gone to avoid bad muts?

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I also love it when you get a cursed item whose drawbacks have no impact on you whatsoever.

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Do your best, anon-chan!

>>147834737
i didn't realize they added that, huh
i thought it just was Stealth++ and the stab mechanic

>>147835770
grab those books you bastard
you can even staffstab shit

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>>147835521
Yes, good luck anon-chan! You too awoo-chan!

>>147834965
That's pretty tame for a Dasai randart too.

>>147835201
I'd also like to ask: most reliable ways about leading Jiyva stat shuffle towards the Stat of interest? (a method for each stat would be great)

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Thank Christ almighty, I'm free

>>147836238
dumb akari poster

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>the limrog commands you to return!
Yeah.

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alright i'm liking this new amulet

>>147836821
>10x as much sp as hp
nice

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keep exploring that dungeon, anon

some common european dogwood you could

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>>147837442
>a two
>a hoo
>awoo

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>>147836615
Im not! Stop being so negative and spread the love! Good luck to you aswell in your runs

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>>147837665

>>147834608
>putting on unidentified shit with no removecurse in inventory
fault

>>147836298
>int: know high level spells
>dex: wear light armor
>str: wear heavy armor

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>>147837665

>>147837665
Why do you keep posting blank images?

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>>147838810
DO NOT LEWD AKARI

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>>147837979
But I didn't die, I made it to Lair:2 and found remove curse

I'm about to die though

>>147839179
Just run away dude

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>>147837848
>>147838949
Your words arent getting to me! Stay positive and win some games, anons!

>>147838810
STOP SEXUALIZING AKARI

>>147839264
There's a shitton of river rats and yaks on all sides, that's why I got so close to where the hydra was on the first place

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GOD FUCKING DAMNIT I HATE VEHUMET

at least i have a fucking use for those two ice manuals now

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>>147834240
>Splat as the OP

>>147839387
>I hate Vehumet for giving me a bunch of endgame tier spells, one of which is Ice when I have 2 ice manuals and I'm on the branch were everything is slowed by ice attacks

>>147839506
Maybe it will help you LEARN.

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>>147839387
>"eclecticist" title
>spellcasting is highest skill

you're intentially playing badly to trigger rlg right

>>147840616
>Giving up while you're ahead
NEVER
I shall complete the game, and i shall make it my bitch
It may take me another 200 tries
But i WILL prevail

>>147834240
nethack news: 2 additions to devteam
http://nethack.org/#news

put this in the op or something

>>147840921
Do you know who bastard is?

>>147841217
no and unless he posts his mental disorders or pedophile cartoon show i don't care

>>147841217
A thread e-celebrity who came crawling back for more attention, as Orcs often do.

>>147838137
Thanks dude.
Do you also know if Lich-form protects from Jiyva malmut wrath, causing rottins instead?

>>147842725
well lich form prevents all malmutes, so... yes?

>>147829734
Yeah, the Ashes of Urh'Rok one, not Embers of Rage. Those demon statues... I won't say using them at low levels is a "bad idea" because the only really low-level place where they spawn is the demonic starting zone, but treat it like NetHack fountain-quaffing or something - if you do it, pray for a good result but prepare for a reroll. (Midgame or higher, feel free to use them whenever, as far as I know it can't summon forge-giants or Champions of Urh'Rok)

>>147843145
I'm reasonably sure I got a forge giant once. Looking at the code, the only restriction is that it won't summon uniques.

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Icky wield can't save the babble.

Thanks whoever discovered the forest creation trick since it makes killing the babble effortless.

>>147844943
is forest creation a spell in the nature book?
I thought you had to get it from scrolls or being an ent...

>>147845183
It is, but I used a scroll. It seems to blink away when next to you so it doesn't actually destroy the forest (or I was really lucky).

>>147841762
>as Orcs often do.
Motherfucker, I chuckled.

>>147844943
y' welcome

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Out of depth much?

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>bastard is back
>only posts when things go horribly wrong

Updated Demon pasta based on feedback. Would like a second look before I try to get it into the pastebin.

http://pastebin.com/wWZifPjc

>>147847328
Nobody cares, now fuck off fanboy cunt.

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I am incapable of making decisions. What branches should be avoided now?

>>147847671
>tfw no dicku

>>147847625
>Get to the portal at Tower:20. Winning starts a new game.
Is there seriously no end to Demon? What's the lore here?

>>147847808
Slime, Elf, Vaults, Depth

>>147847808
Elf is easy with great loot.
Vaults:$ as well.

>>147847808
Do spider > shoals > vaults 1-4 > elf if you have MR+++ > depths until you can't > vaults 5 > depths > zot

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>eternally missing

>>147847808
rPois is a must for Spider
Fly is very helpful in Shoals
Invis is extremely useful both in Spider and Shoals

Spider also tends to be much easier than Shoals.
You can't go Vaults until you have one rune.
You don't enter Slime until your character has AT LEAST gone though Vaults and Depths, and even then I feel like that's a bare minimum.
You shouldn't go Depths yet.
You shouldn't do Elf until you have decent MR. You can maybe manage the first floor only at this point, but nothing further than that.

>>147847808
Do a Lair Branch. Probably Spider. Then do depths.

