/rlg/ - Roguelike General

Awoo owayoo etc

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Down with the fat bastard dictatorship!
Praise Coolthulu!

>>>145460793
I think he collected the 3D stuff moneyz but yeah, a really great guy, i talked to him on IRC (back when he was active there...). Kevin sometimes does the build fixes and mostly does smart ass comments about stuff that are not in his liking. I consider him a real pain in the ass. Rivet on the other hand does 1 pull per month (at best and its probably crap).

Whales started but i dont think he was any better, a long history of lazy ect. devs. All that has a very detrimental effect on the game.

>C:DDA
>drive in the middle of a bushy forest
>"HEY! I WANT TO TALK TO YOU" behind a tree
>hit the handbreaks
>skid into the fucker and manage to somehow get more speed
>-100 mood for killing an innocent
>seatbelt breaks
>hit tree at 50mph
>get thrown around my boxcar
>break my legs, arms and nearly torso
>get ambushed by 5 wolves who get turned into giblets with a trusty shotty which I am somehow still holding
>STARVING
>try to craft wooden spike
>character doesn't feel like doing so because sad
>eat raw meat
>get every parasite in the fucking game
>crawl towards nearest inhouse
>fall asleep on the shitter
>wake up in the morning
>there's a chicken walker behind the door
>hit it
>blows up, crashes outhouse on me
>still alive
crawl, not even once

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>>145461460
Whales is and has always been a hack.
And a fucking disgrace.

>>145461410
everybody... Coolthulhu

C C C...

btw one of my fav movies

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>>145461634
>movies

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What's with /rlg/ and its fascination with 1984?

>>145461790
acquired taste. Now with 20% more chocolate ration.

>>145461790
Pretty poor book, or rather good until Orwell starts fleshing out the world with his terrible understanding of politics, society, government etc.. Then again the memes it's spawned are pretty decent due to cherrypicking the OK content.

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First for Cheibriados, King of the Castdudes, Wearer of CPA, Consumer of the fabled Pandemonium Pizza, Lifter of Weights and Reader of books, Best God of the Ecumenical Temple and Brother of Slugs. Long may he remind you to take it easy.

https://github.com/CDDA-MP/Cataclysm3-LCC

lol, not again.

>>145462048
Should've had more explicit sex scenes.
I could barely jack off to it.

>>145462121
For you my friend i suggest Gaspar Noe.

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>>145462085
A true example of taking it easy.

>>145462234
Why?
Does he give good head?

>>145462107
>a chinese successor of cataclysm 2

haha holy fucking shit that's gonna be so bad

>>145462234
Anon, you dick.

http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_Angband_variants

Some extreme amount of choice... wich one /rlg/? Maybe top 5...

>whats with the fucking storefronts...

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>>145462107
>real time system
>real time multiplayer

haha
yeah no
>>145462234
enter the void was pretty shitty, I don't get why anyone would think otherwise.

>>145462448
>click the link to Chengband
>page has a link to essay-selling site just in the middle of the contents

>>145462331
Maybe, or probably since hes fascinated with throbbing Gristle.

>>145462462
it was okey for me, but i can say his first two movies where better, yes.

I really wish someone starts a new Cataclysm project, a good one for a change. I would like to see Kevins face if someone does better. He would probably end up like Whales.

>>145462834
>I would like to see Kevins face if someone does better.

back when whales was working on cata2, he was smug as hell, because even though he did take the blows whales threw at him (lmao 0zlevels), in the end he was the last man standing and could say that whales was just a hack. Actually, the fucker got MORE because of it, because HE looked like the underdog.
A proof that whales can't do anything good in any way.

>>145462462
Next:
Cataclysm 4: NYF (New York Furries)

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>>145463152
I'd play that.

>>145463304
>''the world has gone mad, Zombies and various beasts are not your problem. Bandit furries rage in the NY wasteland, raping and molesting poor animals on their way. There is no hope, they are comming -Survivour's diary last page''

i bet you would anon, i bet you would.

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>>145461723
>reading books

>>145463632
>Cataclysm 4: Escape from New York
I'd be down.

>>145463632
>cumming dragon dildo modified as an acid gun
>diaper armor
>'e'xamine npc -> 'o'ral sex
>can mount dildo on a vehicle seat to receive morale bonuses while driving

>>145461128
>Not adding the ToME or HoM news to the OP

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>tfw summer
>tfw Tuesday evening
>tfw mpa-PCB 4.0.1
>tfw no beer

>>145463876
and i thought my ideas are deviant.

>>145463831
>escape from
Well the game would actually have a goal, its a start.

>>145464037
Kill the furry president and escape. Easy.

>>145461128
lol i didint even notice that you put his (gods) avatar.

praise.

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>The thief flees laughing!

I'LL LAUGH ON YOUR GRAVE YOU MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

>>145464980
now now anon, he has to feed little thiefs. His task is a roguelike quest on its own.
Kill him... but with respect.

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>>145464980
>That DD who got his HW wand stolen a few threads ago
Incredible.

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>>145465408
its going to be a great movie...

>>145465594
You what?

Please rate my roguelike game I made for a school group project. It's made for a software company that plans to make it into the next big ESPORTS game. You can download the game here: rogue.phz.fi

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This is actually pretty fun.

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>>145468339
I'm not clicking that link.
Fuck off shill!

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>>145468339
>please download and run random files on your computers, guize
Fuck you.

>>145468339
Post a piccie first.

