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MGO is finally allowed to be talked about edition

>MGSV Extended Soundtrack
https://mega.nz/#F!1o8FTbAL!-lVNu5ReRDTcksRfHIxBHA

>MGO3 Info
http://www.konami.jp/mgs5/tpp/en/online/index.php5

>December Update Info
www.konami.jp/mgs5/tpp/en/news/update201512.php5

>NEW PLAYER GUIDE
http://i.imgur.com/LU9C0Bl.jpg

>STEAM GROUP
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/metalgeargeneral

>/mgg/ ONEDRIVE FOLDER
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=65254E4C501EDAEF!4116&authkey=!AMDti9C9NNjfhT8&ithint=folder%2cxlsx

>LISTS, GUIDES, DOWNLOADS AND OTHER STUFF
http://pastebin.com/qM3XwMce

>MGS2 SUBSTANCE NOVEL - NEEDS TRANSLATION
https://mega.nz/#!Y08iFCBa!Z3j3Tco4vE14mwwVJTQbch9Zo4SvZRXO1ntjEjn1JRc

>MGSV NOVEL - PARTIALLY TRANSLATED
https://mega.nz/#!U1NFzAII!4nuhjrIo8arMdb2Ref4dWRB-4CZ86Sp9QY1sYDnhVfM

>TIMELINE AND EPILOGUES:
http://pastebin.com/3m93ExcY
>CHAPTER 1:
http://pastebin.com/frkkvef3
>CHAPTER 2:
http://pastebin.com/7YMg9Gia

>KOJIMA'S THOUGHTS ABOUT THE NOVELIZATION
http://pastebin.com/JVZZxW1D

>QTS FARMING
https://i.imgur.com/19a5fFK.jpg

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lol faggot
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Taking a break to make some pizza. How are those matches going?
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Mgo isn't worth talk about
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perfection
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>>128693361
What is Ocelot doing to Venom to give him a purple heart?
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A-anyone want to boost?
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is infiltrator better than scout? I'm about to start an infil character
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>>128696096
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I've avoided potentially reading spoilers for the last few months and just got a chance to play and beat the game very recently.

Is online play a crucial part of the experience? Haven't done any of it yet.

Also, how did you guys feel about the fact that you've been playing as some schmuck and not the actual Big Boss? Kind of diminished some of the significance of what happened and made me feel a bit hollow.
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>>128696096
Who is that semen demon?
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The game seriously needs more hair options.
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>>128695717
I'm slowly improving, I think.
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>>128696438
It needs more everything options, to be honest.
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>>128696290

His face always brings this to my mind no matter what he does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apj5MX1vn5I
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>>128696308
I had your exact reaction, but the ending has actually kinda grown on me as I have had time to digest it.
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>tfw no Ponytail option for mgo
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>>128696096
Best girl coming through
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>>128696308
The big spoiler was done already in MGS2 though.
Swap Medic and BB with Raiden and Solid Snake.
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Sprinting fucking ruins bounty hunter for infiltrators
Anyone with a brain realizes someone is sprinting after them via minimap and you can't abuse S speed while invisible, which isn't that fast in the first place
The only time I get any fultons is after someone has spotted me and decides to stop running to try to shoot me
And because there's no objectives you can't count on anyone being anywhere so you can't plan an ambush or creep up on anyone who's not already fighting
My fault for not just spraying smg I guess
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guys i need your best "CUT CONTENT" pics
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>Match start, guy on the mic is really excited to give MGO a try
>Mach end, guy is mad as fuck, leaves
>Match start, new guy joins, really excited to try MGO

Every game.
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>>128696308
I didn't really mind that we played as not Big Boss
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>>128696584

They're dedicated soldiers that have no civilian life.
Why would they have long hair?
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>>128696308
How appropriate, I just beat it today. And I knew everything beforehand, but really had some impact. That last scene with the mirror was really well-done, and the whole thing about impersonating was really nice when you think about it, since no one knew how BB looked so whatever.

The hypnosis thing was bullshit tho


Now, the only thing left is to destroy tanks for Quiet.
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>>128696624
you mind if i dump a decent amount?
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>>128696723
>1024x819
>2016

Jesus man.
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>>128696985
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>>128697160
I gave away everything I have to be a missionary, let me enjoy this game while im on my rest :(
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>>128696827

>Meme Brown Girl
>Meme Heterochromia
>Meme Headpiece
>Meme Bikini

How uninspiring...
I'm surprised she doesn't have white hair too.

You're waifu is literally everyone's waifu.
How does this make you feel, cuck?
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>>128696985
WHEN WAS THIS? Keep posting MGS5 shit
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Jade Forest is already turning into 5 minute sniper duels where nothing happens
fucking epic
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>>128696749
>Now, the only thing left is to destroy tanks for Quiet.

Do yourself a favor and go with the armor parasites. You can tank pretty much anything, letting you fulton all the tanks easily.
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>>128696469
What class?
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Saw online earlier today, opinions? Good read apart from needing some cleanup which I took a stab at.

>tldr- don't be lazy it takes 2 minutes

At the end of the game it’s revealed that Venom Snake is not truly Big Boss. This is false. Venom Snake is Big Boss and here’s why.

First of all, the man in bandages is a hallucination. There is a cassette tape labeled “the effects of Snake’s coma”. In it is mentioned that Snake is still feeling the effects of his 9 year coma just after waking up. So, figuring out what is real in the hospital is tricky. Anything can be hallucinated so a good way to tell if something is hallucinated or not is determining if something seen in the hospital appears later in the game. This kind of evidence can be found from anywhere except cassette tapes since Big Boss is capable of hallucinating cassette tapes not to mention entire rooms and conversations. That fact means that the scene at the very end were Ishmael rides off into the sunset and the scene were miller regards Venom Snake as he and the “real” Big Boss are falling into comas can also be a hallucination. This is all supported because at a certain point in the game it is revealed that Paz is still alive. However it turns out that BB hallucinated all the conversations he ends up having with her, AND all the cassette tapes she shares with him and the hospital room they have these conversations in. Things like quite, the man on fire, and the third boy all appear later in the game. So we know that they actually exist because later in the game the effects of Snake’s coma begin to lessen. Ishmael is the only thing that doesn’t appear later. But he does appear in mission 46 labeled the “truth”. This is the mission were the twist is revealed. Let me assure you, this mission is anything from the truth. (the on-the nose title should be very suspect)

continued-
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>>128696595
Did you just say 'nerd'?
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HOW THE FUCK DO YOU WAKE UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP
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>>128697272
it was on the 2nd "motherbase" gameplay video
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>>128697250
>I gave away everything I have to be a missionary
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>>128697386
Kojima has been quoted as saying that MGS is partly inspired by the book 1984. One of the biggest references in TPP is the year it takes place. There are cassette tapes that you receive after this mission. Many things are “explained” in this mission, but it is totally possible and likely that these were all hallucinated. However these hallucinated cassette tapes are a good way to see what is going on in BB’s head, because BB is subconsciously creating the cassette tapes. One of these cassette tapes is called “doublethink”. In the book, doublethink is a way that the government suppress the truth. This tape is where most of the things about Venom are explained. But the nature of doublethink is not knowing what the truth is. Ocelot even says “in this year 2 + 2 = 5”. This cassette tape gets less and less reputable the more you think about it. Even the fact that mission 46 is called the truth makes it more likely to be the lie, because that’s the nature of doublethink. To say one thing is the truth when it is a lie. In 1984 the main character’s job is to change old documents so that they seem to predict future events. He fabricates lies from old speeches and reports. This is the case with missions 1 and mission 46. Mission 46 is the change that happens to mission one, reminiscent of the falsified documents in 1984.
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>>128697486
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>>128697386
And how do you explain the part where the GAME, not Venom, not Big Boss, but word of god himself, tells you that one dies in Sanzibarland and the other in Outer Haven?
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>>128697568
Not only that, but look at the character of Ishmael. The name is a reference to Moby Dick. In the book, Ishmael is two characters, the protagonist in the past and the narrator in the present. Ishmael can’t be the protagonist because Venom is the protagonist, so naturally he is the narrator. They are the same person, but they can’t exist in the same place, because Ishmael the narrator is older than Ishmael the character because Ishmael the narrator is telling the story about himself. This works with BB and Ishmael. So if Ishmael is the narrator and BB is the protagonist and they therefore can’t exist in the same place then this supports the idea that Ishmael is a hallucination.

There are so inconsistencies created by the end of the game. Consider this, how did Ocelot save the “real” Big Boss? He wipes his memory of Ishmael in one of the “truth” cassette tapes. It seems safe to assume that in-between getting Ishmael a ride and saving Big Boss in the van I don’t think he had time to wipe his memory and record a cassette tape. And why does Quiet want to kill Big Boss? She explains at the end that she wanted revenge for him burning her but he didn’t burn her, right? Ishmael did. This little detail made sense when Ishmael was just a hallucination. But if he was really the one who burned Quiet then why did she want revenge on BB? If Ishmael was really physically there then she would have wanted revenge on Ishmael not BB.

one more
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>>128697461
in bounty hunter? mash!
in anything else? wait for team...
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If I get GZ digitally on the PSN for PS3, do I still get the bonuses when I buy TPP physically?
Is it even worth it on the PS3, ain't got no next gen or PC.
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PLEASE tell me theres a way to mute everybody's shitty mics by default. I'm fucking sick of hearing these fatasses chomping down on DEWRITOS.
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>>128697509
I didnt want stuff, bad times happened. I just wanted to give my life to the those who may need it. I did everything I wanted already
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>>128697386
pretty much this
>>128697675
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>>128697371
Never thought the snorkel could be so cute.
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>>128697694
Finally, I’m going to talk about the last important piece of evidence. The Man Who Sold the World. The song that is originally by David Bowie, and featured in TPP. In the game it’s interpreted as there being two men. In the case of the game that would be Venom and Big Boss as individual people, when really the song is about one person. It’s about the man’s inner struggle with himself. The struggle between who he really is and the person he has sold himself as. So these aren’t two individual Big Boss’. They are the two personalities of the one man. Venom Snake is as much the real physical Big Boss as the Big Boss in the hallucination is. And once you understand this it has HUGE ramifications for the rest of the series. It explains Big Boss. He is stuck between who he has become, venom, punished, and who the world sees him as, Big Boss. He is caught between the phantom pain, and the best part of himself. So when Big Boss rides away on the motorcycle it is symbolic of the best part of Snake leaving.
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>>128697264
I'm ok.
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>>128697653
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>>128697675
Word of God would be Kojima, not the game.
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>>128697841
>>128697694
>>128697568
okay
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>>128697461
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>>128697675
>>128697825
Because they are still two identities. "Venom Snake" is killed. The theory isn't that BB is faking, it's that he has two personalities which are in conflict. This has precedent in Liquid Ocelot.
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>>128697865
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Why did Huey turn out to be such a huge piece of shit in the end? It's plausible that he really did have good intentions with the original nuclear inspection, but everything that came after is undeniably inexcusable and unforgivable. I don't feel so sorry about Hal sleeping with his step-mother anymore.
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>>128696827
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>tfw cant stop getting fulton punched

HOW DO YOU FUCKING DO IT
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>>128698019
Tape with Zero visiting. Or are we just operating on the assumption that all tapes could possibly be nonexistent because lol hallucinations?

Also the scene from the perspective of Ahab, seeing the declaration that Big Boss will be in a coma, or lol hallucinations again?
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>>128697841
I always just thought the entire plot was symbolic for the "Legend Big Boss" becoming greater than a single man can ever be.
It doesn't really matter who big boss is, as long as the legend big boss exists.
It's like the god of war.
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I just used Laughing Wallaby for FOBs for a bit for the points bonus, an A rank medium range guard blind firing from about 40-50m one shot me with one burst that happened to hit her.

She's kind of a shit waifu, guys.
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https://twitter.com/DavidBHayter/status/688122562094604290

Holy shit the fucking salt
my fucking sides
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>>128698071
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>>128698285
JUMP DAMN IT.
You can't get punched if you're prone, and if you do the leap you can hit them mid punch then prone afterwards.
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>>128697727
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>>128698412

2016 and he's still assblasted.

