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>>145684780

>>145684981
It's the thinking ahead meme.
Some of us know that 280 won't be the max level forever and as soon as another tree with ice damage exists, everyone will be rolling this.

It's 6 top DPS getting a cube in World Boss right?
There is some kind of damage threshold too?

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Xth for bunny girl ERP

>>145685146
Enjoy your "futureproof" build in 2020, I guess?

>>145685163
It's 6 top DPS and their party. Just finished a Earth Canceril and people were letting it damage it first. Man, if only the mafia was this nice.

>>145685231
>ERP

Just go play Second Life or something.

>>145685249
I've been enjoying it since Cryo3. But thanks.

>>145685146
>as soon as another tree with ice damage exists
Wow he doesn't even play Cryo. As expected of a retarded theoryshitter.

>>145685410
We're talking about Wiz3Cryo3, friendo. Is that your build?

Redpill me on mass heal.

Is it really just a shittier version of heal, or am i missing something?

>>145685454
Going to wager he was saying tree as in class, not Frost Pillar. Because the entire playerbase knows Frost Pillar is damageless

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Reminder that being gay is not wrong, be honest with yourself if you have doubts!

>>145685562
but i also like tiddies

>>145685541
Yes, another class tree. You have a brain whereas he does not.

>>145685562
It doesn't matter

>>145685530
It's a better version of heal. It heals more. It heals instantly. It heals whatever it hits.

>>145685495
Of course. It's the most futureproof mage build there is.

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>>145685562
is there anything wrong with being a paedophile?

>>145685541
You're just as stupid as him then because Cryo has terrible damage. None of their skills scale well for damage, Frost Pillar for futureproof CC? Try JP and HK 15 retard.

>>145685530
Mass Heal only heals 28% of HP maxed.
Heal 10 heals 50% per overheat and it has two overheat.

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> orshas still down

kickin us while we're down here IMC, not cool

>>145685850
You fucking idiot

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>>145685897
Don't worry anon Orsha will be back soon and all 6 people on it can play again

>>145685645
So you don't have a Cryo, you don't play RC as well. Keep shit posting.

>>145685803
Yes, it's wrong, turn yourself to your local authorities

>>145685784
Okay, memer.
Thanks for the laughs.

Is it possible to craft this?
http://www.tosbase.com/database/items/241120/
Looking to make a Sup version for myself but i feel it's uncraftable

>>145686029
Any time.
Remember to futureproof your builds. :^)

Is there any class that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH RUNECASTER DPS? Let alone beat it. And I’m not talking about Wiz3Cryo1Pyro1Kino1RC. I’m not talking about Wiz3Cryo2Kino1RC either.Hell, I’m not even talking about Wiz3Croy3RC with a
pocket monk3 and kino2thauma3 buffslave (with Divine Might and the maxed Swell abilities and being capable of hitting all Icewalls), equipped with his +15 Superior Corona Rod, an IceWall gem, control of the Audra weapon switching so he has lvl 19 Icewall, with a full INT Sadhu transmit prana implanted in him.

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>>145685990

EIGHT

ITS EIGHT

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Friendly reminder that we have a few spots left.

>>145685873
Heal 10 only heals that if you run over every heal tile, which is unefficient.
Mass Heal affects every target instantly.

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#313338eg.152545.112f334a5a6175.153545.112135455261.152535

how this build senpai

here we go
watch as the game turns into tera

>>145685873
Plus an additional amount and it scales with INT/SPR

The utility of Mass Heal was already discussed and proved, don't post misinfo about the skill

>>145686303
I-is it time to go back?
I don't want to go back ;-;

>Was thinking of making a Wiz3Cryo3
>Some retard here memeposts about it to trigger some autists
Thanks, now I can't make this build.

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>>145683023
>I actually stopped playing around G3, what went so wrong? I remember most of the content being unbearable to do alone because just how hard shit would hit.
>>145684821
>>145686302

>people here still think that subzero shield 10 (evne on melee only), frost pillar and snowrolling is not future proof
>people here thinks that icewall damage don't scale well

tope kek

>>145686427
You can do whatever you want. If this is enough to stop you, you're just a pussy.
Either shit or get off the pot.

>>145686167
>Heal 10 only heals that if you run over every heal tile, which is unefficient.
Not really. You already have to position yourself properly to hit everyone with Mass Heal. In that same or similar position you drop Heal squares on top of everyone.
The only utility Mass Heal has is being a burst heal in PvP.
Also it's inefficient

>>145686325
>Plus an additional amount and it scales with INT/SPR
Yeah, man. That additional 700 HP is really going to matter when everyone has 10k to 15k HP, not including swordies.

Did you forget Heal has the same additional healing except it only scales with INT?

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>>145686001
There is literally nothing wrong with being a pedophile. It's just nature.

>>145685873
Cleric Heal is not better than Mass Heal in a lot of situations.

Mass Heal is (short) ranged, faster cast time and it heals everyone in the AoE. Cleric Heal is good for single target only or for stacking heal tiles on the ground if no one's taking damage.

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>>145686526
>subzero shield
>good

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Reposting this from last thread, attribute toggle add on:

https://github.com/Mirarara/Mirarara-Tos-Addon/releases/tag/TAv1.0

>>145686574
Let's not forget that they both also scale with HP recovery.

>>145685803
>is there anything wrong with being a paedophile?

There's nothing wrong with being one, but it's wrong to act on those feelings.

