/kfg/ - Killing Floor General

Insult players.

>>124007043
>[YouTube] EARLY ACCESS DONE RIGHT (embed)
>[YouTube] The Sound of Silence (Original Version from 1964) (embed)
you tried

>>124007164
>[YouTube] (embed)
one job

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You're all shit.

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>post yfw HOE might actually be a challenge again

some gameplay for those who haven't seen it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o51yi0mFmA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Ac1g3nJQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7FTi-LdHpw

>>124007331
>>124007292
no bully
still looking for that video clip of people throwing their dosh down a drain in the middle of a match, I can't find it.

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>>124007779

>>124007902
I thought sucking was usually good when cuties do it, anyway.

>>124007657
It most likely won't be. The fact that Firebug wasn't changed at all, and that Nuke only took a radius nerf (unless it was significant), means the broken ways of beating HoE are still there. The only thing you can't rely on quite as hard anymore is the Berserker, but with a Medic on his ass, he'll probably be able to tank shit, especially because Smash most likely still has the knockdown part of it, which means any large zed gets thrown to the ground for a few seconds without being able to do shit.

>>124007753
>you can still reload one gun and have ammo in both if you cancel reload
3 months

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>>124008035
are you offering?

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>>124007753
>that new 9mm sound
WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THIS WAS GOOD
https://youtu.be/3o51yi0mFmA?t=2159

>>124008405
man it's so obvious these journos were playing with controllers

>GOTY just got another update
well, see you guys sometime next year

>>124008647
no they weren't, they're just shit

>>124008405
>Supplier supports now have an icon near their name
Nice

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>>124008405
The only thing they changed about support was finally adding a Supplier icon.
Are you fucking with me TWI?
It's pretty cool you spawn with dual 1858s as GS.

>Addressed surrounding Hans exploit - when surrounded Hans gas will now do more damage and has some explosive power
Explosive power? Maybe Zerk tanking won't be so free vs Hans now.

>Zweihander Damage Reduced
pfffhahahha. TWI (or at least Yoshiro) said they'd never nerf weapons in KF2. I am so happy they changed their minds.

>New Keyboard options
>Last Used Weapon
about time

>Fixed AI not attacking players blocking them from their original target
Along with the nerf in armor heal, I hope this means no more zerkwall tactics.

Update confirmed released on 25th december

>Zerker got nerfed hard
>Demo will be just more useless now
So the new meta will be a team with at least 3 firebugs spamming Micro. Great.

>>124007454
healmeme :|

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=1455061&postcount=35

>>124009745
Demo is still good at 25 without Nuke. Zerk will still be strong, you just can't mash M2 like a retarded monkey with Zwei and win now.

Microwave being ignored is pretty curious, but I'll still prefer Commandos and possibly Gunslingers on my team than a fucking Fireshitter.

>>124010050
I main Commando, so Gunslinger will be a fun class for me. My biggest question right now is how good he will be against big guys. Soloing Scrake like Commando can do will be pretty neat.

>>124008174
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=1455059&postcount=33
wew

>>124007753
>Rage Quitters UK
>literally whos playing normal difficulty medium length games get early access to the update
thanks TWI

>>124010023
Please let it come out soon, please

>medic nerfed to uselessness
>zerker nerfed to shit
>support not even mentioned
>didn't have time to work on the FP sound effects they announced 2 months ago

BRAVO TRIPWIRE

>>124010050
>Hating on firebugs for no reason and would rather have a worse class take it's place
?

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>TWI actually using 'not enough time' as an excuse

IS THIS EVEN REAL LIFE

>people think firebug is Op
Brainless sure. Op? Hell nah. Really doesn't need nerfs ammo is already a problem with all their guns.

>>124011747
>>124012076
but they had time for trading floor :^)

>>124012131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0d5dqInvKg
not so good against FPs but still way too powerful

I love how because they release balance updates so infrequently they overdo every fucking change because they don't want to "not fix" the problem meanwhile it just creates all new problems they won't touch for 3 months.

Honestly I think I'm just going to stop playing this shit game for a year or two until they figure out their shit or go broke.

>We absolutely didn't remove resources from other parts of the game to work on Trading Floor
>Except when we admitted to not having time for anything during this update HAHA
epic

>>124012545
Sure they're good on scrakes but who cares we need a scrake killing perk. Zerkers were still 2-3x stronger in every way and commandos and demos are arguably just as strong overall.

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=1455136&postcount=47
ZERKERS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>124013735
RIP

>>124013735
>let's fix door blocking
>nerf zerkers
>nerf medics
>buff zed AI
Talk about overkill. Thanks tripwire

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>>124014760
>Overkill

>>124014760
>abusing AI
wasn't necessary, won't be necessary
>zwei
wasn't necessary, won't be necessary
>armor repair
repair rate was just halved, you'll still do it, just more slowly
>buff zed AI
somehow a bad thing?

git gud and stop relying on crutches, same with people complaining demo is now useless because nuke was nerfed

I SEE YOUR RISING DISTRESS

HEEEEEEEEELL
OOOOOOOOOOON
EEEEAAAAAAAARTH

Has anything been said about ammo-eating reload bug? Losing 4-6 rounds trying to keep scar and ak full is pretty annoying and has been a problem since launch for some.

There's nothing particularly wrong with this update, and I'm still so massively underwhelmed by it that I'm probably going to uninstall. I'm bored just thinking about it.

Tripwire beat me, I'm tapping out. What an absolute disaster of an Early Access game. Maybe it will be fun in a few years...

>>124011747

>medic nerfed to uselessness

Shut up.
Get a grip Corporal.
As long as we have our move speed and rapid healing we can still kick ass.

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>>124015523
>- Ammo disappearing from mag when switching weapons
Can you add more detail to this?

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=1453812&postcount=55

>>124015868
>>124015523
So it's not just me, fucking drives me crazy when the medic AR resets to 29 rounds

>>124015960

YEAH FUCK I GET THAT TOO

>>124015868
>Can you add more detail to this
IT'S BEEN 7 MONTHS SINCE THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING
PEOPLE HAVE REPORTED IT THOUSANDS OF TIMES
WHAT THE FUCK TRIPWIRE

>>124016035
Sorry, we didn't have much time haha :)

>>124015960
>resets
Ahahaha. Nigga, that round isnt reset. Its transported into the aether, never to be seen again.

