/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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GOOD FORTUNE AND LOOT WILL COME TO YOU. BUT ONLY IF YOU POST A WIN IN A NON CRAWL ROGUELIKE.

>>123534673
Gonna try my hand at Brogue later.

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>>123534673

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>>123534673
Suggest a game and tell me how to win it then.

>>123534917
Infra Arcana. All you gotta do is mash tab at some home schooled religious nerds and take their prized math project for your own. Surely you will get an A this semester with such a fine prize.

Endgame would be perfectly fine if it weren't for Torment. Whoever thought of adding this shit? There's literally no counterplay available for mobs that has that skill except for killing them immediately and hope for the best.

>>123535151
>What is lichform?
>What is mummy?
>What is statue form?
>What is god based torment protection?
>What is rN+++?

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http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=d0de26f4cdf6cdf1d2e5dce636ee9ad2458d02ad

RIP speed 3 troll

>>123535151
>He doesn't only play HONe's for perma lichform

>>123535108
Somehow I think with ghouls showing up, even if I went iron suit melee war vet it still would get dunked.

>>123535151
Endgame would be atrocious if it weren't for torment.
It's the only real threat in the endgame the doesn't involve Zigs, shrikes, or OoFs and forces you to mind you LOS.
Without it endgame would just be poschengband without the loot being as good.
That said, tomb is still a sin, but that is solely due to vault design.

>>123535283

>rn3
>implying that would do anything useful
>lich

all these lichshiling are disgusting

>>123535629
It's not perfect but it's still that much more HP you have for the next torment which adds up.

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>>123535541
Well, the real solution is to not allow characters to be so strong you need torment to possibly kill them if they play badly.

But it's not like crawl development has a direction nowadays so here we are.

>>123535778
I don't get why you people that bitch about crawl development and how shitty the game is don't just play something other than Crawl.

>>123535696

That's exactly the problem. Once something lands a even single torment, that random mob already did its job. And endgame mobs with torment are usually tough as fuuck without a holywrath brand, and infinite because "good game design".

>>123535903
No, they're not, stop being some one handed cock jockey.

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>>123535629
>Lich
>Bad
Go back to crying about how your MiBe can't tabstorm all the dudes with no recourse.

>>123535953

>one handed

No, I don't play Ru so I have two hands. So what, do you want to say that Tormentors, Greater mummies etc. aren't beefy? Let's assume you don't have a +9 HW weapon.

>>123536227
Greaters are fairly, the rest aren't. Especially tormentors. They're wet paper.

>>123536419

>Especially tormentors

Pretty sure that Ice Demon or whatever you call it is much softer than that.

Figured out that for some reason having tentacles and horns plus a rune sword in PCB makes the runesword not work properly, and that mutating myself far beyond what is reasonable was the cause of my hunger and healing issues.

Polymorph, not even once.

>>123536972
Report it on github and the forums and chris can fix it

https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/issues

>>123536972
"not work properly" how?
I'm guessing what's happening is that you're killing things with your non-runesword attacks, in which case it's not a bug (though maybe still worth reporting for a quality-of-life change). Or maybe there is an actual bug.

But still, "polymorph: not even once" holds. I did try to warn you.

>>123536972
there's a cure mutation service in Zul

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>>123536791
Tormentors are some of the squishiest high level monsters in the game along with Hellions.

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But why?
Is this from wishing while being punished?

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Yeah fuck you moloch!

Anyone k nows why misses seems to take up nearly all of the combat logs in Quest of the Unicorn? It's kinda...weird.

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Alright, let's do this!
The ascent is going to be such a pain though. 36 floors and so many of these bullshit gehennom levels.

How exactly do you separately display spells and abilities?

>>123540563
Larger screen resolution in webtiles. Just use the hotkeys, it's faster. And you can rebind with = or setup macros.

>>123540851
Wait no that's wrong, Offline I think lets you do it.

>>123540851

But I don't wanna macro or =. I just want them displayed; it really sucks to have to constantly display abilities when I'm Ru'ing or else I'll lose a lot of time not noticing.

>>123541310
Go into your rc file and add an auto more message for whatever it says when a new one pops up.

>>123535541
You can easily just make the enemies a threat instead of having to rely on dumb mechanics like torment

>>123541403
And tint that bitch bright teal or some shit. bitches love seafoam too.

>remove torment
>Add weavers into extended
>add resistance weavers
>add more dimension anchor enemies
>remove all the dumb free TSO health trash and replace them with generally tougher enemies all around

>>123537865
My memory is fuzzy on this but I think that could be if the wand is cursed. Don't use cursed wands of wishing. Either that or it's out of charges.