>>145686694
>single target
>>145686574
>In that same or similar position you drop Heal squares on top of everyone

I really want you idiots to leave. Seriously.

You can't discuss mass heal alone. Heal 10 x mass heal alone, heal wins, but we get something else together with mass heal, that's what we must consider. In this case, stone skin + mass heal can do a lot better depending on the map

>>145686574
You drop your tiles and then people will have to run around to gather those tiny 5% tiles. In PVE, it really sucks, unless it's some kind of huge messy boss fight where everyone runs around in panic.

Heal is perfectly fine. But Mass Heal is in no way inferior.

>>145686913
Cleric Heal will give 1 (one) person 50% HP back per cast so 100% HP per over heat. Mass Heal can give 150% hp per cast. Do you even play a healer at higher levels?

>>145686827
Except for the fact that it's a defect like being gay

>>145687119
That has absolutely no impact on the ethics of the matter.

>>145686127

LVL 19 ICE WALL (divine might, gems, audra)

19 TILES, EACH TILE CAN BE HIT 38 TIMES

EACH TILE RELEASES 3 SHARDS ON HIT

EACH SHARD DOES ****DAMAGE FORMULA***** DAMAGE

19 x 38 x 3 = 2166

2166 * DAMAGE FORMULA

FULL INT LVL.280 RUNE CASTER = 650 INT
+ 15 SUPERIOR CORONA ROD = ~600 MATK (with Squirebuff)
A BUNCH OF OTHER RANDOM MATK/ELEDAMAGE SHIT= ~300
FULL INT LVL 280 SADHU 3 TRANSMIT PRANA = 650 INT

650 + 600 + 300 + 650 = 2200

RUNE OF ICE = 300%

2200 * 3 = 6600

QUICKCAST = 150%

6600 * 1.5 = 9900

DAMAGE FORMULA total = 9900 (who cares about mdef)

2166 * 9900 = 21,443,400 DAMAGE PER ICEWALL COMBO

20+ MILLION DAMAGE

>>145687041
>You drop your tiles and then people will have to run around to gather those tiny 5% tiles. In PVE, it really sucks, unless it's some kind of huge messy boss fight where everyone runs around in panic.
How bad are you?
You drop Heal tiles near where everyone is. They walk two or three steps to heal if need be.

>>145687051
>Cleric Heal will give 1 (one) person 50% HP back per cast so 100% HP per over heat. Mass Heal can give 150% hp per cast.
What the fuck kind of stupid math is this?
Mass Heal heals 28% HP maxed. If you hit all 5 people in a party you've healed 140% total HP, which is a really stupid amount to add together.
The problem is, Mass Heal is a single big heal. If one person needs to be healed, but the other don't then you've wasted Mass Heal. Heal doesn't suffer from that problem.

>>145686162
>dat buttcurve
I CAN ALMOST SEE IT, JUST ABIT MORE.

>>145687387
Wiz3/Cryo3/RC confirmed strongest build IN THE GAME!
And futureproof!

>>145686472
Shame, coop would make the game a 10/10.

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who did this?

>>145687764
It was a message.

>>145687406
They walk two or three steps and get 10% or their 10k HP noCON memebuild.

>If one person needs to be healed, but the other don't then you've wasted Mass Heal.
If you have Mass Heal, then you have at least Heal 5, which covers that situation.
It's not either Heal or Mass Heal, it's "I already have Heal, do I also take Mass Heal or do I fall for the Mass Heal is shit meme and put my points in Aspersion instead and then kys myself because I'm a huge homolord".

>>145687387
That's nice and all, but how are you hitting those walls?

>>145686162

How cute is your guild?
and how active is it?

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240-260 Please queue for missions with me! I'm almost storage range

>>145687565
I had a one of those in my mission runs before. He destroyed the boss so fucking fast

>>145687918
see
>>145686127

pocket monk3 and kino2thauma3 buffslave

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>tfw we're the world boss mafia now

>>145687890
>It's not either Heal or Mass Heal, it's "I already have Heal, do I also take Mass Heal or do I fall for the Mass Heal is shit meme and put my points in Aspersion instead and then kys myself because I'm a huge homolord".
If you're taking Priest why would you take Mass Heal?
Only an idiot would do that.
That's not even the argument here.

>>145688062
>Earth Archon
GG?
Put Ellaganos on daily 100% cube drop rate farming first.

>>145688073
Do you even play a fucking healer at 270+? A lot of your Cleric Heal tiles get wasted because people will not walk on them to get 100% HP. So far every single party I've been in is organized enough to stand close together when they take damage to receive Mass Heal. Cleric Heal is great because you can precast the skill but it's no way better than Mass Heal in terms of utility and general healing, how can you beat 5 target healing? I swear you don't even play a healer.

>That's not even the argument here.
That was the argument you mongoloid, some guy was asking if Mass Heal was good or if it was just a shitty version of Heal. Read the thread retard.

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How is /tosg/ doing today?

>>145687890
>fall for the Mass Heal is shit meme
Is this what you guys are arguing over? If you have Priest, you take points into Mass Heal. Even if you go 15/15 Aspersion as a Chaplain for Aspergillum padding with Enhance, there's no excuse not to have at least five points in Mass Heal. There is no case to be made where a Priest doesn't have points in Mass Heal. Mass Heal doesn't somehow hinder you, there is no downside to it.