>>124015868
>- Recoil is higher on solo local than on dedicated server
>This was fixed for the upcoming update
So what, will the recoil be higher online like it was offline, or offline recoil will be like the online one?

>>124017079
I think the issue was it being abnormally high offline, not the other way around

Who said there wasnt enough time? I assume this changelog is being posted because they said the update would be around this week and dont want people flipping their shit in anxiousness?

>>124017670
One of the tripwire employees on the forums. In response to shit they didn't finish.

>>124013735
What's this corner exploit? I tried searching but google is shit.

>>124011747
>zerker nerfed to shit

oh shut the fuck up, zerker will still be very good

>>124017852
Basically back the group into a corner behind 2-3 zerkers who body blocked all the big zeds while medics healed them and demos abused nuke.

>>124018453
I thought it was going around a corner to screw up with the Zeds/Hans' pathfinding?

>>124012029
Clearly an asshurt commando main seeing firebug is now objectively better and more useful

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I think Tripwire did at least half the right things with this patch. They nerfed a lot of braindead bullshit like nuke, zerker in general, and medic armor healing. On the flip side, it sucks that pretty much zero buffs were handed out and Firebug will still have his splash damage nonsense (Yoshiro said that's being nerfed as well though). At least we'll be getting a sense of HoE going back to how it should be.

I know it's basically a prerequisite to shit on Tripwire's design choices in /kfg/, but I really think this is a step in the right direction, however bittersweet it might be.

>pseudo-journalists get Alpha Builds earlier than the people who signed up for Early Access for this specific reason

TripWire needs to go under

>>124019750
Demo nuke being nerfed needed to happen, but are they seriously not getting compensated? Am I just fuckawful at demo?

>>124020482
Im inclined to agree. For all intents and purposes this game is fully released. It was when they started selling it. They just called it "early access" so they could have a fallback for the lack of content, bugs, and just plain shit design choices. The game is decent but it's not what anyone expects from an early access.

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>make thread stating how support and demo needed some sort of buff
>random nigga comments shortly after saying they're fine as is and demo got nerfed for a reason
>check his profile
>not even as much as a suicidal achievement
And these are the people tripwire will listen to, i'm upset

>>124020482
Calm down, it's likely they knew someone at TWI, they gave it mostly to big outlets, then to literally whos.

Probably friends of someone at the company.

>>124021109
Every fucking time anon. It's bullshit. The most vocal people on official forums are always shitters who post more on the forums than play the game. They don't know anything about the game on harder difficulties and think their opinions matter.

>>124020736
According to Yoshiro, demo is getting other "changes" later
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=1455020&postcount=18

>>124021153
>>124021153
>it's likely they knew someone at TWI, they gave it mostly to big outlets, then to literally whos.
How does this justify anything, though? Also it's an established pattern, several "journalistic" websites received early access to updates prior to them actually coming out for the actual Early Access.

>>124021245
Then don't do Nuke nerf yet, as it's the only thing that makes the class playable, I didn't grind that fucking cunt to 25 legit to just shelve it forever.

>>124021245
These types of responses are literally unacceptable. if they didn't have 3 months of feedback to make these sorts of changes they might be able to make excuses but holy fuck you guys knew from week one of incinerate and detonate shit needed to be fixed and you waited 3 months and STILL DIDNT FIX IT

>>124021349
Press betas aren't a new thing, aren't exclusive to TW, and aren't really a bad practice, except that press gets betas MONTHS before we do in TWI's case. That's the problem, not that it's happening.

Gaming "professionals" (I have to quotes that because most are unprofessional as fuck) are less likely to shit on a game for a few bugs here and there, therefore there's a higher tolerance for issues being in a patch/version etc.

>>124021525
>Gaming "professionals" (I have to quotes that because most are unprofessional as fuck) are less likely to shit on a game for a few bugs here and there
That's a bad thing? I thought that was the whole fucking point of Early Access.

I mean, yeah, complaining about it is not the way to go, but the people who do complain about bugs is because updates are released so slowly and patches are never brought out. Otherwise, they'd just be getting feedback.

Really, there's no fucking point for these idiots to get it before. Sparing the devs' feelings because they don't point out bugs isn't exactly a rational thing.

>Nuke nerf
Yeah OK
>Zwei nerf
Fair enough
>Armour healing nerf

ARGH
LIQUIIIIIIIIIIIIIID

>>124021917
Nuke nerf isn't okay, it's too much for a class that's rather shit right now.

Zwei needed a nerf, think that might be a bit heavy handed of a nerf though.

Armor healing, I really don't have an opinion on, I cheesed medic to 25 and I'm only okay at it, so... *shrug*

>>124021917
Not just armor nerf. Healing nerf on top of that :^)

>>124008225
I would have been if I had had somewhere to be. I'm offering now if you want it. I'm out of practice but I'm sure I can make you feel really good~

>>124022076

AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH
LIIIIIIIIIQUUUUUUUUUUUUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID

>>124008225
pls be my gf

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>>124022259
SHOW ME WHAT YOU'VE GOT SCRAKE!

>>124022435
*unzips big dick*

>lvl 24 DEMO

I'm so close to enlightenment. Please.

>>124023420
So close to being nerfed you mean.

>>124023568
Stop reminding me :(

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No pressure, no diamonds
Volcanoes keep on making these islands
No peace without violence
Because hard times make me a giant

No light, darkness
Dark time make me shine the brightest
Mind over Matter
MIND OVER MATTER

>>124023361
>tfw no thick and veiny scrake dick to pound you every day

>>124026285
Scrakes are probably weird down there. Give me FP cock any day of the week.

>>124026427
Does he even have one? If so, good luck taking off that metal protector thing

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>Go back to playing KF1 after the massive disappointment that KF2 has been
>Dem cockney lines
>Zeds aren't retarded bullet sponges like in KF2
>Demo is fun to play
>Medic is relatively challenging
>Sharpshooter is there
L O D S OF E F A N
What's that spell? Loadsafun! Probably!

