Development wise, do we know what the hell happened from discs 2 - 4?

I got an idea. What if your characters could, like, equip spells?"

"Huh. You mean like buying spell books in Final Fantasy III?"

"Nah. I'm saying they'd literally equip spells."

"I'm not following."

"Okay, okay, listen. Say that like, instead of having armor and accessories, your guys just used magic. For example: you know how in the past, you had your dudes putting on, for example, Mythril Armor? What if we had them, equipping - I dunno - Quake instead? They'd be wearing spells instead of armor. What do you think?"

"That doesn't make an ounce of sense, but for some reason it seems like the best idea I've ever heard in my life."

"Thanks. I am so fucking high right now."

>hm, the story isn't garbage enough. We need to throw in shitty amnesia and romance plots
>dude perfect!

Why do people love FF8? The card game?

>>386745112
Don't forget the weird time loop fuckery at the end.

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>>386743925
It was the funniest game I ever played. Could not stop laughing. What the fuck.

Also: the junction system was so overpowered it was awesome, holy shit.

I don't know but I liked it.

Whatever.

FF8 is one of the best games ever made

"It's like a sword...but it's also a gun," Nomura explains to Uematsu. "A blade that uses bullets! This is the best idea I've ever had. Don't you think?" Uematsu nods, only pretending to listen.

>>386745250
I can see liking the gameplay system because it's pretty fun and unique, but there are actually people who unironically like the story and characters and think Squall was an awesome badass. The game has great gameplay and soundtrack but everything else is steaming shit.

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>KINO
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>>386743925

Alas, Squall died at the end of Disc 1. The rest is a mix of dreams and denial about taking his dying breath when he wanted to do so much more in life. Sad.

"So I got it figured out guys," Nojima says, having collected himself. "There's a girl who sends people into the past and there's these two - fuck it - three witches out to get her. And there's also this high-tech country that builds a machine to make monsters fall from the Moon, And the main character is this guy from a flying school who has to battle his hated rival while playing card games - and stopping the three witches and all the moon monsters and rescuing the time girl, who's also his sister. But I think what we got here - at its heart - is a love story. The greatest love story ever told."

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>>386745438
"Guys, I LOVE being a seed! Did Seifer beat us to killing the president of Galbadia?"

>screams this out loud in a live news room

I still don't get what triggers /v/ so hard about this game. It's the best, biggest, most detailed and complete game in the franchise.

>>386743925
So we got the Disc 1 down, but we haven't wrote anything for the other disc, what do we do.
>MOOMBAS!
>SEIFER IS A BAD GUY NOW BECAUSE WE NEED A RIVAL FOR SQUALL!
>THE SCHOOL TRUE RULER IS A GIANT YELLOW WHATEVER NAMED NORG!
>MONSTERS IN THIS CAME FROM THE MOON!
>HERE'S A SHIP OUT OF NOWHERE TO SAVE OUR TWO HEROES!
>TIME COMPRESSIONNNNNNN!

I could go on but I won't.

>>386746207
They see themselves in Squall and it makes them angry.

>>386745910
This. Squall is dead is one of the most plausible theories in recent video game history.

>http://squallsdead.com/

>>386746235
>>386745910

It all is explained in that post. It really IS that simple, anon.

>>386746238
whatever

>>386746145
The original Ryuji.

Why is this so comfy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMYisFOaz1s

How was FF8 treated after FF7's overwhelming success?

>>386746280
Normally I don't agree with the "THIS CHARACTER IS DEAD ALL ALONG, BUT HEY IT JUST A THEORY, A GAME THEORY!" kind of stuff, but seeing how off the rails and badshit bonkers the story gets after the failed assassination of Sorceress's Eden, it's hard not to think it.

>>386746471
>tfw knew what it was before I saw the video name

>>386746235
Battle of the GARDENs was pretty cool tho

Sqoll ain't ded cos he in kingdom hearts ;)

Who thought lvl-scaling was a good idea? You are punished for lvling up.

Rest of the game was good thou.

I like Squall because he's a little unhinged and an asshole. Despite that he's very capable, and not genuinely a bad guy. He's an interesting character, and realistic in a way.

>>386746561
Oh totally.

>>386746509
And the final cutscene makes it pretty clear to be honest. I have a feeling it was meant to include Squall waking up in hospital or dying but the cut it out cause they realized how mad the fans would get.

>>386746670
It wasn't enough because junctioning makes you so ridiculously powerful.

>>386746690
>realistic in a way.

wasn't he based off of a japanese rock star?

>>386745438
Until I played this game I didn't think it was possible for another character to out-emo Cloud.

