/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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Ohayou gozaimasu, /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's play our best today!

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Good luck in your playthroughs, /rlg/!

>>144480783
I've heard that eye of the dragon is the worst relic.

>DCSS crashes when you use shift click to drop items more than three times at the same location

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>mario
>red mustache
Should I kill this imposter?
>>144482503
I have a good feeling about this run.

>>144482321

Thoughts on CDDA? Is there anything else like that game that doesn't suck. I want an open-world rogue like that I can craft and explore in.

>>144482681
>clicking

>>144482681
Take it as a hint to learn keyboard controls because they're faster.
d to drop, or shift+d to drop the last item picked up.

>>144482547
It really is. But my downfall came from trying to link with a modified chindi that sapped all my max HP down to 4, and then later walking into that fotia pack with only one healer out and drained HP even though I knew it would not end well

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>>144482681
>using a mouse

good stuff yeah?

>>144482763
Elona I guess. It has a definite goal unlike C:DDA but the grind and weeb shit is unreal

>>144482681
>mouse controls
I bet you eat with your left hand in Asia too.

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IS THIS PIZZA CASTLE?

>>144482894
Either way, I decided to start a run as one because of your screenshot. I wonder how well I'll do. Earlier today I made it to Tower:7 for the first time. I skipped Anomaly because my party had beenhurt pretty bad clearing Tower:6 thanks to Ludoc and his summons.

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>>144482681
>DCSS will never spawn a semi-functional RV/MML that I can use as a home

>>144483020

Can you build stuff in it?

>>144482681
you only just found this out? it's been a crash/exploit for ages

>>144483348
>>144482851
>>144482883
>>144483042
>>144483348
>not using a mouse locally to spare your left hand from tabstorming
What's great about this bug is that it will roll your save back a good 50 turns, sometimes even more, which makes it exploitable.

>Destroying walls in the slime pits also destroys the slime around them
why didnt you people tell me this sooner, fuck

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>>144483476
>being a savescummer
What's the point in even playing a roguelike?

>>144483476
Console local doesn't support mouse use you absolute heathen.

>>144483476
>scumming
For what purpose

>>144483476
savescum get OUT

>>144483476
just forcequit in task manager if you're that desperate to cheat. hell you can kill yourself by failing at removing bionics and when prompted to enter your final words just alt + f4 and reload. it'll leave behind your corpse and you'll be alive, cloning the items

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>>144483476

>>144483716
>deliberately crashing the game to roll back your save isn't savescumming

>>144483161
Anomaly is a treasure trove of exp and currency which helps a lot if you can clear it, but you should definitely skip it if your party has trouble with Fotia or Aeras packs. But you can usually just walk away from them.

>>144483412
Like vehicles or buildings? Not really, although I guess you can set up a house on the world map but it's mostly just placing items in it. Maybe you want something like Unreal World? I've never tried it though

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>>144483716
>every offline player is a savescummer

>>144483890
>he doesn't know

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I save scummed my way to my first win and it was then posted in the op of the next thread. I'm sorry everyone. I have lied to you.

>>144484414
Why would you do that to yourself?
It would be a hollow victory.

>>144483829

I tried URW, couldn't really get into it though. It's a decent game, just wasn't my thing. CDDA has got a great crafting/building system but the game is so unbalanced it's just terrible desu senpai. Maybe someday the game I want will exist.

>>144484414
How do you not kill yourself every hour that you're alive?

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>>144484414
Absolutely disgusting.

>want to try to build my outer heaven again
>but I can't will myself to play without editing the .jsons so that there is far less clutter, crafting recipes make more sense, zombies aren't as shit and guns are powerful yet limited.
This must be how the DCSS devs feel. How awful.

>>144484414
neck yourself

I think I forgot about how Demon still has mouse input.

lol death by huo shu

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And we're finally back! I went and got something so there was a little bit of silence but as soon as I got back I when to go kill Smaug. He's a really easy unique as long as you can outspeed him.

>>144482321

So are roguelikes just long grinds with shitty graphics and permadeath?

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>>144486074
The craft book isn't that bad actually.

>>144486258
no

>>144486258
You might think that if you have an IQ below 85 :^^^^^^)

>>144486258
GET OUT
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>144486258
>>>/v/

>You will never tenderly embrace Jorgrun as he casts Petrify on your nether region.

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Man, I always hate it when I fail at linking on the first floor.

>>144486693
Get some MR or else! Otherwise, get outta there, especially if you're a gargoyle.

>>144486390

I've been playing DCSS and that's what it feels like senpai. I like it but it seems like 90% of my deaths are from not paying attention because I've been playing for a while. Is there any strategy to the fighting other than coming up with efficient builds?

>>144486842
>gargoyle
Just fly lmao

>>144486846
git gud

>>144486846
become proficient

>>144486074
Smaug is only seriously a problem for characters on a low period of consumables and/or ones that rely on bolt spell damage for a long time (especially as he sometimes is the one who drops their next good non-bolt damage spell spell in book 3!)

>>144486279
weaponmastery is "it increases the damage dice of your melee weapon" effect

the craft buffs are all very strong, it's just hard to keep buffed especially if your mana pool is non-mage (and doubly so when you're a melee character and in the thick of it so you have to phase buff1 buff2 buff3 quaff re-engage type of thing). Craft has very good spells but many of the best ones are buffs.

>>144486846
try to fight in corridors, stairs are your most important ally, dont walk into dangerous ares with unidentified potions/scrolls, holding down Tab instantly kills you

>>144486846
MiBe + Exec axe

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This never gets old.