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>>145468471
It's a pretty shitty game though so I don't know if you could call this shilling.

>>145468692
Here's a whole webm for you.

Do you think this could be the next big thing?

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>>145468858
>3D grafix

>>145468858
>lengthy animations
>mouse control

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>>145468858
You're asking the ascii and open source general if your game can be big commercially.
lol
Anyway, does it have a keyboard-only and ascii option?

>>145468402
It's honestly pretty good, in fact I'd have to say most eroge games made by nips that aren't VN/simple RPG are pretty great.

>>145469153
Cause in point: Sengoku Rance.

>>145469141
No. We planned to implement them but we didn't have time to do it since we had to spend so much time wrestling with the shitty unity network library.

>>145469207
Kichikuou and 6 too.
Also most Eushully games except the newer ones.

>>145469271
I'd say you won't get any positive feedback here than and the only negative feedback you'll get is to have keyboard-only controls and open source-code.

>>145469271
>No keyboard only options
herewego.jpg

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>>145468858
looks wayyyyyyyy too slow-paced

>>145468858
>3D graphics
>mouse controls
Well, /rlg/ isn't going to want anything to do with it. That might not be a major issue for a commercial game, since the /rlg/ demographic doesn't usually pay for games.
You could try /agdg/, I guess.

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MY GOD! WHAT HAVE I DONE!?

>>145470504
So white icky things are actually a glob of animate cum. Who knew.

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>searching Wyrmswraece for the Cosmos Stone/Black Orb
>find a monster
>think little of its "Deadly" rating because I have huge evasion/soak/damage
>hit it until it dies
>gain 3 levels immediately, as a level 21 Fae
I think I made a huge mistake and only narrowly avoided a terrible fate. Maybe I should put this off till later.

>>145470965
If they were globs of animate cum, they could cause female player characters to get pregnant.

Unless it's all animated cum from one kind of monster. One that can't breed with other things.

Maybe they're like spores or pollen or something?
On a quest to find the female of the same species as the male that produced them.

>Welcome to the Lair of Beasts!
>A hydra and Fannar come into view.
It's not like I wanted to clear Lair or anything.

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>>145471519
Too lewd.

>>145471314
Wait what is this

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>>145472094
Shadow of the Wyrm
Basically ADoM: /pol/ edition

>>145472196
Oh, that.
I've played it awhile ago, wasn't too bad, although light on content. Many things unimplemented yet.

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Hey I got a FeMo of Ru here, should I sacrifice for -10% hp, putting me at 3star piety, or sacrifice artifice, putting me at 5 star piety. I am training magic if that helps

any advice rlg?

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>-5 Con, Int, chr

Goddamn, I guess I'll use it anyway for the early game.

>>145472653
You have a ton of wands, I don't think sacrificing artifice is prudent.

>>145472653
You really don't want to sacrifice evocations as a felid.

>>145468858
I'm not sure if it's a roguelike because the character moves and attacks in the same action/turn.

>>145474583
>>145468858
Yeah I'm pretty sure this is a tactical turn based game.

>>145474661
Roguelikes are tactical turn-based.

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>>145475713
That game looks more like fire emblem than a roguelike.

>>145472653
Both of those sacrifices sound truly terrible on Fe--.

>>145475713
>>145468858

http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=What_a_roguelike_is

>games use no graphic tiles or 3D models...

In dcss, If you have sufficient weapon skill in swords to hit the minimum attack delay for both, would you go with a double sword of freezing, or longsword of speed?

>>145478745
Double sword

>>145478745
>In DCSS
The one with the higher base damage.

>>145478784
>>145479145
Alright, thanks. I heard the speed brand was really good so I just wanted to check first to make sure the double sword was better.

>>145479264
It's really good on higher base damage weapons, stuff like longswords which are pretty close to the bottom it doesn't benefit as much.

>>145479264
Speed brands are good on weapons with already low mindelay. A stabbing weapon of speed has like 0.3 delay.

Or maybe it was the other way around.

>>145479359
That makes sense, regardless of how often I hit for 0, its still 0 I guess. I loved that longsword though, it carried my dumb ass all the way from lair to to zot. I guess its still good for fighting ice dragons.

>>145479264
>>145479364
Speed is good on Daggers, and other than that, high base damage weapons like that double sword.

>>145478715
That entire page is like "common features", "usually", "many times".

>>145479145
That's a terrible rule of thumb which doesn't take brand or slaying into account.

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Check out my huge wall of meat shields!

>>145480000
The guy who asked the question here, if it helps, I have +8 slaying.

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>>145480226

>>145480000
It's really not.
Base damage and base speed matter much more than enchantment value, brand, or slaying in all cases after the early game.
Barring an absolutely heinous amount of +slay from randarts/rings.

>>145480000
Not him, but don't all brands (except electricity, pain, and speed) scale off of base-damage? Doesn't Slaying only adds to the extra damage that brands deal indirectly, in that it increases the damage dealt and the brand then takes a percentage of that damage, rebrands it in whatever flavor of damage the brand deals, and adds that to the total damage?

>>145480651
((Base damage * Str * Skill * Fighting * (Multiplicative brand- if any)) + additive brand + slaying + enchantment ) * speed

Is roughly how it looks.

Tips for Infra Arcana that aren't in the pasta?
Also what does "Curse" status do?

>>145478715
I agree it looks like a shitty take on the genre, but the way the game world is conveyed doesn't really have an influence on what a game is.

