/rlg/ - Roguelike General

Roguenexus hosting mpa-pcb when?

>>144037997
pcb sucks senpai

>>144038276
4.0.2 sucks.

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>>144038392
it was never good

in fact there's not a single good roguelike

prove me wrong

>>144038769
life's a decent rougelike

>>144039471
too much grinding

>>144039845
that's why it's only decent.

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>go down to vaults 5
>killing shit no problem
>a ghost appear, uh oh this could be trouble
>it runs around casting summon butterflies until it casts fulminate prism
>it explodes randomly, killing the ghost
Well alrighty then

so, someone explain how the new abyss works, and what i need to do to find this asinine rune?

>>144040193
>be etheral remains of a random dude
>hanging around my favourite spot
>lots of people around here, keeps me company
>some huge guy starts killing all my peeps
>panic
>p-please stop
>he doesn't
>try to remember something about what i did before i died
>can't come up with anything useful
>guy is still killing everybody
>try to cast a magic dart or whatnot
>trip on my own feet and miscast
>butterflies fall out of my pocket
>again
>and again
>so embarassed i might just die again
>finally conjure something useful
>it explodes and kills one of my last friends along with me
y-you too...

>>144041084
Just keep walking around, the rune will eventually spawn.

>>144041084
If you're completely unaware of new abyss, it now has 5 levels instead of 3 and unique enemies that (normally) only appear in the abyss. Each level you descend is more dangerous, with the abyss monsters appear more and more often along with the usual crew. You can only find the rune on floor 3 or deeper. Doors deeper, doors out and the rune all spawn more often the deeper you go. So if you're in a hurry, just dive down to 5. Note that 5 is a fucking hellhole of literal cancer stars and nexus crabs. New feature lets you kill enemies to spawn doors out or doors deeper.

>>144041386
how bad is floor 4? i'm on abyss 3 and contemplating going down to make this shit faster.

>>144037369
>no junethack

>>144041386
>Five levels instead of one.* Fug.
Anyway, the new enemies are fucking terrible. You really want stealth and regeneration if you're going into the abyss. Cancer stars afflict you with LOTS of temporary mutations, which can spell death to races that are really minmaxed. Nexus crabs spit chaos clouds that'll afflict you with a lot of awful stuff. Zymes will stop natural regen from being in LoS. There are other less awful stuff that summon and have distortion melee, but these are the ones you want to avoid.

>>144041529
4 is pretty dicey. Crabs start being common and they're extremely dangerous. If you're strong or have a way to mitigate clouds, go for it.

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jesus christ what a splat
91 fucking damage

>>144041704
>{Blink melds into your body}
>Blink
Naga, why weren't you blinking while waiting for tele to kick in? Was this your first time dealing with slimes?

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>>144041704
>meleeing a titanic slime creature
All that int and you're still a stupid naga.

Any advice for NaTm^Chei? I can never get them to the Lair.

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>>144041204
holy kek
OC in honor of this

>>144041987
>>144042035
I honestly forgot that my armor had blink, not that it mattered at 40% failrate
I tried meleeing it because it was right next to me, didn't know it had a fucking d110 for damage
>>144042413
>Train unarmed until you hit level 3 and learn spider form
>Train poison until you get it to a comfortable 20%
>Find Chei
>Get carried until lair

>>144042413

The same way you get a Mummy Monk to Lair.

>>144041704
never fight a titanic slime creature, the hit for juggernaut damage

but slimes are stupid and only combine if they can't path to a new spot next to you, so they're best fought in the open

or just tele + blinkspam

alright lads, just finished mutation maze, only got pan, hell, and tomb left. which one is least likely to kill me?

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Fucking Chaos tiles holy shit.
For reference those shadowers are magic mushrooms.

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>>144043028
how do i did forget picture.

>>144043028

Depends on what you are m8

>>144043294
tomb will be easy mode, just stair dance and dont get over your head.
Hell will also be easy.

Pan can be a shit show if you pop out right next to a pan lord

>>144043294

Personally I like Tomb first if you have maxed Neg. Resistance.

I like Hell first, although I leave the Cold place for very last (after Pan) unless I feel super confident and have maxed resistance.

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>>144043310
ant of TSO.

>>144043493
i figgured as much, but i've splated so many in tomb before I wanted to be sure
>>144043539
what's so spoopy about icy hell land?

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>>144043294
>+9 Holy 3xbow
Nice.

How do i OpTm of Chei

>>144043656
Do what >>144042857 says but more careful

>>144043603

I am by no means an experienced player (only 15 runed once), but the *only* time I have ever splatted in hell (and multiple times) is to Icy Hell Land.

Those Demons can do a shit ton of damage, and the boss is scary. He doesn't do a terrible amount of damage, but he has a lot of HP so the fight can go a bit long (so more Torment/Ice Demons to contend with).

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>>144043618
found it as +1 vel way way back off D9, sunk most of my enchant scrolls in it, but godam if it isn't fun as fuck.

>>144043828
hmm, well I have rC+++ without even trying so i'm hopping it won't be too bad.

>>144043828
Anteaus is probably the spookiest in a straight up fist fight, but he is also the absolute easiest to cheese. He doesn't resist poison. You can shoot him with a blow gun and curare, use a spider bag to fuck him up and so on. Hell, Parrow, Pcloud and ignite poison in conjunction can probably wreck him super fast too. I'm always scared of Dispater. That guy doesn't mess around.

>>144037369
Looking for equipment thoughts for my balrog warrior: http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=19120

My current setup might be right, but I'm not so sure. It doesn't get Telepathy, nor does it get to wield my shiny new Slayer from the old castle quest reward. I spent about an hour playing around with configurations and want some outside eyes to take a look.

If I optimize for damage I can get quite a lot, but obviously that isn't on it's own correct either. This current setup gets to wear Terror Mask and The Hell Harness for tons of acc/dam but the latter also aggravates and the former might be incorrectly getting in the way of Amber or Indra.

