/rlg/ - Roguelike General

first for android race a best

>savescumming in the OP

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I feel like an anime character.

>>144769909
You must worship Dithmenos to get the full nothing personnel kid effect

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Let's settle this once and for all!

http://www.strawpoll.me/10423830

Is there a way to check for what items have spawned in the game, even if the floor they spawned on no longer exists? I'm zig scumming and worried I might have missed an item

>>144771337
artifacts, or common items?

>>144771337
no, you can't see which items have been lost forever in zig/pan/abyss

FR: unrands left behind in those areas are added back to the item pool

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Calm the fuck down son

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>Start new character
>Sell some useless shit after wargs
>See this in the shop

No.
Fuck you game.
Never has anything this good been sold at any shop.
Jesus fucking christ I'd murder for this.
If someone tells me I should've played a Meme-Knight I'm going to find them and kick them in the balls.
Literally perfect.

>>144771550
unrandarts
>>144771604
and, oh, ok, I didn't know that. I'm not so worried anymore.

>>144771681
Jesus I can't play DDA for more than 5 minutes anymore

>>144771681
man, that's giving me memories of throwing all the junk in my pockets at manhacks because my encumbering-as-fuck armor plus zweihander meant i could never actually hit them in melee

i think they nerfed throwing shit at dodgy enemies some time since I last played though

>>144771719
well if you're telling us not to tell you, you know you should have done so.

>>144771721
fr stands for feature request
that isn't currently in the game AFAIK

>>144771719
>only 150k
that's a pretty good deal
too bad you're poor

>>144771974
oh, I now I am worried, I thought it meant 'future reference'

>>144771798
Why?

>>144771824
Good thing I've got a diamond katana then. Jesus fuck this thing is strong

>>144772141
>not using a FLAMING ZWEIHANDER
i'm disappointed, anon
your choices are objectively wrong and uncool

>>144771719
The version I built for myself fixes the dosh knight exploit.

>>144772141
>Why?

I've already figured it out and finding food is tedious as hell

>>144771970
>>144771974
>>144772237
Fuck you.
Goddammit.

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>>144769169
yay! I'm in the OP! My damage was pretty insane near the end there. I hit 23 of the last 24 attacks against the Serpent, which is pretty good when your damage is pic related.

>>144769874
I'm going to eat your corpse in Hell 666 like I did for Oberon you lying dirty double minotaur who didn't come to termcast. seriously please cut it out, it's a legit win and I want to enjoy it

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>>144769169
>>144772729
oops wrong image, that one is from much earlier

This one shows the insane damages.
With Grond and a set of Gloves of the Berserker with +1.5 attacks, I get over 2k damage per round versus evil.

Helm of Ares is great, even though having a no-resist/utility helm is rough on the swaps. But those dragon boots were incredible and carried me through having lots of damage-only slots.

>>144772729
>damage 555
heh

anyways anon you know i love you, i would never seriously accuse you of scumming <3

>>144772356
Finding food is literally just "find anthill."

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Alright, so I've just gotta win twice in a row in Wheel.
I can already feel that shield on my arm.

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I got a axe of distortion as a gift, took it off, and was taken to the abyss. How dead is this run?

>>144772928
other highlights included
117% liferating (after about 5 !NewLife)
Maxing out 4 stats despite lucky's -2s all around
Wild Blade of Chaos 1d30 and Vilya's +3 weapon dice is definitely a combo

Hades, Hermes, Zeus, the Master Tonberry, and some random early human uniques are still alive. I might clean them up at some point but it's not really necessary. I did kill the Unicorn after winning.
This Cloak of the Nazgul (+9, +8) [1, +15] (+2) {SpSl; -WiLf; -Li;CoPoNtShBl;FaSi} was my cloak almost all game long. The vulnerabilities negative liferating were annoying but the other pluses were too good to turn down.

Stone of Life for president. I wore The Jewel of Judgement for grinding/dungeoneering purposes for a long time at 50, but pre-50 and for the Serpent the Lifestone was just amazing.

Getting the gloves of Miphistopheles was really lucky and awesome because I wanted to all-in dual-wielding weapons on this character.

Apollo's harp was great but I also wouldn't have minded wearing one of my other +5 speed shooters, that can actually shoot! I needed the rLight to make up for my cloak though, and the clairvoyance was very helpful when collecting !*Healing* but not having access to shooting damage was problematic at times, and most warriors do use actual shooters

>>144774281
Deader than dead famicon, start running.

>>144774281
Maybe you haven't noticed, but there's an abyssal rune of zot RIGHT THERE

Spam brothers in arms and berserk,if you die you gotta do it with style.

>>144774281
>wield-identifying weapons
anyways distortion is actually a really strong brand, idk why you would immediately take it off unless it was a shit base type (in which case why did you try it in the first place?)

>>144774661
I did notice, its tempting. I'm not ashamed to admit I have never gotten a single rune before, at the very least I could touch it...

>>144774848
holding the rune also makes exits much more likely to appear

>>144774804
Unfortunately I didn't actually want to equip it, hit the touch pad with my arm and it equipped. I was fighting hydras in the lair and thought fire would be better. Not a smart move apparently.

>>144774848
Just do it.

Spam brothers in arms.

Spam trog's hand.

Fuck piety you gotta grab it man, getting abyss rune in los as soon as you enter is a bless. And it makes popping exits faster.