>>147848039
The option of starting a new game after winning is purely for keeping track of win streaks/score.
As for the lore, well, I have no clue.

>>147848039
It's some SMT thing.

>>147848178
>>147848301
>>147848642
I have no rpois, so far just being troll wearing +7 ShDA art worked fine enough.
On the other hand I have fly and invis on items.

Actually, should I level some stealth for that armour?

>>147849224
work on getting an FDA enchanted up

stealth doesn't matter for you

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finally got around to finishing up my 2nd win, two char wins in a row. Can i beat this game without smithing? probably only with archer cheese.

Water orb OP, spammed it to survive mana temple death rays, got dropped to 66 HP, spammed spensweeds any other time

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It's so fucking horseshit farming for a lucky curse removal. Is there some easy way for early game curse removal?

>>147850314

take off everything else and pray til you make god mad.

or never put on gauntlets until you get id because most of the time it is those peace gauntlets.

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>>147850110
>stealth doesn't matter for you
Oh ok.

>FDA
Did I mention my ShDA is also slay+2?

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Most satisfying spell in the game right here.

>>147850602
I hope you have that cold weakness covered up, it'll take a single merfolk with a freezing brand weapon to ruin your day

>>147851020
What the fuck are those virtues

Mystics are actually pretty cool, they get a free quick walk and I'm hoping their crushing blow ability will kick ass later on.

>>147849224
HDA is pretty good, but how did you get it that early?
You should be fine in spider as long as you have a source of clarity.

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>>147851375
Forgot muh pic.

>>147851174
Casting daemon spells makes you evil, implemented through whatever those virtues are.

>>147851020
>sending monsters to hell is a gluttonous act
Kirby's stomach confirmed for hellish pocket dimension.

Has anyone ever won with a Troll of Gozag only?

>>147852816
4 people have.

what stat is for spells for beastmaster?

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What a fragile guy.

Best diet for an 8leg Asa?

>>147850314
Dip things into holy water.

>>147853785
An octopede assassin?

>>147854116
yes.

>>147853269
charisma

>>147853785
>>147854304
Definitely Trog or TSO

>>147838137
>be monstrous DS using UC, statue form, and worshipping Jiyva
>living the dream of being a grotesque slimy statue of some unspeakable horror
>Jiyva takes away some STR
>Haha must just be some randomness factor
>Jiyva takes more STR
>Okay that's enough I need that to kill
>Jiyva takes more STR
>Hey buddy I'm starting to run out of STR
>Jiyva takes more STR
>switch to an artefact buckler with +5 STR
>Jiyva takes me to negative natural STR, meaning that if I unequip the buckler I'll be at negative STR
>Jiyva please I'm dying I can't get any kills with 4 STR, you are killing me
>Jiyva takes away another point of STR

I am never going Jiyva again until they fix her retarded stat shuffling system

>>147854915
makes me chuckle every time

>>147854796
were you wearing a leather armor

>>147855045
Statue form melds armor so he was technically going without

>>147855045
yeah, I was wearing robes. If I wore heavy armour, I'd have to invest into armour skill and even more into transmutations/earth in order to cast statue form in chain/plate. Then that missing XP would really hurt, because casting a super good statue form isn't much better than casting a mediocre statue form, and you don't have body armour in statue form. So that's more than a whole lair branch of XP gone to just getting Jiyva to work how I want her to, when I need that XP for dodging/UC.

>>147854796
>>147855045
Yeah the type of armour you're wearing and if you have high level spells has a really large effect on it. It's pretty stupid since transmuters only really use body armour if they are using blade hands and lots of races cast spells with no particular concern for spell hunger or power.
My one Jivya game was a TeCj, I ended up with 9/37/8 base stats and I was wearing a scale mail.
If I was wearing a robe, I bet I would have gone down to 1/40/15 or something.

>>147854304
ALWAYS
WORSHIP
PAKELLAS

Welp, just did a dcss wizmode run and christ almighty the end-game is harder than I predicted. Are Hell and the Tomb supposed to feel harder than Pandemonium?

>>147855991
Hell and Tomb are harder than Pan generally, yes.
Tomb can be cheesed pretty easily, but Hell ends are generally pretty tough. Especially Dis.

By that point though your character is usually so strong that it's whatever.

>>147856153
I don't know. Tartarus felt hardest but Dis wasn't any cake walk, the evil force felt most active there. It just never let up.

>>147855991
The hells and tomb throw torment/hellfire at you like it was candy, so unless you're undead or have torment immunity they always feel like crap
Pan, being more random, allows for more enemy variation. Once in a while you get the tormentor floors and you want to kill yourself, but otherwise it's easier

>>147855991
Tomb > Hell > Pan > Slime > Zot > Abyss > 3runes

>>147856273
Since you were wizmoding it, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you don't know that the tech is to dive to the bottom of the hells as fast as possible to avoid Hell acts.

what are some low-level suitable for riding creatures? Horses suck balls, they should have at least +1 or +2 speed

>>147853891
I don't have access to an altar among other things.

