/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>144600195
>/rlg/ clan:
I love how no one has removed this since I added it.

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First for Chei. Remember to take it easy.

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>>144600195

third for fix pathfinding algo

>>144600432
I kept it because it tells people to make one.

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Can death curses kill you?

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>>144600438
>first for chei
>gets second post
What's the next step in your master plan?

>>144600820
Get real sad. I was going to make a post about how we still have the /rlg/ post, but the first post blew me right the fuck out.

>>144600820
he's just taking it easy, anon

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Dead in 6(!!!) normal hits. What a shit boss.

>>144600768
Yes.

>>144600820
of course, chei hates those who rush. Second is cheifirst.

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DF Fortress Mode is the best Roguelike.

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Is there any way to get back in here? My ninja couldn't handle biclops rock spam.

>>144600820
>chei being slow
Wow big shocker there huh?

>>144602506
That's why I called it a master plan retard.

>>144602420
Nope. Biclops is a great stopping point, by the way.

>>144602420
What game is this friend?

>>144602968
poschengband

Why do all you guys play PCB instead of some other *band? What separates it from the pack?

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She was a little difficult because I couldn't iron spike her without risking the breath attack so I had to lure her around the trees so I could get some stabs in.
>>144603736
Because it's basically a mashup of other bands so it has a lot of content.

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I'm going to sleep, catch you guys later.

Last thread was a trainwreck.

>>144603828

Do the meme enemies get annoying? Be honest f.a.m.

>>144605874
why

>>144605874

Not an argument.

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Ashenzari

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>>144606221
Ashenzari is cursed! cursed!

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Trog

>>144606350

Not an argument.

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>>144606350
That's one of them colourless magic card creatures.

>>144606201
>>144606439
Not an argument.

I'm trying FeMo of Jyiva.

Why the fuck it's so hard. By the time I reach lair everything hurts my ass so hard it's not even fun. In my best run I had to worship Ely to be able to deal with hydras and have a shitty heal that's actually not so bad when you have 50 hp.

Then I reached slimes entrance and there was no altar. So I dived into pits, logical solution. I got killed once on pit:6 because my stealth failed just when I was sneaking past TRJ, and died again after converting because and acidic blob was too retarded to see I was worshipping his god and blasted me with acid.

Long story short: Lair:7 is too hard for a Fe at xl10, so I died after 10 steps outside pits. Send help.

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This is my favourite one (aside from the wonderful ashenzari drawing of course).

>>144606093
Yeah, easily.

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>>144606495
Yes.

>>144606514
What is an argument?

>>144606547
You can't really make it any easier. Felids are hot garbage.

>>144606626
>>144606495
Source on these? They're really good.

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I think this is Morgoth making out with Sauron.

>>144606632

Do they fit well with the mechanics of the game though or are they blatantly forced?

>>144606514

Not. An. Argument.

>>144606774
Not an argument.

>>144606830

>Not an argument

Not an argument. I'm going to have to kick you from the stream for being so unintellectual, not cool dude.

>>144606774
No because they can easily end your 20+ hour run if you're not careful.

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Corwin, Lord of Avalon

>>144606774
What are the "meme" monsters?
There are intentionally annoying monsters like It, Magic Mushrooms, and Dionysus.
Then there are monsters which are just references to shit.

>>144606906
Not an argument.

>>144607058

Not an argument. Sorry dude.

>>144607057
The stupid reference ones like Barny. Tbh it's kind of cool but still.

>>144607262
Not an argument.

>>144607262
Barney can spam toxic waste breath which can kill characters really fast if you're not careful.

>>144607295

Not an argument.

>>144607318

Is there strategy to it though or are the attacks of meme monsters just bullshit that don't fit the area they're in.

>>144607464
Not an argument.

>>144607464
Best you can do is run away and wait for him to approach you so you can bridge the gap.

>>144607262
They're all just monsters. Some of them ate super dangerous for when they show up: Gachapin, Locke, most later lovecraft monsters, warhammer greater daemons. Some are harmless or merely annoying, mario, the flying spaghetti monster, Sheer Heart Attack.

>>144607535

Not an argument. Will you give up already or will you just accept that I possess superior logic and reasoning skills than you? My arguments are arguments, your's aren't.

So boys is there any rogue with as much content as Elona? Given it's not really a roguelike but it's still on here a lot. Whats the next step down in terms of content?