I don't have that many amazing boot or amulet choices. My best cloak is probably that cloak of the nazgul, but I'd really like to not wear the -6% life if I can help it. I'd also prefer not to wield a shield, but I'm also leery of sleepily walking into a fenghuang (doubly so with no telepathy) so...

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>>144043032
>magic mushroom shadowers

>>144044773
you have staves of telepathy so that should be ok

if you want to swap out your weapon you probably can, light is just about the least important resist, although you might want to swap it in for cold still

>>144044773
just get telepathy from Beruthiel, it'll be fine

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>go to tomb
>Find this asshole
>fuck i'm slow'd
>double fuck i'm silenced
godamit uhh fuck what do i do shaft myself?

>>144045487
shafting yourself in Tomb sounds extremely suicidal

not quite as suicidal as charging at mennas while -swift and surrounded by enemies, though.

shoulda pogged away when he entered LOS

>>144045476
ok tyvm for the help

>>144045642
i tried, but uhh that spinx is standing on my way out i think.. and i don't know if i got the time to kill it.

>>144045487
You see that 「BoB」? Start evoking that. And the spider bag too. And your feet. Zap the bobs with haste too.

>>144044773
I'd swap out harness of the hell for the +5 stealth/telepathy amulet because I'm a big stealth fan and far too lazy to use the staff of telepathy every twenty steps.

>>144045867
yeah it's too late now

you fucked up like 5-10 turns ago when you got into this situation, I'm saying.

i don't have advice to get out i'm just pointing out how dumb you were to get in

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>>144045885
to late shafted myself and got lucky. i think

>>144045971
fuck i know that, I think tomb just is made to tilt me, I splat there unnecessarily all the damn'd time.

>>144044773
why do you have 3 rods of recall

i'm 99% sure they aren't susceptible to item destruction unless that is different between PCB and vanilla

>>144046105
Jesus christ. Please tell me you have your evocations leveled atleast. A single bob is capable of fucking Mennas if you actually level it.

>>144046228
almost 17 skill in evo. I'll be sure to sick the hounds on him after i'm done licking my wounds.

>>144046157
Yeah rods and various other things that are safe in vanilla are not in pcb, at least without 2 (for almost perfect) or better chance to survive various attack types

electricity specifically can blow up rods, not sure if any of the higher elements can but probably chaos is able to at least

>>144045487
Should've quaffed cancellation

>>144046450
>...2 or better chance to...
I meant "2 or more copies of a resist giving a"

>>144045931
yeah I thought about that specifically. I'm definitely not using _Telepathy unless it's a "will throw away this staff for loot" type of slot, it's just kindof a pain and not critical, as you still need to be able to handle monsters that don't always appear to telepathy. It's nice, but ultimately just a luxury at this late stage (it's better earlier IMO).

The +15 +15 slaying is just so nice. Also when I first equipped it I needed it for rDark to try and not wield Celegorm. Maybe.

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>Duvessa hits Dowan with a short sword!
>Dowan dies!
>Duvessa screams in horror.

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>>144045487
Mennas should be neutral to followers of good gods, and allied to followers of Zin.

>>144046978
I hope you left her alive. She will spend the rest of her days with the knowledge that she struck down her twin brother

>>144047320
sounds fun and degenerate
rejected

>>144046430
I CAN ALMOST HEAR THE BOBS.

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>>144047396
>meme

Just won my first 15rune.

Feels good guys.

Any good newish games out since I now need a long break?

>>144046450
that's weird then, because rods on the ground can't be destroyed by lightning balls

>>144047320
>implying this wasn't already a feature in past versions
>implying the devil's team didn't remove it already

>>144048535
doomRL

>>144047320
he used to be

>>144047320
you should also get the option to convert to zin on the spot, like how orcs can convert to beogh when in sight of an orc priest

>>144047671
i'm considering learning haste, just for the bobs and tso summons

>>144049305
but Mennas would have to speak for that to happen

angels of zin should have weapons branded with silver instead of holy wrath

>>144049742
I was just thinking this earlier today. Pan should also be full of flesh horrors weak to silver instead of demons weak to holy.

>>144043656
>train Stealth until at least 4
>get the fuck away from anything with a yellow name, unless it can be poison-kited with Spider Form
>get Ice Form online before you get to Lair, or you'll regret it inmensely with all the reptiles crawling there
>get Statue Form online ASAP
>utterly destroy everything forever
>forget the fact you learned Dragon Form and keep on casting Stone Form until you win

And that's how I won with 15 runes. Only thing that could bring my health down a bit was Hellion Island. ST is that OP with Chei.

>>144050649
what about blade hands?
when do i join chei?

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>>144046105
>shafting in Tomb

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mennas vs two of my best [BOB]s who WILL WIN?

>>144049861
The abyss is chaotic evil.
Pan is neutral evil.
Hell is lawful evil.

>>144051035
You what

>>144050935
Blade Hands is useful for when you don't need exta HP in an Octopode. Spoiler: That's almost never.
When you find an altar of Chei, of course. What kind of question is that?

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>>144050989
for the record all i did is just cast PoG and wait around near it if things went south
>>144050961
shhh it all worked out

>>144050935
blade hands on an octopus means you get to keep your natural "literally 0 AC", which is not ideal

statue form gives you actual real armor which is part of why it's good

>>144051110
The postendgame content cribs from Dungeons and Dragons.

The abyss is a place of chaos, hence it gets the chaotic creatures.

>>144051227
well, i keep dying because i can't run from monsters

>>144051387
I guess. I just want poison and negative stuff to be relevant for longer than lair, and for holy and TSO to stop being the stupid no brainers that they are in postend. Make rCold relevant before depths too please.