>>386746814
He was based on River Phoenix, actually.

>>386746825
Cloud isn't emo though. Just insanely fucked up in the head.

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>>386746670
It would be a decent idea (since it emphasizes junctions over just grinding for levels) if they made it clear that enemy levels scaled, and that enemy stats scaled way better than yours.

>mfw a kid at school told me he found the game super hard after grinding Squall to Lv100 before the fucking Fire Cavern

>>386746825
LE CLOUD IS EMO MEY MEY

The best part about Squall is Laguna

>>386746783
You can tell that if they went with "It's all just a dream and that he's in a coma trying to wake up/dying and passing onto the afterlife" ending. The fans would cry cop-out and put it on Watchmojo's Top Ten Worst Video Game Plot Twist Endings.

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>>386746825
But Cloud wasn't really emo at all until all the supplementary material came out and shoved Aeris guilt straight up his asshole.

...And I'm not sure you can call Squall emo. He just hates the fucking retards he's babysitting. And is also severely autistic.

>>386746825
Cloud is only EMO in Adevnt Children and onwards. He was pretty goofy in FFVII.

>>386746983
Shut up retard

>>386747096
>>386746983
Why did they change him

>>386747058
Is Squall, dare I say, /ourguy/?

>>386746965
Same happened to me, actually...

>>386746825
>>386747058
Yeah, Squall's main problem is that he's the exact opposite of emo - he bottles up all of his emotions and never deals with them, leading to occasional outbursts like >>386745438, or what happened after Rinoa took a long nap.

>>386747175
To appeal to retards when being emo was kewl in the mid-2000s

>>386747058
You know how you want to trust people but don't want to be hurt. That,s Squall.

>>386747058
The moral of the story is...

Never let pander to your fanbase or get Tetsuya Nomura to direct the Complications of Final Fantasy VII, or else we end up with characters like, ugh, Genesis.

>>386745002
Hahah! Yeah! This idea is so out there that the developers HAD to be HIGH to come up with it!

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>>386747223
God fucking damn it.

>>386747247
Who are the best and worst FF directors?

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>>386747331
I know right?

Look on the bright side, at least the VIII didn't get expanded on like VII or else we would have gotten characters like Genesis self-inserting themselves into the narrative like a stomach ulcer.

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>>386745861
I like the story and I think Squall is a mopey doofus. The only character I really hate is Selphie.

Squall is the most relatable FF protagonist ever, but the other party members are some real fucking morons. I'm not sure if you're supposed to actually hate them or not, but they're insufferable.
Except maybe Quistis, but even she is a goddamn idiot sometimes.

>>386745861
>>386747487
I like the story because it's the most amusing farce I'd ever experienced.

>miss catching Rinoa in space

I almost fucking died.

>>386747582
She was a fucking retard during the assassination
>Let me leave my post and go say sorry!
Bitch that can wait

>>386747330
Don't be a nigger anon

If you played the games in order on release you would know that FF8 was such a sweeping change in direction from the rest of the games. It went too Japanese.
Whereas previous games could be enjoyed by non japs because it was high fantasy or steampunk fantasy but 8 plays like a jdrama.

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>>386747654
>you can miss

I died just reading that.

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>>386747679
That entire segment was a god damn monty python sketch. Unbelievable entertainment value.

>>386747790
I just want a good Fantasy/Military/School setting in my jrpg.

>>386747582
>>386747679
>Irvine gets cold feet
>Zell blabs your entire plan on live TV
>Quistis abandons her post
>Selphie is a genuine retard that sings about riding trains
>Rinoa locks the rest of the party in her house to go alone

Worst party in FF. Not a single redeemable one.

>>386747790
>8 plays like a jdrama.

explain

>>386746509
>>386746783
>>386747054

The fact that 8 has no expanded material furthers this.

>>386748112
>>386747956
Irvine getting cold feet is the only thing I can buy

>>386748112
gameplay wise, Zell is fucking broken.

>>386747956
If Final Fantasy VIII was played as a comedic parody or satire of JRPGs at the time it would have been the quintessential comedy JRPG. Sort of a like a much less crude version of The Stick of Truth.

>>386747956
>Squall's reaction
It's honestly hilarious. Some poor guy who'd rather be alone is forced to work with these absolute retards on an important mission, yet they keep fucking up and he has to take responsibility.

>>386747956
>>386748201
Irvine couldn't shoot because deep down he knew his relationship to Edea.

>>386748112
When you keep in mind that all of the characters are literally teenagers brainwashed by adults who started a war they were trained from childhood to complete, the story gains a lot more value.

>>386748254
No wonder he's so grumpy, he's the only sane person in this crazy world filled with retards, morons, and of course, Moombas.

or is he?