>>144607715
Not an argument.

>>144607729
CDDA easily has the most content by far.
It's all shit though.

>>144607837

FUCK YOU. ONE FUCKIN DOLLAH? IS THAT ALL M8? Btw, not an argument.

Also Cata really is shit btw. Those fucking devs keep adding pointless bullshit and attempting to make the game "realistic" by removing abilities which doesn't make anything more fun just slightly harder in a boring and tedious way. What's wrong with them f a m.

>>144608014
Not an argument.

>>144608014
>What's wrong with them f a m.
They believe that tedium = challenge and that the only reason anyone would not want challenge (tedium) is because they're a casul.
This becomes pretty clear if you ever visit their forums.

>>144608134

What is an argument? Because I know that's NOT AN ARGUMENT.

>>144608254

Have people told them their ideas are shit though? Or do they just not listen.

>>144608302
Not an argument.

>>144608431

You're not an argument f a m.

>>144608371
On occasion yes, someone does step in to call an idea shit.
This is usually met by calling them a casual, bleating "muh realism" or simply dismissing them because they don't have a 4+ digit postcount.

>15 runes may soon be a thing of the past
https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:dungeon:hell-pan_roulette
tl;dr they're proposing that Hell OR Pan will spawn in each game.

>>144608558

>But anon, the game needs to be tedious and have terrible mechanics, don't you like FUN?

This is why I hate Internet forums that aren't anonymous. They always circle jerk fuck.

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>>144608757
Why do they just keep shaving off bits of the game all the time?

>>144608536
Not an argument.

>>144608757

Do DCSS mods just like removing stuff?

>>144608757
If this does happen it will not for a long long time since a lot of the talk I've seen about it in ##crawl-dev has been negative.

> Keeping the demonic rune in a Hell-Pan roulette means an uneven rune count, though. There's a neglected monster set which can be put to work for this- the Holy monsters, currently mostly regulated to one vault in Pan and a lot of cameo / summon appearances. With constant reductions over the versions and years since the first big push to implement them contained many finnicky mechanics, Holypan has the two reliably functional and oldest angels alongside many straggler monsters not yet cut- this seems wasteful.

I support this part though.

Holy rune of Zot!

>>144609052
Yeah I'd be down for a celestial branch.
I did like the subtle flavour of the Holy realm being just another realm of Pan though.

>>144609052
I was gonna say I like that bit of it. It'd be neat to see the holy enemy set get a proper area.

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>>144609262
>>144609281
Yeah and it also balances itself out because angels are hostile to worshipers of good goods so you can't just waltz in and get a free rune.

>>144608985
Starting from around version 0.13 or 0.14 yes.

>>144609262
>>144609052
Hell is Zanzibar land, pan is outer heaven. I'd be down for a celestial branch in hell.

>>144609262
I always saw holypan as kinda a group of "castaways," so to speak.
They got collectively lost in Pan, said "fuck it," and set up shop there.

>>144608936

Hey buddy, not an argument.

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>>144609476
It's more of a resupply camp or outpost for angels while they wage war on the demons.

>>144609479
Not an argument.

>>144608431
>>144608536
>>144608936
>>144609479
>>144609648
where are the arguments?

>>144609648
Stop.

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>Two seraphs and a pearl dragon come into view.

>>144609812
>He didn't dig a klilhole

>>144609894
>>144609783
>>144609729
>>144609648

Not an argument.

>>144609992
>>144609648

GAS THE DEVS.

GIT WAR NOW.

>>144609992
Not an argument.

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>>144609894
>being a degenerate

Anyone else here feel like Nethack (at least Nethack4) is actually one of the easier roguelikes? It feels like I can progress quite a bit further than the likes of DCSS or Brogue.

>>144610124
NetHack is shit and is only popular for le epic meme messages.

>>144610061

Okay, I give up. You win this time f a m (but not with an argument, because that post is not an argument).

>>144610124
Nethack is very very easy.
The only roguelikes I've won quicker are super short ones like OWH, or TSL.
Angband is easier though, I think.

>>144610225
I was gonna quit soon too t b h Not an argument.

>>144610151

Why is it shit? Seems alright. It has a lot of interesting content too desu.

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>>144610151
Well, damn.

>>144610246

>Nethack is easy

Why does it take years for people to beat it then? Are they just memers.

>>144610354
It relies on knowledge checks rather than skill checks.

