/vtg/ Warhammer: End Times - Vermintide General

first for reddit is designing our game

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>>122409219
Second for frogposting

>Garden of Morr
>jumping down ledge
>INSTANTLY fucking pounced the moment everybody is down the ledge but me
>everybody misses their shots
>downed
>can't be revved

o boi

>Enemy Below
>we blow the pillar and run
>molester rat catches me and drags me away through one of those caving in tunnels AFTER the blocking rocks appeared
>rat gets stuck in a spot trying to drag me so it can't kill me, but also my team can't reach me through the caved in tunnel

WEW

>>122410410

>Rushing the tunnel

There is always, 100% of the time a packmaster that is scripted to spawn as soon as the tower blows.

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Is it worth charging the drakefires? I usually just fire two quick chargeshots into a horde before takin' em on me shield.

>>122414572

The charged shot is a game changer when it comes to hordes. Let a good blob of slave rats (or clan rats if you have exotics) build up and fart fire all over them. Instant breathing space. Also, don't be afraid to overheat; it only hurts you if you don't let it cool naturally. Three or four shotgun blasts will leave a horde in shambles.

>>122414732
I noticed that overheating close to exploding slows your attackspeed though, so I usually keep my charge low.

>>122414930

You normally won't get above halfway--the only time I might get high up there is if there's an ogre and we have no bombs/potions. Then I just dump shots until either it's dead or I get my first overheat warning.

>>122414732
Can someone tell me the visual and technical difference between clan and slave rats? I presume slaves are weaker in all aspects.

Are clan rats the ones with pikes and polearms, and slaves just have shitty knives or maces?

>>122416312
Slave rats are the naked ones with shitty equipment. Clan rats have fur and better equipment.

Does pushing the rats aggro towards me? Even the Rat Orge?

>>122416563
The former, yes, at least in theory. Pushing a rat ogre doesn't seem to do shit for me - he seems to chase after who is doing the most damage at the time.

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>>122416527
thanks, guy

>>122416527

This, except clan rats also have scraps of clothing and are larger.

>>122416312
there really is no difference, they're both shit.

How much ammo does scavenger give when it proc's?

>>122416312
slaves are pink and tiny and only appear during hordes, clanrats are everything else you find around the place.

Do Grudgeraker and Blunderbuss deal friendly fire in NM/Cata?

>>122417387
1 bullet/arrow per proc

I'm fairly convinced that Rapier is the best melee in terms of spam m1 to win.

>sanic fast atk speed
>weapon won't get 'stuck' when cutting through too many rats
>best weapon in dealing with stormvermin with charge attack

>>122405179
well I went afk right before you responded

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>>122418172

>Instant on demand ranged attack, even if it is shitty

>>122418172
I agree, its just so fast that it really is ezmode

and headshot makes it great you just gotta keep it at head height and it negates its low damage problems

>>122418467
>finally beat it
>ending cinematic plays
>we're put back in the level, no rats left, loot music is playing
>backtrack a little bit and find rat ogre stuck on geometry
>game crashes
>I was hosting
>no credit
welp

What's a better perk for Bow? Scavenger or Extra Ammo?

>>122422610
Extra ammo. I've never really had a scavenger perk that proc'ed often enough to be even remotely reliable.

>>122422610
A high roll on Scavenger is 10%
So assuming that you get a kill with every ammo, over a 45 round Longbow quiver you'll get 4.5 arrows back bringing total arrows to 49.5

As opposed to 60 for Ammunition holder or whatever it's called.
In practice scavenger performs even worse.

>>122420839
Had the same thing.
We shot the shit for 2 minutes or so and eventually it went to the victory screen. Pretty fucked up though.
Also, I smashed NM and Cata for Chairman Mao.
Thank you for the motivation, mysterious anon.

What's the high demand traits for any melee weapon other than Devastating Blow?

>>122423883
Regrowth/Bloodlust.

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>Spawn into game
>Fall through the world

Truly a magical tower, capably of transporting me to strange and wondrous locations.

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>>122423348
2 legit completions of hard white rat and still no credit now

fuck

Bright Wizards. I have a an orange mace and an orange flame sword. They both have bloodlust and devastating blow. The mace has perfect balance and the sword has improved pommel. Which one should I use?

>>122430465
I prefer improved pommel. Also swords on fire are cool

>>122430465
Also:

I have a Drakefire Pistol with 5% bloodlust, 3.5% haste, and Channeling. I also have a Grudge-raker with 7.5% bloodlust, extra capacity, and knockback. Which is better?

>>122427592
kek
One time I joined an Engines of Doom game and a Rat Ogre punched me so hard I fell into a dark void.

>>122417474
Yes.

>>122430465
For some reason I really dislike Flame Sword's light atk moveset

Down left slash -> down right slash -> stab. It's the stab move that I dislike.

>>122430718
I'd say drakefires, if only because they're not dependent on ammo pickups, and can clear groups with its alt-fire. They're stupidly innacurate, but they also stumble whatever they hit, aside from the Ogre, meaning you can keep Stormvermin and assassins away with minimal effort (if you can hit them).

>>122431610
>>122430465
flame sword is much better at clearing out horde while staff is too hot, and yea I too prefer improved pommel

the only thing mace really has on the swords is superior charge attacks for rat ogre and specials, but I don't think that's too important since you should probably be using staff for those anyway

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Drakefires or Raker? The Drakefires have 6.5% chance on hit to recover 5.0 health.

I've seen the Raker do some serious damage at pretty long ranges to clanrats and slaves. I'm guessing its effectiveness on specials isn't that great but it has some surprising accuracy. It can't do shit all to Stormvermin though.

Maybe I'm just tired of using the Drakefires for so long. What do you guys think? The raker can still clear hordes somewhat, but maybe not as well.