Burn everything to grab it. Haste yourself with that wand. Get agility. Godspeed anon.

Been playing videogames for 6 years now and this is the first thread I see on 4chan /vg/?

Really shows how pathetic this place is.

>>144775118
(you)

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>>144775275

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>>144775109
We did it boys. Now to escape.

>>144775495
seriously you probably wanna use trog's hand to regen

just sitting around mashing 5 to heal in the abyss ain't a great plan cause you'll always be getting interrupted by more monsters

>>144775495
Is your first ever DCSS rune actually the abyssal rune?
Nice.

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>>144775495
I literally identified the axe I got and the portal appeared... The luck is strong today!

You're fighting two enemies. One is far more difficult than the other.

Do you kill the stronger one first or the weaker one?

You should be able to answer this.

>>144775628
there are SpAks who have gotten the abyssal rune in <200 turns

>>144775703
oh shit now you own bestaxe
well maybe not yet because nothing in lair cares about magic, but it's great later on
and the base type is still better for damage than your current one

>>144775703
Well that was lucky indeed.

Also that exec axe is thebest axe you can get for now.

Now don't splat horribly after this.

>>144775818
Yeah but he said it was his first ever rune.

>>144775628
Yes, my first ever is. Literally the furthest I have been is dying to the 27(?) headed hydra in Swamp.

How do you feel after they just removed decks in Crawl (except for Nemelex followers)?

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>>144775779
I kill both at the same time.

>>144776001
Well that's something very few people can say. I've won 2 games and I've never got the abyssal rune

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This actually made clearing O:2 about a dozen times easier than it would have been.

>>144775779
depends on the situation obviously

if the difficult one's a squishy glass cannon like an orc priest next to a regular orc, i'll kill the priest first

if it's a tanky motherfucker like an emperor scorpoion next to some tabfodder spider enemy i'll kill the weak dude first

>>144776163
Wait did that one dude from one of the previous threads really delete decks and change how nemelex works?

>>144777018
Yeah in trunk decks are gone. Not sure about Nemelex though. Tavern right now is split between the "remove decks, remove is good!" and "keep decks"

>>144777018
no that idea posted in /rlg/ never went anywhere

crawldevs just stopped decks from randomly spawning, so they're only accessible by worshipping Nem

>>144777848
step 1

>>144778285
actually step 1 was removing the deck types that weren't gifted by nem

actually actually step 1 was removing those deck types from nem when he was reworked

>the barnacled rune of Zot is a mimic!
Does that mean that the real rune haven't spawned and I should go back or is it still out there on the level?

>>144778847
It's in another one of the huts.

>>144777018
Nah, I'm no dev. I can definitely see this going down the same route as my idea though.

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Make sure you check what monsters are standing on before waving your sound ball rod around.

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ITS TIME TO GET RICH BOIS

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>>144779410
>a fucking book trove
kill me.

>>144779691
hahaha, that bites son

>>144779962
Well, a fighting and an evo manual are nice I-I guess.

>>144774281
Trog gifted you a free abyssal rune

>>144780424
You fucking shitter
those alone turned that into the best trove you could have found

>>144780424
That's a pretty good haul, tbqh senpai.

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>>144780424
>a fighting and an evo manual are nice I-I guess.
You bet your goddamn ass they are.

>>144780424
that's like finding 4 or 6 potions of experience, you bet it was worth it

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Alright boys, this is the run

>tfw you have enough +speed that a 2-charge rod of detection can't recharge fast enough for you anymore

How come the mercenary card is always complete garbage? Even from a legendary deck, with 27 evo, it costs gold and produces a shitty 'harmless' or 'easy' ally.

Meanwhile an untrained user can draw foxfire from a plain deck and summon 5 yaktaurs for no cost.

>>144783706
>foxfire
that summons insects and shit anon

they can get an army of red wasps though

maybe spark wasps too now?

>>144783706
merc card should let you summon uniques for a price imo.

>>144783825
are you saying yakatar's aren't annoying insects?

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>tfw you're so bad at magic devices you fail to read a t-shirt

>>144783825
oh, sorry, I was thinking of rangers. Still though, do you see my point?

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That was actually suprisingly easy.
Only lost 11 arrows to disint breath and one !Healing to Whirlpool.

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>melee damage: 156
One day I'll find a good weapon and use all the buffs and get dispelled.

This is actually fun once you get passed the early game where you can't do anything.

>>144771719
should've played a dosh knight

>>144774281
>Trog gifts you the elven rune
Pottery.

>>144775779
I get in a 1x1 corridor, kill the weaker one and then pillardance until I can park the strong one.

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>playing DrCj, just turned red
>find the Gauntlets of War just lying on the ground on D:5
Too bad I don't have any good weapons. The only ego item I've found is a dagger of draining.

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Annoying little fucker.

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sexualize
the gods

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Don't sexualize the gods

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>>144788750
>>144788839
> Xom finds this hilarious

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>A fire dragon (friendly).

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I think it's funny that the combo you gotta enter to choose a MuMo is "V, C".
It's like the game is trying to tell you how shit they are

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There's King Pushover done with. From here I guess Either it's take out Cthulhu or just go straight to the Serpent. Kinda want to get things over with. But I'll put it off until I get a good night's rest.

>>144769169

>when you're forced to use all 5 scrolls of teleportation you had to escape 1 group of enemies

Senpai.

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>vampiric
>vorpal
>slays evil
>blessed so I can actually use it
This is the best randart stormbringer I've seen.

