/twg/ - Total War General

First for pagodas

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What is Charlemagne so sad about?

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>>140778186
1st for comfy borders.

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Ahhh /twg/… the eternal general

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What do you all think of the Ancient Empires submod for Divide et Impera?

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>3 weeks, 1 day and 13 hours

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>>140778337
The comfiest borders.

>>140778549
Remind me, who cucked the world?

>>140778549
Scipio coming for your ass, you better watch out.

>>140778441
GONDOR CALLS FOR AID!

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11th for hussars

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>Lizardmen still not announced.

>>140778619
Hataz did! He took an Aksum army to Britannia. There wuz NO ONE left to cuck, da wimmin wuz his.

>>140778704
Ah! Scipio Africanus! A good Aksum general!

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>>140778441

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>>140778746
>Gondor
ded

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xth for fucking pagodas again

>>140779016
Whats wrong friend? Don't you like pagodas?

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Xth for Brets not even winning at what they are supposed to win at

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>>140779236
Is it wrong to like a little variety in my OPs?

>>140779641
Yes, welcome to total pagoda general.

>>140779636
Basically the state of the tabletop to be honest.

There will probably be balance changes and shit, especially regarding Bretonnia as they're released.

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

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What are some good submods for Divide et Impera (for Rome 2)?

>>140780187
uninstall.exe

>>140780187

Attila

>>140780187
The uninstall submod.

>>140780187
Attila

>>140779792
GW was never good at balancing anything. But the game should be able to balance appropriately. Nice thing about the digital medium.

Bret knight have to be the best cav or else that faction is doomed... like it is on the table.

>>140778335
Didn't his pappy just die?

>>140779636
Ha, Bretonnia fags btfo.

Can somebody tell me if Empire is really THAT bad?
Seen a lot of hate here, and I'm interested in playing it.

Is Napoleon a decent substitute?

>>140780590
They say Empire has the better campaign and Napoleon has the better battle play.

I enjoyed what Empire I did play, but then I have a boner for the Georgian era.

I suspect people just didn't like the change from the melee based gameplay they were used to.

>>140780590

Empire has a grander campaign with it being probably the largest of any total war

Napoleon is just set in europe but the actual battle mechanics are alot tighter and better

>>140780590
Like he said>>140780807 Napoleon has no real grand campaign and you'll find yourself getting bored of it even though it has better mechanics.

Just get DarthMod for Empire and have fun the game is fine, people like to hate, man.

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Wait, can you NOT get a Divine Triumph if you don't get both a military AND a cultural victory?

Please someone, anyone help me out here. I've spent like a week and a half on this damn campaign, if I found out I've been working towards something unachievable anyways I'm going to flip my shit.

Hey guys, I just got Stainless Steel 6.3, and it works fine aside from the occasional UI bug. I tried patching to 6.4 but it did that crash on launch bug that people supposedly have. Should I even bother patching to 6.4 or am I good with 6.3?

>>140782172
Gotta get both.

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>>140782614
>mfw
Fuck are you kidding me? I've been playing out this ERE campaign for an extra few days when I lost out on the cultural victory a long ass time ago by teching civics too quickly?

God fucking damn it all. That was a huge chunk of my weekend.

>>140783749
Sorry, mate. You wasted your weekend.

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Can anyone offer any tips for playing as Rome with DeI and the Ancient Empires submod? I start out at war with both Carthage and Syracuse, the latter having been strengthened by the map changes.

inb4 asinine meme responses from the resident man-children

>>140783875
Well damn man, thanks for at least letting me know and not saying like "Yea, buddy keep going for it! It's right around the corner!" or some shit.

Guess it is time for a new campaign.

>>140782359
pls respond

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RE-POSTAN FOR MORE DISCUSSION

CA wants your opinion on the next historical TW game setting. They have already decided to wait on Medieval 3, so it isn't an immediate option.

They offer you some popular suggestions and ask for your take on which you feel would be the most successful and why. These popular suggestions include:
>Total War: Three Kingdoms
>Total War: Warring States
>Total War: Renaissance
>Total War: Empire II
>Total War: Kahnate
>Total War: Victoria
>Total War: Tribalism

You can also offer your own, unique take on a new total war game.

What do you do?

>>140785489
Victoria. Include a few non-Euro countries that can modernize and eventually dominate the map, like China or Ethiopia.

>>140785489
Last thread, it seemed like Victoria and Empire 2 were the most popular choices with a Chinese TW coming in 2nd place.

>>140785697
Has anyone made a straw poll?

>>140785489
>Tribalism
Like, man, that's really vague. Native Americans? African tribes prior to the Scramble for Africa? Proto-European tribes?

>>140785489
Shogun 3

>>140785881
European tribals before the black man arrived and gave them knowledge.

>>140785989
Ah yes. The ancient story of Romulus and Jamal.

>>140785738
Not that I've seen.

>>140785881
>>140785989
It is too vague honestly, I had initially meant African tribes but a game focused on Native Americans (both North and South American tribes) could be interesting.

>>140786125
Romulus was the name of an ancient Sub-Saharan African. Jamal was part of the "Romani" Tribe in Italy. Romulus did his best to give Jamal knowledge of architecture, art, military tactics, and language. Jamal killed Romulus later, stabbing him in the back, just like how all white men stab black men in the back after using them. After this, Jamal took the name "Romulus" and spread the knowledge to the other "Romani" that the name Jamal, and names like it, were for Africans.

>>140780590
The same thing as rome 2 is to attila. The whole game should have been ported over but won't be because muh shekels goyim

Hey, just bought fots. I'm playing satsuma for the first campaign, should I be attacking Imperial clans on Kyushu once the shogun guys are ded?

