/sthg/ - Sonic the Hedgehog General

slow

QUICK

Give Sonic an accessory for his next game!

No backpacks

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Do you think Bow or his group will show up again anytime soon? He was given a name-drop at the beginning of the reboot.

>>143767706
soap shoes

>>143767813
Probably after Unleashed is over

>>143767706
make him slow

>>143767706
A phanny pack.

>>143767706
"Prism Bracer" - Gadget on his left wrist that stores multiple forms of Wisp energy at once, allowing Sonic (and the player) to swap between them at will instead of using them one at a time situationally.

Would obviously need the game to be built entirely on that single concept instead of shoving it in as a gimmick, but it'd be neat.

>>143767560
Do the Egyptian?

>Sonic twitter took a shot at the new MN9 trailer.

my sides. I know i'm a little late but still.

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>>143768306
Yep

>>143767706
One earring.

>>143767482
What issue/release was it where Nu-Bunnie's origin was given again?

Sonic 3D (Saturn/PC) has a really underrated soundtrack.

>>143768306
No it's not, it's my original character Dew The Libyan

>>143767706
Guitar on his back.

>>143768519
Does it fire lasers?

>>143768494
Is it the most underrated Sonic soundtrack?

>>143768313
Those explosions were just god awful

>>143767813
I want to see Sonic being thrown a knife at, him evading it, running after it, grabbing it while it's still in the air, and returning it to the guy that threw it at him and calling him slow

>>143767706
Mario's hat.

>>143768660
Watch AoStH.

>>143768605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By23pxeNqcY
works like this

>>143743483
Welp, got near 2250 red rings horded up, should I spin them all away and share what I get?

>>143767706
Sports tape.

>>143768927
Might as well.

>>143767706
A cape

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Post yfw sa3 gets a 4/10

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>>143768775

>>143767706
A sword oh wait

>>143767706
vulnerability

>>143769138
IGN?

>>143769307
Dr. Robotnik, I'm IGN

>>143768245
Cute!

>>143769139
Oh hey, it's Sonic Lost World. I loved that game.

WHO DO I HAVE TO MURDER TO GET ANOTHER CHAO GARDEN

>>143769415
Uhhh...you don't get to have good reviews

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>>143769659
Was getting bribed part of your plan?

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>>143769712
>Roman Reigns will never get over

>>143769138
The first two games were 3/10s at best.

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>>143769138
I don't care about the rating as long as it exists

>>143769138
Hello darkness

>>143768491
As far as I'm aware, Sonic Super Digest #9

http://en.sonicscanf.org/comics/sonic-super-digest/009/#2

>>143768245
I can imagine her being one of those type of players who get mad when the game isn't going the way she want's it to go

>>143769138
but it got 4.8 on x360 and 4.2 on piss3

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>>143769742
Of coursh!
>>143769972
WHO PAID YOU, TO SHILL E-CELEB REVIEWS

>>143769972
Hi Arin

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>>143769972
Welp, here we go.

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>>143769972
Get this hothead outta here

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>>143770075
Nice meme Heiney Squirtz
>>143770193
>>>/co/

>>143769991
Did that pokemon always have a Eggman mustache?

>>143769593
Me. I'd gladly be a sacrifice if it meant more Chao.

>>143769874
The boos will last forever

>>143769972
Somebody watches Game Frumps I see

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>>143770339

>>143769593
Even if it was Blaze?

>don't like some games
>everyone thinks you're a fan of some fat degenerate fuck

As much as I don't like the adventure games, I dislike arin and grumps even more. I'd rather play both adventure games hacked to make it where every level is a car level where you can't touch shit than watch an episode of that garbage.

>>143769972
I'd go 6/10 & 5/10 personally.

>>143770075
>I can imagine her being one of those type of players who get mad when the game isn't going the way she want's it to go
Is she also perpetually smug when she's winning? What kind of vidya does she even play?
>>143770282
Yes

>>143770067
Thanks anon

>>143770642
That's a bold stance, /v/

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Blaze is cute cute CUTE!!!!!

>>143768245
What game is she playing /sthg/?

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>>143769138
I want Sonic Adventure Remastered! Generations graphics, rewritten dialogue, the current cast replacing the old!

>>143770826
An M rated game, I'm sure.

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>>143770730
>thinking I'm /v/ as well

/m/'s my main board actually, hello there.