This is the worst argument ever

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>>145686162

>>145688475
>A lot of your Cleric Heal tiles get wasted because people will not walk on them to get 100% HP.
How is that a problem with Heal? That's a problem with you dumbass party members.

>some guy was asking if Mass Heal was good or if it was just a shitty version of Heal
I'm aware. What does that have to do not taking Mass Heal if you're going Priest3?

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tfw no burka special costume

>be INT build with Paladin for Restoration
>every heal tiles heal for 3k+
feela good man

Is there any good reason for me not to go priest3/diev3?

>>145688891
Yeah man, over healing is definitely better than mitigating damage or increasing your party's dps.

>>145688917
Yes. It's shit.

>>145688891
>INT
>Paladin
For what purpose?

>>145689039
for cutest costume
didn't regret it one bit

>>145689027
In what way? Sounds good to me.

>>145689039
Cleric damage scales better with INT.
Nothing Paladin has really has need of STR. You only go STR if you're going Monk.

>>145687929
we have 21/25 so far, about 5 of those are inactive old members, the others are decently active.
We have people from different time zones so there's always generally a few people around night and day.

I know about the family sharing, but would it also be enough to just take the game files and create my own Tree of Savior folder in steam?

>>145689142
Nothing is cute. Everything is filled with the despair of our people. Do you not hear the cries of the fallen? They want an end to their suffering. Spill blood on your Paladin costume.

>>145689215
What damage?

>>145689179
Priest3 falls off hard late game. It literally only exists for Stoneskin, at least until we get (if we get) the kToS buff to Blessing.

By going Diev3 you're missing out on way too much from picking another class at Rank 7 for very little gain.

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>>145688554

bretty good

>>145689378
Zaibas, Cure, and Heal while soloing.

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>go to world boss
>look around you
>archers
>nothing but quarrel shooters and fletchers

nice game balance you have here in your korean game

and you wonder why people abandon this shit lol

>>145689430
>priest3
>falling off
>all of their heals are scaling to max hp

>>145689430
>By going Diev3 you're missing out on way too much from picking another class at Rank 7 for very little gain.
What did he mean by this

>>145689430
>Priest3 falls off hard late game
Play the game you sub 280 shitter.

is there any crafting classes that I can play while still being able to dungeon/quest and whatnot without it taking 5 years??

>>145686162
A comfy guild or are you only looking for high levels and serious stuff?

>>145689560
what server are you guys on ?
i want to be comfy and hunt bosses too

>>145689572
Every single Cleric build has healing that scales off of max HP. Are you stupid?

>>145689598
>Play the game you sub 280 shitter.
Show me all those Priest3's killing world bosses and going into ET, Anon.
I'll wait.

>>145689595
I think it's pretty obvious, memer.
Getting Plague Doctor, Kabbalist, or Oracle for a build is better than getting Ausrine.

>>145689786

Telsiai

>>145689647
Pardoner because you at least have heals so your party don't need to bonfire every 5 mobs.

Alchemist with Linker too I guess.

Squire is just pain and suffering.

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>IMC please fix your game
>NO

>>145689859
>Show me all those Priest3's killing world bosses and going into ET, Anon.
So if you're shown Priest 3 builds in ET, what will you do?

>>145689569
Yeah. World Bosses are always going to be "what's the most DPS", but right now Fletcher has literally no competition. There isn't a single build in the game that puts out even half as much damage.

Fletcher sorely needs a nerf. I'm okay with them having low cooldown skills, but not low cooldown skills that are as strong as high cooldown skills.

>>145689961
The only use for Priest in ET is for Revive, and you only need one circle for that.
Any extra is a waste for an ET build.

But, go ahead. Show me.

>>145690001
They should offload the Fletcher damage into a dot so they can suffer the stacking class issue like the rest of us.

>>145690096
Answer what you will do, anon

>>145689859
Wasn't sure if he meant to say he wanted to go Cleric1 Priest3 Diev3. Sounds too snowflaky to me. Might still be good in PvP though.

>>145690001
>Rogue
Also, I'm pretty sure the WB now is about who did the WB spawn on.

>>145690001
>Fletcher sorely needs a nerf.
Fletcher's hot trash on anything that isn't a world boss.

>>145690001
I'd put ma to 10s

>>145690001
>Fletcher has literally no competition
Rogue can do it.

>>145690234
So? They're the ONLY class you can use to DPS in World Bosses. That's unbalanced.

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Is digging worth investing in?

>>145690334
>>145690195
>Rogue
Because of a bug, not by design. It also takes them a ton of preptime and is easily counterable. As in, you can entirely negate or even steal a Rogue's contributions with several different skills.

>>145690352
If you nerf them then they'll turn into a worthless class.
It's be ultimately better to just allow other classes to have better world bossing ability.

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>>145690234
No they aren't you fucking retard.

Fletcher and QS need big nerfs.

People already quitting this garbage.

You still going to drone this retarded shit?

Is this how fucking retarded /tosg/ is and how hard they will drone stupid shit like Fletcher is fine, QS is fine and Elementalist is fine?

Is this the same fucking group of niggers and doomposters who exploit and got banned for illegal addons?

>>145690352
You can use other combos everybody is just aping the mafia.

>>145690352
So your solution is to take the only thing they're good at and nerf it into the ground.. so that... they can be good for absolutely nothing? By that logic Chronos should be nerfed to the ground as well, seeing how absolutely necessary they are for world bossing as well.

Class balance wisdom according to /tosg/, folks.