Goddamn he is an embarrassment.
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>>128698425
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>>128698412
Don't worry Hayter, I'm sure they'll call you for the Pachinko games.
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>>128698425
that's an unfinished R&D platform
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>>128698412
>>128698606
>>128698712
tfw I always think I like the guy, but then I realize I have no idea how he actually is and I just like Snake.
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>>128697841
>>128698354
Also Miller and Ocelot's conversation about Venom and Big Boss.
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>>128697712
Bmp
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>>128698412
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>>128698640
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>>128698979
Fucking burned lmao

Why can't he just let it go? He can be unhappy about it, but at least have some dignity.
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>unfinished content
>Mantis removes vocal chord parasites out of Eli with no consequences

This fucking kid is basically a god.
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who will joost play in kojima's game?
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>>128697712
>>128698882
You should still get the bonuses.
I don't recommend the ps3 versions though. They're fine but playing at 30 is a real drag.

You'll have way more fun playing on a toaster even.
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>>128698640
But that's quiets torture scene. which is in the game.
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>>128698354
Not claiming the tapes are 100% fabricated but that they're untrustworthy.

Do you mean when Kaz says 'what about him'? It could literally be the medic who just dies after? Not really of much consequence imo.

>>128698359
I listened to a discussion earlier on about people who were pissed by the idea that they just made Venom into BB through hypnotherapy and that it undermines the idea that he's a legendary perfect soldier. Nobody would disagree with that more than Big Boss himself though and the medic is stated to be pretty elite too. Hmm.

>>128698849
Venom and BB are still two identities. That conversation also raises flags for me. We're told that Ocelot will convince himself that Venom is BB and by the time you reach that scene he's spilling the beans to Kaz? It also still contradicts the timing of the Truth tape recording. I'm still snooping around but I'm not going to consider it radical to also take something Ocelot is telling someone with a big grain of Hayter.
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>>128699058
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>>128699224
soldier
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>>128699249
>it undermines the idea that he's a legendary perfect soldier
What undermines THAT notion is that I already have 20 guys who are better soldiers than Venom.
It was never about one person, it was about the idea of a person.
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>>128699254
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How much of the games shortcomings, if you think it had any, is due to the falling out between Konami and Kojima? Do you think we'd have a vastly different product, whether it be content, length, or quality, if shit did not go down the way it did?
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Sick of shitty connections from shitty hosts so I'm making my own room.

tags are "Rookies Welcome, BOUNTY HUNTER Only", im in US East.
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>>128699756
Why did they remove all the life from MB?
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>>128699756
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>>128699938
it was never there to begin with, this is a scripted sequence. if they kept this in the game, it would be the only thing you'd see.

can't expect anyting good to come from anything anymore.
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>>128699802
Oh, it would've been massively different.
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>>128699938
phantom pain
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As one other point for the Single Boss theory in
>>128697386
>>128697568
>>128697694
>>128697841
is the nature of the twist itself. Pretty much everything Kojima presents is deliberate and he values the concept of the twist. The fact that people accept the body double 'twist' even though it's served up on a silver platter from not just the opening, but even the trailers (and for the hardest fans even in GZ on its own) is pretty surprising to me, especially with the triple running themes of Man Who Sold the World, Moby Dick and 1984 also included and they take expository information from sources called Truth and Doublespeak as gospel. Very weird for the MGS fanbase.

>>128699396
I agree. One reason why I didn't have any initial problem with the body double plot to begin with. I like it too.
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>>128700078
why the long face
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>>128697727
Hover over their name and it should say what key to use on the bottom right, it should be T.
Not too sure cause I use a controller.
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US West here Sexualizer

I'll host sometime laterish with the same map-rotation/gamemode (BOUNTER HUNTER) unless you guys can come to a consensous of what you'd like.
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>>128699938
go back and replay [FLASHBACK] Diamond Dogs
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>>128699802
I think it's just missing ancillary things like that guy is posting.

I don't imagine the difference to be as vast as the internet believes.
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>>128699219
Even this toaster?
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>>128699802

The games story is complete and the themes are exactly what they would have been regardless.

All you missed out on was more filler missions.
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>>128700232
tried to alter the face to make a love heart eye patch but it's ok it's only Big boss
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>>128700408
>The games story is complete
>Eli fucks off with Sahelanthropus
okay lol
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>>128700396
Whoops
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>>128699802
Honestly, it'd probably be a lot more fleshed out, it's painfully obvious Konami basically wanted the game out ASAP and didn't give a shit about Kojima's opinion about it.
Either that or Kojima just lost love for the game and decided to rush it and Konami had nothing to do with it, but honestly the story feels way too thought out to be the case.
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>>128700581
maybe not.
My laptop is better than that and I wouldn't trust it beyond GZ.
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>>128700581
>intergrated graphics
jeez anon get a gpu
it can run on 5500
emphasis on CAN
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>>128700340
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>>128696827
w2c RAY helmet?

>>128697264
>it doesn't look like every waifufag's character in the general, meme!
>cuck!
last time I checked literally everyone's waifu here was white you nigger
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Since so many people don't seem to get it, you're not supposed to be able to wake up on your own in Cloak and Dagger.

That's why it takes forever in that mode.

The trick is to not get knocked out or have a budy nearby to wake you.
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Hey!
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How long til pcucks shut the fuck up about mgo? I want my general back.
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Does C4 have any use? There's not even anything you can destroy terrain-wise.
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>>128696624
you might get a kick out of this
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>>128700983
I usually use it for booby-traps or faking out the enemy.
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>>128699254

OMG. That iDroid is so much better than the one we got. Was that by the Dead Space dude?
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>>128700961
Discuss the game. I assume I've missed out on months of discussion because I couldn't play the game up until recently, but I come here and all I see is MGO pictures and people ignoring my posts. What do you think of Huey?

>>128698074
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>>128700983
I use it to take out choppers by fultoning a vehicle up. I don't bring rockets and missiles with me usually so that's my main method of completing Tank Unit side missions when they crop up.

Also it's fun to attach it to people you hold up.
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>>128700396
>>128700581
Yeah if you really can't do any better then you should get by with the ps3 versions.
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>spam quick dive during C&D inbetween rounds
>pick wrong class
FUUUUUCK
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>>128701125
>>128700961
Talking about MGO is way more interesting than talking about TPP.
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>>128700709
>>128701202

Well, never thought of using the laptop for games, that's why I got a PS3 for really cheap a while ago; so I could have all Metal Gears on 1 machine.
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>>128700745
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>>128701241
Is that so? Maybe I should try MGO.
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>>128701125
LOVE Huey. As a character, I hate him. And that is entirely the point. He's fucking terrifying, because i think he GENUINELY believes he's done nothing wrong. Christopher Randolph did a great job of portraying this really slimey character that you ALMOST feel sorry for but never quite.
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>>128701019
tfw 2 of my posts are on this.
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>>128701125
>>128700961
If someone makes a separate mgg thread I'd join it. It would probably benefit the MGO people also since we'd get more of the mandatory joost, spongebob and yaoi shitposting.
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>>128701367
yeah, at first I actually thought he was just some bumbling nerd who got dragged into the wrong business, but all the shit he did made me drop that idea.
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>>128701367
It went further than that for me, I just didn't believe he did those things later on and assumed he was being framed and just couldn't figure out how to explain it on the spot.

Not to mention he was totally right in telling BB that it's his fault for keeping a nuke around. And that Kaz is generally a fucker.
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>>128701485
What is this joost posting?
I assume you mean pictures of Stefanie Joosten. Is that really such a bad thing? I don't think so.
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>>128701363
Well, if you just recently played TPP, I can see why you'd want to talk about it.

But for the rest of us, that hasn't been worth talking about since November.

These threads devolved into off topic shitposting right around then while MGO discussion was shat on because PC players couldn't talk about it.

It's only since the PC beta for MGO that these threads stopped being rancid dog shit.
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>fulton someone
>no shots fired, but they somehow drop
FUCK THIS GAME
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>>128701626
Kind of. You can just go to /hr/ or otherchan. It's just in the way here.
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>>128701613
I disagree about faulting Big Boss for having a nuke as insurance. Of course having a nuke will run some risks, but only Cipher knew about it until the supposed nuclear inspection in GZ, which was thanks to Huey.
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>>128701741
What are suppressors?
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>>128701741

Going non-lethal in this P2P shit is a fools errand. Join us lethals.
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>>128701613
>Not to mention he was totally right in telling BB that it's his fault for keeping a nuke around.

Except, if I remember correctly from Peace Walker, Huey and Kaz were the ones who pushed the idea that MSF should have a nuke onto Big Boss.

Like, Kaz salvaged it from the lake and Huey strapped it to Zeke, both without input from Big Boss.
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>shoot laggy infiltrator coming at me
>he dies
>suddenly I'm fulton'd from a fulton punch from his corpse
>enemy team gets +8
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>>128701940
no one gives a fuck
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>>128701837
I don't have this on record in my memory, but didn't BB in both this and PW dislike the idea of having them and take the same "Fine." approach that he did with the battle gear?
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Wow, my combat team's level just went up to 132. What's the max? I thought it was 130.
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>>128701853
the balloon could only have been shot from the attacker's HQ (C&D), we were literally less than 20 seconds in so theres no way,

>>128701864
see above, hence the non-lethality.
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>>128701987
I do anon
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>>128701987
i do
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>>128701019
Y-YOURE JUST A HYPETARD!!!1!
STOP
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>>128701864
>Not just running up to a motherfucker and cqcing them into a fulton

>>128701741
I bet you run away the second the balloon is inflated.
Beginner's mistake, you should stick around and be ready if the balloon pops so you can pop a cap in their ass.
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>>128701940
you mean like this?
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>>128701927
Yeah, Kaz and Huey were actually really close throughout PW. I mean ZEKE was basically Huey's entire doing, but he let Kaz choose the name. I think thats why it especially stung for Kaz. Not just the abhorrent things Huey did, but the fact they used to be friends.
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>>128702008
That sounds correct. My point ultimately, is that Huey deserved a fate much worse than he was dealt.
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>>128702263
holy hell MGO is SHIT
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>>128702263
yeah except slightly worse

like it took a good 1 sec
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>>128702263
I just want to say, I've been copying your Ocelot Unit style with my female Scout.

I hope that's okay.
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>>128700549

They released what they had completed of that, so that is resolved too.
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>>128702136
lol anti-hypefag is a silly willy
>only joined the general after the game came out
>never cared for the game until someone got it for him
>never seen the trailers or gameplay videos
>comes to the general and calls us fags for being a fan of the game
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Leveling up after 20 is turning into a slog
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>>128702167
i didn't run, and i shot them twice.
thanks to lag, i got killed first before i got the other stun off.
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>>128702508
After 30 is when it gets real.

But you also get access to all the fun shit after level 30 so it balances out.
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>>128702263
I can't count the amount of times I killed someone as he killed me. Once it happened back to back 3 times with the same guy.
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>>128701927
>>128702008
Kazuhira Miller: You know, Snake, you're right. As long as we're "soldiers without borders," we're going to be a target. We need our own deterrent.
Naked Snake (Big Boss): We're going to be stepping into a lot of different conflicts as we roam the world. Each one unique, and with its own set of geography, ideologies, and politics. If we're going to intervene in those kinds of situations, we need the threat of a Metal Gear.
Miller: ...Unless we want to end up like Che Guevara did in Bolivia.
Snake: Well said. Our army without borders doesn't have a land to call home. We're nomads. Wanderers. What we need now is a sheepdog to guard our flock.
Miller: Right.
Snake: Maybe it's not the way The Boss would have gone about it... But there are places in this world that need us - and soldiers that need MSF. And as long as we're needed, we'll keep on moving. Ours is a journey that never ends. We're the real Peace Walkers
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>>128702274
Good point.