>>143770805
Seconded

>>143770889
>wanting Minnie Mouse to redo based Lina Inverse's performance

>>143770941
>/m/
Alright I take it back, you're alright

>>143770826
Chao Souls: Git Gud Edition

>>143770889
>tfw Generations is 5 years old
When did Sonic start making you feel old /sthg/?

>>143770889
I'd buy this without hesitation.

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>>143770889
>yfw SEGA does the same thing as Ratchet and Clank and bases the movie on the game which is also a remake/retelling of the first Adventure game

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>tfw sonic x caused the dbz sonic roleplayers on deviantart

>>143771281
If the game is as good as Ratchet & Clank I've never actually played the others but the PS4 one was pretty fun then I don't care.

>>143771439
>tfw Super Sonic caused the dbz sonic roleplayers on the internet

Fix'd.

>>143770889
>rewritten dialogue, the current cast replacing the old!
that's not what remastered means

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>>143771260
When I realised Unleashed is 8 years old in a few months.

I was 12 when it released

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>>143770676
>Is she also perpetually smug when she's winning?
oh absolutely
>What kind of vidya does she even play?
the ones where one can get SS and SSS also probably some really mainstream games like webm related

>>143771439
how did they get away with this
why did they get away with this
also X started A LOT of unnecessary shit

>>143771809
Do you mean the scouter looking thing on Sonic's ear, which is a concept Dragonball does not own, or X in general?

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>tfw this actually happened on sonic x

>>143771986
>or X in general
>>143772045
go figure

>>143771809
What game is that?

>>143771942
Where is this hedgehog's brassiere?

>>143772658
Slow.

>>143772658
a rat

>>143771942
Amy's a cute! Cute! Cute!

>>143772658
fat

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>>143771761
Sonic 06 was 10 years ago. An entire decade.

I was 13 then, now I'm 23. Time is scary.

>>143771260
>>143771761
>>143773641
Sonic's target demographic has literally never played a mainline Sonic game where Sonic isn't the only playable character, and would probably think that multiple playable characters is a fresh new idea.

>>143772127
Cunt Strike : Globally Offended

>>143773641
I was _9 and now I'm 18

It was also one of the first video games I've ever actually owned, along with Lego Star Wars II and Pokemon Firered and a couple other GBA games not worth mentioning back in Christmas of 06

That day changed my life

>>143774051
>That day changed my life
for worse

>>143774106
Eh, I don't know
In the short term, definitely, that was when my autism got cranked up to 11
But in the long term, I can't really say

>>143774262
You're here, you can say it was for the worse.

I haven't kept up with the comics in a couple years but why is Omega covered in ice in the Universe 89 cover?

>>143774329
Well, I can say with some certainty that I wouldn't be as close to a normal functioning human being as I am right now if I never started going to 4chan

>>143774521
The Naugus twins can use crystal magics to control machinery, including controlling Metal Sonic in the upcoming Universe issue.

>>143774521
Because Team Dark's getting in on the fun and Naugus probably used his crystal magic to control Omega

>>143774629
Of course not, you'd actually be a normal functioning human being instead of just close to it if you never came to 4chan.

>>143774845
At best I would've ended up being as I was when I was 14, maybe 15

>>143774845
If only you knew how bad thing really are.

>>143774845
If I wasn't here I'd be on Sonic Stadium.

Thank you, /sthg/

I can't believe Sonic is a member of Hydra

>>143767813
I wonder if Bow will be the guardian of the Never Lake and Little Planet in the new continuity.

>>143776775
Hail Eggman

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>>143776775
>>143777416

>>143767813
buck was the worse character. If he's a man of peace, why is he even here?

>>143778864
Because the power of Aurora compelled him to?

Friendly reminded that today is the last day Sonic Runners is playable in the U.S.

If you've not used your red rings, you may as well feed them to that fucking roulette wheel and see what happens.

Otherwise, grab the folder Sonic Runners is held in, zip it up, upload it to google drive and send it to Sonic Paradise, who are trying to preserve and maybe recreate the game without all the bullshit.

>>143778864
Combat medic.

>>143779384
What if I downloaded it right now and kept it?

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>>143769035
Alright, let's do this shit /sthg/

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>>143779921
>nearly 19 million rings

>>143779921
>rank 605
>2300 RSR
nigger

>>143779921
Oh boy time to blow all those red rings to get fuck all

>>143779921
Are you going to do the trick to manipulate the wheel? Or did they patch that?