Also, I don't care what you guys think, the hammer and shield charge attack is definitely fucking slower than the axe and shield. I was so anxious to get my hands on the hammer and shield and now that I see just how slow it is, it's quite disappointing. The ingame stat pages lie, if you try hammer and shield and axe in shield in inn back to back, you'll see a pretty substantial difference.

Saltzpyre and Sienna make such a cute couple it isn't even funny.

>>122435024
I personally have been using a grudge raker with +100% mag capacity and 5% chance of 10% HP, it serves me really well even with a relatively limited ammo pool since one shot can cut through tons of trash rats easily, i've killed four of them with single shells easy. The range is a bit surprising on it, you can kill one or two trash rats from a few meters with it pretty easy, but I usually save my shells for when they're funneled and easy to mow down.

As for it's melee attack, it takes three hits to kill a rat on nightmare and four on catacylsm, but does knock them over. However if you shoot and try to gun butt immediately there's a delay between shooting and meleeing that really makes it feel clunky.

You're right, it does shit all against storm vermin. Only with a strength potion was I able to mow them down, and even then they were already damaged by a bomb or two. You'll be limited on your rakers by ammo but it's immensely satisfying to use and rips through specials and the ogre at close range, especially assassins who will do a dodging animation when hit so you can close and deliver a killing shot with it. Globadiers get wrecked by it as well.

>>122435227
>witch hunter and rogue bright wizard.
no. you're wrong.

>>122435024
Try the grudgeraker out and see if you like it yourself.

As much as this general likes to say otherwise almost every weapon is viable, as Vermintide is a co-op hoard game. No matter which weapon you take, as long as you aren't completely shit at the game, you'll wreck the tides of vermin. You really don't need to limit yourself to one weapon just because it is the "best" at killing brainless ai rodents.

Just experiment and try shit out. The worst that can happen is that whatever gear you chose is shit, and you lose a couple of runs, then switch back to whatever it was that you were using before.

Anybody want to try some Nightmare runs? Steam group is kill.

>>122435024
I personally didn't like the Raker until I got an orange one with double the shots and 40$ less spread. Then it was all I ever used for a loooooong while.

Does Nightmare have the same number of exotics as Hard? Or does it change with each mission? I remember getting 4 exotics as options one run, but then only 2 the next.

>>122440485
playing harder difficulties moves the tiers of loot up

playing on cataclysm will give you greens minimum and usually 3 oranges and a red on the top.

>>122440709
>finish Cataclysm
>get a green
How did they ever think this shit was ok?

>>122441195
Because its an extremely rare/impossible outcome.

>>122436926
>rogue

She isn't though. Saltzpyre was actually planning on getting her back to the College of Fire for a fair trial when he took over her case and basically prevented her from getting lynched that way.

>>122443797
It's really not though. Happens all the time.

Absolute Best Trinkets:
Shared potion effect
Reduced Grim penalty

Okay Trinkets:
Fish
Aoe Healing

Shit Trinkets:
Everything else

>trying to get new loot for my soldier and dwarf because i'm tired of the only non-white items on the characters being trinkets
>get 3 blue coach guns while playing the soldier
>get a blue fireball staff and orange bw sword while playing on the dwarf

I guess I should just stop playing as anything but BW and She-elf. Literally the only characters I'm getting loot worth a shit for.

>>122443878
That's so sweet it makes me wanna barf.

>decrease spread by 40%

Does that do anything for trueflight bows? Or is just a dead stat?

>>122445321
dead

>>122443878
What did she do anyway?
There's not always a Witch in my groups so I haven't heard all of her dialogues.

>>122445406
She burned a burgermaster

>>122443797
It's only rare if you pick up grims. Even with 3 tomes and 2 bonus dice, you only have a 55% chance of rolling a a four or greater. Not supremely good odds.

>>122445406
Got accused of setting fire to a mll and murdering a town mayor's son.

>>122444662
>using the curse protection trinket
git gud m8
manage your health correctly and you don't even need it
on the other hand aoe healing, duplications, and potion sharing are things that you can't replicate by just being good

>>122447048
kek
Not that guy but I'm like 90% sure you are not good enough at the game to spout this shit.
It's a useful trinket, no need to wave your e-dick in an Anonymous board Anon.

>>122447190
I just don't obsessively go for grimmores every game because I don't care that much about loot rolls, which is all a grimmore is good for beyond gimping yourself to see if you can do it

the only time you are really in trouble carrying grimmoes is cataclysm

>>122447282
Fair enough.

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>join TEB hard mode to shirk responsibilities
>everyone in red health except me and the bot, probably an ogre or something
>rather poor performance overall but nothing I couldn't clean up after
>eventually a horde overcomes the team, gotta man up and drag these scruffs out of the caves by my own power
>get a green crossbow for my troubles

>>122448884
>playing on hard and expecting decent rolls more than 10% of the time

>>122448973
I wouldn't even be mad if it was anything but a bleeding crossbow. I need some Wizard weapons man.

>they still haven't fixed bots not jumping down the left path in Enemy Below

>keep getting Luck trinkets
>no idea what they do

>>122450734
go to bed saltzpyre

Is the dorf 2h axe meant to have a shorter range than the 2h hammer? It sure feels like it.

>>122450889
2h axe is more lethal but cleaves less targets, has a bit less range, and its swing arc isn't as wide or predictable. Also it tends to stop after only a few targets hampering your ability to deal with larger crowds.

you're way better off just knocking everything over with a hammer and then knocking it over again until it doesn't get up

I got the target trait for my pistols that reduces spread for 40%

Sure doesn't feel like it

>>122450734
make you more lucky

>>122450836
Why didn't you heal before the barrels

>>122451994
I was the one who did actually

>>122452027
Fair enough. I got an Orange so thanks for the run.