>>128702350
Well he did get cucked by his kid
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just got MGSV and wow! the boss fight with Skull Face is bound to be amazing

and i heard there's a chapter 2 as well? how can it get any better?
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>>128702724
Also got cucked by a dead woman.
Loved it when Strangelove said that as long as the child had her genes and The Boss' memes, the man was irrelevant.
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>>128701987
I am also concern. And I hope people realize Auto-match = Instant Immigrant lag.
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>>128702451
the guy that made that character doesn't play MGO anymore so im sure hes okay with that.
I dont have many screenshots of her but he made ocelots face and used the revolver and everything.
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>>128702614

This slog is why I'm not going to prestige for the stupid locked behind it outfits. Not worth it.

How bad is 30 though? I just got all three classes to 20. This 2XP though, doesn't seem to do very much in the way of increasing leveling speed.
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>equip cloak
>a full second later, cloak is activated

>get thrown by some dude
>unload a full MACHT magazine into him
>get shot twice by a sniper, killed
>it was by the guy who threw me
>he never even equipped the weapon
>according to the aftercam he killed me with a throw
welp time to drop this i had my fill and im sick of it already. guess ill go back to collecting the cassettes
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>You will never marry her
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>>128702954
>boss fight with skull face

would've been awesome until you learned he got rid of his parasites. he was unkillable with those motherfuckers. sorry to ruin your fun mate
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>>128703178
nobody in their right mind would marry a whore
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>>128703070
fuck off
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>>128703249
dude what the fuck?
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>>128703178
>you will never give her a bowl of eggs
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If I change my download settings on Steam, will it change the matches that appear on the game? Someone said something about it when the beta started.
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>>128703338
dry those tears joostfag the truth hurts
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>>128703474
uh, okay
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>>128702504
kek
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>>128697461
>>128697919
>boosting
>partner accidentally chokes me out
>don't bother mashing
>Let me eye close completely and press one button over and over
>QT lets out a sex moan every time I press a button
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>>128703419
Well, if anyone else is wondering, I just tested, if you change the download region on Steam, you get different results from the matchmaking system in the game.

>inb4 why ask if you're going to search
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why didn't skull face send the skulls to the hospital
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>>128702504
some of the hype went full retard though, like the idea that skull face was a hallucination and that chico was quiet
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>>128704124
this is a hideo kojima game we're talking about you can't rule anything out
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>>128704115
Parasites weren't applied in that manner yet, Skulls units didn't exist.
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So do helmets and vests actually do anything?
Or are they all cosmetic?
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>>128704252
Except Miller got fucked by them before XOF raided the hospital.
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>>128704294
In MGO all the Gear is cosmetic.

That's why there's no penalty to all the guys wearing swimsuits.
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https://youtu.be/alxN1i1GagM?t=2m18s
>this hallway scene was either cut or was only a promotional scene all along
Pretty disappointed, probably the strongest scene of the trailers next to that other one with Venom falling to his knees in that charred land with bodies.
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>>128704294
The only bonus to looking like an actual soldier is not being disappointed in yourself.
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>>128704351
True. I guess he didn't expect opposition from the Man on Fire. The operation was supposed to be, "kill this comatose man," so I guess XOF strike force would've sufficed.
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>>128704124
nobody is complaining about that though. at least i havent seen anybody use those as legit criticisms of or reasons for disappointment in the game.
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>>128704597
>at least 3 faggots in quiet swimsuit in every game
All of them are disgusting as fuck
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>>128696438
>no wigs
>jigglebone animal hats out the ass

This is suffering.
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>Guy invades my FOB
>Kills a bunch of my guards and causes a combat alert
>I stun him and fulton him
>No revenge wormhole, security challenge disabled

What the fuck
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Will you guys be giving your full support to Kojima Productions? What if his next game ends up being a flop?
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>>128704124
skullface dying in 1975 and big boss being haunted by the idea of skullface coming for him and growing increasingly paranoid is really not that bad of an idea

like, it's better than the extremely similar paz plotline imo
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>Snake Camo
>Literally 6 people walk right pass me as im prone
>2 of them get Fulton Cannon'd
>1 Headshot
>1 Bodyshot
>Continues to move like a Snake

FUCK I love the Jungle at night.

The Desert map is Camp Heaven.
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>>128704115
If Skullface died in 1975 how is he relevant. I want to hear more about this.
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What was that scene with Code Talker and his parasites about? He mentioned a meeting between container, someone talking about the Ocelot missing his mark, and when Venom asks him about it, he tells him to keep his eyes on Kazuhira.

It's not about the burgers, is it? Seemed way too serious a scene for a gag.
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What's the max GP you can get from a game? Is it really only 100 or am I just shit?
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>>128706105
Kaz was banging one of the recruits behind the containers.
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>defending on cloak and dagger
>can't use my fulton launcher
>but my teammate can use the cloak
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>>128706212
No?
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>>128706320
i don't want to be a dick, but are you new to 4chan? it seems like you don't really understand when people are just fucking around
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which fucking nigger decided i should only be allowed to pause and quit when ive already fucking spawned
i can't even ragequit properly
alt-f4 is faster than quitting half the fucking time
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>>128706512
I'm aware of that, just wanted to give him more credit than he deserved and assumed the reply was even somewhat serious. There are better ways to spend time than writing drivel in response to a legitimate question that can spark discussion, but I guess I'm expecting too much of this general.
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Such a lust for animals?
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>>128706906
Seeing as your question didn't involve MGO you definitely are.
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>>128706907

I want to drink bacardi from joost
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>>128700408
> The games story is complete

What happens with Eli and Sally, what happened to the child soldiers, what is the actual Big Boss doing while Venom is playing decoy, how does Venom become the villain we see in Metal Gear, how does Mother Base out in the ocean turn into Outer Heaven in South Africa, when do they go full nuclear.

Yeah, it's nowhere near complete.
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>>128706907
i dont get this meme
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guys isn't MGO gr8
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>>128706907
NIGGGEERRSSS!
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>>128707272
shhhh
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>>128700961
>nothing but shitposting and memes for months
>MGO comes to PC
>some people are having actual discussions or just talking about playing the game
>wanting to go back to the wasteland this general was post-TPP
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>>128706906
sorry, yeah, these have just all kind of been asked often. no one knows what the code talker bits were about really, which is a shame.

apparently the Japanese phrase for the secret meeting between the containers is used in romantic contexts, so that one's probably just fluff. ocelot's aim could possibly be a reference to his hypnosis, maybe him coming out of it and having trouble concentrating on motherbase because of it. it's really all just speculation.

the kaz one is pretty puzzling. I don't think it's just a reference to the hamburgers, I agree, but there's not much else to work off of.
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>>128707431
you shush whore!
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how is GP accumulated in MGO
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>not able to capture a point
>run and fulton punch a guy
>get killed after i get the balloon on him
>the camera points to a guy outside the map
sick
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>>128707504
>whore
Please stop this
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>>128707082
CUTE!
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>>128707603
Win a Game = 100 GP
I think.
Lose a Game = ?Nothing?
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>>128707164
>what is Big Boss doing
>how does Venom become
>how does MB become OH
>when do they
These aren't really part of this story though, it has no obligation to answer these questions since the details are either inconsequential or already explained sufficiently.

Sahelanthropous, that's true enough.
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>>128707603
By playing the game.

Unless they changed it for PC, Automatching gives you 50 GP for a loss and 100 GP for a win while selecting a match gives 10 GP for a loss and 20 GP for a win.
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>>128707603
automatch 50 lose 100 win
find match 5 lose 10 win

Sucks for me because automatch is BUUUUSTED
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>>128707504
just chillin here with my d dog
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>>128707779
Are legs better than boobs? This picture makes a strong case.
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>>128707210
during one her streams, she was trying to find out how to get to the animal conservation platforms and she shouted "such a lust for animals? zoooooo!". it was one of her many cute moments. you had to be there though.
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>>128707852
no one has this recorded anywhere?!
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>>128707850
They're nice... but men don't have boobs.

Miller fat-boobs don't count
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>>128707779
does the dog fuck her?
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>>128707684
make me whore
>>128707779
>she fucks dogs now
slut
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>>128707852
Unfortunately hearing her curse in the stream rendered her impure. Such a shame, she had so much going for her.
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>>128707852
She was only reading what someone already said in the chat. Don't overplay it.
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>>128707164

Literally everything you listed is either answered in game or in Episode 51,
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>>128707980
theres a webm with sound somewhere, theres video on youtube of it as well
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>>128707980
All the streams so far are on her youtube channel, stefplays
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>>128708050
oh you mean that mission 51 that doesn't exist in the game and only exists as unfinished assets and concepts? i see. complete indeed.
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>>128708050
but that isn't true

also the things answered in episode 51 are not part of the game
that's the entire fucking point of saying the game's story is incomplete
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>>128708245
Story's complete. Game isn't.
Known fact for months now.
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>>128708050
There's 51 episodes in the game? What the fuck? I thought it ended at 50? I need to play this game again then, that episode sounds pretty interesting.
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>>128708024
Shut up, cunt
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>>128708425
you first, dog fucker
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>>128708341
>>128708245
The Sahelanthropus is the only thing that would have been resolved by that. Pretty big I guess, but them leaving with it is suitable as a cliffhanger anyway imo.

Also wasn't the cut mission 51 at least included in the CE? So doesn't it qualify as canon, just "hidden"?
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>>128708425
SLUT
L
U
T
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>>128708407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4JIHh5Jqk
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>>128708486
Hayters gonna h8
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what does impregnating joosten feel like?
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>>128708486
>>128708530
Faggots
>>
I play as Naked Meme in MGO
add my steam my userid is /tapeninja
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Why is the smoke grenade unlocked after the sleep grenade for infiltrators?
Isn't the sleep just better?
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>>128708407
no
there was going to be more missions wrapping up the plotline with Eli but they were cut
they included a little bit of the cutscenes and some concept art on the collectors edition dvd, you can find it on youtube under kingdom of flies
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>>128708639
ask her dog
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>>128708639
a burning sensation
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>>128708690
>>128708735
okay
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>>128708673
They both have their uses. I'd say level 1 smoke is better than level 1 sleep.
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>/mgg/ LOBBY

Someone get-r-done
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>>128708639

Like heaven.

t. Her bull
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>>128708639
heaven
>>
why do you fags hate Joosten, did someone shitpost really hard with images back when the game came out or something?
>>
>Guy fulton punching the fuck out of my team
>They're too stupid to figure out how to avoid it
>I lie on the ground and wait there
>He runs around me in circles punching the air for half a minute while I attempt to tranquilize him
good shit
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>>128708931
They are over saturating the pussy
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>>128708931
Joosten is shitposting just like gayfags and chubposters
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why don't they ban for joostposting anymore
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>>128708838
such a lovely couple
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>>128708673
Sleep automatically makes them scatter. Smoke presents less of a danger, so using it as a direct assault tactic can be better if you're using CQC as they'd be lingering around if they're not careful.

Plus there's the addition of Smoke being used in the traditional sense as cover. For Infiltrator, it'd be key to use it properly in order to avoid gunfire or detection. It also works as a visual distraction, which will cause more attention than audio ones caused by Magazines. People will be naturally drawn to it to see what's hidden, which can be used to draw attention away from yourself. With Sleep's low density and clear gas, it doesn't provide the same stealth bonuses as Smoke. Sleep also only serves to give your position away easier. With Smoke you can be anywhere, but with Sleep you're definitely not in the gas unless you're an idiot.

It's all about tactics.
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>>128708245

Since you've already proven you have no basic reading comprehension or ability to pay attention to the obvious, I'll help you out:

This entire line of discussion was started by the question "how different would the game be if there was no falling out between Kojima and Konami or they had more time?"

And that answer is, not different at all, because the main story of the game, and all it's subplots and character arcs are fully resolved within the game, with the exception of Eli/Sahelanthropus - and we know what the resolution to that subplot was, because they gave what they had completed of it to us to watch and fill that gap. If the game had more time, we'd get that exact same resolution, just in playable form instead of watchable. It wouldn't have even been the final mission of the game, it's was another sub-plot resolving mission like A Quiet Exit but mechanically over ambitious.

