/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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Ohayou gozaimasu, /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's play our best today!

>>144208107
but it's less tedious to hold down tab

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Could anyone direct me to a comprehensive guide for UnReal World?
Thank you, /rlg/.

>>144207903
Trident is better, but have you seriously found no higher tier maces yet?

>>144207903
Once you pick a weapon class, just stick with it.

Something good will come along.

>>144209618
I've got a +4 mace of venom, and there's a morningstart laying around in lair, should I just pick it up and then make it distorsion?

>>144210123
Well I'll just rock with maces then. This mace ain't too bad, except that it makes me go berserk when I'm fighting a single kobold most of the times.

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>>144208658
I've only started playing it recently too, but Fishing seems bretty OP. You can trade a couple of roasted pikes and some trash for a fine battleaxe/sword, and it's a great source of food.
It's a really comfy game though.

>>144210530

A +0 morningstar will probably perform better than either of those, just based on how the game calculates damage. I'd brand it ASAP, it's a very good weapon that can carry you through most of the game until you find an eveningstar, or a good two-hander.

>>144210530
Get the morning star

>>144210530
save your disto brand for a great mace eveningstar or dwhip.

great maces in particular are super common

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It took a while but snotling are patient. Ninjas looks really op desu

>>144210971

To clarify: don't use your disto on the morningstar. If you can brand it with a scroll, I meant.

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>poking through the vault files for DCSS
>lugonu_bribe.des
How rare is this thing? I've never seen it, but that's hilarious.

>>144212652
>no ninja_slayer.des
Missed opportunity.

>>144212652
Pretty rare, but people have posted screenshots of it before.

>>144212652
what's it do?

>>144213490
It's a special Lugonu altar. When it comes in to view, an item "emerges from the Abyss." This item is always forbidden under your current god (i.e. a wand of hasting for Chei worshippers.)
If you don't have a god, it's an amulet of faith.

>>144210651
How did you learn the game? The hard way?

>>144213904
>his item is always forbidden under your current god
Okawaru doesn't have any forbidden items.
What would happen as an oka dude? Still "faith?

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>>144213490

>>144214065
I think that if your god has no forbidden items/conducts, nothing happens. You wouldn't even know it was a special altar, except that Lugonu altars are rare.

>>144213904
>>144214072
That's fucking amazing

>>144214072
I like that xom's forbidden item helps you worship him better.

>>144214065
It should give a -3 cloak

>>144212849
what about this one

>>144214429
Invocations has no impact with Xom, but it does with Lugonu :^)

>>144214513

But useless items are Oka's forte.

>>144214520
Funny.

>>144213923
Yeah, and I have still a lot to learn.

>>144208107
MISS DICKU TODAY

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Trophy get! If this continues, the Amy will actually lead her clan to glory! :)

>>144214072
So what kinds of items are they?

>>144217142
It says right in the image, anon.

>>144215767
>I posted "Miss dicku today"
>to see if I still feel
>I focus on the dick
> the only thing that's real
>and you could have it all
>my empire of dongs
>I would let you down
>I don't go to work

>>144216171
Please leave us alone.

>>144218307
she ain't doing no harm to anyone, bob
leave her be

I just started playing DCSS and its pretty fun, my best try so far is 8113 on D:10, how close am I getting to winning?

>>144215538
I wish I had a cool tutorial of some sort.
I only manage to find crappy 1+ hour-long YouTube video of dudes rambling about the game and delivering piss-poor directions.

>>144218867
There's no pasta?

>>144218624
Considering that my worst win (out of two) with 3 runes had a score of 1371613 (more than a million and half points than you) and I visited 52 levels, you've still loads to play. Don't worry, you'll get good in no time.

>>144218624
baby steps

I was auto traveling between Orcish Mines and Lair and lost 1 of my mercenaries.
Is there an easy solution to find it or do I have to backtrack the entire Dungeon?

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whats the holdup on a new cata dda stable? been like a year.

>>144220365
I thought that game died a long time ago. Didn't they promise z-level building and they never delivered? Aren't the NPCs still shit?

>>144219917
You can learn recall and cast it on each floor

>>144218624
post server and name if you play online, I'll coach you.

>>144219917
in the future press control-e first

Is there a way to have multiple pcb saves if you compiled from source in linux? I'm kinda tired of my demigod and want to make an imp dosh knight, but I also don't want to lose the time I've already put in the demigod

>>144211545
What influences the frequency of sneak attacks, and what's the multiplier on it?

Ninjas are fun, but I found I has trouble actually killing end game uniques,or anything I couldn't slaughter instantly.

>>144221494
Add the argument -ualt to start a new save under the user "alt".

>>144221424
I had that on

>>144221713
Thanks

>>144219024
wot?

>>144222439
Take a closer look at the OP.

>>144218624
D:10 isn't bad at all for a new player.

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hmm

>>144221271
Thanks for the offer, but I would embarrass the shit out of my self. I'll just keep brute forcing my way through and figuring out what I'm doing along the way.

>>144223007
It gets everyone once.

>>144223007
Classic Oka gift.

>>144220365
they added so much unstable shit like magazines and 3d z levels that I predict nethack will release 4.00 before DDA 0.D "stable" will be released.