>>144610354
>spoilers

>>144610151
Rude!

>>144610289
That's how I feel too. It's so mysterious. I find it more immersive than most other roguelikes.

>>144610354
I'm not saying it's easy, but it seems less likely to constantly slaughter you from the start than some others.

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>>144606770
look at the size of that girl's dong
it's right there, erect like nobody's business

>spamming the word "not an argument" over and over

are you trying to force a new meme here

because that is really stupid

>>144610464

Yeah it's actually got some lore to it. plus there's a lot of depth/variety to it. I like DCSS but t b h it kind of feels lifeless sometimes.

>>144610745
Not an argument. Just your opinion.

>>144610354
A)Maybe those people are playing spoilerless or have little experience with similar games
B)Maybe those people are really bad at video games

I got to gehennom twice unspoiled. I quit both times though. Once I dropped the Bell somewhere without knowing I needed it. The other time I did not hhave enough candles to light the candelabrum having used tons before. I didn't know how to teleport level either so going backto minetown would be a chore.

After spoiling myself I won the first time I played a samurai. (Though I did escape in celestial disgrace once before that since I didn't realize that the altar was non-lawful)
It's terribly easy if you know the mechanics.

Is there any use for CBMs which I've already got installed? I can't seem to disassemble them.

>>144611210
I think only certain cbms are able to be disassembled. The rest are essentially trash.

>>144611210

>sell them at a store for gold
>use gold to buy better items
>use items to find better CBMs
>sell and repeat until you can afford the best items
>become invincible
>stay on current floor until harder monsters spawn and kill all of them until you've genocided it
>no more large groups of hard monsters on deep levels
>get orb of Zot without having to fight any Zot monsters on large groups
>Ascend

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>Qazlal worshiper with max invocations
>step down into V:$
>immediately use disaster area
>lose track of how many times I've had to hit space
>it's still not done
Holy shit this is great. Only thing that could have made it better is if I had thought to use an immolation scroll first.

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>>144611871
>one of them actually survived
Give that man a promotion.

>>144611871
>44 EV and 28 SH
LOUD
AND PROUD
YHE UNSTRIKEABLE SHROUD

>>144611871
>even has the rod of clouds
Fucking nice man. Are you the anon from earlier who hasn't won ever? You've done really well to go so far.

>>144612002
CUT ME DOWN OR LET ME LIVE
EITHER WAY ITS ALL GONNA BURN
THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY'LL EVER LEARN

can i somehow increase the duration or effectiveness of Infusion/Shroud of Golubria and other charm spells?

>>144612139
Yeah that's me. I had one character come really close to winning, but I fucked it up by going into hell/Dis and had no idea what I was in for. Died to one of those iron giants I think. He was throwing other giants at me, and he'd throw me if he got close enough. Fucked me up hard. Those guys and the hell sentinels were the only things really giving me any trouble.

>>144612431
Higher spell power I think? They don't last too long on principle, which is really lame.

>>144612457
You should have no problem winning this one. MfGl^Qaz is arguably more diesel than a MiBe due to the much higher lategame power.

>>144615303
what MtG card is that?

>>144615880
It was a mockup an artist who is apsiring to do mtg art did, if I remember right. They did rather well, although it could use a little polish.

>>144615880
Fanart for the non-existent card, Mox Bismuth.

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>>144579993
You are terrible, onii-chan~~~!!
;^)

>>144616726
http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/JacquesDerrida/morgue-JacquesDerrida-20150309-170307.txt

:D

>derrida
I think I understand the sudden influx of shitposting

>>144617079
>jd
>shitposting
Pick one, my friend.

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>>144617368

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>>144617452
Thank you for choosing me, little man!
I hope our relation will yield many a fruit!

>>144617079
If you're thinking of the guy who went around shitposting back on CSZO, wasn't that some other guy with a similar name, but not derrida?

>>144617730
are you sure it's not derrida?
It's got a mighty similar name

>>144617721
Is this any good?

>>144617786
I vaguely remember checking !won for that person's name and them not having shit, but I may be confused.

>>144618145
I'm pretty sure it's derrida anon
he shitposted all the MuMo chats

>>144618196
Yeah, you're right.
I was confusing which one was which with jeanjacques.
Sorry, anon. I shouldn't give the benefit of the doubt.