Sorry, the fan fic in your head wasn't some great lost story that the game would have had if Kojima hadn't been fired. We got the story he wanted to tell from beginning to end.
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>>128708931
did you actually look at the thread? it's shitposting and roleplaying and waifu worship all rolled into one
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>>128709036
because you stopped reporting them
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>>128709036
because youre a faggot
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>>128709115
Take your own advice lmao. Look up "complete" while you're at it.
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>>128709115
So you're saying that Kojima, a guy known for trying to go too big with his projects, while having his project be impeded pretty much directly by the CEO of Konami for the past 2-3 years, didn't take anything out?
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>>128708639
>>128708690
this is my fetish
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>>128709115

Kojima can’t say much about the studio’s first project yet. “I want to create something that’s what people expect, but at the same time will have something new that people haven’t seen before. It will be a complete game.”

inb4 complete story incomplete game, you're a fucking autistic dumbass if you can't understand this

[ ] told
[ ] not told
[x] The Man who Told the World
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>>128709290
>>128709485
>>128709619
This is legitimately brain damage levels of stupidity.
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>>128709692
You are legitimately retarded.

Wow, look! I can do this too.
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>>128709497
soon enough she'll be doing JAVs with dogs so keep an eye out for them
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>>128709692
three seperate people are disagreeing with you, keep on with that fight for nothing against impossible odds.
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>>128709823
Nope. She's even 2pure to do nude shots
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>>128709925
yet
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>>128709925
i like you
keep up the joost posting my friend
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>>128709925
that makes me happy but also a little sad

love to see me some joost nipples tbqh
>>
Paz... had a hard life.
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>>128709925
more like the company that owns her image thinks she's more marketable if she seems pure to her fanbase
seriously i'm surprised they let her even flirt at the idea of having a boyfriend but i guess japan isn't so worried about making their gaijin models look pure
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>>128709925
she gets naked all the time for commercials its only a matter of time
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>>128710304
>i'm surprised they let her even flirt at the idea of having a boyfriend

shaved joost soon.
>>
would you accept joost's sloppy, ruined vagina?

I mean it's no secret she's been around the block a few times
>>
>>128708935
>sitting on a pretty hefty bounty
>narrowly avoid getting gimp fisted
>manage to stun and fulton them
>+1 ticket

Do fulton punch spammers run any risk at all?
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>>128710547
shhh no lies
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>>128710574

Much to our dismay, yes. The reward of +2-N is worth the risk of death.
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>there's no origin story for Genola and Gurlugon, let alone Mecha Genola in MGSV

What happened to full circle, Kojima?
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VIP mode when?
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>>128710708
>that low cut see through top
wow what a whore
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>>128710574
The dodge button which doesn't save you at all.
It can stagger someone running for a punch and puts you in a position they can't fulton punch you.
Also CQC a best, git gud Fulton Punchers
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>>128710547
>lying on an anonymous cantonese basket-weaving forum
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>>128710810
Think I'll invite her over for some "TV and chill"
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>>128710708
Punished Slut, A Fallen Voice Actor
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>>128710708
>those dimples
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FOX...
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>>128711056
...HOUND
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>>128711056
DIE!
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>>128711056
RYE
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>>128711056
DIEEEEEEE
THINK AGAIN!
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>>128711056
ALIVE
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>>128711056
You're that ninja!
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>>128711241
oh FUCK, I completely forgot it was called fox alive, holy shit that's terrible.
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>>128711361

There's nothing wrong with that name
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>>128711506
full picture please
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>>128711506
Should've been FOXLIVE 'cause verb
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>>128711506
>hmmm what should I call the virus
>"activate the virus "hot zone kill""
>no that's stupid... what about a variant of number
>"activate the "virus 66""
>no that's not right... how about the opposite of that old thing?
>"Activate Virus "Fox ALIVE""
>Okay that's good enough, moving on.
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Does this shit give protection/reduce damage or is this all vanity?
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WEW LADS
>hop into rando server
>have my sniper gear on cause freeroam
>see someone about to be fultoned out
>whip out my scope and aim but a bridge plank (Jade Forest) is in my way
>shoot anyway
>IT FREES THE POOR GUY

fucking lucky
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>>128712614
vanity
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>>128712614
The first time you launched the game they said its all cosmetics so "you can get your fancy hats on!"
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what's the most fun class?
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>>128712785
enforcer
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>>128712623
You can shoot through wood with any gun besides non-lethals.
This goes for almost every piece of wood in the game including crates.
When Walker Gear users learn of this I may as well quit.
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>>128710998
okay
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>>128712890
smells like a mix of dog and nigger semen
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>>128712890
God I wish I could
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Is it safe to buy shit with MB coins in the PC beta? Have a feeling they are going to fuck it up somehow.
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>>128713034
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>>128712995
How do you know how it smells?
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>>128712995
okay
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>>128713150
probably about 10% of the people on this planet have fucked joosten
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>>128713150
she's cucking me
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>>128712785
Infiltrator
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>>128708815
It's gotta be on the same coast or else the lag will be as bad as any other.
>wanting to play with people like "Such a lust for memes" (yes that's a real player i played against)
>wanting some faggot in full red who misses "muh MGO2, only oldfags will get my meme colors"
You're better off with auto-match
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>>128713227
okay
>>
>>128708931
>did someone shitpost really hard with images back when
they're doing it right now, are you blind?
>>
i wish people would stop making up lies and saying mean things about Stefanie :(
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>>128713160
>>128713293
>>128712962
>>128708771
that all you can say joostfag
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>>128713460
you're just mad you didn't get a turn
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>>128713460
Wow I didn't know there was 7 trillion people on the planet
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>>128713453
okay
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>>128713460
that's only one dick per second

easy for her
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>>128713591
okay
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>>128704742
Reminds me of TF2. Instead of actual cool and nice looking shit they fill it with Reddit hats and swimsuits
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>>128713034
If you buy, you can't use them yet. Unless I've been blacklisted.
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>>128712785
Scout or Infiltrator. I don't know how anyone could have fun with Enforcer.
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>>128713804
how do you have fun with scout
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>>128713447
Really the only reason they're doing this is because of the heavy joostposing going on, if it stops, they might too
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>>128706131
Auto-match you get 50 for a loss and 100 for a win.
You get like 10k for your first class ascension.

If you choose your match you get like 10 for losing and 25 for winning.
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>>128713858
shooting balloons, tranqing lone players, spotting, busting out the pistol and going operator
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>>128713447
it's how people cope. they attack what they cant have, it makes it easier to accept it.
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>play enforcer
>finally get scope+forgrip(what is standard on assault)

what the hell, when the christ do I get some of the interesting weapons like the bullpups
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>>128713920
your right
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>>128714008
>interesting weapons

haha
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>>128713920
what if my mom is stefanie?
>>128713967
rape her dead body
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>>128713897
Ascension pays out 10k for the first one, 30k for the second one and 50k for the last one.

You also get +1 loadout slot per Ascension.

So those are good reasons to do it if you don't mind leveling up a character 4 times.

You also unlock a class specific outfit.

The MGSV Battle Dress for Enforcers, the MGSV Sneaking Suit for Infiltrators and a Ghillie Suit for Scouts.
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>>128714082
then your mom is an infinite slut lmao fucking rekt
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>>128713858
Sniping and Marking. Letting the whole team score points for me.
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>>128714134
>You also get +1 loadout slot per Ascension.
fuck, i guess i have to do it now
what's the best way to get xp?
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>>128714008
Enforcers cool weapons are the grenade and rocket launchers.

And I don't think you get the first one until level 20 or 21.
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>>128714176
okay
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>>128713804
>I don't know how anyone could have fun with Enforcer.

Buffed explosives, a signature weapon that tears shit up, walkerfags can't touch you and the shield has a few neat combo attacks.
>>
>without allowing the man on fire to attack even once
Anyone who's cleared the objectives for the prologue, what counts as an 'attack' from volgin? He keeps throwing up his hand and igniting the trees which seems to hurt us, and sometimes when he's preparing to shoot fire and I hit him he just launches it anyway but misses.

Does it just mean 'have 0 hits taken'?
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>>128713967
Give her warm blanket and give her a kiss in the cheek :3
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>>128704742
I miss Urban Ultimatum so much
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is there a way to change avatar voice?
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>>128714295
Boosting if you're just trying to get XP.

That consists of Cloak and Dagger matches where you and a partner take turns interrogating each other and nothing else.

The best way to get XP while still actually playing the game is 99 ticket Bounty Hunter matches.
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>>128714474
this :3
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>>128714474
>that necklace
a pearl necklace is more appropriate for a whore
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>>128714515
Well shit, I guess I need friends ;_;
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>>128714612
okay
>>
Remove the fucking AM MRS-4 from the game

Foregrip + Muzzle faggots are shooting me from 150 meters with 100% accuracy like a laser beam
>>
Looks like it's not just open person spamming her face.
Better rev up those clicks, boys.
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>>128714476
I miss a lot of maps from MGO2.

Hazard House, Outer Outlet, Silo Sunset, Tomb of Tubes, Forest Firefight and Ambush Alley were all great maps.
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>>128714506
PLEASE respond
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>>128714673
Dear Konami, too many guns are killing me in this game, please remove 3.
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>>128714772
>>128714506
No.
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Finally
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>>128714476
Back in my day it was called City Under Siege.

>>128714710
>Hazard House
>Outer Outlet

My nigga! Winter Warehouse and Groznyj Grad were great too. Cold maps are best.
>>
I'm garbage at sneaking ;_;
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>>128714412
if he puts his hand up and you shoot him and he misses, you should be good

i think if the hits taken counter comes up, it's no good

kind of hard to say exactly what counts and what doesn't, unfortunately
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>>128714295
>>128714134
Is a loadout slot really worth it? Seems like 4 would be enough? Granted im already 15/15/20 with only 3hours played idk if xp to get to 37 is a big grind.
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>>128714867
>Play as fultoner
>Entire enemy team is Enforcers who camp one area watching all directions
I just pull out my cardboard box for funslides
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>>128714892
It's handier having a quick way to have a new loadout instead of having to go to freeplay and customise when you get bored.
>>
LMGs or assault rifles?
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>>128714864
Pretty much all the maps from MGO2 were fun to play on.

The only one I didn't really like was Virtuous Vista and that was mainly because it was sniper heaven and I never liked to use sniper rifles.

But then I figured out that stun grenades were pretty useful against snipers when you had to cross open ground. Just threw the stun grenade, wait for it to go off and then run across the area while they're blinded.
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>>128714884
Thanks. I took a chance (since they don't tell you in-mission if you completed either of the tasks) and I got them both. The replay tasks are so much easier. Unusual.
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>>128715182

I didn't mind VV. The only one I truly didn't like was Icebound Inferno, even though I like snow maps, the layout was just shitty and boring.

Also Bloodbath was just boring.
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Why can infiltrators shoot while their camo is on? I keep getting killed because some camo faggot is just sitting in a corner, and even though he misses half of his shots, I still can't fight back because he's invisible
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>>128715283
you're blind if you can't see invisible infils
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>>128715283
>I still can't fight back because he's invisible

Are you also blind? Because Infiltrators are easy to spot even when they have their Stealth Camo on.
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>>128715393
When they stand still they are almost impossible to see.
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>>128715227
yeah, I wish they would tell you if you got the task or not since it's kind of vague. glad you got it done, though.
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when are the shotguns getting buffed? i get pretty miffed dumping rounds into people and they tranq me
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>>128715589
Konami is too busy nerfing them.

The backlash against Infiltrators being OP at launch is still ongoing.

Even though Infiltrators are basically worthless at high level play.
>>
Are there any meme servers up?
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what are you guys going to do when mgo is dead in two months
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>>128715724
Infiltrators are a joke. There is literally nothing they do better than scout or enforcer.
What's annoying is their toys.
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>>128714710
Hazard House was pretty bad gameplay wise but the design was god-like, no wonder it was my favourite map by design after Outer Outlet
Outer outlet was just too beautiful but it didn't work well all the time, Tomb of tubes was so beautifully designed and worked great in every mode, Forest Firefight was great but unexpectedly short and Ambush Alley felt great with SDM and TSNE
I don't know why but MGO2's map designs were so characteristic and good, every time you played in them you would feel all the care and the ideas fizzling inside the map designer's brains
I think the fact that MGS4 was set in a more modern industrial world has led to many more possibilities being explored compared to TPP's setting focused on nature like sand, forests etc.
Anyway MGO2 had a set of killer maps and it breaks my heart to know I won't ever see them again
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>>128715932

Hazard House was fucking amazing for RES and TSNE though. Especially TSNE.