>>124026751
>unleashing the beast from chastity

>last 2 rounds of HoE evac
>level 0 and level 4 join
>zerker goes afk
>I get bitched at for not keeping everyone alive
I JUST WANT THE ACHIEVEMENT FOR FUCKS SAKE

>page 9

Dead game

>>124029986
These posts really, really piss me off. KF2 is NOT a dead game. I know you faggots don't even play it anymore and just want everything to crash and burn, but it doesn't make your statement true. I have never EVER had any problem finding games with low ping on any difficulty. So please shut the fuck up and stay tuned.

>>124030382
>1,322 In-game

Just end it.

>>124030382

>1000 in-game
>On a good day
>Alive

I love KF2 but
"No".

>>124030382
It's on life support bruh. Gotta know when to pull the plug

>>124030515
>>124030616
>>124030672
I thought the last two words would make it too obvious, but I guess I was wrong

>>124026285
>buy 10 inch black dildo
>can now simulate scrake cock :3

>>124030889

When the game is this dead, I felt obliged to reply sincerely.

>>124031542
There's nothing like the real, warm, pulsating, a bit squishy penis entering your ass. Nothing. Once you try it, you'll never go back.

>>124032216
fucking gross wtf

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>>124007753
>Abandon All doesn't play when Patty shows up
I'm done

>>124032216
this is worse than the shit ive seen on /b/.

4chan x master race

>>124030382
People call any game and its thread dead when it falls to the last pages of the board. Cool your nips.

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>>124015523
>mfw they won't fix reloading before picking up ammo boxes.

>>124033562
That looks like something incidental and totally separate.

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>>124032216

I'm late as fuck but,

In one minute I will delete this image.

Pretend like it's the most disgusting and offensive thing you've ever seen, and laugh at all the newfags who don't know what's going on.

>When my eyes are so good I can read thumbnail text that fucking tiny

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Hey is gunslinger out yet?

>>124033687
>That bug is so rare that TWI shouldn't fix it.
Hello Yoshiro.

>>124032409
>>124033071
what was it

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>>124010562
>know that they're going to be adding dual-wielding
>don't make room in animation system for it
>don't start working on (at least) the dual 9mms before adding all of the other dual weapons

What the fuck goes through these devs' heads when planning...?

>>124007753
Is it just me, or does it looks like aiming with the dual pistols will be harder than in KF1? I'm referring to if you use the "classic" view and not the new one.

>>124033982
Do you know what words mean?

>>124021917
BROTHER

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What's the news on the Patty?

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Do we have a date yet?

A projected timeline? Even a non-committal "hey we're expecting it by (x)" would be great.

all of the gunslinger weapons sound terrible man

>>124038231
seems better than hans atleast

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>>124038231
He looks like a cross between hans and the tank, I'm not sure if he's going to be fun to fight.

>Default dual weapon aim mode is picked by a community vote
>Not making it a gameplay option so you can pick your default, between Classic "Put guns to your cheeks" and New "Iron sight with one gun" and not get fucked having to change your default aim style for every gun, every round if you happen to disagree

>>124036963
There's more than 1 ammo bug in the game.
Plenty of bugs for such a polished EA game.
Not that they'll fix them all, there will always be bugs in games
But TWI wait 3+ months to release bug fixes with content which is annoying since the new content will just bring more bugs anyways.
Their team won't test long enough to find them all until they release the patch and get feedback.

It's like InD when they balanced the perks and then didn't realize that Demo wasn't good until level 25, microwave gun makes Firebug a good all around zed killer, and Berserker went from mediocre to god like.

>>124041787
If youre the same guy you're just rambling about what you feel like rambling about while quoting me for no discernible reason. I was just pointing out that I dont think that bug in the webm has anything to do with the ammo box.

>>124042353
>Finish reloading
>Pick up ammo box
>Reserve ammo goes from 157 to 247 for a split second, 2 - 45 round mags.
>Goes back to 157 for no reason and only get a grenade.
So not getting ammo from an ammo box has nothing to do with the ammo box?

>>124039258

Well, there is some good news about that.

Based on previous precedent, now that we've had QA confirmed and SPECIAL EARLY EARLY ACCESS players with Youtube channels have showed it off, the update could literally (literally [literally {lit.}]) be released tomorrow, or the day after.

However, to play it safe, expect nothing until next week.
Anyone who thinks it won't be out before Christmas is delusional though.

>>124026872
On a good day you can only find like 20-80 servers alive at max which means around 120-500 players are playing KF1. Game is not dead (for the longest time), still fun but long forgotten and still have trolls. Sadly KF2 blew it so hard, it failed on containing the griefers and trolls.

>>124007753
For some reason I expected the mortar attack to use the rocket launcher sound from KF1. No idea why. I kinda miss it.

So, before Patty gets thrown into the mix, I want to make sure I understood Hans.

When he goes red, gains the shield, and starts chasing you for vampire health sucking, it's best to just let him grab someone so you can get to the next phase as fast as possible, right?
Running away from him just makes the fight last longer and opens up the possibility for him to pop off a grenade / rifle attack while he's invincible, maybe killing someone when we could have been enjoying a short break to reload or heal while he sucks on someone?

>>124046285
He's not 100% invincible (85% damage reduction) but yes. Let him grab someone to heal. Hell run in yourself if you have to (if you're the medic ALWAYS throw a nade at hans's feet while he's draining hp. It'll help keep the person alive)

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> play suicidal outpost
> never done suicidal on kf2 before
> nervous
> be lv 18 firebug and hold of one side completely
> other side gets all of the fleshpounds and scrakes
> two level 25 berserkers with zwei tag team and bring them down with ease
> make it to Hans with 3 sub level 5s new to the game

That was easy

>>124007779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyEjX0Yuyv0

>Dual wielding Berettas
>Full 30/30 magazine
>Shoot one shot at a Clot
>Reload because there's nothing else around
>Reloads both guns

Why isn't there a neat, one gun one bullet reload for a micro-tactical obsessive compulsive reloads like that?

And do you think KF2 would benefit from Battlefield: Hardline's ultra rare, but extra goofy, reloads?
Like instead of discarding your magazine, you discard your rifle and reuse the magazine? Or doing some slight of hand to make your gun disappear, then reappear fully loaded? Since they already put so much care into the regular reloads, imagine what kind of craziness they could get into purposefully doing goofy stuff?

>>124047240
firebug gud

>>124050321

Not enough time :^)

>Press gets preview builds before anyone else
>People that bought into Early Access get "work in progress" patch notes

Holy shit, can someone bomb tripwire offices already

>>124050321
I do this shit too - and 9 times out of 10 I suffer for it.