>>145690432
Dig is only good to macro overnight and even then you'd make ten times as much money sorc botting instead

>>145690432
Digging is where the real shekels come in.

>>145690432
It would be if you knew all the secret digging spots, but no one who knows those locations shares them for obvious reasons.

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>go to cerb/crab/archon as a guild
>whole guild spread out across the map
>cryo finds the most populated rooms
>boss spawns
>cryo ice wall them all
>templar teleports to the member closest to wb
>summons the rest
>cube secured
>mad archers and wizards trapped in ice wall

>>145686808
Thanks Comfy team.

>>145690234
World boss is where all the profit and fun is.
Best fletcher variant has scout, so it can be viable for structured pvp once it's out.

What is there besides that? ET is a meme in which ALL archers are bad besides the exploit SR meme so it doesn't really matter if you're a fletcher or not.

240 dungeon? Fletcher can do that with no problems. And once you get the pieces you need you never run it again.

240 missions? Fletcher can solo them with ease. And these become more relevant with the new upgrade they added that can only be done with new mats from those missions.

Farming? Fletcher is better at farming anything with 50k+ HP than the farming class archers like qs3 or scout 3 because those are better suited to low HP mobs.

There is literally no downside to a fletcher.

>>145690558
QS is shit dude
do you even play the game retardo?

Fletcher needs nerfs though, and elememe needs its skill rebalanced so its not just FROSTCLOUD ; The Class

>>145690558
Tell how Fetcher and QS are overpowered.
Seriously, I'll wait. This will be funny.

>>145690432

No.

Digging is solely used for combustion, which is a broken ass shitty DPS skill.

I've leveled digging and tried all around the game, every dungeon, every location, every surface that looks like it could have something.

There are no secret locations at all. /tosg/ is retarded. You will never use this skill.

The whole archer tree should be deleted tbqh. What do they even add to the game.

>>145690845
They're the only physical DPS class.

>>145690787
>>145690791
play the game

>>145690828
t. Alchemist swimming in money from Dig.

>>145690558
>wahhh I rolled an absolute shit build without doing any research and now I want everyone else to pay for it

Chronomancers are just as necessary for the world bossing meta. Shouldn't they get huge nerfs too, Wise Nerfmaster of /tosg/? Why aren't you crying about them?

Oh, that's right. Because you know next-to-nothing about the game or its meta, so you just latch on to easy targets like Fletcher. You sub-240 Swordshitters are a dime a dozen. It's painfully easy to spot you.

>>145690771
>Best fletcher variant has scout, so it can be viable for structured pvp once it's out.
Fletcher is garbage for PvP. Try again.

>ET is a "meme" so you don't get to count it

>240 dungeon? Fletcher can do that with no problems.
So can everyone else. That doesn't mean Fletcher is good at it.

>240 missions? Fletcher can solo them with ease.
So can a million other classes.

>Farming? Fletcher is better at farming anything with 50k+ HP than the farming class archers like qs3 or scout 3 because those are better suited to low HP mobs.
And? There are better farming classes.

>>145690558
>QS
is crap at 'endgame'

>>145690969
>play the game
stop being low lvl

>>145690993
play the game retard

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Instead of nerfing classes... why don't they buff swordsman to be on par!

>>145690234

>fletcher hot trash

Top kek,

>joint penalty
>magic arrow
>everything dies

Heck, Magic Arrow deals SO much damage you can kill a mob of 5 monsters as fast as any other aoe class bar elememe

>>145690516
>It's be ultimately better to just allow other classes to have better world bossing ability.
Why is it that fucking EVERYONE thinks that "buff everyone else" is a good way to balance anything these days? There is ONE insanely overpowered class. Nerf that class. This isn't an issue with other classes being too weak. This is an issue with one class being too strong. Every other class is at a roughly equal, acceptable level, and Fletcher is a satellite in orbit above them.

>>145690516
>>145690596
You know that you don't have to nerf them into the fucking ground, right? You can nerf them down to the level of the other fucking classes, yes? They'll still be good at world bosses, just not the ONLY FUCKING CHOICE FOR DPS.

My god. I have a fucking Hunter, I'm literally worthless against anything that isn't flying, or large groups of enemies. Boss isn't flying? I do zero damage. But I'm OP as fuck in PvP, especially 1v1. Would I bitch and complain if they nerfed me in PvP? No. Because I understand that Hunter is REALLY FUCKING STRONG in PvP.

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>>145691102
play the game retard and stop shitposting

>>145691094
>Fletcher is hot garbage at ANYTHING other than World Bosses
>Actually they're still really good at farming high HP mobs
>So? They're not the BEST at it.

>>145691217
thats linker anon, everything with a linker is tip top

>>145691239
>Why is it that fucking EVERYONE thinks that "buff everyone else" is a good way to balance anything these days?
That's not even what I'm saying. Why don't you calm down instead of making these reactionary statements.

>>145691094
>Fletcher is garbage for PvP. Try again.
>he doesn't

>So can everyone else.
That's the point. Fletcher is the absolute best at one thing, and it's just as good as everyone else at everything else. There is no "And?" Like I said, it has no downsides.

>>145691281
>cropped screenshot i found on pleddit or forum
play the endgame

>>145691408
You need to learn to spot posters by their habits

>>145691354
>>Actually they're still really good at farming high HP mobs
They aren't, though. Fletcher AoE is trash.

>>145691406
>and it's just as good as everyone else at everything else.
No. They aren't. Are you really going to argue that Elememes do the same AoE damage as a Fletcher. Seriously?

