/rlg/ - Roguelike General

ohio awoo ganbatte

>>143824909
>those defenses
Dude.

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>>143825395
HUMAN PRIDE

DUNGEON WIDE

cursed blood races get out!

>>143825427
Who needs EV anyway?

>>143824606
>if he's not gonna use a two hander play a good race like human

I think that 2handers + shields is almost a trivial aspect of formicids, they'd still be very easy wins if they didn't have that.

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>>143825427
>>143825542
CPA with -5 str does this to even the best of ants.

pls no die

>>143828627
I'll splat if I want to!

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just got a acquirement scroll, not sure what to get, or to save it for later. i'm thinking either jewelry or wands, but afraid i'd be massively disappointed with a ring of tele or a wand of digging.

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>>143825395
>ohio awoo

>>143829734
jewelry is generally a terrible option if you're not Op

wands are good, misc can be good if you have decent evo, and if your spellcasting skills are all 0 staffs has about an 80% chance to give a rod

>>143829734
Jewelry is pretty bad until you have the base types identified.

>>143829938
i got a vamp sword why the hell would i want a rod right now?
>>143829942
i might wait till i got more base types then, since i'm really hurting for something good in those slots.

>need to be not-good alignment to summon demons
>killing all the evil/undead/whatever monsters raises your alignment
Sure wish I could actually use summon manes!

At least I've upgraded from magic missile to this crap randart whip that does all of 29 average damage and trashes my device skill. But it has vampirism so it's still OP.

>>143830176
I would go wand. You have a substantial chance of getting heal wounds or hasting, which are both amazing.
Jewelry will try to give you base types you don't have yet and, well, there's a lot of base types.

Don't do it! Don't fight her! Just walk away man.

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Goddamit, Wiglaf. Where the fuck did you got this equipment?!

>>143830482
>hasting
>

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>>143830482
i already have hasting.

ps. I'm a ant.

>>143825138
Do you know Sky Rogue ?

>>143831647
time to wish for a bob and have a hasted primal oxbat solo zot5 for you

>>143832343
zot's not gona be a problem, more trying to see what I can get to help with hell and such, bob would be nice though.

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good news guys, finally got my ev back up to double digits, all it took was the xp equivalent of both lair branches and the rest of the dungeon going into dodging.

New PosChengband video:
https://youtu.be/ilHRamBhQPE

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This random teleport will surely be useful!

>>143836851
>[worried laughter]

How are demon whips compared to morningstars?

>>143837454
Strictly better.

>>143837575
it's a blowgun

>>143837454
you want an eveningstar my man

>>143838006
I don't have one, which is why I specified morningstars.

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>first time trying Gozag
>bribe in Vaults 5
>a Titan allies himself with me

>>143839670
should have bribed zot

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>these helms
Lucky personality is great.

>>143839738
>he can't afford multiple bribes

>>143839856
>tfw you blew all your money on shops

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ok, how are these compared to boots of running? i mean I'm pretty sure running's better but i haven't had many games where I got running.

>>143840535
Running's better.

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>>143839670
Me and my V:5 crew.
Having a fire giant makes things... interesting, to say the least.
Thank goodness for rF++.

>>143839795
>not playing a hydra to wear all your helms
Is lucky still worth it on those weird slot races that have a harder time making up for the lower stats with equipment?

>>143840535
Running is literally worthless unless you're on like d:4 and have no other escape options.

whatever slaying +6 str gives > gaining a square every ten moves

@143841363
>the new thing
>new

>>143841363
MuMo was ruined the moment it was "won"
Remember the shitstorm that ensued?

@143841614
we were only doing it ironically back then

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i don't care if it was dumb, cloning Mara was therapeutic.

>>143841752
People have been taking MuMo seriously since day one. Such is the power of autism.

Swapping on health regen amulets was absolutely mandotory if you actually wanted to do extended without TSO/Makhleb

New Mumo rules:
All artefacts are banned unless they are terrible and make it more likely for you to lose

>>143841712
One guy yelling at his computer screen that the dude's win is invalidated because he forgot to drop his starting robe on D1 and did so in D3 was fun until it became obvious he wasn't joking. Even dicks made the invisible robe of rage as a joke for how angry they were, as a joke.
Too bad autists can't get jokes.
It only went downhill from there.

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So is it normal for the inventory in mpa-PCB to only go up to y or is there something wrong?
This is still 4.0.1 by the way.

>>143842137
Well if the game actually supported conducts then indeed the win using the robe wouldnt have counted

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New MuMo rules: Have fun. If you're not having fun, it doesn't count.

>>143842196
yeah mpa-pcb reduced inventory size by 1 in exchange for giving everyone a free stone of lore at level 25

We should ban rF from Mumo to make it truly hardcore

>>143842419
but it's in crawl
those rules are impossible

how about a completely naked mumo
only rings and maybe amulets allowed

>>143842639
so a felid?