Sometimes it saves my shit, but the fuckups far outweigh the saves.

>>124012029
Zedtime extension is a godsend.

>>124019616
Actually I'm an asshurt Zerker who tries to tank for his team but fireshitters like to run up to Fleshpounds and throw their shitty grenades at them. It obscures my vision like crazy and kills my FPS.

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OK, Abandon All & Abandon All v3 are done.

Once the update is released I'll check the new number code, and then drop a Download link here.

>MORTARS INBOUND

>>124050313
Not the one I was looking for, but thanks. I didn't know there was more than one. The one I saw was indoors and they all just kept throwing more and more in.

can I talk about red orchestra here? what happened to tripwire generals?

I know this isn't really thread related at all - but how come so few people are playing the new/free/alpha stage Unreal Tournament? And why isn't Unreal Engine 4 being used to hell and back? Locked at 144fps at all times on everything maxed out

>>124054765
Because they went full retard, instead of going the Steam+Workshop route they made their own little client and workshop tool and as a result nobody fucking cares about it.

>>124054724
D E D
E E
D E D

>>124054932
I'd think they would be better off doing both. Their development and marketplace model are fucking fantastic and way friendlier to content developers than steams is - and it isn't "locked down", so you could simultaneously put it there and on steam or wherever else, and the engine tech is fucking fabulous.

Wonder how hard porting games to it would be? I'd like my killing floor to stop hitching on my god damn 980ti monster rig...

>>124054724
I mean - I just brought up Unreal Tournament 2015, I'm sure nobody would mind too terribly. And it might liven up the general to get varied discussion in here.

>>124054765
Tripwire used UE2 on KF1, when everyone else was using UE3, so everyone could play KF1
Now that UE4 is more or less live, they used UE3 for KF2 and now most people can play it too, instead of going with UE4 and throwing half of their playerbase without recieving any new ones

>>124055892
UE4 performs better on low end systems than 3.

This is because of their high quality standards and abysmal development speed, not out of some kind of benevolence towards potato owners.

The problem isn't that they nerfed the Zwei its how excessive the nerf is, its worthless now, it reminds me of the scythe in KF1, OP for awhile then turned it into garbage.

Go right ahead and tone down the damage but don't make it worthless shit.

>>124051608
It's a marketing thing, too bad they're losing players by doing this and some people were able to refund it and get away from this unavoidable staying of tuned we must endure.

People won't even buy it when they see the "Trading Floor", while some will buy it thinking it's the next CS:GO and try to profit from something no sane person would buy off the steam market or even TWI themselves.

>$4.99 for a new costume for an existing character

If you have a really high disposable income, then sure go for it, but no average KF2 player is going to buy into this.

>>124059587
>they're seriously charging $5 for a skin
I miss when you got 4 characters for $2.

>>124059892
i miss when video games weren't shit

microtransactions in paid games is the fucking norm now.

not only that, but people will fucking defend these companies. For no reason whatsoever and without any personal gain they will fucking flame you out of forums for saying micro-transactions are bullshit

>>124060313
You should see Payday 2 right now. They just announced a $7 DLC that's basically an ad for the Point Break remake, in addition to the crates they're already doing.

>>124060405
i think they've realized that they can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want because people will still buy, play, and defend whatever they do

>>124060463
Seems like it. I dropped the game when they announced crates since I already had KF2. Torn on whether or not to drop this over their crate bullshit. Maybe just play through my collection of shmups.

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>>124060405
>>124060463
>>124060541
Pretty sure PD2 had a big drop off where most of the regular players had enough and left.
KF2 probably took a chunk of PD2's player-base but can't really hold on to it very well from announcing micro-transactions again.
At least PD2 had enough people playing where it could've worked if the one guy hadn't lied about "no micro-transactions ;)" but they fucked themselves and their OVK's:TWD and STORM games.

>>124061106
A lot of where they fucked themselves in PD2 is the fact that they already do an obscene amount of DLC, and most of it is low-quality. I'm willing to bear with TWI on this for now, but I'm really not happy about crates. They're the scummiest bullshit.

>>124059353
If Zwei stab still has the same stumble properties then it won't be useless

>>124061207
well man, it is tripwire so i'm sure there will be endless shitty dlc on top of the microtransactions.

they've pretty much confirmed that they are gonna be doing paid weapon packs eventually.

>>124061493
Yeah, I know. That bothers me. I guess I just have more goodwill left for TWI than for OVK.

>>124060541
to be fair, the PD2 crates were just 1 out of a mountain of sins that overkill had committed. they had been milking their community for years, and it wasn't even with good DLC. i've never seen any dev go full jew as them. their greed is biblical, tripwire can't hold a candle to overkill.

yet

>>124061682
That's just it, man. Payday 2 has been nothing but a series of jewish lies.
>30 heists on launch!
>safehouse customization!

>>124061756
my point was that PD2 can't be salvaged, but KF2 can be, for now. it's really all going to depend on how far TW takes this trading floor bullshit and future DLC. it's very possible they could start implementing shit like XP boost crates and god knows what else. tripwire also said they don't want to split the community with paid map packs, but i could still see them doing it anyway.

i'm worried about the future, but i still love this game more than i hate the bullshit surrounding it. again, for now.

>>124062130
I could see it working as Shared Content, maybe, but they'd have to do a lot of extra work to stop you from playing on specific maps.
It's not like you wouldn't be able to join a server if it was on the Shared Content map, it wouldn't make much sense to bother setting up and TWI already have enough shit to do like finish the game.

>>124062130
I get what you meant. The core game is good, and as dumb as TWI can be, I think it's more obliviousness than the sheer amount of greed OVK has.

>>124062376
>TWI already have enough shit to do like finish the game

well that sure didn't stop them from making the microtransaction shit in the first place

>>124062451

Thankfully, there was enough time for the Zedconomy :----------^)

>>124062451
TWI have already stated that the Trading Floor is a core game mechanic that has dedicated people who worked on it so it didn't affect development speed.

>>124062594

The Moon is actually the right eye of Satan, gazing down upon the Earth.

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>>124062586

>>124062629
what the fuck are you talking about?