>>145481002
My tip is that the pasta is hilariously outdated.
Gives you -10% to pretty much every roll, I think.

>>145480907
That's not in any way remotely how it looks. Base damage * str * skill? What the fuck?

Can I phantom mirror the Royal Jelly? If so, will I get friendly jellies if it takes damage? I mostly want the space-filling part of them, desu.

>>145481227
Well it is. I just didn't include the 1+(1dx)/y bits. You can see where the multiplication occurs and that's what is important for his question.

>>145481227
Str modifier and skill modifier, was that not clear?

>>145480651
>but don't all brands (except electricity, pain, and speed)
So you can already see why this is a bad rule of thumb.
Slaying is more effective on faster weapons, though you need approximately at least 10 slaying not counting weapon enchantment for a faster weapon to be worth it over the biggest weapon in the category, except short blades.

>>145481235
Well, the answers are yes and no, if anyone cares.

>>145481589
>Str modifier and skill modifier, was that not clear?
I would venture to guess that if the guy asking for help knew the damage formula then he wouldn't be asking.

>>145481732
It wasn't the same person who was asking for the formula.

>>145481927
What? The guy asking wasn't the same guy asking?

>>145481697
I care, thanks for finding out for us.

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>>145477824
well this is what I had to do to get max piety, honestly wands are overrated

>>145483328
You know you can wait to get a new choice of sacrifices?

I mean everything has 0.4 mindelay with speed brand. Unless it's the Dark Maul or Sniper or something else that's so slow you can't get it to 0.7.

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So I went with the double sword of freezing and it got me to the end of my run.

>>145483469
sacrificing wands is a huge piety increase im not sure I can afford to sac anything else, the other big ones like sac hand or eye are far worse imo

>>145483564
I was mostly referring to sacrificing scrolls.

>>145483328
I agree with the other anon, sacrifice scrolls while threatened+sacrifice artifice is seriously bad. It means that when you take that 20 damage hit (which you will, often), you are completely unable to teleport.

>>145483564
What does sac hand even do on a felid?

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>>145483994
It has its weaknesses but felids are so weak I cant take any sacrifice that reduces my ability to fight because I barely get by as it is. Its working somewhat

>>145484190
No ring, less unarmed damage.

>>145484224
Well if you win, I will be very impressed.

>>145484284
I guess the loss of a ring slot is the biggest drawback on a felid, not sure offhand punch damage is enough of a loss to really matter. Single handed unarmed at 27 skill is still one of the most damaging weapons in the game, isn't it?

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whee

>>145484524
Congrats. I hear they improved Zonguldrok in trunk.

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>>145484524
Gz anon!

>>145484524
Are those brown snake looking things earth elementals? Fuck, that looks stupid.

>>145480907
it's actually
>1d(base damage) * (1 + (STR-10)/39) * (1 + (1d(Weapon Skill))/20) * (1 + (1d(Fighting))/30)
>+additive brand +slaying +enchantment
>THEN *multiplicative brand or *speed

>>145483994
you don't teleport when you take a hit for half your HP, you blink away

teleport is too slow to be reliable for that. you have to use it in advance when you see an enemy that MIGHT fuck you up

>>145484512
Aye.

>>145484958
Yeah, but he can't blink away either unless/until he gets CBlink online.

>>145485181
Is cblink pure tloc though or does it take charms as well?

>>145485239
Pure.

Hex realm doesn't seem too promising when I need my cure wounds spell to kill a small kobold on d:1.

>>145485660
Hex is kind of weird. It's seems like it's designed for a buff meleedude but it's only available to high mages.

>>145485969
That's what it looks like, but I'm not sure what race would do well with it. I tried tonberry but your melee stats are so bad you don't even start with one blow. Maybe half-titan or one of the melee demigods for weapon versatility. Possibly android but I'm not really fond of them.

I'm making a game. Does anyone know where I can read about developing a stat system? Should I just do something generic like a DND system?

>>145484512
Offhand punch is approximately 5% of unarmed damage.

>>145487005
Do what you like. Personally I don't like making a ton of different stats since it's hard to differentiate them. I just stick to three or four major stats.

>>145484760
Yeah, all the elementals are snakey things in 0.18. it's really lame.

>>145487005
Don't make stats unless there is a purpose behind them.

>>145487420
the purpose behind the charisma stat is fucking the dragon

>>145487420
Also for the love of god please make each increment notable. Having each point of strength increase your melee damage by 0.5% or whatever is so boring.

>>145487615
See, that's important and has definite gameplay implications at every stage of a character's "growth".

Perfect example of a well-purposed stat.

Oh baby.

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i am growing stronger

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>>145487960
Whomp.

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>>145488073
>two (2) rings of protection on a Felid
>fourteen (14) armour class points

>>145488436
>1m XP from level 49 to level 50
The Demigod hurt is real.

>>145488436
>resist confusion
>not vulnerability to confusion
GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER CHRIS

>>145488597
>implying the lord of cyberdemons would still be vulnerable
The master tonberry moves at 23 speed instead of -5 like level 50 player tonberries.

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Sometimes you just get lucky

IT'S TIME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dupfXQo269M

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>>145488436
What in the fuck.

>>145489103
>using stealth to walk up into melee range of dangerous unique
>not just walking away and letting them sleep forever

but why

>>145488745
Not only that, but he's immune to confusion.

>>145489176
Oooh. Nice. Post damage. Vice on a mauler is dreamy.