>>122452117
y-you too
>tfw no exotics yet

>>122452206
Just keep spamming Enemy Below and hope you don't get party mates that decide to heal during the section were your supposed to run like hell.

how do we cancel the vermintide?

>that vemintide reference from Salzpyre in Enemy Below

>got an orange rapier with 7.5% chance for attack speed on kill, 50% chance to regain stam on broken block, and super pushes
Did I do good? I feel like it would have been god-tier with bloodlust instead of stam regain but hey.

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>>122435024

>mfw double clip size and master crafted and projectile split raker

Guise how do you use shields with the axe

In the beginning I used to keep the shield up and push the enemies and then kill them on the ground with the axe but lately I have been doing the charge up bashing as both a push and an attack against groups (the axe can only kill one at a time) but there is a risk of getting hit, which one is generally better for nm and cata

>>122454382
It's simple, we kill the ratmen

>>122434521
I use my mace on stormvermin heavy maps or when I want to blow up pillars fast. Waterfront, Gardens of Morr, Man the Ramparts I go mace. Not white rat because of the omnipresent horde there.

I wish Dec 3 was here already. My inventory is flooded with useless oranges

>>122463596
> oranges
> useless
> mfw

Fuck anon, do you WANT scurvy?

>>122463596

I wish race war was here already. My continent is flooded with useless immigrants

>>122464431

You should emigrate to THEIR country, and get all your friends and family to do it, too. Soon all the filthy immigrants will be stuck in YOUR country and you'll be living it up in theirs, and then who will be laughing?

Does the charged attack of the Trueflight bow always headshot? When fighting Ogre, should I be spamming charged attacks?

>>122466682
Also, does it take long for the Trueflight bow to lock on to a target or can I just point my crosshair and shoot and it will be a trueshot?

>>122462559
You probably want to alternate shield pushes with your shield charge attacks. Never ever use the normal attack unless it's like one rat or something.

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Daily reminder not to post any exploits until the loot gets fixed.
Last time some streamer picked it up almost immediately and it got posted to reddit.

>>122468257
Do you know who it was so I can acknowledge who the faggot is among us and avoid him?

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>Ogre shows up
>Brace to the face
>Hagbane elf starts bragging about how hard they raped it
>Gets pissy pants when I take the next ammo pickup

When will they just remove the class entirely

>>122472171
Tfw my best drop so far has been a hagbane weapon but I don't like to play elf as much as firemage

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>Only Cata games are in China

Fuck

>>122473380
I'd run cata. What do you need to do?

>>122473936

Horn of Magnus/BP exploit

>>122473936

About half

>enemy below
>garden of morr
>supply and demand
>smugglers run
>wheat and chaff
>well watcher

>>122474596
make a smugglers run lobby

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>>122474786

>>122476302
Not sure what the pic means. But the only lobbies I can see are in china and japan.

>>122476765

I'm not the original guy, I'm waiting on the lobby as well

>>122476916
fuck it then. I'll make a lobby

>>122477115
Well if that was you guys thanks for carrying my scrub elf ass

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>>122470603
>loot shitters who abuse exploits
>calling anyone else a faggot

>>122472171

Kek elves always get buttmad when I take the ammo. The best part is that my shotgun is superior for clearing hordes so it's their fault for being retarded and not conserving their ammo on specials that the bow is meant for.

>>122487662
Do you -always- rush for the ammo?
Anyone who does that is a faggot, regardless of character or weapon of choice.

>>122487959

Only if I see an elf rushing too.

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What is best staff for BW on NM cata?
I somehow looted 2 exotic staff and a sword for her while never playing her.

YORRRRRRRRRRR

>>122489057
Beam

Is the handgun just straight up better than the crossbow for dwarf?

I've got a fireball staff with hail of doom and it never seems to trigger, is it bugged for staves?

>>122490625
handgun delivers higher damage and higher hitscan accuracy than the crossbow, so it is god tier for sniping specials. It one-hits assassins, ratling guns, globadiers, and packmasters anywhere. On the down side it doesn't penetrate any enemies at all, so it's only good for sniping specials.

The crossbow can penetrate about three or four rats before the bolt is stopped, and can kill most specials with a well placed headshot. Crossbow can be used to help thin out hordes to a greater effect that the handgun can, and has a bit faster refire rate as well.

If you want to be able to hurt hordes from a distance and have good aim, take the crossbow since the penetration comes in handy during hordes to hit specials that are hiding behind trash rats, especially packmasters. If you just want to wreck anything with one shot from any distance, albeit slowly, use a handgun.

>>122490864
the problem with the crossbow's horde clearing potential is that it's completely outdone in that regard by the Grudge-Raker and Drakefires.

>>122490864
Cool. Just that I got a crossbow with reload speed and extra ammo. Was using a white handgun before.

>>122491003
Not that Anon but that's sort of besides the point considering neither of those 2 can reliably kill specials in one shot from far away.

>>122490864
This is a pretty good analysis, I too used to think that Handguns rendered Crossbows obsolete but you do have some good points.

>>122491003
yes but it's a happy medium between special sniping potency and horde clearing potency, you can have a fair chance at both instead of just one or the other.

I got a decent bloodlust chance for my 2h hammer but the stamina replenish on hit is only 11%, is it worth it?

>>122487662
I save my 25 hagbane for either someone getting pack mastered or the ogre. After that I always check if anyone else needs it since that's the whole reason I'm running that bow since it's aoe is shit. Otherwise I prefer using the longbow for trash clearing with a puncture on it.

>Fag joins right as a big swarm/ogre/whatever hits the fan
>Bots completely tard out while fag loads in
>Die
>Fag dies
>Fag leaves

>Kerillian saying that the black powder bridge is compensation for something

SEXUALITY CONFIRMED

>>122490694
Please respond.

