/rlg/ - Roguelike General

OHAIO /rlg/!!!
Let's play our best today!

awoo bitch niggas

Why exactly do you guys dislike tiles?

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Let's have a thread full of wins this time shall we?

Speaking of which, here's mine.

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>>123365554
And here's the score. It's such a shame that i had to leave about 7 or 8 weapon artifacts back into vlad's tower, but they were way too heavy

>>123365554
I forgot to screencap my smart kobold win
I'm not feeling particularly smart now

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>>123365554

>>123365523
Because they are ugly

>>123365523
>games with good tiles
Brogue, IA, OWH, SME, DCSS
>games with bad tiles
Most of them.
>games with good ascii/unicode
Most of them.
>games with bad ascii/unicode
Some bands, CDDA

>>123365793
SSSensational

>>123365886
PRIME has pretty good tiles anon, just pointing it out

>>123366025
Obviously there will be discretions for games I haven't played. I am not omniscient, unfortunately.

>>123365523
I like them, sue me.

>>123365886
You forgot
>ToME4 tier
ToME4

>>123365886
Brogue has tiles?

>>123365886
>DCSS
Maybe before the last patch, all the new enemy tiles are trash

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/995c8e35dfce
They did it.
They actually did it.
The absolute madmen.

>>123366556
I didn't even want to bring it up.
>>123366585
Yes. They're good because they are by the same guy who did the IA tiles, which are also good.
>>123366690
The BLOAX menace spreads.

>>123365523
I do like some, but most are fairly bad, ADoM in particular comes to mind

>>123366770
It always need to be remembered.

REMEMBER 1.0.4 PUKE TILES AND PUKE GREEN

>>123366770
Nice thats also a skybeast and orc mage buff
Guess they finally realized that the game has become far too easy

>>123367493
I want some more enemies like juggernauts and iron giants.

Enemies to make you turn 360 and moonwalk away.

>>123367913
>walking away from juggernautd

>>123367976
Maybe he didn't see you.

edit: he or she

edit2: she or he

edit3: hir

>>123367493
No it isn't it never affected monsters.

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>>123366770
There is nothing wrong with ToME's tiles!
Baka!

>>123368651
There is nothing right either.

So, another Forays question. I'm at depth 12, furthest i've gotten. I was lucky enough to pick up too scrolls of enchantment. However, which should I pick to enhance? So far, I think the dagger is the best weapon in the game because in the dark it can totally ignore the combat stat. between the rest their uses is arguable. The sword seems good for high hit points and regenerates. Mace despite ignoring armor seems lackluster and the staff uses really comes in handy only when facing berserkers, zombies occasionally, and a boar. The bow just seems like trash.

>>123368531
>No it isn't it never affected monsters.
You are literally contradicting the text of the commit.

>>123368651
>different pixel sizes
>LOS shadows fade in on a smooth gradient

it's a monstrosity that needs to be put down

>>123365554
you actually finished a game on mobile nethack?
That's pretty cool

What's the roguelike most similar to nethack, excluding variants?

>>123373251
ADoM

>>123373310
damn, I've been playing it but the more I play the more I want to just go back to nethack since it's so different

>>123373670
Hey man, don't be a one roguelike anon.
Branch out, win.

>>123373841
Why waste your team with mediocre shit if you can play perfection

>>123375079
Well then don't cry about wanting to play something else.

Did anyone win the MuMo challenge yet?

>>123375283
Hahaha
Hahahahahahahaha

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>>123365793
fucking nazi

>>123365886
>CDDA
How's that?

Are there some roguelikes with proper rpg aspects?

>>123377196
The problem with CDDA ascii (and everything with CDDA really) is that it's a complete clusterfuck. The menus are inelegant, cluttered, and sometimes downright obtuse to use, the sidebar is a mess- though this is a tough one since the information it needs to convey is pretty all over the place.

Even after quitting it still upsets me when people post screens of it. Not that the tiles are any better.

>>123377730
To be honest I like CDDA tiles, at least for their variety, I don't remeber the names, but there were some really nice out there.

xtahua mumo and stream's up for the guy who complained last thread!

>>123377706
What do you mean? With character advancement as a main focus, or storyline choices or what?

>>123377730
Yeah, the narrow (default) sidebar is gross, and the only reason it exists (I assume) is because they had too much crap to fit otherwise.

Even the wide one is getting crowded now (and flat out missing things that couldn't fit).

>>123365323
LAST THREAD LINK WHERE

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Help
Im overwhelmed by stupid blobs, there is an army outside, and its so crowded they started spawning inside. I guess it give me a layer of protection against zombies...

>>123365323
>>123379258
Sorry m8.

Old: >>123200715

>>123377730
I don't really see what you mean. The construction menu is pretty clunky, but that's just a singular menu, and the others seem fine to me. The sidebar has a lot of data squeezed into a small area, but the way it's displayed seems clear enough.
I mean, there are ASCII games that actually have bad interfaces. Like ADOM, with it's separate keystrokes for everything, including cleaning your ears. Or DF, with its dozens of menus. What does Cata do worse than those?

>>123379709
thanks, I want to read up on what got posted after I went to sleep

>>123379841
It's not about ease of use.
It's about it looking like shit.

It stemmed from a question of why /rlg/ tends to dislike tiles.

CDDA ASCII is bad ASCII in a way comparable to ToME4 tiles being bad tiles.

>>123365523
Tiles can be done well.

That said, I think there's often a neat prettiness that goes into the choices for ascii, and players who refuse to spend a few hours with the ascii don't expose themselves to enough of it to see that.

Also, tiles cannot be used in a terminal and thus displayed over termcast while ascii can. Termcasting is one of the ways I participate as a member of an online roguelike community.

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>>123379708
I guess I should make a flamethrower

>>123381109
there's a way to fix stupid blob spawns like that, by editing a line in the overmap specials.

Also, every time you save your game you up the number of blobs around you exponentially.

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>>123381109
>living near slime pits
Not even once.

>>123381331
How? Remove all blob flags? I had no idea there any blob outside so they had like 2 days to grow like this

>You will never be good enough to rank in the top 10 of a DCSS tournament
>bots can win DCSS but you can't

>>123365523
Most of them suck.
Basically what >>123365886 said. I liked some DDA tiles that were posted once, I don't remember the name since I don't play the game though.
>>123365554
Congratulations.
>>123373012
He's done it before I think.