>>144789587
I don't get it.

>>144791198
Are you playing a Priest? How is it?
Daemon- I'm guessing?

>>144791384
WC

>>144789587
Version Control?
>>144791543
What Colour?

>>144791694
WC is water closet or bathroom in europe. I don't know why V translates to W though, might be a german thing?

I'm worshipping chei for the first time.

The stats are good and all, but how do I use the god skills?

>>144789587
>"V, C"

Villainous corprophile?

>>144791198
it rolls the randart name first and then makes a "fitting" item for it

sometimes that's not totally clear, e.g. when a "cold" name is on an item that has rCold and a billion other properties

>>144791834
>Bend Time
Slows everything next to you. Sorta a way of speeding yourself up in combat relative to monsters, doesn't work well against crowds.
>Temporal Distortion
Good for making ranged monsters approach you without having to tank 25 shots to the face as you approach.
>Slouch
Nukes everything. Use on large crowds, dangerous fast shit.
>Step from Time
Your "oh fuck" button. Use if shit has gone south, it removes you from the level for a long time, so the crowd disperses (and doesn't know where you are anymore). Costs lots of piety, try not to overuse it or you won't be able to Slouch.

>>144769169

It's funny how if you choose Demigod Hunter the game makes you type "XQ" as if its being ironic.

You train traps and doors before going to Zot right lads?

>>144791527
Demon/craft.

The idea being that demon has some offensive magic to get through the early game, while also having good buffs to go with craft, and priest is the best class at melee that can take both. It seems to work well enough now that I have my str/dex up and craft book three for infinite haste and stoneskin, though I don't know how it will stack up against things like the serpent. Possibly life/craft would be better, except then you have to get by on priest melee the entire game.

It is kind of miserable around level 25 when you run out of mp too quickly with anything other than magic missile, though.

>>144792265
Note that temporal distortion is instant, so you can use it repeatedly until you get a favorable result if you have the mp and piety to spare.

>>144792356
Whoa there. Did I go back to 2013?

>>144791834
you use bend time on tough guys who are next to you that you don't think you can kill in 1 or 2 hits,

temporal distortion is a lot more variably useful. If there's a yaktaur pack at LOS shooting stuff at you, you can use temporal distortion to shuffle them around, hopefully bringing one of them close to you so you can stand next to him and be shielded from the rest of his pack.

Alternatively, if you're trying to spam your wand of iceblast at a hydra and it gets adjacent to you, you can use temporal distortion to shuffle his position around, hopefully landing him away from you, so you can keep blasting him from safety.

Alternatively if there's a pack of yaks or something flooding in a doorway and you want to close that door, temporal distortion will shuffle them around so you can close the door.

it's really chei's strongest ability and has a lot of different scenarios where it'll save you

Slouch is the all-powerful panic button that damages everything in LOS

Step from time is when you want to tele but don't have the time to wait for tele to pop. A significant difference in the usage of Step from time VS tele is that step from time doesn't change your position, so if you're in a boss's vault, he's probably programmed to patrol that vault, and after step from time he'll still be right there.

>>144770093
incompatible, their stab modifier is shit. Anything non SB is shit stab

>>144773002
not anymore, now its Scurvy Simulator 2000

I quit DDA soon as that nonsense happened

>>144791834
temporal distortion is also a "free" action, does not spend a turn to use it. Slouch does more damage to fast enemies, used best on bees and most of the crap in lair

>>144774281
Cool I just got banished to the Abyss with easy rune myself. then almost immediately found way out

>>144792872
I'm still using 0.C

>>144792418
polymorph demonlord is in the running for the best buff in the game

demon realm alone can win the game by itself with Hellfire against the Serpent. Stoneskin is really good against not-dispellers and the potion is quite rare. Ditto for berserk.

What race are you? SP characters get a 5% bonus or malus to max sp for each +1 or -1 they get from racial casting stat.

Why does my Cata character need to drink a gallon of water and eat 25 biscuits a day to break even

>>144793303
because a season is 14 days long
that means that every day in cata is a week IRL

>>144793034
>>144792607
I'm pleased to see I got some cheifriends in the thread

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>>144787456

>>144793467
That doesn't make any sense

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>>144793606

>>144792872
Wait, what? How do they expect characters with the diet-restrictive traits/mutations to survive?
Because I KNOW they didn't change those to provide nutrition to unavailable categories. That would require foresight.

Is there any way for beholders to gaze at range in PCB? I'm hoping I'm just stupid and haven't figured it out rather than whoever implemented them being stupid and making your only innate attack melee range on a race that's designed for anything but.

>>144793884
They did for mutations.
>>144793467
The devs have repeatedly stated, even for the new scurvy simulator rules, that time isn't "compressed" with regards to diet or whatever, they're trying to be as realistic as possible in a 1:1 ratio.

>>144794106
I thought they were a device class.

>>144794106
I think you get some racial attacks with O or U or m depending on what keyset you're using and how it's classed. You also should be looking to use attack wands etc.

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Dragons were a mistake.

>>144794106
Presumably your paralyse spell and such is your ranged gaze.

And yes, they are especially awful early game, consisting largely of resting a million turns while your wands recharge.

>>144794380
>that palette
man you made me want to play candy box again

>>144794215
From their description:
>Beholders are monsters so cannot choose a normal class. Instead, they gain powers as they evolve, including some limited offensive capabilities. But the beholder's primary offense will always be their powerful gaze.
Plus it does get more powerful as you level (it's at 3d7 for me right now), and you get up to 4 blows. I dunno.