>>122494351
Not really Anon, she was just mocking Dwarfs for being small, filthy and noisy.

So is there a level cap in this? Looking at the achievements I figured it'd be 100, but then I read people saying they're like 155 and stuff.

I suppose it'd make sense for there not to be one, or for it to be absurdly high, since 99% of what they give you is just items.

>>122500042
Do you get green+ from leveling?

I'm just a lvl 20 who bought the game last week.

>>122502112
after around level 30 or so you just get straight greens any time you level up forever.

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I'm in the market for a new co-op fps, I have no friends to play with, should I buy Vermintide or KF2?

Why?

I'm a 40k fag if that matters


How likely is it to be in christmas sale over 50%?

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>>122504461
look senpai


I fucking love this game. I like everything about Fantasy and to some extend about 40k.

The banter is amazing, the voice acting is good, the gameplay is rather ok but filled with bullshit that in theory should be fixed. In a few days(20?) they are going to add new content and supposedly going to fix the horrendous Gayday2 tier loot system.


It's up to you, I bought it with a GMG 20% off the moment it came out. I have 300+hs, I am level 147 and even though I got bored a few times and felt like Fallout 4(hah) was going to take me away from it. I still find myself coming back to it though I'm just playing for fun, not tryharding Cata with pubs, glitching(is there any left?) or anything like that.

>>122504901
>>122504461
It was actually 24% btw.

>>122504461
I have not played KF 2 so I have no opinion on that, but this is pretty fun if you like the idea of first person melee combat with attacks that actually feel like they carry weight.
I don't know shit about Warhammer but it feels like the people who made this really like it and it shows.

>>122504461
I have both. I really like KF2 but I would still chose Vermintide over it.

>Moria mod
>Be a part of the dwarven expedition
>Balin, Ori, etc
>survival mode
>chamber of Mazarbul
>normal rats are goblins, ogres are trolls

MAKE IT HAPPEN

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>>122504901
>>122505027
>>122505073
>>122505153
Well, I'm going for it then, looks like KF2 is devoid of players anyways (less than 1k) its 17€ on kinguin so I can wait 3-4 weeks for Christmas sale and see if it go 50/66/75%

>>122504461
Oh, I didn't notice the KF2 part.

Well, I own both and I like both but there's like still 4 more months until martial autist and glorious SS comes back. I'm not booting up the game until then.

Just buy both you fucking poor faggot.

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>>122506071
Its a matter of time and dedication, actually

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>>122505383
suck a dick, anon.

a feminine dick

>>122506459
>being this much of a jew

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>>122506820
They are € not ₪
I got most of them out of pre region lock trades, god bless Russia

So, how does loot works/affect actual game?

>>122506519

>feminine dick

I take it that you're a faggot.

I want to ravage your boipussi while you're dressed as Kerillian.

>>122507318
nah senpai

I'm the other kind of faggot, the one who wants to fuck feminine bois and pretends to be manly

>>122507152
I don't understand the question.

>>122507468
>>122507318
Kerillian's body does look surprisingly good now. Maybe I just never really payed attention to it.

>>122507152
Higher quality weapons do more base damage, plus, they have special qualitys which range from OK to fookin' amazing.

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>>122507605
I mean, they are mostly e-peen/cosmetic like TF gear or actual gear like the one from a MMORPG

>>122507925
Actual, useful gear. You start with white-quality garbage gear, and you lust after delicious Orange-colored hammers, axes, swords and shields. Each color up is a flat upgrade, along with extra traits that are always beneficial (if not always useful).

what's the better trueflight bow?

>#1: Bloodlust, Increased Zoom, Scavenger
>#2: Movement Speed Increase while aiming, 15% attack speed, scavenger

>>122507925

Hats are cosmetic, all other gear has actual stat increases from one tier to the next. They aren't THAT drastic of upgrades; you can still do Nightmare or Cata well enough with a white weapon, oranges just make it easier and help close the gap between average players and good players.

Really though, once you start playing the hardest difficulty, 100% of the challenge is avoiding being hit since a single trash rat will rip off 30% of your health, and there's no armor or anything that will help you with that shit.

>>122509832
I have yet to try Cataclysm but it sounds kind of... not fun.
Nightmare feels pretty good as a challenging but still fun setting.

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>only good loadout I have for saltzpyre
>1h axe
>repeater pistol

>>122510206

If you ask me Nightmare is the ideal difficulty. Hard enough that you can't just brain-dead your way through but not so hard that you require a stroke of luck with the Director not fucking you in the anus as soon as it can.

Cata can be unplayable if you're trying to connect with someone on the other side of the states or something, too, since rats will hit you from like 10 feet away as soon as the connection hiccups. I'm glad it's there, though; I like the idea of there being something to strive towards. I'd be done with the game by now if Nightmare was the upper limit.

>>122509529
Bloodlust probably

They are both pretty shit

>>122510525

I'd use white brace over an orange repeater, m8. Axe is serviceable, but I still wouldn't use one over the rapier unless it's at least 2 tiers higher.

Did they fuck over the loot system?

On Horn it use to be on hard you could get two Orange slot chances, now it's only 1.

You might as well not even grind on horn anymore

>>122511125

Pretty sure it's random. You don't always get two oranges.

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>>122511125

GOOD. PLAY SOMETHING BESIDES HORN AND BP YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS

>>122511329

NNNEEEVVVEEERRR

>>122511557

It's not even the easiest or shortest map with tomes/grims! What the fuck!

>>122511706
People are retarded and follow the herd

>>122509529
Ammo puch, master crafted and health on hit.

I'd rather have this exact traits on a Longbow though. I fucking hate not being able to shoot a storm during hordes.