Who are you, exactly? Everyone is very friendly in tileschat, having a laugh and conversing leisurely. And then suddenly there is an army of vile, bile-spilling anonymous basterds saying rude and hateful stuff...
Are you the creeps that sit silently in the corners on the webtiles chats while everyone is socializing and having a good time? Or maybe the '2 Anons'? Dang mang, that's terrifying!
hehe.

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Reminder that there is water underground.

>>144602420
Are you darkening areas? You know the arena is fully lit by default, right?

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Two fungal flowers close by? No thank you

Just since I'm super salty about wasted thirty bucks on face-glassing difficulty, lets put this into circulation, shall we?

file
dropper
dot com
/cogmindalpha8

>>144619006
Just turn em off, man. They grow wildly out of control as it is.

>>144619335
How do I even turn them off? Didn't see a mod for it or anything in the options menu.

>>144619238
I mean thanks, but
>he actually bought cogmind

>>144619779
Use < and > in world generation to see all the official included mods, which includes options to turn on or off certain monster types

>>144620295
I like the concept a ton, and a ranged based RL seemed neat. Turns out to be impractical. I'm happy I gave the guy bucks, but I'm also happy to throw the link up.

>>144620502
That doesn't work in the latest stable as far as i know, I'm playing 0.C because I got sick of crashes

>>144620641
Well, the stable is forever old. Just play the experimental, and put autosaves high, and learn whichmods dont work

shill+ shitposter

shillposter

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>>144619238
>it's russian dolphin porn

>>144621080
It.... Shouldnt be. Is filedropper a malware site that just drops your files? I dont do this kind of thing too often so I'm not sure of the proper location to use.

>>144621337
Anon, you are so fresh and new. It's cute.
He's playing a trick. Rusing you.

>>144621080
Nah, dude, just re-downloaded and verified the file. The sites weird in that you click the download and then give it a second to pop up the actual download, dont go hitting the button after the fact.

>>144621440
well fuck and here i'm putting effort into being a functional pirate and falling for frogposting and everything wheres my spaghetti pics

>>144621337
>>144621494
Sorry.
I was memeing.
Well I didn't even unpack it yet so who's to say, I might be right after all.

>>144621593

Not an argument.

It's so nice that we never argue any more.

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Is this an argument?

>>144622457
>>144621593
>>144622964
>>144621593
>>144623080

Not an argument. Close though, you're improving.

>>144623219

who even shitposts in /rlg/?

this is like the worst place to seek attention. go do that in something like the /owg/

>>144623374

But I love you guys, this is my home Senpai. Pls don't build a wall.

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wew lad thread almost died

>>144626061
You're fault for not posting roguelikes.

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>>144627382

bumping again

>>144606495
>>144606626
>both /rlg/ races look a best

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>d:2
>4 yaks come into view
>a yak comes into view
>a yak comes into view

>>144631814
>speed 10

>>144632151
Well I returned and pwned them with memetic cloud, but damn, that was unexpected.

>>144609052
Having a holy branch is retarded as fuck. Since undead/demons pawn get fucking wrecked by holy and there's no way to get resistance to it other than to be extremely diesel

>>144633774
>we should remove this floor because a minority of races are adversely affected
By that logic most things that torment/hellfire you gotta go as well.

>>144600195
>The Trident of the Octopus King now has twice as large an enchantment bonus per Octopus King ring worn; can *you* get the legendary +24 Trident?

hmmmmm

>>144634080
No holy pan is fine. There's a chance you won't even see it and it's optional. I'm saying it'd be stupid for them to make a holy branch that wasn't optional. And there are several ways to avoid torment, no ways to avoid holy

>>144633774
Sounds like you need to be gittin gud.

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>>144634080
That's not the same thing you necrophobic shitlord.

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Not the best day for Grinder.
Braise zom :DDD

>>144606626
>bucklers

>>144634613
You're right. Not only is holy pan not guaranteed, but it's completely skippable with no repercussions.

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>free xp, the entrance

>>144636132
That Jelly is going to ravage thine anus.

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>>144636549
That was the least of my problems.

>>144636789
Now go play Centaur Cavalry to cool off.

>shattering my way through zot
>notice only the black draconians fly
Fucking blacks and their superior vertical leap

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>spiritual wounds have finally healed
>feel like ascending some edain
>realize i'll have to install cygwin again

truly the blurst of times

>>144637005
>blurst
you mean the werst

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Are there other games like MaiDenSnow?