>>144794357
Kinda? I only have one damaging spell right now and won't get any more til level 25. And you can only use wands that actually exist.

>>144794445
Weak. Well, I'll just keep on trucking as is then. Nothing like everything and their mother resisting medium wounds and cursing multiple times.

>>144794380
Who the fuck dies to that chump jesus shitting christmas.

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I suppose I'm consistent...

>>144794649
He 2-hit me, I'm not even exaggerating.

>>144794106
The winners on the ladder used racial spells later in the game. Such as darkness storm or something like that, forgot what it's called.

>>144794607
>From their description:
Sounds like they are a device class.
They have some racial spells in O/U, but gaze is a melee attack. Get used to trolling the black market and magic shop for attack wands.

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>>144794504
It's really nice on the eyes.

>>144794790
Yeah, your spell selection ends up pretty great later on (mortal wounds, mana bolt), but level 35/45 are a long ways away.

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>>144792356
>traps and doors

>>144794178
It's not realistic at all though

>you gain 288 points of hunger in 24 hours
>a cooked frozen dinner has 60 points of nutrition

That's 4 dinners in a 24 hour period

At least water is more realistic

>you also gain 288 points of thirst in 24 hours
>one serving of clean water (250 grams in total) provides 25 points of quenching

So just south of 3 liters a day

I think Granade's fat ass just thinks eating 4 hungry man dinners a day is normal

>>144794790
>>144794941
Darkness Storm is really amazing. Not very many monsters resist darkness, not even the serpent itself.

>>144795134
>>a cooked frozen dinner has 60 points of nutrition

Supposed to be 72 points of nutrition whoops

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>>144792356
Yeah, I splattered on my gnome stalker yesterday because I didn't have enough.

>>144795134

Check out the nutritional guidelines the Army thinks are necessary for MREs. 5500 calories a day. That's probably what Granade thought was necessary.

You should need less than half the food if you just sit around reading.

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>>144794908

>>144795631
I just grab light eater at chargen.
OR better, I just stop playing dda altogether.

>>144794607
you can get good melee eventually on beholders but it takes finding tons of good combat rings as well as enough high speed rings that you are able to wear combat rings over low speed rings

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Let's never go back to Mountain again.

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>>144796395
>fighting in mountain without levitation
Are you fucking retarded?

>>144796528
Welp

does levit negate the drop damage?

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>>144796862
Yeah.
>you float gently back down to the ground
At least you learned your lesson dummy.

>>144796395
>You crashed into the ground. You feel scared. You dastardly villain!

WAT

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That hurt more than expected. Surely I don't need to heal yet, right?

I'd play this combo again, I think. More fun than some of the other things I've tried.

>>144797616
>fighting petshop
FAULT

>>144795631
A guy jacking off in his deathmobile and watching his turrets blast every thing that comes in view doesn't need shit for Calories but the nutrition game never lets up

>>144769169

Feels good being a bat. Have been able to run from every fight so far then come back later.

>>144795631
MREs are like 1200 calories

>>144799050
They're provided under the assumption that soldiers are likely to burn 4500 calories a day in combat.

>>144798379
I won't even mention the healing potions I was saving in my bag or the amulet with cold immunity in my home.

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>>144797616

>>144797616
Well to be fair, Petshop is pretty fucking badass for a bird.

what happends when i go into tree form and use Slouch? does that just kill everything?

>>144797616
FR: Hounds get a special drop after killing PetShop.

>>144797616
Don't fight Petshop.

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>>144797616
Stand your ground! Stand your ground! Stand your ground!
Uchikomu no wa!

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>>144799863

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Hahahahahtondodfo;gdg; they actually fucking did it

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b916c57f77ab5ddc11a950155e0c8afe98649073
>New monster: Meliai, bee priestesses
>Melissae have moderately improved stats on the speed / poison of killer bees, light armour, one-handed axes (the Minoan labrys) for a second hit, and priestly Smiting / Heal Other. They appear in threes- Greece liked triparte femininity - whether as bands in the mess of D spawns, very rare Spider placements, or the post-midpoint-of-Lair beehive vaults. Queen bees can berserk them as they can with killer bees.

>>144800102
I don't get it.

http://pastebin.com/7HJEbixy

About to go into Zot for the first time

I'm scared lads

>>144801834
Hold up.

Are there any decks of cards laying around that you may have ignored?

>>144801834
Is that slang for losing your virginity?

>>144800102
Why is this a thing

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>>144800102
>bees that can smite

>>144800102

Hey that is really insulting. You don't understand how to balance this game on a fundamental level.

What is the argument against this? Exactly nothing.

>>144801943
There's a legendary deck in Vaults:5

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>>144802126
Ok. You probably want to get the deck before you go. Because why not? A deck can do all sorts of stuff, up to and including Tomb of Doroklohe (sp) and Mara's Illusionary Double.

Only further advice I can give is, as you may already be aware, try to hug the outer walls before going in.

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>>144802090
Truly these are dark times.

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Night night little balrog.

>>144796395
>>144804137
>You dastardly villain!
Of all the virtues messages this one has always made the least sense to me.

>>144804247
I'm guessing that it's something to do with being a pussy. Bitching out of a fight with teleport-other, being scared, whatever.