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>>124063124
he's saying not everything someone tells you is true

>>124063124
i think he is implying that what your statement lacks factuality

>>124063193
There's no way we could know if TWI were lying about it or not
Even if that is a lie, they still don't have a real reason as to why journalists can play a fully functional updated KF2, while we, the people who PAID for the game, have to sit and watch videos of level 0 faggots play it before we do.
>"Hey everyone, I got a chance to try out KF2's FREE new update, hahahahahahahahhahahahhaahahah, buy the game and give money to TWI they're a good company :-)"
Imagine if a real company did this with there game.

>>124063193
>>124063632

I don't think he's the same guy, but regardless, you two at least, are smarter than the one I first replied to.


>>124063124

What? That's not believable?

Oh sorry, my mistake, but judging by:

>TWI have already stated that the Trading Floor is a core game mechanic that has dedicated people who worked on it so it didn't affect development speed.

This poster struck me as someone who'd believe anything they were told without question or proof.

>>124064358
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=1447957&postcount=3

collapsing

>>124064687

All words and no proof makes Yoshiro a questionable boy.

So when they are going to release gunslinger update?

>>124067037

Next two days.

CAP THIS POST.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFE2pOImzY

>>124055892
KF2 doesnt even support 32 bit, and you think they did the UE3 thing to have a larger playerbase that could run the game? No, nigga.

>>124067323
If there's one good thing about the microtransactions, it's the fact I can dosh away that ugly leather jacket Foster has

>>124050321
>micro-tactical obsessive compulsive reloads
Oh shit. My nigga. I actually have some kind of autism about reloading in general. The animation for reloading in any game always gets me hard for some retarded reason, so I do it as much as I can.

>>124067824
>double barreled shotgun
>fire one shell
>reloads both
RRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

why arent tripwire flooding the game with bugs and new unbalanced weapons for us to try? even if its just one weapon at the time
the game is in early access, so instead of testing it for bugs yourselves inhouse you should use the player base. Add a class into the game where you just change numbers until it is balanced, so that we can try out the new nailgrenade for example, never mind that it isnt balanced

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>>124067323
>briars bobby bundle
>tanakas biker bundle
Conflicting feels right here, also the i'm only slightly glad that keys are only for specific crates and wont be thrown into one clusterfuck bundle of a crate where anything goes, that'll surely devalue.

I heard killing floor community is 1984.
True?
TheN why buy game?

>>124067824
>there is a specific reload for when you have a single round in the dual m9 pistols where you load a bullet into the chamber of the empty gun
>there isnt a seperate reload for when you have fired a single shot from the double barreled shotguns
for what reason

>>124068465
not enough time :^)

>>124068193
Because Early Access done so very wrong holy shit update the game as you make content is it that hard TWI? Who cares about specific crashes I want it now.

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>only female character is still Ana
C'mon tripwire, give us a new character or two, a female scientist or something might be cool.

>>124067323

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imLjs_HjGGg

>>124068703
Crate exclusive, only $2.49 per key

Do you think Yoshiro used "not enough time" as an excuse just to spite the playerbase? He would do that, wouldn't he.

>>124070190
>"not enough time"
>3 months
>1 perk
>shit balance tweaks
>they're okay with support being the worst perk in the game
sometimes i wonder

>>124070467
>implying commando isn't the worst

AA12 has better DPS and better for the team

>everything I play dies
>I am still alive

i NEED to die

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>>124070695

I play Support
On HoE

>>124070695
Support can give ammo, 5% armor/15% damage in zed time.
Commando has zed time extensions and stalker vision/faster reloads (which is hopefully fixed in the update.)
Commando is a better Support player than Support is.
Not to mention Support's main skills should be passives when compared to how commando is setup.
Tenacity's 10% and Commando has Autofire's 20% damage
SCAR might not have the same DPS as the AA12 but you can't control the spread of the pellets of the AA12 unless you're in the zed's face, commando can do it from a distance and be accurate.

>>124071130
>weld broken doors to repair them, which allows you to weld them shut again
BRING BACK DOORS FOR FUCK SAKE

GO I FUCKING HATE TWI

>>124071234
I don't understand why they haven't added this feature yet. It just makes perfect sense. It would make welding doors viable again, without making them overpowered like they were in KF1.

>>124071362
> without making them overpowered like they were in KF1.

I'm guessing that's what they're worried about. Double so with that explosion on weld demo perk. But if anything doors are fucking pointless to wield right now when using them to kite Hans is more preferable.

Speaking of which, solo HoE tips?

>>124072057
With the ability to fix them up again, you'd still have to deal with the door eventually exploding and all the zeds flooding in through it.

Or maybe just reset each door at the end of the wave, so they're a one time use per wave.

I mean fuck, just do something, doors are so completely worthless right now.

>>124071362
>>124071234
Fucking this a million times. They said they wanted to keep the KF1 elements and improve upon it, but they really buttfucked the doors trying to force players to move around he map. The players were clearly fine with the camping nature of KF1, so i don't even see the need to make doors pointless in KF2 and thus changing the whole flow of the game.

Doors busting open but being repairable seems like the perfect implementation to me. This will add a perfectly reasonable risk to door camping, while rewarding coordinated team play where players balance the right amount of welding / shooting and how they will handle the inevitable door bust. Now that i think about it, this would also make demolition more useful for C4ing one door-horde per wave.

>>124072167
Not to mention the demomans door explosion skill, it would actually have a use now.

>>124072142
>so they're a one time use per wave

That wouldn't be a bad solution, but like I said: I guess Tripwire is too worried things would be overpowered again with even something minimal like that. Just weld all doors as demo as quick as you can, kite enemies to the door and explosive weld perk them to death or something. Rinse and repeat each round.

>>124070695
>Support better than Commando
Holy fucking kek, nice bait.

>>124072323
Actually, that's how they were in KF1. If it broke, the door would respawn the next wave. But this time you would have the invisible health bar to worry about.

>>124072323
>Rinse and repeat each round.
easier said than done

I'm all for giving the support the repair ability. This would put them more into their actual support role of door king / stern guard.

>Boss is on it's last HPs
>Last guy decides to play Hide and Seek with the boss instead of shooting him
Every goddamn time

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>main is still just a walking meatshield/ammo dispenser
I didn't want to let go of my maining of support, but now I feel like I have to just to not let the team down. Not even firebug was this bad in kf1

>>124073298
Firebug was godlike in KF1 nigga. He was the kind of early waves, huge money saver.