>>123541578
Too complicated
Here is how to do it
>Fire shrikes
>Elec Shrikes
>Slime Shrikes
>Earth Shrikes
>Metal Shrikes
>Shrike Moths
>Juggernaut Shrike
>Antaeus the Titanic Shrike

>>123541696

Wow what a genius!

>>123541696
You forgot to remove all gods but a new replacement. Killosaur Ripfist. The god of killing. He gains piety on exploration.and provides lesser heal other, lesser heal self, greater heal other, greater heal self, vitality.

Man I am so gonna splat this piece of shit I don't even know what I should train or do fuck.
>http://pastebin.com/2Vf1G2X8

>>123542162

>Level 2.0 Fighting
>Level 10.6 Long Blades

topkek

>>123542162
Get some fighting, dodging, then more long blades, then more fighting and dodging. repeat as needed until you have a triple sword, 15 runes, and have left with the orb of zot.

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How many fucking levels of this shit are there?

>>123541596
It definitely wasn't out of charges until I zapped it. I'll check if it's cursed though.

>>123542557
>How many fucking levels of this shit are there?
ha
haha
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA

>>123542485
>>123542395
It's like D:level six, I'm like level... Level eight okay sorry guys I'll train fighting I just found ecumenical what should I worship if I want to fifteen rune will I need to get lich up should I go kikuhelphelphelp I haven't even made it to lair this is so fucked

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>>123534673
nethack

>>123542713
You can 15 rune with Oka easily. Makhleb is also a solid choice

>>123542713
You can just pick a good early god like Makh or Oka. Makh is very good in the postgame too.

>>123542950
>>123542945
But I've been avoiding those gods because they seem so... generically... good
Aw, fuck.
Makhleb it is I guess, why not.

>>123542713
Worry about 3 and 5 runes before tackling the big kahuna. It's extended game content so you don't need it other than trying to assert that your obnoxiously large nerd penis is better at displaying how much of a dick you are to others for no good reason.

>>123534837
>>123542905
>posting ancient wins
I know he didn't specify, but come on.

>>123542995
You can always go Kiku. He's pretty good, but not as generally strong as Makh and HE Necro apt is not good.

>>123543034
sorry I haven't managed to ascend again since

>>123542710
It's not endless, is it?
I just want to take the damned amulet and leave already.

Ok so I just started playing ADOM and a couple of shadow trolls drained my strenght from 20 to 7. I waited around for a bit, but it's not being restored naturally. Is this a fucking joke? Do I really have to either avoid these fucks at all times or deal with a 7 str duelist?

>>123543343
>Thinking one simple waits out stat drain
Crawl is literally cancer

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This is not an improvement.

>>123543703
Have blink; will travel.

>>123543703
Unless i'm a ghostbuster I just say fuck fighting that ghost shit. It's always some fag that died as a gargoyle or something even after quaffing agility, might and haste or it's ranged that goes all exploding knees on you with its ghost enhanced success rates.

>>123543819
Cennnntaursssssssss

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>>123543703
Get in the habit of bailing earlier. Shit happens and that'll get you killed in the vaults dawg

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... I just fucking threw my staff of discord at that goblin

why brain

>>123543034
I haven't really played OWH since then. I'll get a dimensional ruler kill win later just for you.

>>123544028
>wasn't even a potion of life, a scroll of ench into an ogre on burning grass, or throwing it into lava
Step up your fatfinger game and fault like me.

>>123544086
Please do.

>>123544028
kek
i think someone did something similar some time ago

After 5 years of nethack I still die by running into things repeatedly until I'm dead, what's wrong with me?

>>123543674
But you cant wait out stat drain in crawl

>>123544010
I mean, I killed another ghost packing a large shield and lig form, and then I had to whack crazy yiuf and I mean I'm pretty much constantly starving and have this thing about hoarding perma food so then the other ghost shows up and I ran but there was a hippogryph and tele and then...
I did cast blink though.
And then made it upstairs.
At like, ten health.
Through a hatch.
Then there was a centaur and I figured stepping around the corner would save me. For some reason. Own fault. Thanks for the advice rlg, it was wild! I'll worship oka or mak like I actually wanna win next time around I guess though!

>>123544395
Have you won, at least?

>>123544395
Literally what else can you do? Not exactly a plethora of options.

>>123544485
>nethack
>not a lot of options

>>123544420
Butcher corpses and carry the most recent chunks. Otherwise, just eat. you end up with plenty so worry about it when you start starving to death rather than dying cause you fuckbutted around.

>>123544524
Name a time you snapped wands

>>123544464
once in 2010

>>123534673
A WIN IN A NON CRAWL ROGUELIKE.

>>123544596
>Butcher corpses and carry the most recent chunks.
Thanks.

>>123544815
Play the tutorial next time you giga nigger.