>the +11 dagger of Big Bang (venom, SInv, Stlth+)
barzoople indeed

>>144637878
No, thankfully.

>almost lose to the hill giant in telmora arena at level 22
Spell damage is so bad.

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>>144639157

>>144639756
The arena is easily one of the worst places, but also one of the easiest to cheese with the right combo since you are allowed to heal yourself if it's one of your spells.
You should be using a needle in every fight by the way.

also arena is like
one of the most useless places to be

you literally only get to grab the dosh when you can beat a great wyrm of power 1vs 1 without any staves/rods/wands/potions/scrolls.
By the time you can do that, you usually sell junk found in the dungeon for 30 K a pop more efficiently.

>>144640196
I think most people just use arena early on for the free self-knowledge and maybe the detect traps/monsters rods.

>>144639908
Dumb animeposter

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>>144640369

>>144640337
Yeah, I wanted the detect traps rod.

For melee dudes everything up to the mithril golem is usually no issue so I wasn't expecting that much danger.

>>144640553
>detect traps rod
I just realized how great would it be to have such a thing IRL.

>>144639980
>You should be using a needle in every fight by the way.

This sounds like it's only true if your melee damage is shitty.

A warrior-type can easily kill most arena enemies in less time than it would take to get a successful needle instakill.

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>>144600195
Quick, /rlg/!
Give me a race/class combination to play in DCSS

>>144641310

random/random

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>tfw slowly running out of max mana to power the healstick
The end is near.

>>144641310
naga chaos knight

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>>144641402
>Demonspawn conjurer
Atleast it's not a minotaur berserker...

>>144641676
Mite b ok.
Pray you don't get the reduced light radius mut.

What nethack variant should I play

>>144641676
I just figured out that the @ in the distance is a statue-form ogre

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>>144642120
So far i have:
>antenna
>claws

>+2 flame dagger
>amulet of gourmand
>boots

Seems alright, prolly gonna get a stupid splat cause haven't played in a long while
pic maybe related

>>144642551
>statue-form ogre
It's a BiA summoned stone giant you double minotaur.

>>144642551
how about a berserk stone giant from BiA?

the green one is a berserk troll

>>144642389
SLASHEM extended

I want to beat crawl but I refuse to play a MiBe, yet I'm not good enough to beat it any other way

>>144642719
hill ork that shoots makhleb beams all day

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I'm gonna piss off every god and then settle for Xom.
MOM'S GONNA FREAK.

>>144642719
Just go with a melee background with any race that is somehow adept at it.

>>144642719
MiBe is a newbie trap.
Try MiFi or Gl of Oka.

>>144642719
DDFi^Pakellas

>>144643121
I wish the temples were enlarged now that the number of gods is so high

>>144643305
I like this

How high should I take my evo

>>144643335
Well, they are trying.
http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=03b74c0c83cb75e3bcc970b333c0d80ce5f615d2

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>>144643121
>You climb upwards. Welcome back to the Dungeon!
>Okawaru sends forces against you!
>An ogre comes into view
>Gozag incites the ogre agaisnt you
>The ogre goes berserk!
>Xom is mildly amused
I dont know what I expected

>>144643512
all the way to the fuckin sky m8

although hititwithanaxe skill is also important

>>144642621
>>144642628
>Not becoming the ruk-throwing ruk
smalltime

>>144644130
Good apts for both though.
I'm running a DD of Makh and I've got mindelay battleaxe with considerable Invo and Evo. You almost get more xp than you know what to do with.

>>144644130
>>144644489
I thought axes were shit though

>>144642564
Fug this run is turning out pretty gud
>got sif muna
>ring of dex +5
>ring of str +4
>get a Mr mutation from a skybeast
>Book of Annihilations on D:5

Am i going to make it?

>>144644682
Remember these words: you are going to grow overconfident and splat hard. If you remember them, it may not happen.

>>144644791
yea i'm playing pretty uncautiosly as is, prolly gonna get shot down by centaurs. Killed one already tho

Does the listed weapon damage in pcb take sharpness into account?

>tfw you have shatter, tornado, firestorm, and glaciate all castable
It's a good feel

>>144645237
yes

>>144644570
DD have +3 apt tho

if all apts are equal axes take more xp to bring online than e.g. maces

>>144645243
>Gotta cast'em all
Good, glad you're having fun. My (poscheng) dude is hitting 15 times per turn using a pair of ridiculously huge swords and that feels pretty good too

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Cunt.