>>144487379

I understand that already, but the whole game seems grindy af. I like playing it I just expected it to require more critical thinking, people told me roguelikes would require lots of strategy but desu this one doesn't seem to. Not trying to shitpost I just don't know if I'm missing something.

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I think this little nigga can carry me for a while.

>>144487958
Those "90% of deaths" are because you're NOT applying critical thinking in combat, most likely.
The next time you see yourself get into a tight situation, stop. Quit hitting buttons. Think about your options, your consumables, your surroundings.

>>144486846
You can't even grind in DCSS until postend, where its largely useless and somewhat forced due to how awful pan is. Player skill is important for getting through the early game, and a big part of that is knowing how to make an efficient build with what you have. It can be as simple as a mummy fighting who drops shields and gets a smaller investment in M&F so he can use a +0 dire flail to kill the yaks instead of trying to get a great mace right away. Do the best with what you have.

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Where are the caaws when you need them?

Hey guys, just started playing DCSS again, I'm playing a merfolk gladiator of Maklehb (Can't remember the damn acronyms or be bothered to look them up.) named Aquaman. I'm pretending the demons are just really evil fish, you see.

I've got 7 runes so far, including abyss, slime pits, cocytus, and tartarus. I'm almost finished with Dis... I've cleared to the boss room and I'm pretty sure I can take him without any problems.

Where should I go after that? I've been mucking about in the abyss, I've got I've got some pretty sweet gear, including some pearl dragon armor I bought at a bazaar, but my main problem is I have no particularly compelling f+ gear. I've got some +5 fairy dragon armor, but I like having 35 37 32 on a merman. I haven't done Zot yet because I'm still butthurt about having my Link run ended by an orb of fire on my way up a staircase, so I want to go prepared. (I have scrolls of fog and blink stockpiled this time just in case.)

Some details, I have 27 in polearms, dodging, and fighting. Been training shields since I finally dropped my trusty +7 contaminated halberd, it's up to 22 and I'm using a large one with +5 slaying and +3 strength. Armor at 14, stealth at 13, and invocations at 19.

I've got some necromancy, and my transmutation is almost high enough to safely use necromutation when wearing my ring of the magi. (And statue form if I train earth up a little.)

I have a +7 demon trident of piercing, and a big pile of syches with various brands sitting in a pile in the vesti. I've also got some transmutation books, and could easily cast dragon or hydra form if I trained my unarmed.

So where to? Use the fairy armor, maybe settle for r++ or crappy rings in gehenna and zot?

Should I keep training Necromancy, learn hydra-fu, or shore up my core competencies?

I haven't played stone soup in 2 years. What class/race should I go for my return?

>>144488330
CENTAUR CAVALRY

>>144488330
Merfolk Gladiator of QAZLOUD. Hit 14 polearms and 20 ev before lair, and hit 20 invocations by the time you leave lair:8. Explode the whole dungeon from there.

>>144488279
You can easily take on zot and abyss, and if you want to go for the full 15, you're more than ready to jump into pan. Post a dump so we can see your stats more efficiently please.

>>144487958
the parts where you died were the parts that needed more critical thinking

>>144487958
When you're good at DCSS the main challenge is to not get bored and do something stupid. Since the game is designed to be almost 100% beatable when you play well, a good player knows what to do to win and the only challenge is executing the tactics correctly for a few hours, which gets boring.

But the combat is not that simple, especially for a not-good player.

It's up to you to decide if you're good enough that a death was from boredom or from being bad and blaming it on boredom.

>>144488143

But the thinking is so easy. I always die to getting myself into more than I can handle, if I just spent more time grinding or didn't explore so quickly I wouldn't have died. I just get bored/overconfident and that's always what kills me.

Also, should I be killing everything before moving to the next level of the dungeon? That's what I've been doing but idk if that's even necessary (for the XP).

>>144486258
yes

but if you know the right tricks you can get around that last one :)

>>144488932
I get overconfident is code for I don't know the enemies ability to kill me

>>144488220
>carrying the rod of chaos strike

what is it even good for? confusing uniques?
non-unique enemies just get polymorphed and returned to full hp

>>144488932
>Also, should I be killing everything before moving to the next level of the dungeon? That's what I've been doing but idk if that's even necessary (for the XP).
Git gud.

>>144488932
>But the thinking is so easy. I always die to getting myself into more than I can handle
So... you die because you're not doing the easy thinking?

>>144489292

Yeah I just zone out eventually desu senpai.

>>144488330
go for the new shit:

Vinestalker monk of ru

Is it best to go auto or manual for stone soup?

>>144489461
auto less time wasting managing skills more time tabbing things.

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>>144489367
Play a spellcaster so you can't tab.

>>144488932
You don't have to kill all the dudes. And grinding literally isn't a thing due to a few factors. 1 is the deeper you go, the more experience you gain from killing enemies. Clearing all of dungeon 1-5 does not compare to later when you start getting the exp heavy enemies like yaks. 2 is that if you stay too long on a floor, it will start spawning heavily out of depth enemies that WILL fuck you. 3 is that outside of these OoD spawns, normal enemies will not respawn. You literally have to keep diving to see more enemies that won't wreck you. Most of the early game is knowing how to run, how to pull enemies away from groups, how to gauge your strength vs. the enemy and which enemies you just don't engage.

>>144489461
manual

>>144488571

Working on it, haven't used paint in ages and I'm trying to find it.