>>123380217
It's not about ease of use.
>>123377730
>The menus are inelegant, cluttered, and sometimes downright obtuse to use

Okay.
Well, I still don't see how Cata is exceptionally bad looking. Basically all the old classics look worse. Angband, Nethack, original Rogue.

I don't really think not looking like shit is a major selling point for ASCII games, anyway. If you want pretty graphics, you make actual graphics. What I expect from good text graphics is to be able to see what everything is at a glance.

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>2 new mumo vods to watch
>He used my one day you may edit as a banner
Today is a good day.

>>123382018
>How? Remove all blob flags?
no, nothing that drastic.


[
{
"type" : "overmap_special",
"id" : "Slime Pit",
"override": true,
"overmaps" :
[
{ "point":[0,0,0], "overmap": "slimepit_down"}
],
"locations" : [ "land" ], "//":"what special locations does it spawn",
"city_distance" : [0, -1], "//":"how far from a city it should be",
"city_sizes" : [4, 12], "//":"what city sizes should it spawn in",
"occurrences" : [0, 4], "//":"how many per overmap",
"rotate" : false, "//":"allow rotation",
"unique" : false, "//":"only allow one per city",
"required" : false, "//":"is this special required for valid city sizes",
"spawns" : { "group" : "GROUP_GOO", "population":[2,6], "radius":[2,10] }
}
]
Radius is something like 20, 100 by default and population is about 200.
2 10/ 2,6 scales the spawns in a more humane way.

>>123383705
I assume it's too late for that, though, given that his game is already overrun by the blob.

Unless it deletes spawns that are over the maximum.

>>123384053
go into debug mode and select "kill every monster around", then edit the .json .

Of course, you'll need to burn the whole place down so you don't think of ever using all that goo.

Uh, /rlg/ I think I might be at the last floor of Forray. If you beat it or anything similar. My only question is, what happens if I throw an orb of freezing before they finish their whatever?

>>123383356
Only one of those things has anything to do with ease of use.

I think you have a bad case of shit taste if you think Rogue or Nethack (in their updated versions) look worse than CataDDA. Especially Nethack. What the hell are you on about? Will agree that Angband ascii is pretty bad.

The point of the original post was that it's hard to do ASCII wrong- even rudimentary ascii looks fine, but tiles is so so easy to do wrong.

>>123385548
>implying ASCII ever looked good in the first place
baka senpai

>>123385864
Off the top of my head Brogue, Forays, Sil, and Dynahack all look absolutely lovely.

>>123384961
Halp General! I wanna beat a roguelike for once. No advice?

>>123383705
ok thanks. Ill just abandon the place ramming my way out with my truck and go live in the sewers.

>>123386762
I'd help you out, but I've only gotten as far as depth 16.
I remember from the other guy's win that you have to stop a ritual of some kind and kill a bunch of demons, but not much more than that.

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>"I'm crushing these dungeons, let me farm some Adventurer's parties..."

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>>123386958
OUT FUCKING SKILLED

>>123386958
wat game?

>>123387396
Tales of Middle Earth

15 brogue
60 nethack4

>>123387759
Nigga what.

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>>123387464

>>123362541
I do.I need to spend more time in the seed catalog so I can use more strategies though.

>>123362541
Yeah.
No, 1.7.4 has been the latest version for a good while now.
I don't usually search for traps.
>>123390949
Bit cowardish don'tcha think

>>123391497
What do you mean? You aren't born knowing how to build an effective kit you know that can work. You aren't born knowing how effective some combinations are against the other and finding out helps you assemble a winning kit from the vaults by d:8 even if you aren't given obvious picks.

>>123391497
>I don't usually search for traps.
What, do you just find them with your face?

I'm still salty about having two lumen-capable runs with nagas ruined by crash bugs.

1.7.5 when.

So the results for the DCSS tournament are out.

Apparently Simone 15-runed in under 20,000 turns for the 2nd highest online score ever.

He got 3 runes in the time that it takes most people to find lair, and killed TRJ with only 14 UC and 10 Fighting.

How is this possible.

>>123392070
>Simone
kek

>How is this possible.

Have you not seen 4thArra play?
>take tonnes of risks until a series of 0.1% chances work out in your favour

>>123391932
It's easy-ish finding out what works
I'm mainly being a cunt because I won without doing seeds, I guess
>>123392021
>What, do you just find them with your face?
Mostly. I search when I see vents though.
>1.7.5 when.
Pender hasn't said shit yet, and his github or whatever isn't public

>>123392070
>>123392262
Someone* not Simone. Autocorrect a shit famm

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First game of brogue. What should I take?

>>123392496
i did too. But I like learning on seeds

>>123392564
Empowerment or tunneling.
Remember you can return later and pick a different thing if you feel confident on your food supply.

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Can I get away with using this weapon in Poschengband, or is the AC penalty gonna be too much for me at this point in the game? Cleared Icky caves, Camelot, Orc, Labrynth, and Forest so far and been messing around in the anti-magic caves now, so I feel like I might have enough dungeons left for this to maybe become effective. I'm not good at Poschengband though, so thought I'd ask.

>>123392564
~Empowerment or oWisdom.

>>123392564
Empowerment or wizardry

>>123392564
Empowerment (easiest item to win with, if you find a decent ally) or protection charm (becomes strong if enchanted a lot)

>>123392728
Scroll of mundanity which blanks its properties in the process.

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>Air Elemental in the Mines
I guess that'll teach me for walking around burdened. There were hill giants here too. Pretty nasty floor.

>>123392940
Does it still retain the "gains hit and damage bonus on kills" property through that or does it just become a normal sword? Not sure how that works.

>>123393084
Never did it, but I presume it loses that too since otherwise everyone would be saying to mundanity your rune sword.

>>123392728
>rune swords
Those are a bit tricky. They start out as (-50, -50) and slowly increase if you're killing strong enough things and at deep enough depths. It's pretty quick to get it up to (+0, +0) by holding ctrl and a direction to farm worm masses, but it takes ages to get all the way up to (+50, +50)...most people give up well before then. As its plusses improve, it gains various brands and slays, and it always keeps the lifedrain.

You'll need plenty of strength and +damage items if you want to actually be able to damage things with it, and the sword itself actually needs to get the kill (in case of dual wield) to have a chance at getting another plus.

It's "permanently cursed" which means the only way to remove it is to read a ?Mundanity, which totally nukes the item and cannot be reversed. I'd recommend making sure you have one ?Mundanity to save in your house in case you decide to change your mind.