OO was great for TSNE too, that map was deceptively large.
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why the fuck is enforcer even a class in a stealth action game
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>Non-Lethal Aim
>Fulton Cannon and S. Pistol get me at S rank movement
>Adding a suppressor puts me at A rank
Does the movement rankings change drastically after a letter or is it more based on the weight? (i.e. 3.0kg S rank is similar to 3.2kg A rank)
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>>128715182
VV, II and RR were always my worst maps.

>no cozy SS, HH and WW
>no M870 to stunlock faggots into oblivion with
>no text chat to hear their lamentations

At least there's no vote kick.
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>>128715889
They don't have any toys that other classes don't have aside from Fulton Punch, which you can dolphin dive away from.
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FUCK YOU FAGGOTS WITH THE FUCKING SHIELD

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>128716390
I hope we get wigs.

I also miss dressing up my girl in the FROG suit.

Also, R.R. wasn't so bad.

There was just so much going on in that map.
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>>128716493
NO FUCK YOU. WHENEVER I USE THE FUCKING SHIELD EVERYONE KILLS ME PER-FUCKING-FECTICLY. BUT NOOOO, WHEN I SHOOT SOMEONE ELSE WITH THE GOD DAMN SHIELD, I CAN'T LAND A FUCKING HIT. YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I'M PISSED.
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anyone want to xp boost
i dont have the patience for this increasingly slow grind
why the fuck does a multiplayer game even have experience and levels and shit
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>>128716124
>Hiding in the vents of HH
>Never staying outside with the rain because the rain would reveal the silhouette of your character with your stealth camo
>Hiding in the Outer Outlet garage, between the various cars, lying down after holding triangle so that your knife wouldn't be visible and you would become invisible
>Waiting for people to pass by while you were hidden by the collapsed buildings in AA
>Avoiding the main route in VV because both snipers and people with machine guns would instakill you
>The whole stealth camo in general and the TSNE tension
>Now all of it is gone because you're never really invisible and people can just camp on roofs with a scope and see you
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>>128716337
pls respond
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>>128716493
Their shield doesn't protect them from being slammed into the ground.
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>>128716671
>Press triangle/Y and crouch
>It's now literally impossible to kill you unless using grenades or destroying your shield
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>>128716825
It doesn't protect their ankles when they stand either, and most Enforcers just run and gun while standing.
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>>128716767

>MGO1
>You could pick up the RES target as the defenders and move it where you like
>Playing on S. East
>Pick up the target and place it in the back room in the cabin
>Hid behind the boxes with a shotgun
>People come rolling over the boxes without looking every single time

All of these memories...
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TECHNOLOGY
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>>128716729
How do you do it? I want to level
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>Try MGR demo for the first time
>Blade wolf
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>>128717291
You experienced sexual arousal?
>>
>get killed by a gun
>use it in retaliation
>feels like shit
>go back to my original gun
>repeat
This is awful
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>>128717291
Why must I fight a chainsaw dog
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>>128693361
>90 ticket TDM
>host quits migration takes a while

WHY.jpg
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>>128717291
Did you feel it
and the game just keeps getting more and more hype as the game goes on
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>>128717252
We play cloak and dagger and take turns interrogating each other.
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>>128717393
Frustration that I weren't gud enough for getting the parry to work every time. it also feels wierd playing a non-sneak metal gear.
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>>128716671
HEY MOTHERFUCKER, I'M COMING TO SLAM YOU WITH THIS PIECE OF FUTURISTIC TECHNOLOGY.
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>>128717291
HEAR ME HOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWLL
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>>128717643
I'd be down for that

I'm in a-australia though
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>>128717412
>Everyone else's sleep darts are laser guided, heat seeking and never miss, and their camo creates perfect invisibility
>Mine disappear when they leave the barrel and my camo might as well just highlight me
>To get stuff to make infiltrator fun to play you have to play them like enforcers

Every time I play I ask why I didn't just go scout.
>>
>>128717904

git gud
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>>128716337
pls respon
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>>128717904
>Everyone else's sleep darts are laser guided, heat seeking and never miss
Remember this game has auto-aim.
> my camo might as well just highlight me
If you don't have Stealth 3 then Scouts with NVG can see you.
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>that fucking sway when trying to aim something not a pistol


I don't remember it being this god awful in TPP
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>>128718256
A is already pretty fucking fast
S is overkill
There isn't much difference so I'd recommend going with A
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>>128718256
I don't know but it is a good question.
Why don't you experiment a little and share your results!
>>
Any steam mgg rooms up?
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>>128716337
A rank and S rank are marginally different but almost all of my loadouts are S since I never run lethal, but an S rank will outrun an A rank no problem.
Plus you sorta want the noise, you can use it to bring enemies towards a trap.
>>
>>128717291
>Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
>literal proof that Konami doesn't need Kojima
>Kojima fans still think Konami will die without Kojima.
KEK
>>
>>128717880
NA East
It's not like we're actually playing so the lag hardly matters to me
I made a 2 man lobby, "Training room, Serious business only, CLOAK AND DAGGER only"
password is "dogpiss"
red fortress day
>>
>>128718679

Rising was kind of shitty to be honest family.
>>
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198043901802/

Hit me up if you wanna boost
>>
>>128718709
I should be in there in a couple minutes
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>>128718679
>Fans: "We won't buy your game Kojima!"
>Konami: *Releases new metal gear game*
>Fans: *Still buy the game anyways because it's METAL GEAR™"
>Konami: *Begins work on next Metal Gear game.*
>Fans: *Wonder why it's not dead yet*
It's the cycle bro
>>
I get bounty hunter is supposed to be a more action oriented game type but CQC is almost never worth it because there's a guy right behind them every single time and it feels like no one even tries any of the stealth mechanics. Why did they cod the spawns up so much?
>>
>>128718679

Rising had Kojima oversight over Platinum. This was while he was still head of Konami's console game division.

The real question is if Konami is even doing ANYTHING for console anymore, much less Metal Gear.
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>>128718679
Rising had a great gameplay for a spin-off but the graphics were bad, the level design was good only in some levels and fucking Raiden didn't even had lipsync when he had codec calls
Not to mention the plot was hardly something worth remembering
And I'm saying this as a MGR lover
>>
>>128719006

The spawns really ruin this game more than anything else. I mean, everything is shit, but the spawns are especially shit.
>>
How do I get back into TPP? It just doesn't feel nice to play anymore. I tried not playing for the past few weeks but that's no good. It's still dead to me.Anybody feel it too?
>>
what does interrogating in MGO even do, anyway
mark some enemies?
>>
>>128718679
>literal proof that Konami doesn't need Kojima

Except that Platinum took on the project as a favor to Kojima.
>>
>>128719006
Remove a one or two spawns from every map and I'd enjoy it a lot more since there's time to reach the fighting.
Also why would you ever choose anything else besides the little hanger at Camp Omega. All the fighting always centers around there no matter what.
>>
>>128719106
Should've been on the Fox engine
>>
>>128718679
Didn't Konami say they were not planning any more major titles apart from PES?
>>
>>128719259
Yeah
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>>128718679
Rising wasn't actually a Metal Gear game, it was a Platinum game, and Platinum is good at what it does. That's all there is to it.
>>
>>128718709
can anyone refresh me on how to search for american servers? something to do with steam download settings from memory
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>>128718834
Sent :^)
>>
>>128719259
Marks all enemies except the buddy of the person you interrogate. The marks are only displayed to your buddy unless you use the interrogation skill.
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>>128719330
Would have greatly benefited from it
Platinum engine is just plain disgusting
>>
>>128717291
I remember when I first played the demo. I can't even recall how many times I went back and replayed the Bladewolf fight.
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>>128719325
Playing there now and that's exactly whats happening.
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few months ago
>only 6 posts a thread were mgo related followed by "fuck off faggots"
>posts of waifus would trigger hoey to derail the threads
>anyone with any kind of rank would be called a faggot for boosting

now
>98% posts are mgo on PC
>over 40 of them are of waifus
>literal waifufaging
>openly posting on the general here inviting people to boost
>literally stole thousands of dollies from jewnami when they had the chance

I dont even want to say anything because Im not a hooey
>>
>All this Joosten bullying at the start of the thread

This is why no MGS people will ever come here
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>>128709034
But Kaz is so cute and squishy
>>
>go back to the am-mrs
>become a god
>>
>>128719584
we dont want those cucks here or (you) for that matter faggot
>>
>>128719615

It really is the best weapon in the multiplayer. It's hilarious how it isn't the Enforcer or Infiltrator default so cries of "NERF PLZ" would be ignored.
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>>128719106
>but the graphics were bad
That because they basically pulled it out of the trash after Kojima was through with it. I think it's actually pretty damn amazing for what Platinum had to work with. I agree with the story though, but again, i'd blame Kojima for that since we know it went through so many story changes. If Konami ever had Platinum work on the next game, and they actually sit down to plan things out, i'm almost sure they could make something GOTY worthy.
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>>128719330
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>>128719356
No, Konami already announced the next big Metal Gear is already being worked on.

https://www.konami.com/jobs/en/career/spe/mgs_en.php
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>>128719768
>Kojima worked on Metal Gear Solid: Rising

The whole point of the project was for his team to make them game without him.
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mgg lobby is up

pw is shitlord
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>>128719789

I really think the original trailers looked way better than what we got.

Just like MGSV
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>>128718679
Rising is proof that Kojima Productions is shit without Kojima and it has nothing to do with Konami.
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>>128719789
Man I really want a playable release of what this teaser had.
It could be 3 small maps with 2-4 dudes on each of them and I'd still enjoy the physics in cutting everything.
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>>128719789
I'm sure there's a word for the things that could've been.
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>>128719603
>hotdogs
>not burgers
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>>128719894
Konami also said that Kojima was just on vacation.
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>>128719693
okay
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>>128719789
Jesus fucking christ, this is beautiful.
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>>128718289

Don't bother with ADS. Most of the time the third person reticle is more than enough.
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>>128719894
lmao, only thing to come out of this will be some metal gear themed pachinko

fuck konami
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Anyone in NZ trying to play MGO?? I'm in the select game menu now and there's zilch, if someone hosts a match I'll instajoin
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>>128720097
I've been having the time of my life with ADS tranq pistol.
I think I got 3 headshots in a row at once at a decent distance.
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>>128720007
Kaz RABU hot doggu, baka.
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>>128719894
>the communication skills to effectively communicate your ideas
lel no more autists allowed, didn't work out so well last time
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>>128720231

I haven't bothered with the non-lethal stuff. Too much risk of being killed for the reward of fultoning.

Might as well throw a fulton trap out. But any traps I lay rarely if ever get triggered. So I stopped bothering and have become a YOLO SMG/AR person.
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>>128719923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op8mjKZxccM
Dammit Kojimba
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>>128719898
Kojima helped work on it when it was still known as Metal Gear Solid: Rising then handed it over to his team so he could continue his work on mgsv.
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>>128718834
>would boost if you would stop being a faggot and just make a room and post password

Alas~
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>>128718709
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Anyone have any sliders for a decent looking female? God damn.
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>>128720124
>fuck konami
we got a neogafer boys
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>>128720426
So basically you don't know anything and you're just making shit up.
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What single, small feature would you want to see in MGO3 if you could only have one?

>carrying bodies
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>>128720339
I said this a while back but, putting a fulton trap down then a box on top of it works too well for how simple it is, plush snares also sorta work but they're a lot less reliable.
If you wanna make plush snares work well with boxes I guess placing a box in view of a doorway with a plush snare behind the frame of the door.
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>>128720426

Wrong. Kojima Productions came to Kojima with the idea. He thought the idea of "CUT EVERYTHING" was interesting and gave them the go-ahead to do it while he had oversight over the production.

Kojima's team went nowhere and put the game in development hell (meanwhile Kojima and a side-team started to work on the Fox engine for the goal of Konami licensing the engine to make money).