>>144489757
You goof. Press # to dump a morgue file. Copy the text from that file into a pastebin and give us the link. Those big compilation images are never as good as the actual dump.

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>>144488571

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>>144487806
(i'm keeping The Fishingpole in my house in case I want to go fishing though)

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I think it might just get burned up but this is a pretty decent drop.

>>144482321

>tfw managed to build near-unbeatable character in DCSS and was clearing everything
>would use mushroom men as meat shields whenever I got in trouble
>also trained in Necromancy even though I'm a minotaur because fuck it why not
>I can teleport my undead to me whenever I get separated
>have overpowered armor
>feel like I'm brute forcing the game so I kill myself

Why did I do this? Meh.

>>144489945
that's not a dump anon.

>>144490261
>minotaur
There is your problem.

>>144489850
>>144490272

Gotcha, I'm kinda new at this, hence the Merfolk of Maklehb. Looking for the file now.

>>144490261
>baby's first pseudo-diesel

You're cute.

>>144490393

Well what should I play as then?

>>144490391
It should be a text file that only has your characters name in the morgue folder.

>>144490261
Is there a spell that summons mushrooms now? I thought you could only get them from fedhas.

>>144490607
Whatever you'd like, my man. I'm just fucking with you for being new.

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>>144490261
You're not OP until you have 70 AC.

>>144490607
What part of the game were you at? I find that unless your character is REALLY obnoxious, depths and the fourth floor of your rune branches will give you some amount of trouble. Vaults too, if you only have 2 pips of MR.

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>monk
I'm magically inclined, right?

>>144490695

>Minotaur
>Worship Fedhas
>Learn Necromancy from book I found

>>144490775

Yeah I know, but which characters are actually challenging? Do vampires count?

>>144490629
>>144490391
>>144490272
>>144489850
>>144488571

Okay, here's the dump: http://pastebin.com/uDqaWtvm

>>144491004
formacid warpers, my friend.

>>144490930

I died in vaults I think. I was clearing them easily, I felt like I was ruining the game so I just went down as far as I could and walked into a bunch of dragons without any of my soldiers.

>>144490987
probably not
do you take 50 damage when you successfully activate it? (don't try near ground loot, it will ruin it)
It's only 50.

>>144491004
You're a lying sack of shit. Maybe you should actually learn a god's conduct before you make up stories that involve using them.

>>144491004
Have you heard the good word of MuMo?

>>144491297
>be Demonspawn of TSO
>chopping down all my brethren in pan with my holy exec axe
feels traitor man

>>144491297

Minotaurs can worship Fedhas though. Did something change? I could evolve plants, cause storms or something, make a ring of plants, etc is that not Fedhas?

>>144491046
You definitely want 2 pips of rF, 1 minimum. You can scoot by just barely with 1, but Cerebov and Asmodeus will tear you a new one. You'll want to swap around some jewelry and armour to see if you can fill your resist hole.

>>144491608
Fedhas hates necromancy.

>>144491608
fedhas gets asshurt if you desecrate corpses

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>>144491608
>Fedhas hates the spells: Animate Dead, Animate Skeleton, Twisted Resurrection, Sublimation of Blood, Necromutation, Cigotuvi's Embrace (0.16+), and Simulacrum

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>>144491252
Yeah it's only 50.

>>144491652

I could use it though, I'm not lying. Is there any way to get around this? I may have been wearing a ring of favor or whatever it's called where it makes your god happier with you and more forgiving of transgressions. Really not lying senpai so idk what's up. If I already had a lot of piety would I not notice if the God was mad from my necromancy?

>>144491652

I've got 2 rings of fire and the faerie dragon armor. (which is +7, I was wrong.)

Looks like my AC would go down 7 points to 28, and my EV would go up 3, I could put on a ring and be safe from fire, but I'm a bit worried about pointy objects. Guess I should let my fish do the fighting against the tough ones.

Other than some inferior body armors, that's it.

>>144492003
Well first of all it would stop you every time you cast it with "are you REALLY sure you want to piss your god off senpai?"
Doing so invokes penance, which you WOULD notice because Fedhas starts throwing elemental magic miscasts and hostile plants at you. The amulet of faith just makes him dole out your punishments sooner.

So yeah, something doesn't add up here.

>>144491398
>play mummy of elyvilon
>pacify everything in the dungeon without needing to kill any of them for food

the one true pacifist win

>>144492003

Wait a minute, I remember it now, I had this weapon that would spawn stuff when I killed with it. There were vampires/zombies?/etc that got spawned by it. I thought I was using Necromancy too but maybe not, I stopped playing for a while after this run.

>>144492576
>fedhas doesn't hate zonguldrok
devs fix this

>>144492576
That's probably because you were using the Sword of Zonguldrok, which is completely different.

>>144492356
Losing 7 AC isn't the worst thing in the world. 28/40 is very respectable, and you'll take far more damage from fire than you will melee attacks.

>>144490907
How did you get it that high?

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>46% chance to defeat MR

So these numbers are not accurate, right?

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HOLY FUCK I JUST WANT A RING OF SPEED GODDAMMIT

>>144493073
>not playing a cpa-wearing cheigarg

>>144493148
it's probably wearing an unidentified ring of MR or something anon

How come nagas can't get a tail spike from beastly appendage?

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>>144493184
meanwhile, vilya +1d30 wild brand BoC >4d30 buffmonster at lightspeed taking on an etheral form and consciousness expanded, invulnerable, resistant to magic, and feeling like a keeper of commandments.