>>147854796
>xer

>>147856465
>Tomb > Hell
I'm not sure about this one. Hell is a consistent oppression that you never escape. Tomb is big ambushes with decent sized breaks to rest in between I felt.
>>147856587
I figured that out about halfway through my second branch, Gehenna. I searched all up and down tartarus for loot and got nothing but pain for it. I just figured by that point there was no loot except for the vaults behind the lords and started rushing staircases.

>>147856601
>Horses suck balls
Unf.

>>147856798
You wizmoded it, you retard, you have no idea about how the difficulty of the branches actually shapes up.

>>147857027
Dude
Have you SEEN an horse's dental structure? Shit is not made for sucking

>>147856601
Horses are good til level 15-20 or so, at that point you've got trench wurms, radiant kavus, hippogriffs, griffons, and maybe a couple others available. Radiant kavus are nice because they have rBase and heal themselves.

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>>147857174
>you retard
wow there, anon. That was rude.
Did you really need to say that? Was it really so important?
Don't be a bully. Be a friend.

>>147857174
I wizmoded 50 to all stats and max levels, not much else. Its not like that suddenly makes it impossible to gauge. Its not like the moment I stepped in I gave my self full torment resist and if you take the branches in order of difficulty you would have tools to deal with everything but torment by then.

Just my opinion anyways, only affects how I take the game from then on and not you.

>>147857412
>Have you SEEN an horse's dental structure?
You don't wanna know how much I've learned about horse anatomy in the past few years, anon.

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>>147857601
I'm sure you did, but virtual experience doesn't compare to having one of those fuckers trying to bite your arm off

>>147858039
you got me there
all I know is that the horse asshole is a marvel of natural engineering

>>147857462
Yes.
>>147857551
I'm just letting you know not to rely on your impression since it is not a real game. "It's just my opinion" is not a catch-all excuse that prevents you for being called out for saying stupid shit.

I like some of the mutation reworks in DCSS. Now I"m really excited to get spit poison 3, because poison clouds are really damned strong, whereas 'spitting strong poison' that could easily miss was a dumb way to spend a turn in a difficult fight. They need to do something similar with purple draconian breath, because as it is now you almost never use it once you get into lair.

what keydo i use to throw a capture ball? cause throwing it doesnt work.

>>147858585
>because poison clouds are really damned strong,
And remember that you can use ignite poison to turn them into fire clouds.

>>147858665
"A"ctivate it.

>>147858779
tried it, says i have nothign to activate

>>147858665
you have to wield and activate

Tons of roguelike based on Tolkien rubbish, only one based on lovecraft.

>>147856601
they'll be generated with a random amount from -3 to +3 speed, so even if you're already riding one you can recruit others to see if they're faster

>>147859871
Tons of lovecraft content in tons of roguelikes, even if most are not explicitly "based on" it.

>>147859362
you must wield it in your hand first

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how to fix mountain chains

>>147859871
>only one
There's Cthangband and another one based on lovecraft

>>147859871
Because Lovecraft stories wouldn't make good games.
>oh no, the horror!
>I am literally going insane
>it will devour me soon
>how unspeakable!
>I am dead now

>>147859871
Most fantasy is based on Tolkien's work m8

>>147860259
>I have never played Eternal Darkness

>>147859871
Lovecraft only or the mythos? That is more lovecraftlike, or lovecraftlite. (stupid system with the 'each elder god is also aligned to an element (it all changed when the cthulhunation attacked)).

>>147847625
Looks fine

>>147860259
>Because Lovecraft stories wouldn't make good games.
>>oh no, the horror!
>>I am literally going insane
>>it will devour me soon
>>how unspeakable!
>>I am dead now
>I don't know most of lovecraft was about the undead and necromancy more than extra-terrestrial and extra-dimensional aliens

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>>147860238
kill em over tree tiles

also, dragon fucking mountains

>kill tons of ancient dragons
>jack shit drops
>kill that one mature dragon on your way out over mountains with no tiles for loot
>the power dragon armor dissapears, the stone of lore dissapears, the blade of chaos dissapears

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>>147860259
>oh the horror
>it's so unspeakable
>I literally cannot describe it
>it defies description
>I am going to swoon now and not even attempt to describe its physical appearance

>>147860467
Every god damned time.
Someone post the MS paint one.

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>>147860361
>mfw reading about some christfag shoehorning his black and white morality bullshit into Lovecraft's universe
>mfw this is part of the "official" mythos now
>my mfw fucking face when Cthulhu's brother "who is as good as Cthulhu is evil"

>>147859871
>infra arcana
>cthangband
there are 2

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>>147860565
I gotcha covered anon

>>147860587
according to the cthulu mythos some dude ran over Cthulu with a fucking boat and killed it
it's pretty anticlimatic

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>>147860467
>>147860714

>>147860714
Some dude ran into Cthulhu with a boat and put him back to sleep. He was wounded in the same sense that Wolverine getting stabbed would be. He wants to sleep the shit off and come back later when the alarm clock actually chimes.
>>147860587
Fucking who is so dumb they would do this?

https://new.vk com/doc-109022_137418587?dl=1d9c238efa5f50c118
Also

are there seriously no fun classes in pcb
i guess monsters look fun but dem penalties

>>147860714
Well, in the mythos, cthulhu is pretty weak. Iirc the only thing that he does is just kill everybody, with his hands/tentacles. Which is weaksauce. Real eldergods just wreck the fabric of the universe by farting around.