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/Ohayou/ when?

Nerf Fletcher to Sadhu level.

>>145691392
Well sorry then. Whenever I see something I even remotely interpret as "buff everything else" I just start seeing red. It's this stupid trend idea that's popped up in recent years and for some reason everybody thinks that it's THE way to do things.

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>>145691589
Bullies when

Just wait for world bosses changes from kToS
All Fletchers will get fucked hard.

>>145691530
Who cares when Wiz3/Cryo3/RC stomps both?

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>>145691589
soon !
my swordman is already lvl _1_

>>145689905
how is linker for questing? do you just grab up a few mobs, link them, and just focus one down?

>>145691589
TakeItEasy is /Ohayou/

>>145691658
This.

Would fix this game.

However it's too late to gain more players.

Game is dead.

No joke.

You think there's bouncing back from 9000 players? LOL?

Fletchers are fine, that's why there's 30 of them on every world boss LMFAOOOO PLEBBIT PLAY THE GAME XDDDD

/tosg/ truly is retarded

>>145691530
>They aren't, though. Fletcher AoE is trash.
They're better than most of the other classes in the game. What else can even compete? Elememe? A few other Wizard classes? Pure STR Doppel?

>>145691983
>What else can even compete? All these builds I listed???
You're an idiot.

>>145691983
>What else can even compete? Elememe? A few other Wizard classes? Pure STR Doppel?
AoE?
All of them plus Sap2Wugu2Cannon are better.

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>>145691798
No it's not, silly anon.

Did they fix the netcode or are Koreans still assuming everyone lives with a fiber optic cable jammed up their asshole?

>>145689720
Always comfy, just looking for active and possibly chatty, but I understand some people are shy.

>Wiz3/Link2
since I built a support character, what class should I choose next? alchemist looks promising

>>145691739
it's not great if you're solo, much better with pyro so you have some damage to deal on those linked mobs. if you have a questing buddy you could go full linker and be loved.

>>145692086
>>145692142
So there are like five builds which are better than Fletcher at farming high HP mobs, and you call them hot garbage at it.

>>145692234
Most people end that with Alchemist.

>>145691983
The best AoE skill most Fletchers have is Barrage from Ranger1-3. Crossfire is hot garbage and costs ridiculous amount of SP for how little damage it does.
Literally anyone can compete with them for AoE DPS, even the worst swordsman builds outdo them on AoE.

>doing dungeon
>hunter keeps going off on his own killing shit
Why do they do this? Every time its a hunter.
I get it your class is bad but dont make everyone else suffer because you do.
Do they want to be in control because they cant control their pets?

>>145691658
Rise Magic Arrow cd to 30 seconds
Done

>>145691658
Magic Arrow is now a 30 second cooldown with 2 overcharge.

Barrage is a 30 second cooldown with no overcharge.

>>145692234
>wiz 3
>link 2
so you built a completely useless character thats "futureproof"?
Wizard 3 has quick meme but you have zero damage, link 2 is garbage as its link 3 or link 1 + gem.

At least you can make it an alchemist so its not completely worthless but I just hope I never get into the same mission party as you anon since you would be pretty useless.

>>145692312
Don't exaggerate. Fencer cannot match their AoE

>>145692329
Because they do lots of damage... but only to single target.
If they stay with the group they contribute next to nothing so I guess they figure they'll run off and do their damage that way... I guess?

Well, they do a lot of damage to flying mobs anyway.
It's why I love having a linker and some flyers around.

>>145692307
But Fletcher is garbage for everything but boss killing.

>>145692307
>So there are like five builds
Elememe, a number of Wizard builds that take Warlock, Sap2Wugu2Cannon, Scout Rogues, Doppel2, Any archer build that takes Falconer with Archer3 or Musketeer/Cannon.

There's probably more. Shut up.

>>145692234
Wiz 3 Linker 2 Necro 2 is a meta build.

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What if IMC released a big apology with the announcement that they're going to revamp the game to be a party grinding treasure hunt adventure for hundreds of levels through all the zones with minimal questing and a focus on player/guild housing?

>>145692556
too late

game is dead

bury it yet

shoot KIM

>>145692525
>Falcon/A3
>better than fletcher
You're insane.

>>145692556
What if IMC kept the game as is

>>145692307
Basically anything that ends in Warlock has good AoE. You left it vague, but that's several wizard builds that end with that one class. There would be more builds eligible if cooldowns weren't an issue.

Tree of Savior needs Circle respeccing and removal of consumable items that are needed to use skills.

What is this, 1990? Consumables adds nothing to the game besides an annoyance, why do you think Archer classes eventually started to have unlimited ammo as RPG games modernized? Because it's not *FUN* to have to stock up on dumb shit just to play when some other class can run in swinging with no prep needed.

While we're at it, remove SP too, manage resources is an antiquated mechanic and every game should be Cooldown based only from now on.

>>145692660
A3 and Musketeer with Falconeer is great. Removing the AoE ratio penalty on Covering Fire and Multishot gives you really good AoE.

>>145692709
Well it dies. We're already at the threshold of hell. Just go with the scenario.

>>145692730
>Tree of Savior needs Circle respeccing
Fuck you. Whales don't need an even bigger advantage.

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You do realize this game won't die.

It's already dead. You're playing with the corpse.

>>145692730
That's just remove HP and healing too. When you get hit too much your screen can go red and you just need to avoid hits for awhile until it goes back to normal.