>>144645513
Guess I do in fact hit for 23 damage, then.

At least it gives +2 wis.

>>144645520
Man, it's so gratifying when it all pays off and you become godly.

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>>144645639

>>144645915
All he did was stand there and spam darkness storm at me. I don't think he ever even moved. Too fucking "intelligent" really.

>Roguelikes.

It's a boring genre that I dropped after a couple ascensions.

If you make a genre with simplistic combat, then why the fuck make it about combat after combat after combat.

I'll day a RPG with a party and a bunch of special actions and spells and feats and shit like ToEE over the simplistic combat of Sil, DCSS, Nethack or what have you.

>>144646753
he maybe spawned that time around with the STATUE_AI mode which is ridiculously awful on a lot of uniques.

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>>144645724
>powered by death 3 + Makhleb heals + exec axe
>tfw not even Tomb tormentspam can out-damage my ludicrous healing

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Spriggan berserker here.

Trog gave me a vampire tooth.

Should I use it or stick to my sick ass rapier?

>>144647262
fug, new and improved powered by death is broken

>>144648436
The catch is that you're only healing while killing, and it works best with lots of things to kill.
When you go up against single targets like the Hell/Pan bosses, you have to be much more careful.

>>144600820
He was just a bit slow anon..

>>144648664
Well before it used to just turn off in hell/pan because there werent any enemies that dropped corpses.

>>144648342
the vampire tooth's base item is a dagger so if you don't have a way to confuse or paralyse things (use wands or needles!) its damage will be shit

although it's an unrand and it's vampirism is better than average in some way that I don't remember.

>>144650670
I don't have any evo or blowgun, so I'll stick with rapier.

>tfw already have 26 STR on my spriggan berserker

This shit is ridicolous.

>be TrHu
>oka gives javelins instead of large rocks
Fucking faggot.

>>144650670
>and it's vampirism is better than average in some way that I don't remember.
I believe it vamps on every hit and gives you the full damage back as health.

>>144609569
well there's a grand cathedral and some outlying temples, so I wouldn't think it's an outpost. I think that it's glaringly out of place in pandemonium.

>>144623374
olympic weightlifting general? You gotta be more specific, there are too many generals on 4chan

>>144652824
>how do i control f

>>144652824
/fit/ pls go

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>A pearl dragon comes into view.

>>144651692
It gives you the full heal, but still not on every hit.
Only Leech does that I think.

I'm proud of your autism, /rlg/.
>>>/v/340169489

What's safer to explore further: deeper parts of lair (6-8) or Snake Pits/Shoals?

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>>144653202
This is what I don't get, in PCB and roguelikes in general they describe dragons as having "titanic forms' yet they slide right into the corridors of the dungeon and take up the same space as your character.

>>144655565
and in chess a castle is smaller than a king abloo bloo

>>144655532
Lair is easier.

>>144655565
That just means the hallway is really wide and the size of the ascii characters doesn't reflect the size of the environment.
For example when I'm having sex it's like throwing a wiener down a hallway and when my wife's son is having sex it's like a Great Wyrm of Power barely fitting in the hallway.

Define Roguelike.

>>144656035
a miserable pile of ascii

>>144656019
You could have at least used monsters in both of your memetastic examples.

>>144656376
just change wiener to ruk and it works

>>144657040
Ruk would imply I'm not wielding a mighty incher.

>>144656035
Fun

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>playing a caster in extended
just kill me. Just fucking end my life

>>144657853
Just ctrl-click spam your damn firestorm, it's not hard.

>>144658019
>cast firestorm
>wake up entire level of pan
ok, my staff of energy can't keep up

>>144658374
Then run around shouting a bit first, so you can blast the entire level at once.

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Should I be using this greatshield even if it lowers my evasion rating by 2?

>>144659228
hells yeah. It takes 15 shields to negate so that's a lot cost and a high yield in defense.

>>144659605
Thanks senpai.
I've cleared L:8, where should I be going now? I've tried looking into swamps, but the oklob plants sting like hell. Is it Shoals/Snake Pits time or should I clear out the rest of the Dungeon? This is the furthest I've ever gotten pls no bulli, I just don't wanna splat like a complete tool.

>>144659945
Clear the dungeon all the way down. Then do orc if you've got the MR for it.

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Attempting to kill Sathla.