The Choshu grabbed some provinces and I don't know if I should attack them. Is there realm divide in fots, or is it more like your allegiance has to fight off the other guys, republic seems like vanilla realm divide

>>140785697
>>140785489
I want Empire II so bad.

>>140785489
Superior taste:
>Empire II
>Victoria
>Renaissance

Weeb shit tier:
>Three Kingdoms
>Mongols
>Warring states

Literally what:
>Tribalism

>>140785489
Pike and shot

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>>140787016
>stand and shooty

wow.... yeah.. go for..... ZzzzZzzzzzzzzz........

>>140786795
Seems to be the general consensus anyways. Most people want Victoria or Empire 2 next but would be equally content with Renaissance.

If that isn't possible for some reason, people would also accept a Chinese-based Total War but seemingly only as a fallback or just-in-case secondary option.

No one seems to give a shit about Tribalism because it would have the least (if any) documented history about it to go on. It also wouldn't necessarily have "formations" in the same way a regular total war game would so it may even be too different from the spirit of the gameplay to try.

Most alternative suggestions have been shit or fallen within a timeline that could be included in the other games.

>>140787516
You have still given zero indication as to what you're referring to when you say "tribalism".

>>140787596
see
>>140786135
I initially meant it as an African Tribes forming into Kingdoms kind of game. CA would likely be able to re-use a lot of assets from Attila.

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>>140786125

>>140786795
>Implying Total War: Ooga Booga wouldn't be amazing

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help

>>140787730
Nigga, why did you claim the Shogunate early?

>>140787456
The only difference between lines exchanging fire and lines mashing together are muh combat animations.

Do you like mosh pits, anon? This is how you get mosh pits.

>>140778495
>Posting Hime

>>140787730
Restart

daily reminder that the next historical total war will be reused garbage and it will sell like shit and CA will drop the historical premise altogether

>>140787883
Kill yourself my man.

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>>140787715
>ooga booga

>>140788091
Nice retort bro!
Upvote

>>140787730
What kind of idiot conquers Kyoto before even having the realm divide?
7 provinces is way too few to cause a realm divide, especially as ikko ikki.
You should incite revolts and then conquer a province, rebel provinces dont give much Fame.
You also better let your towns accumulate towngrowth before doing shit.

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Who should be the first major DLC faction release (aside from Bretonnia's campaign to make them complete, obviously) once Warhammer drops, /twg/?

My vote is for Skaven.

I have a suspicion it is going to be Wood Elves though just because of proximity to the rest of the factions and to shut the "b-but where are the elves?!" people the fuck up.

>>140788456

Pontus

Why do Chaos Warriors get 3 Legendary Lord choices while everyone else only gets 2?

Shouldn't they just make it 3 for everyone to start with?

>>140788456
It'll almost certainly be the Woodelves.
I don't feel the Skaven should appear to early on.
Should have the entire map available before the most threatening faction appears. The fact that the provinces are really large and bland down there also argues against their immediate inclusion.

>>140788456
Is this official or fan art?

>>140788781
I believe Chaos were planned to be DLC but they brought it forward to be part of the release. I think they want 3 for everyone, and plan to allow for this through their free updates.

So the model would be everyone with 2, everyone updated up to 3; Chaos appears also with 3. But that went out of order along the way.
It isn't really an issue.

>>140788897
It's obviously fan art. Great horned rat has very distinct red eyes, warpstone glow doesn't change this.

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>>140788260
Honestly I haven't played Shogun 2 in over a year, much less the Ikko Ikki

>>140787730
>Ikko Ikki
Die, fucking scum.

>>140789050
Who do you think the 3rd Legendary Lord will be for Empire, Dwarfs, Orks, and VC? Also for that matter who will the 2nd and 3rd LL for Brettonia be?

My guess is one of Brettonia's LL will be Morgiana Le Fay.

The rest I'm not sure though, I mean Konrad Von Carstein is already dead by the time the game takes place, yea?

>>140789790
I believe they will take some liberties with the chronology, it isn't the End Times simulator; could have Konrad.

I feel that we'll probably get Valten for Empire, not sure about Orcs or VC. And I'll be damned if I ever pay any shred of attention to the manlets.

>>140789790
For the dwarfs, my bet is on Thorek Ironbrow.

>>140789165
wanna co-op?

>>140789931
>>140789790
Orcs 3rd Legendary Lord confirmed to be Garrosh Hellscream

>>140785489
>warring states
Which warring states?

>>140785489
Total War: Warhammer 2

Fuck you historyfags.

>>140791630
>next historical game
>posts a confirmed fantasy game
0 points desu

>>140791852
You missed the part where I said "fuck you".

Fantasy is here to stay, get used to it.

>>140791957
Nothing in the original post implied that fantasy was on its way out. What're you so worked up about?

>>140792236
I'm worked up about how hype it is that TW is fantasy forever now and your history bullshit is history.

>>140792413
Why are you so angry about history? They'll probably just stagger releases and make both now.

>>140792473
>responding to low quality bait
Anon please.

>>140792597
I'm bored and extremely thirsty.

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EMPIRE 2 FUCKING WHEN?!

>>140793470
Return of Med II's interesting traits when

>>140793621
Return to Medieval 1's better campaign when?

>>140793696
Why was Med 1's campaign better

>>140793725
Because you could do more with your army.

>>140793725
it wasnt, its just that the AI was better at handling it than the new campaign

>>140793851
Well yeah, but magic ladders make the AI handle better too.
Before someone flips shit, I'm not saying that it's completely unacceptable to have mage ladders but it -is- objectively a step backwards to accommodate the AI.