What if we make MuMo like Lord of Darkness III
Change the runes to all pan and hell runes and no lair/orc/vaults allowed

What if the rules were fine

>>143842497
Sounds good to me.

>>143843153
They obviously arent otherwise people would stop having to ask for clarifications about them while getting different answers

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>remove 3 cards
>since there aren't enough cards in it anymore, remove deck of wonders
>since deck of wonders is gone, remove deccks of summoning changes and defence

How the hell do you kill basalisks in PCB? I've been faulted for the last goddamn time.

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Getting to level 25 in mpa-PCB gives the message "You have evolved into a Stone of Lore."

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Here we are,
Born to be Pharaohs
We're the princes of all /rlg/,
Here we belong,
Fighting to survive in a war with the dankest shitpost,

And here we are,
We're the princes of the /rlg/,
Here we belong,
Fighting for survival,
We've come to be the rulers of the thread,

I am immortal,
I have inside me blood of gods,
I have no rival,
No foo can be my equal,
Take me to the end of your branch,

Born to be pharaohs,
Princes of all /rlg/,
Fighting and UC,
Got your Rune in my hand,
I'm here for your xp and I'll make my stand,
We were born to be princes of all /rlg/,

No man could understand.
My power is in my own FIST,
Ooh, ooh, ooh, people shittalk about you,
People say you've broke your rules.

I'm a mummy, mummy that will go far,
fist the moon troll, grab all the runes,
With my bandaged hands held high,
Got to clear the lair first time, yeah.

I know that people shitpost about me
I hear it every day,
But I can prove you wrong
'cause I'm having fun,

>>143843879
you really can't make this shit up
jesus christ
decks used to be the most interesting part of crawl

I got to the end of Lair as a SpEn and I feel weak as fuck, what gives?

I dipped into Shoals to see what was good and I get rekt by everyone

>>143843879
>here, we've removed this thing
>since we removed thing, we gotta cut thing yoo
>oh and thing really has to go.
Pottery
>>143844162
Apply fist

>>143844162
killing shit in pcb isn't exactly complicated

just dont fight them if you don't have the resists for your breath

basilisks breathe poison and greater basilisks have nether and i think one other element (disenchantment?)

>>143843879
I'm starting to think it's a contest, like, the devs are taking turns justifying removing things from crawl systematically and sometimes adding stuff on top to cover it up, until the whole thing falls and crumbles to dust. Kinda like Jenga

oh yeah they also removed salamander stormcallers

>>143844834
Theyre trying to turn it into a linesprint tabfast

>>143844890
por que

>>143844890
Good fuck stormcallers

>>143844739
Darkness.
Also you need Free Action since they paralyse you.

So which of the 3 decks left has the summoning cards

>>143845179
decks of war are a mix of 50/50 summonings/battle

>nemelex was always about decks of summoning
>after a million reworks they finally removed them

>>143846013
nemelex hasn't gifted decks of summoning for a while

they were OP so they mixed them with decks of battle to create decks of war

so now you get a 50% chance to get a useful card (summoning), a 45% chance to get a worthless Battle card, and a 5% chance to get Elixir

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Gozag fucking OP.

>>143846684
>depriving yourself of precious xp

>>143847438
Nigga....

>>143846684
>[Hand rubbing intensifies]

>>143846684
>Friendly OoF
>Neutral OoF
>That draconian getting fucked by his bros
Nice.

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>>143846684
And that's a winner. 5 runes.
Special thanks to the rF+++ helm I found to keep my poor flammable ass from getting burned. Plus the +8 flame flail that carried me through the early game.

>>143847957
>ascended with 16864 shekels and the orb of zot
Mu of Gozag is just so damned optimal.

>>143848376
Not having to shell out for food shops is definitely nice. I also found means you effectively get an "extra" shop offered every time you set one up, since the otherwise mandatory food shop offering doesn't appear.
The downside is, well, you have to be a Mu, with all the wonderful aptitudes that brings with it.

>>143848551
Mummies have average aptitudes. THey're basically humans that don't need to eat

>>143847957
Nice job man. How'd you like MuFi^Gozag?

>>143848634
>-2 across the board
>average

>>143848634
>Mu
>Average apts
They're pretty shit, anon. Mu are definitely the most fun race though.

>>143848703
>>143848742
They also gain exp terribly slow, making it even worse

>>143848634
Straight -2s is not average.
Oh yeah, and Gozag lets mummies get potion effects that are otherwise impossible.

>>143848662
Gl actually. I can't live without those damn nets in the early game.
It was pretty interesting, being my first Mu win and my first Gozag win. Potion petition really helped out in some tight situations and Bribe is goddamn broken-tier.
Honestly the shops probably made the least impact of all, although still nice.