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>>144221638

if the monster's asleep or fleeing you always get a stab

otherwise if you have ninja stealth active it checks your level and stealth skill against their level in some weird function

sleep stabs are * (3 + level/20)
fleeing stabs are * 3/2
stealth stabs are * (5/2 + level/25)

also there's a chance to do *5 damage on any attack which stacks with those multipliers (and is more common on stabs than normal attacks)

and there's also a chance to fatally injure monsters which hits for half their maxhp. 1 in 666 on normal attacks, 1 in 11 on stabs (but not against uniques), and increasing chances if they're under half health

>>144227613
not all of that shit is in the screenshot though

just read cmd1.c and control-f "backstab"

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>>144222564
>http://pastebin.com/pkf1qnuZ
The pasta is barebones desu

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>>144227613
How are you supposed to kill big J as a ninja? Or any other boss for that matter? Do you just impale them while they're sleeping?

>>144228830
yeah, actually.
First attack you take on J slices him down to ****.

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>7.62mm Type P rounds leave behind 7.62x39mm casings
Sasuga, Granade

>>144229047
But what happens if they wake up before? Reset the level?

>>144229207
>But what happens if they wake up before?
He's always awake. You just *CRIT* him for the first hit and that's it.

>>144228830
how big is J's monlite?

you pretty much have to step away to get ninjastealth and then step back to hit, and make sure to have lots of stealth skill.

also apparently if you use the rush attack skill it ignores penalties from monster light even if you're still inside it

on the bright side ninjas get a buff that gives them a 50% chance to just take 0 damage so that's pretty good for high level fights

It's upsetting how well fleshed out ninjas are and then 95% of the other classes are just fucking boring or tedious

>>144218867
I watched a multipart lets play on it that was really informative. Maybe check that out

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>>144229659
Yeah, the only classes I ever had fun with is monk, ninja, samurai, duelist, and time-lord. Pretty much the reason why I play nothing but monster now but stay fuck away from high exp penalty races.

>>144230486
does dcss let you reinforce your fursuit with kevlar plates?

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>>144230636
No and for good reason

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Somebody stop me

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>dicks is dead
>whales is a normalfag now
>granade is still alive
>chris still has no idea what he's doing
>DCSS has less content everyday

>>144230842
does dcss let you take the masochist perk and craft yourself a pair of leather cat ears? :3

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>tfw your win makes the OP
I can't handle this type of pressure

>>144231094
>namefag jerkoff
Kill yourself.

>>144231094
also apparently chris only has a few hours per week of internet access to read messages? does he work on a fucking submarine or something?

>>144231245
>I never win so I never feel this pressure

stay jelly

Are there any multiplayer rouges? These seem fun and it seems like it'd be even funnier if I could try to stay alive and survive with friends.

>>144231516
There are some multiplayer rogue"lites"

Why is C:DDA so easy? All it takes even with the worst start possible is for you to find a knife, shred everything into rags, find a liquor store and a compressed airhorn and look a it go. Whole city's in flames with all the zombies dead. And that's not even getting into making a super Deathmobile and finding new towns to burn.

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>8 races and 13 classes left to beat in DCSS
>realized I still won't be able to fill in the removed classes/races
>those blank boxes will be there forever

>>144232301
play previous versions, duh

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>>144232247
If you think that makes the game easy you should try martial arts.

>>144226004
>tfw still using 0.C
>it's over a year old at this point
Really at some point they needed to have said "no more new shit until we get the current additions ironed out or removed."

>>144233842
What else did you expect from an adom-tier dev?

>>144233927
What does being an adom-tier dev entail? I've never played it and know nothing about him aside from the kikery I've seen him accused of here.

>>144226004
I hate how you can walk downstairs and pass out for eight hours and walk back up and combat resumes normally without anything moved since you last left it.

>>144235627
Taking forever to implement shit. At least DDA is free though and adom has been doing some nice updates lately.

>>144235627
>What does being an adom-tier dev entail?

Most of the beef for Biskup was because he refused to release the source for ADOM despite not developing it for over a decade.

It cooled down since development began again. The kikery isn't bad either since he still puts out free updates.

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>did two hells already
>only now just realized I can shaft myself to the ends of each hell
forget digging, shafting is degenerate.

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>>144238909
>shafting to 7th floor

Nigga, one of these days you're gonna land on Antaeus and 3 Ice Demons.

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Jesus, with the way i've been playing i should NOT be alive right now
I've gotten stupidly lucky with that disto axe, even at +0 shit's incredible, and Fedhas was surprisingly good too. Haven't found an use for her abilities other than evolve, maybe some of you can tell me how to use them

>>144223007
>>144224125
>>144224571
>troll gets trolled
Ebin.

>>144229051
>Sasuga
what does this mean

>>144238909
not really that great considering you can skip most of hell anyway, if you're ready to take on the end boss you're more than ready to skip 6 levels of fodder
also >>144240092

>>144240327
>Jesus, with the way i've been playing i should NOT be alive right now
You wont be for much longer, axes tend to favor a risky playstyle (letting enemies surround you and cleaving them down) eventually you're gonna bite more than you can chew, i've lost 3 incredibely strong axe cleavers with a shitton of regen just by getting too arrogant.