>>144493073
Being a gargoyle, +10 CPA, maxed Armour and Dodging, +8 EV & +4 AC from jewelry.
Not even Cheistats.

>>144482321

D-does anyone here play Wayward?

>inb4 insulted

Okay, I'll leave.

>>144493675
What is wayward?

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>>144493535
oh yeah and with my other hand I beat things to death with my phallus

>>144493675
It was fun beating it once.

>>144493302
HE WASN'T REEEEEEEEE

>>144493728
I vaguely remember it being some sort of island survival-roguelike thing.

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>>144493535
>>144493747
Don't taunt me.

swordmasters get a toggle to turn any weapon into a wild weapon i think

seems pretty fun

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I guess that's what I get for not bothering to get a fairy right before my final encounter. I had a pretty good feeling about this run. I found quite a lot of credits on the first three floors and I died on the fourth. However, I had very few items collected; I think I only found one heal gem and it was a wasted one when I used it.

>>144494000
>You will never beat your enemies down with your mighty phallus
>You will never wage war in the name of the mighty Dcks man

>>144494142
That kasha looks pretty dank
I always get a hard on for modified kashas
You even caught Vikhor, nice. What was your starting demon? The freybug?

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>>144494232
>+1 speed
Man this grind sucks.

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I found this little goldmine.

>>144494420
I started with a slime but it died rather early on.
Even though the Raicho that spawned with Vikhor had the holy modification they weren't too hard to kill before they could do massive damage, even with all the light-weak party members (my character was light-resistant). I managed to chase him back into a dead end of the floor that I had already explored which made him easy to link to. I had enough credits to probably do another fusion at the time of death but I wasn't sure what I'd want.

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How many new tiles did they add? I kind of like this one, but I don't know that its better than the old wyvern.

>>144494142
>vikhor
How. I can never catch the stupid tsundere tornado loli.

>>144494907
Try your best to chase him in explored territory, and of course you need to kill the raicho he spawns with VERY QUICKLY.

On note of the Freybug, I fused it with a will o' wisp because I found the solid will o' wisp so I figured it could have been a nice candidate to give some dark abilities and resistance. I've found that while it is expensive, fusing demons can have some lovely results.

>>144495057
Is fusing strong enough? Because I was gonna suggest on the forums that fusing should give you a limited selection of abilities to choose for your demon instead of two random ones.

>>144493401
That's a good question. They are allowed to constrict with their tails, so they obviously play a combat role. It's not like giving them a tailspike for BA would be overpowered.

>>144495376
I think it's done randomized so that you could gain abilities you did not have access to before. It's definitely a risky investment, but you gotta keep in mind that some modifiers can potentially modify a demon better than others. I once fused my echeneis with a zombie and it got some nice body-type attacks as a result, making it a great frontline fighter for all my run. Also, don't forget about the resistances that could be gained if they're a part of the modifier, which can be really good. I don't think you can fuse demons that have contradicting weaknesses and resistances, though, like you can't have a charged (electric) echeneis.

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Go for extended or just finish with what I have?

>>144494452
>abloo bloo grind while using 555
......
the game feels like it goes faster when you just play it imo

>>144496023
>extended
>without tso

>>144482321

>not playing the original rogue

CASUALS

>>144496414
TSO is a crutch in extended. It's very possible without her.

>>144496475
Maybe some day.

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>>144496475

>>144483476
>>>/roguelite/

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>>144496371
So it's shit either way?

>>144496414
>>144496554
Honestly, TSO isn't even the best god for a lot of characters. The free rN+++ is nice, but if you can muster up another source of rN, you'd rather have someone else.

>>144487285
I meant it's hard to keep buffed versus dispellers

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>Tfw I keep splatting my nagas and cheifriends in lair to stupid shit, even though I know better
I have to unlearn months of automated foot evocation. This is the worst.

>>144494104
yes, swordsmasters are buff as hell
there are so many good swords in the game

>>144496675
nah it's faster with 555 but more of a game without it
but I feel like the pacing of depths and drops is very important and intentional. You get these nice small finds that matter for now, with occasional spike mid-or-long term finds too., instead of jumping immediately to the post level 50 behavior of autodestroying 99% of the eighty billion items you're generating per second while using recall and clairvoyance abuse to hunt for vaults on angband 99

and then you save being able to ACTUALLY adventure the 555 and 666 dungeon areas once you kill the Serpent too.

>>144482321

Has anyone heard of _________?

>>144497054
no but i've played ||||||||||||||||||||| and it was ok

>>144495771
>I think it's done randomized so that you could gain abilities you did not have access to before
I meant like, you would get 5 random abilities, 1-2 of which are meta abilities, then you get to choose which 2 the newly created fusion gains.

>>144496767
yes but it's easier as a ranged caster than as a melee unarmed combat hybird was my point

craft has great spells, but the best ones are melee buffs and not many craft characters get huge mana pools

>>144496870
take it easy

>>144497157
Ah, like when gaining new mutations in Caves of Qud? I reread that and I thought of that. I'm okay with how it already is.

my legs doesnt regenerate during sleep and i cant use first aid kid on them
does it mean i actually lost my legs ?
what do ?
game cataclysm dda

>>144494907
>stupid tsundere tornado loli
Does demon have an OPM reference or are you juat exaggerating?

>3% chance to get marked
>get marked the first time anyways
ok

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>no speed
Into the fucking trash.