Kojima then cancelled the game and called Platinum in to do a quickie so he wouldn't have to publically announce the cancellation with nothing to show for it.

Rising is finished under Platinum with Kojima only having a bit of oversight on the story.
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>>128720519
i figured you were done
its back up
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>>128720650
Weight affects your weapon draw speed.
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>>128720534
yes you are right anyone who dislikes konami is from neogaf
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>>128720650

Let you use DLC outfits and GZ outfits online.
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>>128720650
I'd like the clan system back from MGO2.

It would even work well with the emblem maker from MGSV.
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>>128720682

Yeah, I know about putting a box on them. But that seems awkward as fuck because of having to juggle multiple items (if you're playing infiltrator with the stealth perk you have to fight the boxes to get Stealth) and the traps still don't trigger.

I gave up on traps. Too much hassle for the reward.
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>>128720650
I'm torn between carrying bodies or the knife that's coming soon.
Probably carrying bodies, I will throw the enemies teammate at them until I am shot dead by the person I'm carrying.
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>>128720650
emblems
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>>128720650
a good game
LOL
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>>128720923
I never use stealth camo
Cardboard boxes are some of the most useful things and I've only just now started playing with them.
You can instantly cancel out a slide into CQC.
You can abandon a box if you're marked and it'll keep the marker on the box.
Did I mention sliding KOs people without tank+ in two hits?
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MGO is fun in short bursts but man, what a good engine wasted by such a shitty, shitty development team.
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>>128720074
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMdu_dUzjfE
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is this mgo shit gonna die down in a week or so or is /mgg/ gonna end up as shit as the gta general?
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>>128721458
Nah, y'all are fucked for a few months.
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>>128720650
frog suit
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>>128721458
Pretty sure it's already worse than /gtag/.
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>>128721458
>waaah people are talking about metal gear in a metal gear thread
>>>/b/
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>>128721458
God I hope not.
There probably isn't enough character customization to make this become as bad as the gta general. I've been proven wrong before though.
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>>128720650
Give diving a momentary cooldown/recharge.
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>>128721458
we need to fucking split into mgg and mgo so we don't have an entire thread full of stupid bullshit about an online element that'll be dead in two months

it seems mgo players don't care much about the base game and its story anyway
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>>128721673
I played 200 hours of TPP by itself, I'm pooped on it. There's only so much to say before turning into pure wankery of ideas with no backing whatsoever. At least MGO might have some new content.
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>>128721673
thats my issue honestly. The online element is barely mg related, and the discussion here would be better off on some sort of complaints thread on a konami forum.
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>>128721673
People discussing MGO in /mgg/ isn't preventing you from discussing the base game or story. I have 40x the hours in TPP than I do in MGO.
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>music plays after the game when you did really good
cool
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>>128721673
Holy shit lad that is some ignorance.
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>>128721673
The thread was just shitposting wars before the MGO beta.

/mgg/ has run its course.

Either let us talk about MGO or let the thread die, you can find other things to shitpost about in other threads.
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>>128722026
>lad
wew
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>>128722067
This guy gets it. Let me share this ebin story with you.

>Playing as my QT enforcer
>Get fultoned
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>>128722067

I wonder what /mgg/ would have been like if it existed during the days of MGO1 and 2.
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>>128722283
>Oh no I'm missing out on my Joost/fat Kaz/gay/Huey posting!

This thread was absolute garbage.

Let's not pretend that it wasn't.
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>>128722384
Probably exactly the same but instead talking about healing items instead of insane health regen.
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>>128721673
>/mgg/ splits into two
>/mgsv/ is nothing but chubposting, joost fapping, and other assorted memes
>/mgo/ is filled with talk about playing Metal Gear
>/mgsv/ still bitches about how the game is incomplete despite that four months have passed
>/mgo/ talks about their experiences with MGO3 and how it could be improved
>/mgsv/ only talks about the two MG games they hate and how the series should've died with MGS3
>/mgo/ convinces someone to add themselves to the multiplayer sheet during a revived movie night

Can't wait
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we need joosten to purge this vile thread

where da joost posters @
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>>128722468
>healing items

I never played MGO1 but there was no such thing in MGO2.
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>>128722584
on the ban list
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>>128722446
Nah youre so right, this is way better.

>Playing as my QT scout
>Get disconnected

WHAT A RIDE
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>>128722468

There were no healing items in MGO1 or 2.
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>>128720650
Extended customization
The current one is a joke, everyone looks the same with different colors
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>>128722578
you can help by making the threads :)
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>>128722670
>>128722643
Well shit, then I'm retarded.
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>>128722584
You called
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>>128722578
>>/mgo/ is filled with talk about playing Metal Gear
MGO is not MGS.
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Quiet and Skullface are basically guaranteed to be unique characters, how do you think they'll play?
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>>128721673
ah shut up motherfucker you were the same when it released on consoles and PC didn't bitch at you
pussy
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>>128722792
that's not the joost
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>>128722805
Yeah, MGS is already dead and you people are shitposting about its corpse.

MGO will die and we'll let it go when it does.
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>>128722828
>Konami putting that much effort in when theyre making money hand over fist anyway

Good one
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>>128721673
mgsv has a shit story, who'd want to talk about that?
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pcfags ruining things once again
l m a o
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>>128720739
Holy SHIT

Can you make the rounds shorter? I'm on edge thinking ill lose all this xp by disconnecting
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>>128722693
There's around 360 different character designs currently ingame, ignoring colors and the funky MB coin purchased stuff. Holy shit, that is fffucking tiny.
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>>128722918
>MGO will die
All I wanted to hear. Cant wait for you all to fuck off back to /v/
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>>128722828
Skullface would get his mare's leg and quiet the Sinful Butterfly.
Quiet would probably get cloak and increased sprint speed.
I can't think of anything for Skullface besides something Vocal Cord Parasites.
Maybe an MGR Raiden? The model is already ingame.
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>>128722805
What an astute observation. It's a good thing both are Metal Gear games and not both Metal Gear Solid games.
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>>128720650
The blast physics with you character going ragdoll and reacting realistically, the same when your character died
MGO2 had a great system but unfortunately it wasn't implemented well because many times his position in the map changed when the player got the controls back
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>>128722995
mad jelly, anyone wanna boost?
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>>128722861
Fine.
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>>128723093
I'd be game for it if you set up the server, friendo.
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>>128722584
This thread is full of smelly, obese, repulsive, dumb, lonely and poor Anti-Joost fags.

This thread doesn't deserve Joost greatness
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>>128723148
>pigtails
wow what a whore
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>>128722995
yeah itll be shorter next time. but for now i need to clock out.
only went from 29 to 31. holy fuck the amount of XP needed at this point is unnecessary.
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>>128723163
Youre technically in the thread, you know.
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>>128723157
>>128723093
same
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>>128723214
>only went from 29 to 31
jesus fuck i thought this was a japanese game not korean
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>>128723214
>only 29 to 31

I went from 22 to 24 so I think you did pretty well for a 20 minute session
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>>128722939
>>>/out/
>>
mgo was a mistake.
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>>128723067
My guess is Skullface could hold people up from a distance, cause making people do things is his specialty
That or something silly like liquid ocelot's fingerbang
Maybe a vial grenade that kills anyone that uses voice commands?
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>>128723214
When I was boosting a couple hours earlier I was around level 35. I only went to level 36 after about 45 minutes.
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>>128723240
I'm one of the few handsome, intelligent, charming, fit, popular and successful people in this thread
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>>128723434
>Maybe a vial grenade that kills anyone that uses voice commands?
wow thats autistic
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>>128723434
>infects a player with a grenade
>if that player runs to his friends they get infected too
>suddenly no one says "Good Luck" anymore

SAD DAY
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>>128723328
keep slurping on that nippon dick and believing kojimbles can still write :^)
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>>128723328

But he's right.
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Hosting a boost server with 2 slots

>Red Fortress Day
>Cloak and dagger
>5 minute limit
>Password: dogpiss

meet out the front of the fort and take turns interrogating each other for 500 points each time

when there's ~1.5 minutes left grab the disc and run it back to your pad thing
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>>128723510
How is that autistic?
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>>128723552
*slurp*
:3~c
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>>128723434
skull face's speciality is burning up. when he uses it a power line falls on him and he dies a pointless death.
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>>128723589
What an inefficient way to farm. Why even return the disc? Don't meet at [random location], either meet at A or B and let the attacker grab the disc, drop it immediately so it respawns, and pick it up again when it does. This nets far more experience.
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>>128723552
>>128723578
let's see some of the fine fanfiction you've written
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>>128723589
>2 slots
>>
>half of the map is covered in a constant spam of personel sensors
>can't sneak or fight because the roving bands of invisible white haired waifus seek you out
Fun
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>>128721260
>Did I mention sliding KOs people without tank+ in two hits?

Yeah, but on PC you'll send them flying only for them to 180 and headshot you/kill you quickly before you can stun.

Like I said: I've given up on the non-lethal options. It's nearly impossible to use them on PC effectively or be stealthy.
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>>128723274
>>128723157
Join the group chat and add Vaemas so we can form a party and then It would be easier I guess.
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>>128723683
> farming with 3 people
> retarded
>>128723589
listen to this fuck
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>>128722656
>being this asspained

Faggot, just go.
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>>128723785
big boss and ocelot are gay
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>>128723876
I can't disagree with you there. It's next to impossible to properly stealth around since people have been pulling off 180 degree headshots with sniper rifles.
Man that automatic sniper rifle is broken as hell on PC.
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>>128723874
Box slows scan and blocks it entirely when you're not moving, plus you can dive out to ditch a mark or lure in the scout
You can toggle it instantaneously and nobody who sees one actually shoots it, and if they do you can dive into grass and disappear forever leaving them an empty shell to shoot
Learn to love the box
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>literally just watched a guy jump out of my fulton with no teammates to shoot him down at all
i don't fucking get how awful peer 2 peer can be
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>>128723785
okay imagine if after mgs3 volgin was kept alive for 20 years but switched to fire powers and with the help of a kid psycho mantis tried to kill big boss a few times. then he walks under a truck and gets written out of the main plot, and dies of embarrassment in a side op. it's just a fun silly idea to flesh out the story of big boss haha nothing serious.
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hosting it again

don't run the disc this time, just spam interrogates
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>>128724648
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so with the actual confirmation that we will be receiving at least some DLC maps in MGO3 are there any specific areas from MGSV/other games that you'd want to see in the game? Personally I think an OKB Zero map or a portion of the Cyprus hospital as a map would be fun to play in, OKB would have a good amount of vertical elements similar to the motherbase map coming out and the hospital would have a lot of tight corridors and possible those side rooms with the draped up beds for cover and possible even the front of the building to allow for some mid-long range engagement on the map. Anybody else have any ideas of maps that would be fun to see?
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>>128724772
What do I search for? What's the password?
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>>128725000
>Anybody else have any ideas of maps that would be fun to see?

All the old maps from MGO2 we were just talking about.
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>>128725000

Lufwa Valley + Code Talker's Mansion
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>>128725000
Cyprus hospital is #1 on the list of maps I want

Stealth camoing under the beds and dragging people behind curtains would be fun as fuck
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>>128725000
Nice trips

>Codetalker's Mansion
>The outpost where you get Kaz's info in the first mission
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>>128724648
can't even fucking come up with anything original and you have the audacity to talk shit
l m a o

keep on hating, kojima and konami already have your money 8)
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>>128723589
needs more time

Like 20 minutes
>>
God damn I didnt know how much I missed leaning until I started playing mgo. Fun sniping battles are simply gone because you cant lean or get on your tip-toes like you could in previous mgos. Shit is still fun though and I honestly think scout is the best. the scan grenades are strong as fuck.
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>>128725161
>Code Talker's Mansion

I didn't realize I wanted this
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>>128725070
>Red Fortress Day
>Cloak and dagger
>5 minute limit
>Password: dogpiss
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>>128725000
Maybe part of the airport, like centered around the two hangers and the building, maybe Wakh Sind Barracks, or maybe even Da Ghwandi Khar.
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hwo do I use NVG?
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>>128725660
equip it
see guy in yellow
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>tfw after a math I always go and bury my face in a Bikini player's ass
>you're great!
>you're great!
>you're great!
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>>128725775
Do Infiltrator Bikini players get qt bikinis?
>>
TRIAL
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tfw
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Rate my waifu
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>>128724224
How come box toggle is slow and annoying as fuck in TPP but we get convenient and functional speeds in MGO
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>>128726020
What the fuck is that? Is it the same guy?
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>>128725909
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>>128726201

Infiltrators got the shittiest swimsuits of all.
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>>128725189
my internet is too inconsistent for that

if you disconnect you lose all xp, and after interrogating for 25 minutes you would probably be mad as fuck wasting that time

hosting it again now
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>>128725000
Could we get them to redo the Mfinda Oilfield map in a less shitty way?
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>>128726296
>having taste this bad
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>>128726201
Time to make my Infiltrator QT
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>>128726068
:3c
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>>128725775
after matches I grab bikini players and drag them around
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>guy is walking towards me not shooting
>immediately fulton punch him
>punch him down
>he starts shooting
>he's literally a dead body shooting at me
>die
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>>128726407
go fo it bud
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>>128725360

How about the whole airport?