>>144240327
>and Fedhas was surprisingly good too. Haven't found an use for her abilities other than evolve, maybe some of you can tell me how to use them
You have to use its abilities creativily, you can use rain to carrot narrow passages or seal off sections of the dungeon, or create oklob farms and surround them with water and lure enemies into them, fedhas works extremely well with merfolk because you can shape the terrain to your own advantage

>>144240327
I recommend you drop a the broadaxe and the shield.
Get a battleaxe or executioners axe (if you can find one)
A battleaxe of freezing is common drop from frost giants and can probably outdps that broadaxe even with a +0 enchant.

tl;dr one handed axes are shit

Just got a blessed amulet in PCB, what does "blessed by the gods" mean?
Also, does the regeneration from this amulet stack with the regeneration spell from the first life book?

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veil tank OP

>>144240327
Fedhas is a god that has abilities that are always situational, yet can really work well.

Remember that sunlight reveals invisible and is really helpful to fight enemies that rely on water. Also spores are pretty good, use them. Also remember to not waste too many fruits.

>>144244438
The shield has been incredibly good since i've been stuck with this axe since almost the beginning, but once i find a scroll of brand weapon i'll be able to safely remove the axe and switch to an exec axe i found in that hell vault

>>144244525
It has a chance to resist cursing. Basically flavour.

On a weapon it means you can use it on a priest without penalty -- except you probably can't train the skill above !basic so it's still not that helpful. Oh well.

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It was kill or be killed.

And the reward was big.

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Can someone explain to me how dual-wielding works? My warrior has 2 swords going on but can't hit shit for his life. My current skill is [Un] so do I just stomach this and keep hitting low-level mobs to grind the skill up?

i'm getting almost 16 blows per round help

What's something curbstompy for PCB that's not an android rune knight?

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>>144245830
it is more accurate (in melee) to start with light weapons, though in practice I only rarely intentionally use a light main or off weapon for any real length of time. Really just keep adventuring and wailing on things and it will go up to Beginner and Skilled quite quickly, a bit until Expert, and a long while until Master

gloves of genji ego also help, as do the rare drop of Mephistopheles pic relateds that are the same but better (worn on my current balrog warrior)

>>144245830
Yes. Everyone starts at [Un] dual wielding, gotta work your way up. Some classes (like warrior) go up pretty fast, some slower, some can't go very high at all.

>>144246127
Demigod rune knight

>>144246127
tonberry monk
many kinds of Mauler
ninja, warrior, swordmaster
Q, jelly, giant monsters

>>144246127
literally maulers
like dwarf mauler, or whatever non-retarded race substitution of your choice

>>144244954
Thanks. It also gives +10 AC and +1 str and light radius so ill stick with it.
Regarding weapon training, should i prioritize +hit? or the posibility to train that type of wapon over skilled? As a pala i'm torn beetween a *slay* orc warhammer and a *slay* human long sword. I've been evoiding the desition by diving into the orc caves, but i reached the boss and he almost killed me so it'll be a while till i go back there.

>>144246156
>>144246220
Thanks guys. One more question, how do you kill Azog as a human? This is my first time playing one and I chose warrior because I usually play casters. Humans are just so weak though, usually I can get a race to 20-25 easily by messing around in orc caves and then kill Azog but even a level 20 something human gets destroyed. Do I just grind until 30 so I can get the awesome special ability? Which one is the best for warriors? I remember some guy posted a picture of the choices you can take and I saw ambidexterity and thought that would be awesome for a dual-wielding warrior.

>>144244525
there's only one "regen" property, and it doesn't stack

same with everything else that only shows a single tick on your character sheed, like free action, hold life, sinv, etc

>>144246781
basically all you need are some ?Phase Door, some !Cure Critical Wounds, 1 to 3 !Speed, and a decent map (keep regenerating the floor until you get something where he is without orc diggers and not in a huge open space where phase door can be deadly). Azog is naturally +10 speed so characters that aren't well above the curve will have trouble in melee.

Also, since you're a warrior (and thus pretty good at shooting) you can add in a bow and arrows (you can pay to enchant up your arrows in Morivant).

Quaff speed, shoot at him until he closes, hit him a bit, read phase when you take some damage, quaff potions until you're high hp, shoot at him until he closes, requaff speed if you run out, on loop until he dies

>>144246993
I think regen maybe does stack in pcb?

>>144245230
holy fuck

>>144245830
pretty much, yeah

worth noting that lower-weight weapons are easier to dual-wield and thus easier to hit with

>>144232247
>worst start possible

Anon, if you give yourself the worst start possible, you categorically CANNOT WIN.

I don't get the appeal of playing on EZ mode and then complaining about it being too easy.

>I'll play the game on 2% of maximum difficulty
>then complain about it being too easy
>instead of raising difficulty

>>144246781
ambidexterity still gives a bonus but warriors are already pretty good at dual wielding

it would be better if you were some other class with a shitty dual wield skill

>>144247249
cdda difficulty just makes the beginning harder tho

once you have a comfy pile of loot in a van or something you can pretty much live forever, unless you have hordes turned on or you set zombie scaling factor to some ridiculous number and every city has 20 hulks

>>144232247
>>144232491
>>144247249
Cataclysm is about finding your own fun. If you find yourself balking at something, you need to change it up. When I was going to build my outer heaven, I took pacifist and a bunch of other stuff to weaken my character. In the end, I succumbed to a hulk. I could have easily beaten that hulk and not lost 10+ hours of building, crafting and honing my character if I had just used martial arts, ran the damn thing over or used survival suits. But I don't find that remotely enjoyable, and cata isn't the kind of game where I feel compelled to play optimally like crawl, so it was no skin off my nose. Give yourself a goal and avoid as much cheese as possible.