>>144804647
If so that's a terrible way to phrase it. Why not "you spineless coward!" or something like that.

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shit just got real lads

I suppose the fact that beholders get a paralyze spell at level one should have given away how useful it is.

Is Makleb or Pakellas the best god for a DD?

>>144805863
Maybe.

>>144805863
makleb.

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we did it lads

I don't have to play this game anymore

>>144806118
>tickle
>not tingle

>>144806118

>thinks playing as a Minotaur counts

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>>144807220

>>144807664
but he was a fighter not a ranger.

What's the best god for relying on invocations as the primary part of your build? Is killing everything with Makhleb invocations the only way?

>>144808403
If you want to kill literally everything with invocations, probably yes since makhleb is the only god with a zero piety cost offensive invocation.

Otherwise, Qazlal.

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Fun with a capital F.

>Attacks from moosen now fucking throw you around
>Moose are literally hyper aggressive natural brutes now
>Watch a moose and a giant wasp wreck 20~ zombies without even getting damaged
>The moose turns around and comes for me right after
>Shoot it in the head 4 times and it still didn't die
Fucking moosen man.

Anyone know how to enable DESERT_TEST in DDA?

>you fall down 1 floor
>use scroll of mapping and head upstairs
>on the to stairs fall down 3 floors
>right next to the ghost of a minotaur fighter
>tfw chei naga

>>144809562
I don't even know what DESERT_TEST is man

>>144808403
Zin. QAZLOUD. Makhleb is decent too, but doesn't give you those sick AoE attacks. TSO makes heavy use as well.

>>144809562
I think it comes enabled on the daily builds. It used to be a bitch to turn on.

>>144809851

>I think it comes enabled on the daily builds.

Unfortunately not.

>>144811910
Thats odd. I didn't have to do anything to enable it on mine. I just made a few worlds and deleted them and realized that it was an option.

What god should I pick for my TrMo?

>>144812210
Thank ya, that worked. Just had to jimmy around with it and DESERT_TEST was added.

>>144813313
Jivyah.

>>144813313
makhleb

>>144813569
xom

>>144813313
Xom

>>144813313
xom

>>144769169

>tfw killing Duvessa and Dowan

Why do they have to say things when one of them dies it makes me feel guilty even though its just a roguelike. I'm thinking about leaving Dowan alive jus because I feel bad for him losing his sis.

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/65534a889959084b0cbb5c87cced849d9185f43c

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>>144816108
What the shit is this?

>>144816108
That upsets me.

to build a generator in CataDDA all I need is a two-frame ``vehicle'' with controls, a gasoline motor, a gas tank, an alternator, a swappable storage battery case & storage battery right?

>savescum zigs
>MiFi of the Shining One
>still die half the time even with nearly every evocable summon in the game
Either the zig dies in a few turns or it's an eternal struggle to get to the summoners or spell casters

>>144817180
>Savescum zigs
>As a MiFi
Everyone who zigs uses massive AoE spells along with evocations. Evocable summons won't do shit in a zig, except as a last ditch effort while you regain MP. Stop savescumming, you double minotaur.

>>144816074
>not killing one by using a wand of enslavement on the other

>>144816339
>>144816656
They also took decks out of dungeon generation. Nemelex only. No more zig cheesing with 5 or 6 decks of escape and defense.

>Still no games like Elona

Kill me, I want to die

>>144819159
Have you tried elona?

what caster has the sexist sprite in DCSS

>>144819659
Boris

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You hear a grinding sound.

Finally got this trash to evolve by scumming the wilderness for young/mature dragons and killing them with wands. Then guzzling most of my speed to escape an ancient black after running out of teleport on the way back to town.

Mind blast looks pretty bad, wonder what's up with that one.

>>144817919
What's an easymode combo to do zigs with then?

>>144820812
CENTAUR
CAVALRY

>>144820812
GrEE. DEFE. NaXX.

>>144820891
Bows are being removed from the game as primary weapons, sorry.
>>144821071
>DEFE
People still play this?
I have not seen someone play this or suggest this combo for forever.

>>144819159
No lie I got a boner from genetically engineering girls in that game

>>144822286
>People still play this?
>I have not seen someone play this or suggest this combo for forever.
Yea, I remember back in the day people always suggested DEFE. What happened? Did people realize that HP is the most important attribute in the game?

>>144822485
no, it's still a good combo, but not the go to caster starter combo anymore.

>>144822485
All the good players left the general

>>144822286
Its as turbo diesel as you can get with a mage start. You get firestorm online by the end of your 3 rune, and you can probably leap right into a zig from there. Most of the trouble of zigs is getting your character prepped for them, and having a level 9 spell is a large step in the right direction. The HP and 4 strength are fucking awful though.

>>144822485
I feel like our values have changed as the general has gotten better at crawl. DEFE, SpEn and MiBe used to be the big three, but now you see all kinds of interesting suggestions when asked what a new player should play.

>>144822485
Everybody wants to tab

>>144822901
>GrEE
>interesting suggestion.

I've conceded that ADoM is the closest I will ever get to the perfection of Elona.
Please help me get started playing ADoM

>>144823465
LRD is the most unique spell you can possibly use.

>>144823579
Troll Beastfighter under Candle. Punch everything, eat everything, live through apocalypses. Die to your own hubris.

>>144823648
agreed, but it's a gargoyle.

>>144823175
Basically this.