The AC penalty is pretty hefty, for sure, but the lifedrain helps a lot.

Fully stacked runeswords are sweet but really not worth the time. However, if you have ?Mundanity you may as well give it a shot. There are very few permanently cursed items worth using that you would also want to remove ever (in an equipment reshuffle say), so you'll likely find another ?Mundanity before reaching that point if you ever do.

>>123393084
Mundanity causes an item to lose EVERYTHING. In this case, the weapon would become a 0d0 weapon with no abilities.

>>123393221
further clarification, beyond getting to +0 +0 the depth or strength of thing you have to kill in order to have a CHANCE at getting another increase is based on the monster's strength and the depth, plus IIRC uniques always give a chance.

So you can freely worm farm it up to 0,0 but after that you have to start killing real things. And getting from +49 to +50 is a lot harder than +0 to +1.

>>123386918
Was false alarm apparently. Not the end game yet. Man, I really hope I don't die to something stupid.

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>>123381109
Who want some blob glob? I had to nuke everyone with debug command cause it was lagging too hard to get out, but it crashed the game so had reload the save to do the killing without crash.

>>123393894
http://cdda-trunk.estilofusion.com/slime_scrap/recipes/CC_CHEM
Nice, lot of traps or mutagen out of that.

>>123385548
I'd say menu structure has very little to do with anything BUT ease of use. Visually, it's just text. Like, not even characters representing objects, but actual text you read. How do you even judge that?

And yeah, I think Nethack looks kind of shit. Look at this picture here. Is this honestly your idea of PRETTY? It doesn't even bother with box-drawing characters for the walls, it just uses lines, so the corners don't even tesselate. And the positive-space corridors are garish. The graphics serve their function, but I would absolutely not use this as an example of good visual design.

I pretty much agree with your assessment of tiles vs. ASCII, though.

>>123392795
>>123392834
>>123392882
>>123392713
I ended up taking the charm since it seemed to be the most immediately useful item. It saved my life against a pink jelly, so I'll try not to think of what could have been. Should I use my ID scroll immediately to ID something? Is there anything in my pack that I should ditch, like the mace? How should I go about ID'ing all these potions?

>>123394282
/rlg/ pls
pls.

>>123393221
>It's pretty quck to get it up to (+0, +0) by holding ctrl and a direction to farm worm masses

You just saved me so much time, I decided to go ahead and use it since I've got a mundane scroll in my house. I did have to fiddle with my equipment in a way I didn't like while I'm getting it up to normal stats though, I had negative damage at first.

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>>123394594
Forgive me, my laptop pad is cursed.

>>123394282
>>123394757
The curse strikes again!
>>123394594
Charm is acceptable too.
ID is usually best left for staves and wands, to know the exact amount of charges they have at the time, other items id or semi-id after a period of time. It can be useful for other things (rings because they take a long ass time to ID, armor when you're trying to choose or know a runic) but wait on it. ID scrolls are very rare, by the way.
About potions, just quaff them, near water is a good idea most of the time. Hopefully one of them is detect magic. IDing in an unexplored level can be beneficial (because of said pot) but be careful.

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>>123393894
Fuck, lost too much wheels getting out and now zombies are raping my car. Ill have to abandon it and try to come back this night save the essential stuff.

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>>123394282
>>123394624
I blame /egg/. They've taught me horrible, awful practices.

>>123394757
>>123394940
Also
>filename
You know how in Crawl you can press 5 to rest and heal?
You can do that in Brogue with Z. Never ever do it.

>>123394968
Yeah, once you have a jack put in at least 4 redundant banded cart wheels inside of the quarterpanels/boards. You crunch more loot but it keeps you going in a pinch long as you have the acceleration

>>123395086
This, it only leads to starvation.

>>123394749
glad it helped

that trick is also helpful when fighting while confused, so that you don't step off of your tile

>>123395052
>>123394282
We're not talking about pretty.
We're talking about the lesser of two evils. That is not as bad as this garbage:
>>123394968
>>123393894
Few games go above and beyond in terms of ASCII design, but most are servicable.
CDDA is atrocious and you are free to disagree, but you are wrong to do so.

>>123394940
>>123395086
Thanks. I died as a result of wading passed some eels and quaffing creeping death before I had a chance to recover some HP. I was relying on those blood plants for HP regen since I've heard so much about how brogue will starve you to death if you wait around. I managed to ID detect magic, I assume red means nonmagic, blue means magic? How does this work for potions?

>>123395627
Hit D

>>123395627
Red = bad, Blue = good

>>123395627
In potions, red means harmful to you, blue means good.
In items, red is cursed (negative enchantment, possibly a cursed runic) blue is blessed (the oppossite: positive enchantment and possibly a good runic). Something that was on the level/your pack when !DMagic was used and doesn't get blue/red will be ID'd as +0.
For staves and wands, since they can't be used directly on yoursefl, red means bad when used on enemies (and good when used on allies, be mindful of that) blue means good when used on enemies (tele is still good on allies).

Use the Discoveries screen for a bit more info.

Gawd damn it. I'm so sadface right now. I got to depth's twenty only to die to fucking orc war mage. I have no tools to counter them at all.

So how do these DCSs banners work? Do they stay on your profile until the next update/tournament?

>>123396532
Look at the .15 tourney pages, they're still there.

>>123395529
I cannot understand how someone could possibly be this wrong.

>>123396821
The feeling is mutual.

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>>123395884
>>123395918
>>123395958
Thanks guys. Its really nice that they tell you the distribution of items via D. One last thing before I start cooking for the holidays. Would the brand on this axe activate when I hit multiple dudes with cleave? Is this axe worth enchanting further?

>>123397326
>Would the brand on this axe activate when I hit multiple dudes with cleave?
Yes, hitting more than one thing will give you more chances to activate the runic.

> Is this axe worth enchanting further?
Probably? It will tell you the chance of activation once you kill enough stuff with it.

>haste charm
>axe of speed
Enjoy being sanic.

>>123397326
I have no idea.

Check it's description maybe?

>>123397326
Enchanting the Haste charm to +8 gives you 33% uptime. It's incredibly good.
And an Axe of Speed is a very good weapon. Haste+Speed weapon is a very strong melee build.

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>>123394968
Shockers and acid Zs put me in a pretty bad shape, but I managed to lost most of em and holed up in a bathroom for some hours eating aspirins waiting for the pain level to go down. Now Im surrounded by a huge horde but I was lucky enough to find a working car, so Im going to the nearest subway station and hopefully I can catch some rats before I start starving to death.

