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LATEST NEWS-
>Persoa 5 will be releasing February 14th on USA
>PS4 exclisive Collector's Edition revealed
>Atlus' E3 badge, Persona 5 demo and Soejima as guest revealed http://archive.is/7ftt3
>P5 releases September 15th, 2016 in Japan, 2016 in NA, Europe TBA
>P5A: The Day Breakers to air in September 2016
>New Dengeki Playstation Magazine to feature P5 news June 9th
>P5 to feature at E3 2016 (Sony's E3 conference will be on June 13th, 6PM PDT)
>Winter of Rebirth releases on BD August 3rd, 2016
>20th anniversary concert to take place on August 13th, 2016
>Next Persona Magazine to release Summer 2016
>20th Anniversary FES to take place at 3331 Arts Chiyoda in December 2016

-SCANS-
archive.is/U8Ka0
archive.is/FaYLc

-INFO-
>P5 Info
pastebin.com/MJuR9h0S
-GUIDES-
>General Guide
pastebin.com/eCHRjKCZ
>PQ Guide
pastebin.com/Bq16HvJh
>P4U2 Guide/Resources
pastebin.com/M3MPepKb

-DOWNLOADS-
>Art, Guides, Music, etc.
pastebin.com/Vh0CdRit
>P4 Dengeki Comic Anthology
mediafire.com/?4kjjaf0jtw2jyj3
>Persona image collection
mediafire.com/?9j3us2v34coua

-MANGA-
>Scans
personascans.tumblr.com
mediafire.com/personascans#unst48ukbu457
pastebin.com/L3WXvsf3
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>>144746719
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>>144788257
Well at least you didn't have any plans that day anyway.
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It's only 5 months.
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>tfw this year is now ruined
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LETS WORK TOGETHER TO MURDER HARDIN
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>premature thread
>shit pic when we could have used the CE edition pic
>didn't even fixed the grammar errors in the news

good job retard
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Abandon all hope.
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She's staring at you, anon.
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>>144788257
>P5 releases September 15th, 2016 in Japan,
2016 in NA, Europe TBA
>2016 in NA, Europe TBA
>2016 in NA
>2016
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>>144788507

That kind of is a middle finger to Fatlus isn't it? It's like Atlus USA is saying: What? You thought you were going to have something special to do on that day? Stay inside with your fake anime GF.
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>>144788717
I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Breasts have arrived.
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1-4: Pre-order JPN LE
5-8: Pre-order JPN SE
9: Pre-order NA LE
0: Kill myself

Remember to roll!
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>>144788903

Rollin'
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In the time P5 was announced:
>Friends kicked me out of their lives
>Ex broke up with me almost a year ago
>I'm still in college after 4 years, and I have at least 3 left
>Only friend I still have no longer likes weeb stuff and barely talk to him lately
>Still have to pay my ex's shipping costs of her "friend" sending me back my Persona games I borrowed her
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>>144788832
>breasts
>not delicious armpits
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I don't have a PS4. Should I buy a PS4 to get Ps4 CE or buy the Ps3 version AND the Ps4 CE for the extra stuff?
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>>144789176

#4thegamers
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>>144789176
Is there anything else on the PS4 that you're interested in? I don't think it's a good idea to buy a console for just one game, but if there are other exclusives that you want I would go for it.
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>>144789176
>buy the Ps3 version AND the Ps4 CE for the extra stuff

Thats the cheapest option for sure
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>>144788903
Roll
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Burn your dread, /pg/
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>>144789104
Well, don't kill yourself until after you beat P5.
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>>144789104
Sorry, anon. Here have a Rise.
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What if P5 isn't even good?
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>>144789491
You can still fap to the vanilla doujins.
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>>144789491
Delete this!
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>>144789491
I refuse to acknowledge such a possiblity
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>>144789491
Then we wait for DDS3.
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>>144789696
Dark Souls 3 DLC?
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>Steal back your future
>Atlus now says it's 14th February
>In E3 Sony's conference Hardin cosplayed as Phantom goes into the stage and "steals" the real release date
>November 20th 2016

It's not gonna happen, but a man can only hope.
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>>144789827
No, Digital Devil Saga 3, or rather a spiritual successor. I can feel it on the wind.

Atlus will make futa great again.
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>>144789915
>Atlus USA saw all the people hoping they would steal back the release date at TGS
>They decide to make it actually happen

I WANT TO BELIEVE
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>>144789827
Crossover when?
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>>144789915
Let it go, my son. It's time to put aside the hype.
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>>144789915

Even hope isn't worth such pipe dreams at this point. It seems they're notifying retailers of the Valentine's release date.

If it was a ruse, they would have waited until closer to E3 (like one or two days before) before making the switch.

I'm afraid there is no hope, even in delusion. We still got an 8 month wait to go.
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>>144789915
Ever since Kojima ruined video games with MGS2, everyone thinks everything is a ruse now.
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>>144789491
Define not good.
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Well, I'm gonna go play Blood and Wine and try to pretend I don't exist.
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>>144790802
If I had to play Witcher I'd do that too.
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He is mocking us. He is a lying fuck.
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>the localization is actually almost done and could easily ship on November
>they just want to make it Valentine's Day because of the "stealing hearts" motif
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>>144789472
Thanks anon

>>144789456
I was thinking about killing myself after finishing Persona 5 even before SUMMER 2016 trailer, but somehow god (or whatever controls destiny) hates me and wants to see me suffering.
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>>144790802
>Unironically playing witchershit
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>>144789915
Come to terms anon.

It's over.
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>>144790963
>It's real

Happening?
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>>144791225
Rise makes everyone happy.
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>>144791172
>Atlus JP actually sent out the script a year ago but Hardin forgot to check the Atlus USA mailbox because he was too busy shitposting on twitter
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>>144790835
>>144791242
what's wrong with the witcher?
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Really psyched for PV02 later this month when Dancing All Night comes out.
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I wonder how amny anons will die before Valentine's Day 2017?
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>>144791579
What went wrong?
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>>144791491
/wtc/ is the most cancerous hole /vg/ has to offer, and it's super popular to hate things that get a few hundred game of the year awards.
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who /nothypedanymore/ here???
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I'm building a John Hardin lies folder, can I get some screenshots of the man lying.
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>>144791579
now that it's been almost a year, can we all agree that it lived up to expectations
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>>144791883
are you STILL discussing that shitty re-release?
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>P5 not coming out until Feb. 2017
>No dual audio
Farewell cruel world
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>>144792026
No, I'm talking about the good rerelease
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>>144791883
It was shit.
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>Whole game will be spoiled before we even get a chance to play it
Zero reason to even buy this game now.
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I WANT PERSONA 5'S RELEASE DATE!!
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>>144792462
>we
>isn't importing it and is playing the dub

OK.
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>>144792561
It's in the op, dumbass.
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>>144788684
I'm going to miss all the years I had with Chie and Aigis

NOT! Makoto already blows them out of the water
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I just love Anne.
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>>144792816
>Missing the joke
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>>144793153
I love Isabeau.
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>Even Atlus knows I will never have a gf
Oh well
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>>144793206
oh sorry
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best
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>>144793421
B L O N D E
M
O
N
K
E
Y
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>>144792995
>Chiefags and Aigisfags are waifu hoppers
I'm not surprised desu
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>Censored
>Months after Japan
>No dual audio
>Atlus tax
>Shitty dub
>Not even the full OST
And people thought Atlus could take on FFXV
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>>144793610
>Censored
what?
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>>144793610
>Censored
END THIS MEME BEFORE IT BEGINS
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>>144792561
How the fuck did this happen? Why did news bring despair?
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>>144793697

Probably talking about the retarded notion that Atlus USA "censored" the box art by covering up Anne's extremely mild cleavage in order to put the rating label on.
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>>144788903
Rolling in progress
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>>144793802
>@ 2015
>The One Lying God

Is he legit retarded or something?
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>>144793802
He should've known how the internet would react, especially with Nintendo Treehouse around.
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Atlus just hates boobs
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>>144793697
>>144793802
We don't know if it will be censored or not
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>>144793816
YOU SOUGHT THE NEWS
ONLY TO FIND DESPAIR
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>>144794001
I-I think that means he admitted to being Satan?
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>NEETs think they are entitled to have a worldwide / 2016 release
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>>144794115
This game was a piece of shit but one thing for sure, it was not censored in game.
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>inb4 the only reason they delayed was to make stupid "Take your heart" puns because of Valentine's Day
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>>144793610
>not censored (that we know of)
>almost all japanese games come out later in other places
>none of the other games had dual audio, it was stupid to expect it
>we haven't even heard the dub yet
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>>144794579
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>>144794579
>The whole marketing are memes and jokes about that
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Anyone have that "We've been X days without newws" counter ?
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>>144794579
>Delay
I honestly don't think that this was a delay. It's likely that Atlus USA hasn't even started on the localization yet, and considering their work ethic it will probably take them that long to finish it.
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>>144794654
/pg/ is stuck on the anger stage of grief. A number of us are already at acceptance. A few are still bargaining.
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>>144794654
It doesn't matter.
> If it's not Japanese it can't possibly be good.
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>>144794654
>>almost all japanese games come out later in other places