>>145489193
Because FREE EX PEE
Seriously, two levels of UC early on are great

>>145489176
Seconding the post damage request.

>>145489367
It's decent. So what's the catch? Can't walk away from female monsters? Can't tele level out?

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>>145489176
>14d10
are you wearing the one ring or is that its base damage?

>>145489597
Maulers get a bunch of bonuses to damage dice and sides based on weapon weight.

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>>145489528
Errytim.
>>145489597
I have Narya and Nenya.

>>145489528
>not posting your CM
Rude.
Afaik it just eats your money. Not sure how often it triggers, but go do your potion gambling now.

>>145489528
you bleed money while it's in your inventory or you're weilding it.
Literally something like 1$/turn. You shouldn't have problems with that since you're capable of selling shit for 300 K /recall by now.

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>>145489703
>I have Narya and Nenya.
Do they actually stack?

and holy shit. 2000 damage a turn means you actually can kill the serpent in thirty clean hits.

My dick, anon.
You broke it.

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>>145489935
Well, the serpent probably resists my slays.

>>145490045
well it takes half damage from those sources, but it's still 2200 damage/hit

>>145490045
Is that the "critical blow" page? And yeah, big J resists all the base elements.

>>145489935
It would be 15 clean hits, and the serpent resists all base. The only brands which work on J are Sharp, Sharp2, Mana, and Slay Evil.

With that damage and accuracy he can still do in J in 50-60 rounds of combat though.

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>>145490045
I opened a chest.

>>145490045
yeah, but it's vampiric so you get a shitton of health back every time you hit!

>>145490206
It's only got 30 K?

>>145490279
you're supposed to "D"iscarm chests every time before you open them, anon
summoning runes aren't a joke

>>145490279
Dude. Did you not search it for traps or something? I'm seriously upset with you right now, you had one of the best possible mauler weapons and you THREW IT AWAY

>>145490279
Jesus fuck anon you blew it

>>145490365
You can disarm chests? Good to know.

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>>145490279
Oh, anon.
10/10 delivery.

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>>145490510

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give it to me straight what are my options here

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>>145490387
>>145490396
You guys have 0 chill. Take it easy.

>>145490510
Yeah, I lost a great character in the same way. It's a common YASD in PCB, like trying to sacrifice cockatrice corpses or eating the riders.
Luckily you only do it once.

>>145490365
Yep. Serpent has 30k HP.
1788@73% vamping with 2 immunities is kind of amazing for J if you aren't dead and all

>>145490045
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=19163
It was a good run.

>>145490661
Can you read scrolls? Chain blink down, then pop a tele. Throw fog after the first blink.

>>145490661
Teleport -> potion of invis, try and lay low until you can get back up those stairs.

>>145490661
>V:$
Abyss is probably easier if you have some stealth.
Haste and apoc?

I mean the only difference between him dying to that chest and "retiring" after killing big J is simply that he didn't kill the big bad.
I'm sure he's been playing the dude for a couple days at least so he's had enough fun.
Or tedium.
I really don't know with PCB.

>>145490135
that's not how resisted brands works anon

>>145490678
Also, can you set off a chest by failing a disarm attempt?

>>145491165
No, never.

>>145490808
>it was the spice rack
YOU'VE ASCENDED SO MUCH OTHER SHIT HOW DID YOU BLOW IT LIKE THIS

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they never stop coming

and I can cast dragon/hydra form reliably are either of those spells worth it? never used them before, should I just stick w/ blade hands

>>145491648
Do not post degenerate shit here.
This is a homosexual board.

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OH JEEZ THAT WASN'T THE PIC I WANTED TO POST

>>145491390
Wasn't expecting it. Not like I haven't been shit on by silly things in ADOM.

>>145491715
>dragonform
It's a spell which turns you into a not-shit race instantly.
Just make sure you have some rC+ around in case things get chilly.

>>145491813
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED ANON

But yeah that image was one I saved like last week after the meliai talk
I think I understand how this happened
I have to clean my downloads folder

>>145491891
Fair enough, I'm sure I'm overreacting. I would also like to echo that other anon's sentiment that it's nice to see you around here again.

>>145461519
I can understand not having a 5-point harness on your Wartrukk due to not finding one yet, but
>going high-speed through a forest
You only have yourself to blame.

>>145462048
The book was not supposed to have a realistic setting, since the focus of it are the relations between individual and authority. It's not a gommunizm cautionary tale, however tumblr tried to assure you.

>>145492146
Hey, CDDA-playing anon, tell me:
Are bushes still the tirespikes of impenetrable deathmobiles?
Does turning sideways still let zombies phase through the walls of your vehicle?

>>145492430
>Are bushes still the tirespikes of impenetrable deathmobiles?
not him but yes
>Does turning sideways still let zombies phase through the walls of your vehicle?
Ohoho. Absolutely.

>>145492804
Excellent. It always pleases me to know this.

>>145492430
>Are bushes still the tirespikes of impenetrable deathmobiles?
No, especially if you armor your bumper
>Does turning sideways still let zombies phase through the walls of your vehicle?
Yes

>>145492960
>especially if you armor your bumper
I haven't played in six months but last time I did a shrub tore my military plated quarterpanel and my engine apart.

Does this not happen anymore?

And the car quantum tunneling is still one of the greatest bullshits in DDA.