>>144051110
With lawful evil he doesn't mean that its inhabited by devils with golden hearts or something, but that the Hells are governed by strict rules that neither you or them can break, like having always 7 levels, spawning attacks over you for tresspassing the place, having an organized last floor being watched by a Hell Lord, etc.
It's not like Pan or Abyss, where you have to wander like a retard until you find the runes.

>>144051705
just tell crawl devs that tso/holy being the king of endgame is degenrate since you're forced to take them 9 times outa 10. ely's degerate since you just spam heal and it's boring, and zin gives you resistance to mutations, you already know they're cutting back on that. boom holy trinity gets removed and you have your post end not ruled by em.

>>144051035
Zin - lawful good
Ely - neutral good
TSO - chaotic good

>>144051419
That's why you get Stealth, my man.
You also need to learn when to engage and when to retreat.

>do you see only one target in a non-open space?

If yes, engage. If not, engage from afar with poison darts/evocables, or retreat if you think there might be more than one monster.

Never, NEVER EVER is a good idea to pull the attention of an orc band, especially if you're under level 8. Gnoll packs are also a problem, but you can usually kill them all with Spider Form. But if an orc priest detects you, nigga, you better prepare to read tele or to slouch the motherfucker down as a last resort.

>>144052138
>TSO is chaotic
he and zin are both lawful, my man

Zin is more into reciting and enforcing laws while TSO just wants to blow up anyone who breaks them.

>>144052926
So there's no chaotic good in the crawl universe?

Alignments are dumb and literally every god is ok with @ killing and eating the whole fucking dungeon.

>lawful in adom
>hostile blink dogs appear
>ctrl-q

>>144053941
@ is war

>>144054229
only in *hack.

>>144052463
oh and one last question, should i use shields?

>>144054848
I don't see why not. The're alway useful. I think the last Op I did didn't used them, but there's really no reason not to use them.

>>144054848
Definitely, you cant rely on just EV

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another rune for the glory of the degenerate digging race!

>>144049861
Demonspawn are weak to silver.

>>144051035
In DCrawl, Pandemonium, besides Xom, is the main source of Chaos branded weapons, actually. Pandemonium is Chaotic.

Dungeon Crawl Hell is definitely Chaotic. It is a place where random hostile forces assail you continuously, including chaotic spells. Hell denizens are also coded as following Makhleb, though it is largely irrelevant.

Nothing wrong with three underworlds that are mostly chaotic and evil.

>>144052926
TSO is good, and neither lawful nor chaotic.

>>144053363
Not yet, nor is there likely for any to be. The good gods are defined in part by being all okay with each other, so there won't be a good chaotic god.

Due to the source material on alignments (the works of Moorcock and Poul Anderson, in which Law has an overwhelming tendency towards "good" and Chaos has an overwhelming tendency towards "bad") I think its appropriate.

>>144053941
The Crawl gods, however, have been literally assigned alignments, so...

Also, TSO doesn't want you to commit cannibalism (defined as eating members of the same species) and Zin doesn't want you to commit cannibalism (defined as eating fellow intelligent beings).

When you tab down ignacio without even noticing
>#justTrMo^Cheithings

>>144053363
Removed for being the most interesting alignment.

>>144054081
kill them and eat them you sperg, worst case scenario you can still fix your alignment, even if it does bring you to neutral

>>144057305
By Dungeon Crawl's metric (chaotic gods always either do freakishly random things, rule over a realm of freakish randomness, or both) a chaotic good god would be immensely interesting.

>>144056951
Have they really? Is there someplace I can look at them? Sounds kind of interesting, albeit a little disappointing.

>>144057526
>Have they really?

Can you narrow down your question?

>>144057680
My bad. Where are they assigned D&D alignments?

>>144057526

The game.

Lawful & Good: Zin.
Good, neither Lawful nor Chaotic: Elyvilon, TSO,
Chaotic: Xom, Jivya
Chaotic & Evil: Makhleb, Lugonu
Evil, not Chaotic: Beogh, Kikubaaqudgha, Yredelemnul
None: Gozag, Fedhas, Nemelex, Okawaru, Pakellas, Qazlal, Ru, Sif Muna, Trog

Besides simply reading the files, the wiki, or the descriptions in the game, Zin punishes you if you leave him and later join a Chaotic or Evil god, the other Good gods only punish you if you join an Evil god.

In D&D terms, missing an axis means you're Neutral, therefore indisputably:

Lawful Good: Zin.
Neutral Good: Elyvilon, TSO,
Chaotic Neutral: Xom, Jivya
Chaotic Evil: Makhleb, Lugonu
Neutral Evil: Beogh, Kikubaaqudgha, Yredelemnul
Neutral: Gozag, Fedhas, Nemelex, Okawaru, Pakellas, Qazlal, Ru, Sif Muna, Trog

No, its not symmetrical, nor is there any need for them to be symmetrical whatsoever, other than to fit onto a meme image.

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>Okawaru gifts me an executioners axe
>it's distortion
>lmao banished

>>144058157
Huh. I guess I never mentally made the connection between "Good, Evil, Chaotic" and the shitty D&D alignments. I still think they should find a way to differentiate pan and hell for gameplay reasons, though. Its not like the lore was ever important to them.

>>144058394
>Unwielding the disto axe

>>144058486
>43799 | Vaults:4 | Cast into level 4 of the Abyss (a distortion unwield)
>43898 | Abyss:4 | Got an abyssal rune of Zot

It worked out.
99 turn abyssal rune, that's a new personal record.

>>144058486
>I still think they should find a way to differentiate pan and hell for gameplay reasons, though.

How are Pan and Hell not differentiated enough? Elemental branches, a race against time with no need to stop for treasure, and a "normal" monster that can 1v1 Pan Lords (Hell Sentinels), vs a very cool and distinctive enemies (demonspawn and pan lords) and five different non RNG levels that you never know when you're going to run into.

Hell could use its own unique brand. Damnation, perhaps.

Abyss - distortion
Pandemonium - chaos
Hell - ???