>>144497179
I'm trying anon. Feels bad though. When I first started, I could chei no problem. But now...

>>144497267
Your legs are broken. You need to craft a leg splint and take it easy for a few days.

>>144497286
I was not intending to make any references. I just assume that Vikhor is a loli because its true form is obscured, and that it's tsundere because of its link and how Vikhor gets mad like a tsundere if you fail it.

>>144497287
>1% chance to get abyssed
>straight to Abyss:5, do not pass go, do not collect 200 abyssal runes

>>144497336
no you're fucking retarded you save that
first off key multiple high resists
second off "what is scroll of artifact creation or reforging"

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>>144497546
I have this thing though and I can't even wear the balance mail because I'm le monk.

>>144497140

Ah, cool. I played that too. How do you get past level 4 though?

>>144497157
Random is fine, you're already allowed to select what type of abilities you get by selecting the modifier. If you didn't already know, you can view the pool of abilities you get by right clicking on the modifier label.

Also big dice rolls are what makes roguelikes fun. And if you're allowed to directly pick two abilities, most people would probably end up just picking the best ones every time

>>144497686
oh right I guess it is pretty heavy but even so...I dunno. Maybe just sell the dragon armor I guess, but it's not so common. Most characters get one from ... arena? A quest? Something guaranteed usually, not sure if monks get that there or not.

>>144497887
>most people would probably end up just picking the best ones every time
"Best" depends on your build though. Demon has very high build variety.

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>>144497968
Well I got these too and the ultimate craft book so it's not like the scroll was wasted.

>>144497696

Level 4 is the level cap if you're a mule. You can use items to boost your stats though.

>>144498931

So are mules just joke characters or something? Can't descend past D 8 'cus monsters get too hard. Is there something I'm missing b/c items can help but not that much...

Is there anywhere to see a list of abilities and demons for Demon?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX7zPlQjAr8

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One of these guys is not like the others.

>>144499393
Kek.

>>144499393
>Robin mights Blork and throws him at you
If only. Did you pick a random altar?

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>>144499321
>not being a gold dragon wearing all the gofast rings

>>144499763
Yeah. I'm playing a demonspawn wanderer because why not. I'm probably the least familiar with how to worship Sif Muna but I'll see where this can go.

In PCB as a dwarf life pala, beetween a 30 AC armor or a 17 AC with my only source of fear resistance, wich one should i choose?
My only experience without that resistance was fighting the Minotaur when i changed to a higher AC armor, expecting a physical fight. Obviously i almost died from panic because i didn't consider it, but maybe if im aware of it its not much of a problem, what do you guys say?

>>144500048
how are you up to the minotaur without having found a single good armor with elemental resists and shit?

>>144500221
Both armors have basic elemental resistance, so i took them out of the equation.

>>144500048
also you can deal with fear using heroism or boldness potions

>>144500048
what realm are you? crusade gets Heroism very early on, which gives some +temphp, some +accuracy, and 1xrFear. You can also buy potions of heroism in town at the temple. Boldness might also stock, it's more powerful at anti-fear but doesn't have the other small buffs of heroism.

Berserk makes you immune to fear, as does the book 3 death buff spell Battle Frenzy (if you're that kind of cleric)

I'd take the AC for now, and manage fear by not taking tons of damage or using consumables or a spell

>>144500308
Life.
Guess i can sacrifice 1 item slot in favor of 12 AC and stop bringing back every single piece of (good) equipment i find. After selling The Cloak of Merry or Pepin or whoever the fuck it was for 2 AU at CLVL 7 i've been having a hard time not checking most item that spawn.

>>144500632
>the cloak
fug selling that hurts a ton
the gloves of pippin and hat of sam are both much weaker than the cloak of merry

>>144499305
Not that I know of, no.

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Got a bit too overwelmed by Hell effects. The first three branches went so smoothly. Suddenly reapers and Hell Sentinels out the ass.

Oh well, RIP.

>>144500839
RIP. Dis is just awful.

>>144500729
Believe me, when the merchant taunted me and i saw both the selling price and its attributes i was stupified for 5 minutes. It might have been even earlier i think, since i was still scrapping by to buy a perception stave.

>>144482721
Which game is that?

>>144501035
poschengband

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I have a question. Why is V:5 harder than Zot:5? Because it objectively is.

>>144501117
thanks

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>>144502084
>This is no gift.
>It is a curse.
>It bears an Ancient Foul Curse of Morgoth.

>>144502340
>tumblr nose
Fucking nasty.

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I feel like I shouldn't have made it this far, and yet I have. Demonic guardian is great, even at this low level.

>>144502340
>posting gorman comics
>It isn't the one where link is fighting and he says "my legs ain't broke yet nigga"
Apply yourself.

>>144502893
>A.

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>no dicku

>>144491046

This guy again, beat Zot, Hell, and Tomb in that order. Got necromutation up, a bit low on restore abilities and cure potions, but I finally found a sustain ring, so that's the last big gap in my arsenal.

Things are going well, gonna hit Pan tomorrow.

I've 15 runed once before, but it was a Mino of TSO.

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>>144503219
You did good anon.

>>144503356
You're done with hell and tomb, so you don't really need sustab anymore except for Mnoleg's realm. You should update once you're done with this run. It streamlines postend a little more.

>>144503442
excited labyrinth cheese guy

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He went down easier than last time.

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>gay bowser

>unseen horrors can't fly
I find that odd. It somehow makes them a little creepier, even if seeing one trapped on an island make me go like "lol you can't fly nigga."