Also new Elf is hell, who the fuck thought those elementalists were a good idea?
>hurr some players abuse killholes so we'll just completely fuck over everyone

>>143848914
the key now is to make like 10 killholes
So if one gets blown up you go to the second

>>143848914
Gl is a great mummy start too, since you don't really want to use your starting shield right off the bat. For elf, you just didn't dig enough killholes. Those new guys still fall to a 3 or 4 path killhole.

>>143849282
>Those new guys still fall to a 3 or 4 path killhole.
How? Every single turn they obliterated all the walls around me and made like 6 more elementals.

>>143849378
You let your initial killhole get wrecked and break LoS to lure them into the second bend. However, a better way to kill them is by throwing a stone and closing a door to break LoS or break LoS with the unbreakable stone walls of the vault.

>>143849624
Actually that kinda makes me wonder why their solution to killholing was to make the horseshit elementalists (that just enforce killholing harder somehow) instead of just making the damn walls out of stone or something.

>>143849827
They'd actually have to address killholing as a strategy, which is problematic because of how crawl reallly works. They'd probably have to throw less enemies at you, more dangerous enemies that don't kill you just by being in LoS (IE no damnation or torment since the only way to mitigate it IS with LoS shenanigans that digging facilitates) rather than mobs of easy fodder and rework formicids altogther. Its a slapshod solution to a large problem, although I think a better solution is just to give elementalists, sorcerers, and annihilators a ray of digging or LRD. Perhaps the destructive ray that eyes have. That fuckboy who was talking about removing wands of digging was an idiot because he thought it influences the ascent, when the real problem is that it does very REAL work at killing most of the dungeon and makes a fool out of pandemonium. They'd actually have to come up with a new postend that doesn't rely on the crutch that is enemies that kill or ruin you just by being in LoS, and maybe a postend that isn't completely reliant on haste.

>>143850332
Solution: more custom hell/pan vaults with steel/crystal walls.

>>143850580
Killholes are actually pretty shit in most of the hells. Completely useless in Dis for example. There are some amount of pans with crystal/stone walls (like disco pan!), but I think just throwing more undiggable walls is just the same as the elementalists. If they truly want to address it, they need to make it less viable rather than making it harder to accomplish.

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>>143850332
>crawl with smaller maps with less numerous, more dangerous enemies who give more XP
>remove more egregious LOS Cancer
>maybe XP for pressing > too

>>143848914
can't you draw the potion/fortitude/helm/elixir/alchemist/velocity to get similar or better buffs than gozag's potion petition?

>>143850897
I always thought exp on LoS would be a really nice change to crawl. Like 20% of the total exp value on sight, 80 for when you kill it.

>>143851720
you mean 50%
and then the exp you earn on sight and on kill is base seen/kill exp/number of times you've seen/killed that enemy

>>143851416
I dunno, Gozag can hand out some pretty nice potion sets.
Like HW/haste/might/agi all at once.

>>143851896
That's just Silly.

>>143851896
I don't think Sil's system would work for crawl.

Why doesn't anyone play Sil tho

How to fix elf
Its now called giant
The loot vault is filled to the brim with juggernauts and iron giants

>>143852097
Already played it to death.

>>143852125
Considering the usual loot, an exp piñata would be much better

>>143852097
Plenty of people play Sil.
Most people play different games in cycles though, and just nobody is playing Sil right now.

>>143852125
>WE'LL TAKE DIS
>AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE
Not going to lie though, I'd never go back to elf. You'd be free to remove it since no one tries to go there anymore. I see through your posts like open doors, crawl dev.

>>143852285
Most good players already skip elf anyway because the requirements and risks dont outweight the possible loot unless you are desperate for a specific spell

No wait
guys
wait
get this
what if instead of destroying walls and creating elementals
they create walls, possibly stone/metal/crystal, and lock you inside your own kill hole
this way they kill your killhole, and also force you to waste charges of your digging/disint to get out, and if you try to make a permanent kill hole by making use of natural stone/metal/crystal walls you end up getting sealed in and have to tele out

Elf should randomly replace vaults just like the lair branches

>>143852575
That is scummy and degenerate because it could be abused by formicids

>>143852694
How? If you're a Formicid you'll just end up permanently trapped and starve unless you have necromutation

>>143852694
Its fine, formicids are losing digging anyway because it doesnt go well with their brute force melee designs

>>143852727
They create crystal walls where the empty space should be
which means that they can literally moonwalk away by digging the rock behind them

How about monster stone arrow and lcs get buffed the more wall tiles are around yourself
30% increased damage per tile and if its more than 3 then it always hits

>>143852821
You can already moonwalk away by just zig-digging in general tho

>>143852989
that gets you hit by enemies

>>143852975
wew lad I think we have a winner
also make them bounce off of walls, and make them cast it out of LOS, so they can bounce it into your killhole

>>143852771
doesn't digging killholes go perfectly with their brute force design?