>>144058942
Truthfully, they've been doing a better job of differentiating lately. But both are largely populated by demons, have some major overlap in their elemental departments, and the most dangerous enemies use the same mechanics (torment and hellfire). Almost every enemy is looked at from the point of view of "Does it hellfire or torment me? Oh it doesn't do either? What sort of cancer does it afflict me with? Oh, no cancer? Evoke feet and ignore." (note that is also just a huge problem with postend overall. Many enemies feel very similar and they really are trying to fix that.) You basically use the same exact tactics for hell that you do in pan, barring killholes on the 7th floors. Same exact ways to kill the hell lords, except Aunty because he doesn't have demon resists. Really, they could just overhaul demons completely and make them more diverse in their threat set.

>>144058709
wow, it took me 4k turns on abyss 4 this guy

Jesus Christ, just found out they removed the Focus card. Now there's no way to fix the stats of a character whose initial stat spread is retarded, other than to fuck around with Jivya (who will virtually always just average them out).

If I'm playing a MiHu, what god do I want to go with?

>>144060940
Wide variety. The most obvious would be one that gifts ammo, liek Trog or Okawaru.

>>144060940
Oka, Trog, the usual.

>>144061132
>>144061146
Alright. I was specifically avoiding Trog because otherwise I would have just went MiBe, so I guess I'll go with Oka.

>>144061254
MiHu is probably better than MiBe, more dex, gets benefit from the ammo cooldown as well, and can pinch hit as melee.

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>try to compile C:DDA without any insight on what the current version is because it uses github like every other fucking ``indie" trash game there is
>can't find the version history anywhere
>end up on the shitty official forum
>decide to make an account and ask for help
>within 10 minutes xxXfluffy_sephirothXxx comments in the thread
>furry avatar
>28431 posts
>"i don't know a solution but let me welcome you to the forums :)"
>another 10 comments of other users sucking this faggots dick.
>FINALLY someone links a YouTube video explaining how compiling works
>144p
>x0.5 speed
>2 min intro dragged on to 4 min
>let the body's hit the floor
>some kid talking and typing in notepad
>rewrites the whole sentence after making grammar mistakes
>link in video description
>end up on some scammy russian website
>banners with questionable content everywhere
>scroll all the way down to a download link
>it's a 23kb .dll file
>still takes 30 min to download
>after all this trouble i put it in the rootfolder of the game
>it fucking works
Fuck github

Is it even possible to go chaotic in PCB? You always end up killing evil characters and it tilts your alignment towards lawful, my character always ends up good, especially after killing something like Vecna or Smaug.

>>144061861
Did you time travel back to 2006?

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First streak!

>>144062056
Tyrion can see your shame. Gratz mate.

/rlg/ junethack clan when?

>>144060109
what the FUCK
is this a trunk change? or version 0.18?

>>144061895
Same here, except for the ones that get a large alignment shift (like demon monster races).

I mean, I guess you could grind alignment, but I think I'd rather give up my manes summoning than do that.

>>144062314
trunk

>>144062301
Make one

>>144062408
Actually I just tested on a daemon realm priest, since casting your spells trains relevant virtues, you can macro a spell to lower your alignment.

Not sure if anyone without spells has a benefit for being not-good.

>>144062056
It's all downhill from here, lad.

>>144062301

which nethack version is the recommended?

>>144062056
This >>144062987
You're on a slippery slope to become a winrate faggot. Soon the only thing you'll be playing is optimal combos optimally, and next thing you know you'll be saying crawl is shit

>>144063661
But most of the crawl shitposters are baddies who can't ascend with any regularity.

>>144062056
Great job anon. Hope you can make it a triple!

>>144063792
Wait really
how do you know

>>144062056

congrats. was that a troll monk?

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Is there some sort of guide on how to compile PCB's MPA? I don't know how to work this shit.

>>144064082
The most glaring example I can recall is when some anon kept talking about how the game was getting easier over time because he could get to lair with some regularity when he was never able to before. Instead of putting two and two together and realizing that MAYBE he wasn't as shit as he used to be, he decided that it was the GAME'S fault for being so easy. This ended with my making a huge post, going through each branch specifically pointing out how it was harder and how old crawl really held your hand with all the stupid stuff you could do to mitigate all difficulty.

>>144064183
change debug to compile/make/whatever

then make it

>>144062207
>>144063967
>>144064110
Thanks brahs, yeah, TrMo
>>144063661
>implying the point isn't to win

>>144043032
What's the font?

>>144043032
>[Yeek]
>in red
so the game thinks yeeks are bad right

>>144064326
Also note that this anon later conceded that he had never won and didn't realize just how much had changed. It was enlightening to say the least.

>>144064703
Liberation Mono.

>>144064913
Getting poly'ed into the second weakest race in the game without gaining the levels to offset this is pretty bad, yes.

And usually as a yeek you'll want to be something else whenever you do anything important.

Every time I criticize this game, a everyone talks shit at me forever, but I just want to see if I'm crazy or not.

Two main issues with the game
-Early game is too easy to get mauled by RNG if you play a spellcaster
-Late game too focused on 2 mechanics (Torment and Holy Wrath) causing very little variation in the "optimal strategy"

And in the last several updates nothing has been done to even start to fix either of these, so I assume that I'm just wrong, but can someone explain why I'm wrong?

>>144066209
Most starting backgrounds are pretty equal.
Be, As, and Gl are all quite strong for hitdudes.
IE, Su, VM, and Cj are all very easy for castdudes.
If you are having trouble with casters it's your issue, not an issue with the game.

And only 2 or 3 characters can make it out of the instadeath situations like halberd gnoll/elec goblin blocking the D1 exit, Ijyb zapping you on his first turn with /Acid or whatever, and sigmund spawning with a haste pot and quaffing it and confusing you before you've had a chance to ID. These things happen to every character.

In the post game:
It's four mechanics, but it's still horse shit.
Hellfire and resistance-piercing conjurations are the other two.