>>123397326
Yes, yes, if you can get a ring of reaping the haste will let you keep speed active despite occasional misses.

>>123399296
Stock up on cotton balls from disassembling pillows. If you have the first aid book to read to first aid 3 you get a decent amount of hp back per ball and in a pinch you can slam booze to drop your pain. I love me a hip flask/small plastic bottle of cheap whine.

Why is dck playing 0.15?

>L:1
>seven-headed hydra greets me
>park her upstairs in D:9
>enter L:1 again
>another seven-headed hydra
>previous one camps the stairs
2 seven-hydras a few tiles away from entrance to Lair is fucking bullshit, but I guess I should have parked that first hydra in a corner of the map instead of near the entrance. Fucking god damn.
I don't know what to do, they can 2-shot me.

>>123400257
The thing is all my shit is in my wrecked van, I used my first aid kits and bandages I was carrying already. Also I got some morphine left but I saved it this time. But I encountered the sewer rats I was hoping for and got water from a vending machine at the entrance of the subway so everything's fine

>>123402457
benis :DDD

>>123402673
fuck you baka desu senpai

>>123392564
Tunneling, or empowerment if you're feeling lucky.

>>123404948
nigga he died already and a lot of other people already replied to him with the exact same advice

>>123382205
Thank you. Only once, this was my second
>>123373012
What's so strange about it? Every time i post screens you guys are always surprised

>>123366556
To be honest family, I really like tome4's tiles. Especially the player tiles.

>>123386958
Enemy archers are goddamn monstrous. Probably one of, if not the, worst class templates they can spawn with.

>>123406106
I can't speak for the others (and I haven't yet commented about mobile nethack or your win, congrats!) but the one time I tried it myself on my phone, I found the arcane system of swipes to be too annoying to learn when I'm so used to being quick and efficient at the game with a keyboard.

>>123393017
The mines past minetown have a chance for polymorph traps to appear. Yes, it's complete bullshit.
Still, walking around not even burdened but stressed is an incredibly bad idea regardless of where you are, the only excuse would be being on altar duty or moving stashes

So has anyone tried new arcane start in CDDA? Is it fun?

>>123406681
Yes. No. Don't waste your time with it.

>>123406469
Wait you actually used the preset buttons? Fuck that shit, outside of rest/lookhere/farlook i just use the integrated keyboard, it even has a handy switch for ctrl and extended commands

>>123406890
What's so un-fun in it?

>>123406681
I turned the mod on and found enough of the books to eventually take me to skill level 10 but can't actually craft much of it because most things need a metalworking setup.

Though I think I found a scroll of light in a basement, but haven't tried it yet.

>>123406974
hmmmmm

>>123407019
Everything. Imagine dragging your dick through a field of barbed wire. now imagine you trigger a landmine every 4 steps. Imagine you have to travel a mile doing this. That's how much fun it was playing arcane.

>>123407279
Ok, your reverse psychology worked, brb trying it.

Does anyone know the requirements for getting the Dragonslayer to spawn in the Unholy Cathedral in DoomRL?

I'm pretty sure one of the requirements is damageless UC, and another is being on Nightmare, but I don't know what the other requirements are.

>>123402504
!tele, run up the stairs, preferably while invis/hasted?
Tele-other? Hydra have hella HD, but if you can score some distance... polymorph might give you something you can fuck up. Probably not. Lig+buff and fuck it up?
Lot's of options exist, really. Post your inventory you desu loving senpai

>>123383458
It was a great picture!

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great tele

>>123407534
I'm pretty sure you just have to kill everything up to that point, be on nightmare difficulty and...
And...
Take no damage on the level
Take heart, heathen! If you do take damage then you still get the Spear of Longinus!
Of course, considering you're flying blind, it's probably fucked already. And the level doesn't allow ranged weapons at all.
(Don't tell the demons that)

>>123409663
Oh, sorry, you'll get Azrael's Scythe not Spear of Longinus assuming you're on the Hurt Me Plenty difficulty level or higher.
Otherwise, the Spear is always there.

>>123402669
Take a looooooong, hard look at volumes and your priorities. It's practically harmless to carry an ample amount of medicines. 20 cotton balls is only 10 volume and with 3 first aid should get you a good 80 health back.A tin can lets you boil water immediately. A few long strings lets you craft stone pots, shovels, axes, adze's, and a camp fire drill without fuss.No doubt you've had more than a few plastic bottles, you can empty all that cough syrup into a bathtub, make a note, then make a few makeshift funnels and keep 3ish.If you ever get run off, it's easy to make a cap fire drill for fire, you can forage up some food and containers, setup some funnels near a dense stand of trees then get down to making spiked pits. If you can pick off some zombies for leather for waterskins and leather funnels it's even better. It's not to hard to have a crash kit still with the ~50 enc you'll have at 10 or less torso enc so you can survive indefinitely in a medium sized forest. Although, it is preferred you make caches of a little permafood, funnels, water, and spare tools as you can.

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after one week and countless deaths, i finally did it :3
this is the best game ever

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>>123413404
>winning a roguelike after only a week
Wow, they really have casualized it. Of course, since they seem to think continuously shortening the game will somehow magically turn into Brogue, I can't say I'm surprised.

Oh, and, uh, good job I guess.

>>123413404
Good job mate.

>>123413404
congrats anon! Nice triple sword

>>123413404
Congrats.
>emoticons
>>123414189
What's a hard roguelike to win, in your opinion?

>>123414189
Yes, so much challenge in those extra 12 levels of dungeon or 2 more floors of o-tab in lair branches/vaults.... Fucking cunt...

>>123414189
Why should it take more than a week to win a well-designed roguelike? Sil and Brogue both take less than that.

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>>123413404
Surely he would have had a much harder time in earlier crawl. You know, when anacondas were the most dangerous enemy in snake because constriction was pants on head retarded. And there was only 1 variety of vault guards, with nothing dangerous ALL the way to D:27. Fuck off.

>>123413404
Congrats man. You did really good to win in just 1 week.

>>123415178
Obviously the first comment is meant for
>>123414189

>>123413404
Oh, hello my man!
I've witnessed your victory.

Having troubles on my own run tho

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>>123413404
Well done, anon.

>>123414189
Pretty rude, to be honest.