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>>122513282
I love my long bow.

>>122511706
everyone has played it's pretty easy to assume that everyone has an idea of how the map goes. That and they're just following the herd in an endless circle.
>>122513528
nice whitespace m8

>>122513528
fucking paint

>New computer, fx4300, r9 380
>Only got 4gb of ram
>Start vermintide, runs fairly shit, turn off shadows, lower some effects. Shrug it off, parts I got aren't great, game isn't well optimized apparently.
>Barely above 15-20 fps during horde
>Figure what the fuck, mix some old 4GB ram I have with the new stuff I got. 8GB total.
>Everything on extreme
>6 dynamic light sources
>30-60 fps, even during horde of 30 or 40 vermin doesnt drop below 25~
God I'm such a retard. But now I'm not sure what people are complaining about. This isn't a great computer and it pretty well.

>>122513796

Toasters, I think. The only times I drop below 30 is if there's some perfect storm of conflagration, gas cloud, swarm and bombs going off all at once or something.

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>>122513528
>scavenger
>s
>c
>a
>v
>b


I'm sorry, anon.

>>122515281
>trueflight

Nice garbage you got there.

is this game ded?

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>finally see orange trinket at the top of the loot table
>oh man oh man
>roll 7
>OH MAN
>its this

>>122516130

You can easily find full lobbies any time of day, or are you unable to enjoy a game unless 500,000 other people are playing it each day, 99.99% of whom you will never, ever meet?

>>122516323

LOL

About what is the hitbox of the Drakefire's charge attack? Can't tell with the animation.

>>122516130
>or are you unable to enjoy a game unless 500,000 other people are playing it each day, 99.99% of whom you will never, ever meet?

nah it's not that...It just takes forever to join or find a lobby for me and looking at the "In-game" stats don't help either

>>122517098

Press L to open up the list of lobbies. Cata is pretty dead most of the time since the only people playing it are playing with dedicated teams, but the other difficulties are fairly active.

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>>122517098
>It just takes forever to join or find a lobby

I never take more than a minute or two to find a lobby.
Anything in your own continent is playable, where do you live? Russian Federation?

>>122517458

He could be using some really fucky search parameters with the automatic group finder, like White Rat on Easy with no elves, or something.

>>122517458
What class would Putin play?

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>>122517704

ES; he's the strongest male character on the roster. Dorf is short and balding, and WH is skinny and crippled. ES is nothing but experience, testosterone, well-sculpted facial hair and a strong sense of duty. No homo.

>>122518035
>you will never have such impressive mutton chops

>>122518223
>He can't

LaughingSkaven.tiff

>>122510525
>40 hours
>still only whites for saltzpyre
I really wanted to play him but taking like 5 rapier attacks to kill hard mode rats is just too painful

>>122520019
>17 hours
>exotic rapier with lifestyle and berserk
>exotic heal friendos trinket
:^)

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>>122520205
>still no exos
>been spamming hard mode enemy below for like 20 hours

>>122520374

>Hard

At least do Nightmare. The bump in difficulty is negligible.

>>122520527
not that guy, but I have way too many bad habits of blasting my raker through teammates to clear hordes off them.
how screwed am I in nightmare?

>>122520374
>started the game on hard it was baby mode ez
>unlock nightmare
>legit no difference in difficulty as long as you're not a range pussy constantly
stop being shitter.

>>122520527
>>122520746
I only gathered a small sample size but it didn't seem to be working out all that well with the type of pubs I'd get and my complete lack of any exos. Hard mode is an easy completion every time. Guess I should try more nightmare runs for it.

regardless I've had really shit luck with the rolls considering 2 grim 3 tome

>>122520646

Not very. People are pretty understanding about FF unless you're an elf or you do it like literally every 30 seconds. It doesn't do hardly any damage unless you're using a hagbane bow, anyway, the worst thing about it is the little damage blip that makes you think a rat is fucking you up from behind.

>>122520840

Consider that a perfect run in Hard mode, 2g3t2d, will give you a ~7% chance of getting an exo.

Now consider that same run on Nightmare gives you a 30-60% chance of getting an exo, depending on how many of them show up in the table.

Why are you running Hard?

>>122520646
>want to play on Nightmare
>afraid that my tactic of "spam drakefire shotgun to clear rats around people" will cause too much damage

>Had several shit players on my team
>Easily 80% of them are elves
>Incidentally, the majority of the good players I meet are also elves, or on occasion, dwarves.
>After having a 3t2g cata run shat on by a fucking ammo-hoarding medkit-whoring elf, change my name to NO ELVES ALLOWED LEAVE
>Let it simmer, just me as WH with my BW mate
>We get 12 elves in a row before I decide to fucking go to bed

Why

>some guy joins enemy below cata group
>guys can we do smuggler's
>please
>guys smuggler's
>smuggler's please

I don't get it, why not just make a lobby if you are gonna do that?

He also just stood around holding his shield up

>>122522741
Reminds me of Monster Hunter and people posting their Urgent quests.
Fucking people.

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>>122516323

>>122521113
Because I haven't finished every mission on hard yet.

Pubs can't handle well defense for some reason

Does the chance to knockback modifier apply to Ogres?

>>122520646
Then git the fuck gud you useless scrub.

>>122521971
Because good players play elf to filter scum and to challenge themselves.

Granted shitters are still going to go for 2h Bardin/Kruber or repeater pistol Staltz.

>>122526863
hey 2h mace isn't bad if you're gud at stamina management

>>122527158
This is taking nm into account btw.
You will almost certainly trade blows eventually with a 2h which would enver happen with a shield.

I think I've seen one decent 2h hammer Kruber and that's it.

I like it on hard to send rats all over the place.