>>144066209
Early game (up to pre-Lair and early Lair) is the hardest part of the game, and definitely the most RNG dependent, for any combo. Most magic classes in my experience are the most reliable classes for making it to Lair, aside from Berserker starts. This is because you have ranged attacks. An encounter going badly early on generally means the enemy is still alive and you're out of MP, but he's still a square or two away from you, allowing you to escape. An encounter going bad for a melee dude means you're about to die in the next turn or two if you don't run, and energy randomization allows you to die even if you do run. So spellcasters can choose to walk away and reset an encounter by going through a staircase and coming out of another one without much danger to themselves, when compared to a melee dude. Just explore carefully to prevent getting surrounded or cutoff from stairs.

Torment and holy wrath are only a thing in extended, which has always been a slog. You don't need to worry much about these things for 3-runes. And there is still some variation even with torment in the mix. You don't *need* TSO/necromut/statue to deal with torment, although it does help a lot. You just need to be able to deal with torment-dealing enemies quickly

>>144066659
Well if you pick an elementalist of some sort and you run into 3 jackals on turn 10 before you can even pick up a club, and your first 3 casts go miscast/miss/hit-but-no-kill, theres not much chance of running away long enough to survive. Its very easy to restart such a quick game, so I don't really care, but that doesn't seem like player error.

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I think I just won the newlife roulette

>>144067128
What's your HP at? Are you capped for CON with equips?

>>144066209
Every character except for a minor few suffers from RNG in the early game. I find that especially weak melee dudes have a harder time than spellcasters, although not by much.

Late game is indeed too focused on the same mechanics (inflict aids, summon greater dude, damnfire and torment) but the "optimal" strategy is actually very open ended. You can easily just swap to TSO and do whatever and be a scrub, but it isn't much harder to get 20 evo/wand of digging/source of haste and cheese that shit with whatever viable endgame god you want. 3xbow/max stealth/bob is just as viable as holy exec/TSO and shatter/nado/nohp. Postend "requirements' are actually super fluid, and the only real stuff I'd want on every 15 rune capable dude is haste + dig/disint wand and recharges + either regen the spell or 2 sources of innate regen + good amount of tele scrolls OR tele wand.

>>144067036
Does the community not care about the imbalance of the first 50-100 turns of the game simply because its so easy to reset?

>>144067217
no but I need to get some more potions now that I newlifed. HP is sitting at 1074 while still wearing this -6% hp cloak of the nazgul and not using stone of life. Once I get some potions I should be capped out. It's a very nice spread.

>>144067128
Holy fuck.

>>144067679
Early game is rife with that kind of stuff, and there really isn't much you can do. Its mostly relegated to EARLY D:1 (aka this goblin has a dagger of venom and I have 11 HP), and D:2-6 (centaurs, uniques, adders and so on) as you juggle having no items/no gods/no aux slots with extremely strong enemies. Most casters actually have an easier time with the 2-6 space since they basically leave D:1 with either a solid level 2 or 3 spells, as well as zealots/gladiators/fighters who have their own ways to deal with things. There really isn't much they can do to change the early game to be more fair without making it a breeze.

Is there a compiled version of mpa-pcb for 4.0.2 somewhere?

>>144068290
No, but keep begging and someone will probably get to it eventually.

>>144068114
>>144068114
Fair enough. They could add a minor buff that you get when you first enter the dungeon for like 25 turns because you just came from outside and you had a nice warm bowl of stew at the nearby inn or maybe relaxing with the village prostitute. It would be called Comfy and it would last twice as long if you are a Wanderer because why not

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con getting up there again

>>144068561
You have huge guts anon. Don't get ripped and teared.

Which one should i buy first

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>>144068778
forgot picture

>>144068880
Protection from magic

>>144068880
Protection from fire if you don't have any sources of fire resistance already. Otherwise, save it for way later.

>>144068548
Honestly, if they just started you at level 2 or 3 and cut D:1, everything would be fine.

>>144068880
Spirit shield.

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I really can't decide what I want to get.
I'm playing a paladin so I was thinking between Weapon Versatility or Ambidexterity but I might just end up wearing a shield anyway.
Also Evasion, Speed Reader, Potion Chugger and Fleet of Foot are good too.
I wonder how much Fell Sorcery actually affects the spells and what it does precisely?

>>144070245
Paladins can master all the sword base types.
Fell Sorcery is pretty shit. It's like an 8% spellpower boost or something like that. Usually this translates to ~8% damage boost, but some spells it's more like 12%.
Evasion is amazing.
Cult of Personality is outstanding and Demonic Grasp is great for melee characters.
I'd get Evasion myself.
If your realm has healing spells you might want to get the heal boost.

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>liches have a 275% exp penalty
And I was over here thinking I found my new favorite race to play.

>>144071219
lol

>>144071219
haha

>>144071140
>If your realm has healing spells you might want to get the heal boost.

Oh yeah, I'm Life so I'll probably take that.
How big is the bonus to the Heal spell which heals for 300?
I'm taking Demonic Grasp at 40 of course, it's too good to pass for a melee character.

>>144071219
Just clone dragons and slaughter them :^)

>>144071219
*Chuckles*

>>144071361
I don't know but it's probably really small, on second though probably just get evasion so you don't have to heal as often since you take less damage.
Or check the code and find out exactly how much each does.

What's the purpose of dex on colossi when they're limited to one blow every round?

>>144072307
The accuracy of the punch.

>>144071632
I couldn't decipher the code so I went with evasion.

>>144072307
>Not pumping dex

>>144073072
You have chosen wisely.

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There are more to go, but the Amy already got two of them! :)

>>144074242
what do all of those symbols mean

>>144074242
I take it each icon is a conduct? Congrats either way!