Fuck off, your ideas are everything wrong with modern MMOs.

>>145692786
Not him, but could you explain why you'd take A3 instead of A2/R1 for that build?

>>145692730
>While we're at it, remove SP too, manage resources is an antiquated mechanic and every game should be Cooldown based only from now on.
I like SP. I think it honestly needs to be more meaningful. Right now it's just an annoyance. SP potions are too good, your pool is too low, everything's just a bit off. All you end up doing is being pissed off until you can afford to buy 1000 Alch. SP potions and then you just hit that key every once in a while. It's dumb.

Imagine that Meteor did 20x as much damage but drained 1000 SP per cast, and there were no condensed SP potions. Imagine how that would change the game. You'd actually need to care about using your resources properly.

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So what kind of crazy potions do you think Alchemist C3s will be able to make?

>>145693068
More hits with Multishot which scales amazingly.

>>145692507
Cant you do damage to the group we are killing?
Running off far ahead or in another direction is retarded for the reason you gave.

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Where can I get my hands on this fine American Gaycat?

I liked the "uymmy dic" meme but nobody has posted it in months.

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>>145693021
The game is alive and cute!

>>145693263
Died in the Orlando shooting. Sorry.

NEW PLAYERS WHEN

>>145693026
Now you're just being an extremist and not thinking clearly. HP and healing is fine, but they could throw in some Pizza pies that drop randomly on monster death that heal you up when walking over them to minimize downtime. You need to always approach game mechanics from a "how can we minimize downtime as much as possible" standpoint.

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>Swordsman have no damage they say

Just wait until I get my hands on this bad boy

Quick! Post cute!

>>145693191
But doesn't having barrage and steady aim instead of 5 more hits on multishot do more for you?

>>145693295
ye, i liked that one too

>>145693390
what a fine nippon sword

>>145693390
>Patch Notes
> - Added transparency to copypasta image

>>145693026
>When you get hit too much your screen can go red and you just need to avoid hits for awhile until it goes back to normal.

>ToS actually does work this way

>>145693386

>t. ADHD-ridden autist

Go see a psychiatrist to solve your attention-span issues millennial faggot.

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>>145693137
Love potions!

>>145693424
No. Barrage falls off hard late game, and Steady Aim is bad in iToS. They nerfed it too hard without buffing other things Ranger has.

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>>145693405

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>>145693769
>Barrage falls off hard late game

>>145693769
>20% more damage is bad

>>145693825
Please actually play a Ranger past level 90.

>>145693882
But level 15 multishot does over 50% more damage compared to level 10.

>>145693882
It's 20% more damage for 10 seconds every 25 seconds.
Yes. It's bad.

>>145694064
but muh Melstis!

>>145693919
I could say the same to you. Barrage is always useful, the sheer number of hits it does is assurance of that.

>>145693919
Not him, but even with just R1 in my build barrage is still pretty decent at 270. More so as a single target filler on plate/ghost, but it does the job in grind parties.

>>145694064
That's 8% more damage on average against bosses. People spend millions on attributes for 8% more damage. That's basically 20% more damage period when farming or doing dungeons, since nothing should take much longer than 10 seconds and the cooldown is up by the next group.

>>145693670

I've been playing games before your sissy Dad was trapped into raising a shit-for-brains kid such as yourself, I know exactly what makes a good game. Go play Diablo III to see how you do an Action RPG correctly.

>>145694182
>the sheer number of hits
lol
I love idiots like you who don't look at cooldowns and damage scaling.

>>145694263
Barrage isn't bad, but extra points into Multishot is better.

>>145694314
That's 8% damage when you could get a lot more damage by just taking a circle in another class and using another skill.

>>145694404
It's only 18 seconds CD with 3 overheats. That's BETTER than Multishot, retard.

Whats the average hp of monsters at 260+ grinding spots?

>>145694490
>That's BETTER than Multishot, retard.
L O L
Multishot at 15 hits 16 times and has 2 overheat meaning it hits 32 times in total.
It has a cooldown of 14 seconds.
Try again.

>>145694590
But you're talking about only getting 5 hits.
Meaning 10 hits because of both overheats.

>>145694590
17 with quick charge

>>145694518
See for yourself: http://www.tosbase.com/game/world-map/1841/

>>145686162
Still slots?

>>145694669
What are you even talking about?

>>145694675
I forgot about that attribute changing the cooldown. That doesn't really change my point, though.

>>145694728
lmao, so it's like truffles?

great fucking scaling
whats the point of having truffles and plants have so much hp then, couldn't they have made a better transition than giving 220 monsters the same hp as 260 monsters?

>>145694518
The average doesn't matter because you'll have half of the mobs with 80k+ HP and half with like 8k or something. The average means little when the standard deviation is huge.

>>145694847
Are you too stupid to follow your OWN argument?
You're talking about 1 circle of archer vs 1 circle of ranger.
Barrage is better than 5 points in multishot AND you get Steady Aim.

>>145694859
They vary. Truffle and plant HP isn't too bad when you realize they're a special case. You go into the next map and meet Blue Spion Archers, for example, and they have like half the health of a Green Corpse Flower. Then you go through several maps without enemies match a flower. Then head to Evac and suddenly it's Truffle and flower HP again.