410AD, just got a defensive alliance with the Huns as WRE.

GG lads, now just gotta take back Roman clay.

Just watched Civil War and the kid who plays Spiderman did a good job

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>>140794735
why would you watch that?

>>140794893
Because BvS was snyder shit,wanted to see if Marvel also fucked up

>>140794893
>hanging the Milanese dog
Hanging is too good for them.

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>>140778337

>half owned macedonia and greece
>baleares and sicily not owned

5/10

Nice Galatia though.

>>140785489
Give us pike and shot set in 1580 you fucking jews

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>>140795050
why would you watch bvs then?

>>140795550
memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQEgK1MJQ30

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What is the point of the tower? How do I even capture it

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>enemy Shinsengumi kills my daimyo
>savescum
>kills him again
>and again
>and again
>finally, CPU decides not to move the shinsengumi
>go to assassinate him
>ninja gets executed

Goddamn, is this guy Lovepon's great, great, great grandpa or something?

>>140796190
you can't escape fate

>>140796190
Who is Lovepon?
And Shinsengumi are the counter to Ninjas, use a vetaran.

>>140795703
Are you the cuck that got smoked because he capped Kyoto?

>>140794735
Thats Good to hear I hope you had fun

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>>140796190
>savescum

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>>140796190

>savescum
>wanting to be a mary sue

>>140796779
>44 444x444
Ebin

>>140796190
No agent mod

Never been happier

>favorite general doesn't get capped by the ai's ability to give a fuck about doing shit with all their agents god damn it's tedious auto-hunt monks when

>>140780590
Empire would have been good if it had been developed for a year longer than it was.

Everything is there for a good TW game, it's just that the game had zero polish to it.

Also, these are my main gripes:
> a whole countries represented by a single region
> naval combat doesn't really have a purpose
> towns don't grow
> too many pre-existing empires
> no slavery mechanics
> combat is ridiculously unresponsive
> melee combat is shit
> fortress battles are shit
> 7 years later and the game still runs poorly due to optimisation problems

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Tell me /twg/, is pic related any good?

>>140797927
>Schiltrom?
Shit don't use it

Lord please let Warhammer be optimized.

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>>140797927
It looks worse than M2, but could it be clunkier?

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>>140798017
Nah it's a game called XIII Century. Has mixed reviews on steam, but that doesnt really mean anything.

>>140797927
>>140798069
I keked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9OE1YkwHNA

What was the all time best formation for it's time throughout history?

Also where are my god damn tower shields

>>140793725
>regions didn't start with existing cities/forts
>the conquest mechanic of dropping in, fighting a field battle then taking in a garrison works better than manually right-click moving around an area like an idiot
>every unit has an individual commander with skills and loyalty
>titles can be assigned to leaders
>nicer aesthetic
>enough factions to make the game varied but not too many to create stupid alliance buildups and AI that can't empire build like post ME 2 games
>turns progress quickly
>you can pick what era you start in
>nice music

Literally the best. The battles also simulate combat pretty well.

>>140798441
Pike Phalanx in Greece (less so outside of it).

>>140798441
Pavees Crossbowmun

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>Mount and Blade / Total War mashup when

>>140798801
I'd rather not honestly, Total War is about running a country (and war) but M&B is more about roleplaying as a qt slut knight

>>140798801
>14
Eh that's normal though, biologically I'm pretty sure age 14-18 girls are best for having kids.

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>>140798940
>Roll around Japan as Daimyo with your squad
>Roll in to the climactic battle with your decked out General's Bodyguard
>Ride your horse around the outside of the raging battle to their rear
>Charge them from behind
>wreck everyone's shit
>zoom back out and roll in to town with the Takeda dogs armor and pawn it

>>140799154
I don't want it just because it'd completely break the game even worse than TW AI does, you can easily kite and slaughter entire regiments by yourself if you have a horse and a couchable lance or throwing axes.

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>>140799317
And there are people who play Korean MMOs. If grinding down regiments yourself is how you want to play I don't see a problem with it. I think it would be cool to see battles of that size with the warband type AIs. As long as you can fluidly move and make formations like in TW it could be fun.

>Bannerlord never

>>140799869
Yeah but it's retarded broken. Total War siege defenses can net you 750/6000 losses / kills but combine that with Mount and Blade and you'll get 100 / 10000 bullshit happening.

>>140799992
I'm okay with that. I just need to kickstart it

>>140800153
good luck

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>No agent mod
>Hattori starts with a ninja
>bro out with them all game
>they recently go unfriendly and break alliance
>next turn Army Sabotaged
>he already killed my monk the first 10 turns of the campaign

GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY DAIMYO

>>140799869
Have you seen the latest footage? Bannerlord looks like it will come out some time this year. My guess is late autumn

>>140800297
>No agent mod
doesnt this break otomo and ikko-ikki? they really need those monks

>>140800297
Whats No agent mod?

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>>140800416
The generals and temples do a good enough job for Normal. It's worth it to avoid the god damn agent spam

>>140800297
Ninja look so fucking stupid in Shogun, black isn't even good camouflage for dark places they look like fucking actors

>>140800616
there is a mod for attila, or was it rome2 that removes all active abilities from agents while keeping the passive stuff, I think thats the best balance desu

Playing attila

Are lakmids the worst starting faction?
I dont meen hardest, im guessing WRE are the hardest. but lakmids seem like they are the worst.
Subsidized peace gives me 500 gold per turn while im at peace with the sassanids. oh wait the sassinids go from being very friendly to declaring war on me for no reason a few turns into the game? I dont get it, im trying to be peaceful to everyone, not even attacking anyone but they all gang up on me randomly. what am i supposed to to give gifts to everyone to keep on their good sides?
I cant even convert to sassanids religion before they smite me down for no reason.