>>386748267
Irvine was the only one who still had memories of his childhood or some shit

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>>386748201
>I can't kill her
>Why?
>...
>Hours and hours later
>By the way, the sorceress was my kindergarten teacher
>Why did you not tell us this earlier?
>Picture related

>>386747431
Guard Dog achievement unlocked

>>386748112
Anon, Rinoa's dad was trying to lock Rinoa inside the house. Rinoa ran out before the door locked, then the three stooges ran inside the same room literally five seconds later (somehow without encountering Rinoa on the way) and got locked in.

Like >>386747956 said, it's a fucking comedy sketch. End of Disc 2 is even better.
>Squall, Rinoa fell off the side of the Garden!
>...Did you grab a rope and try to reel her up?
>...No, I ran here as quickly as I could to get you.
>Zell, I'm the fucking commander, I can't go off and rescue one person right now.
And then the entire team literally peer pressures Squall into abandoning his position to rescue Rinoa, even though any of them could've done it themselves were they not retarded.

>>386748350
So why didn't he say anything? Was it really just brainwashing that nobody said anything? That shit just came out of left field like in the last disc, didn't it?

>>386748350
Yet he did not once think that it would be a good idea to tell anyone about this.

>>386745861
>The game has great gameplay and soundtrack

that sounds fucking awesome

>>386748404
>>386748431
>>386748365

>>386748404
Nevermind >>386748365

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>You will never play through FFVIII with a friend, drinking beer and riffing on the ridiculous story

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Why didn't everybody ride around on a hoverboard? I know it was confiscated, but still.

>>386748710
Don't sweat it. Someone else did it for you. The internet is a great place.

https://web.archive.org/web/20111005212312/http://lparchive.org/Final-Fantasy-VIII/

>>386746145
Just realized Ryuji is very similar to Zell, both appearance and their stupidity.

>>386748764
Zell is literally 2 cool 4 school.

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>>386745790
That meme is pretty funny until you find out a guy with a gunblade was the only guy to ever defeat napoleon

>>386748404
>>386748431
I dunno, cuz he's a wimpy teenager? Cuz he didn't want to sound like a crazy person? We don't get to hear his inner monologue like we do with Squall.

>>386748804
>Screenshot LP
>2006
Goddamn, this takes me back. A lost artform.

>>386747058
Goddammit Robert

They blew their load with disc 1.

Laguna's story should've been the main game

I wanna FUCK Quistis.

>>386747223
What a pussy lmao

>>386748931
>Cuz he didn't want to sound like a crazy person?
Not like Zell and Selphie already are or anything.

>>386753930
but they're actually crazy. Irvine held himself up as a composed flirty gentleman who can do the job, then completely shat the bed.

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>>386748267
I mean, the concept is pretty interesting, but I don't think the tone of the game ever tries to go anywhere close to acknowledging that. Some of the more serious characters give it their damndest to make the "sad reality of child soldiers" thing relevant, but hanging out with Squall and "friends" doesn't reinforce that at all. They just do the silliest shit all game.

>>386754810
I think FF8's tone is handled well for the most part. They're still kids, so it makes sense they'd flip off some soldiers or try to start a rock band or whatever. And the adults in the game, like Cid, Edea, and Laguna especially, drive the war stuff home. Hell, aren't the kids escaping a gulag or something in that screenshot?

The joke is to compare FF8 to Twilight, but it's much closer to Harry Potter in spirit imho. Both even came out around the same time and deal with the same themes and issues. Shit, both protags have scars and were raised "like pigs to the slaughter."

>>386755471
I think it's after they escaped the cuhrazy drill prison and you can wander close to the missile base.

Maybe if Squall and his crew faced more consequences for being as shit as they are and the game darkened a bit more as it progressed instead of going fucking nuts in the last half. It was a missed opportunity, in my opinion.

I can appreciate it, though. Especially in how I interpret it. The fact that the game can be broken over your knee by something as goofy as beating children black-and-blue in a fucking trading card game...It all just serves to make the game more funny.

FF8 should've been about Laguna and his buddies travelling around the war-torn world as war correspondents.
No awful sorceress, just technomagic, a lot of interactions between him and his friends and a long, heartfelt love story with Raine spanning across the entire game and possibly leading to tragic conclusion.

>>386746825
>cloud is emo
Ah yes my favorite post. Cloud was actually the opposite of emo, he was too goofy and immature. If cloud was emo and 2 serious 4 u he wouldn't have said let's mosey when they were about to go fight a god.

>>386757115
that's...exactly what the backstory is

>>386758309
Now imagine this expanded for the entire game with a lot more of fun events and story twists.