>>147861184
http://lovecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Kthanid

>>147860467
>>147860714
The moment I read that guy's post I knew it was coming.

>>147861420
Fucking christ, he couldn't sound more like a Mary Sue if you tried.
>Twin brother of an alien being that is impossible for us to judge based on our own morality
>somehow an objective good guy from our perspective
>hates the beings that his 'brother' preaches for
>fucking lives in 'Elysia'
>killed his family when his fucking brother is goddamn alive
>HAS MORALITY THAT CAN BE MEASURED BY HUMAN BEINGS

>>147861358
mauler is fun
ring is *fun*
possesor is fun
download the reduced xp penalties mod and enjoy *fun*

>>147861849
gib link pls

>>147862046
spoilers
it's not mpa-pcb

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>>147862226
give it anyway
just want to see if i'll like it or not

>>147862476
oh that's not him
I'm just a friendly warning sign

>>147861674
> "brother" of Cthulhu (which is doubtful, as he is an Elder God).

Not only a mary sue, but failing to understand the whole mythos.

> Yeah, he is my brother, im an elder god, he is a great old one.

>>147858585
Purple drag breath is amazing, it's the only source of buff removal in the game.

>>147863131
yara's

>>147858585
>>147863131
Not to mention that it's a decent chunk of irresistible damage.

>>147862046
>>147862476
http://www.mediafire.com/download/4fj8gezbig7i9ma/lessxpcb-5.0.0.rar

>>147864407
stop anon, i cant milk my dick anymore to more dolphin porn

>>147864587
I can't let you have it all to yourself.

Oh hey Zop is alive.
https://github.com/Geozop/Furyband
http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?p=111651#post111651

>>147863131
What if you could throw potions of cancellation? I mean, I've never found a great use for them but throwing them into Rupert's skull as he beserks would be pretty damn useful.

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>>147865338

>>147865689
Does cancellation remove zerking?

>>147865689
>Throwing potions
>Throwing anything except specific throwing-related items
Removed for being too Nethacky

>>147865793
Nope, just checked the wiki. I would have assumed it would have removed beserk if you could actually quaff it while beserked but nope. Now I'm trying to figure out why the lines are drawn where they are for the damn thing, I can't find the tendencies.
>>147866062
I know, but it could be an actual strategy. Its okay to dream sometimes, they can't take away that bloat from us.

>>147866243
Cancellation removes magic effects. Berserking isn't magical, it's physical.

>can't manually weigh importance of skills in Crawl (manual selection just splits points between skills in fractions)
>can't begin putting xp into skills until you acquire something which uses the skill
Crawl is shit

>>147866350
It doesn't remove song of slaying or Aura of Abjuration. I could understand Song, sorta, but aura is magic, straight up.

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I don't even know why I teleport anymore.

>>147867094
Pop a fear scroll and teleport again

>>147866456
While annoying gameplay-wise, how the hell would you be able to start training your ability to use a mace properly when all you have is a dagger? It makes little sense to be able to start training something when you have no method to train it.

>>147866456
>>147867557
It's pretty nice since it prevents you from making bad decisions like training the skill for a weapon you don't have.

>>147865793
you can Yara's to end berserk on enemies

but you can't quaff !cancel to end berserk because you can't eat potions

however it can purge the post-berserk slow

>>147867557
>have mace in hand
>can choose to not level maces & flails despite using it in combat
reely maeks u think huh

>>147863131
purple dragon breath often misses. If you draw a little tree diagram of possibilies, it just doesn't add up to be very good. This is obviously a qualitative argument to a degree, because finding the actual probabilities of each branch would be difficult, but in my experience the breath just misses half the time, and when it does hit, half of that half the time they just recast the buff.

>>147868102
Yeah, cause if you're not focusing on improving your technique of swinging your big heavy object around but more on where your enemies are attacking or where the weak spots in your armor are, you won't improve your technique with your big heavy object.

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>>147868191
forgot my little diagram

>cancellation doesn't remove draining

y tho?

>>147868662
>mummies get drained when removing an amulet of harm

can't believe this shit

>>147868926
Did you equip ID an amulet of harm?

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I suppose the smart thing to do would have been to recall instead of teleporting around trying to recover little pieces of my hp faster than him.

But nobody uses my healing potions and gets away with it. Except the destroyer, I guess.

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>>147869305
>-1

>>147869305
Is "you stand your ground" ever followed by anything other than "what a no bell sacrifice!!"

>>147869119
yeah, I had scrolls of remove curse, I didn't have a god yet and I was a mummy, so I'm immune to draining. What could possibly go wrong if I wore an un-ID'd non-artefact amulet. The worst thing that could happen is I use a scroll of remove curse to take off an amulet of inaccuracy. But no, amulet of harm drains mummies too.

>>147868469
If you both use a turn and cause the opponent to burn a turn how is that "inferior"? In a 1v1 situation that was damage at the cost of no time whatsoever.

>>147868926
>>147869119
>draining clouds are now puffs of purple faggotry instead of badass grimdark necrotic deathfog

i cant be doin with this

>>147869605
It's the message for resisting fear.
What a noble sacrifice is a virtue message.
So if you resist fear or die from a scary hit and have virtues turned off, yes.