>>144074512
https://junethack.net/trophies

>>144074850
>Trophy for highest score is a black pudding
kek

>>144041704
temproal distortion makes slimes split
the more you knw

How the fuck do you deal with slime pits now
The fucking lol corrosion never NOT hits blobs were already bad enough, but without rMut you also turn into complete cancer

Guys i have an idea for a new crawl enemy
Damnation Shrikes
They are just like the other shrikes but use both damnation variants instead, they also an AI that tries to keep 3 tiles of distance to the player

Why dont they give qaz acid clouds to actually make him decent for extended

>>144075939
You just kill them.
Just kill them.

>>144076074
Don't forget their early-game brothers, Beeoghite Priests.

>>144075939
>without rMut you also turn into complete cancer

but anon kun, they increased the generation of cmut pots to compensate

now instead of one potion, you might get two :^)

nub question here...with the change to how str and dex affect melee damage in dcss, how does str and dex affect ranged combat with bows/xbows?

>>144076650
same as melee
str is damage, dex is to hit

>>144076823
str boosts crossbow damage? that makes no sense. at best it would decrease reload speed. whatever

>>144076874
It's all abstractions anyway.

>>144077053
That's what she said.

Permadeath is a cancerous feature for people with way too much free time

It should at the very least be optional in all games

>>144077267
I agree, CoQ and ToME4 are the actual visionaries of the genre

>>144077251
>tfw no non-euclidean gf

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Good game design, i might as well press <

>>144077554
My ex used hyperbole all the time.

>>144077642
>They say that the orb of zot exists in the bottom of the dungeon but no one has ever found it.
>Found a staircase leading out of the dungeon.
>You open the door.
>A gnoll comes into view, it is wielding a halberd.
>The gnoll shouts!

>>144077741
Free ecks pee.

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>>144075939
>getting mutated in slime
>ever
Naga, there is so much shit that blocks shining eyes' LoS in slime that you should have enough time to zap them with a wand or something. If you want to be a true scrub, read torment -> immolation -> kill a dude. It should start a chain reaction that kills TRJ and most of the jellies.

>>144076414
Funnily enough, you should have atleast 2 or 3 cmuts by the time you get to slime. If you get hit with more than 2 muts in slime, you REALLY screwed up and don't know how to manage your LoS or got really unlucky. You'll only need to quaff 3 or so during a full extended run if you really manage it well, which is basically what you should get out of the dungeon. Let alone what you find in pan.

>>144076263
It wouldn't be enough. Being loud isn't actually something to be proud of.

>>144077642
>This is what you see after you get your first streak

BRING BACK CRUSADER!

>>144078198
GAS THE ZEALOTS
REMOVAL WAR NOW

>>144077880
>Funnily enough, you should have atleast 2 or 3 cmuts by the time you get to slime
Its more like 1 to 2, which one badly placed eye can already force you to use

>It's an Ijib with a wand of lighting and potion of haste episode

>>144078562
Looking back at my last 3 3rune wins, they each had 3~ cmuts either quaffed or in the inventory by D:1, skewed more towards 4. Its definitely a consideration when you're going to pan, but you should easily have enough to do slime and abyss.

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I fucking love it.

What stat should you generally increase as a transmuter?
Str for more punchydamage?
Int so you can memorize forms and cast them reliably sooner?
Dex for more can'ttouchme?

>>144079581
dex to 18 then strength
dont skill armour at all if you want to go stone form

>>144079663
Thank you.

>>144079663
>>144079695
You should train armour if you need AC. It is more XP efficient to not train armour and learn statue form, but it is unwise to bank on finding a spell that you are not guaranteed to find.

>>144080012
>>144079663
4-8 armour is cheap for every character who wants to wear leather-ringmail, even with a shit apt.

>play demonspawn
>you feel monstrous
>you are immune to rotting
If i wanted to play a ghoul i would have picked a ghoul

>>144080223
What the fuck is even the point of monstrous.

>>144080376
>play monstrous demonspawn
>go Jiyva
>feeling the power
>suddenly Jiyva takes away all my STR and puts it into DEX and INT because I'm using statue form
>lose all killing power
>die

thanks jiyva

>>144080376
the point is you lose around 12ac for nothing

The devs are actually thinking about removing HE because they are too similar to Hu

>>144081086
ree

>>144081086
What's the difference between HE and Te anyways, aren't they just flightless Te

>>144081086
link?

>>144081318
more hitpoints

>>144081086
Against the removal of elven scum?
Boy are you people dumb.

Does playing a felid turn crawl into a roguelite?

>>144081623
oh shit
does that mean playing felid makes you more casual than MiBe

>>144081623
>>144081668
Yes and yes.
Fuck off shills.

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>>144081623
>>144081668
>tfw died to early gnoll pack and on the orb run and it still counted as a "win" in the tourney

>>144080376
>>144080525

I've gotten transmuter demonspawn to xl 27, expecting there to be a payoff... somewhere. No, nothing.

I don't get it. They're shitty forever.

>>144081760
what am I shilling, I think you are using that word in the wrong context

>>144081872
>>144080376
>>144080501
>>144080525

Monstrous demonspawn seem to be universally hated. Why doesn't the devteam just axe them?

>>144082323
axing them might make demonspawn fun
cant have that
How about we increase the chance to be monstrous to 33% instead?

Could anyone rate statue form to me? I almost universally use necromutation instead. How do the two compare?

>>144082601
Crawl is shit.

>>144082648

I'm aware.

>>144082601
different situations

if you're a monk, statue form lets you kill orbs of fire in two punches

necromut is good for casters dicking around in the postgame

dead

>>144086181
well I'm clearing megazigs on berotato for another hour till I have class, on my 5th one

normally don't ask for viewers but since you're asking for some roguelikes

>>144086416
Crawl is a rougelite at best.

>>144086416
why would you do zigs

>>144086485
Your meme'ing is weak. You need a modicum of truth to have any real effect.

The statement "cata isn't a roguelike" would take you much further since it is far removed from being anything like rogue.