>>145493119
>Does this not happen anymore?
You'd have to go hypersanic for this to happen nowadays

>>145488436
Jeez nice, that's quite a rare drop from him. I think it's 1-in-20.
>>145489176
and nice again!
>>145490279
and uhhhh RIP

>>145492430
>bushes
Damage to vehicle heavily nerfed. I usually try to avoid them anyway, but hitting a few isn't going to be a problem.
>walls
Yes. Never park your vehicle diagonally, and avoid driving through hordes at slow speeds.

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After dying several times before level 3 I managed to get a hex guy sort of going my melee damage is 29/round, watch out.

Going around the wilderness and melting orc packs with stinking mist seems fairly effective at levelling and loot for now. Managed to get some +2 str dwarven armor and a defender trident, at least.

One neat thing is that you can turn your spells on and go berserk and they stay up, so you can have a way to heal that doesn't end your rage.

>>145493590
>Hex Appeal

Aw, what a cute name.

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Hey sage want a rematch at incavead? The dev changed a lot of stuff and I want a rematch.

>>145493119
How is the diagonal wall thing even a problem? Why are you relying on nothing but a vehicle wall to keep you safe?
You see a zombie big enough to be a problem, you either ram it head on or avoid it entirely. You don't drive slowly past it along the diagonal.

>>145493590
>Hex
haha oh man
it's so bad.
> Why are you relying on nothing but a vehicle wall to keep you safe?
Because I play with lots of zombies and wander spawns.
And I always end up getting a deathmobile.
And I usually end up charging mobs with my deathmobile.
And once you run over five of them you lots a shitton of speed even if you were going at 200 Km/h.
And then they swarm you so you can't go backwards without being pressed by bodies.
Then since you skid once you hit something and you can't fix your position, they get to you and eat your face.

And that is bullshit.

>>145492430
>Are bushes still the tirespikes of impenetrable deathmobiles?
They are rammed with no damage by steel and above. Still gonna fuck up your motorbike.
>Does turning sideways still let zombies phase through the walls of your vehicle?
Yes.

>>145494002
if only i could hook a bike on the roof, or a car trailer.
some day. i pray to C.

>>145494520
we have multiple buggy Z levels now, no?
Why can't we make cars that have multiple Z levels
Oh yeah since they're a hackjob they'd slow the whole game .

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>>145494002
Since we started going CDDA here, r8 muh wartrukk. 8L diesel-enhanced electric, M2, Mk19 and ATGM launcher, allcomfortsincluded. Roof covered with upgraded solar panels.

>>145494706
Can't turn diagonally without revealing the interior to the elements/10
It's shit.

>>145494706
>only a single row of flimsy quarterpanels
That's a terrible idea anon.
you should always double-layer.
also all that junk in a single space?
>you hear a SMASH!
oh jeez.
Oh lord. I don't even wanna THINK about it. The whole vehicle system needs to be completely rehauled.

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He dropped the crown of amber.

>>145494627
I dislike this mainly because people are probably build a tower vehicle or something, but something in this way must be done to work, ridiculous but hey its cdda.

The C temple is always open for saddened CDDA players. hooommmm today we sacrifice the ancient CHUD. hooommmm.

>>145494978
>only a single row of flimsy quarterpanels
They're all boards, except the line between the ram and the windshield.
>oh jeez
I rammed through a horde and through a military bunker and drove away in one piece. The latter was not very fun though

>>145494706
btw what font is that?

>>145495083
oh hey at least you're still alive
how are the olympians doing

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>>145495083
>Con : 18/73
rohgrjosdf

>>145494809
How am I supposed to get through cities and forests with anything wider than 5 tiles?

>>145495293
Terminus.
http://files.ax86.net/terminus-ttf/files/4.39/

/catadda/ in Russian 2ch's /vg/ said it was good so I got it.

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Okay so the first round it only summoned a greater titan and an ancient black but one round later all this shit.
>>145495512
The only one I ran into so far is Demeter who I couldn't kill because she kept teleporting and blinking away. Also confusion.

>>145495712
>How am I supposed to get through cities and forests with anything wider than 5 tiles?
you play the desert_test version.

>>145495807
oh yeah. Most of them just teleport and blink away. They're all good practice for oberon, which does exactly that.

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>>145495919
Yeah but Oberon doesn't have as much life as them right? I heard you can just spam rocket at him.

>>145494706
I could never figure out how to mount dirty water tanks to a vehicle, only the clean ones. Rip my whole life.

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>>145496049
>Yeah but Oberon doesn't have as much life as them right?
I am so sorry.

>>145495919
its odd that when you are 5y in the game you can still find full gunstores... normal looking houses.

everything should look like a overgrown valley... even desertlike/junklike if we take acid rain to count.

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>>145496190
But can he be stunned?

>>145496380
The only reason we can't find normal looking houses in Pripyat today are looters. Otherwise it looks mostly untouched, and it's been almost 30 years. And unlike Pripyat, New England in Cata can have a number of places that survivors did not reach.

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>>145496380
>if we take acid rain to count.
They removed acid rain a year and a half ago, though.
I know what you mean, but still DDA is kind of a lot of very dumb ideas and mechanics thrown together on a shoddy infrastructure with only two people actually working to implement the good ones and fix the holes in the code.
If you want an actually good simulator, you should play modded dorf fort or something

>>145496408
Anon
no man should ever be subjected to this pain

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>teleport
>land right here
Okay, why am I getting scared so much? Is Zeus that much of an ugly motherfucker?

>>145493702
>park diagonally
>sleep in car like a hobo
>wake up to zombo chewing on your hat

>>145497070
>Is Zeus that much of an ugly motherfucker?
He summons shamblers.