There's no fucking way you'll ever be able to justify that release date in my eyes. That shit should be considered a crime.
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>>144795040
It takes time to translate things.
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>>144794849
bump ?
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should've learned moon when it first started getting delayed if you cared so much
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>>144795124
Only because Atlus won't let Atlus USA localize during development for some reason.
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>>144795503
I'm always a supporter of dual audio, but the most vocal "dubs are inherently shit" types have no excuse.
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>>144795520
I hate this bullshit excuse that they'll start translating when the game releases in Japan. Didn't Persona 4 make more money overseas than in Japan?
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>>144795520
I do not comprehend.
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Why is it that NISA manages to include dual audio in all of their games but Atlus USA can't?
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>>144788903
rawhide
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>>144796721
Because they don't fucking want to
Its easy to do dual audio as DLC but Atlus doesn't want to

Can your thick head understand that? THEY DON'T FUCKING WANT TO
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>>144796721
It's not a matter of can't. They won't, either because of Atlus USA's decision or Atlus of Japan's decision.
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>>144788903
Give me that 0
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>>144797240
yup, it's that kind of day.
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>>144797240
LUCKY BASTARD
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>>144791172
>Atlus usa is destroying all hype for the game and by the time it comes out it'll do terrible because of all the spoilers

i might as well just wait until it's twenty bucks so i can play a game i already will know everything about.
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>Merrica always laughed at Europe getting bent over
>Now Merrica is getting bent over
Loving every laugh. You wankers all deserve this and I hope every single detail is spoiled for you.
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>>144797489
At least we have a release date. :^)
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>>144797676
What is importing retard
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>>144797489
Wait till you find out you're getting bent over and double teamed
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>>144797768
>mfw the game is region locked
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>>144797768
Still getting butt fucked by Atlus :^)
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>>144797946
>mfw soft modded PS3
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>Don't even have PS4
>Ordered PS4 LE

Ayyyyy
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My breath stink
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>>144798153
Cute
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>tfw I'm going to have to take up residence in plebbit for 5 months while this shit goes down.
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>>144798304
>But we're no slouches when it comes to dubs.
The master liar continues spinning his web of lies.
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>>144798332
shut the fuck up fuuka

also isn't your hair supposed to be green
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>>144798359
>We want the Lupin III audience
Sly 2 did Lupin better
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>>144798395
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And my suicide got delayed again.
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>>144798608
He must learn from the best.
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>>144798608
I know he is Atlus USA's PR and all that but at this point I seriously think he is just laughing in our faces
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>>144798845
He's probably more annoyed than anything else. He has to lie on a constant basis to put food on his table and all the heat always gets directed at him. On top of this he probably isn't anymore in the know than we are so he doesn't even know if what he is saying is a lie or the truth.
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>>144788832
Why doesn't p5 have a busty party member?
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>>144793457
Will we get cute back ground characters?
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>>144799006
Why didn't P3?
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>>144799006
Haru is kind of sort of busty?
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Well at least there is some good news. Maybe.
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Anne looks like Junko
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>>144799145
that's a hard no in PR talk buddy.

It ain't happenin' kiddo.
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>>144799145
>Working hard on Persona 5
They are "working hard on Persona 5" since 2014. What did they do this whole time?
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>>144799351
KOWASHITAI
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>>144799283
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v67N-lHqhV0
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>>144799351
Jack killed P5 two years ago on that Tanker.

This is not the real P5.
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>>144799423
Isn't Nintendo in charge of the localization (and thus the censoring)?
Both Apocalyse and #FE were announced well after Persona 5.
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>>144799467
The real P5 stand for Proper Parentage Practices Providing Peace. the Japanese birth control initiative that has already seen dramatic losses in birth rate as a result of Anime Waifus. Persona 5 is just the first step.
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>>144799643
My guess would be that Atlus USA was doing absolutely nothing for most of that time and only recently started localization. If they've even begun.
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>>144799719

Why the fuck does my waifu keep calling me asking me if I remember what tomorrow is?
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>>144799719
NANIII
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>>144799006
is this some sort of ironic meme
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>>144799351
Localizing and publishing other things?
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lel
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>>144799904
She's pregnant.
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>>144800336
Literally what?

What other things are more important than Persona 5?
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>>144800389
The reason is that they don't even credit their English VAs and do cheap non-union jobs.
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stop bullying hardin, guys

he's just the messenger
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>>144799283
Anne looks like Ginko
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>>144800647
t. Hardin
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>>144800647
That's his job. To soak up all the hate so the executives can continue fucking child prostitutes in peace.

So I'll hate him as his job demands.
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>>144788903
rolling
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>>144800389
Isn't being a voice actor in Japan the equivalent to being a god while in America being a voice actor is the equivalent to being trash?
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>>144800647
Then where can I direct my fuming rage at?

I can either scream at a human being or scream at an office building.
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LGBTQ2
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>>144800779
If you believe everything /pg/ tells you, yes.
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>>144800779
It depends on whether you're voicing American stuff or dubbing foreign anime stuff.
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>>144800519
Everything else is more important to them considering P5 will sell tons of copies no matter when they release it.
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>>144800519
The games being released before then.
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>>144800779
I heard that being a voice actoir in Japan is the equivalent of being a porn actress.
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>>144800747
Are you saying he's some kind of dark knight?
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>>144800701
arr gaijin rook same
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>>144801256
Yes, except he's protecting Jewish businessmen from criticism, not us.
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>>144801279
arr gaijin buroo eyes and burondu hairu
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I hope all you retards who complained about having too much to play neck yourselves.
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>wake up
>p5 news!
>they're the worst news possible
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>>144801228
Is this for real?
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>>144801602
>neck yourselves.
I... what?
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>>144801671
>a release date is the worst news possible

Yeah no that's pretty cool, the fact that the date is so fucking far away is what sucks
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dengeki leak when
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>>144802254
Hang yourself
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With a huge gap in release dates at least we will know if Persona 5 is actually any good or not before hand
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>no "Only on Playstation" on the cover

Timed exclusive.
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>>144802487
futaba's character design is retarded

who the fuck wears a coat like that
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Kanji's character design is retarded

who the fuck wears a coat like that
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>>144802604
i would if i were a hacker
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>>144802721
i would if i were boy
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>>144802487
It would have had that logo that said "PlayStation Console Exclusive" they've been using recently if it was coming to PC. Let's be honest, it's not coming to Xbox either.
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>>144802604
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>>144802895
I N A B A
N
A
B
A
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Take back your virginity.
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>>144803172
How can I take back something that was never taken from me in the first place?
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>Well, the biggest factor in the 2017 release date is attention to detail. When we show off Persona 5 at E3 next week (Next week!), I think you’ll understand what we mean.

Yes, that subbed PV 04 with voices you won't include in the game will be GLORIOUS
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>>144803307
with a shoddy 2017 release slapped on at the end.
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>>144802913
Dragon Quest Heroes didn't have the "Only On Playstation" mark and was released on PC one month later, the new Neptunia game also don't have.

Yep, timed exclusive. I will get it on PC and change to japanese dub with mods.
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Why are you blaming hardin?
He is just the messenger, he have 0 say in the decisions, the best he can do is relay public feedback

Also, are those preorders up again?
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>>144803510
>Atlus is too lazy to localize it on time or give us Japanese audio, the default language of the game
>But they'll definitely port it to PC
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>>144803307
This legitimately has me curious. What could they possibly show at E3 that could make everyone get on board with the 2017 release?

Exclusive content that the nips won't get?
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>>144803510
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>tfw when he inevitably gets revived he will have some shit dub actor again

It's not fair.
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>>144802930
Red Naoto?
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>>144803667
New trailer probably, which would be even weirder since it'd be in japanese.
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>>144803667
Most likely nothing.
Hardin is talking out of his ass, as usual.
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>>144803609
A few months later but they will definitely port it to PC since it's not a Sony exclusive.

It's not too hard to understand that no "only on Playstation", not exclusive.
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>>144803809
>PV05
>Btw no dual audio
>And its 2017
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>>144803667
At the most we'll get PV#4 with subs with the release date changed to February 2017.
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No dual audio then?
>>
>Spend months shitposting about how you gonna have to wait for months tillNA release
>About how jap voices never ever

>Both of these things happen as predicted
>worse news ever!!!!1

I dont get you faggots
Was all that shitposting you trying to kill your own hope unsuccesfully?
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>>144803667
Gameplay demo is the only thing that phrasing suggests to me and goes along with the IGN guy saying then deleting it yesterday.
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>>144803883
Also, most likely Sega will do the PC port since they are very interested on PC gaming lately and they will also publish the game in the west, which is great for us.
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>>144804081
Pretty much, yeah
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>>144804003
NO!
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>>144788903
ok
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FUCKING BULLSHITTERS
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>>144800779

Not really. If you're one of the ones that becomes super famous has a radio show and singing career and has been in the business for at least a decade then yeah you're pretty hot stuff but there's always the mid and low tier guys that have to struggle with the typical Japanese work yourself have to death and suck the dick of your sempai's for peanuts. Look at that one dude from Kokoro connect. And it's Japanese fame which means you'd better not be caught doing drugs or fucking anyone or your career is over.