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>>144245830
some day you may

warriors are super good at dual wield, though 2-handing a single weapon, or sword and board, are also good

the shooting potential can be nice too

>>144246781
ambidexterity is good, however it does not stack with and is overruled by the "increases your ability to hit when wielding two weapons" effect of genji ego, mephi gloves, and the occasional super special randart. So if you plan to use those, don't take the mut, though having flexibility with not typing down your glove slot to that can be nice

ambi or genji effect is still pretty damn helpful to warriors as they really don't have alternatives to high-ac opponents besides accuracy, and genji on my current balrog warrior at least adds like ~11% to hit vs higher acs which is huge on almost 16 blows

>>144246339
>>144246365
>>144246527
Thanks, chums.

>>144246527
android mauler

android is the coolest race, and mauler starting equipment is enough that you start at level 5+

>You hit. You hit. You hit. It was a *great* hit! Your weapon drains life from it. It seems weakened. You hit. You hit. It was a superb hit! You hit. Your weapon drains life from it. It seems weaker. You hit. It was a *great* hit. You hit. You hit. Your weapon cuts deeply into it! You hit. You gouge it! You hit. You hit. You gouge it. You hit. Your weapon cuts deeply into it! You hit. You hit. You cut it in half!!! You have slain the Elder Storm Giant.

warriors for president

>>144250103
>You cut it in half!!!
vorpal weapons best weapons

>>144250280
if I find Chainsword I will probably have to wield it just for the special messages
>KILL KILL KILL!

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>>144245230
>8 slices of pizza (quivered)

>>144250398
That reminds me of when I first discovered that key.

>>144244729
I could never make it past floor 2

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>>144240092
>>144243838
Bitch please, i was expecting that to happen and was disspointed when it didn't.

ps. Antaeus has some trolly loot in his vaults this game

>>144250787
I don't get it

>>144250103
>quaff !benMut
>Get evolve
>Removes one tier of agility
>Gives me berserkeritis
10/10 mutation, truly in line with the dev team's line of thinking

>>144250637
With a veil tank or what?

>>144250956
>faith
>rc-
if i was dumb enough to wear id it i'd be stuck with a loss of cold resist on a floor with tons of cold damage, or lose a shit ton of piety.

>>144251187
With any starting artifact period

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I was expecting more !!!'s, what a let down

>>144251237
That's why you should always identify artifact amulets, anon.
Don't tell me you always put them on to identify them?

>>144247518
>unless you have hordes turned on

so again I ask, why do cringy, whiny little cunts play on supreme EZ mode and complain about how easy mode is easy? why the extreme levels of whininess over absolutely nothing?

why do people jam their hand in the door, scream "my hand hurts," and then continue to slam the door on their hand and say "WHY WONT MY HAND STOP HURTING? WHY IS LIFE SO UNFAIR?!"

>>144251461
If nly you had the Boots of the Assassin; it would've been glorious.

>>144251643
He was

>>144251461
>only six !
that's 288-575 damage

do you not have the boots of ass or what

i think you can hit that with 27 skills and a +0 dagger

How do I turn on DESERT_TEST mode in CDDA?

Any recommendations on how to unlock pyromancer quickly in Tome?

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>>144251139
>actually wanting a fully risk free form of polymorph/mut

that said I have a bunch of saved !poly for my balrog warrior that I haven't quaffed b/c I don't want to lose my race, stats, or precious 117% life rating, though I wouldn't mind a couple nice muts.

>>144251734
How weird. How much M&F he has?

>>144251921
http://te4.org/games/addons/tome/ignore-raceclass-locks

>>144251921
you mean the wildfire tree for archmages?

probably just pick a class with some fire damage spell (alchemist?) and play the game

if you really want to grind for it you can probably use the dummies in the shertul fortress

just get a class with some aoe fire spell, set it to auto-cast whenever it's off cooldown, and rest for 99999 turns

>>144251996
27

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>this figurine
Holy SHIT I wish I knew about this before I rode into town and bought a bunch of shit.

>>144251498
sometimes, depends on how many scrolls i got. or how ballzy i'm feeling

>>144251972
I don't think polymorph potions can do anything other than give mutations.

>>144252179
yeah also always check black markets too. feelsawfulman when you missbuy before seeing the discounted RoS

if players knew how much shit they missed by not habitually checking the black market rotations they'd Q@y

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>>144251996
I've got everything I need, boots, 27 stealth, 27 M&F, it just doesn't make a lot of !!!'s

I'm sure that if I hit asmodeus wihtout the boots it wouldn't have 1-hit him

>>144251972
polymorph potions used to actually change your race but now they only cause mutations

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>>144252645
I sold my boots, my amulet, my crossbow, and my cutlass for this shit. Not to mention all my cure crit wounds and recalls scrolls.