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*unsheathes fists*
*phase doors behind u*
heh....easy.....

>>144504657
Man why do you always end your fights with stupidly low hitpoints and shit?

>>144504702
How else am I supposed to play?

Shining eyes are like wretched stars if their mutations were permanent.

>>144504889
Just get an amulet or resist mut-

... Oh wait.

>>144504702
>224
>stupidly low
explain yourself

>>144504889
Shining eyes are green, eyeball nexokeks that can't accidently not malmutate you.

>>144504978
>Just zap it with a wand of acid, pop a spider bag and tell the spiders to eat the eye, bob a bob to bob the eye, keep slimes between you and the eye until it gets close and dunk it, use portal projectile to shoot the eye, blast it with a phial, or LITERALLY just win the game instead

>>144505042
All his other screenshots he kills the boss with <15% HP. And 200 hp is danger zone against potential Greater Titan summons.

>>144505228
Does Malmutate bypass MR? My last character had maxed out MR and only picked up two malmutes from them. So I dunno if I was lucky or there's a correlation.

>>144505651
Yes, you got lucky.
Alternatively, you were a halfling.

>>144505731
Do I look like the fucking hobbit to you?

>>144505768
Don't talk to me or my gardener ever again, you Sacksville-Baggins!

What roguelike is according to you the most fun you've ever played?

Cataclysm DDA for me

>>144506174
Cata for me as well, with crawl as a close second.

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>>144506174
PCB and DDA.

>>144506174
Silcand Brogue, my Kamchatka.

Cutting up or disassembling shoes in DDA shoul give you shoelaces you can disassemble into long strings, or even better, two long strings, cutting the middleman.

>>144504702
he's a craft monk. It's not like he can help it.

How do I stop playing DCSS?
IA is too hard for now and DoomRL just looked, boring.
ASCII gives me a headache after 20 minutes
I need another roguelike in my life help me

>>144502957
underrated post

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>>144507313
Play PCB and use tiles.

>>144507313
It's hard to switch, but you've got to try.
DCSS is pretty "low-bullshit," which is probably why changing it up is giving you problems.

>>144507313
Take some tylenol and play Brogue you pussy baby bitch boy.

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>>144507408
THE HORROR!
THE HORROR!

>>144502340
>No safety to be found in a sword
>Its no gift
>What is the fucking the riddle of steel
Link is a total pussy

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>>144507458
LOOK AT IT!

>>144507681
KILL ME
FUCKING KILL ME

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>>144507713

>>144507408
>>144507821
Tiles looks worse than ASCII so might as well use ASCII.

>>144507821
how many times do I need to tell you that is awful

why do people even think tiles are a thing that should be

>tiles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi8za2kTJDs

>>144507681
NO. I THOUGHT THIS WAS REMOVED

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>>144507458
>>144507713
>>144508065

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>>144507848
>>144507879
>>144508065
Didn't even summon.

I kinda wanna try out Qazlal, what are some good characters that are good for that?

>>144508324
The ones that can fight large amounts of enemies coming in at the same time. Strong melee characters.

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R.I.P Santa

>>144508324
Merfolk Gladiator. Get 14 polearms and 20 EV before lair (You can do this and invest fighting some too because merfolk are fucking dumb), and dump ALL the lair experience into invocations. It should be a neat 20 after lair, which is enough for Qaz's last ability to fucking WRECK everything. After that, reinvest your melee and defenses until they're solid and get 27 invocations. At 27, disaster area will literally 1hko everything. OoF's, ancient liches, 30 dudes at once, Seraph's, Panlords. EVERYTHING. Make sure to use the first ability (AoE explosion) to kill hydras and other bad dudes like boggarts, and never use the elemental ability because its shit.

>>144508243
Nice if that tile is his Crown.

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WHAT DOES THE SCOUTER SAY ABOUT HIS POWER LEVEL!?

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>finally got my first Rune ever in the Shoals
>died in the Elven Halls to a dancing weapon

I just want my first win

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Should I actually be using any of these? I just tried phoenix and it sort of sucked.

>>144509921
Dying in elf is a time honoured tradition for tablords. You're doing well, sweet summer child.

>>144509102
Alright sounds good. Is an amulet of faith good for Qaz or am I better off with something else?

>>144510174
Its pretty great because it lets you spam your disaster area more, but spirit shield is just as good.

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Alright I'm going to sleep guys, had a lot of fun this run so far. I'll be back in 5-6 hours.

>>144510557
bye savescummer

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>>144510586
my favorite meme

>>144510683
anyone who plays offline is a savescummer
everyone knows that

>>144510586
It really could not be more obvious without him coming out and admitting it, could it?

>>144510738

see
>>144483476
and
>>144484414

and ponyposter
for all we

>>144510738
>>144510586
is this a meme or an educated guess based on how the guy always wins fights with low hp

>>144507313
Play shiren the wanderer

>>144510878
I wouldn't call throwing the "he's a savescummer just because he plays offline " an educated guess. But the fact he won with low hp could be an educated one.

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>>144510773
>for all we
>WE

>>144510878
Its both a meme and an educated guess. We've had people scum in the thread before, so we're somewhat wary of it.

>>144511084
>>144510975
>>144507214

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>>144510878
The thing is that there are a lot of people thatsavescum PCB.
Some people can't let go. You play a dude for thirty hours just to get to level 30, then you die to a double mana ball or a failed teleport, not even when you're halfway through the serpent.