>>122527520
I think a shield is almost strictly better if you have competent people playing clearing roles I'll grant

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welp

I just started playing BW, and I'm feeling conflicted. I love to spam conflag like crazy, and the difference between swarms from this to other classes is like night and day; even the hairiest fucking swarms with loads of specials goes smooth as butter, but I always have fucking ABYSMAL damage at the end of the run.

Is that just a thing with conflag BW, or have I just had a long string of really great teammates that have been carrying my useless ass

>>122527701
>>122527520
I meant decent player btw. Not 2h wepaon.

Why would anyone ever use 1h Hammer over 1h hammer and shield?

>>122529043
I did for a while, when I got a Blue 1H hammer that was my only Blue at the moment.
The charged attack makes for a fun whack-a-mole type of experience, to be honest.

>>122521676
drakefire shotgun blast does no FF

>>122529631
this

literally superior ranged for dorf assuming you have a non trueflgiht elf and/or handgun kruber to get rid of specials.

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>usually play Hammer+Shield dwarf
>get matched into a game where the dwarf was already picked
>gives me Soldier that I got sword+shield on
>my face when the speed difference between the charge attacks

Christ, might as well not even use the basic attack with the sword. Is the Axe-Shield loadout comparable or is dwarf just shafted for those charge attacks?

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>>122529985
The thing with hammer and shield is that you should be using normal attack instead of charged.

I personally use normal attacks and shield pushes and never resort to shield bashes with it. The hammer alone sends rats flying and doesn't get stuck like an edged weapon.

Axe and shield is funny. You will definitely play it just as a Kruber would and it doesn't axe strike doesn't have the aoe the hammer has.

I haven't gotten a single fucking worth mace and shield so I've no idea about that piece of equipment.


>also
Halberd when. Polearms when.

>join engines nightmare in progress
>elf BW and kruber, i'm WH
>they've all taken at least 1-2 hits and they haven't even dropped into the swamp
>kruber level 9
>turns out they're all together
>we wipe on barrels because they're going too slow and kruber is shit at the game because lvl 9

why the fuck would you try to carry your friend and make/let him play as the soldier and willingly not pick a shield user

>>122530434
Hammer-Shield does actually get stuck if there's enough rats.

>>122530434
>>122529985
In case that comment was too retarded to be understood.

Hammer=normal attack and shield pushes
Axe and sword=charged shield attacks and the ocassional shield push
Mace=don't have it

>>122530520
Haven't happened to me yet. How many rats would that be? I find that I can swing my way through slaves and clan rats alike. Unless you're swinging it at fucking Storms.

As a side note I tend to dodge and dash a lot. If that means anything.

>>122530724
I dunno but it's probably a large number, whenever I swing into a horde I can see it sticking at times.

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>>122531096
I think I know what you mean. Yes, it does "stick" but it doesn't get stuck like a sword. It goes all the way through and hit motherfuckers right?

Damn, I've been playing elf for so long now I forgot what's it like to play a god tier class.

Elf is ok btw, not as bad as they make it look.

>>122531269
Nah it like stops mid-swing. Seen it happen a lot.
Not sure if it's pushing back the rest of the rats when that happens, but really gets in the way.

>>122531269

The stigma associated with elf is that whatever they can do, another class can do better.

Except shoot around corners and be annoying, I guess. Elf has that shit on lock

>>122531482
Elf is number 1 at banter

>>122532183
Let's not get carried away.

>>122532183

>Making fun of dwarf for his people being slaughtered

Hilarious

>>122531482
idk senpai

The dual sword has some nice aoe and killing capabilities with strong attacks

The longbow is really good at fucking specials up. All you need is 1 headshot. You can literally destroy a stormvermin patrol provided you're not a csgo parkinson player.

She is qt

>>122532254
I just realized that "I barely see your weapon move, elf" is actually a compliment. I always thought it meant she ain't doing shit but it turns out it means you're wasting arrows on trash.

>>122532495
I thought it was an insult too but then I came to the conclusion that he's saying she moves too fast.

>>122532781
ok that may be it too

I was sure it meant the bow because I wasn't using the swords at all

>>122533363
I think gameplay wise it just triggers whenever you kill a bunch of rats in just a few seconds, regardless of what you are using.

Kruber gets something like: "You are making me proud Sargent!"

so does the 40% chance to stun also apply to ogres?

I really like the occasional Khazalid lesson during the loading screen and that Bardi speaks his native tongue a lot even thought the others shouldn't get it. He also has dwarven nicknames for his allies which is adorable.

"The Federaki are swarming!"
"Rakorgi!"

>>122535094
It's thaggoraki, you scruff.

>>122535094

thaggoraki and rakogri

>>122535094
thaggoraki and rakogri you fucking illiterate elf


Well, assuming everyone else ever speaks English I think that the rest of the guys are also well versed in Dwarven. Their races are allies and all.

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>>122535094
>Federaki
you fucking blew it mate
it's Thaggoraki

Who are the rats referring to when they say "THE SCREAMING ONE!"
Who is the screaming one?
Is it me?

>>122535542
"THE HORNED RAT!"

>>122535542
GOTCHU NOW ELF BITCH

>>122535542

We ruuuule!
Backstabs... we goooo!

Why are some comments so cute?

>>122535569
kek I love how they pronounce that.

>>122535697
Skaven are goofy fuckers, and that's what makes them so terrifying.

Always sneaking with stabbing.

>>122535657
Dwarfs are tasty!

or something similar

>>122535986

It's "DWARF FLESH TASTE GOOD-GOOD!".

>>122535542
I thought it was BW, but they've said that when there's no BW but an elf in the party.

I KILL MANY DWARF-THINGS

Anyone for Supply Demand, Ramparts, or Engines of War Cata?