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>>123534673
Heck off, DCSS forever and only

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>>123544183
Sorry anon, I faulted and accidentally hit a movement key instead of using stuff.
I'll try again later, when it isn't almost 4 AM.

>>123545274
Is this shit actually worth the money

>>123545327

>$0.87

yes

>>123545274
This is still better than I do on a successful run. I'm so bad at OWH.

>>123545397
What about plus for 5bucks?

>>123545450

haven't tried that desu

>>123545450
Basically what you do is either you buy if for next to nothing and if you like it and wanna contribute more than two cents you buy plus when it's at two bucks on steam. I think it was very worth it at least.

>>123545327
>>123545450
Worth it in my opinion. Try the base game, see if you like it, then get plus if you want some additional content, mainly 2x campaign distance (from max 2000km to 4000km), extra classes and some balance changes, like making naked fist fighting weaker.

>>123545450
Yes it's worth a hamburger

>>123545450
IMO, yes.

>>123544957
>Play the tutorial
No, really. Thanks.

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Whats RLG mainly playing these days?

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>>123545976
The help menu contains useful things.
And was given to us on green crystal tablets by Zot

>>123546073
>You miss Gachapin (x5)
Fault. You tele and reset unless you have rGachapin or do over 300 damage a round.
NH4 and Brogue.

>>123546073
Depression and brogue

>>123546073

I've been sidetracked by Conquest of Elysium 4.

Just started fucking around with Forays into Norrendin, seems pretty tight. About to start Demon, no clue what to expect. Before that it was Brogue, but then I won twice in a row and I felt like that earned me a break from it.

>>123546073
Brogue.
>>123546394
>Depression
Go to a doctor.

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>>123546537
Doctor Brogue says empowerment is all I need to Ascend

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>0%

>>123546816
>DCSS
>Having precision over ease for the plebs
Pick one

It's probably just not excluded from a no-doubt shittily coded feature.

>>123546816
You're already under the effect.

>>123543159
>gehennom
no it's not endless it just feels that way
it's also one of the most annoying things about the endgame

looking forward to fnethack, one of the design goals is a much shorter gehennom that is challenging for reasons other than player fatigue

>>123546816
>under effect of song
>i wonder how will another song affect me
?? Thats like asking if im drunk why cant i get drunk once again in the same time..

>>123547062
It was 0% before the effect too.

I can imagine what's happening there, the real chance is probably something like 0.3%, then it gets rounded for display and you see "0%". They should just add a special message when the chance is higher than 0 but lower than 0.5, call it "below 1%" maybe. I'd pretty fucked if this happened in the middle of Shoals:4.

>>123547182
>not having a scroll of noise or fear on you

>>123547175
You can indeed be mesmerized by multiple sirens.

>doing shoals before vaults
fault

>>123547239
Noise stops that? I didn't know about it. Would any loud noise work?

I don't think it's such a great idea in certain situations anyway, I was thinking about fog to break the LOS in case of emergency.

>>123547084
Played dynahack? IIRC they did something to make it less shit.

>>123547350
>Doing shoals before Tomb
Fault

>>123547360
http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Mesmerize
Why wouldn't you wiki it? I think it gives you a hint in-game too and in the help

>>123547350
LOL

>>123547360
Yeah, it stops siren song, it might not be the smartest idea but its effective sometimes
Dont forget to check the wiki or learndb when in doubt or dont know much stuff!
Or just ask in here..

>>123547442
>>123547468
vaults 1-4 is objectively easier than shoals

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>>123547350
>doing abloo bloo
>fault
>>123547442
>doing bloo abloo
>fault
by your powers combined, you are captain double fault

>>123547549
Not if youre experienced and know your limits

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>>123547572
13 faults to go!

>>123547549
>>123547593
Also
>yaktaur captains
>ton of large dragons
>necromancers, wizards, skeletal warriors or death knights
>lot of other shit
How is that easier than shoals?

>>123547652
proper use of rooms

>>123547675
Not rly that smart sometimes when you bump into convoker or warden

>>123547712
Do you even Deal Four?

>>123547712
?
Corners counter convokers pretty much and wardens are barely stronger than high tier merfolk, and even then you can still run away a lot easier than in shoals

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Can't resist my wolfgirl charms uh?
Walking food reserve, pretty useful

>>123548048
Alpha as fuck.

>>123548048
How to treat a woman 101.

>>123534673
haha!
TIME FOR TOME4

Release me from this agony. Slay me, I beg of you.

>>123549523
Why not just play a better game?

>>123548048
>Wolfgirl
What

>>123549807
DarkGod said if I don't play ToME4 and buy his DLC He'll break my legs with a nine inch nail bat

>>123549814
awoo?
>>123546394
this

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>>123549814
Transformation is not complete yet

>>123548048
Cataclysm:DDA, directed by Joss Whedon.