If that wasn't enough for you, he hits like a truck.

>scared
oh boy oh boy
you should really buff your charisma

>>145496631
>>145496726
yeah but you know what i mean, lets take vehicles for instance.
They are on the open, on snow and rain, for five years, things should just be somewhat broken by time. Some cars even really rusted, making vehicle parts very fun to come by. Things would be so much harder/fun for mobile bases.

thats what i meant for houses. they should turn to ruin by the elements.

Spriggan of Xom best build.

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A lesser Balrog dropped this.
>>145497163
I'll just try fighting him in a corridor or something.

>>145496127
i think they're in the vehicle additions pack mod

>>145497201
and the elements are not that nice considering the lore.

>>145497201
there's a mod that basically *tries* to do that but kinda fails miserably at it and just spawns a lot of completely destroyed houses with no loot, which means you could have just played with smaller cities and gotten the same result.

>>145497261
Oh hey it's the less interesting of the rings of power.
I mean it's not *that* bad but by the time you have it you'll most likely never wear it because you've found that sweet +9 ring of speed that literally shits on it.

>>145497070
do you have immunity to elec from razorback or something?

>>145497407
dont you just mount an empty one and put few funnels, no?
its should fill it with dirty water, i think thats how i made mine.

>>145497558
he's a monk.

>>145497163
A single pip of rFear is worth like as much as the difference between 18/00 and 18/*** CHA or something equally silly.
He needs to pump that CON presently.

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>>145497520
>>145497261
That was short-lived. All that ended by a fucking bad teleport and lots of things breathing on me followed up by Zeus's psycho spear. FROM FULL HEALTH
>>145497558
I CAN'T WEAR RAZORBACK SINCE IT'S TOO HEAVY FOR A MONK
50 POUNDS MAN

>>145497687
Oh yeah and if that wasn't bad enough, zeus heals himself.
RIP
next time don't play a monk of life
next time don't play pcb

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>>145497793
Back to warrior I guess.

>>145498048
no anon
monk of nature
nature I say
or just roll in dosh as a dosh knight

>>145497687
>I CAN'T WEAR RAZORBACK SINCE IT'S TOO HEAVY FOR A MONK
i was gonna say... if you don't have *E probably don't fight Zeus yet

looks like it didn't matter because you died to darkness and psycho spears anyways

but seriously randtele with scary uniques on the level is always kinda dangerous, especially if you haven't used destruction to make big piles of LOS-blocking rubble everywhere

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>>145498139
I didn't take nature because it said that the farther I stray from balance the more my spells will fail and I always end up lawful.

>>145498269
>playing with virtues

>>145498269
i always turn virtues off just to end the message spam

they would be kinda cool if they were quieter i guess

>>145497153
>park diagonally
Why would you ever do that, though?
Seriously, no matter how many layers of armor plating you've layered on, there still isn't any reason to park diagonally. It looks ugly and makes it hard to remember which items are in which cargo space.

>>145498750
well that's the complaint isn't it

parking diagonally is weirdly fucked up so you always have to futz around to get the car pointing perfectly north/south/east/west
which is a dumb requirement

>>145497153
>park diagonally
That's kinda stupid though. Makes moving around harder.

>>145499373
I disagree.

And still, if I want to park diagonally I should be able to.
The thing is that after three years,
I repeat
THREE YEARS
nobody has ever thought that this major bug was worth wasting time to fix it.

>>145498904
parking it ''perfectly'' gives you easyer movement inside the vehicle, even if diagonal parking would get fixed (it wont) i would still park the way i do now because of that.

>>145498904
>futz
Just
Fucking
Learn to drive

Point the facing indicator to a cardinal direction from your character. Your vehicle is now facing a cardinal direction. That was it. It's not that many keystrokes.

The walls might eventually become solid, but as long as the game is tile-based, diagonal vehicles will always be weird.

>>145499756
I'm just going to hazard a wild guess from the little I know about CDDA, that / and \ are hardcoded to be passable or something like that and vehicles make use of those when turning.

>>145500039
yes driving in a cardinal direction generally makes sense on roads and shit but not if you're driving through fields and forests heading to a lab or something.

i know that it's not that hard to go in a straight line
i just think that it's stupid that you have to

>>145499756
>nobody has ever thought that this major bug was worth wasting time to fix it.
Are you literally retarded or only pretending?

>>145500513
I don't know, anon. Are you?

they thought it was a major bug but the priority for fixing it is still way below "allow attacking dildo to inside of fursuit"

>>145500192
> / and \
a feature that was intended to trick new players into thinking that the walls are unpassable.
>bug fixed -sponsored by KG

>>145500607
I don't know, anon. Are you?

>>145500932
I know, anon. You are.

>>145501061
Not an argument.

>>145500659
>>145499756
>people who never programmed a thing in their life talking about things like they are "just done"

>>145501061
no u

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Anybody else thinking of playing the 1.4 beta of Halls of You Fail the Alchemy Check?

I'm playing it now. The changes to smooth out weapon drop progression are really nice. I remember last time I didn't find an upgrade over my starter weapon until floor 42 or so (out of 48? though now 30 is the boss floor) which was infuriating, but now I've found several non-magical weapon upgrades in the first few levels.

Overall, thumbs up, I'm going to keep playing and see more of this FUCKING INFURIATING GAME. I hope you enjoy it precisely as much as I have.