Grinding game breed savescummers. Like Elona for example.
There were tons of people who admitted savescumming to get better mutations in elona.
Not our dicku, though. He remained pure.

[ETERNALLY MISSING DICKU]

>>144510878
It's an educated guess based on a lot of things.

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>>144511320
>this entire post

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First time finding a magic portal. Am I prepared for what's beyond its shimmering waves?

>>144511502
Quaff !Cmut and train some fucking defenses for fucks sake.
>shitload of base armour
>+13 to AC
>+5 shield
>31/22 Str/Dex
>STILL has only 26/8/18 defenses
You should be 40/20/20 right now.

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>>144511460
I already gave you the citations. I'm not trying to convince anyone here, I'm just saying what I think. There's people who play Elona/Pcb and don't savescum, there's people who do. It's not a rule.

And really, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, they are doing it to themselves. Nothing would ever beat the feeling of having your win in the OP and knowing that *you* savescummed it, like >>144484414.

The worst punishment we could ever think of for a savescummer is putting his achievement in the OP and cheer him on forever, so that every time he thinks about it, he'll remember that his win was hollow.

At least, my MuMo win was online.

>>144510878
Partially because he posts like an attention whore like that other faggot.
Also he plays incredibly dangerously which will get you killed in PCB.

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>>144511684
>deformed
I tried to get the basics first.
9 invo
10 evo
9 shield
20 for the axe
Small focus on fighting and armor.
After I get that 20 on the axe, I'll punch it on armor and fighting.

Woops oaky I misread that
sorry
pay no attention to the man behind the curtain

>>144511872
Also, no curemute.

So, should I enter or not? I have no experience with this area yet.

>>144511872
>deformed
That's why I said quaff !CMut.
You don't need any more invo for Oka, nor any fighting for a long while.
As soon as axes hits 20, get 10 dodging, right away.
Every ~1.6 levels of armour gives you 1 AC once you cure your mut, otherwise every 2.75 levels, so train it accordingly.

>>144511872
If your delay is good, you can put off getting more axes for more important things. Like EV above 20. A big part of mummy fighters is getting like .8-.9 delay on a great club and ignoring M&F for like 2 rune branches because not dying is more important. Enough killdudes and enough not dying to dudes >>> more killdudes and ded to dudes. Magic portals can be pretty dangerous, but its usually worth checking them out. Make sure you have !resist before jumping in though.

>>144512021
Pony poster is a reformed man. He'll be getting his 6 month chip soon.

>>144512161
I haven't found a single cure mutation potion, since I got deformed. :(

>>144512117
What is "the magic portal"?
Ice Cave portal? Wizlab? What?
The exit is nearly always very close to the entrance, so if it looks spooky, you can leave.

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>>144512209
Thanks for believing in me.

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>>144512246
Wizlab. It was easy.

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Qaz OP.

>>144512871
You know, your character is literally the only kind of character that would want to wear that. We call that Maxwell's Coffin.

>>144512942
I don't cast. I don't 'port. Only thing I know is tablording, and listening to Phil Collins.

>>144496676
have you ever gone TSO and spammed her holy flame thingy ability, raping adjacent and then some demons/undead and getting piety and HP/MP for it

>>144513452
Yeah. But there have been plenty of times where Ashen/Veh/Chei have helped me cast endless tornados while shattering, or Makleb was already feeding me HP/MP. TSO is the obvious choice much like Trog/Oka are the obvious choices for early game, but there are other gods.

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What the hell kind of a trap is that? Is this the end?! Not quite the software bugs but still.

>>144513824
it's called a "free xp" trap.
Go southeast and stairdance them all.

man I thought you were joking the last time but you are actually dumb.

>>144513902
The irony is lost on this struggling, sleepwalking mind...

>>144513580
Ash in extended loses half of her attraction. She becomes marginally useful for clarity/sInv (well I guess clarity is a bigger deal now that they removed the amulet) and completely useless for skill enhancement since you have a bounty of XP, equipment you want to swap out, and often a source of sInv. Her biggest attraction is her passive magic mapping, but you usually have some magic mapping scrolls saved for boss pan/hell floors anyways.

Vehumet in endgame gives you nothing but MP and spellpower.

Makhleb in endgame gives you nothing important except for HP on kill.

TSO gives you a myriad of these things, MP on kill, HP on kill, sInv, a holy weapon of choice, a spammable demon/undead killer, and some battle buffs. It would be very difficult to argue that TSO is not specifically suited for extended game and is not preferable over most other gods for extended game.

>>144514187
Vehumet also gives increased range on spells, which I feel is the biggest thing.

>>144514187
SInv is not a value point of TSO by your own logic.
Also if you're following Ash/Veh/Chei and casting level 9 conjurations then you don't need the battle buff or cleansing flame and as such TSO offers only HP on kill, MP on kill, and rN+++.
Like anon said, he is designed to be the god of the postendgame, but he is like the Oka/Trog of postend. He's great, he's east, but there are other gods.

Are migcal items in poschengband marked in any way?

>>144514187
What I'm saying is that these gods offer things that TSO doesn't. It isn't to say that TSO isn't "optimal" for postend, its just that he is optimal in much the same way that Trog is for 3 rune. If you take Chei or Ashen in the early dungeon, you don't ever want to swap really. Not only does it fuck up your skilling, (ashen bros.don't go above 22, which is a HUGE advantage in Pan/Hell since you get shatter/tornado online super fast, and Chei bros. can't cast without their roids), but their wrath is kind of shitty and you don't have a real reason to do so. Ashen offers tablords easy haste and other spells, Chei just offers raw power, Veh lets you cast big spells easier and you get increased range. So on and so forth. Not everyone wants to tab or holy hand grenade at point blank, and you have no real reason to if you can literally tornado/shatter repeatedly.