And you have to basically go to seiyu school and get sponsored by someone to break into the industry.

Meanwhile you might not be able to get A list Seiyu level fame in the US but you probably have an overall better chance of getting a stable paycheck even just being an anime dubber over here. And it's significantly easier to break into over here (relatively compared to Japan anyway) where just impressing an director you run into at a con or touring a studio can land you gigs without needing an agent or classes or anything.

And it can lead to bigger roles like directing and scriptwriting and other stuff you can branch out to. In Japan you're a seiyu and that is your place for the most part.

Though it's easier to get around in Japan where the entire entertainment industry is in Tokyo, where as the US will bounce you around the country since there's studios and companies all over.
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Who do you plan on waifuing just from what you know already?

If you pick the shit poster, you should just kill yourself
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>>144804565
Anne of course. Haru also looks appealing.
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HARDIIIIIINNNNN
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dumb frogposter
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I wish there was a way to translate the text in the japanese version
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Guys, what's the point of all this fighting over dual audio if >>144802487 already pointed that Persona 5 is coming to PC? Mods can easily fix the dual audio issue with a simple mod that will be released few minutes after the release of the game on Steam.
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>>144804676
If the text was in romanji it would help a lot, you could type it into google translate and get the gist enough to get through the game. fucking japan hieroglyphs
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>>144804565

Any of the four girls could work. I honestly can't choose at this point.
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>>144804814
>>144802487
It's funny because the box art isn't even final yet and that is for both ps3 and the steel book. And Japan doesn't do the only on plays tatting check uncharted 4 in amazon.jp there is isn't anything there. So have fun getting btfo like everyone else here did today.
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>>144805264
>It's funny because the box art isn't even final yet

Source?
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>>144805264
WOAH WOAH WOAH there Sonypony. Calm down. Seriously. You are so mad none of what you just said has any coherency. Take a deep breath. Ready? Inhale, now exhale. Good.

Now, can you repeat what you just said in a coherent manner?
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I would cum buckets if there was a PC version. I wouldn't need a modded PS3 or anything to get undub that way.

It's just too much to hope for.
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>>144805492
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>>144805264
>So have fun getting btfo like everyone else here did today.
I think you're the one getting BTFO by people.

I know the PS4 has no games and all, but you're irrationally defending a game's exclusivity? If it does come to PC and to the Xbox One, does it really matter? Are you that childish and retarded?
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>>144805775
you idiot, that's talking about the steelbook cover, the box art, and the artbook cover, and the Disc art, all of which could change a bit. The only thing not final here >>144802487 is the ESRB M rating
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>>144805775
This is for the bonus stuff, not the cover art.

>>144805672
It it coming, it's inevitable at this point.

>>144805814
Console fans are pathetic. They are somehow happy because less people are going to be able to enjoy the game. Thankfully it is coming to PC.
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>tfw have been hyped since the first reveal
>tfw no dual audio is a dealbreaker for me
Another dissapointment.
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>>144806005
You should actually get proof before you spread shit and it doesn't come out.
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>>144805496
>Sonypony
GO BACK TO
>>>/v/
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>>144806005
>Thankfully it is coming to PC.
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>>144806057
Five months and everything getting spoiled killed it more.
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>>144804565
annes personality seems the most fun to hang out with so far
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>>144806004
>>144806005
Source John Hardin said it himself and not just for the steel book for all the art covers
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>>144806005
Not all console fans are pathetic. For one, I own all three consoles plus a decent PC.

I honestly don't really care about console wars. Console wars are started by those that don't have the money to get the games that they want, or those insecure about their console purchase and feel the need to justify it by defending corporations.

Besides, the idea of third-party exclusivity is stupid. I hated it when Nintendo paid for Bayo 2, when Sony paid for SFV, and MS when they paid for the first Dead Rising game. If it's third-party, it should be in as many consoles+PC as possible, just so that I can buy it on the platform that will run it best.
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>>144806363
This aswell, no way I'm not getting spoiled.
>b-but it's about the journey not the destination
Had I known Adachi was the killer or that MC would die from the start I would not have enjoyed P4 or P3 as much, knowing all the twists and how it's going to end makes me feel like I might aswell watch it all on youtube instead.
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>/v/ leaking their console war faggotry
>dual audio fags crying a river

Good thing anyone who actually cares about the game will be leaving this place.
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>>144806570
>Source John Hardin
Soejima won't make a brand new cover for the NA version man. the morgana move looked photoshoped as fuck by an Atlus USA intern
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>>144806363
Not the same anon, but I was honestly shocked that it's gonna take them 5 months to localize it.

You'd think that they'd speed it up and release it during the holiday season.
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>>144803667
It's gonna be a gameplay demo with japanese voices(that you will not be able to experience) calling it now.
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>>144806690
It's going to be like this until the Japanese release and possibly beyond
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>>144806645
Exclusivity is acceptable in cases like Bayonetta 2, where the game literally would not exist otherwise.

It still sucks, but it's better than nothing.
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>>144806674
>knowing all the twists and how it's going to end makes me feel like I might aswell watch it all on youtube instead.
narrative-first pleb lmao
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>>144806570
>believing in Hardin lies

He doesn't even know if they already started to record voice acting.

You lost, man. Persona 5 is coming to PC and Hardin will be the last one to know about it.
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>>144806645
>Enjoying video games and not spouting a bunch of fucking pathetic buzzwords while deepthroating corporate cock

End you are self
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>>144806714
Okay anon think. It isn't final means they might change it back to normal or actually put the only on playstation on there. Also I'm not saying they will make a complete different cover but the basic things are still missing.
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>>144806912
It's not gonna be a possibility. It's gonna be a reality ;_;

I was hoping to spend time playing SMT4:F with /smtg/, but I'm pretty sure someone's gonna go there and spoil the shit out of P5
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>>144806674
I'm still pissed on how I spoiled Persona 4 for myself

>just started it
>hadn't even rescued yukiko yet
>get spoiled out of context that the gas station is the true culprit
>get pissed off and willingly go into a spoiler thread because I already know the culprit
>adachi is the killer lel

Was unspoiled with MC dying though
>>
>I don't need early release because i don't want NIS tier translation
-(you)
>>
P5 will be on the wiiu and NX that's why it's later.
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>>144807021
Lisa pls.

>>144806926
You're right. It is acceptable, but part of me is fucking disappointed that nobody saw potential in Bayo or if they did, they just disregarded it.
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>>144807123
>NX
Oh ho ho ho, the salt when this thing releases and flops
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>>144807123
>Nintendo NyX
>relevant
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>>144807123
>P5 moved to next year
>NX comes out some time later in the same year
>P5 to NX

The salt will be glorious.
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>>144807123
>NX
The only thing that could restore my honor would be suicide.
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>there will be a fan translation months before the official English release

This is so, so incredibly sad.

Do yourself a favor /pg/:


http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/how-to-jailbreak-a-ps3-that-is-already-on-3-55-ofw.1109943/
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canon
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>>144808156
Already done m80. Haven't bought a single game from Atlus apart from Arena since it had dual audio.
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>>144808156
I can only hope. I'll do anything to get my fix now.
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>>144808156
>my fat ps3 died a long time ago and the slim can't be downgraded
>would have to buy a jailbroken ps3 AND import a ps3 version

fuck it, i'm importing the ps4 version and just winging it with any fan translation I can find online
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I'm disappointed in myself for never saving the P5 console reveal screencap.
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>>144804373
Thanks I think /pg/ is getting to me with all this dual audio stuff and those voice actor charts
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>>144806645
It matters to me. if a game comes out on vita and ps4 i always get the vita because it's fucking more accessible and i need the portability. If the game had a vita version or looks like it could like ff12 i'm not supporting it. So yeah. it matters.
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>>144797946
m80, do you have any more rare Kyoukos? She's my shitposting avatar. Please share.
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>>144808156
>fan doing translation for a game that was confirmed to be released on the west

Lol how delusional
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>>144809179

What is Fire Emblem Fates?
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>>144809179
It's happening with God Eater 2. And did with Final Fantasy Type-0. It's not too farfetched.
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>>144809179
bruh when people are pissed off about games not getting localized on time there's always an english patch of some kind
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>>144808884
not him but here's one on me
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>>144809346

It's happening with God Eater 2? PSP version, I'm guessing?
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>>144804565
Ryuji.
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>>144809346
Type-0 wasn't confirmed coming west at that time.
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>>144808868
The fuck are you saying? Did you even read the post?
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>>144809650
the project lead did, they were in talks with square right before
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>>144809796
>Project Lead finds out about Type-0 HD
>pulls in overtime to finish the fan translation
>releases a patch for the game that makes it run at 60fps on PPSSPP