>>145501397
you're telling me they can code Z levels and multi-level shooting/interactions from scratch

but they can't stop zombies tunneling through quarterpanels?

>>145501450
oh, and link to the Halls of Mist 1.4 beta http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=40535234665311697709

>>145461128
SINCE OUR GODDAMN OP IGNORED THE TOME AND HOM NEWS AND ONLY PUT DCSS NEWS IN THE OP YOU DIRTY DOUBLE SERPENT OF CHAOS

>>145501567
it's possible to do but there are like 1-2 good devs working on cdda and they're focusing their shit on other goals

>>145500346
I think driving along diagonals works reasonably well. The monsters can walk in through the gaps, but they can't actually do that, because they get run over. The real problem in those cases is your car breaking down from all the zombies slamming into it.
It's just when you park the care that it actually becomes a problem, and parking a car along a cardinal direction is completely trivial.

>>145501450
>Anybody else thinking of playing the 1.4 beta of Halls of You Fail the Alchemy Check?
nah
if I wanted to play ironman angband I'd do just that

>>145501640
Coolthulu has no idea how to fix it yet

>>145501567
>they
you mean the one and only, our god and saviour Coolthulhu.

Heretic.

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>>145501450
I wish someone would write a Halls of Mist guide.

>>145501716
it's better than ironman vanilla imo

>>145501749
>forgetting about mugling and all the little codemonkey like darkyhard and codemime and that russian guy

>>145501567
There's a reason there are incredibly few multi-tile critters in roguelikes. And those that are multitile tend to be orthogonal only.

If you actually though about how hard is it to come up with a good diagonal wall on a grid that can be targeted, moved around, that doesn't block vision parallel to it etc., you'd realize how hard is it.

But instead you decided to meme and imply.

cogmind from $30 to $25 apparently
http://www.gridsagegames.com/forums/index.php?topic=502.0

>>145502018
That's $25 too much

>>145502018
at this rate if we continue to not buy it, we'll get it for free like we always wanted

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FREE
EXP

>>145501863
yes, the one has always few followers.
mugling is in the ranks of a mortar...
But Coolthulhu's powers are unreachable at this point.

i will build a Temple ingame just for him. the temple of Coolthulhu.
>will post

>>145502018
Here's your 50 cents goy, thanks for posting

>>145502082
the plan has always been to reduce the price over time

he made it expensive at first because it's in alpha and he doesn't want too many players yet (?!?)

>>145502018
>2018
Maybe around then the price will have dropped low enough.

>>145501450
When the fuck are ego items supposed to drop? Why the fuck is it so hard to find a god damn altar, especially when the god worship thing is supposed to be a major selling point of the game? Don't even mention artifacts because those don't even exist. Halls of Mist is fun but there's a lot of bs too

>>145502018
looks like kyzrati was lurking here...

>>145502296
i don't get paid for my shilling, i'm just in it for the cummies <3

>>145502379
if he releases it on GOG its going to be pirated almoust instantly so lets hope he does so.

>>145502547
Is piratable right now anyway right.

>>145501615
>ToME bugfixes
>news
At least the DCSS and PCB updates actually had content.

Also forgive me for not noticing a random link to s000.tinyupload.com
Are you the dev? I don't see anything on the HoM homepage.

>>145501962
From what I've heard, multitile pathfinding is a massive issue for whatever reason. I'm not sure why, since non-tile-based games seem to manage it fine. Still, the only related game I've seen doing it is Dwarf Fortress with the wagons, and those seem to run mostly on ugly hacks.

I wish Cata tank drones were actual vehicles. I want to recreate the GITS spidertank fight.

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>>145502387
I dunno, I've found a couple of egos on my characters and like one artifact cloak, but so far only from drops after killing uniques. Altars can show up early, I have one on floor 3 right now. I'm not playing a priestly type though, so I don't expect I'll see much use of the altars until much later (especially since as a rogue I'd generally rather sell my egos instead of doing some god-scouting and getting a temp buff)

HoM also I guess prides itself on making the player limp along like a cripple so that when you get a real developed character killed you want to die irl, or something. Not sure if that's explicitly their design philosophy, but it probably is.

>>145502706
no I'm not the dev, but somebody involved in the development sent it to me on IRC. I'm not really that mad. I didn't even realize the tome news was so tiny, I just saw the release post on oook.

>>145502120
He is actually capable of one shotting you.
It's like an 18% chance if he decides to cast Airstrike. 24% since you're missing HP.

>>145502917
I'm a Fe, everything can oneshot me, especially with that AC
Oh boy can't wait till i get to lair

>>145502641
Yeah, every now and then someone drops a download link here.
I half suspect the author approves of it, and to spite him, I haven't played it yet. Well, that and I'm afraid of running binaries downloaded from 4chan.

>>145502641
stop it right there criminal scum. pirating is a crime.

>>145503023
Yeah but most things can't one shot you without checking your super EV.

Madman.

>>145502846
>I'm not sure why, since non-tile-based games seem to manage it fine.
Continuous space and you can just pretend the vehicle is a sphere.

>>145502852
Any race/class recommendations? Also tips for dealing with failed alchemy checks on melee dudes?