>>143852575
>>143852975

>its already been pointed out earlier in the thread that the issue with killholing is systemic to the way crawl encounters work mechanically and that elementalists are just treating the symptom rather than the cause
>/rlg/ posts a bunch of bandagework "solutions" which work just as poorly or worse than elementalists

We'll make crawl devs out of you yet.

>>143853326
Oh anon, they're just having fun. Its pretty amusing to think of all these silly solutions and how a character would have to deal with them.

Who is the best god, and why is it Ashenzari?

>>143853326
What if they make Deep Elf Death Mages cast only that Lost Soul spell, and make them cast it even when you're not in their LOS, and monsters can get Lost Soul revived over and over and over unless you take care of that Death Mage

What if you got a slaying malus if you stayed in killholes for too long because your character gets a wall phobia

>>143853517
My man. Chei used to be my favorite, but i can't play so well with him anymore. As I play more, I find myself going back to Ashen more and more. She is my first ascension god and most beloved.


>>143853545
Doom guy class when

>>143853545
Isn't this how it used to work, bar them casting it out of LOS?
>>143853579
>Claustrophobia (-4)
FUND IT.

>>143853545
Do you get exp when you kill something which is then replaced by a lost soul? Because if so fuck yes

How about elf:3 shows the corrupted nature of the elves and has been partially invaded by the abyss causing the walls to change all the time

What if Elf alternated 50% of the time with Dwarf?

>>143853942
they removed all dwarf enemies

>>143853967
better remove Elf since we can't fix it then

>>143853967
So add them back in.
Dwarven Firstborn, Diggers, Runesmiths, Forge Priests, Shieldbearers, Sharpeyes. Runic Golems and of course dancing weapons.
Throwing in some C and E too.

Necromutation is the new rMut

but since they removed amulets of clarity Necromutation is also the new ctrl q

therefore if you don't want mutations and you don't want to play jiyva/zin then you better ctrl q

>>143853942
>>143853967
>Its 1 floor
>Corpses of elves all around
>Wiglaf at the center, wielding the obsidian axe, shield of ignorance and a heavily enchanted CPA

>>143854718
But wiglaf is going to remove anon because he is still a mountain dwarf

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>>143854824
>elf detected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvJsG4F2Img

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This is the deepest I've ever got with a magical char.

What should I skill now? I've got so many books, I can learn most of the spells of te game, except necromutation and some traslocation ones like passage and Cblink. Should I still bother with fighting?

Also I've got a brand weapon scroll, should I use it on my +9 demon trident of venom? It has done wonders so far, and I also have ignite poison so I wasn't sure if changing it would have been a good idea.

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>>143855106
Also skill screen.

>>143855175
aw shit, I'm also a pale draconian of sif muna. Steam breath is the best right?

>>143855243
Yes.

>Melee dude
>Breath steam
>Hide far away and blast him
>Ranged dude
>Breath steam
>He has to get close where he doesn't shine and you can easily blast

At first when I became pale I was disappointed, now I think that I won't be able to play any other draconian.

>>143855106
>>143855175
Your character is looking really good. That should be enough fighting for quite a while since you have a massive HP pool. You also have a really great spell set for dealing with most of the threats in the dungeon. If you can, post dump with books in your inventory so we can see what spells you can potentially learn and advise about defenses and other stuff. Otheriwse, you're looking pretty rock solid.

>>143855175
where ur buckler at

I wish the Infra Arcana wiki/boards weren't deleted. The new website where the DL is hosted has zero information on the game, and the readme/Tome doesn't explain a lot of weird shit or specific interactions (like if it's possible to unload firearms in your inventory, or if you have to drop them on the ground every time you want to unload them)

Game is fun as fuck elsewise though.

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>>143855448
I have 38 books here and there in the dungeon.

I have ALL the spells avaiable. The only ones I don't have books for are CBlink, passage of goluria and necromutation. Maybe also death's door.

>>143855472
There's a runed one in vaults, should I invest in bucklers? How much shields do I need again, 5? I never used a shield on any char.

>>143855630
Luckily the game is open source so literally all the information about it is available at https://github.com/martin-tornqvist/ia
Code diving for info is certainly not the most enjoyable thing though.

>>143855903

I have no idea how to do that. I'll just keep mucking around in game and hope for the best.

>>143855843
If you really do have ALL the spells, learn haste/regen/Dmissile and a cloud spell like freezing cloud or Pcloud. Forget magic dart and searing ray, possibly shroud if you aren't attentive in using it.

You should very certainly pickup a buckler if you're going to stick with the dtrident. How much EV do you have? How many pips of steatlh? I think its 5 for bucklers, very small investment for large returns at this point.

>>143856114
Bucklers are 2.4 (Tr/Fo/Na/Ce/Og)/4(most)/5.4(Ko/Ha)/7.2(Sp).

>>143856114
Yes I have those spells avaiable, I do have 0 in necromancy for regen tho.