>>147869671
Beause you breathe at 10 auts/breath, but your weapon attacks at .7 or less auts/attack. So if they just recast the buff, then you both used a turn, and you did less damage per aut than you would have with your weapon.

>>147869605
It's the message for resisting fear caused by low hp, so it often comes up when you're dead.

>>147869852
Weapon attacks don't make the opponent waste their turn.

>>147869918
They do if they are antimagic :^)

>>147869738
What's wrong anon? Don't you know you can't have things be too scary or horrific, the purple waves of wub fits Ereshkigal, Umbral Lady of Tartarus, far better than dark clouds of pestilence and death that drain your vary soul.

>>147870367
Man, I FUCKED up that sentence.
Period in between horrific and the
very soul*

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>>147869305
rip

>>147869918
ok, yeah, my bias did make me ignore that. But even then, it's just inferior to most other breath attacks.

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Green draconians' breath lets you take out orc warriors/priests/wizards in the early game, and lets you incapacitate the majority of enemies in late game with surprising reliability.

>>147871950
It also loses a good deal of effectiveness late game where everything has rPois and most stop using poison themselves. Then again, getting past the early game with draconians is probably the most important part.

>>147868469
Your autism is making you play bad
>>147871542
>inferior to most other breath attacks
This is patently false. The only other breath attacks that are purple tier are green breath, yellow breath, and pale breath. Everything else is shit.

>>147872760
Getting past early game is the hardest part of any run.

>>147873597
Very true, losing to damn kobolds in melee as any kind of fighter should be fucking impossible unless they got a dagger of elec, but some of the easier combos can almost ignore the early game cough MiBe

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Best feeling

>>147865338
Furyband is cool, so this is good news.

>>147874041
I play ZigSprint just for this feeling of killing draconians or toenail golems at level 1.

>>147874041
>worshipping chokuwaru

>>147874341
even qw worships oka now

>>147874643
I bet if qw wandered around wearing -6 Int ring mail which put it at stat death range you would do that too.

>>147874643
Oh man, how is QW doing? That's N7's bot, right?

>>147868469
however unlike pcb monsters don't cast spells intelligently

if you unhaste a lich it could be quite some time before it randomly chooses to cast haste again

>>147874941
qw has made huge gains in the last couple months.
It's even won two chei games.
And it's elliptic's bot: https://github.com/elliptic/qw

>>147874885
actually apparently qw might learn about stat maluses fairly soon(tm)

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Fuck

>>147875764
What level are you now?
Cause I'd go with the beneficent muts almost every time. You can always go back for the exp potions later where they'll have an even bigger effect.

>>147875087
Which one belonged to N7?
I distinctly remember one of the bots printing status messages, the most common one being FLEEEING. Man it's been a while. Its good to hear that soon actual choice will be removed from crawl and the game will play itself.

>>147874885
>stat death
removed

>>147876778
You still get really fucked for getting 0 in a stat though

>>147876574
xw is N7's bot

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Fastest win yet!
Also first Mi win.
Drops were ridiculous. Thanks papa Oka.
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/nikheizen/morgue-nikheizen-20160709-022403.txt

>>147876087
I took the !XP since the extra levels were more valuable to me at the time (I dove all of Spider and Shoals and was planning to dive all of depths and vaults).

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The lack of telepathy blows I guess but wew lad that everything else.

>>147880862
>depths and vaults
depths and zot*

>>147881125
W
E
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L
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One more level until I get stunning on my intrinsic attack. Farthest I've ever gotten a golem.

>>147882470
>Airtronach
Nice.

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not like this

>>147882470
Which golem type did you pick?

>>147883152
Sky. I'm considering giving it a minor tweak to basically undo the speed malus that gets stacked up through the mithril and eog evolutions since sky golems you encounter in the dungeon are a speed 0 monster. Might not be balanced though.

So why is Life magic bad when they have the strongest healing spell in the game?

>>147883152
a game with golems?

what is this?

>>147883148
Your ghost from your future dead self came to kill you to fulfill its own fate

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>>147861370
>Well, in the mythos, cthulhu is pretty weak. Iirc the only thing that he does is just kill everybody, with his hands/tentacles
baka senpai desu

>Then, whispered Castro, those first men formed the cult around small idols which the Great Ones shewed them; idols brought in dim aeras from dark stars. That cult would never die till the stars came right again, and the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth. The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom. Meanwhile the cult, by appropriate rites, must keep alive the memory of those ancient ways and shadow forth the prophecy of their return.

Cthulhu turning over in bed is enough to send out psychic shockwaves that wrack the artistic and unstable people of the world with hideous nightmares and visions. If he were to truly awaken, the majority of mankind would be only mildly directly affected, but enough would be driven mad to destabilize the very foundations of civilization.

Not to mention all of the Deep Ones and other aquatic creatures that would likely rise up alongside Cthulhu.

>>147883835
Because said spell is stupidly expensive to cast, they don't have very much in the way of offense (some anti-undead spells but that's about it), and the second best spell in the school is subject to dispel magic which is everywhere lategame.