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>>123399296
Oh the sun is already out, I had almost finished moving all my stuff underground. Had to kill a shocker brute in melee but otherwise no problems, helps that the car is just a few tiles from the sewer entrance. Gonna explore a little underground during the day and go to sleep after to make sure Im always awake at night

>>123412316
Health is hardly a problem, the only danger is high pain or getting grabbed with dangerous Zs around

>>123416356
Is that all dead ooze and zombies? Think of all the super glue.

>>123416693
Wish nails didn't take 3 hours to craft. Make make a nail mold or something Makes me feel like nail board traps could be cool if they weren't insufferable to make.

>>123416693
But what can you do with a ton of superglue anon? And there's noone to sell it to...

>>123416823
Can't you burn/demolish a house for all the nails?

>tfw no extreme weather in DDA
Shit would be so comfy, waiting out some turbo blizzard or toxic blood hurricane and watching it reek havoc outside your window.

>>123416823
>Nailboard traps
>Not based CALTROPS
How would you feel about spiked pits that you can pick up and take with you? They're easy to make, although it takes a little while.

>>123416905
INFINITE BANDAGES. Or you could hot glue the world I guess. I think you can use glue for arrows and bolts too.

>SpEn
>Read-id acq which seem to be much more common in recent versions
>No clear choices so go for weapon
>Get a rapier
>+4, that's good
>Venom, mmk
>rC+, yes.
>Str+4 yes!
>Int +4, Yes!!!
>Dex -5
Fuck.

>>123417163
>tfw acid rain gone
>now they also removed item destruction

>>123417383
>>now they also removed item destruction
W-what?

>>123416693
>super glue
>not mutagen

>>123417383
To be fair, acid rain probably benefited the player more than harmed because all the monsters would melt.

>>123417383
Wait, there was an acid rain in there? And they completely removed it? Why?

>>123409663
It's not that, I've seen a video in which the player does damageless UC N!, has 100% killrate, and only gets Azrael's Scythe. I just saw a video where the same player does not have 100% killrate when entering UC, takes damage in UC, and still gets the dragon slayer.

>>123417383
And here's me worrying about acid rain because all my funnels were outside.
I wonder why it and item destruction were removed.
When were they removed?

>>123418079
Eh maybe, I dont really remember that to be honest

>>123418139
Not sure, it's supposed to come back improved one day

>>123417436
Spitter acid doesn't melt the shit out of items anymore. No doubt endless crying in the forums lead to this.

>>123418327
Well, bad wiki is bad, what do you expect.
Sorry for the reading comprehension thing.
Uh, hey. Find out for us and let us know.

>>123418079
True, but it was super spooky waking up to see a bunch of corpses littering your backyard.

>>123418731
I have a suspicion that a damageless Hell's Arena is a condition, but I'm not sure and not good enough to pull off the run yet. It's the main difference between the two replays I watched.

I'm pretty sure that having the Dragonslayer will spawn the Berserker Armor in the Mortuary or Limbo, I know I've seen suggestions that doing those levels damageless is a condition to get it to drop, but it is not true.

>>123418327
Version number?

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>>123417383
I can only imagine how npcs would react to acid rain damage in their current state

>>123419706
Well, I guess it makes sense now.

>>123419706
The answer is pretty easy, they wouldnt react at all

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Hm.

I wonder what the strategy here is. Do they shoot animals? I guess waiting long enough would run them out if so. Probably just leave since experimenting will likely just end up with me dead.

>>123419920
I think they do move out of acid puddles now (and toxic gas), but I doubt they would seek shelter.

>>123419474
0.9.9.7 on both, they're relatively recent videos.

Here is the non-100% kills non-damageless UC video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVqzhRAi0sY

Here's the 100% kills, damageless UC video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eLeQzxSLlY

From searching I have done, I think that total damage taken may play a part in the spawning, as well as having a fairly high kill rate.

>closed source roguelikes

>>123419989
Don't think so. If you have horses on, you can train them over and drape them onto the turrets. They'll keep reanimating until the turrets are dead.

>>123420412
A-anon?

>>123420814
Yes?

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>>123420814
Hello? Yes? This is anon.

>>123421224
Nice thumbnail, dweeb.

>>123420412
Can't you still ride horses though?
I would take being a post-apocaliptic cowboy over riding shitty scrape-cars any time of a day.

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>>123421409
Thanks.

>>123421423
I see, I meant hordes. Find a zombie horde, kill the fast things, then just outrun them behind then across. They'll draw fire from the turrets then die, reanimate, repeat until the turrets pop.

>>123420195
I guess so. You sorta lost me.

>>123421423
If you want, park your car a tile or more out from the town and go deconstruct furniture to get nails for 2+ wooden frames and make a shitty little wood shopping cart. Escape isn't as easy but there's less getting bogged down and ramming/deconning vehicels.

>>123421423
Motorcycles and pickup trucks, senpai. Maximum comfy.

>>123419989
When I found one of these outposts, half the fence was gone along with one turret for some reason, so I just waited until night and threw ruk

Although it would be pretty comfy to brush and feed your horse, and to have to leash him to a pole or something whenever you got off to go looting.

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All hope is lost
Why is the subway full of zombies, they can go underground now?

>>123423169
>Not giving your horse bionics so it can fight alongside you while you loot

>>123421783
Damn, but it really got my hyped on the possibility of riding horses. Devs should really make this shit happen.
>>123422845
Yeah, I guess, but it's still not the same as being a fucking cowboy or having a cavalry charge, or being a cyber-kight with a lance saving the world from the unholy wizardry. My dick is semi-hard already.

>>123423259
That's not as comfy, anon. It's all about the small, mundane tasks between eviscerating the festering carcasses of your former neighbors and bathing in their blood.

>>123423415
Still, having a monomolecular blade protruding from your horses head like a unicorn would be pretty cool.

What about giving horses mutagen?

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DCSS baby again. I splatted my sanic axe character against some ogres. I think he would have lived longer had I used his enchants on an armor or something. When should I be burning my enchantment scrolls?

>>123423647
>squelching into town on your goo horse
Kinda cool. And weird. And a bit lewd.

>>123423681
that's actually one of the more difficult decisions
You know in advance roughly how many enchantment scrolls will spawn per playthrough, but choosing when and on what to use them is not easy. Even when you make a statistically correct choice, you can still have some awesome better candidate too late and have to pursue a win without using it.

>>123423647
I can't rightfully argue with either of those, anon. You're hired.