Should I invest on charms till I have 1% on haste? Right now is on 21%. Also should I forget repel missiles for deflect, does it last forever untill it's broken like repel?

>>143856187
I might just as well pick it up then.

>>143856358
Bucklers are 100% worth it. The only reason not to is to 2-hand. But if you are a master caster, you probably don't want to 2-hand.

>>143856358
Haste is definitely fine at like 10%, although ideally you'll want it at 1% if you can. DMissile is much harder to break, and does a better job of deflecting shit. Obviously, it IS based on your EV so if your EV is shit, invest it further. Dmissile is fine at like 30%. Get regen to a decent spellpower, it really does make the difference in a drawn out battle. Low spellpower regen is like getting a free curing, high spellpower is like getting a free HW. A little necromancy goes a long way.

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Did Chris fix the Always small levels -option to work for all the dungeons in 4.0.2 or is it still broken?
Because it works in mpa-PCB 4.0.1 and it's great.

>>143856791
>fix
always_small and ironman_small not working on levels flagged as BIG was an intentional part of the code.
mpa scrapped the line which prevented this because it was stupid.

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>>143857024
>it's a feature

>>143857096
Here's the change in question. Literally all it does is remove the line which prevents always_small from working on DF1_BIG levels (i.e. Orc Caves, Giant's Hall).

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>>143857345
And of course I am cursed.

What is not clear about the rules?
Dicks only threw his fencer gloves at enemies because they gave slaying in his version, they're just overpowered EV gloves in later versions so they're allowed.

>>143856187
not in .18

>>143858478
What was changed?

>second floor
>FIVE STICKS OF DYNAMITE

Oh baby

Centaur and Naga bardings are getting merged

>>143859638
Fucking finally.

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Hostile UFO spotted! And it's full of themed monsters - in this case, every single monster in there has a fire-based attack!

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>>143844391

>>143860352
dont get farted on sexily

might explode

Jesus christ, Infra Arcana is so fucking hard and random.

Even with kiting and strategy, you get fucked raw 90% of the time.

>check whole map, there's a stuck door
>can't open it any other way than kicking it
>if you kick it open, enemy on the other side gets a free attack
>can literally be an entire chamber full of things that paralyze/blind/stun, or D5 enemies, on the second floor

I have no idea how the fuck I'm supposed to deal with this.

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Am I doing it right?

>>143862134
All those potentials should be Superb.

>>143862195
Are you implying I did it wrong? I have no idea what I'm doing so it's very possible, I only made sure learning and charisma were high, I wanna farm and buy/sell for lots.

Also it's Elona+ so it might be a change they made?

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>>143860856
Or it might ruin the nice items I keep finding, like this one! By the way, nobody can cheat as much at Sokoban as I do. If this continues, my luck will soon be at -13.

>>143842196
Did MPA change the way the labyrinth works as well?

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I forgot tree would cancel out my tele

how fucked am I?

>>143863198
pretty fucked

does your god let you do some kind swappy thing?
Can you swap Lernean Hydra for your ancestral Ghost?

If you can, maybe you can shit out as many summons as possible before it swims back to you

>>143863835
The only thing I can summon are butterflies

>>143862695
Yes, it's similar now to all other dungeons with no stupid darkness.

>>143864014
better sputterfly pretty fast, then

>>143864017
The fuck is the point then? Even by default you can just detect stairs and autotravel to them, why take away its main unique feature?

>>143864014
no scrolls of summoning or decks of cards?

decks of summoning are hilariously overpowered, you can summon a pan lord with 0 evo

>>143863198
no haste for yourself, then wand of frost/cold to make a freezing cloud over the water to slow Lerny? Kinda late now since you're almost dead, but it's something

definitely something to think about next time

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Fully cleared Eric's Stronghold.
Not sure why because it took so fucking long with all those summoners.
Killed like 7 other uniques besides Eric since they just kept getting summoned.

>>143865081
>decks of summoning
LOL SOMEBODY DIDNT TELL HIM

>>143865269
>wand of frost/cold
whats that

>>143866297
Th-they didn't get removed too, did they?

>>143866431
http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=4db263552158fb634bc7760c5c90c95b65f7bdde
Removes decks of summoning, changes and defense in favour of letting escape,

destruction and war generate at a normal rate.

>>143866384
jesus, they got rid of those too? Replaced them both with iceblast, which is just a cold fireball? Does it still make freezing cloud over water?

THERE IS NOTHING LEFT

I actually enjoy the new iceblast/acid, fire bolt cold bolt was bland

The damnation change is still the dumbest thing

is the rogue-lite general dead?

>>143866725
>the sphere of damnation explodes

>>143866754
Back from where they came

Their autism was too weak

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Reminder that the silmarils are power cores for Feanor's moon laser.