>>140801258
Giving enough gifts until you can establish trade and or a non agression pact, followed by a defensive alliance possibly. The AI will often make you pay for mutually beneficial agreements, so just haggle right back whenever they ask you for something

>>140801258
Sassanids are probably mad that you're being nice to everyone else. Don't be. Suck that Persian cock. Suck it long and suck it hard. Suck only the Persian cock.

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So is Rome 2 actually playable now in any shape,form, patch or mod?

>>140800642

You say that as if some acrobat throwing smoke bombs isn't fucking stupid.

IRL ninjas were just typical spies and assassins. The image of some guy with superhuman agility and stealth in a totally-not-conspicuous garb dashing and flipping around courtyards and castles, killing his target with alerting a soul, and dashing and flipping right back out is just a cool fantasy that somebody thought up.

Why the garb and acrobatics? Because someone who's dressed as a gardener isn't as cool.

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IF OUR LORD IS T'BECOME KING Dammit I overslept and now I'm late

>>140801559
but what happens is one of the other vassal states of the sassasids declares war on me, and the sassanids then decide to join in.

im on my fourth try now. last try i gave gifts to sassanids and their nearby vassal state like 3 turns in a row and they still declared war on me. like 6000 down the drain for nothing.
I guess i needed a stronger military presence in my city to make me a less disreable target. idk here goes another try.

>>140802209
I had the same thing, you just have to turtle until the Sassykid are fucked by the WhiteHuns.

>>140802209
Play a superior faction like Aksum or Garamantians.

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So Im in a War with 2 Clans and I just beat one half of the Alliance, but my main-line took some damage.
Should I try and go for it, sieging the city to stop reinforcement and wait for them to attack me?
I cant recruit more since im out of manpower.

>>140801570
Yes.

>>140802442
>radious
Figure it for yourself retard

>>140803153
delete your post quick to save embarrassing yourself.

>>140801590
The garb is supposed to be used during the night so its not really far stretched that it was used
And most likely some ninjas did infiltrate a couple of castles to kill enemy lords, which might have included some degree of acrobatics

Of course they were probably shit at combat, but since behind every myth and fantastical story there is a speck of truth I do believe ninjas were efficient in their tasks

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>>140790075
It's gotta be. I need my Anvil of Doom.

No agent mod has completely backstabbed me

Now I have an unkillable max ninja sabotaging all my buildings every turn that I can't kill

fuckkkkkk

>Can't cheat stuff in
what year is this

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>>140798441
"Ahh.. Nottin' likeah da seege to maken' a man feel likeah he alive-ah!"

>>140803564

>save
>do something
>try to kill him again
>repeat until he's dead

>alternatively
>load autosave from the last turn, try to kill him at the beginning of the new turn
>if you're lucky, he might get caught and executed without you needing to waste money and a turn for your agents

How to savescum an enemy agent to death.

>>140802586
Well, which one is it?

>>140803781
What do I kill him with if I don't have any agents?

>>140803515
unless they redesign it using the older miniature having an anvil of doom will be extremely uncomfortable

>>140803781

Same anon here.

Switch steps 2 and 3 on the first, and add "load if you fail" after step the new step two.

I have sleep on my mind.

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what's the correct difficulty to play this?

hard/hard?

also my new 980ti just arrived, I'm so fuckin ready

play order
-Grimmy
-Karl
-Manny
-Archy
- If elf cucks are out by the time, elf cucks

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Not playing:

Boring ass dwarfs

>>140801590
The garb was because in japanese plays, the stagehands were dressed in black, so no one paid attention to them. Then suddenly, one of them is an assassin who strikes out of the metaphorical shadows that are the stagehands.

>>140803826

You get some fucking agents.

>>140803874
Hard is normal
So yeah, unless you want handicaps play hard

>>140803505
>The garb is supposed to be used during the night so its not really far stretched that it was used
Ninja garb in media is almost entirely based on the garb of stagehands from theaters, real ninja's would've worn attire suited to their mission, dressing up like a peasant or a minor lord or some such.

>And most likely some ninjas did infiltrate a couple of castles to kill enemy lords
They did, but this was usually done through disguise and deception. It's a lot easier to kill some lord by pretending to be his chef and poisoning his food, than to scale a castle, avoid a ton of guards, then stab him to death with a sword, then try to escape.

Total Warhammer has been at the top of the steam best sellers list for the last week now.

I can't wait for the release butthurt.

>>140803787
Attila

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some official WARHAMMER music

twitch tv/totalwarofficial/v/63469464


16:40 - Elf cucks theme

>>140803952
What is the difference between hard and normal in current Total Wars?

I know in shit like Empire they just boosted the stats of the enemy units.
AI militia cav would beat your elite cav.

>>140803951
>No agent mod has completely backstabbed me
>No agent mod
>No agent
>mod
>Agents
>none of them
>Mod of no agents
>Modgentasno
>ffs

>>140804058
I though it was Sigmarines

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>>140804136
The fuck you say?

those are the best human race in this game, press F to pay respects

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Why does twg hate Attila?

Why do people still meme about Shogun 2 being the best?

>>140804385
not really insteresting time period

>>140804385

Attila has a boring setting.

At least Shogun 2 has the romanticist appeal of feudal Japan and the Samurai.

>>140804385
The fuck you smoking? Attila is generally really liked here

>>140804385
>Why does twg hate Attila?
Pretty much everyone says it is the best. People who don't like are mad that playing the Roman factions is a different game from usual TWs.