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Popped in to check out if anything's going on connecting to termcast.org over telnet

The prerecorded nethack channels are of course going, as usual. Then there's qw (a crawl bot) that apparently is outputting the cool thresholds reached by a whole posse of simultaneously running clones, which is new. There's a crawl dev playing some crawl, a poschengband 3.5 running a giant, and most importantly, "breadcast" pic related

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>>123423415

>>123365323
is there a terrain type mod for cataclysm? something that changes it from new england to something else

>>123423681
Answer is pretty much it depends. I like to do around d:8 or once I have enough of a kit that I can expect to win with what I have or I'm gonna die if I don't start enchanting something because I have no negative pots left and even copious usage of fire, chasms, lakes, and traps isn't getting it done.

>>123423871
I'll play around with it than. Is it normal for allies to be fucking stupid? My goblins just stepped on a pressure plate and I lost one of them because they're didn't know to get out of the caustic gas.

>>123423681
Save the wands. Being David Bowie can be viable but you'll probably find something better soon.

About enchants, well. It depends. "When shit gets hard" is a good point.
>>123425223
>Is it normal for allies to be fucking stupid?
Yes. Yes it is.

>>123425223
>stupid allies
does somebody have the brogue pic of the confused ally going back and forth between all the traps?

>>123425296
I suppose I'll hold out until it is absolutely necessary. I just found a really cozy vault.
>Warding glyph with a aged bed roll and some loot

>>123425396
How horrifying.

Has anyone here ever won with Octopode Berserker, Gladiator, Chaos Knight, or Fighter? Rings of Protection and Slaying are not common enough it seems. My defenses remain too low even if I get a good early game. Axes seem like they would be good on paper, with the tentacle proc on up to 8 enemies, but I die before I can get it off because my EV is garbage unless I go with Chei and my AC is beyond garbage.

>>123425396
I thought having an ally with negation was cool for revenants.

Then he negated a discordant ally and it wasn't so fun any more.

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>>123425018
>tfw someone responds to you with a screencap of you responding to them
One day our dream will come.

>>123426105
Good evasion and a shield or Cheistats

What were your closest brushes with death in a roguelike, rlg? I'll start:

>MfNe of Ru
>Zot:5, got the orb but only ~100 HP left
>Draconian shifter and Lom Lobon appear the moment stairs come in sight
>Passage of Globuria to stairs
>Draconian shifter blinks Lom Lobon and 8 draconians around me
>Use Apocalypse in hopes of stunning Lom Lobon
>He only gets slowed
>He casts Tornado
>Blink desperately and cast tele
>Down to 4HP while poisoned
>End up near stairs with Lom Lobon nearby
>Manage to blink and Passage of Globuria to stairs and climb up without him following me
>Spam Apocalypse all the way to D:1

And that's how I got the combo score for MfNe.

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Uh, okay.

I don't really understand these turrets at all. The only way I can get them to do anything is to fire them manually.

I'm feeling like creating a roguelike but I don't want to poop out a dungeon crawl or another 7 day roguelike.

I'm thinking a project I can get super into for a few months with a wide scope and then release the source before abandoning it because I'm too much of a bitch to finish things so some other sap can pick it up and do the rest for me.

So it'll probably be a rogue-ish. Ala cata.

Someone talking shit about a western roguelike with comfy aspects and bionic horses resonated with me so lets take a bit and worldbuild.
Lets start with some mechanics.

>Open world.
>Randomly generated settlements, cities and towns.
>Rideable horses and somewhat indepth gunplay.

I'll take time and work on a gunplay system.

Maybe things like trick shots and all that but I'm not sure how I'll make melee worth a shit.

I want to go full autist and maybe have special moves and things to manage to help you shoot things, a possible action point system and the ability to learn and improve moves.

Things like shooting from horseback, diving to evade getting shot while shooting, shooting from cover, preforming trickshots to disarm.

Quickdrawing.

Give me some more cool things.


And just overload me with things that I probably won't impliment.


Settings, mechanics.
The works.

I want it to be a bit fantasy-western setting.

Possibly western themed apocalyptic but that seems a it overdone, not bad just not sure how I'd spin it.

>>123423871
>You know in advance roughly how many enchantment scrolls will spawn per playthrough,
No you don't. Like the rest of the loot, it's random.

>but choosing when and on what to use them is not easy.
Yes it is. Use them on your aux items immediately. If you're coming up on post Lair:8 to early midgame branches, maybe save one to create a *DA if you haven't found something comparable yet.

Character advantage in Crawl is worth the most at the earliest points of the game, and decreases from there. Always use your available resources at the earliest possible chance. Hanging onto them only makes your character weaker during the hardest part of the game.

>>123427940
>>You know in advance roughly how many enchantment scrolls will spawn per playthrough,
>No you don't. Like the rest of the loot, it's random.
It's not truly random. Brogue always tries to generate roughly the same number per seed. I don't remember what the sweet spot that it likes is, but it's a very weighted random.

>>123428129
Wow I'm retarded and thought that was a DCSS console screenshot without opening it. Ignore everything in >>123427940

>>123427605
Some aren't automatic and are just a weapons platform.. the ones that are, you turn on at the vehicle controls.

>>123428208
to be fair, the brogue player started his post with the word "DCSS" because he's identifying himself as a DCSS-babby branching out into brogue

>>123427940
I think it was roughly 11-16 by d:26. Food, strength, life, and enchantment are rationed out to meet a bare minimum quality of seed but also to avoid getting stuff like 30 ench scrolls cause >RNG >random

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>>123423253
>go outside
>come back 5 minutes later
>see this
Now that's just bullshit
Shouldve played with Zlevels, maybe this retarded spawning wouldnt happen

>>123427912
>western apocalyptic is overdone
you could always try steampunk. Or just copy The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

>more cool things
cattle rustling. Train robberies. Dynamite. The ability to wear steel plate under a poncho to stop bullets. The ability to wear a poncho. Treasure maps.

>I'm not sure how I'll make melee worth a shit.
Fistfights increase base statistics. This incentivizes melee combat. Problem is, most enemies won't ever let you get close enough to punch them. Melee has a disarm/steal weapon attack.

>>123429984
Make a fallout RL

>>123430554
>>>/mlp/

>>123431057
Wot? You have too much nuka cola pilgrim?

>>123427912
Look at the game Hard West. It has some cool concepts like ricocheting bullets off certain surfaces, being able to attack enemies if you see their shadow, and a luck meter.

>>123430554
Only if its based solely on fallout 1 and 2.