>>124073456
Word. Could easily handle literally everything that wasn't Scrakes and FPs, and have a single SS take those out while 4 players were afk.

>>124073586
well apart from husks

>>124072057
>solo HoE tips?
Firebug, Berserker for Hans

Use this method for Hans
https://youtu.be/XvEz8EekIzg?t=1831

>>124073716
I knew i forgot something. But still.

>Smash reduced to 25% damage (previously 100%)
>Zweihander heavy attack reduced to 195(previously 290)
>Bash damage reduced to 63 (previously 120)
Am I mistaken or is there now no reason to use the Zweihander over the Pulv?

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>>124064687
>When a dev sells a piece of DLC everybody takes a cut
It's not the fucking same for Steam Market trought?

>See the above. To add to that, games cost A LOT of money to make
Then just focus on make that shit so you can finish the game faster and sell dlcs or someshit earlier
That is fucking completely retarded

>>124074317

poorfags who cannot afford a second steam game, rejoice

>>124074317
Zwei will (should) still have stab which can stunlock FPs.

>>124075115
Isn't the bash attack their stab?

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30 MINUTES

>>124072323
>reweldable doors would make door trap OP

you do realize that it only does 200 damage, right?

>>124075720
until what?

>>124075115
They changed the stabs damage, but the stumble power and attack speed is still the same, so you can still stunlock FPs to death, it'll just take longer now.

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>>124075758
Until you buy some keys, goy.

>>124075948
No bloody way.

>>124073456
Well yeah it was good in the very start of a game when its trash galore, but later on theres struggles, especially if stray flames cause a big guy to rage it out early

>>124077024
Nothing wrong with that.

+1% perk weapon damage per level
+1% faster perk weapon reload speed per level
+30% enemy fire resistance (starting)
+2% enemy fire resistance per level
+25% self fire resistance (starting)
+3% self fire resistance per level
+20% flame weapon burn duration every 5 levels
+10% flamethrower clip size every 5 levels
+10% flame weapon reserve ammo every 5 levels
+10% flame weapon starting ammo every 5 levels
level 5
range - increases flame weapon range by 50%
flarotov cocktail - increases molotov duration by 100% & leaves a permanent* light source behind.
*flare entity lasts forever but only 10 can be in the world at once. throwing another after this will delete the oldest flare entity.
level 10
heat wave - point blank hits with perk weapons cause enemies to stumble
dragon's breath - any offperk ballistic weapon will ignite enemies.
level 15
zed shrapnel - 30% chance for zed to explode on kill
splash damage - 100% more ground fire damage, duration & radius. 20% larger microwave splash radius & nullified microwave splash falloff.
level 20
matchbox - enemies who strike you become ignited.
trailblazer - 25% increased movement speed while living, crisped or puffed enemies are nearby.
level 25
combustion - 100% chance for zed to explode on kill during zed time. explosion leaves behind ground fire.
scorch - fire close to real time speed during zed time.
caulk n burn
impact damage increased to 12
ignited zeds now spread fire to other zeds upon contact
trenchgun
pellet damage increased to 16
ignited zeds now spread fire to other zeds upon contact
burn damage increased to 20
flamethrower
ignited zeds now spread fire to other zeds upon contact
burn damage increased to 20
ground fire damage increased to 15
microwave gun
impact damage increased to 25
alt-fire damage increased to 280
---
can no longer increase flame weapon firing rate by rapidly clicking
cysts, clots, slashers & stalkers now recieve 1.0x damage from microwaves
crawlers now recieve 0.8x damage from microwaves
---

>tfw update is today
We made it bros

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Can't wait for the new content patch

>>124077265
Damn son, thats a long read

>>124077732
ya i had to cut out some formatting to fit it all

but the main idea is to make the flamethrower more desirable and the microwave gun less bullshit

>>124077284
jinxed it, now we have to wait until after christmas.

>>124077284
Where's the evidence ? I trust no one. Not after all these months.

EVERYBODY OPEN STEAM

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>>124079198
Stop fooling me, there is no update, there is no redemption, the suffering never ends. I'm collapsing.

>>124079494
I JUST WANT YOU TO HAVE STEAM OPEN SO YOU CAN TELL ME WHEN THE UPDATE IS OUT

THANKS

>>124079585
NOT YET BROTHER

Where were you when demo and support got btfo?

>>124080235
Here waiting for Sharpshooter.

Wait so how many items come in a case?

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>>124080567
Hopefully at least one
No more, for sure

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>>124079198

Just let me farm those skins for free games finally REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Support should get a unique Welder that lets them weld map specific objects to open up new tactical options. Certain doors that only a Support can open up, or being able to weld Crawler spawning vents shut, and repairing things around the map, like broken lights or generators to get more lights.

And, obviously, being able to put busted doors back on the hinges.

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>wake up
>no update

>>124081853
>weld shut vents
yes please

>>124081853
this to be honest senpai

>>124081853
I like this, puts the support in support and not just "shotgun boy"

>nerf zerker and zwei
>not buffing nailgun in damage, move speed, and reduced weight
>not fixing pulv ammo being broke with smash
seems like we only get nerfs these days.

Zerk is dead, baby... Zerk is dead...

>>124081853
As rad as that idea is, I'm not a fan of perks getting completely unique options. For my preference, perk choices should make certain things easier or quicker, but other perks should be able to at least minimally do the job if needs must.

It's why I don't like Medic's armor heal much. There's really no way to replace a the utility a Medic offers, even if everyone packs a Medic Pistol and is conscientious about healing their teammates.

>>124082845
Vent welding should totally be a thing, though. Manholes too.

>>124083734
Zwei is dead, Zerk still has
>175 HP
>50% damage bonus at 25
>20% damage bonus from Furious Defender
>25% damage bonus from Smash

And the empty Pulv is still good

>>124084237
empty pulv and zwei were identical in damage against hans and scrakes but zwei was and will still be better for fleshpounds because of the stab stun lock.