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>>386747487
>hating the best girl of the franchise

For all these people saying they like the story because it's just so funny, doesn't that mean the game failed in its storytelling? Because the game wasn't supposed to be a comedy, it was supposed to be serious but just came off as cringy. Like losing Rinoa in space was supposed to be sad but I kept doing it because it was funny and Rinoa is annoying. Is FFVIII the best "so bad it's good"?

>>386758534
Best girl is Seifer, search your heart, you know it to be true.

>>386746783
>And the final cutscene makes it pretty clear to be honest.
You're delusional.

>>386758943
You're not wrong. Maybe it's like some sort of cultural thing like with other games in it's generation.

>>386745534
same. this was a fun game.

>>386747247
>the Complications of Final Fantasy VII
Sounds about right.

>>386743925
The romance part of the story could actually be good if it was implemented better.

>Rinoa shuts the fuck up because time magic lmao
>suddenly Squall is head over heels for her
That's pretty much the entire romance between the two.

>>386758943
or maybe /v/ is as emotionally immature as FF8's heroes

Where I could watch a resumed playthrough of FF8 without losing anything of the plot except for the shitty gameplay? Seriously I can't stand the gameplay

>>386761217
Youtube.

>>386758943
>Is FFVIII the best "so bad it's good"?
No way. There are far more actual funny bad games. You need to remember that at least 75% of FFVIII is extremely dull.

>>386761403
I don't use google products

>>386761217
See >>386748804 if you don't want to watch someone muddle through the game. Watching the entirety of FF8 must be the worst torture I can imagine especially if you don't particularly like it.

>>386745250
Triple Triad, best summons, good dungeons and optional content, arguably the best OST in the series, some of the best hidden/secret content, best towns, fucking gardens and some of the best action sequences in the series that still hold up today.
If you like the characrters or story is up to you i guess. I don't get the blind hate for 8 and don't even try to bring up junctioning.

>>386761217
Just don't watch anything and give up on the Final Fantasy series in general

>>386761816
The final dungeon is absolutely fantastic bar none. Puzzles, hidden bosses everywhere, and really interesting looking.

>>386761739
That will do, thanks.

>>386745903
Ah yeah Tomb of the forgotten King, or something. I loved it when there were no walkthroughs.
I never finished FF8 because I never had the heart, but I played 8-7 times to near the end.

>>386761816
Models running on top of an FMV might be jank and goofy as fuck, but I thought this was the coolest god damn thing when I first saw it.
https://youtu.be/jtfNu5wkGk8?t=27m54s

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>>386761739
>>386762002
I think I'm going to follow this anon's advice
>>386761923

>>386745903
Wasn't this the dungeon that had fucked up directions? As in they were changing room per room or something? I vaguely remember some weird crossroad section underground that had some Lost Woods bullshit going on.

>>386761816
>I don't get the blind hate for 8

a lot of it comes from shitty pre-Youtube internet personalities who were struggling for relevance then, and completely irrelevant now.

8 is definitely in the top echelon in the series (and this sounds like damning with faint praise, but considering how far the franchise has fallen 8 only looks better and better as time passes)

>>386745250
it's probably due to the collect them all aspect to it, kinda like Pokemon.

Not to mention that the rewards for refining high level cards are incredible. They give the most powerful and rarest items in the game.

>>386745438
I enjoyed it but I was 10, I saw it as Squall having emotional problems.
It was a weird game in dialogue but the modernistic aesthetic is lovely.

>>386747741
dont be racist anon

>>386745250
>>386745861

Triple Triad is the best mini game in Final Fantasy, period.

But for me, yeah, the gameplay is fantastic. I don't mind the junction system and in a way it helps me with the cognitive dissonance of eqipping armor but your character model not changing.

I like the story but fully acknowledge its flaws and that none of the characters can really be taken seriously. I also ADORE the setting -- I never loved the sort of dieselpunk, run down aesthetic of most areas in FFVII and I loved FFVIII's real embrace of what a world filled with magic and technology would look like.

I love Laguna and Squall and Zell and Irvine and Quistis and...I dunno, I just loved the game. It's probably my second favorite behind FFX.

>>386762563
I think most of the FFVIII hate actually comes from VII fans, or fans of VI and older. People who loved VII tend to hate VIII for some reason.
But, during the pre-2010 era, Spoony definitely influenced a ton of people who probably never had played the game before watching his videos.

>>386746353

Underrated.

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>>386746235

Moombas are friggin' adorable.

>>386745250
If you consider the card game as a part of the combat mechanics because of how powerful you can make yourself with it, then yeah, Triple Triad is a huge factor.