>>122535813
It makes me pity them knowing that they're sentient. They aren't just brainwashed retards like Chaos scum.


On a side note, how the fuck do humans even fight the Chaos elites? The ones that look like medieval space marines?

>>122536654
Numbers and luck usually.

But they don't, mostly.

>>122536765
Then how does the Empire and Bretonnia and Kislev and forgot-the-name-Spain stand their ground?

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>>122535094
>Rakorgi

>>122537236
>>122535094
>federaki
>the thaggoraki are swarming!
How? How do you even think of the TH sound as an F.

I honestly giggled when I saw his post.

GET REWARD

>>122537389
I thought he was saying skaggoraki before I turned subs on.

THE CLAN THE CLAAAN!

So the clan attacking is Fester.
The assassin queers are Inri or something like that.
The smelly fellows are Skyre.
And there are 2 mayor factions still but none of them are Fester.

Is Fester like one of the little bitches of the 4 big factions?

>>122538149
Fester is a subclan if Pestilens, if I remember properly.

>>122538149
Moulder is where the Rat Ogre comes from
Skyre is where the ratling guns and gas rats come from
Eshin are the ninjas and where assassin rats come from.
Pestilens is the clan of plauge and disease, fester is a sub clan of Pestilens

I have a Mace, 2 Long swords and 2 Fire swords for witch.
Should I fuse them to get an orange?
None of my current weapons let me regenerate health, and only one allows me to vent overcharge (by 4%)

>>122538149
there are 4 major ones.
Skyre: technology (globadiers aparatus, the ratling gun)
Pestilens: Poison and Disease (they make the poison for the globadiers)
Moulder: Biological monstrosities (they engineered the rat ogre)
Eshin: Assassins and subterfuge (the gutter runners)

>>122539948
regenerating health is crap

you want earthing rune

>>122540062
It's better to get both.

Personally, my favorite set on a weapon for BW is Charged Venting, Bloodlust, and Devastating Blow

>>122540062
>>122541089
Is any of the BW melee options particularly better/worse than the others?
I'm still learning how to play her.

>>122541263
I dislike Mace.
Flaming Sword is pretty good, but I feel it has less reach than the Long Sword, though I don't know for sure if that's true. I personally run with either, depending on the traits that I want at the time since I don't have the personal choice of the three I listed.

>>122541406
In addition, use Charged Attacks in melee while dodging in and out.

>>122541263
general consensus is that sword and flame sword are best because their charged sweeps are important for keeping horde off you while staff is hot

Between those two flame sword can deal a lot higher dps when spamming normal attack and has burn. It's a bit faster too. Long sword can headshot and some people really like that it doesn't have a stab.

Any more details about the Dec. 3 patch? Will it allow me to do something with unwanted trinkets?

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>>122542079

>>122531482
Witch hunter is slightly less useful then everyone else.

But really all are viable its not a big deal, dwarf/soldier is top tier though because of shield on cata.

probably dwarf/soldier>bw/elf>witch hunter

>>122545681
WH is the main Ogre slayer of the group and takes on packs with ease with the Rapier. He is also the only character, along with the elf, to be able to move at full speed while blocking.

>>122545681
>Witch hunter is slightly less useful then everyone else.

What are you talking about? WH easily has the highest DPS/burst damage.

>>122535697

>Elf-things, Dwarf-things, Man-things

I want them to say "Oh, my!" after

>>122545801
>>122545962
Ogre isn't hard to take down, the most important thing is making sure there's not other fucking mobs stabbing your group in the back.

Dwarf and soldier have shields and good 2H for soldier crowd control.

Elf has the safest and best melee killing with sword/dagger.

Really the game revolves around how you deal with mobs and mobs+stormvermin dropping in.

>Vermintide pushes my GPU to 70 degrees

Shit.

Probably gonna need to run it closer to potato mode

>>122547058
stop using the stock fan you mong

>>122547447
I've got an aftermarket fan installed right above it.

It's more a matter of environment.
Fucking desert.

>>122547551
the aftermarket fan doesn't do shit, you need a heatsink and a cooling fan dedicated to the cpu

>playing NM and roll 2 oranges in a row
>both dwarf rifles
>still ignore them because my green rifle is master crafted
20 hours in this game is fun though

>>122547663
GPU, not CPU.

And I do, anyway.

Went with a fat coolermaster, CPU rarely goes above 50

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How is this for a Hagbane Bow?

>>122550391
I'm so sorry.

>>122550256
fuck, my bad, i read cpu

>>122550391
Targeteer is great, but if I saw an elf join my game with a Hagbane I'd have them kicked or disband the party immediately.

Reminder that if you don't cheat for loot in this game you are a colossal moron and should kill yourself.

>>122551118
Even in difficulties with no FF?

>>122551852
Yes.

>>122551907
But why and what bows do you allow

>>122551928
Not the same guy but...

The damage on Hagbane and Shortbow is pitiful and leads to ammo hording for the elf when instead they could use a Longbow to 1 shot enemies on NM and below in the body and 1 hit headshot on Cata leading to much more effective horde clearing and ammo conservation. Hagbane and Swift just chrew through ammo for little to no result.

>>122552098
>Longbow

Does this include Trueflight? I have yet to see a single orange Longbow and I'm starting to doubt their existence.

>>122551928
I allow use of the swift bow, the long bow, and the trueflight bow, although you will be scorned for using the lattermost.

>>122552150
Trueflight will also do the same damage (some say more), but you lose the ability to focus targets or clear through enemies in a line like the longbow can. I personally find the Longbow to be the best because you can actually aim what you're shooting at, the ammo count is larger than the Trueflight, and you can punch through ranks of enemies with it.

>>122552230
>>122552157
What are the names of the Longbows? I swear I have yet to see a bow that was simply "Longbow"

>>122552274
It says Longbow under the weapon name.