>>143780332
>Sonic lost his best friend
>Shadow lost his "Sister"
>Knuckles lost his race
>Eggman lost his themepark
truly a hell of a world

>>143781106
>Sonic lost his best friend
Tails is still here.

>>143779659
You will have a lovely app on your device and can view the title screen, but that's it.

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>>143781106
>furries and those that associate with them go through hell

>>143781239
Who?
some "supporting" side character like everybody else who's not Sonic or Eggman?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEGKcWHqhZQ

>>143781106
gotta imagine what it's like to be Knuckles, functionally extinct and functionally retarded

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>>143780284
You think that shit is bonkers? Saw some kid with near 100 million. Apparently he never used any past the experience update so just had a lot left over
>>143780293
Half those red star rings came from just logging in daily and playing a game or two
>>143780580
Patched it, you can still do it differently but I'm not good enough to get it 100% of the time. Anyways, wanna see what the game screws me over with

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>>143780450
Basically, also
>occasionally

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Should I storytiming it?

>>143783345
No.

>>143783345
If it hadn't been drawn by a drunk rhesus monkey, sure but it was so no. don't.

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>>143781246
Basically, also the best thing I got out of blowing all those RSRs was this buddy simply for the name and uselessness of it.

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>>143783546
Actually also got the gay Silver psychic hedgehog twice but don't care for him. All those free normal Roulette spins got me back up to 50 again. What will the final spin bring /sthg/?

>>143783546
Hey, it's our old friend Hunk of Meat!

>>143783773
>What will the final spin bring /sthg/?
Disappointment

>>143783546
The best sonic character, hands down.

>>143783773
Disappointment.

Just like 94% of spins.

>>143783546
What an inspiring game design.

>>143783773
But Silver is cute

>>143784183
Incorrect.

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>>143784278

>>143784183
Silver a shit.

>>143776775
The long con

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>>143783919
>>143783973
Fuck, also congrats on being right. You win jack shit just like me

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>>143777821

>>143783345

His "My Gym Partner's a Monkey" comic was actually pretty interesting.

>>143768649
everything in that trailer was god awful. Inafune's rep is in the shithole and he'll need a miracle to bring it out

>>143779384
Fun fact about Sonic Runners: Every time you get a jackpot in the normal roulette the amount winnable goes down. If you win once it goes from 99,999 rings to 54,499 to 50,000 if you win again. Realized this after blowing all those tickers I had saved up in that game today.

>>143771281
so the movie will be bad but the game will be pretty alright? I think i could live with that

>>143783773
Wait, almost forgot to mention that I got Tikal again which was nice. Other than that it was a pretty shit showing... as expected I guess.

>>143786059
Damn. That's really disappointing. Not even SR to go out on.

I'm so sorry, Anon.

>>143786882
Eh it's fine, had almost all the buddies anyways minus goop the hedgehog and the Werehog. The most disappointing thing I've ever experienced in Runners was during the Halloween event where I spent over 1000 red rings (Ones I actually earned fairly in the game) trying to get all the special characters yet only ended up with Omega.

>>143772658
fast

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>>143779384
>without all the bullshit
Imagine yourself /sthg/, you've just earned yourself a spot at SEGA and they're willing to let you have a big input on what the next mainline Sonic console game will be. It comes at a price however, in order to achieve the spot you must fix Sonic Runners
What do? What bullshit would you fix/change specifically?

>>143787892
Make it where you can just buy characters, buddies, etc with rings, red rings, or just money if you don't wanna grind a bit. Also remove the "Always need to be connected" shit.

>>143787892

Look at Tales of Link.

Literally that. Buddies are their own thing, with a separate roulette for characters only.

Also no ads.

>>143787892
Revert Sonic Runners back to how it was in the beta.

Remember when runners had fucking walls preventing you from going too far?

>>143788624
Always felt bad for newcomers to the game, they would never know the wonder that was 50 red rings ever episode/chapter Eggman fight.

>>143787892
I'm not sure exactly, but I think it could be alot more addicting and I'd aim for that. Grabbing all those fucking emeralds in that stretch that had the drill wisp at the beginning was fun.

>>143788967
And yet some player still managed to get to 100 million points

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>>143789386
Gosh, I love these stupid characters so much.

>>143789386
Knuckles x chaos emerald best ship

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did the guy who made pic related post the other pics yet? he said he got banned but he'd be back today

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>Maple Wild Zone
R8 it

>>143789386
Man it's been awhile since I've seen someone post Aoki art, what'd she been up to? Is she even still a fan?