>>123549958
>furred
Into the trash it goes.

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>A Series of Catastrophic Embalmments

>>123551880
>wolf with no fur
Ok buddy

>>123551918
The True Story of MuMohammad Ali

>>123551987
I suppose you could fluff it as being around her ears and a small lewd tuft.

>>123552206
Anon pls Im not part of your harem
Fur is good for cold New England winters
Also better than the feathers I had before the last injection of mutagen

>>123534917
I feel like this image was made for me.
:(

>tabbing vaults with a dagger of elec

yay vampires

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What's a good background for Sif Muna? In all years I've played Crawl I haven't found much use for Sif. As cj/elementalist I go for Vehumet, and if I'm summoner on necromancer I'd rather pick Kiku or even Fedhas. Sif gifts books too late to become relevant, and channeling isn't that awesome even with Invo. Requesting Sif winners ITT.

Do regen items proc on DCSS? Something like amulet of regen+troll hide armor+regen+ shield? Or even add a Vine stalker regen for overkill? I've always wondered about this.

>>123556851
caster mummy of sif

>>123557102
You mean stack? Yes they do

>>123557207

Additively? Or multiplicatively? Since maybe it'll only be worth it to get only 2 regen equips rather than 3 or something like that.

I doubt anyone got any suggestions on some stuff to spend your gold on in Unicorn? I sorta only I have 2000 gold, but at the same time these prices are a bit...eh?

Dazzling spray is the fucking best

>>123556851
This girl needs to buy some clothes that fit.
>>123557347
All regen stacks additively. the mut gives 20 points per level, the enchantment gives 40 per level, and the spell gives 100. You base health is factored in too.
Each turn you gain this many points, and every time you go over 100 you restore a hit point.

>>123558020
>girl

check your privilege son

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what the fuck, why isn't blink working?
I activated it three times with 3% fail chance and all I got was
>you feel jittery for a moment
is it because there's not enough space?
>later
I just netted the balrug and stabbed him, it was probably just because there was nothing in my LOS.

>>123558264
Definitely a female skullgirls character you degenerate.

>>123558597
You need to see open blocks in your fov to blink

>>123558597
You can only blink to empty tiles in your line of sight.

How do I take items off my pickup list? Accidently picked up some arrows and now I can't stop

>>123558597
>doing elf after the patrol change

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Heh, nothing personnel kid

Can you remove these gems for the slots on items? I think you can't in this Unicorn game. Man, I wish it had a wiki even though it doesn't seem...that great. It has potential though.

>>123544656
>Almost every time i'm sacrificing shit at an altar
>Snapping wands of digging in gehennom once they run out of charges
>Snapping wands of striking in the early game as a panic button
>Wands of light in juiblex's swamp if there's too many fucking gremlins
>Wands of cold on the fire plane
Off the top of my head

>>123559860
>patrol change
actually, all the elves were asleep.

I'm thinking the patrol thing might be bullshit.

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Which one of these is better in terms of damage? I have enough weapon skill for min delay.

>>123559860
I did Elf twice since that change, I don't even notice the difference. What is this patrol thing about?

>>123561516
Use fightsim to compare weapon damage.

>>123561516
The speed one

>>123561736
They are supposed to no longer leave the loot vault, so no more killholes

I thought they made it so that dazzling spray doesn't work on demons anymore?

>the +11 long sword "Xookeh" {speed}
Hmm.

HMMM.

>>123561846
I'm pretty new to this, so I'm not sure how killholes worked. You dug a curved hole in the wall and shouted, is that it? Anyway, you can just go in there, as soon as you see one throw something at it and quickly backtrack to your hole. You will get hit at most once. Sure it takes more time than just waiting in your hole but the difficulty hasn't gone up at all. Only a few elves don't leave the final rooms of the vault, but it's been like that before the change too.

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>>123548048
Not furry enough, its fucking cold in there. Does each level get colder? Im at -2 levels

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I'm not sure if rings like this are common but compared to the rings I have this is pretty crazy.

>>123563103
Never seen an aura of retaliation desu senpai

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>>123559957

Truly the weapon for a great samurai

>>123563103
>all aura
Can be pretty good on some meleedudes.
Usually you just want a ring with a bunch of resists though.

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I got the results of the tests back. I definitely have tabbitis.
They also said it's spread already and I have the entitillitus too.
What is it about ToME 4 I just can't grasp?

>>123563346
I wonder what the fuck will we do about resists when 4.0 comes out and the pips give much less %.
>>123564104
You're playing it wrong, when I started playing ToME I had tabbitis too.
You gotta pay attention to your surroundings more and escape more often into safe spots and killholes, also watch your infusions.