>>144087198
*rougelike

>>144087198
Well technically stuff like cata and unreal world arent even games since they dont have a goal

just finished shoving a 9' dildo up my ass, can confirm it's more fun than roguelikes

>>144088602
Well no shit.
Massaging one's prostate with a huge dildo is the funnest thin in the world.

>>144088602
>>144088729
>tfw no qtsie anon to have fun with while playing roguelikes

>>144088821
Nothing gay about massaging your prostate, anon.
Just let it happen.

>>144088885
I never said it is, im just saying i would like to massage qt anons prostate while we play roguelikes together..

Y'all niggas is gay.

>>144088972
>not being gay
Hello grampa

>>144089639
Im anime sexual

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How can i stop sucking? Why can't i find valuable armor/weapons anywhere?

>>144091420
seems like a decent progression

>chase and kill a butterfly
>Gozag doesn't reward me even with 1gp
What kind of jew god is this?

>>144094721
You could have made more money in that time
Gozag doesnt approve of inefficient money making

Just killed Oberon with my balrog warrior. Not really that close to ready for the Serpent though I think...not enough healing potions if nothing else.

>>144095540
this is correct

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>this faggot on 3rd floor
>stairs are miles away

>>144097209
>melee-only enemy who constantly blinks OUT OF melee range
oh dear how will i Literally Walk Away this time

>>144097602
Except he's both faster than you and sometimes decides to just wreck your ass instead of blinking.
Or he blinks into your escape route.

so with [BOB] does it run out of charges eventually?

>>144091420
I made a quick MiGL based around polearms to show you how shit you are and how ridiculously easy minotaurs are, and even I'm astonished at how shit you are and how incredibly easy it is to get anywhere as a minotaur.

I'm tabbing through uniques like they're fucking butter and I've got double the weapon, armor, and evasion skills than I usually do at this point.

What are you doing with your skills?
Why did you choose polearms to begin with?
Are you identifying your scrolls and potions?
Are you running from things that look even slightly dangerous?
Are you using the tools your god gives you?

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note to self, [BOB] and angel summons do not play nice

>>144099084
yes

>>144099505
>falling for the BoB meme

>>144099748
the bob's killed cebrov well enough, not sure if that means it's a good or bad meme

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>George: I'm telling you, I can't be with someone who calls the crossword a 'roguelike'.
>Jerry: Why wouldn't the crossword be a roguelike? It's different every day, and if you mess up one letter it's over, you screwed it up.
>George: You don't write right on the crossword; nobody writes right on the crossword! You make a copy of it so you can start over if you screw it up.
>Jerry: Isn't that cheating?
>George: Look, we're getting off topic; she's abusing the term. There are rules established, set in stone, about what a roguelike is. They even had a convention about it in Berlin. Berlin, Jerry! If it doesn't follow the rules to the letter, it isn't a roguelike. By the definition, the crossword just does not fit.
>Jerry: I don't see the issue, you should be able to call something whatever you want. To-may-to to-mah-to and all that.
>George: It's not the same thing! If you start tossing the term about whenever you want, it loses meaning, it loses purpose. Kind of like 'irony'.

*Enter Kramer*

>Kramer: Jerry, listen, I just had a great idea. We can set up a slot machine, right outside the building. So many people walk by every day, you're bound to get a few suckers. We'll be rich in no time!
>Jerry: How would you get a gambling license from the city that would let you set up a slot machine on the sidewalk?
>Kramer: No, you see, I found the perfect loophole; all you have to do is call it an 'entertainment device' and never mention the gambling, and they can't get you! I even thought of the perfect tagline to draw everyone in: "Features roguelike elements!"
>George: See what I mean, Jerry? You let one thing get by and BAM! It's open season!

>>144100076
>implying OC

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>>144100076

>>144100076
I appreciate the fact you took time to make this post
I've never seen seinfield or whatever the name is but it's rpetty funny

>>144100485
MY EYES

>>144100552
he literally just copy-pasted it from elsewhere, don't worry

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>>144100763
>google doesn't give any results

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>>144100076
That's awesome.

>+1 glaive {speed, *Drain Fragile MP+9 Str+2 Int+3}
>+2 bardiche of venom
Which and why?
I'm currently wielding the glaive because I got it around D:4 and it's a fucking beast thanks to the brand, but the bardiche obviously has higher base damage. Iffy about the brand though.

>>144100882

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3563643&pagenumber=400#post460483936

>>144101031
speed is pretty much the best brand possible (other than holy against holy-vulnerable monsters)

keep the glaive for a while, especially since it's lower xp investment too

eventually when you rebrand the bardiche to something endgame-tier you can swap

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>>144101121
>you need to be logged in to see this thread

>>144101248
What would you say is better, a bardiche, or a demon trident and a large shield?
I know this general has been raving on about shields lately because of that one MuMo win, but I've seen a lot of posts praising two-handed weapons that aren't axes in the past.

>>144101452
large shield a shit, it takes 25 skill to remove penalties

Dtrident and medium shield is good though, and takes much less xp than bardiche.

If you're not a merfolk, training polearms to 26 is probably too expensive to be worth it.

>>144101564
Thank you for the advice.

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>worship TSO
>Am in unholy pan
>angel in pan
>angel fights WITH demons not against them
>angel gets TSO to smite me

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It's that wonderful time of the year again.

>>144104557
TSO is testing you to see if you truly are the chosen one

>>144104557
Now you know the true meaning of a Neutral Good Deity
Also TSO sends seraphs to steal the orb from you

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTeMdsKq0d0

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>>144104557
Jiyva (or some say Jiyvm) is the only god that truly loves you.

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Alright. What am I in for?

>>144107392
Trog is pretty damn generous, though. I'd say he's the god of companionship and generosity.