>>143789857

> banned

Ebin swatbots.

>>143789386
>Amy carrying Sonic
>Shadow carrying Maria
>Knuckles carrying Rouge

God, my heart

>>143789987
noice

>>143769139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQUikzp61hA
Also did Youtube just automatically unsubscribed me from them without me knowing?

>>143788967
Ah those were the days the shit days

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>>143783345
fuck no

>>143789987
Neat/10

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>>143789386
What happened to Tails

>>143790041
Aoki is dead anon
at least on Sonic art

>>143791141
Which Sonic is gonna get beat up?

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>>143789386
speaking of Maria, does anyone else ever wonder what young Eggman looked like? Was he always fat, or was it more of a becoming my (grand)father sorta thing?

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>>143792804

fire and ice when?

>>143793080
huh, that's not the best eggman, but I could see him looking like that in certain ways.

>>143793080
They seems more vulnerable alright. Some of them even have backpacks.
/r/ing proper Eggman strangling one of these fuckers.

>>143793540
BUT THAT WOULD KILL HIM IN THE FUTURE!

>>143793540
it's not a bad basis for a younger eggman design, mop of hair, coveralls that are also shoes because... I don't know, probably because he's always looked like that.

>>143793540
They're not vulnerable enough, they need to show their "animal sides" and have a blank slate

What do I do to be able to stand up to all the pain and turmoil?

>>143795109
kill yourself

TEAM CHAOTIX

>>143795359
THEY'RE DETECTIVES YOU WANT ON YOUR SIDE

>>143795482
COME ALONG FOR THE RIDE

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>>143789987

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Thrash was truely the hero Mobius deserved.

You're comparing yourself to me? Ha!

>>143797735
He will make Mobius great again

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>>143797735
His only wrongdoing, was loving his planet too much.

>>143797735
>>143797976
He was the hero we needed but didn't deserve.

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>>143792804

Sonic is the slow one, right?

>>143799428
Tails is the brave one. Eggman is the nature-loving hero.

>>143799428
>>143799589
Why are you saying these well known things

>>143800038
Someone told me Sonic was fast and I thought that can't be right, so I asked.

>>143799428
Don't forget about Chris Thorndyke being the most beloved character in the series

>>143799125

This would have been a very acceptable plot twist, but would have basically ruined Eggman, probably for a long time.

Still better than that space adventure shitpile. Cosmofags are the worst.

>>143802558
>n-no! muh cosmo! i don't wanna kill you!
Wow, that shit was the worst.

>>143802558
>Still better than that space adventure shitpile. Cosmofags are the worst.
It reminded me of the first arc of Dragon Ball GT. I'm honestly not sure which one was worse

Has Sonic ever made you cry /sthg/?

>>143806042
Rail Canyon made me cry tears of rage when I was young.

>>143767482
>Runner shutting down
How long do you think it'll be before they make another Sonic app?

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>>143806248
What if it's the Chao Garden app?

>>143806459
Didn't they do something like that within an app? Sonic Jump Fever I think

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We need more cute Weremobians!

>>143806748
Feral Sally was pretty good

>>143806748
I want to nuzzle her poofy chest!

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>>143806748
She looks like a spider

>>143806042

Metal Sonic dying in the OVA.

>>143807982
Dying in lava can't be fun.

>>143807982
That was a sad moment

>>143799125
my god, it could be true.

>>143791216
She's moved onto even more dead fandoms, still an amazing artist

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>>143802558
>>143802862
I forgot how much I hated X

>>143803523
>I'm honestly not sure which one was worse
X

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>>143806748
But Were-x are supposed to be scary

>>143809716
Yeah
I miss Aoki

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>>143806748

He's the fastest thing alive !

>>143810515
Who?

>>143810654
Big

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>>143810654
Yosh.

>>143802558
Never really hated or liked Cosmo to be honest, thought she had a cute design and that was about it.

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>>143810259

Cute, but it's time to move on.

>>143806042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TMnBlqe7fk

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>watching episode 300 of Botchamania because reasons
>one of Paul Heyman's promos about Brock Lesnar is partly superimposed over a speedrun of City Escape
http://botchamania.com/2016/03/13/botchamania-300/
(starts at 13:25)
>mfw

>>143812897
>boom Tails has Zooey and Perci after his dick
Its like they read shit posted on here

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>>143814197

>Sempai
>Sem
>m

Update your picture
I fucked up.