>>144661179
>red level feeling

Best to reset probably.
Greater vaults can have some serious shit in them.

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>>144661367
Yeah that j on the bottom there was a spawn and it sort of exploded and now the entire room is filled with them.

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I risked it anyway since I had some escapes and lots of potions and it worked out well.

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W E W
E
W

>>144662073
>It breeds explosively.

>>144662137
>tfw no qt3.14 jf to breed explosively with

>>144662772
you don't need two creatures to breed explosively, anon

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Arthur is next and afterwards probably Smaug, though I don't have a source of levitation outside of my ninjitsu and I don't really know how I'm going to kill him since I can't dance him around the room without risking his incineration breath.

>>144662073
those are annoying, but unmakers are literally the worst

>>144663065
also I think maybe Smaug "is shining" so you need to have/use that dart-in ability, not sure what level you get it

>>144660125
Done, although Roka was a bitch even with five points of magresist. What now?

>>144663339
what are your lair branches? Swamp is pretty easy if you have a way to kill hydas

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>>144663303
These are the only ones I have so far.

>>144656035
No fun at all, but you keep playing because you have terminal tired gamer syndrome with metastasizes

>>144663490
Couldn't find Swamp, only Shoals and Snake pits. I guess it's not a guaranteed gen?
Elven Halls and the Vault are also available, but I recon they're too dangerous for me as of yet.

>>144663990
Elven Halls is easy exp before Shoals and Snake and will make you more likely to survive those.

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>2.0% fail chance
>fails anyway
Fucking bullshit.

>>144663339
If you have done Dungeon and Orchish mines, time to get intothe lair branches.

In order of difficoulty, you should give priority in this order:

Spider>Swamp>Snake>Shoals

Meaning: if you have spiders' nest you should totally do that.

Make sure you have rElec and rPois.

>>144663990
Fuck you already typed that.

Vaults is avaiable only after you grab a rune.

You should probably do sneks, just remember to keep rElec on as soon as you see electrical sneks.

Just don't listen to this guy >>144664101, well you might be able to do elven halls 1, but always check the spells the mages might have and be really really carefull, elven halls is a notorious run ending hole. Keep MR up all times if you go there, since banishments are a thing.

>>144663990
hmm, those are the shittiest branches. Shoals 1-3 might not be bad. Dont do snake without rElec. Shoals 4 is doable if you're careful.

>>144664101
This is a bad choice unless you're stacked with MR. You'll be abyssed.

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>>144664409

>>144664409
>no Stealth in the lower panel
You did it to yourself.

>>144664409
I think from the history of things that you take a lot of 2% chances as you play, and then eventually one of them gets you

>>144655503
>nonstop shitposting
>kids getting angry that Halo isn't a roguelike
>porn dump

Pretty normal for a /v/ roguelike thread.

/vr/ and /tg/ have some pretty good roguelike threads though.

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>>144664409
Das Ex Com Babby

>>144655503
I didn't know /v/ plays roguelikes

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>>144664484
>>144664556
>>144664101
I've tried it for a bit, it's not that bad, but definitely feels somewhat dangerous even though I have max MR.
Also Oka just gave me this thing, timely gift, I guess? Will it be enough to carry me through the snake pits? Have rPoison as well.

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I'll try a dragon later. I was interested in shadow drake but look at that penalty.

>>144665338
Yeah snake should be fine. Just mind constriction and packs of nagas
Use corridors as much as you can

>>144665315
They don't.

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>>144665338
>Awou lol

Oka is a furry shitposter.

Is good for sneks tho. Just take your time, snakes fucks you up if you get careless or bored and walk too far. Snek callers will surround you with faggots, so be extra carefull around them.

By the way, can I see your skill screen?

>>144663505
"nyusin" is the rush attack

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>>144666235
Yeah, this is definitely awoovement, anacondas feel like the only ones that can scratch me, but thanks I'll try not to be too greedy.
>By the way, can I see your skill screen?
I've been trying for half an hour to make crawl windowed because for some reason taking screenshots in fullscreen is extremely awkward and it's almost impossible to take a pic of anything but the main screen. I've even tried creating the tiles options (because there was not one in original folder) file myself and linking it to the init file, but it's all vain. I suck at this and I'm completely lost.

>>144665381
they get to walk through walls like spectres though
eventually

>>144669050
And by that time there are tons of disintegrators around

>>144668950
Crawl is windowed by default for me, what OS are you playing on?