To this day, they are the most based fan translator.
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I WANT TO PUT MY DANGALANG INSIDE HARU
ONAHOLE AND VR NOWWWWWW
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>>144809510
thanks chum
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Why does he wear the gloves?
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>>144809939
That's pretty lewd, anon. Why not just take her to a restaurant instead?
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>simultaneous worldwide release
>QUINTUPLE audio
>consistent and coherent communication with fans

Thank you based Square Enix. I'll buy two copies and mail one to Hardin. I just re-subbed to FFXIV too.
>>
tell me lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7geFvRm1WU0
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>>144810316
neet here, realistically can I learn Japanese enough to read stuff like this in 3 months time?
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>>144810690
0%
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>>144810581

Is it still nothing but dudes dude-ing it out?
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>>144810690
No, because if you're a NEET, you're not going to put in 3 months of effort into trying to learn an entirely new language.
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>>144792053
get a ps3 with cfw
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>>144810690
No.
Also, absolutely not.
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>>144810769
If only. By the look of them they're fucking eachother.
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>>144810615
wtf lmao
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>>144810781
i spent last few days only reading P5 news and playing raidou. if its for SMT reasons and possible I can find the motivation
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>>144810690
>NEET
>doing anything productively

JUST
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>>144810690

全然。
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>>144810615
This is sad famalam.
Get a life.
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>tfw 2017
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>>144797489
Hey, yurofag, I had to import Steins;Gate from UK. You also have Douglas Adams, so I think on the whole we're way worse off than you.
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>>144811790
This. And now I will probably have to import Steins;Gate 0 if PQube doesn't hurry with the NA release.
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>>144810809
I have a ps3 but it's a slim model.
I would have to buy an old fat one unless people have found a way of downgrading the firmware on the slim.
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Do they have/are they gonna have a special edition of the PS4 for P5?
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>>144810915
if you had the motivation you'd already be learning it instead of fishing for reasons to give up in a general
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>>144811992
If they are going to do that they
>A: would have held off release date and pre-orders until E3 and unveiled it on the Sony stage show
>B: will announce it at the Playstation Experience in the fall.
>>
Persona is dead
Turn-based is dead
Long live FF
Long live ARPG
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>>144812192
Gross. I'll pass.
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>>144812192
P5 is going to sell so badly. They think they lie not once, not twice, not thrice, but FOUR TIMES about the year it's going to come out?

No one is going to be interested anymore by the time it comes out except the most hardcore of fans. Looks like it's back to obscurity with this franchise.
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>>144812735
because john hardin is a filthy liar
>>
>February 14

Way to rub it in
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>>144812735
Nah mate it's going to attract lots of newcomers to the series who didn't have a PS2 or Vita and who won't care about the game, spoilers or delays until it's release week.
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>>144812735
normies are very forgiving. I'm pirating it now tho.
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>>144812735
>No one is going to be interested anymore
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>>144812831
>tfw Valentine's day teasing from fucking Atlus
>>
>Release P5 in February when most people will be playing whatever came out during the Christmas period
Its like they want it to bomb
>>
>>144812735
only the hardcore aspies like pg follow each release date closely, and they're going to buy (or pirate) it anyway. the vast majority of people will just see the e3 showing and whatever big marketing push there is when it nears the us dates
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>>144813053
>february
>christmas period

You play games for 2 months?
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>>144813053
I'm pretty sure most games people get for Christmas are done by the time January rolls around.
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>>144813147
yes
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>>144810769
Yeah.
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>>144813147
>>144813176
Not everyone is a jobless NEET like you
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>>144813053
February is actually a prime period for japanese games because no american game is released between christmas and september.
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>>144813142
This. People act like the average Persona fan has been glued to their screen since 2014, anxiously waiting for every last drop of news. They have not. That's what we were doing. The average fan has other things to play/consider. They'll get hyped when E3 hits and pre-order.
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>>144813264
Jokes on you i have a day job and still finish P3 (which is a long game by jrpg standard) in 3 weeks
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>>144813264
Do you think most gamers play everything they get through to completion? Or do they get it, play it for a few days and drop it?

This is excluding your multiplayer FPS Call of Duties and Battlefields, but I don't think we're going to lose many fans because they're too busy in February to stop playing the latest map pack.
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>>144813435
>not having a wife or kids
baka desu senpai
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>>144813765
Disgusting.
>>
Remember when /pg/ was convinced of 2015 and 2016
Remember when /pg/ was convinced Atlus was going to beat FFXV by doing a very close JP/US
Remember when /pg/ thought Persona was mainstream and not niche

You should always remember most of /pg/ is blinded by fanboy goggles and will say the dumbest shit.
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>>144813892
Persona is pretty mainstream, though. Not enough to beat out FFXV obviously but it's quite popular.
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>>144813892
>Remember when /pg/ was convinced Atlus was going to beat FFXV by doing a very close JP/US
>Remember when /pg/ thought Persona was mainstream and not niche
I remember a couple of people saying stuff like this, but a lot of people? Not really.
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>>144813892
I don't remember any of those things.
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Post some tunes that will cheer us up during these tough times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7tHxk9qZY0
>>
What if they delayed it for NA so P5 can be VR compatible so you can "spend" time with your waifu.
>>
>>144813765
My wife's son don't like video games ;(
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>>144814031
Persona is still fairly niche. Like, as popular as you can get while still technically being niche.
>>
>>144814074
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHdOXCoja-c
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>>144814143
>your wife's son won't be a failure like his stepfather
That's a good thing.
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>>144814207
The "nicheness" of Persona is more simply from the fact that not a lot of people delve into the genre in the first place, but P4/P5 as far as tonally and content wise are super accessible to the public.
>>
>We're putting our all into the english dub
>Too cheap to hire union VA's so you're left with a pool comprised almost entirely of complete shitters even by anime dub standards

lol?
>>
>>144814074
https://youtu.be/sbl0DLDWPoU
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>>144814074
Why are we still here? Just to STANDING
https://youtu.be/7XmDYJBZZdc
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FOR VOTING!
FOR JUSTICE!
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>>144814502
The "public" doesn't play PS2 or Vita games anon. P5 being on the newest console will be the final bridge to getting the series to where you think it is now.
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>>144814502
Yeah, P3/4 are more casual. But that's not the same thing as mainstream.
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>>144814672
Man this is the suckiest "Super" Tuesday ever
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>>144813336
I guess what bothers me is that those "average fans" are too forgiving of this shit man. You saw those blog comments, so many of them bending over backwards for daddy John, thanking him like they really did something good here. And you know that's all he hears, he mostly replied to positive comments with "Thanks! glad you are happy! :^)"

they really screwed up and I hope it really really shows in the number of sales come fucking February. But I fear the opposite will happen (as it has happened during the course of P5's development). P5 will be a smashing success, the majority will be fans thanking Atlus USA like they saved their babies with the dubs only and the dumb bag. I'm just tired of this
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>>144814074
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfHfR1jAzWQ
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>>144814785
>voting for capitalist candidate or diet capitalist candidate
>not spreading communism
I hope /pg/ doesn't do this.
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>>144814812
>I guess what bothers me is that those "average fans" are too forgiving of this shit man. You saw those blog comments, so many of them bending over backwards for daddy John
Those aren't "average fans" either.

The average fan doesn't know about or care about development time, schedules, localization, etc. They like a thing, the thing is coming out, and they spend their money on it. They see no need to go beyond that because there is more to their lives than a game getting delayed several times.

Are you really going to be upset because most fans aren't going to riot because a game ended up delayed more times than you feel is necessary?
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>>144793598
I'm not. That anon is just a faggot.
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>>144814987
It really is, and this is the first time I got to vote for something.
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something tells me Yukiko would have weird twelve month pregnancies.
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>>144815353
That something is your deranged mind.
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>>144815353
Yukiko is the type of mom that will abuse her child
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>>144815174
>>144814987
>>144814785
>>144814672
>The AP trying to write off Bernie the day before primaries to deter voting
>Mah superdeligates
I ain't falling for that shit son, Bernie's taking it to the national convention and fucking shit up
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>>144815353
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>>144816069
I don't really think anyone cares. This showing is such a farce to begin with. Although I'm to talk, we had Rob Ford for a full term.
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>>144816069
It doesn't really matter in the end because "democratic socialism" is still capitalism and the United States is doomed.
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>>144816069
Eh to me what matters is that I tried. Even if it didn't work out I voted for someone I wanted to and that was what mattered.

He probably won't get it, I'll wind up not voting in the general election, and what happens happens
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John Hardin is the type of person to vote for Hillary Clinton
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GUYS CHECK THE PS STORE HOOOOLY SHIT
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I can't believe I have to leave Youtube, NeoGAF, 4chan, Twitter, and reddit come September.
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>>144818187
>mfw google provide spoiler for free when you search for persona related stuff
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>>144818187
>and reddit
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>>144788257
So much for 2016 release in NA. Fuck you Atlus.
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>>144818187
Don't forget the boorus, pixiv and exhentai
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>>144818268
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>>144818441
"Adachi is Yu's shadow?" This explains everything.