>>143815191
Don't look at me, I got it from when SeNpai (or someone posing as him) visited a while ago.

>>143802558
Bokkun was the only best thing from Sonic x desu

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>>143814197
>tfw people are still booing roman

>>143815474

No problem friend. Like I said, I fucked up in making it originally.

>>143815630
I've been watching a few more.
>TLC's botches overdubbed with Carnival Night in ep. 296
>Kallisto makes skidding and jumping effects when entering in 309
Good taste.

>>143815739
Silver's reaction face is pretty great.

Hello /sthg
How are we today?

>>143817520
Slow

Does anyone here own the advance games?

Do the spines of the boxes match? I just bought a copy of 2 and I already own 3 and they don't look the same from the side. I don't think I bought a fake or a different region version of the game. Did THQ just fuck up the formatting?

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>>143817520
Pretty good. Working on a fangame.

>>143817520
Had a fever all weekend, plus I've thrown up like three times now. I feel so fucking shitty. My friends all want to play mobas or fightan, but I need a comfy game that isn't going to get me hyped and make me puke.

It's been a rough time.

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>>143771942
Delicious Side Boob.

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>>143817520
Deciding on wether to buy 4 SEGA games for £18 Ive been on a big SEGA binge recently 100 percenting them because im a trophy whore. Someone please talk me out of doing it, i only got £50 in my bank.

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>>143819759
Do it.

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>>143797940
>>143798319
>>143797735
>>143797976
But guys...
He didn't finish the job.

>>143819718
Yes. I feel just like that.

>>143819759
Does SEGA really deserve any money?

>>143820087
We already all know that's Wally, anon.

>>143820208
That would explain the gloves.

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>>143819975
I will man, i'll fucking do it just you watch.

>>143820142
With the recent restructure i think it would be good to throw a few pennies their way.

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>FP2 is the closest thing to a Sonic game I can look foward to

>>143802558
I sincerely wish that Cosmo was good. She should have been. She could have been! But no, we got Sonic GT instead. The only part I even remember was Knuckles vs. Yellow Zelkova Part II.

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>>143820389
Yeah, what the fuck ever.

>>143820389
I really wish someone would make a sonic style game so FPfags would shut up. It;s sad that it's mentioned all the time when it's such a lacklustre game.

Seriously though, if sonic was such a good series howcome there aren't more fan clone type games? There should be fucking loads.

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>>143820087
Fuck the Echidna's!
Make Mobius Great Again!

>>143820208
In other news, Wally now takes the lead for best troll. I don't see Wendy making any oblique references to Pendered characters.

>>143820087
Legit though it was Boom Knuckles till I went, "that doesn't make any fucking sense"

>>143819037
A Sonic fangame?

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>>143820087

>>143814197
Well that's a pleasant surprise

>>143819632
>but I need a comfy game that isn't going to get me hyped and make me puke
Sonic 1?

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>>143821502
Yuh huh. Nothing too ambitious. Just a single-level experience, really.

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ytf when silver is in the next sonic game

>>143821965
Sonic fans have never really been able to make a decent 3d sonic fan game outside of SRB2

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>>143817520
I've been playing Hyrule Warriors lately. It's strangely addicting.

>>143821965
I wonder when these guys will actually start testing this shit with levels instead of set pieces that require no more precision than Boost.

Sally Acorn is the best waifu

>>143822425
I concur.

>>143821918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-ef8SD9gUg

>>143822425
Nah man.

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>>143820716
one Sonic style clone that isn't FP, coming up senpai

I have no idea what I'm doing

>>143822215
I've played it. Yeah it really is. I havent touched it in a while though.

>>143822108
I really want to see someone give Shaymay's concept a shot.

>>143822575
Is this the let's relax with Sonic 1?

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>>143821965
FAST

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>>143822108
We aim to be the first to break that cycle. Naturally, there's no guarantee that we will succeed, but that's just how it goes, I suppose.

>>143822253
Our level is already reaching near the end of production, actually. We've tested many different players with varying degrees of exposure to the Sonic franchise and even platformers in general with some very positive results. (More positive than expected, honestly.)
The physics puzzle showcased here actually requires a great deal of precision when reaching the end, as it will launch the player in 3 different directions depending on which angle they hit the final S-curve at.

We understand that it is impossible to please every Sonic fan at once, which is why I thought it might be a fun idea to pop into /sthg/ and see what folks around here think, so feel free to request any screenshots, Webms, or ask any questions.