>>122552098
You do know the hagbane bow can kill an ogre in about 5 seconds with a strength pot right?

>>122554312
You do know that, with a strength pot, a beam staff is just as fast and a brace is better than both, right?

>>122554452
Yes but I don't rely on other to kill an ogre for me, and most are very unqualified for the job since half the saltzpiers I see on NM are revolver or crossbow.

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why is this shit still not fixed /vtg/?

>>122554906
because your fov is shit

>>122536654
With stormborns of course ;^)

>>122554545
The one thing pubs can usually do alright is tunnel vision and lay into an ogre. The problem for me they can't handle hordes or specials, especially if they show up during said ogre fight.

I still maintain that shield+handgun is the best carry build since you can solo hordes and nail specials early that your team would otherwise take an hour to kill.

Pretty much every loss I've had on NM has come down to me getting blindsided by an assassin or packmaster and watching my team flounder to help.

>tfw you get grabbed by a packmaster and lose 80 percent of your health before being rescued even though you never got whacked by a single rat

I like to listen to the Hotline Miami Soundtrack while killing rats.

I like to touch myself while killing rats.

>>122536860
THROUGH GLORIOUS SUPERIOR DISCIPLINE AND FIREPOWER.

Seriously even the chaos juggernauts take pause against the bear cavalry or a tightly-packed block of halberdiers and riflemen over the boom of cannon

WTB Reduced Grim penalty trinket

Have 4 blue fishes, 3 lucky rocks and a Packmaster Fetish.

Willing to negotiate.

>>122535542

I sometimes hear a rat saying "choo choo", does it refer to rape train?

We ruin them.

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>>122566315

Piss on you I will!

>>122445406 >>122445087 >>122435227

In the intro cinematic, right after they discover the guardsman body, you can see Saltzpyre cutting her hand bonds before anyone even knows it's a trap, which is mighty considerate to do for someone who is (rightfully) accused of killing someone of such political importance. Which is kinda cute.

On the other hand, you can just assume Saltzpyre knew it was a trap from the start, which is pretty badass. Win/win

>>122489057
Beam. Get the third trait for it. It's good shit.

>>122575162

Victor probably assumes that damn near everything is a trap. He's also one of the only ones to have already been in a skaven attack, and being a big shot witch hunter, he probably knows a good deal more about the rats than anyone else in the party and immediately knew what did the damage to the body in the street. It'd make total sense for him to go straight to defcon 1 the second they found the corpse.

>>122546086
Why? Sword and sword has better aoe, no stabby animation(always side to side) and nearly the same time with a minuscule dmg reduciton.

>>122559017
DO YOU LIKE PAIN-HURTING OTHER MAN-THINGS?

>>122446554
>>122445406
but since the mayor's kid is dead children have stopped dissapearing
also there are rumors of bodies being found in shallow graves at the mill that she burned down
aka she went sin city on his ass

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Did.. did I fuck up?

>>122576539

Shouldn't have cheated bro

What is the new hot glitch?

Why is the audio in my intro so fucked up?

Its like they're running a race but the video is lightning tier fast and audio is like a very slow thunder.

Do exotic 2H hammers one-shot clanrats in cataclysm?

>>122584815
just checked
nope, not like it matters though , charged attack is still a 2hk and because it's a downward swing a headshot is quite likely

ded
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thread

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>want to finish up cata
>no one to play with

the worst hell

>>122591364
>Play with channers
>Can't even complete an easy HoMo run

I'll be on hosting NM after 630 est. I'm a BW and I play it right, look for EightyDollars

>>122591813
>play with channers
>they pull every single patrol while yelling "For the horde XDD" or "Leeeeerooooyyy Jenkiiiiin X333 XD"
>They pick up grimoires and then ask "OMG where did the hp go???!" and "why didn't I get the hp back???" after they ditch the grimoire in panic

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>>122593071

>>122594660
>The barkeep is actually time traveling ES.
>That's why he knows what needs to be done
>That's why he can keep the place so safe and hidden

>>122591364
>people join my cata enemy below game
>we wipe
>people want to go back to the inn and do something else

Why can't they just make their own lobby?

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Is this as good as it looks?

Would an orange version grant around 80% more radious?

>>122598445

Bad trinket. It's hard enough to avoid fucking killing your teammates with bombs in NM/Cata, particularly when most of the best times to use bombs are when shit is already hitting the fan. If you intend to play exclusively on hard or lower, though, I guess it's okay

>>122600943
Gotta agree with this anon, it would make firebombs even more shit on NM. You really only use bombs for ogres and very specific events like the elevator dash on horn and tunnels anyway. Using them on a random horde usually means something is going very wrong and you probably won't need the extra splash to kill that giant cluster.

>cata enemy below run ruined because some dumbass decided to start the event while a horde was going on and the stormvermin weren't all killed

I'm never getting this done

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>>122535094
TFW people correct you on your dwarven

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>>122608485
>tfw you're a wazzock

>>122605531
>enemy below
>cata
>2015
just uninstal and go back to wow

this isn't for you

>>122610136
Not him but enemy below is fun though

>>122489057
holy shit I want that staff

THE WORLD IS ENDING

>>122611834
BLOODY CATASTROPHE

>>122612164
DEAL WI'D IT

>running nightmare with 2 friends
>get a pub witch hunter
>grabs grim, gets downed
>quits
>bot gets killed at first event
>carry on anyway, end with 3t1g
>welp, no loot for me
>roll 7 out of fucking nowhere
>hat!
>it's for elf

JUST

so is nobody doing Hard anymore? I don't have any decent orange gear for BW and want to get some before moving up

>>122610617
I'm saying he is wasting his time if he can't clear it in cata.

3t1g is easy peasy.