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>>123431179
>>>/mlp/

>>123431471
You have no idea what fallout is do you. Try not being a cunt over shit you don't know about.

>>123431563
>You have no idea what fallout is do you.
It's that post-apocalyptic fanfiction about cartoon horses.

>>123431657
Go ahead and kill yourself.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Fallout

>>123431741
So wait, it's not about cartoon horses?

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>>123431657

>>123431905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nou5wWKKC1w

>>123432068
I don't understand, 4chan told me it was a segment of the brony fandom. did 4chan lie to me?

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>>123431657
>>123431905
Are you serious? I can't even begin to process what it would take to think that all of fallout was pony shit. Do you get all your opinions from /v/ or something?

>>123432068
The only way I can rationalize this shit is he's some caustic underage shitter that runs around being a cunt on his assumptions and incredibly limited knowledge.

>>123432152
Don't regurgitate shit without understanding it you fucking kid.

>>123432068

dude, he's fucking with you

>>123432230
fuck of meriam i dont want to go to church

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>>123432230
>>123432265
I was merely pretending to be retarded

Why doesn't neck snap work on crusaders on Foray?

>>123433498
Examine them, are they humanoid?

Man, fuckin way too used to playing tablords.
Did you guys know that highelves can die like lil bitches to kobolds with clubs and hobgoblins as early as D:2?
Did you know that a hobgoblin with a dagger of venom as your first encountered enemy makes mincemeat of your ass with just one hit?
Fuckin wiz and rN rings and an enchanted sling on that first one, fuckin... Fuckkkk this game.

>>123433943
They are as far as I remember. Usually when i go to attack, I get "This attack was protected by armor!" Every time I have assaulted him. It seems a bit weird that it may not work on heavily armored people?

>>123433980
yeah you need to run away a lot

I find that mages benefit from some investment into stealth, and use thrown things to help reduce the burden on your mana

if you find a particularly nice stack of throwables (say, curare needles) it can be worth getting just a wee bit of throwing skill even.

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>>123434167

>>123433980
-20% hp is a hell of a drug.

>>123433498
Probably because they are clothed head to toe in heavy armour, protecting them from cowardly villains like yourself.

>>123434219
tis a warper i'm trying to get off the ground I think
You'd think I'd have had the decency to stop training translocation and pump longblades, but I don't think it'd have mattered. I should've been chunking the tomahawks and throwing ruks and all that too, but I somehow thought I might could just solo one measly kobold by thwocking it to death on D:2

>>123434539
>Not giving them the reacharound
There's always a gap

>>123434376
>>123434539
The thing is I have snapped the neck of the alsai people who are heavily armored too, but maybe their armor is more like chainmail as oppose to paladin plate or whatever.

>>123434842
Oooh! What if the crusaders are skellingtons! Fallen paladins cursed by their god to wage jihad in his name until the end of time. all you did was give him a boner when you popped his neck.

Other than bennu and juggernauts, is there any reason to not play mumo on trunk?

I'm a rogue-like baby trying to win dcss, I got my farthest, dying on snake 4 with one rune due to starvation. Any tips to keep food supply up, my big screw up was I kept using iron shot as my bread and butter spell since I forgot to look at its hunger cost when I got it.

Also, is centaur hunter a good baby combo?

>zig scumming removed
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WIT HTHESE DEVS
PATCHE ARE SUPPOSED TO _ADD_ THINGS NOT REMOVE

>>123402949
He's making a joke about Bennu

>>123436054
holy word no longer stuns

>>123433980
Just play a DEMo or a MuAnything and you will get used to tabbing with just about anything

>>123436437
Can enemies pick up and drink potions you throw at them in 0.15?

>>123436437
Seriously?

>>123436078
Play the tutorial so you learn something important.

Yes. It's the ezmode ranged win.

>>123434934
You and I both know Forray didn't go that far.

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>brogue
>depth 23
>naga ally with all the goodies, 3 potions of life, +6 conjuration
>s-move into a tentacle horror and die before I realize what is happening
I want to scream.

>>123437727
Yeah, I ran through the tutorial, just didn't realize that some of the branches have close to zero edible chunks. My autism over it may lead to me playing a ghoul something later on

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>>123438063
Honk if you want to die

>>123438072
Anything with respectable stats can get middling spellcasting to have ### or lower hunger cost and make up the difference by carrying chunks from the freshest corpse(s) you kill. It's enough to have your level 4's powerful and spamamble by lair, level 5's by lair branches, level 6's by vaults.

Just go chei and never worry about spellhunger again

>>123438396
>that pic
how can you fault so hard

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>>123438946
Seed 103, version 1.7.4. See how you do

I'm quite talented

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>>123433980
D1-4 or so is pretty awful for most mages. You really have to make the most of your meager mana pool, but there are a lot of ways to really stretch it that you won't learn as a tablord. You should always be throwing tomahawks, rocks, javelins and nets. Zap garbage wands that you'd never use otherwise on popcorn. Pickup and use whatever branded spear/whip/shortsword you can, even with 0 skill. Depending on what kind of backround you have, a 0 skill spear will be a major source of damage. That hobgoblin's dagger of venom could have carried your sorry ass to lair. Make sure you're always pulling enemies from unexplored areas into explored territory, and learn how to pillar dance. Watch some mumo vods to see how Dck and Blls evaluate and dance around, its extremely helpful. Oh, and make sure you ALWAYS engage with a full mana pool.

>>123439702
Is that the seed of the pic?

I don't need to play it to know you dun goofed, you had teleport (that's the most obvious escape)

Otherwise I might try later today

>>123440283
Yeah.
Ever done a jellymancer before? Cause if not, you're in for a hell of a ride that'd only be surpassed by some slightly better items and having a black jelly vault after finding a rod of domination.

>>123440089
>High Elf warper
>Mage
>Mana pool
Okay.
I uh... Okay.
I mean, I mostly just had the tomahawks of dispersal, but otoh I just had all five of those miss and also about as many rocks at point blank range at the start of this run and I'm doing quite fine anyways. But yeah. Yeah, thanks. I guess you don't go to /rlg/ for help without expecting a deluge of misaimed advice that glosses over the stuff you tried and admonishes you to do better than the rng.

>>123440462
Yeah, what a hothead. He didn't even bother reading your character dump so he'd have all the information he needs to give pertinent advice rather than generics

>>123440710
There's not a lot of variation in "The first enemy I encountered as a deep elf warper nd then it killed me the end amen" kits.
But it was a high elf, not a deep one, so I guess I can forgive a little wasted precious threadspace.
I'll just chunk all my dispersal tomahawks and use my scroll of blinking on the first hobgoblin I see next time.