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Motherfuckers cheer and then eat you after you die in this one...

>>123549958
>not making 15 serums and then binging it
If it was alpha serum I'd probably understand, but normal beast mutagens are so easy to make that you have no excuse.

>>123563025
Yes.
And boy does it get cold.

>>123564203
Chris is not lowering resists without also refactoring elemental damage.

Lowering the resist % and the overall damage means that resists aren't quite as important and that the first two pips aren't be all-end all in terms of importance in everything except time.

>>123564487
I still foresee equip shuffling on the spot to match specific resists in the endgame.
Which I'm sure will be boatloads of fun.
But we'll wait and see, I hope that won't be the case.

>>123564379
Well, I have almost all mutagen recipes... except lupine one.
Im upping my electronic skill now to craft thermal electric stuff, Z-3 is at -69C°, cant stay there for more than 5 minutes

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Alright this game's getting weird now.

>>123564821
You're not a man until you kill Kenshiro.

>>123534047
>BIG BLACK THROBBING Macabre Finger Necklace
I love you guys

>forgot about a potion of experience that a shop was selling for 600g in D5
>I'm level 24 now
FUCK

>>123564701
>equipment shuffling
Ain't nobody has the slots for that, how are you gonna haul around all that loot? If I don't have the matching resist for a tough monster I usually just fuck off until I'm stronger.

>>123564979
Two of our other teams were "Cropping School Dropouts" and "Rune Collectors Poon Deflectors"
I think at least we did pretty well in the naming gambit.

>>123565414
Set items to your shopping list in the future. Gives you a message when you have enough gold. It's one of the options in the shop.

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FUCK. That's 7EV right there.

New to ADOM, does anyone have tips to control the bullshit in this game? I open the first door in SMC and my only weapon gets melted away. I walk over the wrong random tile and I die. Also, is there really no way to control the rng in character creation? Star signs seem to be pretty important, why can't we just choose them?

>>123565703
>-Cast -Tele
Hope you're a Fo.

>>123565835
You can choose them in the shekel version

>>123565854
Nope. Sadly, they just had to go into the lava.

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>hexes are bad, guys

I'm really enjoying vampires, they're very decent stabbers.

>>123565835
ADoM is all bullshit pretty much. It's like supernethack or something without the same consistency.

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Trve cvlt game here

>>123564741
Cryogenic labs aren't worth the effort of going trough.
But the last time I did I just wore 3 sleeping bags on top of winter clothes and point-blanked everything with a Remington 870 loaded with 00 shot.

>>123566269
hwat am I looking at?

>>123566269
Is that Armok 1?
Where did you even find that?

>>123566527
Slaves to Armok. The prequel to Dwarf Fortress

>>123566553
Yup. Found it in an old drive, but I think you can download it from Bay12.

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>>123563235

Four armor shops and not a single cloak for sale. Guess I'm stuck with a +0 cloak until Depths what the fuck Gozag

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>>123563025
>7 hours
Please do not fail

>>123566464
Well Im there so I might as well loot it. With some luck I'll get my serum recipe, and if not I still get lots of food from all the frozen human bodies plus whatever the finale is

>>123566829
Are... are you using mouse controls?

>>123567001
yeah from a touchpad

>>123567001

Yes, why?

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>>123567178
Don't even joke about that.
>>123567182
Disgusting.

>>123566698
Cool. Is it like, playable, or was it an abandoned project?
I never looked it up.

>>123567432

Buy a mouse, be the mouse.

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>finally get around to watch a random MuMo episode
>expect maximum autism
>get friends chilling instead
>80% content is contagious mediterranean laughter
Truly roguelikes are the choice of entertainment of the gentleman.

>>123566829
Leave loot inside the lair, not outside of it

>>123568234
Monsters can't pick up items you've seen anymore, you can stash anywhere you want.

>>123568471
Jellies

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>>123566935
Am scared
There is a shoggoth on the other side too

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Okay, I think I might be retarded. I just started playing Cataclysm DDA for the first time. I took Krav Maga as my style like it reccomended in the pastebin, but it seems that all I can do is feint. I'm assuming i'm not hitting anything with this. Do I just unequip the style and use it situationally or something? I don't get what i'm doing wrong.

>>123568674
Jellies don't destroy items any more.

>>123568674
He's not a Jivya worshipper. That doesn't happen anymore.
You can also use ammo on them now.

>>123569309
Do you have unarmed skill?

>>123569329
>>123569428
Huh wait what the fuck? Since when?

>>123569443
I just started this game, so it's at 0. Should I make nail-fists and take off Krav Maga then punch shit till it levels up?