>>143823008
Funny you should mention that. He posted part 3 of his Spitball series a couple months ago and I was surprised to find that many of his concepts were already a part of our project. We've been working since October, so I suppose it's just coincidence that our design philosophies line up as well as they do. I actually enjoy listening to it as I work for background noise.

>>143822713
That interface looks familiar. What is it?

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>>143822014

>>143823383
Out of all the shit you've shown on /v/ threads. etc. I have not seen one bit of actual platforming.

>>143823383
Everyone that tries to put loops in a 3D Sonic seems to always miss the point of having loops in the first place

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>>143823383
>That interface looks familiar. What is it?
Sonic Worlds.

>>143823580
Which is?

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>>143823575
Here's the opening of the level with some basic platforms for you. There isn't that much "flat platform to flat platform-style" platforming in our level, though. We put more of an emphasis on slopes and launching yourself off of them in order to gain height, but if you're itching for more traditional platforming there's a reasonable amount for you here as well.

>>143823580
>>143823848
Yes. I really do want to hear your viewpoint, as this is a point of contention for a lot of fans. What is the point of loops in Sonic?

>>143824224
That is some SA-tier platforming. It's unfortunate that you are only capturing half of the magic of the Genesis games in this.

>>143823848
>>143824224
To go fast
Or at least give the feeling of going fast
Compare how it feels to see Sonic whizzing around a loop in the classic games compared to seeing a scripted event of him casually running around a loop in the Adventure games or the light jog on a curved surface in your game

>>143823383
>>143824224
I have a question about the Mach State mechanic. How is it any different than putting boost pads before a loop or using the boost? You need to purposely leave a huge area of land or a sudden drop in order for it to activate. After that the player simply needs to move forward and he will crash through all the enemies/obstacles automatically. The whole concept of speed as a reward is useless if it's just given to you like that.

>>143823848
>>143824224
Not that guy, but the point is basically a speed gate. You need to build speed to get through it and are rewarded with more speed as you exit the downward slope. The tight constrained loops also let the player build huge amounts of speed if they jump inside it properly. While your loops presumably aren't automated and need speed to get through, big huge loops lose the last part.

>>143824578
Loops are really just a visual piece, not sure what you're getting at.

>>143823242
>fast (3) .gif
What are the others?

hey so new fag
Is there any good references of.. bump and sage

>>143824860
No.
See >>143824803 as he's actually right.
They're supposed to be minor obstacles that give you a minor amount of speed for getting through them.

Here's my completely unwarranted take on 3D Sonic controls:

Sonic R's controls were the best controls of any 3D Sonic game. Only problem was the turning, really. You turned way to slow when standing still and you turned way too much when going fast. But besides that, it blows Adventure style controls out of the water IMO.

>>143824993
http://theride.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=bump_the_deer
http://theride.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=sage_the_sloth

>>143824860
Go boot up one of the classic games and just run through a loop at Sonic's usual max speed
Then go find some speed shoes and run through a loop again
The sense of speed'll be increased compared to just running on flat ground

>>143824993
Hesse's drawing of Bump is probably the best one but there isn't really a super good Sage one aside from the couple of pics ABT did with her in it.

>>143824996
Visual pieces in 3D games, rather.
You're right about their use in the 2D games.

>>143825006
I find it pretty similar to Adventure, personally. Other than pressing a button instead of holding forward to go forward.

>>143825102
Thanks anon

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>>143824370
SA-tier in what regard? I just want to make sure that I understand your critique.

>>143824578
Which is precisely what we're going for here. All of our loops are entirely physics-based with no splines and no scripting at any time.

>>143824707
Mach State will not activate if that player is simply running. In order to master the game's mechanics they must understand when it is appropriate to roll and when it is appropriate to run. Running gives the player more control over Sonic's turn radius as well as more power over upward slopes. However, downward slopes will yield less of a speed bonus.

Rolling makes Sonic a slave to slopes, for better and for worse. He gains more of a speed bonus and there he will be able to break through into Mach State.

The challenge in this particular instance is in both knowing how to achieve the speed necessary to break into Mach and then knowing how to maintain and handle that speed.

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>>143824993
Welcome to /sthg/. Here's your complimentary rodent.

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>>143824803
Here are a few Webms to try and clear things up for you in that regard, as we had struggled with the role of loops ourselves when we began designing the level.