>>140804385
attila has the most variety, but Shogun 2, even in Singleplayer, is the most competitive with the AI, since everyone has mostly the same units, and even the trash can be relatively useful.

while Rome 2 and in extension Attila has units that are straight up useless.

Also Charlemagne has less unit variety than Shogun 2

>all the warhammer fanboys and refugees who will ruin this thread once waehammer comes out

Well, it's been fun guys.

>>140804385
The setting is the main thing I see complained about here with sometimes also about the city building aspects, sanitation and public order. Otherwise everyone pretty much raves about it.

Personally I prefer R2 over it, but that's definitely a minority view.

>missed the total war humble bundle AGAIN

god damnit

>>140804740
Embrace your END OF TIMES™

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>>140804740
I don't mind Warhammer people ITT but I still feel Warhammer deserves it's own general. It's just weird to see posts about Karl Franz and Charlemagne together.

Just my opinion.

>>140797854
>naval combat doesn't really have a purpose

What? Why? Control of the trade nodes and interdiction of trade routes was 100% naval based, without a fleet you couldn't get to india without marching through the middle east, and you couldn't even get to america. You lose more than half of the game without naval.

And yes, the naval battles in empire are the best ones.

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>>140805045
better than Age of Warcraft shit

>>140785489

There won't be any more historical TW games.

Total War: Warhammer will come out, CA will discover how much more fun developing fantasy games is and Sega will discover how much more profitable publishing fantasy games is and the next historical TW (if there even is one) will be canceled to move the resources to the fantasy crew.

The time of /his/autists is over, the time of genre schlock is come.

>>140804019
Every single issue will totally be blown out of proportion by butthurt history autists and the usual /v/ermin shitting up the thread around release, better stay away for some weeks

>>140805240
All they need to do is make fucking Medieval 3 and I'm set. Why the fuck did they bother with Rome 2 I will never know.....

And what fantasy setting could they even do next after warhammer?

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If our Warboss Grimgor is to become the best
Military leader of all the orcs and elves

>>140804385
Mostly the uninteresting setting and complicating the settlement management with a tedious balancing act, and poor optimization issues.

The Battle map stuff is pretty much the best in the series so far though.

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>>140804057
Didnt Atilla get even worse scores on Steam?
I assumed it was even worse.

Is it true that Orcs sided with the Empire during the End TImes?

>>140805381

>tfw no Total War: Suikoden
>or Total War: Rance

Also, LotR and SoI&F are basically inevitable after Warhammer blows expectations out of the water.

>>140805381
We have 3 warhammer games coming plus dlc, flcs and go on.. we will have 2-4 years of warhammer from now...

>>140789790
Luthor Huss or Volkmar for emps.
Konrad for Melee monster or otherwise Luthor Harkon, Lamia chick or vamp pirate.
Dwarf belegar for gunline or Malakai for engineering, (thou Malakai isn't a leader), otherwise white dwarf.
Orks get a goblin, I'll vote for the everpeak guy.
Brets morgana la fey and as a last choice either the green knight or the bard guy for some peasents.

>>140805513
>LOTR

yes please

>SOIAF

fuck no that's even more of a meme than Total War: Game of Thrones

The only acceptable fantasy total wars besides warhammer are LOTR and maybe, MAYBE star wars

>>140805381

2017: Total War: Warhammer: War of the Elders (Lizardmen, High Elves, Dark Elves and possibly Skaven are added)

2018: Total War: Warhammer: The Great Desolation (Daemons, Ogres, Chaos Dorfs and Tomb Kangs are added)

2020: Total War: A Song of Ice and Fire

2021: Total War: A Song of Ice and Fire Expasion

2023 Total War: Middle Earth

2024 Total War: Middle Earth expasion

2026 Total War: Warhammer 2

>>140805549
How good is Gothic Armada anon?

>>140805381
Because Romefaggots are insufferable and would have torched CA's offices if they didn't do something to celebrate their special game's 10 year anniversary.

Also selling the Roman era to normies is easy.

>>140803505
>The garb is supposed to be used during the night so its not really far stretched that it was used
The black garb is actually from an old theatrical shorthand where anyone wearing all-black on-stage was understood to be invisible to all other actors. Plus, dark blue is a much better camo.

>>140805473
Conceptually it's better. But it's still a buggy and unoptimized mess that looks like it's going to be dropped once Warhams hits.

Unless you're super into the setting you'll be fine passing it.

IMO

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>>140805505
mor elike Everybody sided with orcs, everybody just surrender to Grimgor and said, we want to become part of your WAAAGH, because Archaon is the best fightah out there

Grimgor as chilly as he is said, Ok then let's go and kick archaon's ass

>>140805627
By the time of warhammer 2 hope GW is already broke and some other company resets Warhammer to the time just before end of times, one man can dream

>>140805473

That was a knee jerk reaction. I doubt any of them actually played Attila.

Rome 2 plays like ass but I love the setting, Attila plays great but I hate the setting.

Ancient Empires can't come soon enough.

> star wars

eh, blizzdrones will buy TW WH during sale and a few months later blizzard will make a rip off of TW

>>140805553
>>140789790

>Orks get a goblin, I'll vote for the everpeak guy.

It's literally already confirmed to be Wurrzag Da Great Green Prophet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZHeF9XN-BM

>>140805627
You miss Total War: Warcraft

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>>140805627
>not Star Wars TW

>>140805704
Rome is fucking boring as hell desu

The only interesting real life settings are medieval, Nippon, and WW1+2

>>140804385
Everyone likes it as the replies have said, it's just that there are some inanely annoying issues like the unkillable pain-in-the-ass hun stacks and the annoying balancing act that PO and Sanitation does (because you now [have] to build certain buildings in every damn province)

>>140805723

>Blizzurd
>Giving up their pwecious intellectual property to another studio

Naw

>>140805627

You do realize the only reason we're getting Warhammer is because ASoIaF and LotR were too expensive right?