This game needs some actual BIG maps, the maps in-game now are technically big, but sprinting and the fucked up spawn system make them feel incredibly tiny.

I'd also like a copy/paste of the actual Camp Omega, not the MGO cut up version. And a true copy/paste of Groznyj Grad, not the miniaturized version from MGO2.
>>
Is there anyone here who would not have bought MGSV if there had been no online play?

I wonder how much Konami spent (blew) on it and still do keeping it going when really anyone out there looking for an online shooter isn't going to buy MGS anyway.
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>>128726707
The whole airport would be a scout heaven.
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Someone join me already
>Red Fortress Day
>Cloak and dagger
>5 minute limit
>Password: dogpiss
>Meet at the fortress gate
>Spam interrogate each other
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>>128726707
I feel like bigger maps would warrant more players. (Which I'm not complaining about, it's so fun having to deal with little squads of people and squading up with people as well)
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>>128726707
>This game needs some actual BIG maps, the maps in-game now are technically big

They were actually too big, that's why sprinting got a buff during one of the patches so that people could actually get across the maps.
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>>128726764
MAKE THE MATCH LAST LONGER
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>>128726296
But Scouts don't even get good underwear, it's jut a square.
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>>128726618
>Some guy in a Walker Gear
>Hit him in the back with a grenade
>He kills me and two teammates, who didn't even manage to shoot him
>Suddenly he falls off and dies 2 seconds later
>My grenade is credited with the kill
Let's keep exchanging these stories.
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>>128726849
>that's why sprinting got a buff
fuck me, that's terrible
>>
>>128726849

What the fuck? Who made that buff, KojiPro LA or Konami?
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>>128725184
original ideas are easy to come up with. how about a game where big boss builds an army whilst making various strategic attacks to fight the patriots and plunge the world into chaos? instead of a game where "big boss" reforms child soldiers and saves the world from a deadly bioweapon, as a horn grows on his head to show you it's an evil thing he just did? or anything other than mgsv's minimal excuse for a plot? i got the game after a friend saw it 50% off, konami doesn't have my money.
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>>128726859
I'm hosting American players from Australia dude if it disconnects you lose all XP you gained
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>>128726951
>>128726936
It was in the first patch, I believe and that patch and all the work on the game since then has come from the Japanese team.
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>>128726736
No one bought it for the online play.
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>>128726707
The maps are way too big given the current (shitty) combat system.
Skulking about a map for 1-2 minutes out of a 6-minute round, only to die in three hits once you actually enter combat, would be horrible. A Snipers-only match winds up being exactly that already. You could play the whole match without anybody making contact. That one death could cost your team the win, and nobody would like that.
The entire combat and objective system needs to be reworked before we make bigger maps.
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>>128726967
>i got the game after a friend saw it 50% off, konami doesn't have my money.
>doesn't have my money
nig are you retarded?
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>>128727446
yeah it would also make infiltrator more of a bitch. sneaking up on people is only difficult because they're always sprinting. larger maps = more sprinting.
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>>128727538
no because my friend got the game for me, use your head.
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>>128727202
Here are some patch notes I found for you guys so you can see what was changed and when.

http://www.konami.jp/mgs_portal/jp/info/?id=720

http://www.konami.jp/mgs_portal/jp/info/?id=771
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Is there any way to CQC someone into a stun as anyone but Infiltrator?
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peer 2 peer
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>>128727908
You can grab them in a hold and choke them
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NEW PYTHONSELKAN ANALYSIS VIDEO WHEN?
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>>128726967
>how about a game where big boss builds an army whilst making various strategic attacks to fight the patriots and plunge the world into chaos?
how incredibly vague and wonderful writing
might as well have said "how about a game where big boss does things and causes chaos?"

send your resume to konami i want you working on the next metal gear pachinko :)
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>>128727991
Why do you guys play this? Just get blops or something
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>>128728164
i do have blops

but there are no good servers
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how do I headshot?
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>>128728164
just pcfags healing their anal devastation because they finally got mgo, thread will normalize in a month
>>
>>128728097
clutching at straws
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>>128728323
Aim at the brainspace and hope lag favors you
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starting this.
What am I in for?
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>>128728323
cqc salami and then headshot
or sneak behind a scout sniping and the headshot
>>128728448
RULES OF NATURE
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>>128728349
>w-where's my console war discussion?
>>>/v/
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>>128728323
Aim for the legs.
Due to the MGO netcode the person you're shooting at will be hit in the head on the third shot.
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>>128728448
Hype.
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>>128728448
You're in for a rousing game of Metaru Gia Raijingu: Ribenjensu
There's some memes you'll want to spew afterward, but consider the following: They're good memes.
>>
>>128728448
Bad story
Good boss fights
Good music
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>>128728517
mgo is shit on consoles too tho
>>
>>128728358
>how about a game where big boss builds an army whilst making various strategic attacks to fight the patriots and plunge the world into chaos?
10/10 writing my man please give us more "original ideas" that are so vague they can literally mean anything
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>>128728448
Fun that you're not technically allowed to have by mgg rules.
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>>128728581
>They're good memes
hehehe
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>>128728448
Fun gameplay. That's it.
>>
Love Theme
Sins of the Father
Calling to the Night
Best Is Yet to Come
Heavens Divide
Snake Eater
The War Still Rages Within
Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday


From best to worst.
I got it sorted right?
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>>128729027
no
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>>128728089
What could they be up to?
>>
>all these people that didn't like MGR's story
I thought they did a pretty good job.
>>
>>128729141
much better story than TPP.
>>
>Somebody with a voice changer
Is it a girl or an underage kid?
>>
Sins of the Father
Heavens Divide
Snake Eater
Calling to the Night
Best is Yet to Come
Love Theme
Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday
>>
nice work
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>>128728620
Are the console players allowed to pause the game and disconnect inbetween rounds?
It turns out that on PC I can't even pause to ragequit when I'm dead.
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>>128729398
yes.
we need to hold down the pause button for a whole second before it brings up the options and leave match screen
>>
>>128728498
I thought I could use PSmove on this game, but it appears not. The box doesn't mention it either. Have I been duped?
>>
>>128729681
wtf lol
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>>128729681
w-where you thinking of getting rid of your plastic popsicle?
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So anyone wanna boost?
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iDroid VA > Quiet VA
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>>128729378
copy
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>>128729927
Literal Excrement >>>>>> iDroid VA = Quiet VA
>>
what's the best bdu camo to use
>>
So I just got finished playing through Metal Gear Acid 1 and 2, and while 1 wasn't all the great, I was shocked by how great of a game 2 was. Remind me again why the Metal Gear fandom don't care for the Acid series again? For being spinoffs i'd go so far as to say that they're the best written Metal Gear games we've had since mgs3.
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>>128729681
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>>128729897
No, I picked it (and MGR) up for ridiculously cheap.
I have a few other games that are PSMove compatable, and I had the old demo that said it was PSmove compatable. But it doesn't seem to work.
>>
>>128730075
Depends on the map, really. I wish we had multiple gear setups per character so I could have them blend in better.
>>
>>128729927
Donna I know you're Aussie and everything but please stop shitposting.

Also release episode 3 please :3
>>
>>128730124
Because almost no one has played them, especially in mgg.
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>>128729898
I do

steam name ramzi
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fulton punch + camo + naked otherwise is literally the best meme
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>>128730075
Tigerstripe or the american desert camouflage
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>>128730192
looking it up, it seems they thought they were gonna make it compatable, put out an demo vid of it, but never finished it. That sucks.
>>
>he doesn't use MGS3 THE BOSS as the soundtrack for every match
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>>128730124
I think the only reason people don't care for them in the slightest is due to the fact that they're so non canon, it's hard to even see them as metal gear games in the first place. I agree though. The plots for both(2 especially) are pretty damn good. Not to mention the character designs.
>>
>he uses any weapon besides CQC
>>
Why do all of the MGO weapons feel like shit? They never feel like you are actually doing any fucking damage at all.

It's either lag or the am mrs71 takes more than 4 hits to kill someone with it.
>>
>>128730490
>submitting to p2p bullshit for 6000xp per match
>>
>>128730490
>690+ posts in thread
>500+ are about mgo
>350+ are complaining about it
>>
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>>128726201
Shit taste
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>>128728632
this is the tired old argument along the lines of saying every film critic has to be a qualified filmmaker. it doesn't take shakespeare to see mgsv's plot has gaping flaws. sorry this offends you.
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>>128730124
Metal Gear Acid 2 is actually my overall favorite Metal Gear game. It's a shame not many people have played.

Not to mention it's literally mgsv's story done right.
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>>128730640
Jesus, looks like i need to start playing mgo again
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>>128730462
>he doesn't exclusively headshot people with magazine tosses
>>
>>128729141

The story was basically 'shit that happened to raiden' and purely inconsequential honestly. I mean it wasnt bad, it wasnt good, it was simply there.

Better than TPP, but thats not saying much.
>>
>>128730124
People see "card based" and "non-canon" and shun it immediately. Really the gameplay ranges from okay to great, and the story is excellent. It enjoys the freedom to do something fun and different with the franchise and succeeds.
>>
>hosting boost
>forget to set password
>some guy joins
>1st round
>runs up to me and headshots me with tranq pistol
>ROUND OVER
>2nd round
>sprints up to me and chokes me out
>ROUND OVER
>g-good game
>gain like 3k xp
>>
>>128730490
>Thinking a leveling system in a multiplayer shooter is something that's worth defending
>>
Man, it gets a little boring playing the same three gamemodes
>>
>>128730906
yeah Rising's main plotline is barely memorable but the characters and dialogue really make it shine
>>
>attack fob
>defender joins
>it's a hacker
>just stands in the open as I shoot him in the head 10 times
>nothing happens

Fucking gayest shit ever.
>>
>>128731224
That's what you get for attacking, faggot.
>>
>>128731224
get good
>>
>>128731224
>he alerts the defender
>>
>waifu shitter with a bikini
>even has "waifu" in his name
>also memespewing
I know its one of you faggots.
Whomever it is, kill yourself.
>>
>>128731224
PC Master Race though r-right?
>>
>>128730561
>>128730615
>>128731027
>Thinking suddenly its okay because we get to do it now
>>
>>128731560
>literally impossible to completely ghost without even a soft alert
>>128731403
im trying anon. One day Ill be able to kill invincible people
>>128731367
>literally the game
>>
>>128731649
me lol
>>
>>128730231
There are 200k Results for Ramzi
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>>128731662
I'm glad I'm playing on PC, where righteous hackers exist to fuck shitters like >>128731224 up.
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>>128731732
>literally impossible
Crawl with Square Camo and use magazines.
Practice on your own FOB till you get used to it and you'll find it easy eventually.
>>
Anyone feel like boosting for a bit?
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>>128731814
http://steamcommunity.com/id/9324704239870423/
>>
Haven't encountered any hackers so far, no idea why people overreact if it's just one match they run into.