How do I transmuter lads

Half the shit doesn't even look worth casting

>>144252810
you focus transmutation to get ice form asap
then work on unarmed

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AZOG WILL HAVE A LOT OF FUN FIGHTING THIS THING

>>144251525
I have chosen every possible food intolerance with super small cities and 0.01 item spawning factor and x10 enemy spawns and the game is still to easy on a Super Bad Day start without cheesing the game with vehciles.

>>144251461
>>144252646
>10STR
Found the problem

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>>144252646
>27 in every skill
What the fuck are you doing

>>144252348
oh huh just checked and this is correct, though stuff like stone of chaos or various other effects call do_poly_self, !polymorph does not

gained and then lost wings, scorpion tail, understand magic, and was ultimately left with intrinsic Recall. Not bad. Makes it easier to switch off of The Jewel of Judgement for the Stone of Life later if I want (and wear some other rChaos).

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Name my dragon /rlg/

>>144252931
remember you can use the 'p'et menu to name it.
v. important

also depending on your class you may eventually be able to ride it

get a pokeball maybe if you can, they usually retail for ~1200

>>144253101
>I am nowhere near max difficulty, yet the game is too easy. What should I do? Don't tell me to raise difficulty even though the difficulty is too low, normal difficulty should be the perfect difficulty for newbies and greybeards alike

Well if you're absolutely allergic at the idea of raising the difficulty, you could install the rebalancing mod.

>>144253468
Dicks

>>144253101
How did you get so good

>>144253568
I haven't seen nay difficulty slider other than setting enemies to be fast and add dinosaurs into the game. So if there's some hidden difficulty options tucked away somewhere please drop them on me so I can finally have fun again

>>144253171
do you even need any str with a 52 base damage weapon?

>>144253987
you could up the evolution rate, you could use mobs

>>144254020
Since STR is now a pretty big multiplier, yes, even moreso than normal since the maul has such a big damage dice

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>>144253674
It fits the glyph well.

>>144254020
strength is a multiplier

every 10 strength is about +25% to the base damage, and it stacks multiplicatively with the bonuses from skills

>>144253185
does this mean it is a wizard mode thing? or just super autistic abyss type thing

>>144254243
>that message
top kek

>>144254460
zigs probably

>>144253171
>he reached the cap of +1102.5% damage of stab

Imagine how much more !!! it would've achieved with some more STR.
Hell, even Might would've added a lot of damage.

>>144254460
autism

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alright fegs, what do i waste an aquirement on

>>144254884
Wands.

>>144254884
can you acquire a better god

>>144254958
Not until i find the last two junk wands
>>144254961
That depends, how bad is Fedhas's wrath?

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>>144254884
>using amulet with confuse

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>>144255136
>how bad is FEdhas' wrath?
no idea

pic unrelated, Qs always unrelated, I mean what the fuck is a Quylthulg I mean seriously

>>144254636
i think he rolled really poorly there

remember that it isn't 52 damage +1100% buta it's actually 1d52

there are also multipliers from fighting and weapon skill, and with shortblades or boots of ass up to +30 slaying bonus before the multiplier, so if he rolls perfectly that stab could do up to 2890 damage, which would give you 9 or 10 exclamation points

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I recalled into the stronghold's bottom floor and got a warm welcome by a bunch of magic mushrooms

How do I stop being a snotling?

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always
aquire
brmor

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>>144255354
Qulythulgs are great.

>>144255740
Oh, it wore off. That's a relief

>>144255740
press R

if it's in brackets like that it's a temporary status, although certain things (mostly chaos damage) can permanently change your race

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>Maud the Forgotten comes into view.
>She is wielding a battleaxe of distortion.

>>144256449
Cast Linley's Greater Jog

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D R A G O N
R
A
G
O
N

>>144256909
can you ride it yet

and give it headpats :3

>>144255354
>I mean what the fuck is a Quylthulg I mean seriously

Lore says that one of the devs of the original Angband fell asleep on his keyboard to find that word on his screen. Being German, he thought it was hilarious and added the monster into the game.

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>>144257271
Sadly, no. I think you have to be a really high level for dragons.

>>144257547
queujemam

asiernmapal

fanjakool

You're welcome roguelike devs

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>>144257547

Is 0.19 trunk in dcss worth coming back for? I played from 0.12-0.16 stable. Has everything been REMOVED yet? How are all the new gods?

>>144259997
All the new gods are good. Managing LoS is much more important in postend, and the mid/end of a 3 rune is much harder. Nothing super important has been removed without it being replaced in some way, barring some more broken stuff. 2Pak and Hep B are both really fun, and apparently dancer god is really good too. Ru is good too if you haven't used him at all.

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This is like the third gnoll patrol on this floor.

>>144261164
free expeee

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well, i got my ant win before they get butchered by the devs.

>>144261164
RIP UND TEAR

Weaponmaster[bows] with piercing shot is like the most tab-friendly pcb character ever.

Right up until your arrow penetrates into the darkness and a dracolisk vomits nether on you.