First, we have the player attempt to traverse the loop through the use of a Spin Dash. They fail, as the upward slope is far too taxing on Sonic in ball-form and he falls.

>>143825429
In the regard of being bland, overly slow, and non-dynamic.
And I think the anon asking about Mach State was wondering how one would be able to break into one without a set piece.

>>143825429
Again, you're missing the point
The player doesn't feel like they're going fast in the slightest
Or at the very least, watching these webms it doesn't seem like Sonic's going all that quickly

Personally I just don't see loops working in 3D at all, it pretty much only works when you can see it from the side and forcing sudden camera changes isn't really the best idea

>>143825637
Return to sender

>>143825703
There's one massive flaw when it comes to incorporating loops in 3D: why doesn't the player just jump to the other side?

And if the answer is "because there's an obstacle where they need speed to clear" then why bother having the loop in the first place since they'd need to get speed to clear the loop to begin with? The loop is redundant as an obstacle or a method of gaining speed.

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>>143825703
Second, the player performs what we call a Spin-Cancel, where the player cancels Sonic's roll as soon as the Spin Dash concludes, sending him into a run. While running, Sonic has more power over upward slopes, thus he is able to conquer it!

However, that doesn't solve the problems stated here:
>>143824707
>>143824803
>>143825703
>>143826616

How does the player break into Mach without needing a huge hill like the aptly-named Mach Mountain?
Also, if you can get over those loops without Mach, then what's the point of them?
Also, also, This is 3D! The player can just jump between the loops, or go around them! Why even have the loop? Loops are meant to be obstacles to be conquered, rather than mere spectacle using this philosophy, right, so what gives?

Our answer lies in this final clip. In the third attempt, the player performs the Spin-Cancel in order to get over the loop. They then curl back up on the second half of the loop in order to break into Mach.
Finally, we have a breakable wall that can ONLY be broken while in Mach State.
Thus, the loops become both an obstacle to traverse while in Mach State as well as a tool to achieve it if you're clever enough with Sonic's moveset. If you attempt to circumvent the loops while approaching in Mach State, you'll either hit the river that goes through it, or turn too sharply and lose too much speed anyway.

While we do feature loops in our level, they are used sparingly, as they only make sense in linear physics challenges such as the one featured here.

>>143825993
>The player doesn't feel like they're going fast in the slightest
What makes you say that? Judging by the reactions of our testers they felt that Sonic moved quite fast while in Mach State.

>>143827084
As I've said before, just look at Sonic going through a loop when going really fast in the old games
Compared to that this looks like a light jog

>>143827084
So what you're saying is that the player is unable to go into the Mach State unless you create a set-piece that allows them to? Then whats the point? Why make something that's so forced be such a main element of your game? As it is it's just a glorified scripted event with player input. Instead of acting scientific and guiding players through how your loops work, try thinking about how you can make levels more organic so the player has more freedom of play. No one wants to be reigned in like that and forced to play how the developer wants them to in any given instance.

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>>143816832
>>143815739

I tried

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>>143826616
Indeed, they do need speed to clear the loop, but they need even MORE speed than that in order to break into Mach. You can easily clear the loop by running around it, sure, but you will not break into Mach doing that.
If the player figures out that they must roll while on the second, downward half of the loop then they are rewarded with much more speed than before.

In this case, the twin loops are an obstacle for a novice to conquer as well as a tool for a proficient player to use for a quick boost.

>>143827791
I'm afraid I do not understand.
>So what you're saying is that the player is unable to go into the Mach State unless you create a set-piece that allows them to?
Is that not how the Classic's behaved? Is there a point in the classic Sonic games where the player was able to hit Sonic's true top speed without a loop, or a slope to work off of? It's up to the player to know how to USE these environmental elements to their fullest potential, isn't it?

Also, I must emphasize that that particular physics challenge is a part of the opening tutorial section of the level.
We chose to guide the player a bit more directly during this section rather than just dumping them into an aimless playground and expecting them to know what to do and where to go. We wanted to make sure that they were very familiar with Sonic's moveset before letting them loose on the bigger obstacles.

I suppose that's my fault for not explaining that the Twin Loop challenge is part of the tutorial that teaches how to achieve and maintain Mach State.

>>143828798
Make the background transparent so it'll work regardless of theme or even if it's posted off 4chan.