>>144107580
trog is the local fucking frat house
buncha douchy cunts
aw yeah bro we got you bro
what's that bro you fightin our enemies bro, fuckin spellcasters n shit bro
that's okay bro we'll give you a weapon bro alright bro here you go bro now go crunch dat spellcaster puss bro

ash is waifu god
once you show your loyalty she'll help you achieve anything you want to
you want to stop being a manchild and start being a man? that's cool ash got your back
ash got your back all the way

>>144108091
you just convinced me to worship ash everytime no matter the combo i'm playing.
Time to splat!

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>annotate level "everything is polytraps"
>walk three steps
>polytrap

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well that's a noice start.
What god should I pick?

>>144100076
megakek

>>144108961
Chei my man

>>144108961
makhleb
tab harder than you've ever tabbed before

>>144107580
>Alright. What am I in for?
ignite spam and infinitely recharging AoE electric smiting golem spam

>>144108961
>picking up weapons as a TrMo
why though

>>144109637
I was just curious to see giant club's base accuracy no real reason.

>>144109849
There are no clubs in that screenshot, only a dagger. Also ?/ is your friend for looking up stats and descriptions on things.

>>144108619
ash won't hold your hand like the frat party, or the senile war veteran with the attic full of trash. but she'll support you from the sidelines and help you grow as a person.
she won't force you to be a certain person
all she wants is your devotion, and she'll aid you to grow to be whoever you want to be

ash is so underrated

>>144110345
so ash is a tulpa

>>144110560
no that's the stand god
what, you think that ancestral spirit was real?
you never even set foot in the cave, sonny
you're in a coma
please wake up

>>144110345
>she
I thought it's a guy.

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No seriously
fuck them

>>144110838
with a feminine dick

>>144110838
All the gods in Crawl are genderless in game but most people don't seem to care. I dunno why Ashenzari being a grill is a more popular idea, though.

>>144109564
>first encounter
>die
In hindsight, I'm really not sure if I had any effective encounters to the fotia. I had a modified aspis with bloodthirst and pounce but it was taking damage pretty damn quickly so even that wouldn't have done much, and losing such a demon would have hurt if I survived anyway. Asrai would be almost useless against them, and most of my party was weak to fire.

>>144110994
Interesting, I alway imagined Ashenzari being related to Uranus, both being shackled and related to sky.

>>144110994
Because that faggot further up the thread has decided to turn Ash into a waifu.

>>144111652
Usually when I encounter fotia in a bad position or if I simply can't kill them, I'll just send out a fire resistant decoy and run away.

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No you know what?
This is fine.
Even without polyselfless If I win I'm gonna have a 12 conduct dyna win for the junethack and nobody will be able to top that one.
Plus I've got the full ascension kit already.
I've just gotta farm some guards and then I'm set.

Things are gonna be just fine.

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>>144112278
>farming in nethack

>>144112278
why wouldn't anyone be able to top that
also beware the vorpal jabberwock

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>>144112408

>>144112467
Because before I raised the bar with my 13 win the highest ever amount of conducts was 11. 12 is still pretty good.

Is it possible to adapt DCSS to D&D?

>>144112261
It was my first time, anyway; an ukobach was my only fire-resistant demon. Oh well. I went to Anomaly before clearing Tower:6 (all that left was a group of haietlik and gandayah, and I probably had effective counters by the time I departed). I've yet to see anything beyond the sixth floor but this run was still good enough to make it into the top 100 scores. I find the difficulty of the game really wild so far: most encounters are a breeze until the sixth floor and ones that aren't end your game pretty damn hard and/or quick.

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>>144113045
No, it's absolutely impossible.
How on earth could something so preposterous ever be achieved?
You must be a great fucking genius for even suggesting it.

>>144113045
I guess that depends on how far the adaptation needs to go. Simply having a quest where you delve through a branched dungeon to obtain some runes then a powerful orb doesn't seem like it'd be too difficult to do.

>>144113305
>it's a "weaboo thinks he's a human being" post

>>144113367
DCSS D&D /qst/ when

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>tfw cataclysm DDA development is stagnating to a near halt

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If only anyone used ranged combat in pcb

>>144113448
>butt-blasted because of a negative response to putting babby's first roguelike in babby's first p&p.

>>144114212
>he seriously, actually believes he's people, in spite of being a weaboo

generally accepted female gods
>lugonu
>ashenzari
>ru
>ely
>sif muna

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>>144114401
>ru

>>144114346
>implying that's me

>>144114637
I believe you

You know what would be fun? Making a Orc of Beogh, doing at least a bit of post-end to have the xp to branch into summoning and get decent Evo, get a few decks of summoning/rod of shadows, then take Zot:5 by storm with an army of summons and orcs

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Pakellas, you sick fuck.
>>144113305
Yeah, it's incredibly weird, considering that DCSS itself borrows a decent amount of concepts from DnD.
I guess you could stat some monsters or something, but I still fail to see the point.

>>144115569
as if orc armies would even make it through depths/zot, or even vaults for that matter
orc allies die like fucking popcorn, sadly.

>>144115569
no

>>144116053
>>144116116
You know you can literally just park orcs on cleared levels, right? Beogh gives you an ability to summon all of them at once

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So, uh, I can't be the only one who has to wear a condom all the time just in case while playing PCB since finding awesome loot makes you cum, right?

>>144116351
orcs aren't cars so you can't "literally" park them

>>144116636
Upvote friend

Ashenzari is best god.

>>144116693
That's not the meaning of the word I'm using. It's not even something videogame-specific

>1.1 [with object and adverbial of place] informal Leave (something) in a convenient place until required:

If you're going to be pedantic at least ensure you're right

>>144114401
no way, ru is some kind of skinny ascetic chinese monk stereotype with a big shiny bald head

>>144117112
>>144114401
not even
ru is some mighty ancient egyptian male deity who rules over many things and stuff
some mighty cunt
hence why you must sacrifice things of great value in order to obtain his favor
egyptian gods hardcore

>>144117282
You dont obtain his favor, you simply ascend to a higher being