>>123567443
they abandoned because grafics were a bitch to make. then they started working on dorf fort

there's nothing to do in the game besides punching local flora

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>>123568920
Yes, finally got the recipe for lupine serum. I cant hack the computer in the last room but not sure what would happen except releasing some horrors, Ill probably just go back to take some human meat and grind my cooking till I can make the serum

>>123569613
Keep Krav Maga activated, its better than no style, you are just shit at fighting

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>>123569703
Haha
>chapter 1 basically doesn't exist
>let's make chapter 2!

>>123569613
No, I'm pretty the feinting is doing SOMETHING. Probably stops zombies from hitting you. And you're definitely still getting skill. Just wait until you get a point or two, and you should start doing some damage.

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NO
NO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>123569493
0.17 I think.

>>123570079
He quit his day job to make Chapter 2.
Well, technically, he quit his day job because he didn't like it, but the effect was much the same.

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>>123570079
>he never listened to hot sauce committee part 2

>>123570209
What a meaningful and fitting way to end a player's run, truly these developers are the apex of video game design.

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>>123570209
Hahaha you fucking retard.

>>123570209
You fucking idiot
Still not as emberassing as that anon dying as flying lich on nebex lox or whatever the thunder/water demon lord is called

>>123570209
You should complain on the forums.
#removewater2016

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>>123566829

2nd rune GET!

>>123570361
back in the days you had a chance to crawl to the surface if you fell near a non-water tile.

>>123570209
>>123570547

>Prior to 0.15, it was sometimes possible to scramble free of deep water if your flight expired over it.
yet another reason to play .14 over trunk

>>123570361
The game gives you two (2) warnings not to kill yourself like a retard over deep water.
He ignored both of them and deserves every lost hour.

>>123570547
Yes, that was removed because it worked based on carried weight, less than 50% perfectly guaranteeing survival.

>>123570726

you never lose hours, you spend them!

>>123570726
Two whole warnings! Sounds like a great reason to have terrain that instantly kills you if X thing happens.

>>123570865
it's okay anon, I am in the wrong here.

>>123570865
least intelligent post itt

>>123570865
Nigga in Nethack you would move the wrong direction and die instantly without a warning.
The retard tax must be payed. Whether the warning is moving over water like a dumbass or continuing to tab that hydra after !!! LOW HITPOINT WARNING !!!

you know, at least it was a fun death.

>>123571229
And It's always good to learn that the game means it when it says: "if you do that I am going to kill you."

>>123571094
But nethack doesn't have the developers that use "nethacky" as an insult to put their game over such terrible, unpolished others.
Crawl does, and it's hilarious how they push simplifying the game and making every feature into a defanged version of other tactical threats, all while still having random instant death conditions. Conditions that have become harsher and more prevalent due to their "bloat" removals.

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>>123570209

>>123571094
Can you still fall down stairs and die

>>123571484

>died with the amulet of vitality, four winds, 16 potion of HW, wand of tele, wand of HW

It really was a fun run though! Vampires feel like a mu/VS hybrid. I like them a lot.

>>123571462
I agree. I misinterpreted your original post, thanks for clarifying what you meant.

>>123571484
This .webm is amazing. Forgive my ignorance of film- where is it from?

>>123571462
>random instant death conditions
????????

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I just can't do it.
Why is ToME 4 so hard?
I thought it was easier than Crawl.
I've even won Angband but I just can't do this shit for some reason.

>>123571542
If health is really low, yes I suppose the impact could kill you. Stressed or over doesn't let you move at low HP though.

>>123571542
It does one damage, so technically yes.

Probably you were going to die anyway if you are confused and at 1 hp.

>>123571780
Divorce Italian Style, I highly recommend it.

>>123570667
>it was sometimes possible to scramble free of deep water if your flight expired over it
This depended on the weight you carried and basically never happened.

>>123572205
You also fall down stairs when carrying too much.

>>123571973
>Why is ToME 4 so hard?
what

>>123571973
Nigga where are your Wild infusions.
Always have cure physical/mental or cure physical/magic
Your level 10 cathegory point should go into infusion, shit even have 2 Wild, one movement/tele, one regen/shield, depending on class.

>>123572473
My explanation was for DCSS, not Nethack.

I have no idea which game the original question was about.

>>123571973
In all honesty, no shitposting I doubt there is a roguelike that's easier than Crawl.

The only way to die in it is to get bored and start tabbing like a mad man, or fat finger yourself to death.


I hope you were playing Nightmare Roguelike.

>>123572760
>I doubt there is a roguelike that's easier than Crawl
Well, there's NetHack...

>>123572760
If you mean "which one you can win fastest", Forays come into mind for sure.
Brogue too, to an extent.