>ring of flames claims to block other clouds from spawning
>tornado claims to shuffle clouds around

yet every single fucking time a chaos crap spits chaos cloud at me I'm stuck in that shit

what the fuck where can a guy get some renewable cloud immunity jesus h christ

>>143869046
then I shoot of a fan of gales and I'm STILL standing in chaos

>>143869034
ima chargin ma valinor

Are 2 corrosion resist rings enough for slime pits?

>>143844657
Answer my question ree

>>143852474
>elf
>risky
I don't think so tim

>>143872454
>abyss:5
>tier 1 demons
>bad lcs rolls
>not risky

>>143872616
The only one of those which has any significance is bad lcs rolls. The rest are laughable unless you're going to elf with 0-2 pips of MR for some reason.

>>143854670
With high MR you can do ok without clarity. But yeah, they've switched out one "no brainer" for another

>>143871929
0 resist corrosion rings are enough for slime pits

>>143872616
If you go there with low MR and aren't yet ready for abyss then you earned the fault. If you're diligent about shouting and drawing out the elves slowly then you really won't have any problems.

>>143873709
If you can handle abyss:5 or have the MR then you dont need elf in the first place

>>143875085
There are other reasons to go to elf other than getting MR, anon.

>>143872141
Read the pasta and lurk more.

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>>143844657
>>143872141
Hey /rlg/, remember that time a guy posted a screenshot or a dump with his post so we knew what was happening in his game?

Haha what a guy!!

>>143844657
anon it's always so situational that it is not worth asking without giving much much much more complete info. >>143876075 this is the only correct response, besides ignoring you because your post was useless and REEEEEEtarded.

>watching nethack wizard player at d27
>They are running around killing things in mindflayer form very handily
>Suddenly
>The cockatrice misses. The cockatrice misses!
>You hit the cockatrice! Your tentacles suck the cockatrice.
>Do you want your possessions identified? [ynq]

ghahahafug

>>143876075
>>143876252
here's an idea faggot, why don't you stop acting like a bitch before I show up at your mom's basement and stick my size 7 combat boots down your throat

New player to crawl, can I throw shit like potions of degeneration and poison at enemies and have it affect them if it hits?

>>143877547
kek
>>143879324
Nope, there used to be a spell that allowed you to create clouds with those potions though. But they took it out because it was too cool

>>143879324
No.
It was bloat.

>>143879474
>>143879490
Now I don't feel bad for not trying it while a wyvern had me cornered

>>143879756
Rule of thumb is if it sounds like it would be fun, you probably cant do it in crawl

>>143880257
If nobody is having fun it's probably better just to cut fun altogether

PCB comes so close to a good necromancer experience in a roguelike, but ultimately it's tedious shit.

>>143880257
you can still turn into dragon, right

>>143880530
as was pointed out yesterday, a Truely Great Necromancer Roguelike Experience would basically need to be its own game to do it at a really great level.

>>143880653
Yes you can

>>143880653
shh They might hear you

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>>143880530
What in your opinion would need to be changed about PCB to make the necromancer experience optimally fun?
Well the endgame fucks everyone over of course but is there something different you were thinking?

>tfw I actually like lategame poschengband

>>143880973
Making the summoning exp penalty not so awful, probably.

Maybe android necromancer is good.

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>>143880764
NOT FOR LONG

>>143880973
I'd move cold touch to be your unarmed attack, like how Liches have it

Unfuck the exp penalty for summoning (aka the entire reason to be a necromancer)

I love Zin. Smiting nonbelievers left and right while reciting passages

>>143884426
I love Beogh. Smiting nonbelievers left and right while rolling with my homies.

>>143864925
because its main unique feature was bad

>>143885045
I love Beogh, but when one of your main orc bros who's been with you since lair dies it's heartbreaking

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>>143885164

>>143886203
wow I feel incredibly sad for a moment

>>143864925
the real reason is that he was going to make it instead just be low-vision like in the Dark Cave but it looked like a mild pain to do so instead he did this (at least for now).

>>143886203
RIP vampire bro

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>>143886203
F

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>>143886203
Rip

>>143887935
Joshua Wells does not understand how flowcharts work

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>>143886203

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>>143886203
;_;

give me a DCSS combo to play

no memes please ;-)

>>143891632
Random

>>143891632
Human wanderer

>>143891632
Vampire of Xom, a nice and agile race for the most swingy of gods

>>143891632
FoTm of Cheibriados

Branch into earth magic

become the impossible to eradicate pestulence of the dungeon, tunneling straight to the back of every single vault in the game, except for the orb of zot

>>143892412
you can shatter your way straight to the orb

>>143891632
>playing DCSS
you won't need our help with the memes, faggot

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>>143886203
Jesus...

>>143892554
Aren't the walls all the way around the lungs 'unnaturally hard rock?'

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>>143892571

>>143892692
Yea, around the lungs, but middle wall area inside the lungs which block a straight path to the orb are breakable, unless they removed that

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So... should I try to clear this place and get the rune, or should I gather more exp in Shoals/Elfs before trying to keep hoing here?