They could also be bad and blame it on cheats.
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>>128731941
I will, steam name? (thats not generic and has thousands of clones hopefuly?)
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>>128731941
join me you fuck

cloak and dagger, red fortress day, password dogpiss, interrogate each other until time is up
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>>128732101
Just post a link to your profile and I'll add you
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>>128732164
Not even going to ask about the password, but I joined.
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Is my pornfu ready for bikini purchase or should I delete her and make another?
Came out more Angelena Jolie than I was expecting
>>
Has PC MGO resulted in ERP yet?
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>>128723876
>>128724103
I've said it before an I'll say it again, kb+M should be disabled on MGO
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>>128732354
>that haircut

What a dyke.
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>>128732369
>You're great!
>You're great!
>You're great!
>You coming?
>Come with me!
>Thank you!
>>
>>128732384
what's wrong with kb+m? you shit?
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>>128732354
Waifu-fags are killing my operating operations
>>
Hey Ramzi if you're reading this you can pick up the disc and drop it for even more xp
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>>128720650
Overhang aiming and drop to ledge
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>>128730008
okay
>>
Maaaaan, fucker stole ramzi. I aint got anyone to boost with
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>>128732639
I agree, we need more husbandofags.
>>
>>128720650
futa
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>>128720650
A good netcode
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>>128731902
have you not been following along? I was dealing with a hacking defender. Not just a regular fob.

I >>128731901
I swear faggots don't know how to read here.
>>
>>128732619
It literally breaks the game, asshat.
The game wasn't desinged around it, snipers and turrets are completely broken because of it, you can even tell from the sound designed they never meant for turrets to be able to spin that quickly.
>>
>>128720650
futa
>>
why is the dam basement so fucking foggy?
>>
>>128732907
>It literally breaks the game, asshat.
no it doesn't

you're just shit
>>
>>128720650
Remove the class restrictions on Shotguns, I don't understand why an enforcer can't use that shit
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>>128732834
He said 'small'.
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>>128732639
>basic, practical gear
based a/f
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>>128730404
>decided to use MGR MOONSOON on bounty hounter
>End up dominating for over 17 matches after that.
even managed to get good at fultoning and everything
at which level does enforcer unlocks the scope?
>>
>>128732896
>I was dealing with a hacking defender. Not just a regular fob.
So what? Even a hacking defender can't join if you don't trigger the alert. Defenders can only join if you kill/fulton their staff or destroy security devices. If you don't do that, they won't even know you're there or defend, so they won't be an issue.
>>
>>128732484
It was either that or meme cut, I'll buy a wig when they put them out
>>
>>128732639
shouldn't you be on a fishing trip instead
>>
>>128732951
Fuck off, retard, I literally posted examples.
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>>128733064
fuck off, shitter
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>>128732896
>I swear faggots don't know how to read here.
like yourself
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>>128732639
MGO isn't a commercial fisherman sim, gramps.
>>
>>128731732
Who gives a shit if it's part of the game?
It's scummy
>>128732354
>bikini
Fuck off
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>>128733064
DUDE
LITERALLY
LMAO

I've been using the turret and it still moves slow when you need precision shots.
The turret is fine.

Next you'll tell me WASD+E is broken because you can use your mouse to wake up faster.
>>
>>128733032
I know, I just like giving everybody shit about their waifu's haircut because I know all the options are shit.

If they pick any of the short hair options I call it a dyke cut and if they pick the longest hair option available then I say they have grandma hair.

I've been doing this since MGO first dropped for consoles and people started posting their characters but apparently nobody noticed.
>>
>>128732907
>sit in turret
>spin and shoot
>muzzle flare and holstered gun can't even keep up with model
working as intended
>>
Is there any way to rename your first slot character? would changing my steam name work?
>>
>>128733128
Fuck off, retard; get good with a gamepad.>>128733213
>I've been using the turret and it still moves slow when you need precision shots.
Only when you move it slowly, otherwise it suffers insanr mouse acceleration.

Jesus Christ why can't you idiots accept that not all games were meant to be played with kb+m?
>>
>>128733374
yeah
>>
>>128732639
"Hey Dr. Freeman, it's you!"
>>
>>128733031
please show me one video of you going through an FOB without having to fire your weapon on shooting a UAV or camera.

Please, I would love to see it.

Until then shut your faggot mouth. You literally can't.
>>
>>128733374
You mean your TPP avatar?
replay the first level. you re-enter a name and birthday.
>>
>>128733392
fuck off shitter, I'm not buying a controller just to play a fucking game on PC

get a fucking xbone or ps4 if you don't want kb+m
>>
>>128733260
>attacking FOBs
>LITERALLY the only way to get the good ending of disarming nukes

Holy shit you're fucking retarded.
>>
>>128701019
Fuck everything.
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it's so hard to make just regular-ass soldiers and not over the top gi joe action figures
more regular bdu options when
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>>128733509
Fuck off, if you're not going to buy a gamepad don't bother playing games at all.
>>
>>128733427
>without having to fire your weapon
You can though. You can knock out guards, just not fulton/kill them.
As for cameras, just throw a smoke grenade in front of them and you become literally invisible.
UAVs are blind as shit, if you enter stealth mode they'll fuck off after two seconds.
>>
>>128733619
>you're not going to buy a gamepad don't bother playing games at all
(You)
>>
>>128733614
what class got dat balaclava
>>
>>128733730
infiltrator, i wish everyone got it
classic MSF balaclava looks good as fuck while still being a bit fancy
>>
>>128733620
>moke grenade in front of them and you become literally invisible.
>UAVs are blind as shit, if you enter stealth mode they'll fuck off after two seconds.
All of those things would fucking trigger an alert

Throw a smoke grenade "CP I see smoke, could be enemy sabotage going on alert"

knock a guard out, wakes up a minute later "CP I have been attacked, going on alter"

You realize combat alert is different than guards going into alert status right? And thats all that a defender needs to join the game.

Now I know you guys are just full of shit and don't actually play FOBs
>>
>>128733658
It's like buying shoes but not shoe laces; here's your reply
>>
>>128730214
Who the fuck is Donna?
>>
So, what's in the Data Disks, /mgg/?
>>
>>128733614
>not a single female
faaaaaaaaaaaaaag
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>>128733824
>>
>>128733909
photographs of the boss' pussy
>>
Are there any good youtube videos of good infiltrators?
I'm getting pretty decent but I'm curious as how veterans do their stuff.
>>
>>128733954
sorry, i'm playing 80s soldier game not 2010s waifu sim
that's just me though, i'm not judgin
>>
>>128733805
weak try at counter-baiting
>>
>>128733909
1.8MB of feels.
>>
>>128733797
>And thats all that a defender needs to join the game.
It's fucking not though. Did you not read the fucking patch notes? They explicitly state the defender is notified if you kill a guard, destroy a camera or UAV, go into combat alert, or extract anything. You don't have to no trace it for the defender to not be notified, that's a separate bonus.
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>>128733614
Making your guys look like generic canon fodder is the only joy I get from this game
>>
>>128734125
which fucking patch notes
>>
>>128734069

>80's soldier game
>Using modern camo and some tacticool scifi vest

You fucked up.
>>
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>playing FOB
>>
>>128734171
October, when they changed FOBs so the defender only gets notified if you kill/destroy/extract anything.
>>
>>128733824
Get the fuck outta this general.
>>
>>128734183
>Using modern camo
that's actually pretty 80s, depending on the nation
>>128734183
>some tacticool scifi vest
yeah i'm considering dropping it, i just wanted to try something other than the all-class options but sadly the all-class options are pretty much the only vaguely real ones
>>
>>128734183
>Black Jackets are Sci-fi
>Carrier Vests never Existed
>>
>>128734270
and on googling it people are saying this isn't true and have defenders show up in with perfectr stealth
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>>128734186
>playing MGO
>>
>>128734294
suck my dick memeing cunt
>>
>>128734412
You do know that Perfect Stealth isn't voided by a regular alert right? It's only when you trigger reflex mode or kill someone.
>>
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>>128734424
>not playing singleplayer with infinite heaven
>>
>>128734438
>>>/out/
>>
>>128734316
Sorry m8, MTP is not 80's, it was designed in the 2000's in Britain.

Go for M81 for maximum 80's.

>>128734379
>Big hi-tech computer thing on the back
>Magical scifi wiring running underneath the surface of the jacket

Come on man.
>>
>>128734471
Not in the technical sense dickshit.

On more reasearch even crossing bridges counts towards alerting a defender. And sense I run nothing but high level FOBs I normally get defenders showing up when Im 80m from core

Not to mention some people report just using items adds towards the alert (like say smoke grenades)

So no ya fucking idiot, its not always possible to perfectly infiltrate an FOB to the point a defender won't know. Theres too much shit there to even know what sets it off. Going no traces eve makes it less likely but it's not a guarantee.
>>
>>128734884
:(
>>
>>128734870
Christ you are retarded. I have no idea where you're getting this shit but it's wrong. You're either baiting at this point or just plain stupid.
>>
>>128734752
desu i'm willing to accept the pattern itself not being 100% era-accurate given that my gun has picatinny rails all over it for whatever reason
it's the best camo for most of the missions i go on, at the very least, and it's not digital so i can live with it
>>
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Is Niles still alive?
>>
Reminder that Ocelot is canonically a faggot since he was introduced.
>>
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>>128735058
he shows up from time to time when he is summoned
>>
>Start of mission in Dindu Village
>4 members of my team walk right off a cliff into the river and suicide

I almost peed myself laughing at that.
>>
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>>128735247
>mfw I spent almost 3 years on this general
>mfw I haven't been here since September
>mfw I still haven't played TPP
>>
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>>128735176
true
>>
>>128735365
>>128735365
>>128735365
>>128735365
>>128735365
New meem
>>
>>128734979
"
With the patch, it's possible to start a Special Alert without even doing anything. This is Konami Logic™ to stop the hackers "Total Stealthing" platforms without even giving the owner a notification he's been robbed.

Things that cause a Special Alert as soon as you spawn.
The defender has an intel staff level of 90 or higher.
Invading a "Nuclear-equipped rival." (Has a nuke/Had a nuke within the last 24 hours)

Generally, an intel staff of 90 or higher requires at least FOB2 unlocked - which costs real money. Stay classy Konami."

No anon it is you who is a massive flaming retarded faggot. Maybe you should only talk about things you know, which is nothing at all.
>>
>>128734101
You're fucking retarded and its obvious you just want the lat reply.
>>
>>128735398
Special Alerts don't have fucking anything to do with whether the defender is alerted. They simply make the guards check around their general area. They happen periodically and the higher the intel team, the more frequent they happen. Jesus fuck what the hell are you on about?
>>
>>128735398
>Generally, an intel staff of 90 or higher requires at least FOB2 unlocked - which costs real money. Stay classy Konami."
>was around for mb bug
>4 fobs for the price of 0
>>
>>128735694
the alerts trigger the defender fucktard.

How many FOBs have you done? I guarantee it's not a fraction of the ones I have ran. You are seriously pulling shit from your ass and have no idea what yo uare talking about.

I have done over 1000 fobs. I'm in the top 50 on pc. You don't have near the experience I do.

but please, keep believing you know literally everything based off some patch notes that obviously are wrong by players experiences.

""A "Special Alert" will be issued by CP a few minutes after The Rival has violated the No Traces ruleset (Clicking/firing/using items at all) and the timer itself is based on The Defender's Intel Staff level. When this alert happens, The Defender will be informed and offered a chance to defend the FOB even if The Rival hasn't been officially spotted yet.""
>>
How do I break out/unstu8n on keyboard? WASD+E doesn't do shit. But if I spam move my mouse my eyes stay open.
>>
>>128736030
I just fucking tested this with the special alert shit.

I have noticed joining higher level FOBs triggers the "This is CP, gon on alert" the second I spawned. Just did a lower level FOB and I didn't get that alert.

So yet, if you join an fob with a high level intel team the defender will get notified.

Other anon is a faggot.
>>
>>128736440
It triggers patrols, not the defender.
>>
>>128737045
iTesters literally said it triggers defenders getting notified. They have tested it to be fact.

Reading is hard I know but I believe in you anon. I believe you can do it. read!
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>Landing those perfect long distance leading headshots as a Scout.
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Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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