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>forum feminists demanding a male version of bunny costume because it's sexist

>>145695161
>boys in bunnygirl outfits
i wouldn't say no

>>145695161
Give me a butler costume

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>>145695161
>it has a bulge

>>145694945
>You're talking about 1 circle of archer vs 1 circle of ranger.
No. I'm not. What the fuck are you on about?
We're comparing A2R1 to A3. Look again.

>Barrage is better than 5 points in multishot AND you get Steady Aim.
You don't just get 5 points in Multishot when going A3. Stop being stupid.

The whole argument was about getting A3 with Falconer for AoE. Barrage is garbage for AoE since you don't hit every target with all five shots.

>>145695252
>>145695261
fuck off literal faggots

>>145695260
This

>>145695273
Multishot's AoE size is smaller than my dick.

>>145695371
Cute

>>145695371
It's bigger than the point where all 5 arrows of Barrage hit by far.

>>145695338
fuck off liberal faggots

>>145695260
kToS will get it but we won't so what's it even matter

>>145695485
I believe in IMC. Not much, but I believe that they'll give the international version a butler costume if they ever add one

>>145695449
>It's bigger than the point where all 5 arrows of Barrage hit by far.
So you've never used ranger then, I see.

>>145695579
>Korea gets all those neat costumes
>We get flowershit
I have zero faith

>>145695581
I've played Ranger and have someone who plays a Ranger3 and regrets it.
Try again.

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>>145695338
nothing wrong with liking a bulge anon

>>145695716
Either way, your build would be better as A2R1 than A3. The numbers don't lie.

>>145695728
>Programmers
What did he meme by this

>>145695728
how can i be like them? pls

A2H1 is where it's at.
I love my retarded pet.

>>145695863
Hunter is a literal meme mounting meme class with meme skills and meme bugs.

>>145695728
>Heart isn't in the lines
Wow nice programming lmao
0/10

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I can't do this anymore.

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>>145695716
>ranger 3
>regrets
what a fucking lie

>>145695908
>Hunter
>mounting
u wot?

>>145695787
>The numbers don't lie.
What numbers? The ones coming out of your ass?

The only build that should bother with Ranger over Archer is a Fletcher since Magic Arrow outdoes Multishot by far, and you need some form of AoE since Fletcher's is garbage.

>>145695959
>what a fucking lie
This isn't kToS.

>>145695996
>Doesn't mount his memes
Pretty shitty hunter.

>>145696021
15 hits over 18 seconds vs 10 hits over 14 seconds
Oh and the 15hits over 18 seconds also comes with a 10% damage buff.

Totally worse... in no way whatsoever.

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>>145696085
Hunter pets are NOT for mounting!

>>145696203
>15 hits over 18 seconds vs 10 hits over 14 seconds
Are you still this stupid?
Level 15 Multishot is 32 hits.
Archer3 also get Twin Arrows, since you're obsessed with single target boss damage.

I don't know how one person can be so fucking stupid.

>>145696203
>That 15 hit damage is a fucking joke, literally shit damage scale, and it's a charge skill which is EXTREMELY BAD
>Barrage got decent damage and can deal bigger AOE than Multi Shot

>>145696415
You don't LOSE the other hits from multishot you retard.
A2R1 does not lose the ability to do a Lv10 multishot.
A2R1 does not lose the ability to do a Lv10 multishot.
A2R1 does not lose the ability to do a Lv10 multishot.

I REPEAT, YOU CAN STILL USE MULTISHOT AS A2R1

>>145696456
All true as well.

>>145696542
>You don't LOSE the other hits from multishot you retard.
I'm aware.
You also gain 10 hits and 69 damage AND Twin Arrows.

>All true as well.
None of that is true and the first statement is a strawman.

>>145696308
shes way to big for that poor little penguin

>animal cruelty
reported to PETA

>>145696725
Yes, those 10 hits vs 15 hits of Barrage... AND steady aim.
Now we're back to >>145696203

>>145696854
And 6 hits from Twin Arrows on a 7 second cooldown.
Is this really that hard to understand?

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>>145697003
>Twin Arrows
Oh wait... Archers got 0 COOLDOWN Oblique Shot on the first circle and it hits 2 times

>>145697003
Oh, that twin arrows that you'd never use because you are already cycling between so many CDs on short timers anyway? The same one that's ONLY relevant on single targets whereas Barrage shines on single targets but can be used in AoE as well..? Oh.

>>145697003
>twin arrow
>good

>>145697217
>>145697225
I love you idiots who came in late.
You do realize that you're taking Archer3 with Falconer, right?

>>145697272
That's not the argument, retard.

>>145697003
>This is the same guy who argues with every other class discussion even though he doesn't even play the game
So easy to spot.

>>145697407
A2R1 is still better with Falconer.

>>145697447
>le play the game meme xDDD

>>145697567
No. It isn't.
In AoE situations? Maybe, but that only assumes you're hitting every target 5 times with Barrage, which doesn't happen.

Single target A3 beats out A2R1 by far.

>>145697845
Falconer is a garbage class anyway, who cares?

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>>145697807
>Koreans get all this lewd and awesome stuff
>We get STAFF_John having a laugh naming bugs that they're taking months to fix

>>145697920
>Falconer is a garbage class anyway
Thanks for the memes.

ask a ranger3 anything

>>145697845
>Single Target A3 Beats out A2R1
In your dreams.

>>145697984
STAFF_John is the hero we need!

He's going to make everything better!