>>123572893
I think they're both harder to an extent, except maybe Forrays, but I feel Forrays is harder because you won't really have any deaths from tedium, the game keeps you on your feet, lower floors especially.

And Brogue is like that too, but much less forgiving for fucking up.

>>123572850
Have you actually beaten Nethack or are you memeing

>>123573190
>Have you actually beaten Nethack
I don't play games that easy.

>>123572760
TSL and OWH are both considerably easier than crawl, but part of that is OWH's modes/victory levels and TSL being incredibly short.

>>123573190
https://alt.org/nethack/ascstreak.html

Not as long as the top DCSS streaks but still pretty long.

>>123573384
NetHack is easy if you roll without conducts, Crawl is easy if you roll a MiBe or a GrBe.

Both were won by bots (NetHack only recently because NetHack bot obviously needed MUCH more special casing.)

Angband had bots ages ago, called "borgs".

>>123572621
>ToME 4 on insane isn't hard

Are you one of those super smart prodigys who can do anything with no effort because this is fucking bullshit?

>>123567182
now THAT'S funny

>>123573765
It's a lot of math and tedious as shit, but I wouldn't say it's harder than your average roguelike.
It's probably harder when you consider that this one's difficulty comes from actual resource and danger management instead of spoilers and wacky interactions between items, I'll give you that.

I don't know how long Brogue has been known, but I literally just figured out how to enter the treasure rooms blocked by statues
dang it feels great

>>123570209
This is what happens when you remove the flight spell

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>>123570209
BROTHERRRRR

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>>123575269
LIQUIIID

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>>123574578
>Some Oozemancer enemy guarding level 1 of dreadfell stairs
>teleport immediately
>it's there in 3 turns
>phase door since there is nothing else to do really
>get 2-shotted

That's some big-time bullshit going on there I'd say.

xtahua mumo up! definitely not running from any ice caves!

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Is Caves of Qud worth buying? It looks great and lovely, but it's kind of difficult to judge. How does the gameplay and variety hold up?

>>123575687
where's the stream? http://www.hitbox.tv/dckn is dead.

>>123575889
Download the free version, you double minotaur.

>>123575914
forgot, up now.

>>123575889
>Is Caves of Qud worth buying?
no, they haven't added anything worthwhile (tiles was the main addition) and the game is still unfinished.

>>123576003
Thanks!

>>123575941
But that's lacking all of the updates, anon. Those do seem quite substantial, actually.

>>123576071
anon stop your very thinly veiled shilling

>>123576046
>no, they haven't added anything worthwhile (tiles was the main addition) and the game is still unfinished.
Good to know, thanks!

>>123576071
All they really added was some tiles, I think. Maybe some quality of life stuff, but nothing substantial. As far as I know, the game still ends in the same place.

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Ah cmon
I need to find another fucking book, fuck this shit

i bought sproggiwood for android

yet another stupid decision

or is it the best you can get on mobile?

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>>123577751

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time for the really tedious half of the game

>>123577885
excuse me for asking the dedicated place on 4chan for an evaluation of a roguelike

>>123576604
Thank you RNGesus found it in the same lab

>>123577751
Hoplite is the best mobile roguelike.

The hell do you spend money on in late game PCB? The black market never has shit anymore and all the scrolls and pots I can actually buy can be bought with a single excellent quality item, am I supposed to just gamble on stuff in Morivant with my money or does it serve a purpose?

>>123578845
>am I supposed to just gamble on stuff in Morivant with my money
yes.
Actually you can never have enough money to gamble in morivant honestly. It's that good.

>>123578845
You gamble to get a golfbag full of staves and rods.

How long does a game of a non crawl roguelike last?

>>123579180
I'm a meleekilldudes though. Should I try to gamble on scrolls for artifact creation?

>>123579281
>I'm a meleekilldudes though.
just quit, do yourself a favor.

>>123579228
Depends. Like around 40 hours for *bands with overworld?
If you're a grindy type, more like 50.
Recently the ADoM winner troll dude had over 40, too.

>>123579228
Negro be more fucking specific3

>still new to crawl
>get insanely good items as minotaur fighter
>do elven halls for the first time
>die on elf 3 because I didn't know it had uncontrolled teleporting/blinking
FUCK ME

>>123579228
Stuff like brogue, infra arcana and OWH are much shorter than a typical crawl game. Bands are much longer.

>>123579517
>>die on elf 3 because I didn't know it had uncontrolled teleporting/blinking
It doesn't anymore.

>>123579517
if you're new why aren't you playing the latest version

>>123579662
>>123579685
My friend told me to play 0.15 because they removed a lot of shit from the later versions, should I just get 0.17??

>>123579771
>??
I knew it

>>123579771
Give it a try. Also call your friend a contentdrone.