People stopped suggesting the best combinations for beginners because they themselves were incapable of playing them, so they had to rely on the easier, but weaker combinations that just tab through the game.

>>144822485
There's new, nastier enemies that make a blaster much more difficult than before. Also Cj doesn't suck like it did way back when.
That's my theory anyway.

>>144824230
Oh, and the general shortening of branches means it's harder for them to get Firestorm online in time.

>>144824230
>the DCSS developers ruined the game and destroyed the previous archetypes
okay

>>144823921
They're the best using earth magic unless you want to be a DD caster. No shame in jumping on the Gr train as a new player. You just die to your low HP rather than getting fucked by an adder.

>>144824505
still doesn't make em a interesting choice, just the easiest.

>>144824724
The most "interesting" choice is probably a __CK.
Never a dull moment with Xom around.

>>144824724
Its more interesting than a DEFE. You get to use LRD, which is the most tacticool fucking spell in the whole game. You get petrify, which is like a hex except it doesn't suck. What would you suggest for a newer player who wanted to try out a caster?

>>144824070
But DEFE is not the best for beginners. It's not bad though.

>>144825080
It has been the best for beginners for ages and continues to be.
Just because the pastebin was taken over by a carebear who hates playing DCSS properly, doesn't mean it is no longer the best.

>>144825228
>implying FE's better than Cj

Everyone knows the most optimal build is DgWr

>>144825052
oh i'm not agueing it's not more or less interesting then DEFE. just gargoyles are to casters that MiBe are to tablords.

>>144825228
It has never been the best. It's been suggested to begginners but it doesn't mean it's the best. A DrFE is better.

>>144825664
If that is true then it's sad that the developers have allowed such power creep to occur.

>>144825598
I guess I agree that Gr is a boring race, but most of the races are pretty stock. Most of the fun comes from your backround.

>>144825830
halfings are fun tho.

>>144826093
I prefer Kobolds, but I respect your opinion.

>>144826201
the bolds aren't my thing, but I understand if you enjoy them.

>>144826093
>>144826201
>run into a monster you can't stab to death
>die in one hit
>fun

>>144827085
>Halfling OR kobold
>stabbers
Nigga, they're tiny little diesel engines. Tablords come in small, but they get mad flexibility due to their small size and apts.

>>144825443
you mean Wn

>>144827583
>Pode
>70 AC
>79 shield
HOW

>>144827705
cigotuvi's embrace, those stats sadly only last a dozen turns or so

it's also GDR-less AC so it's kinda shitty

>>144827583
where's your name

>>144827854
Ah right, right. I never bothered to use it, but I imagine its pretty good for zigs. I'm mirin' that MP pool too. I want to mash shatter with that setup.

>>144819159

What's so great about Elona? Everyone's talking about it I want to know why. Also, does it have permadeath?

Anyone playing webtiles?

Please link.

>>144827996
it's a pretty good feeling to stomp through a zig

>>144827879
I cropped it out so rlg doesn't call me an attentionwhore while I try to stimulate the thread some

>>144827085
but anon, how do i stab with slings?

>>144828381
I'm zigging on berotato

>>144828591
i can't tell what is happening

>>144828813
death

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How does he live?

Is this death his fault?

>>144809281
Shotguns man. At point blank. Also dont forget you can use the run button now and kite the fucker. I go off into the woods and get a nice melee in and run. Get them on bushes and slow shit. Do it proper and you wont take a hit. Depends on stamina though.

>>144829158
>Desert
>bushes
I don't have any shotgun shells left anon, and that moose chased me down as I was sprinting away. I ended up killing it and shooting another to make it fuck off, but they're pretty damn spooky now. My reach attacks don't seem to work either, which compounds this whole issue. I'm training archery up in the mean time since the town I'm in has some wood to use.

>>144816853
You dont even need the swappable battery anymore. Latest build added wire. My base has never been so....sexy. It counts as a vehicle tile but you can walk over it with no affect. Not sure what will happen if it moves, dont think its designed for that. You can hook up anything to it. Including tanks, batteries or whatever. I have a generator room in my lamoe now with lines of wire going to my kitchen and crafting room. No z level access yet though. Muh solar panels... :(

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>>144829069
>sap
>four tittymemes

>>144829305
Never touched a desert map sorry. I do think they are super aggressive. Granted moose can be during mating season but even as is they home in a mile away. Did they nerf wolves and z wolves?
They dont seem so bad now.
Also anyone know how vehicle HVAC works now? I find myself with a dearth of power but I am hot as fuck during the summer. Is my only option to build a massive sized vehicle to keep myself cool and run the engine? Also why the fuck is it so hot underground?

>>144827854
gdr only affects melee anyways
doesnt do skirt about spells

>>144829596
Wolves can be pretty bad, but they seem to respect your space more than moosen. It seems like they're more likely to run when you start bashing them than they used to be. Gotta strip off them clothes, familia. You don't need to carry much stuff anyway.

>>144829596
Oh, did they change it so merely sitting in an enclosed car doesn't regulate temperature now?

>>144829841
>Gotta strip off them clothes, familia.
Ah, yes. The tactical drop-panties-and-light-them-on-fire move.

>>144828237
There is a permadeath mode, but you probably want to have some experience with the game in it's "normal" mode first.
Trust me on this. There's some pretty unforgiving threats out there bomb throwers that can end a 30 hour character in a turn or two.