>>145503041
>Official Cogmind reddit
dear cogmind dev
i have pirated your lovely game, its very good since its free.
i want to redeem myself by posting this awesome picture i made about you and cogmind.
i think that you will find it very appealing.
>post random jew picture

love and respect
4chan

>>145503535
gnome rogue is pretty forgiving because stealth is very powerful, selling to shops is good money (and only rogues can do so), and gnomes start with free action and infravision which matters a lot

They of course get shitty hit dice, but that's less important when you can pick your fights, and 1v1 opponents even in full rooms

w.r.t. failed alchemy checks, usually it just means you need to try your alchemy (generally it's from trying to identify) on the next floor. Ideally, you can get a magic circle and complete a Circle of Knolwedge for a big alchemy bonus, and the ability to identify your entire pack.

>>145504069
>Circle of Knolwedge
rip also irony

>>145504069
>gnome rogue
You forgot to tell them to reroll until they get maxed STR.
You know, to actually wield weapons 'n' stuff.

>>145504254
Is strength really that important
What about dex?

>>145504454
str limits what you can pick up
I think the roller is a poophead and won't let you roll base strength higher than 14, but make sure you have that!

dex matters too. I'm sure there's more than just this, but a STR threshold decides if you can wield a particular weapon at all (and another threshold for if you can use a shield with it), and DEX decides how many blows you get.

There was a HoM comp a while back with a gnome rogue that started with 12 str, and it was agony because you literally could not use any of the weapons you found.

>>145504454
Basically if you don't have 13 or more strength, you can't use any weapons you find until you get to stat-gain depth, because every weapon has such a strength requirement.

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1-2 sil
3-4 HoM
5-6 IA
7-8 frozen depths
9-0 pcb

>>145505220
poor bastard

>>145505220
>9 to 0 pcb
>that's all the numerals
>gets 0 anyways, just to make DOUBLE SURE it's pcb

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I'm torn between this and
>Orc_is_2_floors.png

>>145505758
>>145506065
goddamn it
should i go with 3.5.1 or 4.0.2?
last time i got raped by dracolisks, even though i managed to kill gachapin
i foresee alcohol being involved here

>>145506532
Take other stairs down?

>>145506769
I'd suggest the newer one

the messages are so colorful, you'll feel like an elder chaos god

>>145506796
I know anon, it's a joke

>>145501615
Halls of Mist development went forward or was the news the download link?

>>145507495
it's not really a super official release yet I think, though it is probably pretty close. My guess is they're either lazy or waiting until it's settled to the point where they don't call it a beta, before making a real release post.

the news was that there is a 1.4 beta available at that download link, thanks to an anon involved in the project

>>145506769
4 has loads of fun new devices, but nerfs devices (they don't stack) in exchange for ego-devices that have a greater effect, or charge, and even ego-less devices recharge automatically. It's best for non-Magiceaters, because the Magiceater gets his previously infinite storage replaced with ~10 extra inventory slots just for wands, another ~10 just for rods, and another ~10 just for staves.

3.5 has normal devices that stack, are fairly uniform except for charges, and don't recharge automatically. It's best for the Magiceater, because he gets infinite storage for all devices.

>>145507821
Are you saying magic eaters can only eat 10 wands max now or what?

>>145507821
I haven't played a magic eater in 4+, but frankly that doesn't sound that terrible. Depending on how your gear and stats fall, you can end up being better off using devices that you haven't absorbed because you'll get better fail rates with them. Even moreso now that everything recharges automagically.

M/y magic eater in 3.5 had an internal cap of 18/70 on int and it was fucking suffering.

>>145506769
4.0.2 is a massive improvement unless you are playing a death sword or obsessed with scumming.

>>145508168
>>145508168
I'm being really ignorant I'm sure but what game is this you guys are talking about? I've only played DCSS but I want to try other rl gaems.

>>145508390
Poschengband.

>>145508390
Read the reply chain next time man, it's right there.
PosChengband is the game.

>>145508390
Is this some kind of meme? I've seen people ask this so many times it's ridiculous

>>145508502
Oh, the rolling was for a game to play, I thought it was something else. Thanks anyway.

>>145508390
Don't play a *band if all you've played is crawl. You'll get brain damage.

>>145508789
>hey guys what game is that poschengband?
>is <roguelite> a roguelike?
>i have 16 skill in axes, a +0 Exec Axe, and a +9 dagger of freezing. what weapon should I use?

>>145508946
Eh, lot of people have played Diablo before, similiar in a lot of ways to *bands.

>>145508946
I wish I knew what a *band was but fair enough. I barely understand how to play Crawl well so.

>>145508168
it also helps that !Restore Mana now partially recharges devices

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Stabbers are smooth as fuck

>>145509697
Spoopy.

>>145509341
*band means game from the Angband line of games. Classically this is as opposed to the *hacks, the various versions of Nethack, but now there are more than 2 varieties of popular roguelike.

So PosChengband a *band, which means it has some things in common with other variants of from the Angband line

>>145509697
I'm sure there's a very weirded out dude in /tesg/ right now

>>145501817
Kill uniques by throwing blinding or confusing powder at them then smacking them in melee, then phasing away and throwing more powder when the status effect ends. Get _detectEvil by ~D10 and detect semiregularly to avoid getting reamed by some nasty shit. After that, a number of classical Angband things come into effect: _tele and -teleOther are useful, try to get resistances, etc.

Do you need any advice in particular?

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>radiation ball from a giant headless fucks my stats
>embark on a self-poly adventure to get them back
My con has taken a relatively major hit but at least my melee damage is back up to par, the stat swapping knocked it down by nearly 75%.

What I'm most disappointed about is that I lost my human mutation after changing back into a beastman.

>>145511024
do_poly_self() is a hell of a drug