>>147883835
No, anon. It's not that it's bad.
It's just that on a hybrid (the only classes which really want to pick non-offense schools like Life/Nature), you should take Nature over Life.
Why Nature?
>Herbal Healing heals 500 and is much, much easier to cast than Healing True.
A level 50 monk will have a >10% and probably >20% fail rate on Healing True, while Herbal Healing will have a <10% fail rate.
Healing heals only 300 HP and while it is easier to cast, !Healing is incredibly common.
>Nature does not need the 4th book
Nature's Wrath is shit, its spells deal no damage and are mostly resisted.
Life's best spells are in Blessings of the Grail.
>Dispel Magic > Ultimate resistance
The capstone life spell is not incredibly good when it has >20% fail and disappears in a single turn from many strong monsters

Nature's utility spells also come earlier and it has forest creation, which is just incredible.

>>147883474
They seemed like the weakest one on paper to me (breathe time versus better melee and hp or literally resists everything), but I'm not sure anyone has played one so maybe you'll find out they're secretly OP.

>>147884608
>so maybe you'll find out they're secretly OP.
I doubt it. I'm mostly doing it because I want to be a special snowflake and get that rTime.

Melee is only a 5% difference though, which doesn't seem like it should be that big.

>>147884153
Deep ones follow dagon/hydra. Why would they care about cthulhu?

Compared to the boundless daemon sultan (whose name we dare not utter) Cthulhu is nothing.

>>147885019
>Compared to the boundless daemon sultan (whose name we dare not utter) Cthulhu is nothing.
Well no shit but that's like comparing plastic explosives to a nuke. Guess what, the C4 will still tear your house to the ground and likely quite a bit around it.

>>147884153
>> Cthulhu turning over in bed is enough to send out psychic shockwaves that wrack the artistic and unstable people of the world with hideous nightmares and visions.

Well, anything that might be considered misogyny is enough to do that. So that is really a low bar.

>>147885019
>Deep ones follow dagon/hydra. Why would they care about cthulhu?
Because humanity's shit is getting all fucked up, so why not ride the wave?

>Compared to the boundless daemon sultan (whose name we dare not utter) Cthulhu is nothing.
Nothing compares favorably to the blind idiot god himself.

tfw Nyaruko doesn't have a cute Azathoth girl for me to post

>>147884468
Well what should I be taking then since I'm not a hybrid?
I just want to try this class out since they get kamehameha.

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>>147885470
wew lad

>>147885627
Mystics are kind of hybrids.

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>>147885738
Mystics don't get kamehameha.

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Holy shit I thought he would just toss grenades at me, not magically conjure seek and destroy grenade drones.

>>147885627
The force-trainer? I think they're supposed to be a hybrid since you get martial arts. Probably nature is still the strongest well it's what I picked anyway though I don't really know what this class does. Crusade looks kind of interesting except the first two books appear to be trash and I don't know how much sp you end up with late game.

>>147885681
Powered by Death is a helluva thing.

I had a Demonspawn with it go Qazlal and picked up the Shield of the Gong. I basically soloed every floor as soon as I stepped off the stairs and would stack so much regen I was basically at max health the entire time despite being entirely surrounded.

Is there a way to use the integrated toolset's prying quality to pry doors and windows? I can't figure out a way to do it without activating a crowbar.

>>147885887
I think they can also spawn mininuke hacks. :D

>>147886140
Press %

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>>147885782
>those realms
You are definitely a hybrid.

Level 50 Klackon force trainer in pic.

Hm, progressing a bit in Shadow of the Wyrm - anyone know if Medicine is acquirable ingame?

My pugilist feels like he is running out of stuff to spend points at


Skill Improvement Points Remaining: 72

Awareness: 100
Blind Fighting: 19
Carrying: 100
Combat: 100
Detection: 50
Dungeoneering: 23
Foraging: 72
Hiding: 20
Hunting: 69
Intimidation: 35
Literacy: 8
Skinning: 28
Stealth: 15
Swimming: 10
Tanning: 13

>>147886187
Thanks.

>>147886207
What do you get with the stone of life and higher wis?

>>147886207
Oh okay I actually have virtues turned on and life spell fail rates go up when you tilt away from neutral and I like virtues so that's force-trainer gone. I can do without though.

>>147886089
>with it go Qazlal
I honestly believe Qazlal is the best god. Above Oka, Trog, Gozag, Tupac, all of them. None of the others can clear an entire ziggeraut, destroy the unique pan lords, in 3 to 4 button presses. If you have the aptitudes for invocations, Qazlal will destroy all in your way.

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>>147886378
It's actually not that bad. If you had a source of easy spell it would be reliable.
Kamehameha seems kinda bad though.

>>147887143
Yeah it looks like one of those meme abilities like Demonlord.

i got burnt out with poschengband already, the grind turned out to be too much for me

someone suggest me a roguelike to play with good itemization and fun abilities, i played powder, nethack, elona, poschengband, ivan, cataclysm and crawl already

thanks in advance

>>147880862
>first Mi win
Huh. What was the first combo you won with, and why wasn't it the almighty mibbbe?

>>147887356
ADOM is pretty great, though the dev was kind of a dick in the past but he's gotten a lot better lately. If that's not your type then try ToME4

>>147887356
Sil is great, as is Infra Arcana.