>>140805381
The Rome era is genuinely pretty interesting if lacking in documentation though.

>>140805832

Yes?

And now CA is gonna sell 3 games in a row that make gangbusters which will prove to Sega that the fantasy experiment was a success and worth investing more money into.

>>140805832
no, we are getting warhammer because CA had been bugging GW forever to make a total war game for warhammer.

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>>140805473
Fuck the plebs and their "muh dlc".Attila is the best modern TW

>>140805513
>ASOIAF
I can't wait for Dany's shit-tier mongol "doomstack" crossing the ocean when the AI completes some quest for her.

>>140805786

I like history in general. It's all interesting, its just Attila doesn't romanticize the setting like the other games do which when you return to reality its all fucking boring.

I love Napoleon, Empire, Shogun 2, Medieval 2, FotS and Rome 1 because they take reality and crank it up. That's what makes them interesting. Attila is just drab and boring.

>>140805795
>implying blizzard going to be alive in 2020+

>>140805879
>Rome
>interesting

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree

>>140805994

>Implying they aren't

I mean, if you can consider the living death they're descending into to be "life"

By 2020 they will simply have transitioned fully into a mobile game company.

>>140805694
>But it's still a buggy
I only know of 1 bug in the grand campaign

>>140805994
nah, blizzard is going strong.

>no total war: Runescape
>no gnome faction with insane hedge maze and tree defensive structures
>no gnome glider flying units

why live

>>140806001
How is it not interesting, it's full of stuff happening.

>>140806064
And then Sega going to buy them

>>140806108
The holy roman empire is much more interesting desu

>>140806090
Is Runescape even anywhere close to alive
Who even plays it still
gnomes were fucking great
>>140806176
The HRE isn't interesting at all from a TW standpoint, you can't engage in bullshit politics or do stuff like merge duchies through inheritances in TW.
>>140806149
>SEGA
>buying Blizzard
"no"

>>140806149

>And then Sega going to buy them

Do you think that them being a mobile company means they won't make any money?

You do know that mobile games are fucking ludicrously profitable, right? Where the fuck would Sega get the money to buy them.

You do understand that Activision and Blizzard are same company now too, right?

>>140805967
Isnt AI like...really really bad like in Rome 2?

>>140806271
The units themselves are more interesting, ancient units are lame as fuck, HRE goes to medieval and beyond you get knights, heavy armor, legit catapults not lame ass ones, crossbows, guns, etc

Plus the nations are more relevant to the current ones today

Idonno senpai ancient Rome is just boring from a unit perspective and a setting perspective

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>22 days

>>140805627
Total War: 40k?

Why not?

>>140805786
>>140806001

There really aren't any boring times in history. Civilization is a non-stop blender of chaos, politics, and culture. If an era seems boring, it's probably because you don't know enough about it.

Well, unless they're generic nomads who haven't developed a civilization yet. Those faggots tend to be extremely boring, as their lifestyle of spending every waking moment trying not to be killed by nature only allows for trace amounts of culture, like stupid drawings that a child could make. Humans are little better than glorified apes at that stage.

>>140806428
I guess we WILL have to agree to disagree then.
>>140806483
This desu

>>140806460

>Why not?

The same reason that there will never be a Total War: Modern Warfare.

Once you get beyond ground/sea travel and weapons with range longer than a primitive mortar then the Total War formula completely breaks down.

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>>140806460
>A year after Warhammer announcement
>There are still people asking for 40k and think 40k would work

>>140806460
Because there is an upper limit to the powerlevels and range involved where the TW formula works, same reason why Anime: Total War would never work.

>>140805473
Atilla has a a better campaign, a less generic setting and more interesting battles than Rome 2. Also the DLC has more variety to it.

It only gets a bad rep because of poor optimisation and because ancient era retards can't handle migrating hordes, cavalry that actually pack a punch and difficulty spikes.

That said, I would love a retrofit mod which put the factions and setting from Rome 2 into Atilla, just because the faction variety is nicer.

>>140806460
Probably the same reasons no Total war ww2

>>140806392
It's as good as it gets in TW

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>>140806460

>Total War 40k
>Campaign as Robute "Blueberry Master" Guilliman
>stand idly by as the Horus Heresy happens
>tfw canonically have like 750,000 smurf marines at this point
>create the Imperium Secundus as intended and make the Imperium Great again
>remove traitor scum

Feels good.

>>140806687

Shogun 2 has the best AI because the number of units the AI has to know how to use is so limited.

>>140806638
>generic setting
What the fuck does this even mean, how can an era of history be 'generic'?
But yes, Attila has a nicer campaign and is all around more polished and actually fucking remains a cursory challenge.
>cavalry that actually packs a punch
Cavalry is a little overpowered in Attila, mostly because it remains incredibly affordable and easily trained as well as effective.

>>140806460
DoW3 will make it redundant.

>>140806721
>Shogun 2
>good AI
Yeah sure mate, charging their general into YARI WALL is good AI
In Attila they actually flanked and set little ambushes.

>>140803787
Sorry I was away. I answered in an obnoxious way because it's kind of an obnoxious question.
Whether or not it is 'playable', or what defines 'playable' varies from person to person.