>>143893148
Wait you don't normally do the first few branches of each before tackling the end floors? Definitely do some of Shoals first

>>143893148
>Asterion, Jorgrun, Vashnia
holy shit abort
normally you'd be able to clear the floor easily at your stats/defenses but Jorgrun can instakill you if you get petrified and Vashnia will instakill you if you see her at all

>>143893280
>Wait you don't normally do the first few branches of each before tackling the end floors?

Never have seen the need to do it before. But now I guess you're right.

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Three screens south of Joppa
Shit's on fire
It wasn't me

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>>143894298
Yeah, that would explain the flames and stuff
I knew about the Flaming Hands mutation, but firethumbs are news to me...

Oh, shit. I died. Forgot water can override stairs.

I hate Shoals.

>>143894904
RIP.

>>143894484
Why is your AC so low?

>>143891632
FeBe.

It's actually good, if you just don't tablord everything like a memester but think 2 seconds if they can kill you or not.

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>>143894298
>>143894603
The new fungal biome is really pretty actually, pretty in a fallout meets alice in wonderland kinda way. There's like an equal chance that one of the shrooms can weep slime, honey or lava. Fun. Contagious as fuck, but fun. And colorful.

Does Spider form not give increased speed anymore? Since when?

What's a good way of dealing with mummy zig floors if you don't have necromut?

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>>143895527
because in order to have good resists and pump my naturally-low dex I am unable to wear my high-AC armors, plus probably some disenchantment, and not wielding a shield for damage and accuracy purposes.

>>143898054
statue form and shatter
TSO
spam controlled blink to the exits
die

The new ancestor god is really cool, but what sort of characters work well with him?
Like, there's so many better options for every possible character I can think of. Why go with standgod?

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PCB should change the black dragon's affinity to disintegration instead of acid, and the green dragon should get an acidic bite but a poisonous breath.

>>143897292
since like .14 or .15, they took away cling too, surprised they didn't take away immunity to webs as well

>>143899403
>PCB should change the black dragon's affinity to something it's impossible to resist
Solid idea.

>>143899602
That's upsetting.

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>>143899403

>>143899758
they took trample away from dragon form too

and ozocubo's armour and ice form synergy

and statue form and stonesking synergy

and they made statue form a little worse

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>>143899645
Add resistances of course.
>>143899773
It's like that in NetHack.

>>143900093
That is also upsetting.

>>143899403
also make water hounds breathe actual water instead of acid

>>143900093
And Ozocubo's armor makes you slow.

>>143900151
>adding another item to the resistance shuffle and devaluing the current danger of disint using enemies because muh other RL

>>143900343
>>143900221
and they made swiftness have a -swiftness period after the spell expires that slows you, so you can't stay permaswift and so that it is no longer optimal to cast swift everytime you go downstairs

>>143900349
>danger
>150 max damage

the only danger is destroying your killholes so their buddies can see you

>>143900532
>>143900343
It's sad to see how many things have changed since I've last played.
At least they've added a whole bunch of gods that look like they're neat to mess around with.

>>143900349
It just makes sense, when you think of black do you think of acid? Fuck no, you think of death.
>devaluing
Then why would you complain about not being able to resist its breath?

>>143897292
spider form gives 1.0 movespeed so it makes nagas faster and sp/ce/fe slower

>>143900641
The new god that gives you a JoJo stand is pretty fun because of all the positioning games you can play with it

>>143900668
I think of black dragons as acid because of dungeons and dragons

>>143900668
Black is acid in ADoM, as well.

That said, it'd be nice if poison wasn't so useless as a player element.

>>143900668
>Fuck no, you think of death.
And from there you jump to disint instead of nether? The thing which DEATH drakes breathe?

>>143900624
I thought it was higher than that. Still, you run into black dragons of various sorts much earlier than any of the current disint breathing enemies.

>>143900778
yeah, but it used to give you .8 movespeed

it was a godsend to transmuters that just joined chei

>>143900809
That seems to be the most interesting one of the new gods by far.

>>143900668
it's okay black doesn't always mean acid

sometimes acid is blue and black means shadow or disint or nether
and sometimes acid is brown, when it comes from earth elementals
except sometimes the brown earth thing is shards, like from earth _hounds_
but then at other times shards are yellow/white, like from crystal drakes

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Wew.

>>143904084
That's awesome.

>>143904084
>exec axe and shield while clearing spider

You lucky duck!

>>143904479
>the +8 executioner's axe "Dogye" (weapon) {elec, rN+ MP+9}
>(Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Swamp)
>the +3 shield of Wixyot (worn) {rPois rF++}
>(Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
Not to mention the nice battleaxes he gave me prior.
Okawaru has been extremely generous this game.

Found armour of the dragon king on D:5 as a human monk.
Should I wear it, even though it drops my evasion into the negatives (-1) and will most likely make all of my punches miss?