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>>123440462
Oh shoot, my bad. I was doing some other stuff and only saw the initial comment. I don't have too much experience with warpers, but it should mostly play out like a low AC/HP melee dude. You can almost always get away with getting your weapon to 1 delay and pumping fighting a bit so that you can put that extra experience elsewhere if you really need. A lot of what goes into playing a low AC/low HP melee dude that can't wear plate successful is extremely careful exp allocation, so play around with it a lot to see what works. Don't sweat the early D kobolds with branded shit, it happens.

JUST TAB WITH EVERYTHING
PICK UP THE NEARST BRANDED WEAPON AND ARMOR AND KILL SHIT

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>>123441373
RIP AND TEAR! HOOARGH!

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>>123434934

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>>123441373
>>123441937

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>>123441373
>NOT RIPPING AND TEARING WITH YOUR BRANDED FISTS

>>123442948
lol'ed at filename

>>123442948
>Through the power of fists they become close friends
>Together they fight crime as gummy gums the criminal gumming dinosaur and Rister "sister fister" O'Neil

>>123443153
lel

>>123443153
LURE THEM IN WITH A SAVAGE GUMMER, BLOW THEM THE FUCK OUT WITH A DEEP FISTING. 60% OF THE TIME, IT WORKS 100% OF THE TIME.

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What the hell is this?

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>>123443905
It's a big room.

>>123443905
that's a Big Room special level. There are some mild associated spoilers about how often and where they can generate, but other than that it's just a big room.

>>123443905
The big room where hope goes to die. Clear is always water if I remember right so try not beign burdened

FOR YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>123443998
>>123444027
>>123444064
It had a fucking poly trap in it.
Luckily the one who turned into a balrog was a gnome king.

Also I quaff-IDed a blessed potion of invisibility about 4000 turns ago. I guess this is permanent then? No shops for me?

>>123444064
Oh and clear potion can be acid.

>>123444468
There's a way. Think critically and you'll eventually figure it out. This is one of those rewarding thinking inside the box moments that makes unspoiled so great. You rock you invisible man!

>>123444468
>No shops for me?
There's an item you can wear to negate invisibility. Of course, you could always go around the shopkeeper, too.

>>123444468
your invisibility won't wear off, no
as others have said, there's something you can do about it to be visible, if you have what you need

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>>123444626
>tfw get good items, kick the door in, straight up kill those punk-ass bitches, then take anything of value before leaving

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>>123444595
>>123444709
>>123444626
Well that was easy.

>leisurely strolling at Zot:5
>found a pizza
>"Mmm... ham and pineapples"
>pineapples

WHY ARE THERE AUTISTICS WHO PUTS PINEAPPLE IN THEIR PIZZA? IT'S AS CLEAR AS DAY THAT IT'S NOT A SALAD NOR A JUICE WHAT THE FUCK?

>>123445808
I bet you don't even put vanilla cream cheese and broned pepperoni frosting on your pizza or eat your spinach and brussel sprouts too.

>>123445808
Pineapple is a 10/10 pizza ingredient. My personal favorite is pineapple with japapeno. It adds a nice citrus flavor that goes nicely with the sauce, assuming its a more savory sauce. Learn to try things once in a while instead of putting everything in its own little box.

Is the random tele from ring of tele allowed in the mumo challenge? You're not evoking it so it should be allowed right?

>>123446045
no

>>123445243
glad you found it, and so quickly

>>123446045
The pharaoh sees through your petty technicalities. Did you not see the lesson in casting the hat of 15 runes into the fire? One should remain pure if you're to emerge from the shifting wastes as the true pharaoh.

>>123446045
>Casting away your purity

desu senpai, I would like it if bolts and arrows were made infinite, with different ammo types being different quivers.

Even with Okawaru's ammo gifts, crossbowmen will run out if they don't use other weapons regularly.

>>123447947
Just grind ziggs for ammo
OH WAIT

>>123448157
Did they remove zigs or something?

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>>123448157
I should have added "until they get to Vaults" because the yaktaurs and guards give you more than enough. The problem is that the game is half over at that point.

Your removal pains are noted, however.

4a1968d | Chris Campbell | 2015-11-25 01:33:01 +0000

Cap Sticks to Snakes power at 100
Since it's only a level 2 spell, and doesn't need to scale to continue to
summon more/better snakes for such a long time - the cap could possibly be
lower, even.

>>123448157
Become An Hero, simply can't be a pussy faggot anymore.

http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=ba5d826b19973b04c490a6b0a99446060fd21992
Add "a figurine of a ziggurat," evokable for a ziggurat.

Not currently generated anywhere.

No tile, yet.

http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=947f7b8d56153ac956f357f9469622fb56b68772
Place a figurine of a ziggurat at the bottom of all ziggurats.

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>>123413404
Gz anon!
>triple sword +9 of slicing
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>>123413404
93k turns for 3rune

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>>123448857
Is that what the other anon is so butthurt about? That you can't bumble through the first few floors of a zig for Ez exp and loot? I really like the figurine change, especially finding the initial figurine in tomb 3 and removing zigs from pan. Streamlines the whole zig game while removing a bit of excess loot and exp from the mid to late game. I hope it sticks around.

>>123449318
>not taking it easy with 3k turns per floor as your bandages flutter

absolutely disgusting, it's like you don't even know how to have fun

>>123449318
Take it easy, its his first win.

Crawl lost
>Item destruction
>Tons of extra floors
>Shadowtraps
>dangerous Juggernauts
>Giant Spores
>Proper Weapon Enchantments
>Lava Orcs

Crawl gained
>EPIC JEW GOD XD
>Nigger nagas and merfolk!!!! FUCK OFF WHITE BOY

>>123449525
Mountain Dwarf Paladin clearing the Hive

Never Forget

>>123449525
you forgot Djinni

>>123449525
Fuck off contentdrone

>>123449687
Fuck those things
Gargoyles are already babbymode but holy shit whoever designed djinni was a retard that should go back to roguelites

>no spiderspecies
>no wolfspecies
>no yaktaurspecies
>no goblinspecies
>no giantspecies
>no vaultguardianspecies
>no orboffire species
Just remove the dumb shit that nobody plays for them like felid, vampires and minotaurs