I bought it on sale about a year and a bit after it's release after having not touched TW games at all since M2. I found it enjoyable then(vanilla), which assumes playable for me.
You aren't going to get any good enough answer from anybody but yourself.

>>140803874
I was set on playing Vampires first but I refuse to until Blood Dragons are added by the updates.
Apart from them the Empire roster interests me the most but I randomly asked a m8 who I should play first and the result is that I'll be joining you in your first playthrough.
May the stunty genocide come swiftly.

>>140806460
Because that would work far better as a Wargame mod.

>>140806721

The shogun 2 AI can't even use yari wall.

Let me ask you something, when was the last time you've seen the AI use rockert artillery, blunderbluss cavalry, teppo ashiguaru/samurai, or any other units that is not samurai/monk with naginata/yari/katana?

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>>140806460
Because you have to switch to vehicle combat and small strike auxiliary infantry squads for half the factions while balancing massive cannon fodder Tyranids and Orks

>>140806750
I meant as in its a setting that's been relatively done to death in Western vidya.

Atilla depicts a time frame that's relatively ignored because it sits between the two ages that people know a lot about.

>>140804385
Everyone really likes Attila.
Everyone also really likes Shogun 2.
Shogun 2 is a more solid game across the factional board.
Attila's migratory mechanics are kinda annoying unless you're the meme Huns and stuck that way forever.
Also the fact that more than half the map is owned by three big blobs at the start of the game results in a lot less variation between games.
It's authentic but quite a bit more stale than the time periods where there are no tremendously large states established.

>>140806951
Im simply looking for mods that will fix the ai as much as possible for Rome 2.
I really really enjoy the era (and first Rome) but find its design with retraining units for replenishment and finite mercs too arhaic.

Post yfw m&b butterlord turns out to be a better total war game than total war itself

>>140807179
>that people know a lot about
*that plebs think they know about

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>>140805513
>Total War: Rance

>Leazas uses tanks and shit
>Zeth has a a Maginot line powered by magical-cyborg Nazi tech.
>Helman can field about 10 times the armies of anyone else
>Demon Army has satellites and shit and certain individual demons are capable of taking countries on their own.

>JAPAN uses spears and bows and arrows and shit

Seems balanced

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How would you change the generals speech?

>>140807187
>implying the collapsing empires and ensuing scramble to fill the power vacuum doesn't lead to different results

My main problem with Atilla is the same issue I've had with Total War since Empire: there are too many factions in the game and the AI can't handle them well enough. When you played pre-Empire Total War, factions would begin to get annihilated and power blocs would emerge. After Empire literally every faction gets locked into wars with one another and are still one region nobodies whilst you're a huge power that owns half the map.

You just never get the challenge associated with going up against someone of a similar strength.

Even the premade empires of Atilla are a little flaccid and collapse easily.

>>140807441
Swap Hattori for Jesus

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You were my vassal Hattori

Now you're going to be the vassal to multitudes of horse dick

I'm bored.

Anyone have any funny Warhammer jokes or one-liners?

>>140807434
Rance's penis is the greatest weapon of all

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>>140780251
>>140780292

Y dah h8. What do you play Rome 2 with? Do you play it vanilla?

finaly got that faction to work for me after the 4th try. the arabs one. anyways i was focusing on economy and spent like 30 turns focusing on that mostly other than a proxy state up in eastern roman lands i was entirely peaceful. got econmy roaring then started getting military buildings. then game crashed just as i got to my specialized elite cavalry and whenever i try and reload it game crashes again. rip campaign </3

>>140808406
Dunno about those guys but i personally prefer vanilla with some mini mods like
unit cards, liberation and diplomatic, music, ui etc.

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>>140806687
its even better than usual, the AI blocks off streets when it attacks your settlements to prevent being hit in the back, the AI in attila might be pretty bad, but it is still a lot better than any other title

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>>140785489
Total War: Paradise Lost

>Angels vs. Demons, with neutral human factions getting caught in the middle
>Game takes place on three different planes of reality simultaneously (Heaven, Earth, Hell)
>Battles in Heaven have a very heavy emphasis on verticality and three dimensions
>Battles in Hell take place in crazy ass locations like the Pit of Abbadon
>You can fight on Earth but causing too much collateral damage alienates the human factions
>This causes you to lose their favour and thus damages your economy because souls = florins
>Legendary Lords include the Archangels Michael and Gabriel or Beelzebub and Moloch
>Pope mechanics from M2 are replaced by favour with God/Lucifer who can grant you special one-time boons
>Waging Angelic Crusades into the deepest depths of Hell
>Or alternatively breaching the gates of Heaven with demonic hordes and killing God

Shit would be cash.

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>>140808290
Skarsnik once gifted Squigs to skavens, but they were so drugged they seemed dociled.

Once the drugs effect dissapeared you can image what happened

>>140808867
>killing God
Theologically impossible.

>>140808867
But none of that makes sense, God would never wage a crusade into Hell just as you'd never lead the FBI into prison to re-arrest the criminals there, and Lucifer is powerless to actually fight God and he knows it.

>>140808882
>tfw no squigs in TWW

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>>140809004
Whatchoo' jus say?

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>>140809224

>killing an idea

>>140779636

>Grail knights and black knights have pretty similar stats
>tfw Grail knights raped black knights in the siege MP video

I guess that magic melee attack does a lot

>>140809224
The whole point of God is that he's this vague being who is by definition teh best, by definition good, by definition right. If you can kill God, then you're violating the definition of God.

>>140804385
Apart from the setting it is pretty good.
It fixes many problems that were in Rome 2 and it did many things well on its own.
But its pretty boring for me to keep the Romans together or just torch everything with some barbarian tribe.