>>145697984
yo nigga. dont shit on IMC_Johnny. hes a bro

>>145697845
A2R1 already wins and if you party with a Rogue it gets even more embarrassing for the A3 due to the interaction between feint and barrage.

What is the ebst build for Sword + Shield play? I want to be useful as party member

>steam overlay still doesn't work
Fucking hell

>>145698370
Cleric

>>145698370
Sword Pelt3 Rode3

>>145698372
But it does?

>>145698005
Do you have a lover?

>>145697845
>Single target A3 beats out A2R1 by far.
How? Didn't you say this build has musketeer in it? Steady Aim on any musketeer skill is already better than anything A3 brings to the table...

>>145698370
Sword 2, Barb 3, Squire :^)
Trust me anon, this is the best support build.

>>145698005
Are you me?

>>145690001
World Boss Mafia here, fletchers are old news. Everyone wants a thauma with reversi now

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Hey guys, Aias on the market for 150k. Klaipedo server only!

>>145698558
The modifier on multi-shot is quite good, but r1 ranger is still better because barrage is just not what most people think it is.

R3 is incredible, but A3 is almost entirely a waste because kneeling shot is garbage later.

>>145699048
And soon they'll want Wiz3/Cryo3/RC... just you watch.

As someone who actually has 2 archers over 200 with entirely different build paths it's really, really easy to pick out which of you haven't played the paths you're talking about.

Red flags someone doesn't know what they're talking about:

1) Acting like barrage (even with feint) is strong past 250. Even with whaled gear it really isn't.
2) Acting like Fletcher can kill anyone in our current form of PVP, where Dispellers completely disarm their only PVP skill. This'll change in arena, but arena isn't working, now is it?
3) People acting like Steady Aim is a significant bonus to anything except Rogue stacking, where it actually matters. It affects pole of agony, frost cloud, etc. But that's the only time anyone actually uses it.

>>145698526
yes, this guy >>145698839

>>145698839
yes :^)

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>>145699148

Patsch here,
i'm in a bit of a pickle won't be making it in a reasonable time home today for 217

run it without me or whatever

peace out

>>145699229
>200+ archer
>still don't know how barrage works to do damage with it

Embarrassing. I bet you don't know how full draw works either.

>>145699229
Sounds like you're just bad at the game tbqh.

>>145699325
Fuck you.

>>145698590
Are you misinfoing

>>145699421
Sword 2 is actually not viable for any situation, so yeah, should have been a dead giveaway.

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We're in the neglected international version of a korean theme park MMO that doesn't have any of the staff or resources to get away with being a theme park MMO.

We're triple damned.

>>145694056
>>145694165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VZ-Awki-GU

>>145699229
>1) Acting like barrage (even with feint) is strong past 250. Even with whaled gear it really isn't.
Oh yeah man, 60k damage on 18 seconds CD is totally bad. And I'm not even that well geared so I'm sure it'll only get better.

>>145699472
Nah bro, you're just bad. It's okay.

Probably why your archers are getting steamrolled in this PVP event so hard.

>>145699647
>60k damage over the 4 seconds required to stand still and barrage 3 times is good for a 250+ archer
Found one!

>>145699573
>Sword 2 is actually not viable for any situation
NOW you're misinfoing.

>>145699229
Fuck off Rance

>>145699647
>60k damage
Are you fucking kidding me?
Even with 1000 effective attack, a full STR build, you're doing around 24k on Dullahan with Feint+Barrage.

>>145699573
Sword 2 got stun skill and more damage buffs, now tell me which other circle got stun early?

>>145699740
>thinking I'd play on kekpedo

>>145699802
Literally who?

>>145699776
Sword2 is a mistake. If you see any of these class choices:
Sword2
QS2
Wiz2
Cleric1
Ranger2
then you have yourself a good build

>>145699840
>he doesn't level his attributes

Archers are the worst posters

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How do you deal with the boredom inside item dungeons?

>>145699904
Cleric :^)

>>145699932
You do that kind of math with attributes since attributes are just percentage modifiers placed at the end of a damage calculation.

Even with max attribute, which is pretty much impossible for most people right now, Barrage will only do 50k in that situation.

>>145700064
I always just take potion mats with me, sit in a corner crafting, and watch animu

>>145699840
At 305 Str, my 5 hits of barrage crit for 2500 each (I'm not max level).

That's 37500 since its overheat is 3.

So, depending on the mob (if it's weak to missile), I can see that. I don't have max attributes either.

>>145700064
Play Overwatch

>>145700161
That's assuming you crit, Anon.

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How do I explore the missing piece in the middle?

>>145700251
Considering I have a Zalciai slave, I don't think critting will ever be a problem.

>>145700064

Listen to Katzenberg's sad stories about the crap that happens in his life.

>>145700324
Be Kino, cast teleport.

>>145698520
Except it doesn't. I've reinstalled both steam and the game.

>>145700324
You don't.
The only way to get there is to exploit Psychokino's Teleport skill.

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I just logged on, and then I see

>Shield Bash: CON not changing after getting hit by Rodelero's 'Shield Bash'.

Oh baby. OH BABY.

I always thought this was intended. I mean, being able to away FULL CON people back to sub 8k life with a single skill is just too good.

And you know what's the best part?

>kTOS Patch notes 09/06/2016
>Rodelero
>Shield Bash: This skill is now a level 2 Debuff. ( Previously level 1)

That's right bitches, Dispellers and Bloodletting won't counter it no more. I'll be able to deal with full CON builds now.

I am glad I didn't drop this class.