>>144256909
of course that means the xp goes mostly to the dragon and not to you
it will eventually level up (though putting it in a poke ball resets it which is bad because it forgets the xp it had before captureballing)

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>>144262147
>(though putting it in a poke ball resets it which is bad because it forgets the xp it had before captureballing)
Fuck.

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And so the draconian returned to the surface. He had learned all he could in the dungeon, and now looked upward to continue his destiny towards godhood.

>>144262596
Its really amusing to me that you managed to do 7 zigs and you STILL managed to 15 rune faster than one of my normal 15 rune runs. Congrats man, I'm glad that you got to dark maul stab something.

>>144261390
>>144262596
can you people stop ascending it's very triggering

>>144262950
don't worry, you have at least 3 days before i ascend again with the way i play.

>>144262950
Don't ascend shame. It was very brave that he even shared his ascension with us because people like YOU try to ascend shame. Check your roguelike privilege.

>>144262596
>No special title for having 27 in everything
it's shite

>>144261164
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

>>144262845
haha, thanks! They make it really fast to do zigs turncount wise when they give you a zig portal at the end of the zig.

And that dark maul stab was really underwhelming, I remember seeing a picture of someone getting a darkmaul stab and getting like 20 !'s, my best was 9 !'s, even with 23 STR.

I mean, if I stab with a dagger and all relevant skill maxxed, it should do hundreds of damage on a stab, right? Well if a dagger is base damage 4 and the dark maul is base damage 52, then it should do 13 times the damage, over 2000 damage. Is that represented by only 9 !'s? I don't know. I'm starting to think that picture was a little doctored in some way.

>>144263315
yeah, best I got was 'You feel omnipotent' from quaffing XP

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>>144263758
>9 !'s = 2000
>20 !'s = over 4000
Overkill.

>>144264036
well those numbers are really rough, I don't know the actual damages regular dagger stabs can do. Can you 1-hit stab Antaeus, who has 750 HP? If daggers do 1100% damage on a maximum stab, then that means it would have to do 750/11 = 68 damage before the stabbing multiplier. And 68 damage with a dagger in plain combat seems fucking bonkers. But then crawl is renowned for having convoluted formulas, and I'm not a code diver, so what the heck am I getting at. I dunno. Boots of the assassin aren't as fun as they should be.

>>144264809
oh sorry, it's +1100% damage, so really a multiplier of 1200%, but not really a big difference. Still makes me scratch my head.

>>144264809
They are with executioners axe cleave stabs

>>144265009
hoping for cleaving reaching scythe stabs some day

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>a kobold WITH A SHIELD
This is more amusing to me than it should be.

>>144265493
Wait. How far out do the ring of guys camping V:5 stand? They probably stand too far from the stairs, but how hilarious would that shit be if you could get a reachcleavestab on all or most of them at the same time right after coming down?

>>144265532
>the kolbold's shield prevents it from hitting you with it's short sword of distortion

>>144265493
When you draw the cleave card, does that cleave work with the reach on a polearm?

>>144254114
>mobs
I can understand playing the first couple of games with mobs turned off, but C:DDA just doesn't feel right without them. Going through a town should be a matter of smash and grab, moving quickly and grabbing whatever supplies you can while staying ahead of the horde, not clearing out zombies and creating ghost towns.

>>144253101
>super small cities
Turn on mobs, turn city size up to about 5-6. Spawn in the middle of town. Let the fun begin.

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Guess I'm gonna take a break from splatting MuMos.
And what's a better way to do it but retrying another fine challenge I tried to do: one-stabbing every unique I find.
One hit. One kill.

My final mission will be one-hitting Antaeus. It's my time to kill. And it's my time to die.

>>144267483
>not using caltrops
>not having a war of attrition with the undead, where even killing and smashing 1 zombie is a success
>not eventually clearing the whole town, and processing it into raw material for the next trench war
Ghost town is best town.

>>144267516
with the bottom end of uncannily stealthy, you have about a 10% chance of waking antaeus every turn you're in his LOS, not considering all the high HD ice fiends around him in his room, and the dozens of monsters you have to get by to even get into his room.

I hope you do get the stab, but I fear your chances of getting it are pretty slim.

Maybe you'd have better luck in a version that has both control tele and dithmenos.

>>144263758
again, crawl damage is rng as fuck

it's 1d52 and you rolled a 4 or something

>>144264036
this is wrong, it's exponential

if 9 ! is 2000 then 10 ! is 4000

probably they were just using the joke lang that replaces all . with ! and all ! with !!!

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DEMON WIN FAGGOTS

>>144264809
short blades get up to +30 slaying for stabbing purposes depending on dex and skills, so a +0 dagger can easily do 300+ damage.

Antaeus has between 400 and 900 hp, so if he's at the lower end it's totally possible to oneshot him with a dagger.

>>144268094
I just need Dith's "pshhhhhhhhhh nothing personnel... kid" ability to try it.

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I didn't know that could happen.

>>144268457
Oh, congratulations!
Dat gandayah. What abilities did you give it?

>>144268673
He had lifegiver (reduces the cost of healing abilities by 5 SP), calm+cleanse+absolution (status removal), healing charm+mending (healing), tireless+vigorous (SP boosts)
Gandayah is my nigga

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>these bright as hell gloves
>this flaming scim
>my lantern
I light around 6 squares ahead of me.