>>140785489
Victoria or something set in China, with similar expansions as Shogun 2.

>>140809665
>>140809665
But if God can do anything, why can't he die?

>>140809740
Death has no definition for God.

>>140809740
It's like the Papal States in M2. You can capture Rome and kill the Pope but they'll just pop back up somewhere else a few turns later. It's rigged as fuck.

>>140807549
It's not that the world doesn't emerge differently every time, it clearly does.

It's that the player's involvement is never really varied.
As you come into contact with them early the WRE and the first few separatist states are always the same empty garrisons twelve provinces deep with an occasional single stack wandering around.
If you want to settle somewhere different then almost half the applicable map is cut off because it's just the same WREblob.

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>>140809594

>similar stats

>>140809665
A God's definition can be based in the physical as well as the spiritual. You can indeed kill a God. You attack and destroy one of its underlying definitions within a society. This forces the belief in that God to shift. You don't end the God but you change it. Enough change and no original parts are present in the new whole. The original God is dead.

>>140810086
>a God
THE God has a specific definition. Yes, you can change him to the point where it's debatable whether or not any of the original idea exists in a meaningful form, but Lucifer can't walk up to him and stab him, it's by definition not possible to do so.
Polytheistic gods are weird with death and concepts so let's not talk about that.

>>140809704
I'd like it a whole lot more if it did two things:

1. A civilisation mechanic for barbars that lets them adopt a conquered regions buildings, aesthetics and units, in whole or in part. Basically make the barbs syncretists, where they mix the best of either Western Roman, Eastern Roman or Persian shit with their own

2. Make hordes make sense. I have a few ideas on this one. Differentiate between migrating hordes and armies of the horde, with migrating hordes having the non-combatant population. De-emphasise currency, using it only for things a horde wouldn't be able to get itself, as well as maybe prestige, trades and possibly tech
Have horde buildings become buildings in the settlement the horde settles into, with each migrating horde having their settlement as their new home.

Just spit balling here

>>140810247
>goblin doomdivers hitting god in the face.

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>>140809173
well it's more than sure than they will release underworld map with eternal war of Skaven vs Dwarft vs Skarsnik +Squigs DLC pack

>>140810247
>grorious son of heaven kill god and become grorious emperor of heaven

>>140810417

Warhammer isn't out yet and I already can't wait for the second game

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>>140810417
>fullstack of skavenslaves
>vs fullstack of squigs
>autoresolve
>result: no one is sure

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Tomb Kings when?

Can someone give me a few tips on the FotS campaign map? I'm not sure if i should be attacking my co-imperials

>>140796190
>filthy save scummer
>not taking the pain and getting extra satisfaction from destroying your enemies

>>140809594
they are lower in every stat but speed and melee defence without lances and just weapon strength with. and also have 1/3 and 1/2 the charge bonus respectively.

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>>140810645
>ridding your giant stone snake mount through the desert

Man, they are living the dream

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>>140810645
NOT YET
WE AREN'T READY

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>>140810653
Tell me your faction.

Also
>imperials
>mfw

So, are you ready for BotET?

It's gonna be released next week

>>140810653

>I'm not sure if i should be attacking my co-imperials

There's nothing stopping you attacking them and sometimes it is necessary to expand.

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>>140810994
This faction is awesome

>>140810192
Any such being is truly invisible to us.
All we have is interpretation, for whichever God is being discussed.
Gods are only an idea, interpretation can be shifted, like diverting a river. Fertile earth will become barren and empty.

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>>140811541
You said it.

>>140811595
The original line was about a Paradise Lost TW.

>>140811139
Shimazu

>>140810653
You don't want to be making it easier for the opposing faction by attacking one of your faction fighting the other.
But if say you're on the frontline and you have a hugbox of friendly faction buddies behind you, it's not unreasonable to absorb them. They won't really be helping the overall effort from so far back, and they can always flip and backstab you.

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>>140788456
Wood Elves start location was already place on the official map and the only unique skeleton/animation they need is for their ent-thingy. They're DLC sure as sure.

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Doing it bois

>>140812148
You think elves won't get unique models or animations?

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>>140809562
>he hasn't mastered the art of killing ideas

>>140812247

Please G*d let it be good

>>140808290
>"I'm gonna stomp 'em to dust.
>"I'm gonna grind their bones. I'm gonna pile 'em up inna big fire and roast 'em."
>"I'm gonna bash 'eads, break faces and jump up and down on da bits dat are left. "

>An' den I'm gonna get REALLY mean."
-Grimgor Ironhide
"Stunties hide unnerground and pansy-elves hide in the trees. Thas why I prefers yer 'umans. They builds sorta 'ollow rocks wiht 'oles for comin' and goin' fru. They builds 'em on hills where you's have to climb a bit, but at least they's in the open, where a lad can get at 'em. So you can lob a few rocks at the walls, bash frew the holes, and get in there to nick all their gear, wivvout wunderin' if the roof is gonna fall on yer nut or if you's gonna fall off a branch. I like bashin' 'uman places. Only they don't call it bashin'; they calls it a seej."

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>>140812404
Adding pointy ears to a human model isn't much work.

>>140812828
I'd expect them to look and move a bit differently. Even if it's a subtle difference.

>>140811732
Yea just go ahead and secure Kyushu, leave maybe Saga alive, but you want to control like atleast 80%
Fuck up the small Shogunate Islands tho.
Generally speaking its up to you if you want to keep other Imperialists alive.

Once the civil war happens you get a huge relation-bonus with them and they will be more than happy to end any war with you and immediately ally with you.
You want to become vanguard tho and you gotta have the economy to do so obviously, for that you need land.