>>144830054
Not sure. Temp is so erratic now it makes no sense. Indoors at 68 degrees my feet are on fire and im only wearing low top tennis shoes with no socks. I go outside and i am fine. I will fire up muh truck and find out.

>>144830228
I think there are some 0 warmth leather sandals that you can craft. My setup is always super barebones in the summer, but you can get away with moderate storage with all the new strapped layer stuff.

>>144829461
What spells is he casting before he enters each floor?

>>144816074
you should be nice and let one put down the other with confusion gas or enslavement then let the other one live with unending despair

How do i play ToME?

>pick spellsword guy
>level some basic damage stuff
>get to Prox
>Prox fucks me up

>>144831082
repel missles, necromutation, haste... and cigotuvi's embrace

>>144831849
arcane blade? they have a rough start. you wana pretend you're a mage till you get ... hmm i think it's that 4th skill in the arcane combat tree?

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>>144817180
>>144817919
You can beat Zigs without conjurations. You'll want a Cloak of the Thief to limit LOS and disc of storms at a minimum.

Note that in pic related, even tho the char is a strong weezard, no spells were used to get that far, and a char with less int and better other stats would have done better.

I wouldn't, of course, recommend any of this.

Probably the best non conjurer is a Gargoyle of Zin. Gargoyles don't need transformations as much. Right now I'm working on a Gargoyle Chaos Knight for the mutations, and am going to switch over to Zin to lock them in.

>>144824975
Is there a race that has an abbreviation of Cu or Ku?

>Don't speak to me or Mara's illusion of me ever again

>>144831849
Healing and regen inscriptions. If Prox is reking you just walk away until you can heal then resume fighting. Repeat. Also in the early game the blink rune is ok because it makes you not adjacent to Prox.

Arcane blade is kind of hard early. They become broken with the right build but it's not that easy to get there.

>>144832504
Only Ko

>>144832389
the best non-conjurer to beat zigs is anything of makhleb

>>144831849
how about don't pick the hardest, most wobbly and finicky class for starters? arcane blades are for people who want to dick around with their stats to get a kerjillion damage

I think a Ghoul Corrupter is probably the easiest. can't die in one hit and has essentially controlled blink on demand.

>>144832729
yeah but that global speed...

>>144832769
let me put it to you this way, I found it easy to slaughter the room full of Great Wyrms of Power

DeCK
FeAr
FoAM
HECK
HaCK
LOCK
MiCK
MuCK
OMAr
SEAm
SEAr
TeAM
TeAr
TrAM
TrEE
ElMo
DESk
TeEn
TrEn
SEEn
OMEn
HaRe
HuSk
HoMo
LoRe
MuSk
HEAr
OPEn
HEWn
SEWn
SEAr
KeEn
LoNe
MiNe

>>144833105
I laughed at some of these a lot harder than I should have.
I think I need to go get some sleep.

>>144832849
That room is not hard desu. I do it with most chars.

Ghoul speed is extremely bad but the best class for ghoul is corruptor I think, like you said. But the combo is still bad I think.

>>144833394
Well okay. I only wish that more bad combos were comfy, low stress, easy, and could be played without paying constant attention like an archmage.

What do you consider a "good" combo?

>>144833921
yeek beseker.

>>144833105
beautiful

>>144831913
it was necromutation, haste, cigotuvi's, and darkness. The repel missiles was from the amulet of air

>>144833921
It's just that I think ghoul is bad and that makes any ghoul combo bad. Comparing ghoul with ogre, ogre is better, right?

I don't think ghoul corruptor is a bad recommendation, it can be fun for a new player, but I wouldn't say it's easy. Can't even walk away from things.

>>144819159
Just play Elona bro. Accept no substitutes.

>>144835016
>Comparing ghoul with ogre, ogre is better, right?

Hm? Does it have controlled blink and an inability to die in one hit?

>>144836063
Ogre has 13 hp per lvl instead of 14, if that's what you mean by inability to die in 1 hit. That's close enough.

It doesn't have controlled blink but it doesn't have -20% speed either.

>>144836063
yes it has a controlled blink, it's called walking at normal speed

>>144836498
No, I mean that the ghoul has a thing where an attack can't deplete more than 50% of their health in one hit, which I find immensely useful.

The speed thing being an issue largely depends on the cooldowns of the class. Corruptors, for example, don't give a shit.

>>144837486
there's also the fact that enemies will get 5 turns to your 4, so even if you can't take more then 50% of your health in one hit, dosen't matter if something can hit you twice in one of your turns.

>>144837916
not particularly concerned about things lasting that long, if its remotely dangerous I can use my two main attacks and then leap away

>>144837486
That 50% effect is new, didn't exist last time I played. That's a good buff. As long as it works on entire attack consisting of many hits.

>>144838087
and what if that's not far enough? you can't ghoul leep though walls.

>>144839163
>That 50% effect is new, didn't exist last time I played.

Something like 8+ years ago.

And its not foolproof, but the only difficult part of playing a ghoul corrupter for me was the starter dungeon. In comparison to most chars who seem to die of lucky attacks.

>>144839397
Hm? Its not foolproof, just the easiest, in terms of keystrokes, comfort level, avoidance of cheap deaths, etc. char I've ever played on hard.

Can you transfer a character from online to offline Dungeon Crawl?

>>144841568
if you contact the admin

>>144833105
Don't forget OgRe. Never forget.