And DOOMRL is fun as fuck.

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>>147887356
>good itemization and fun abilities
literally tome4

>>147887363
My first offline win was MuIE^Kiku and my first online win was OgHu^Fedhas.
I never really played Mi outside of a few MiCKs. They just seem kind of OP and boring unless you really want to go fast as hell, so not fun for beginners.

>>147883835
technically rage-mages have the strongest healing spell

when they use Shatter Device on something with healing/curing, they get 5000 hp, cure all negative status, and restore xp and all stats

>>147884051
that's poschengband

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>>147888138
>strongest healing ability in the game in exchange for like 3 blows max on a melee class

>>147888345
also it's one of 8 spells in your final book and memorizing any of them requires destroying the book. so if you want to shoot antimagic rays or learn rage strike you have to grind until you find a second and third copy of your tier-4 spellbook

luckily two of the spells in it are really shit (identify and earthquake in a 4th spellbook... just use staves?) so you only really need 6 copies to get everything good in it

>>147887867
>MuIE^Kiku
I'm probably being dumb right now but I don't see the point of kiku for Mu unless you're going for extended. He already has all the crap she proivdes except for bodies at the start of a level but with enough prep, something that mummies should always have, that doesn't even matter.
I suppose torment on command early and bodies on command late are useful but are they really so good that its not worth taking, say, sif or gozag?

>>147887143
>2% minimum fail rate
did you pick mighty or is this class just a weird exception
everything else either has 0% or 5% minfail when their casting stat is maxed

rage-mage is an interesting class in concept but it has the same problem as hexes where you're giving a school full of utility and melee buffs to a class that's awful at melee

>>147889142
Ordinary.

>>147888719
>also it's one of 8 spells in your final book and memorizing any of them requires destroying the book. so if you want to shoot antimagic rays or learn rage strike you have to grind until you find a second and third copy of your tier-4 spellbook
Oh, now I understand why is it called "rage mage".
Quality game design.

>>147889050
>unless you're going for extended
No idea where you got this from. Kiku's primary benefit during extended is torment protection, which Mu don't need at all.
On-demand torment, necro book gifting, and corpse delivery are all good reasons to pick Kiku.
Gozag would also be good if you didn't want to necro.

>>147889590
destroying spellbooks is kinda a neat mechanic but they could at least drop in stacks of 2-4

>>147887659
tutturu~

>>147886501
Qazlal is very strong used properly, I don't know why so many people rate the god as terrible or even worse than atheist. An amazing screenwide nuke, a significant constant defense boost, permanent repel missiles, a smite targeted invocation, damage clouds that can deal significant damage to a lot of enemies (Nessos killed himself in my clouds before I could hit him once).

Disaster Area is even more amazing when you can control line of sight to mostly just your enemies. In a narrow room on the orb run I was able to one shot a pair of random panlords.

Oh, but it's LOUD you say. It's like casting fireball constantly! Because no one ever casts fireball out of noise concerns, right? No one ever berserks because it's so loud.

Praise Loudjesus.

>>147890103
Well if you're going Ne, corpse drops are nice when everything disappears when you kill it. But yeah, that's what I don't understand. Everything that Kiku provides comes very quickly and a mummy already has except for corpses so it seems strange to ever pick kiku for a Mu, at least to end with it and especially as an IE.
Kiku seems like a "hit it and quit it" type god then immediately move onto someone who will give you more shit in long term for the undead races. For the living, torment protection does seem useful for sure but I don't know why he would pick her as Mu.

>>147887659
>no mention of pulsating orc vulvae

shit image tbqh

>>147890498
that's what the FINAL SOLUTION is for, anon

>>147890495
Book gifting and corpse delivery.

>>147889590
Honestly the spellbook destroying isn't even the biggest problem with playing the class. They're just bad at everything.

>>147890498
didn't that description get changed or removed

>>147890478
Pretty much, yeah. In a zigg sprint I was going up against a last room full of uniques. End game uniques. All the branch end bosses and higher tier uniques. Goddamn 4 disaster areas later and there was a Dispater and Margery left.

Loudness doesn't mean shit when lots of enemies grouped up is what you want.

>>147890696
The Orc Greatmother, owner of the many pulsating orc vuvuzelas, was long ago removed after a bunch of limpdicked shitters on SA got triggered and lynched darkgod, the developer.

>>147891042
you're shitting me
they removed the monster entirely? fuck me running

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>>147891212
Not just the monster, but also the zone in which it lived.

Pic related is the tragic tale as told by an anon more knowledgeable than I.

>>147891212
http://te4.org/wiki/Orc_breeding_pits
Basically
>i'm triggered, you can't have the evil, depraved monsters be sexual or disgusting
>this game about murdering your way through legions of dudes for one super macguffin has to be family friendly with no mature themes at all

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>>147891212
http://forums.te4.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=39890
>this thread

requesting an "orc vagina golem" race in pcb

>>147891425

>SA Complaining about things being grimdark

>Goons being SJW

I don't want to be in this timeline anymore.

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Rogue Kino:
Dwarf Fortress
Cataclysm
Unreal World
Ultima Ratio Regum

>>147891619
It's funny how they complain about something dark like that but they don't say anything about "The Mouth" which I think is something like a the dwarf expedition leader's entire mouth corrupted by chaos and turned into a giant eldritch horror. The only thing they seem to care about is the women being transformed into mutant breeder monsters. So fucking retarded.