By which I mean that fans are idiots.
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I'm so sad about the delay I'm probably going to go for a fap record.

What's your record in a night /pg/ I'm curious. mine's 4.
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I WILL NOT DELAY MY SUICIDE ANY FURTHER ATLUS
THIS WAS IT
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>Twitter created a new meme posting leeds and covering it with Morgana's face.
Wait didn't we do this first with the futa girls?
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>>144818839
At least wait until you beat the game before you off yourself.
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He WILL steal back the release date at E3, r-right?
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so atlus won't region lock p5 right

I can pre-order it for europe right

They can't be assholes twice in a row
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>>144818967
What the fuck is a leed?
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>>144819315
>Only twice
lol
They're saying the LE won't even have the DLC, and it will come as free or paid later.
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>implying it'll ever come out
stop disappointing yourself
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>>144819285
I can hope and dream all I want but I know that come E3 all I'll have left is disappointment ;_;
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Is there even a slight possibility of a SEA version with Japanese audio and English subtitles?
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>tfw no gf to enjoy P5 with on Valentine's day
At least I have ny reddit and /pg/ bros
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What will they announce in E3 I wonder

Its probably just going to be some VA on stage right?
Fucking dubfags
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>>144819726
enjoy your spoilers.
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>>144819702
Why would that idea even come into your head?
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If Atlus wanted to simulateounsly release this, they would. They're just trying to get out of the way of a crowded 2016 q3/q4

Of course, so is pretty much everyone else in the game industry. And it's too late at this point to change how they scheduled the localization.
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>>144819772
/pg/'s ability to be angry at things that haven't happened remains in top form.

>>144819671
Well, it's all you have now.
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>tfw just got home and saw this piece of shit news
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKMAAAAAAAAASSNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
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>>144819834
Well, it's happened before.
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>>144818532
>Adachi is (You)'s shadow

Makes more sense.
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>>144819948
>not being angry at all times
>in Marie/Yukari general
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>>144820107
>hating marie
>gofuckingkillyourselfyoustupidhumanfuck
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>>144819935
It would've been impossible to do a simultaneous release, they don't even have VAs for the obligatory dub yet and that shit takes long.
February feels like too long though, I would've expected a November-December release date but February? By the time we reach there everyone will be spoiled and there's going to be no hype at all, only frustration.
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>>144820356
>By the time we reach there everyone will be spoiled and there's going to be no hype at all, only frustration.
I think you overestimate how much most players are paying attention.
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>>144820252
Marie, I know that's you. Your poem form is whack. The cards are ready bitch. Arr Eye Pee MCeeee.
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>>144820356

>they don't even have VAs for the obligatory dub yet

Yes, they do. A PR guy seeing "well the localization process isvery secretive XD i dunno" does not mean "we don't have the dub yet". It's a creative way to say "no comment."


>and that shit takes long.

Localization can be done alongside development.Atlus has done this plenty of times and this could be their biggest title ever.
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I recently finished the FeMC route in P3P but I need more.
Are there any visual novels where I can play as a girl and act like a slut?
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swear to god we go rambo
if you disrespect naoto
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>>144819509
Lewds* phone likes to autocorrect complete bull
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>>144788903
0 please
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>>144821214
Real life?
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Help me /pg/ I don't want to live anymore
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>>144821683
Nice meme
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>>144821868
Thank you!
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>>144788903
just end my suffering
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>P5 was supposed to cure my depression
>but now it's only worsened it
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Dengeki leaks fucking when?
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>NA 2017
Europe 2018 confirmed?
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>>144823058
Who cares about Europe
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>>144822684
tomorrow
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>>144822684

There's probably no new info if no leak.
Everything that could've go bad, went bad...

>Delayed game just before E3
>9 months (importing here) until I play P5
>No new info on the game in Japan
>E3 confirmed shit

Why even continue to breath ? Here, I post this and I stop my breath. by-bye.
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>>144823234
stream it faggot
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retards in /v/ are literally shitting themselves over the change in the US boxart
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>>144823404
Where did it all go so wrong?
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>>144823234
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>>144823404
GG types are LITERALLY this pathetic
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>>144823719
>weeb comparing fucking anime translating to a big scale jrpg
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>>144823719
Atlus USA are lazy jews, nothing new
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>>144823526
>/trash/ that big
>unironically
ebin
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lads should I buy the premium edition? It's $110 leaf bucks
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>>144824420
I had no idea this board existed.
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>>144821991
Please let me die
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>>144788903
why?
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>>144788903
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>>144824908
[s4s] is better
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>>144823719
Hardin is such an unlikable cunt. I understand that he has no sway in this process, but he doesn't even try to be humble, or a little apologetic. He's a condescending bastard through and through.

This might be brilliant strategizing on Atlus's part. Put the biggest smuggest douchebag in their office in head of PR and he becomes a lightning rod for criticism. We're all so busy hating him that we forget to be angry with the upper management who decided on this shitshow.
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>>144825353
That is a nice thing to say :^)
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>>144825401

He's such a shitty PR person. Then again, being a smug shit seems to be a big part of Atlus USA corporate culture. Some of their employees post on their shithole of a forum and from what I've seen they're all insufferable shitheads.
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>>144825401
.... isn't that the entire point of a PR manager though? They're essentially the punching bag for a company so the upper dudes can actually get shit done.
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>>144825678


If you want a punching bag: that's what a community manager is for. This just makes them look unprofessional and poorly managed, honestly.
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>>144825678
>so the upper dudes can actually get shit done.
but in this case the upper dudes don't seem to be doing shit anyway...?
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Reminder Hardin browses this site and probably keeps bringing himself up
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Thank you based atlus

Now I get to spoil everyone
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my ps+ subscription is running out next month. assuming p5 has something like p4's "how people spent this in game day" feature, there's no way that would require ps+ to access...right?
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A reminder that the only reason we don't get dual audio and the localization is so slow is to prevent importers in Japan.
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>>144827046
No, online multiplayer is locked behind the stupid paywall
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>>144827046
Depends if Atlus locks it behind the thing.
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>>144827051
It's not though.
The only reason why they region locked P4A was because it was identical to the JP version, text, O/X buttons/VA
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http://www.strawpoll.me/10428132
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>>144827723
>accept my faith
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>>144827046
You can't even read messages in Bloodborne without a PS+ subscription.
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>>144827723
Fourth option, leave 2 weeks before JP release and come back when I'm getting close to the end of my imported playthrough
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>>144827815
申し訳ありません
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>>144827885
seriously? what the fuck.
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Can I use the outfit DLC from the Jap Collector's Edition on my NA PSN account?
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>>144827723
Why would I avoid the internet? lol
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>>144828348
No, you idiot
DLC isn't region free
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>>144827723
>implying you need to stay off the entire internet to avoid spoilers

All you need to is avoid 4chan and gaming sites and it is unlikely you will be spoiled.
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>>144827723
>caring about spoilers
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>>144828407

Eat shit ! I will leave here mate. I will never be spoiled.
I have a backlog so big to last for at least 2 years.

...assuming I have the will to play for that long.
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>>144828407
im more triggered that you get sub-20k skylines
sub-50-60k if you're in california oh god i hate this state sometimes
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>>144827051
It's 5 fucking months. FIVE FUCKING MONTHS. They've escaped the initial wave of sales as well as the holiday season, and most Japs can't read English competently enough to get through a text-heavy game like this.

Atlus just hates you. They hate foreigners, they hate weeaboos, they hate Europeans, and they supercalifragilisticexpialidociously hate European weebs. They hate you so much that they won't even give you the privilege of paying extra for the Japanese voices as DLC. Yes, Atlus hates you more than they love money. They only make these games so that they can watch westerners squirm in the months between Japanese release and localization.
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>>144829139
people actually believe this, that's the funny part
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>>144829139
Err, yes and no. They view us as lesser customers and are willing to sabotage our version, and thus earn fewer global profits, to ensure somewhat higher Japanese profits.

It's not so much hate as it is an irrational level of isolationism.
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>>144829139

That's a nice summary. Yup. That's exactly what it is.
I can't believe I'm a fan of Atlus's games. The suffering waiting is too grand for my poor soul.
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Phantom is from Sumaru City!
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>>144828878
Everyone in Japan drives cars that look like these though.
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>>144829617
Phantom is from 2017 and only knows English.
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>yfw Atlus USA can release the game on December but decided to postpone it to Valentine Days because they think its epic
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>>144828407
You sure you're not one of those weirdo cosplayers that have a fake Japanese passport for some reason?
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>>144829812
That's not a real thing
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>>144829646
the vast majority of cars on the road are always gonna be little economy shitboxes, at least those are cute
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At the very least, this E3 trailer better be good. The last PV had some sloppy editing.