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Things are starting to look up for this run. Repeating crossbow made, which I changed into a 3 magazine crossbow with burst 3. Changed the damage, dispersion and other stats to be less shit compared to the normal/heavy/gratuitous german crossbow. Have hammer/screwdriver/hacksaw, a funnel and a jerrycan. Large tent and a small stock of pistol/shotgun ammo. I just need to find some seeds and I can start doing other stuff. Next project is to probably make a loot wagon so that I can travel.

>>144832729
>Ghoul Corrupter
That's not one of the starting combos though, is it? I've only barely touched ToME but I remember the starting options being quite limited.

>>144845151
If you aren't playing with the unlock everything mod, go get it now. It just straight up makes the game more fun.

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>>144844992
>Repeating crossbow made, which I changed into a 3 magazine crossbow with burst 3.
Wait what? You can modify weapons beyond just standard attachments now?

>>144845374
I went into the .json and changed it manually because I am really unhappy with the current iteration of repeating crossbow. As it is, its basically super shit and not even worth using. You can't even shoot a dog to death half the time. You just open up the .json with notepad+ and edit the values into whatever you want.

>>144845471
Aw, damn. I was hoping they made it where you can create your own frankenstein guns or something.

>>144845151
Nope. Its not a char I'd suggest for BEGINNER beginners, but by the time you get it you should be ready.

>>144845251
eeh nothing wrong with taking your time unless you're in a hurry

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7ccc58bddc7266e95ab34f79fe074aae4bbe0639
>Randomly changing the gender of a bunch of uniques

The changes in the last couple days have been truly strange.

>>144845567
I mean, you kind of can with crossbows if you attach another crossbow to the underbarrel and throw a bunch of other nonsense on there.

>>144845251
Yeah, I felt like limiting starter options for a roguelike - a game with a steep learning curve that almost forces you to restart over and over again - is kind of weird, so I sort of put it on my backlog.
Do I just drag the .teaa file into the addon folder?

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>>144845869
Basically. It doesn't mess with your cheevos or lore at all, so you don't really have a reason not to use it.

>>144845727
You miss out on some great beginner combos like SKELETON ARCHER, and nearly all of the really crazy combos that are unique to tome.

>>144845727
No one plays ToME to play a dwarf fighter, anon.

>>144845779
>Lom and Cerebov go gender neutral
>But Grinder turns into a girl
Shouldn't Grinder be neutral too?

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>>144845779
The fuck is this tumblr crap?

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Ho. Ly. Shit.
I see these so, so fucking rarely on any characters I play and now that I'm playing a ninja, I find this.
This is clearly karma from the shield I saw in the shop yesterday.
Goddamn that's good.
+3 speed, what the fuck?

>>144845779
>-Sojobo, King of Tengu
>+Sojobo, Queen of Tengu
>masculine name is now somehow female

>-circles of Hell. He has a tendency to complain and make inane statements.
>+circles of Hell. She has a tendency to complain and make inane statements.
>She has a tendency to complain and make inane statements.
>troll edit snuck in

Are the DCSS developers really that cucked now that they are pruning the fucking pronouns from the game?

Bad enough they removed the fountain waifu.

>>144846513
Nice, anon.
I find them very often when playing randarts. Galadriel seems very likely to provide darkness.

>>144846642
I'm not even playing with randarts only.
Just so fucking lucky.
I've played a shitload and only seen a few regular feanorian lamps of darkness but never a randart one.

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>>144844992
>mod yourself a craftable burst-firing gun with craftable ammo
Well, the important thing is that you're having fun.
Just don't come complaining about how the game is too easy.

>>144846769
I mean, it was always in the game and wasn't the worst offender as far as balance goes. That belongs to the pneumonic bolt casters. I can burst fire once to kill a medium difficulty dude, but each bolt takes a full minute to reload with 8 strength, which is 3 minutes for a full reload. Besides, I've never been one to complain about cata. The sole reason I play is for maximum cozy and fun times, and I like sharing that with the thread. Hopefully this time I don't build my truck backwards!

>>144845779
>Donald now refers to orc priests as female
>Donald now refers to vault wardens as female
This is becoming just like my japanese animes.

>>144846769
And for reference, the old repeating crossbow was mag 10, burst 3 with reload speed of 100 per bolt. No strength reload. Shit was dumb, but you weren't going to be killing hulks or brutes with it without some foresight and traps.

>>144846265
>a small imp that teases torments and tortures you
>now female

I hate feminist shit but this does sound like an improvement.

>>144847602
Its not even feminist though. They're trying to be more inclusive for whatever reason, which is really odd since crawl has a good amount of female uniques. It just irks me that Grinder should be neutral by their own standards, but now she is a girl. Atleast be consistent. In the end, it doesn't matter at all.

>>144847505
Shouldn't they be Orc Priestesses then?

Where are the accompanying sprite changes?

>>144847792

>not even feminist

Creating new characters that are female = neutral
Changing existing characters into female = feminist

Hence why Goastbusters is feminist.

Also, Panlords have had their sex deleted, but the imp still has a gender. Different plane of existence, and Panlords in general may be sexless. Certainly no non unique ones have sexes.

>The crawl developers have stopped developing content to focus on making the game more inclusive
I can just imagine them now, arguing for hours on end which unique identifies as which gender.
Arguing to introduce nonbinary genders to Crawl.

I don't think they realize the can of worms they open with these kind of retarded changes.

Note that its literally 1 fucking guy.