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>>123579771
Yes. Tell your friend to stop being such a faggot too.

>>123579824
What.

>>123579841
>>123579863
O-okay, thanks.

>>123577887

what are your ui settings?

I've got two characters past Depths in 0.17 and I've yet to see a juggernaut. Is this normal?

>>123580620
They're super-rare.

>>123580620
They're pretty rare, and seem to only show up in depths 3-5. I tend to get 2 or 3 per playthrough, unless I do some zigs.

>>123579841
>>123579863
>Telling him to play an easier version
For what purpose?

>>123580803
0.15 is not harder, though. You could argue 0.14 was due to itemdest but that was gone in 0.15. So yeah, I'm telling him to play version without snails or centipedes, but with juggernauts and caustic shrikes.

>>123580803
>Less experience and loot
>Harder enemies in all branches
>Easier
Yeah whatever. .17 is much better for a new person as it is, due to a lot of the quality of life stuff. Weapons straight up tell him what skill level he needs for min delay, and there is more information when he examines an enemy. No reason to have a lack of information.

So, what is the hardest version of DCSS?

It's pre-manual skill training, I'm sure.

>>123581880
.1

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>>123580360
not sure what you mean exactly

>>123581880
It depends on what you interpret as difficulty really. A lot of new crawl changes add monsters that are closer and a closer in power level to the PC, while removing some of the more egregious abilities and spells that you have access to. Old crawl had a lot more clunky stuff like victory dancing, item destruction and corrosion that you had to contend with while having less diverse sets of threats and a large list of stuff that you could use to break the game.

>>123581880
The hardest version of Crawl is 4.1 alpha. You can play it online on CDO. It predates though Stone Soup, so no autoexploring.

>>123582435
This guy sounds pretty on the nose.

>>123582323
>it may lok strange
>lok
thank you based xXxDarkGod[420]xXx

>>123582508
Like you said, that isn't DCSS. (It does have autoexplore, actually, though it doesn't travel to and pick up items.)

I think 0.6 was the version with really bad heavy armour, so maybe that one is one of the harder releases.

>>123582323

pretty much that, mine looks a lot different and i like what you had going on, thanks

>>123582848
>I think 0.6 was the version with really bad heavy armour, so maybe that one is one of the harder releases.
You could enchant robes to +8 so apparently everybody just did that and it was fine.

>>123582323
Oh hey, you can actually disable the smooth FOV. Nice.
Never dug much into the visual options, that's good to know.

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>>123583009
Hurrr, meant FOW of course. Whatever.

Where do I go next after the 5 easiest runes? I have shitty MR but castable Statue Form. No sustain attributes in sight anywhere and I haven't done extended before.

Dump: http://pastebin.com/xPjc8vMF

>>123582848
Keep in mind you still had double SH value and
>>123582963

>>123583602
Crypt and Tomb, if you already done Tomb before and know how it's done.

>>123583645
>double SH value
No, you're wrong, shields were not nerfed.

>>123579228
ADoM's standard gate closing is 20-30 hours, leaning towards 30.

>>123583602
Pan -> Hell -> Tomb. MR shouldn't be that much of an issue with ++.

>>123579228
DDA can last months if you're oat satan
nethack too can last several months if you're a nazi autist

>>123583963
MR++ is really really bad, it means you're playing the race with the minimal MR gain or second worst and have no MR items.

>>123583759
>>123583602
Actually, wrt: Tomb. That was probably a bad advice since Tomb has a band of sphinxes who have Paralysis. It's probably doable if you are really careful, and nothing else in the Tomb really checks MR IIRC, but eh.

>>123583759
My bad. I seem to remember a rework at some point, but it looks like it didn't change anything.

>>123584320
It did change a couple of things - now the enchantment on the shield is worth twice more and you can enchant medium and large shields further than before. So, it was a shield buff.

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>>123570526

Despite the hardships, the way of the samurai refuses to give up! BUSHIDO SPIRIT! YAMATO DAMASHI

>>123584892
>147 Max HP
Splat soon, wanderer.

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>>123584892

YAMATO DAMASHIIIII! OXYGEN MUSCLESS!

>>123584892
Jesus, what did mangle you so badly and why did you allow it

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>>123584892
>>123585438
good job

what mutated you so badly

>>123585517

>>123585517

I am so sleepy I forgot there's a malmutate mob on the slime pits. By the time I turned back on the last floor (because OP royal jelly) it was too late.

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I have never ascended in any roguelike.
Someone please put me out of my misery.
What game should I play for the easiest ascension?

>>123586698
IVAN

>>123586698
brogue or dcss are probably easiest

>>123586783
oh yeah of course how could I forget IVAN, famed for being super easy and never in any way horrifyingly punishing