Fully prepared for just a dub of that PV, though.
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>>144820729
>Localization can be done alongside development. Atlus has done this plenty of times and this could be their biggest title ever.

Not the same anon you were talking to, but I agree with you on this.

This is the worst part of the announcement. Since P5 is coming out in Japan in September, this means that the game is very close to being completed and that they're doing QA tests soon. Given this scenario, I don't know why Atlus USA can't ask for a few copies so that they can at least start localising ASAP.

I'm so shocked that they're willing to miss out on the Christmas season, given that this is their biggest game yet.

As an aside, how hard is it for them to just implement the Japanese VA? I'm sure that there are people willing to pay for Japanese audio. Better yet, they can follow S-E's lead and have it available for free as DLC if you pre-order at a specific time/wave (Drakengard 3) or if you pre-order the LE. It'll keep that part of the fanbase happy.

This may just boil down to Atlus USA being stubborn.
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>>144829869
You don't know that.
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>>144830087
I don't that is why I'm saying that's not real.
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>>144830027
You'd be lucky to get even that. The game is coming out in what, eight months from now? Five months from the Japanese release.

I think P4 only took 6 months or so, and they didn't start localization until it was out in Japan. They probably don't even have the English cast entirely figured out yet.

No, we'll get PV #4 with subs, or there will be some PV #5 that will release in Japan at the same time, and we'll get the subbed version, taunting us with audio we won't get in the game itself.
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>>144818187
>Going to Neogaf

Why subject yourself to that torture?
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>>144830027
***JAPANESE GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE SHOWN***
>>
Does Atlus actually hate us? Do they really not care how their games do over here?
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>>144830060
It's far more likely to be Atlus of Japan. Atlus USA has no reason to refuse dual audio. It only costs a fortune to license if the Japanese branch makes it so by doing a shit contract with the talent agency/VAs. Every other publisher is giving dual audio or more.
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>>144830157
It can be if enough people believe the rumor.
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>meanwhile Bamco is releasing their game one month after the jp release with sub only

HAHAHA ATLUSFAGS
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>>144830060
do you REALLY think atlus usa is the one in charge of those things. like they can just go 'ayy give us some copies m8' whenever they want, or that they're in charge of the licensing that would need to be hashed out (and more importantly the money that would need to be paid to the v/as and agency)

like theyre just too stubbon to copy over japanese_audio.flac into the us pressings, people are delusional sometimes
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>>144830412
>Asia release english
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I Get to say it!

2016 FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH!!!
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>>144830457
That was a legit question, 'cause I don't really know how licencing works in Japan. No need to be all condescending and shit.

Don't be a John Hardin.
>>
Where did that Dengeki thing come from? Are we really getting something new this week in Dengeki?
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>>144828407
Enjoying the radiation? *tears of joy emoji*
>>
>take your heart
>Feb 14

WOW
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>>144830757
boku no google
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>>144830696
In regards to licensing voice work for localizations and re-releases, it depends entirely on the contract. If the contract is good they keep the rights and can use the audio as much as they want for free, without even any royalties.

Games like the Silent Hill HD collection were redubbed because they had a shit contract and would have to renegotiate and pay royalties to some actors they couldn't even locate anymore, even if they had been willing to pay them.

But it's the current year, and game companies have caught on and make better contracts with the talent agencies. If it costs Atlus USA anything to get Japanese audio, it's because Atlus of Japan didn't care to write up a good contract or actively wanted to block them from using Japanese audio.
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>>144830696
licensing in japan works the same as licensing elsewhere, in that the subordinate overseas department can't renegotiate the deal struck with the central body.
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Why doesn't /pg/ learn Japanese?
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>>144830867
Hey man I'm just trying to know if this thing was a horrible rumor or not.
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>>144830810
You are now aware that the game will be released on Valentine's day only to push their shitty puns.
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>>144830979
Because I love dub voices baby! Ashly Burch makes me wet
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>>144830989
Then why didn't you google it lol
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>>144830457
man, if I worked at Atlus USA, I'd bribe or become friends with someone who works at Atlus JP and have them smuggle a copy of the scripts or something, and have the translators start working on them on the downlow to make some progress.
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>>144830810
Man, out of all the dates in the year that's one I can't skip to play P5.
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>>144831526
Your right hand can wait anon
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>>144831443
>if i had a real job i'd violate employee contracts so that i could work harder for no benefit!
ok dude
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>>144831557
Yeah, my right hand can, but my wife can't.
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>>144831791
>if i had a real job
are you implying my current job is fake?
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Who will you be spending Valentines Day with, /pg/?
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Hey guys, John Hardin here. I hope you're all excited for Persona 5, coming this next Valentine's Day. We finally got the ESRB rating, and I hope you'll all be happy to hear it's T rated, so that more people can experience it! Of course, this means we needed to change some things to fit the rating, but I think you'll love it anyways.
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>>144832107
If you start playing the game on NA release day, Anne will be the only one you will encounter.
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>>144832107
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>>144832107
whoever isn't voiced by Burch
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>>144832775
They're all voiced by Burch
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>>144832107
Whoever they push the most since that will be the one with the most effort put into it.
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>>144831026
MAKING US WAIT 5 MONTHS FOR A FUCKING PUN
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There won't be anything for Dengeki this week. It was a fucking lie.
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>>144830392
this qt tho
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>>144833564
>Nyarly rubbing his Erebus on a door
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>>144788545
No internet.....
For 5 months....
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>>144834063
You can always read facebook
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>>144834096
Disgusting
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Ryuji dies
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Hiro is on /v/ discussing new potential rules
>>>/v/340366735
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>a social link with a dog
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>>144835608
old news faggot.

You are almost as slow as AtlusUSA
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>>144835651
>You are almost as slow as AtlusUSA
this is really mean
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>>144835608
>/v/
lol
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>>144835645
If P1/2 had social links, it would be:

>a social link with a shadow
>a social link with a tranny
>a social link with an Arab
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>>144835608
i'd enter this thread if it didn't crash my pc
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Maybe you guys just stop getting excited for Persona 5, it's for the best after all.
If anyone could avoid spoilers for 5 months straight, it's you.
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>>144835939
Do you mean Yu?
He'd reach out to the spoilers as soon as possible and yell it across inaba.
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>>144835939
>If anyone could avoid spoilers for 5 months straight, it's you.
How do I avoid them when I will be dishing them out?
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>>144835939
I'm looking forward to the spoilers, so I will stand guard here and sift through the increased shitposting because I am here forever.
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>>144836098
why would you even worry about that if you're dishing them
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>>144835939
Already happened. It went from being my most anticipated game in years to "Well, I guess I'll play it on release or a little later".
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>>144835939
spoilers shmoilers, where else am i going to get my fix of shitposting?
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>>144835939
>If anyone could avoid spoilers for 5 months straight, it's you.
you don't know me
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>>144836670
good luck with that t.b.h
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>>144835939
Thank you for believing in me.

5 months is a long time though. While I do have the willpower to peace out for 5 months, I can't help but feel I'm going to get spoiler fucked regardless in some strange twist of fate that couldn't have been helped.
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>>144836045
Not my Yu. He's a total spaz.
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it's been almost a day, how long will it holding #1 spot
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Where do I get the cat hat? Does it come with the CE?
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>>144837043
E3 only
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>>144835939
Thank you.
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>>144837110
fug
how do i sneak into e3 and where is it
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>>144837221
Just wait for some smart guy to sell it on ebay and make a killing off you retards.
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No Dengeki leak.
Nothing.
A delay is what we get.

Why such cruel fate.
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>>144837221
Get some friends in the industry.
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>Get some friends
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>>144837221
>and where is it
you're hopeless already m8.
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>>144837381
lol
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>>144837778
Nanashi/Nameless looks like such a raging dyke.
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oh yeah, life goes ooooon

long after the thrill of living is gone
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>>144837221
It's a my house :3