>>143905578
It let me kill Edmund because he was unable to damage me. Granted, it took a full minute of tabbing to kill him because of the armor preventing my punches from hitting, but he couldn't even dent me.
I'm wearing this.
It's mine now.

>>143905824
Good, you're going to trigger all the meme mailers

>>143905943
Let them be triggered. They can't hurt me, I'm wearing dragon king armour.

>>143905578
>monk
>GDA

pick one

>>143906192
I may have splatted, but I splatted gloriously. Live your life the way you want to, even if that means wearing heavy armour when it is infeasible..

>>143906192
He chose Monk, the armor of the dragon king chose him.

>>143825138

If you're posting a bland OP image why not posting some wins?

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So, should I split it on fighting and uc and not worry about my melee again in the whole run, or wait for a bow and gain instant expertise? Or even put it into dodging to have real EV?

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>>143907282
no bullying threadguy

>>143907484
Drink it now. Exp potions give relatively less experience for skills the longer you wait.

>>143907484
dodging probably is the most universally beneficial. Do that

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>>143907775
Screw you -3 apt you're not the boss of me

>>143907484
>UC
what why

>>143908058
wow, did not expect you to get 9 levels out of that

>>143908125
Because I figured it'd save a tiny sliver of xp and make training defenses later less of a pain in the butt

>>143908125
He's probably thinking UC because hooves, which is dumb.

>>143908515
but why is your centaur using unarmed combat

you know you can get weapons for FREE just by picking them up off the ground

seriously what start were you? you don't even have oka piety so it wasn't monk...

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>>143909020
Fighter

And I don't see your point. Unarmed is very strong and relies less on RNG than other choices, so when the choice isn't obvious like with a merfolk or ogre I like to pick unarmed

Well, i got shafted and a series of bad teleports (first from prince ribbit, then from psyche, then from a orc pack and finally into these guys) don't leave me much hope I'm going to live.

>>143907732
In case anyone was wondering this is because potions of experience hand out (750 * your new level) experience points for skills, but there's a hidden cost multiplier for skills --regardless of their level-- that increases as you level up.
This means the effect that the potion has on your skills never actually increases with level, and actually begins to diminish past level 5.

>>143909412
Wow, there was ANOTHER priest

>>143909412
RIP, the RNG givith and the RNG taketh away

real talk
knight, battlemage, or hexer ancestor?

>>143910140
apparently battlemage has stupid AI and wastes time charging at things to melee them

knight is supposed to be the strongest option

>>143910140
hex

enjoy your xp

playing nethack on my phone is it possible to change how the ascii mode looks? I like the look of adom's ascii mode.

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I might have terminal retardation for going up the same stairs with Prince Ree while dragging buddy along here.

>>143910910
Were haste, invis, immo or fear identified?

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>>143911353
>when you walk into the basement of the evac shelter and fall into lava
11/10

>>143911862
>digging that deep in your fortress
fault

>>143911862
>burns you horribly!
You've been warned, haven't you.

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>>143911862
>Comfortable (Rising!!)

>>143911862
>sitting in the lava
>only scratches your legs

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>>143912764

>>143912764
>:l

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>>143886203

>>143913117
When you fall into lava, it damages your legs every turn, but only your legs, so even though the pain knocks you effectively unconscious after a while, you don't die for several days.

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Here we go, let's see if I can throw it far enough.

>>143911862
Lava is slicing your legs? What the fuck.

What does Easy ID do exactly in PCB?

>>143914417
Makes pseudo-ID instant on pickup and makes regular ID act as *ID*. I have not checked if it gives every class warrior-tier pseudo-ID or not.

>>143913673
is CoQ good yet

Anyone care to watch a shitter play? I'm Selleri on berotato.

>>143914417
>>143914723
Decided to do some quick testing using a sorcerer. It does seem to be warrior-tier (I have seen "average" and "good") and it's not even on pickup, it's immediately on the ground like happens once you hit level 35 normally.

>>143915228
I'm really enjoying it, the biomes add a lot of randomness and flavor. Rest of the CoQ posts in this thread are by me as well.
>>143894298
My current char has contracted fungal spores and is growing glowcrusts out of his feet and back. Found a sniper rifle, though, so that's neat.

The game is still in development, and you can't finish the MQ yet as far as I know, but it's receiving updates almost every Friday. Some are small fixes and balance passes, others add content like one huge town or biomes. If there's a major issue the devs do add hotfixes quite quickly.
Any way, I like it, and the tiles are beautiful in my opinion. The few songs that are in really fit the general mood as well, looking forward to the future sound and music.

>it's a crossbow bailey
<

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Well, this was fun. Until I got cocky.

Knight stand is pretty lacking.
5 star piety and XL:13, and he still can't handle hydrae on his own.
Which is a problem because I'm running out of wand charges and I specialized in long blades.

>>143918370
Should've walked away until you got it to an higher enchantment