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is there any setting i can change so i don't get barraged with --more-- prompts when i have auto_eat_chunks on?

>>147891619
Goons have been SJW light since 2013 at least. Come on man, this is current year, you should be more up to date.

>>147891619
I know anon, i know. We don't get much choice in how we roll. But we can choose where and how we take it. We take these battles as they come and leave behind those we cannot. Never look back anon. Plan for the future and revel in the moment but never seek the past except as a lesson.

>>147892181
Goons were the spearhead for that kind of stuff. They are basically the illuminati of the internet in a lot of ways. I used to be one a long time ago, but it was much different back then.

>>147891619
SA is literally the worst. It has all the cancer of 4chan, reddit, tumblr, neogaf, etc with very little in the way of redeeming qualities.

>>147891619
>I don't want to be in this timeline anymore.

TOME4 has a class for that.

>>147892697
Does it have a class that allows killing SJW vulva golems?

>>147891042
Technically it's just commented out and is trivial to re-enable. A mod was out to do just that the same day of said idiotic lynching.

>>147892171
Try easy_eat_chunks too?

>>147893097
Its the spirit of the thing, rather than the actual implication that is depressing here. Sure it can be added back very easily but the fact that it was removed at all is cause for some sadness as it means one less hobby, one less art form, is safe from the moronic or evil.

>>147894006
Nobody and nothing was ever safe from bullying, anon.

In character creation, try not to forget about a particular stat entirely. There's a decent chance this monk can survive to the point of !wis on kickpunching alone, but it's going to be annoying.

Noob here:

Been playing DCSS at work to kill time. Currently have only played MiBe and am getting the hang of things.

What are some other noob friendly builds I can try?

>>147896297
Being mediocre at everything isn't much better, since you can't be good at all four stats you need. Especially if you are a nature monk, where your early spells aren't amazing.

>>147896463
MiBe is not going to teach you good habits because of how powerful it is. But other easy combos you can try are Gargoyle Gladiator and Troll Monk.

>>147896706
Yeah, I don't really expect it to go very well. On the other hand, tonberry racials carry a lot of that weight.

>>147896463
MfTm, DrIE, GrCj, HoMo(if you are playing trunk), DDFi.

>>147889142
What?
All my monks have gotten to 2-3% fail on spells at ![Ma].

>>147896463
MuGl of Gozag.
Pick your fights carefully and get that +9 triple sword of speed and slaughter all Elves.

>>147896463

DDFi of Makhleb with axes or M&F will crush the non-extended game for you as long as you're willing to sacrifice your MP to stay alive until your piety is up.

>>147896463
VsGl^Makhleb

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Is getting rid of refresh the right idea?

I love roguelikes and I also love /rlg/
thank you for being there lads

any one know of specific roguelikes that you can put days and days into a run? something I can play an hour a day and make progress over time?

I played a lot of strategy/rts games before this

>>147901047
An angband variant, nethack. Most RLs are pretty long timewise.

>>147901187
i'll check angband out, ty.

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>>147900954
/rlg/'s a good place.

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This is atrocious.
I remember the first time I downloaded incursion and run it with wine it'd do that automatically.
What the heck.

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Well at least I can play incursion
But why would I

>>147899564
Refresh is best used by demons that don't need a lot of SP. Healers essentially get infinite use out of SP, so yeah, refresh is no good on them.

Refresh is best used on heavily passive melee fighters, or priests who are limited more by cooldowns than SP.

>>147901047

Elona if you don't mind Weeb.

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Desktop dungeons is trying to teach me maths.

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>>147904083
Cool, I'm glad I did then.

Any suggestions on things to do/good fusions/good transfers with my current party? I had heard someone mention putting Centaur's needle shot on Artemis is pretty solid.
Accidentally blorped my nero to some chindis unfortunately.

>>147904948
Does it really make sense to have regenerate on yourself? Is that for when you can't afford to be on the front lines?

What relic upgrade did you get?

>>147905443
I'm just following the advice in the pasta. It's nice being able to heal my dudes. I picked 25% reduced copy cost.

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Trying to start making a 32x32 poscheng tileset.

Here's an unfinished great hell wyrm.

>>147906059
Looks neat.

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>>147906059
>Trying to start making a 32x32 poscheng tileset.
>when there are over 900 monsters
I'm not saying you shouldn't try.
I'm just saying you'll never finish.
Also that doesn't look like a dragon at all, just a lot of fire. Where's the head?

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>>147906172
Who is this cum bum?

>>147906326
Hayao Faustzaki

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>>147906172
I'm not in any rush to finish.

It's meant to look sorta like this?

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>>147906521
>I'm not in any rush to finish.
But let's take an example.
It takes you at the very least one day to make a full tile.
There are 900+ different monsters, plus 600+ uniques.
That's around 1500 monsters.
If you work on a single tile, each day of your breathing life excluding sundays, it will take you at least five years to simply finish all the tiles.
And five years from now nobody will even know what poschengband is.

>>147906669
Don't be such a downer.

>>147906521
Looks nice.