Come alone
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>>144837832
cheerful sounding song always have the most depressing lyrics
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You can watch the anime special over and over from Sept to Feb. :^)
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>>144835608
Why is he so fond of that camel
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>>144837821
Is it american thing? Because where I live his haircut is most common among high school guys.
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>>144838239
Don't forget the let's play in Niconico and moon reader in youtube ;^)
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>>144838281
It's not just his haircut. His face could easily be mistaken for a girl.
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Snape kills Dumbledore
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>inb4 Atlus announced Persona 6 at E3
>Winter 2017
lmao
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>>144838548
He is 15 so it's kind of a given for animu games.
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>>144838604
>not P5Golden
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>>144838745
P5 Vermillion
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>>144838651
Demifiend, Aleph, and Hero didn't look like girls.
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>february
this only confirms that they actually changed the whole script from the get go
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>>144838913
look at those luscious lips and flowing curls
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>>144837897
thanks
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>>144839970
>actual lewd scenes getting censored
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>>144839970
you should post this during daytime, it will get more response.
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>>144840445
not him but I will
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glad i'll have saber holding me over until next february
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>>144840270
>mfw I played the JP version of P3/P4 and it had full penetration
We've been getting censored all this time.
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>>144841592
Yeah Elizabeth was so lewd there whats with the moaning
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>>144841592
lies is not good
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>>144841592
so that's why these games are so popular in japan
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nice and clean
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>>144841592
Hermit had the best penetration in both games
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>>144842058
I want to penetrate Saori.
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>>144842173
Hey, don't be lewd.
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>>144842173
Saori is for /u/.
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>>144842265
Saori is lewd personified.
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>>144842173
>>144842334
do not sexualize saoris
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Saori is so lewd 4chan broke
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>>144842456
then why I never lewd fanart of Saori
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Where the hell are the Dengeki leaks? I can't take this.
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>>144841451
fuck you
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Valentine's Day won't even be playable ingame.
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>>144843212
source?
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I'll go play #FE for a year, see you guys in February.
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>>144842854
there's no P5 on this week Dengeki
they fucked it up and mistook as it is actually for june 23 issue
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>>144843212
but will any of the characters celebrate their birthdays ingame?
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>>144843668
I can't get over their dead looking faces
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>>144843750
just like real people
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>>144843668
I have a strange feeling that we're not gonna get high school teenager shenanigans with this group, since they're professional thieves and all, sure they'll still have fun, but not stupid awkward teenager fun.
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I really wish someone actually pushed them on why there's no dual audio instead of just crying about it. I mean it's 2016 for god's sake, pretty much every single game that's brought over has dual audio now days.
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>>144843857
the only solution is to buy another ps4 and play both version at the same time.

stupid, but it's the only way
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>>144843848
It's a Persona game.
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>>144843848
>I have a strange feeling that we're not gonna get high school teenager shenanigans
ahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>144843848
>I have a strange feeling that we're not gonna get high school teenager shenanigans
You're retarded.

>but not stupid awkward teenager fun.
I bet you $100 USD it will have the same amount as #FE
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will you hype up for another Atlus game with vague release date?

have you ever learned?
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>>144843857
Yeah, I mean COME ON, IT'S 2016 people, and it'll be 2017 by the time it comes out in english.
What the fuck are they thinking?
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>>144844218
If it was 2005 I'd get it, but even fucking tales has dual audio now. I can't wait until FF 15 has dual audio and persona doesn't.
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>>144844131
#FE?
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>>144844297
Yeah, IT'S 20 FUCKING 16
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
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>>144844314
Nintendo's Persona.
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>>144844394
>it will be 2017 when that happened
it won't make any difference if you keep yelling

so stfu
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>>144844486
???
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>stupid awkward teenager fun.
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>>144844514
>it won't make any difference if you keep yelling
Yes it will.

Wake up you ignorant fuck, IT'S 20 FUCKING 16
It's the year of some peoples lord Twenty-Sixteen
WAKE UP
Give us dual audio
We're not back in the days where there was no internet and nobody knew better, it's 2016.
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>>144844648
that purse makes her seem like a middle-aged woman
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>>144844694
>yes it will
get real retarded
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>>144844694
>some peoples lord
Theres only one.
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>>144844648
>Fun
Absolutely disgusting. I demand my Persona games be dour, adult affairs where everyone dies so I can have an emotional reaction.
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>>144844763
nevermind her purse, look at that mess phantom is carrying
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>>144844810
And he is dead. And we killed him. Except he keeps coming back and cursing people.
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>>144844810
and Muhammad (pbuh) is his prophet
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>>144844814
just like Persona 3
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There is a disturbing lack of Anne in this thread
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>>144844814
But I wanna go on a school trip and get cought sneaking into girls tents.
I want to steal a girls gym clothes and hide them in my room
I want to be the victim of a dare to put a woopie cushion on the most boring teachers seat
I want to go to a slumber party and play truth or dare
I want to go debunk haunted rumors with my school buddies.
And last but not least, I want to have the feeling that my stupid jerky friends will be there for the rest of my life.
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>>144845017
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>>144845017
people hate Anne because she's not faithful to you
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>>144845072
I guess it was about time for this thread to get depressing
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>>144845178
wait until you play Persona 5
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>>144845072
Sorry, but you're getting serious adults doing serious things until they realize it's all pointless and die. Because that's what Persona is about.
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>>144844546
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>>144845336
what if they compromised and had stupid awkward teenagers having fun which is all pointless and then they die
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>>144845554
Nah, that makes no sense.
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I just want another bitter virg character to get owned like Adachi did.
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>>144845625
>adachi is a good character
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>>144845625
You're supposed to be self-inserting into the main character, not the villain.
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>>144845701
>Adachi is
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>>144845701
>>144845736
also mitsuo, I need more virg shaming in my Persona games. It's like poetry
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>>144845757
>Adachi
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>all this Adachi hate

stop this right now
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>>144846173
Dude literally tried to pull "It's not MY fault, it's society that is to blame!" to excuse murdering people. He deserves all the bullying.
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>>144846173
People over 21 who are virgins should be given a mandatory mental evaluation, and depending on the results can be sent to a mental asylum.
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Hear me out, I actually think there's still hope for a japanese dub, but there's a catch. The whole time, this faggot PR guy has been talking about this specifically for the US. As we know as of right now, the game doesn't even have a publisher for Europe yet, so it might take a little bit longer to get there. There's still the possibility that whoever publishes the game in Europe will give us the japanese dub, especially as SEGA themselves said they'd be interested in publishing Atlus games in Europe. Seriously, it's actually very much possible and if I have to wait 6 more months just for that, I will.
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>>144846718
So, when'd you hit the bargaining stage?
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>>144846718
Give it up. Atlus and Atlus USA are continuing to dick you raw.
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>>144846276
>excuse murdering people
First one was manslaughter, he murdered one person.
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>>144846718
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>>144847154
>lololol I pushed a person in front of a moving car with the intention to kill it's not murder
Bitter virgins everybody
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>>144847318
>intention to kill it's not murder
>push someone into a TV
>intention to kill
What?
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>>144847369
>Know that it's a dangerous life threatening space.
>push another human being into it willingly, not by accident.
Its the same if you pushed a person into a lions den or burning wreckage.
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>>144846718
doubt
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>there are people believes jp release date also pushed back to next year
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>>144846815
>>144846928
>>144847305
>>144847567
but seriously though. The whole time he specified that he was talking about the NA release, not the western one. Fuck it we're 8 months from the release of P5, what stops us from crying from 8 months on the internet to get them to put the fucking jap dub in the game?
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>>144847529
it's just a prank bro
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>>144847529
>Know that it's a dangerous life threatening space.
But he didn't know that the first time
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>>144847529
>Know that it's a dangerous life threatening space
Debatable.
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>>144847710
Then why are you pestering Atlus USA?
Stop being a child crying over spilled milk and start petitioning Atlus Japan, they're the ones who are in charge, not to mention whichever publisher they get for Europe would also have to go to Atlus Japan if Atlus USA can't even do it.
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>>144847710
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>>144847769
it literally is, though
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>>144848005
JUST A PRANK BRO
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>>144847784
>>144847770
Whatever the guy admitted his guilt and is in prison presumably for life so it doesn't matter.
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>>144847784
Even if he didn't know it was deadly, which I doubt, he had her trapped there with no intention of ever letting her out. At best she'd die from hunger/dehydration.
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>5 months of spoiler dodging.
Just end me now.
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>the japs think P5 will sell about 500k
I know it will sell like hot cakes, but this is too good to be true???
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Where is it actually written that we won't get any dual audio options?
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>>144849075
That's about on par with Catherine world wide, I think.
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>>144849075
what, just domestically?
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So I'm really pissed off about the no jap dub por P5, but after calming down a bit,I remember that Catherine's dub was excellent. Also, P4's was decent too, expecially characters like Kanji or Nanako's father. But still, fuck man. Japanese game, in japan, taking place in Tokyo with japanese people, fucking hell is it that hard ot understand that we want jap dub?
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>>144848738
>presumably for life
>The death penalty is carried out by hanging in an execution chamber within the detention center
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>>144849571
>fucking hell is it that hard ot understand that we want jap dub?
They understand that perfectly.
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>>144849887
They just figured out that they can not spend the time/money and their sales aren't effected.
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>>144849075
Japan onry?

Looks like personafags there are as delusional as us
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>>144849887
what is stopping them from including it in the game in the next 8 months then? Is there some voice actor lobbying in the USA that don't want to comepte with the jap ones?
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>>144845619
that's what makes it Art
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>>144850029
Because they're cunts. Seriously, I can't imagine a scenario where the licensing is so complex and restricted when you have some of the biggest seiyu ever acting in a massively popular game.
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>>144850029
they don't think the ROI would be worth it, and frankly they might be right
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>>144850029
See
>>144849960

Including them would cost more and 99% of the fans will buy it anyway. Persona's audience is too large. It's not like Neptunia or something that's only played by extreme weebs. "Death to all dub" types are in the minority, no matter how much screaming they do online.
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>>144850337
>Persona's audience is too large. It's not like Neptunia or something that's only played by extreme weebs.