>>144669218
Win7.

>>144668950
can you just toggle fullscreen with alt-enter like in most games?

alternately just copy-paste the skill section from your character dump (hit the # key)

>>144669050
yeah once they become spectral wyrms which is like level 40+

>D:2
>Jessica, Terence, AND Ijyb all on this floor
Jesus fuck how horrifying. Good thing I'm not a squishy character this time.

>>144670176
You get passwall as a death drake which is 30 at the latest.

>>144670293
>implying any of those are a threat unless Ijyb gets a wand

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>>144669926
Yeah, it's just that making screenshots normally would've been pretty handy, I dunno, I'll look deeper into that later.

>>144670418
>death drakes can pass through walls
this is news to me

>>144670426
Well, Ijyb did have a dagger of draining a potion of berserk rage. So now I'm heavily drained and he tore through two of my three starting nets. Also Yiuf was on that floor too. And then Robin was on the next one. Holy shit the game is just throwing a wall of uniques at me.

>>144669050
If you want to pass through walls just play an Ethereal Dragon.

reminder that possessor is one of the sweetest monster races in the game, literally the source of pos from posband, and if you haven't tried it yet you've done yourself a disservice

>>144670473
You should get something like 9/10 invocations to have a heroism and finesse that last a true battle.

For the rest you are doing ok I guess. Remember to train armour when you get access to some dragon armour. Also remember that heroism boosts your skills by 5, but if you have more than 22 on a skill you won't go past 27 while a hero.

>>144672050
I brought invo to 27 on an Oka worshiper once so I could ascend with the 6* title. It was totally worth it.

Serpentine rune of zot: acquired. Is it time for shoals? Or should I finish the rest of Elf:1-3?
>>144672050
>dragon armour
I'm a troll, would I be able to wear it?

>>144672693
Dragon armor is the only even remotely heavy armor you can wear.

>>144672693
Unless they changed it in the last verion, yes, you can wear it.

>>144671012
>and then Elrocha shows up on D:8 and casts me into the abyss as I'm trying to escape
>die to the first thing that shows up
Fuck everything.

>>144672693
Shoulds wouldn't be bad. I wouldn't recommend elf for you. Just be prepared for MURMAIDER and getting mesmerized a billion times. Have ways to fly prepared, and scrolls of noise and fear to break mesm.

>next spell is fire branding at level 33
That might be useful if you got it at, say, level 15. Maybe.

>>144674015
Fire giants?

>>144671564

>possessor is one of the sweetest

Maybe. But that's not an argument.

>>144674508
Not sure what you mean. It's a demon realm spell that gives a non-ego weapon the 'of burning' ego.

I assume that late in the game the main (only?) use is to put fire resistance on your wizardstaff.

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Does anyone have the "Oberon puts a terrible blood curse on you!" "What a noble sacrifice" panel with Chen in it?

>>144675879
Pretty sure Fire Giants eventually get fire branding or something like that.

>>144675879
a lot of branding things show up too late to matter.....the death realm one certainly is lateish and useless. Obviously craft's mana branding capstone is good.

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Which of the four hells is the easier, and should i attempt slime before or after? Also what should i blow an aquirement on, considering i already have the good wands?

>>144677358
Tar, slime first.

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>>144675897
i have this that some anon made

>>144676036
fire giants get intrinsic fire branded melee at level 30, so any melee weapon you wield will get the fire brand

demon mages get a shitty spell that turns a non-ego weapon into a weapon "of burning"

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>>144678712
That's the one. Thanks.

what the fuck is chen and why does rlg like it so much

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So after a little bit I decided I'll play a chaos drake and I chose death as my realm. I'm a little worried that the 294% penalty might make this a slog to play through but I have my hopes up. We're a little over halfway done with the Warg quest and I'm already level 8.

>>144679346
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Chen

>>144677668
>tfw strong enough to tab TRJ to death
I expected worse

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>>144679749
What the fuck how?

>>144679842
Fuck if i know, it didn't even spawn that many jellies and i was sitting at -16 corrosion the whole time

What does a Phantom Mirror do in dcss?

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Finished off at level 10, not bad considering humans usually end it at 13 or 14.
>>144680215
Copies an enemy and the copy is an ally but the mirror breaks in the process.

>>144680282
yeah but it'll be really sad when you're still below 40 at the point where humans are usually 50