>Asian server getting mad over demo and firebug
>Now the only populated one discards them
Way to make the update more mundane

WHERE
IS
MUH
UPDATE

>>124083746
Im feeling the opposite, unique attributes are good in my books, excluding powerful stuff like medic healing armour because it makes it twice as useful healing both bars. Keeping vents locked down doesnt feel as overpowered somehow though, maybe its just because supp needs what it can take right now and enhancing slowing spawns down doesn't feel as stronk

>>124085021
Not this week.

Anyone else think Firebug should get a Medic-like movement speed buff?

It gets no armor or health bonus, and most of the weapons are close range, why are they stuck being default speed?

>>124084846
Yet the price is same when it does 2/3 of the dmg it used to

>>124085598
no

git gud

>>124085598
firebug is and always should be a glass cannon

>>124085598
Anyone else think Support should get a Medic-like movement speed buff?

It gets no armor bonus, and all of the weapons are close range, why are they stuck being defaults peed?

>>124085908
Jokes aside Support does need a buff

>>124085769
They could've made the zwei more expensive and made it slightly worse than the pulv instead of completely butchering it.
At least we some what had a choice between pulv and zwei but I guess it's back to the pulv.

>>124086178
>They could've made the zwei more expensive
fuck off with this shit, it's a terrible balancing mechanic

>>124086315
So even if they made it 5,000 and the damage was the same, would it still be worth it?
You'd be lucky to get money from teammates to fund you in a 10 wave game.

>>124086178
Do you remember the M99?

>>124082721
>wake up

Implying you can ever wake up.

Also is today's update legit or is it just an rumor, cruel jokes ? I couldn't find anything about it.

Zwei is still better at cleaving trash because of its size. Pulv is meant for battling big zeds.

>>124085876
This, it should represent fire in general:
Strong, quick to rack up and dangerous when left, but easy to put out.

>>124087445
>easy to put out

>>124087615
Thats right senpai

>>124087445
>Strong, quick to rack up and dangerous when left, but easy to put out.
Isn't part of California on fire all year long?

>>124086889
you speak with peoples, who never played kf1 and dont know about "give me all your money guys, i will buy 5 rounds" gun

Hey guys, could someone lend me a tenner?

>>124085908
>I want to be fast ninja
Why the fuck support, with his +weight must be quick?

>>124086315
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=1455320&postcount=84
Why shouldn't the strongest weapon be made the most expensive?
That's the point of tiers right?
Make the player work to get a better weapon so he can do better in later rounds.
They essentially made the zwei so shit that poor people don't feel bad for not being able to have that option.
Still better than the nailgun, but now worse than the pulv.

The eviscerator is now the best weapon berserker has and that's a fact.
>Tier 4
>Retrievable blades
>Gas mode to fuck up trash and stun lock fleshpounds
>Take out EMPed scrakes with ease
>Highest parry resistance along with the pulv and ded zwei
>Red dot so you don't fuck up your headshots if you have crosshair disabled.
Besides high ammo cost which with a support with supplier or in the later rounds you'll find ammo boxes are more common, it's the best.

>>124089654
Support needs to be more tanky desu
Should have high power, decent bulk but lackluster speed so it focuses more on supporting a group/area than kiting on their own or something, punishing going against the supporting build unless you're that gud, y'know?

>>124090304
>support is last one alive
Then GG squad

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>>124090747
I'm not saying he should be so slow even bloats can catch up, enough to get by trash but things like scrakes can keep up meaning you engage them ASAP, with extra power and defences, it wouldn't be unfair on you

Soooo... is today the day?

>>124092013
lol no

>>124091369
You just turning support into a slower, poor mans zerker at this point

>>124077265
>cysts, clots, slashers & stalkers now recieve 1.0x damage from microwaves
what?

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>have diarrhea all night last night
>couldn't sit still for longer than 15 min to play anything online
>finally pass out at 5 am when my bowels have been emptied and take some pepto
>sleep for 8 hours
>wake up
>still no update yet

I was hoping Microwave gun actually fired heat waves rather than being a laser gun. It would be like a flamethrower but with more range but less width.

>>124095057
They currently take x0.5.

>>124095514
oh, then yeah I'd agree, they take like 25 charge to kill with the MWG and it makes me waste ammo but it's only when I run out of ammo elsewhere or my caulk needs to be reloaded and I don't got time for that shit.

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>>124089486
>Buy the M99 for the first time
>People let me have the ammo boxes that spawn
>Run over one
>Two rounds
>500 quid saved
Lovely

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>>124095445
If you aren't burst firing near their feet, then you aren't using the microwave gun correctly.

>>124095736
What level are you? You'll be thankful when you reach 20 for splash damage, you can kill an entire swarm of clots with two taps of the microwave gun on the ground, using only 6 ammo.

I thought the microwave was kind of shitty until I learned how powerful it could be with splash damage skill, and tap firing at the ground.

Do you think the new perk level achievements will unlock retroactively?

>>124096710
Knowing Tripwire, they won't. They are useless like that.

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who /1440/ here?

If I don't play killing floor windowed like this, it crashes.

Update when

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>>124097310
never ever

>>124096475
18

>no support buffs
>no demo buffs
>medic HEALING nerfs

fuck you tripwire. Why did I even buy this piece of shit.

>>124061106
>that spike
>"oh man new update"
>"oh wait the game is still a piece of shit"
>immediate dropoff

How are you supposed to use C4?

Sirens make it useless as a trap.
It doesn't seem to do high enough damage to be an anti-big guy weapon.
Radius is too large to use it directly.

I just can find the niche.

>>124098939
be lv 15

>>124098939
C4s are only good for nukes desu

>>124077265

I generally like what you're trying to do with this, but I feel it goes a bit overboard.

I don't feel any passive changes would really be needed, however I do think that Heat Wave should be removed and have FB weapons' stumble power raised in order to replicate its effects passively.

So far as skills go, I agree with your removal of Fully Stocked and moving Range to level 5. However, I feel that Flarotov should simply have the duration of the flare increased to 1-2 minutes, instead of being an infinite duration, molotovs should have their base duration increased from 5 to 10.
Dragon's Breath seems like a good idea, but in practice... not so much, I'm thinking just make it give incindeary ammo to the 9mm. I also think that Matchbox, or something similar, be used to replace Weat Wave
Zed Shrapnel should remain as-is, however I believe it should be set up against something other than Splash Damage, as it is hands down more powerful than Shrapnel. Instead make people choose between having a percentage-based chance for greatly increased burst damage (Shrapnel) or a more consistent boost to damage over time, with a change to make Napalm more effective, like so:

Zed Napalm: Burning Zeds leave trails of ground fire, ground fire now ignites Zeds.