>>144514883
Migcals are too powerful to be afflicted by human-readable markings.

>>144515180
What then, pick up every item and carry it until there is a hint?!

>>144514832
>>144514693
>>144514907

You can certainly go other gods for postend, you can even go godless, so this isn't about what's feasible. I'm arguing against the statement

>Honestly, TSO isn't even the best god for a lot of characters. The free rN+++ is nice, but if you can muster up another source of rN, you'd rather have someone else.

If you were forced to pick a god for a random character to go through extended game with, TSO would be a top choice even if she didn't offer rN+++, contending with Makhleb and Zin.

>>144515629
Well. TSO isn't the best god for a lot of characters. He's a tablord god. You don't get his full benefits as a caster master and rN+++ can be gotten elsewhere.

VSTm yes/no?

>>144515629
Yeah, no shit. Just like if you were going to pick a god for a random character, you'd pick trog. However, you do not player random characters. Nearly every character is planned from the start. If you're a GrEE or DeFe or SpEn, you probably want someone with a little more oomph. You can go Kiku -> Ashen, grab necromutation and do other shit because you can respec and need really low requirements to cast big things. The second you have statue form or necromutation, (or if you're just a gargoyle or dude with inherent rN or lots of rN anyway), TSO starts to look pretty bad. Its more of a matter of "why would I hit them when I could be a tornado?"

>>144515906
VS anything is really great. They're a dumb race.

>>144515617
Yes.

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So I'm playing that merfolk of Qazlal. Made it to lair, and did a few floors of that, go back to my stash on L:1 to drop some shit off and read id some scrolls. Had a scroll of acquirement, had no idea what to use it on so I went with the "always acquire armor" meme. Got fucking boots off the assassin. I have never gotten these before, so of course it gives them to me on the one character that can't make use of them. Fuck this gay dungeon.

>>144516919
That's because that meme is wrong.

The correct meme is "always aquire wand", not armour.

>>144516919
You know you still get confuse stabs and distract stabs right?

>>144516919
The ironic thing about
ALWAYS
ACQUIRE
ARMOUR
is that while its aiming you towards the wrong path, it actually points you towards the most optimal acquirement if you really do acquire a.

Weapon (if shit weapon) > Rod (if no magic) > wand > armour (especially if naga/centaur) > jewelry

>>144516919
>complaining about the boots of 15 runes
you're bad.
You're a really really bad player.

>>144517332
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.

>>144517506
I feel like this meme should always include a reply guessing its own post number.

>>144516984
What about when your evocations is shit? Is wands still a good idea?

>>144517098
I don't have a source of confuse yet, and nothing to distract with either. And I ran out of the nets I started with so unless I find more I can't get net stabs.

>>144517202
I'm not sure what exactly it is that you're saying.

>>144517332
Yes I am quite bad, so bad in fact, that I have not won a single character.

>>144517709
The wands you want from wand acquirement don't require or benefit from Evo.

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>>144517909
>>144516984
>Something appears at your feet!
>x - wand of enslavement

>>144517709
Armor is typically one of the worst things you can acquire since even a good piece of armor will be somewhat low impact compared to a good weapon/rod/wand. 'a'lways 'a'cquire 'a'rmour implies that by mashing the shit out of a, you'll acquire armour. When really you'll get a weapon.

>>144482321

Has anyone played cogmind? The developer is pretty cool but dat price holy shit famfam

>>144518740
Fuck off shill.

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>find labyrinth
>go in, find the center easy enough
>kill mino, and get ready for some awesome loots
>there's only like 3 items, plus the two things he had on him
What le fug. Every other labyrinth I've done there's been like 10 or more items there. What gives? Did I just get lucky before, or did I get unlucky this time?

>>144482321
I'm a sissy, am I allowed to die in roguelikes?

Is a wizard lizard 2 really a roguelike?

>>144519000

But I didn't even buy the game senpai it's like 30 fucking dollars

>>144519215
Unlucky.

>>144519407
You've now "inconspicuously" mentioned the name of the game, how the developer is cool in "your" opinion and the price of the game.
The only logical explanation for that is that you're a shill because the game is a buggy unfinished mess and all around shit.

>>144519592

Whatever senpai

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The new music+this splash screen sent me into all sorts of feels

>>144519682
We had someone playing it the other day, but as you can see, some of us get super shitty about it for no reason. The other guy said it was pretty fun though. Occasionally someone will post a megaupload link so we can try it, but its mostly that guy who thinks he is still in /v/.

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IS THIS GUD PLS HELP FIRST TIME PLEY!

>>144519995
Why don't they just rip all the mythology from Kalevala.
Great and deep story just sitting there waiting to get roguelike'd.

>>144520458
Try it.

>>144520458
>*Ancient Foul Curse*
I'm sure it can't be that bad.

>>144520790
Worse than hemorrhoids?

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>clown god

>>144521848
Looks like a drum to me.
Or a little girl.

>>144521848
>hide covered
That's a drum.
And Xom is the clown god.
>>144522662
>Or a little girl.
How.

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>>144522739

>>144520458
>permanently cursed
>AFC
Not really.

>>144522739
>How.

It's 2D and little so I want to fuck it so it's a girl.