>>144269163
Ah, that sounds great, especially if it was with you since the beginning, or at least one of the first few floors. On my best run so far I only managed to clear most of Tower:6 and I died in my first encounter in Anomaly.

>artifact filthy rag on stronghold:2
I didn't know this was even possible.

>>144269979
Yeah, I also thought they were completely useless items until I found one of elemental protection that I used for a little while.

>>144269867
Yea, I started with a fairy and then quickly merged it with the gandayah, which gave lifegiver and regeneration.

Anomaly ain't nothing to fuck with. Literally run away and never come back if you run into ranged attackers there.
Also Demon early game is generally pretty hard until your party starts getting decked out with abilities and stuff. It also weeds out some of the weaker builds

>Harold growns "My family..." before dying.
I have not seen him do that before. Also, I decided to check his trident and it was -3. Heh.

>>144271083
Harold says some sad shit when he dies.

>>144269558
if you were a psion you could just be casting clairvoyance by now and lighting the whole dungeon level

psions are pretty cool

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This was actually sort of hard and tedious. First, there was the king of the mad bears on this level so I had to quaff speed+hero+berserk to kick his ass. I kept getting confused and hallucinated by looking at Sathla so I had to cure crit and tele away. Finally, we met in this corridor and he (it?) didn't get that confuse+hallucinate shit off so I quaffed hero+speed (I had no more berserk left) and cut it up until I was low life so I phased away and quaffed the shit out of my cure crits and luckily I had some heavily enchanted arrows so I shaved of a star or two before finally killing it in melee. I'll probably attempt shelob after this. Also my white dragon got stolen by some invisible thief so may he rest in piece.

>>144272451
ubbo takes extra damage from fire so that's the easiest way to cheese it

>>144273437
I mean i'm pretty sure a regular ol' level 25 warrior is still hitting harder than whatever kind of mage using fire spells, and his melee is *definitely* more damaging than whatever devices he can find at that point.

I guess it's nice if you find a fire-branded weapon or you play a swordmaster/mystic/samurai with a fire-brand spell.

>>144273437
Yeah that thing was around 10 levels higher than me and I managed to kill it with my well scimitar. Reminds me of the scimitar of flaming death from DCSS.

speaking of mystics

i was reallly disappointed when i found out that most of their class powers are just "do a melee blow, but with an elemental brand!"
they can also summon spiders i guess

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The Tengu and death sword quest is so cheesy.

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Apparently Q isn't actually evil, so coming prepared with a staff of detect evil results in a miserable experience.

>>144273801
yeah I meant that he's fairly likely to have found some flaming weapon(s) by now and it's worth not selling one of them until ubbo's dead

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So like, I'm playing Elona and I've been playing for a little while now. I just don't know what to do really I guess, do I just try and do the main quest now? I can barely fight anything on my own, I do no damage and seem to take a disgusting amount from anything bigger than a putit. Meanwhile my little girl does 35 - 50 each strike easily and seems to never take any damage.

Also I want to start a ranch but I can't find any monsterballs so I'm kinda getting bored.

>>144274985
well the problem is finding flaming weapons with good dice

a flaming dagger doesn't exactly do much because it's only multiplying 1d6

>>144255852
It looks like a giant prolapse.

>>144255852
Hey, I own that book.
I and III are better though.

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>>144275304
Well if you find a dagger with a brand on it I'm pretty sure it's going to be enchanted quite heavily so it's not going to be total shit.

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>>144274638
They're mindless too, I was that melee red dragon player if you remember me and early on I couldn't find thugs with detect ferocity so they were a pretty big pain in the ass to actually kill.

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Arena makes this game a whole lot easier, especially with acid ball for dealing a ton early on and drain life on otherwise hard monsters to make them effortless.

>>144276118
Scroll of *Garbage*
Literally the only thing I've ever found it useful on is arrows.

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>>144276889
It's something though.

>>144275207
I haven't played Elona in a while, but I feel like you're not exploiting your pet cooking you breakfast enough.

>>144277212
My Little Girl can't cook and I don't have any other pets at the moment and I don't think I can get one that can cook super easily- Especially without the ability to get any monsterballs.

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>dash all the way to 555
>read scroll of acquirement
>get this baby
>spam tele to get safe so i can world map
>run all the way back to angwil

>>144278089
I also managed to kill an ancient white for this nice chain mail even though the thing tore my potions apart and left me with ~100 hit points.

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>>144278289
Forgot my picture.

Im new to this, i just downloaded dungeon crawl and i did the tutorial, but when i have to leave the dungeon and press Y the message keeps spamming saying if i want to leave the dungeon, and when i finally press N it says "alright then stay" im doing something wrong?

>>144278953
when it asks if you wana leave the dungeon type out 'yes' and press enter,.

>>144278076
Get gene engineering and graft some slaves onto her in that one really seedy town. One of the types has cooking and you can get a bunch of the other useful gathering skills onto her as well.

>>144279112
It doesnt work

>>144279640
try alt+f4

>>144279640
Try ctrl-q yes

>>144278953
Try shift+y.

>>144279825
thanks

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Shelob is dead. A little annoying since she spammed her breath attack on which hits for a lot but that's fine because I spammed drain life on her to heal me. She also died in 5 hits.