Something with a large audience makes MORE sense to have the original voices, not less. You have Japanese games that are too small to warrant a dub, but then you also have games that are apparently too large to sub. Someone is fucking lying.
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>>144850446
But the vast majority of that larger fanbase are fine with dub only. Something smaller has a more niche audience with specific tastes and demands. It's not just about audience size but also composition.
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>>144850559
But there is more profit in a larger audience, so how can it make financial sense to have Jap audio in tiny niche games but not Persona?
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what the fuck does sugoi mean
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>>144850629
Because most Persona players are fine with dub only. Smaller titles stand to lose a larger percentage of their sales. Losing 10,000 sales when you sell about a million copies is better than losing 5,000 when you only sell 40,000 or something.

It's hard to be certain without real figures, or knowing if larger titles also charge more for licensing.
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>>144850629
>But there is more profit in a larger audience, so how can it make financial sense to have Jap audio in tiny niche games but not Persona?

What are you not getting here? The smaller game has to pander to you weebs to even get enough money to be brought over.
The bigger games have bigger budgets and better VA's, which in turn would mean VA's have to get paid more when they bring it over. Thus, the bigger company might not want to go through the hassle of negotiating and licensing for everything to be brought over for a smaller increase in sales, if there was even any.
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>>144850872

The reason smaller games are sub only is because dubs cost a lot of money, and it wouldn't be worth it. Anyone selling a game in america would have a dub if they could.

>>144850892
when even fucking Tales has dual audio, atlus has no excuse.
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I feel sad, /pg/

I think I'll go splurge on Krispy Kreme donuts or something
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>>144851013
What does NB have to do with Atlus?
They are two different companies, with two different ways of going about business.

Dumb spic.
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>>144850942
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>>144851013
someone just post that capped xseed guy's post, i don't have it on hand

you can tell when a batch of people from /v/ show up because this exact same exchange plays out each time
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>>144820456
I want Pikachie to electrify my dick.
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>8 months left

Well I might already forget /pg/ exist by then
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Lmao SE releases another game globally I can't with atlus.
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>>144826036
AtlUS can't do shit on their own. They need their parent company in Japan to set the release dates for them and whenever there will be dual-audio or not.
So, if you want to hate someone, then hate the japs.
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>>144852094
>Globally
In Spain says 2017 while in other trailers it says December 2016
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>>144852179
NA Trailer said December 2016 globally
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>>144852507
>NA

https://twitter.com/VideojuegosGAME/status/740515992367955970
>Sorry for the misinformation. Seems like KH II.8 finally arrives on 2017.
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>>144852831
Holy shit Aqua looks great
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>>144852179
Spain?
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>>144853273
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>>144852831
>https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/740514190163476481

>https://twitter.com/KINGDOMHEARTS/status/740513754891190275

Damn anon I'm sorry
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>>144853762
>They just removed the trailer and uploaded a new one with December 2016

How useless S-E can be?
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>>144853762
My god, I forgot how gay Kingdom Hearts is, lol. No wonder there's so many manchildren.
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>>144854446
it's ok2bgay anon
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>>144854437
No anon it's been like that since I first saw it, I'm the anon that posted first unless you are talking about the Spain trailer then yeah.
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>>144855487
>unless you are talking about the Spain trailer
Yes, I was talking about the spanish one
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>>144829602
It's that one somersault doujin! Gotta read it again.
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ooh la la
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>>144858023
why is there a starfish on your head
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>>144858023
what kind of a name is ulala anyway
is that supposed to be her actual name and not a nickname?
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>>144859230
Urara m8
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>>144859364
still retarded
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I just got out of jail for child support only to see the 2017 news.
Fuck this shit, I'm going back in.
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>>144859364
i wasn't aware that was a real name tbqh, i blame space channel 5
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>>144788903
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>>144859728
How do you go to jail for supporting a child?
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Think about this: the game could be ready months before February 14th, but Atlus so badly wanted to synch their "Take Your Heart" marketing with Valentine's Day that they're letting the localizers take their sweet ass time.
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>>144858023
Deepest lore
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>>144859728
something something cuck
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>>144860138
iirc I think he means that he went to jail for not paying child support alimony to his ex.

He just got Brandan Fraiser'd.
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>>144860565
How do you go to jail for NOT doing something?
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>>144860646
Something about needing to pay for your kids even if they ain't your kids.
Or something.
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>>144860646
When you divorce, normally the judge makes you pay money to your ex-wife to support her son/daughter.
If you don't pay (Either because you don't want or you don't have enough money), you straight go to jail.
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>>144860646
>don't feed your children
>they die of malnutrition
>how do you go to jail for not doing something
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>>144860646
>not reporting for the draft
>not reporting to court
>not paying your taxes
>not feeding your child

there are dozens of examples
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>>144860913
>>144861043
Now how was I suppose to know that I was suppose to do those thing?
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>>144861564
Uh, well for the draft, that's kind of a thing they check when you get your ID or your license.
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>>144861564
Lmao are you one of those kids that crapped his pants when the selective service papers came?
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>>144850762
It's like "awesome" or "radical" but can only be said by a cute girl. it's a stupid troupe that they lean into for some reason.
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>tfw 2017
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>>144862396
Sugoi is manly as fuck yo.
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>>144850762
It means "I'm a dumb weeb"
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>>144862851
oh god poor junpei
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>>144862851
Delete
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this
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>>144862396
thank you

what does itsudatte mean?
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>>144864294
It means "Kill yourself"
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>>144864294
Always.
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i'm never taking benadryl again /pg/ i swear I feel fucking awful
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>>144864660
It usually just makes you sleepy. If it's just seasonal allergies try citrizin hydrochloride, cost-co has a ridiculously cheap version that works fine.
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>8 fucking months
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>>144864787
Opposite for me. I took one last night cause of allergies and now I feel super anxious.
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>>144864869
>>144865097
featuring John Hardin as "the man who trolled the world"
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>>144864869
>>144865097
thank god I only discovered persona this year

it would have been depressing as hell waiting for so long
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>>144865196
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>>144849571
Can't wait, so fucking hyped to hear Yuri Lowenthal as Naruto, Erin Fitzgerald as Morgana and Ashley Burch as Anne, gonna be awesome!

But seriously, I'm gonna drop this game if there's no dual audio, been waiting for this game since the announcement and I honestly don't give a fuck anymore.
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>E3 comes
>Persona 5 shows up during the Sony conference
>Atlus hasn't done any voice work for the game yet
>No dub for trailer
>What do?
>The VAs come out on the stage and voice the lines in the trailer live
>Everybody claps
>yfw
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>>144865480
that shit sound like fresh nightmare. like gradeschool shit.
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>Wake up
>This wasn't a nightmare
>This is real
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I'm so sick of waiting for this fucking game. I've been waiting since 2009, so 8 months should be nothing, but my spirit has been stretched ever more thin, bit by bit, like a bar of soap with every delay.

This delay finally broke me.
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>>144866297
I do feel better today at least. even if all my dreams met their doom.
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>>144866447

You are slave. Want emancipation?
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>>144866447
Chill
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Why are people calling this a delay? The game hasn't been delayed again, it's just coming out later here.
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>>144866915
Oh boy, here I go chilling again.
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>>144867010
Good. Just keep doing that.
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>>144866997
We were told 2016 for NA. this is in fact a delay.
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>>144866997
Are you even at least partially aware of why people want Hardin's head on a pike anon?
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>>144866297
You better start believing in nightmares, anon, because you are in one
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>>144867186
Because they want a scapegoat to hurl their anger at?
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>>144867424

stop shitposting at work hardin
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>>144867424
to be fair, a PR representative's job is exactly that.
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>>144867424
Hardin pls
confirming anything about a game when you don't even know the names of its english voice actors isn't just bad business, it's plain stupidity
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>>144867424
I feel like Hardin haters are getting worked into a shoot so bad. Besides the fact that we've already discussed to death that his job is to literally take blame, think for a second and see how fucking ridiculous it is to get mad at a guy who isn't actually responsible for any decisions that the company makes.
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https://twitter.com/hsgamestudio/status/740552550626119680
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>>144867620
Pretty much. Doesn't mean it's still not shooting the messenger, even if it's an obnoxious messenger.
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>>144867669

i still can't believe they don't tell him things like that
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Nuevo hilo
>>144868206
>>144868206
>>144868206
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>>144802721
real men
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>>144867757

His job is to deflect questions the company doesn't want answered, re-answer the same questions over and over again, write press releases, show off the game to journalists and generally maintaining the public image of Atlus USA.

What his job is most definitely not: shitposting on twitter so he can be a pantomime villain the public can get angry at. If he hadn't so smugly and assuredly reiterated that game would release in 2015(as late as SEPTEMBER) and then did the same thing in 2016, the fanbase wouldn't be remotely as angry over the delays. Pissing people off is the EXACT opposite of what his job is supposed to be. his actions reflect on the company.
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>>144869062
Localization takes time and effort.
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