I don't like the idea of Trailblazer, as it just seems to be a less effective version of Heat Wave. Instead, have another choice between increased up-front vs more damage over time, such as:

Impact: Increase impact damage with Firebug weapons by 25%

High Octane: Increase afterburn and ground fire damage by 50%

Other than that, I don't feel any weapons changes are necessary, besides giving the Trench Gun a small splash damage radius to correspond with the explosion of burning magnesium fragments that occurs when a target is struck.

>>124099124
they can stun big guys too

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>people still thinking this update is what kills zerks
These people man, zerk has been guilty of being strong for so long, especially with the pay2win zwei. If they can't deal with that, then they legit need to I say this unironically git gud.

>>124101279
I said it before, the Zwei will still have use if stab stumble properties remain the same.
>b-but health nerf
>muh smash
Welcome to not completely fucking broken-tier you crybabies

>>124101279
zerker is honestly fine. He caught some minor nerfs but the majority of them were to the zwei, the pulv is still good and the zwei will still be okay.

Medic on the other hand might struggle. 25% decreased healing for 1 armor is pretty damn terrible. 3 with vaccination is alright I suppose.

So wait let me see if I got this straight-
Support used to have 2% dmg per level, making it broken.
Now it has 1% per level and no ammo, making it useless.
So how about you change it something in-between?

>>124101916
Zerk i've got no issue with, if you play it then fair game, its just abusing the zwei which makes me doubtful. I give props to those who used pulvs.

>>124102198
Raise the damage back up to 2% and lower something else?
Or give it more ammo but keep the damage at 1% per level?

I think the problem lay moreso in the fact that it got both the damage and good ammo reserves.

>>124102198
the ammo nerfs ontop of the damage nerfs AND the ammo/weapon cost increase just makes it so hard to keep up with the rest of the team as support without really adding anything of value.

Can pretty much replace any support with a firebug and be better off.

>demos who buy extra RPGs for hans instead of MWG or AA12s

RRRREEEEEEEEEEE

>>124021917
Not so much annoyed that armour heal is changed, but that it was changed in a weird way that still doesn't encourage the alternative perk.

The main reason (besides free armour) people chose armament and vaccination was because their alternative sucked. Okay, I lose 10 percent healing, but what do i get with free armour?

TWI doesnt have a good sense of direction of what they want to do with skill trees ATM, and it's depressing because it really isn't that hard.

Simply, have two trees: one for 'selfish' and another 'team oriented' for starters.

Support has a good example of such directions: ammo or supplier. Pretty self-explanatory.

Medic gets health or ammo. What?

If it's health OR cheaper armour/armour on spawn, then it'd actually offer some form of choice (that have minimal impact on gameplay but on game style)

>>124033956
it's coming in a few days or at least sometime this month

>>124103691
>in a few days

Can that day be today?

>>124032879
For the record they turned the music off.

>>124102198
make it 25% + 1%/level like zerk is
buff pump shotgun damage to 25
buff boomstick damage to 30
nerf aa12 damage to 20
give aa12 100 shells
give pump and m4 64 shells
give boomstick 48 shells

done

>>124102347
Thanks senpai, I'm out here with the pulv taking down all the bigs solo in this bitch,

Niggas don't know about my movement and timing

>>124103405
fuck off and buy your own shit

>>124104142
he's saying it's a waste of dosh, due to explosive res on hans you fucking pleb

>>124103526
I agree that TWI is fucking shit at making interesting perk skill choices, however I really don't like the idea of having one for solo use and one for team use. It sort of eliminates any sort of decision. What it should be is something like commandos callout/faster reload choice in which both help the team in different ways and good teams can coordinate buffs for duplicate perks.

As it stands right now almost every tier of every perk skill tree has a "best" option for the given situation. For example you take fully stocked on FB until you have all the guns you need then switch to flaritov no thought involved at all.

I like your idea of more health vs cheaper armor. That seems like a meaningful choice to me there needs to be more like that.

>>124010562
It's not like Yoshiro does any programming.

Literally all they have to do is, for dualies, revert it back to how it was before where the animation has to complete.

>>124104142
The point is wasting the teams money on weapons that have a .5 damage multiplier on hans is fucking stupid and makes the fight unnecessarily harder.

>>124041201
At least you have a choice.

I agree, but at least we could choose.

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>>124102198
>>124102198
UP SHOTGUN DAMAGE 2%
LOWER PENETRATION TO 20%, MAKE IT 15% IF YOU HAVE TO, JUST MAKE THE DAMAGE ACTUALLY USEFUL
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>124103967
the guy in the chat said that though

>>124067963
And all they had to do is no reload till both shells are gone.

>>124099492
i was on the fence about trailblazer and matchbox when i wrote that, honestly it was just filler until i could think of a better idea.

i do stand by the passive changes, though.

the clip size increase would only affect the tier 3 flamethrower, and i feel the increased afterburn duration is pretty necessary. those two changes combined make focus firing scrakes and fleshpounds more effective because of how afterburn damage is calculated. the increased ammo across the board was just for consistency but not necessary.

>>124103997
>make it 25% + 1%/level like zerk is
So you end up with 50% increased damage _again_
>buff boomstick damage to 30
+50% gets you to 45 per pellet (1 shell contains 12) getting you to 540 dmg per shell which is 1080 for the altfire. Now lets say you're using tenacy and zed time just activated so you'll get your barrage bonus damage, too. The scrakes not amused as you altfire into his sorry head for another 1.1 multiplier resulting in whooping 1503 damage (a 6man HoE scrake head got 1875 HP) if you're facing him on your own all you need to kill it would be 1 altfire followed up by a single shell. Or just one alt fire if your teammates back you up.
I don't think you realise how huge this damage buff would become. Turning your fellow support into a point blank sharpshooter that can handle anything on it's own.
>give boomstick 48 shells
that's its current ammo count, great change there pal.

>>124105312
literally all of this is fine

>>124104229
>>124104429
FUCK
OFF
AND
BUY
YOUR
OWN
SHIT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>124105805
>haha look at me pretending to be retarded :D