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She also dropped this scroll of acquirement so I guess I know where I'm going next.

>>144281058
555

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>>144281292
YES

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It could've been worse.

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>>144281998
Actually it's pretty great so let's kill Pendragon next.

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The time has come!

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>can't browse any of them
What the fuck man. What do I take? Ambidexterity? I do plan on using meph gloves though so that would be useless as one anon tells me.

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I'm still here you guys.
pls respond

>>144283215
Cult of personality.

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>>144283479
What does it do?

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>>144283520
Makes you devilishly handsome. Enemy summons have a chance to be friendly.

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>>144283646
Well I finally found their descriptions. Cult of personality sounds like shit, does serpent and unique really summon that many enemies?

>>144283949
Fucking everything summons later. Literally everything.

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>>144283646
>>144283949
Also my charisma is pretty low (only 9). Loremaster, demonic grasp, and fast learner look pretty good.

>>144284094
grasp is really good too. Enemies tend to look like "It summons aids. It may fire a rocket, touch of doom or invoke mana storms. It touches to drain charges", so anything that helps you mitigate that stuff is good.

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>>144284296
I'll take cult then. Do I just pump charisma from now on?

>>144284649
You'll probably find enough stat potions to make it not shit. You're going to hit the wall soon. Pump STR/DEX/CON as usual.

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>>144284782
Okay, thanks anon.

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this nigger killed my kasha
and now I killed HIM
FUCK YOU

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RIP

>>144285115
>>144285563
>mask of zot
I'm liking it.

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>CoP

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Rest in piss.

>>144278089
That's a nearly ideal ranged weapon.
Only thing better would be an artifact with multiplier boosting AND shooting speed increase.

My archer is stuck with a (+14, +13) Shortbow (x3) (+5) (-Dx;Xs). The extra shots are lovely, but losing 5 dex is always annoying.

>>144286568
Bring digging next time esse.

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CHECK YOURSELF BEFORE YOU WRECK YOURSELF

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>boots of speed
>ring of speed
>ninjato (Armageddon)
Smaug is next on our death list.

>>144291064
I love the little goblin on the right just 'mirin.

>>144291314
What class/race?

>>144291064
I'd be his Luthien to be honest.

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>>144291448
Human warrior and I had you guys help me out with some tips so I really appreciate that. /rlg/ is the best and most helpful general along with being the comfiest.

>>144291352
He's not miring, he's thinking >>144291475

>>144291558
Good speed for XL32.

>>144291748
Yeah I was really happy that I ran into those items.

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holy FUCK
he's even blocking my path to the exit

>>144291352
>>144291475
>You will never be his Luthien
>You will never be the meat on his menu
>He will never smash and mash your taters before sticking them in a stew
>He will never fly you like a fool
>You will never be his precious
Why live?

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DEMON WIN FAGGOTS

>>144268457
>>144293238
Jesus anon slow down
Good job tho

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>Mutation roulette

>>144293635
DsCK is love, DsCK is life.
Too bad your inherent muts are kinda meh.

>>144293635
>you evolve
har dee har
>>144294028
Spirit shield is pretty good for non-spellcasters, and the rF from the scales is also useful

>>144294224
Demonic guardian is the one that passively summons demons, not the spirit shield.

I also forgot what the rot resistance one becomes.

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>>144293635
>mutation resistance 3

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Dead in 4 hits, the easiest one so far.

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>friendly chameleons

>check tavern
>mumo thread
>tasonir shitposting about how he can just keep the spirit by "playing it like a Mo" while wearing armor and worshiping a god
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20107

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>>144259997
Well this is my second run after splatting around D:10, it's going pretty good. It feels like there's been a lot of quality of life changes which are nice, but a lot of things feel gone. I'll have to remember OPTIMAL PLAY before I can give magic another go though. How much evocations before I should use disk of storms? I have an rElec artifact ring lying around.

>>144282895
>I do plan on using meph gloves though so that would be useless as one anon tells me.
It's my understanding that planning on a pretty rare artifact that you probably won't get til you're at or near level 50, if it drops at all, is not the best idea.

>>144295845
What a faggot.

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So this was the result of messing around in 555 for around 20 minutes. I got a very nice pair of artifact dragon wings (of the fairy!), some awesome gloves of slaying, and this katana which I plan to use with my Armageddon ninjato. I think I might actually ascend with this and it will be my first ever.
>>144296037
Forgot to mention genji gloves too.

>>144296878
Getting to level 50 in PCB is less than half of it.

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>>144297013
What's the other half? Just clearing dungeons? Seems easy enough. I'm about to go kill Smaug, I couldn't head to lonely mountain before to do the deed since I had no levitation so I went to chameleon cave and then 555 and lucked out and got these wings. What should I clear after this? Or should I just grind?

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Oh, you spiteful little turd.

>>144247249

>CataclysmDDA

This game's developers are annoying. So much pointless fluff is added while the dynamics remain extremely unbalanced. I really want to enjoy this game, it's just not challenging. And when it is challenging its never in a fun way.

>>144297124
Getting enough supplies to take on the serpent and taking out his strongest potential summons.

Pasta has a bunch of suggestions on what to do after you're done the early game.