>>143828936
>Is there a point in the classic Sonic games where the player was able to hit Sonic's true top speed without a loop, or a slope to work off of?
No but there also was not some specific threshold that they needed to pass over in order to increase their max speed limit. Without a massive sloped cliff or a loop to slingshot off of using a specific technique it looks impossible to enter Mach State at all. And at that point the Mach State might as well not exist and just be an organic part of Sonic's general movement by raising his speed cap to whatever the Mach State's is. You need to be asking yourself questions like this if you don't want the game to feel stilted, scripted, or guided. And I sure as hell hope rolling is not binding to down.

>>143821965
How would /sthg/ feel if, for the next mainline Sonic game, as a prize for beating the game you unlock an open world stage where the goal is literally to just go fast and explore?

>>143830193
I was literally just thinking this. I would fucking love it. I also have Xenoblade X on the brain so I imagined Sonic in a world of that size with a similar style of freedom. Plus the music from that game reminds me of Adventure

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Well how'd I do?
I drew bump
Do i pass sthg?


>>143825637
well by new i meant .. like new this week i guess. i was here a couple days ago too.

>>143830693
Oh hey, that's pretty cute! You pas my muster, anon.

>>143830693
A good first attempt. The lower body looks a bit misshapen, though.

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>>143830693
It feels good to have a new artist draw the Bump. Thanks!

>>143829713
We figured that Mach State was a way to encourage players to roll rather than simply running everywhere. We wanted there to be pros and cons to each state and allow the player to decide when it was best to use each. If you could get to Sonic's top speed through running then what's the point of Sonic curling into a ball at all?

>Rolling binded to down
Eww. Certainly not. It's bound to the B button, or Right Click if you're using a keyboard and mouse. How would it being Down even work in 3D?

>>143830193
>>143830523
Trust me. You think you want a completely open-world Sonic, but you don't.
What you're feeling is likely an exaggerated backlash from the linear, scripted, on-rails experiences we've been stuck with for quite some time. I know the feeling all-too-well, but you can't let that cloud your judgement.
Our original vision for our fangame was probably exactly what you're envisioning right now but then we quickly realized that going fast with no rhyme, reason, or objective was trilling and empowering at first, but then got very old, very quickly.
Sonic doesn't need "Open World." It just needs... "More open than we've been getting." A bit more elbow-room to explore with a few new paths to take, but with a clearly defined direction and objective.

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>>143823580
>>143823848
>>143824803
>>143824860


Getting almost exactly halfway around a loop and hitting down to curl into a ball at the apex and getting even more speed is super fun. I love timing the ball, it makes you feel like you're actually getting more speed than you are. I'm not sure exactly how that could translate into a 2d controller enviroment (rolling the dpad in the 2d games is fun but it doesn't really work in 3d since you can't rotate the dpad into the actual controller and around forwards) but it would be neat to see a way to do it.

Also, mr fangame man, it seems like it'd be pretty easy to come off those loops and just run into flat space, wouldn't it make more sense to indent them slightly like half pipes a touch in order to make you naturally gravitate towards the 'true center' so you're less likely to feel like you're losing control and are about to fly off the side?

You'd lose a slight amount of control but less so than putting little fence type walls on the edges of the loop. and it kinda makes sense that the loops would be '3d' and not just flat floor loops.

>>143830942
Need more cute images of Bump and Sonic

>>143830778
>>143830881
>>143830942
Ah
Thank you
It's been a while since i've drawn Sonic characters. They definitely have a strange anatomy that i'm going to have to get used to again.

>>143831394
An interesting suggestion. I'll talk to my modelling guy and we'll look into it, okay? Thanks for the tip.

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>>143792804
now tht I'm home, I got drunk and sketched some ideas about this. He looks like a fucking muppet.

>>143830193
Why not incorporate the best of both worlds and have a wide open hub world to explore? You don't necessarily need to space everything out like in 06, you can make it so that you can find all the levels in a central area, and then you can explore outside that area if you want to.

>>143828936
liking what I'm seeing anon. Hoping in the final version that the edges of surfaces are less clear cut, and more naturally occuring looking maybe? If you could either make the loops and such look like man made objects by an ancient race or somehow naturally occuring land formations, like your half pipe here would be more of a half bowl instead I think it'd look a lot better. But I get that you guys are still prototyping stuff, so I look forward to seeing how it progresses.

>>143828936
When this is done I hope your going to have some kind of VR support so I can get verdigo from those heights and enjoy the speed

>>143831370
>you think you want open world, but you don't
Where have we heard that before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wrw3c2NjeE