>Have 300+ Tornados, Quakes, Thundagas, Curagas, etc before going to your first mission

My fucking sides.

>>386746471

Holy shit, for some reason this hit me in the feels really goddamn hard. VIII was a really big childhood experience for me I guess.

>>386745002
haha did they do weed!? did they drink a beer!? what the hell were they on lol!?

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>>386762870
>rule: random has spread through the region

>>386747058
that lets play is great, first one I ever read

>>386746670

It would be fine if you couldn't miss out on things for levelling up too much and if there wasn't Lvl 5 Death. Having a mob that can one shot your characters because the level cap is 100 instead of 99 is stupid.

>>386748248
I feel it. This could have been cool.

>>386762890
>People who loved VII tend to hate VIII for some reason.

probably cuz 8 ran in the total opposite direction of 7. Square was experimental as fuck back then, and often for the better. they were rarely ever complacent.

now it takes them forever to do anything, and when they do it often disappoints.

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>>386743925
>Rinoa = Ultimecia would have been one of the greatest JRPG plot twists of all time
>nothing in the actual game conflicts with the theory, only supplementary materials

>the developers explicitly denied it cause they prefer the clusterfuck that is the actual story
stupid fucks

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how can anybody still hate on FF8 when 10-2, 13-1-2-3 and 15 exist? Or is that people don't consider these to be even part of the franchise because of how bad they are?

You say that the story of FF8 is bad but have you played FF13-2 and 3?

>>386763942
good, your fanfiction shouldn't be canon

>>386748891

Yeah but the gunblades in VIII don't work that way. They basically fire a percussive cap to "vibrate" the blade. It's dumb and doesn't make any sense but fuck if I don't love pulling the trigger and feeling that rumble during Renzokuken.

>>386763380

Sucked on a first playthrough but once you understand how rules spread and how to get rid of them, it's not so bad.

>>386764087
there is nothing redeemable about the actual story, time compression makes zero sense

rinoa = ultimecia concisely explains ultimecia's motives and many other nonsensical elements of the plot

>>386762890
>7 to 12 barely have anything in common
Even 9 being the 'traditional' installment was crazy different to 1-6. Good times when Square was ballsy and ambitious. They finally dropped the ball after the merger tho

>>386764047
>How can you hate shit if there's worse shit
The other games being bad doesn't make VIII any better

>>386764282
>>386763942
I thought this was the plot, not a theory?

>>386764282
don't care, you're not in charge of the game

>>386763183

Not to mention stocking up on Aura as early as possible. If I remember correctly you could Mug Wendigos for Steel Pipes and refine those into Aura Stones.

I basically spent the whole game doing limit breaks.

>>386764242
Is it possible to wipe some rules completely out of the game? As soon as I noticed a player with random rules, I would just soft reset and never play cards in that region again.

>>386764434
Why would you ever think that?

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https://youtu.be/pSt-fNv5d68
>You will never ever be a student at Balamb
This fucking music kills me. It's got that perfect bittersweet tone.
I just want to be a SEED and hang out with my friends and stuff. Not live this shitty life I'm currently struggling though.

>>386743925
They fucking took money from Xenogears for this piece of shit. I will never, ever forgive it. Instead of having a completed Xenogears we got this trash.

>>386764331

Man, that era was the best for all of the major developers. Capcom, Konami, Square, they all experimented and came out with weird and crazy shit. The Bouncer and Chaos Legion and Musashi and MGS3 and fucking...we'll just never have anything like that again. Major publishers taking risks on unusual releases because they can.

>>386764534
I'm pretty sure there's only two ways to play this game, and neither of them are what I imagine the maker's intended. Play it like a normal person and get your fucking face slammed for forty hours straight or be a humongous faggot and kill the final boss so hard she can't finish her dialog and transformations before running out of HP.

>>386764693
It seems obvious and makes sense.

>>386764740
>MGS3
>Weird and crazy
It was the most plain Metal Gear game since the first two. MGS2 was interesting though.

>>386764693
there's a reason people think it

it's like the indoctrination theory of mass effect 3

it makes more sense than the actual fucking game's plot

>>386764740
The huge leaps in tech and what things could be possible really seemed to make everyone try their hardest. That's the only thing I can imagine.

Disc 1 squall is my favorite videogame character.

>>386764724
gears as destined to fail anon

I like it too but the design errors can be seen by 15 year olds

they really didn't need to put in half the cast

blade chronicles 2 could have done gears, but better, but the guy is just kind of autistic. he refuses to make a good game

>>386764945
? It intoduced survival elements and camoflague to the series. Gameplay wise it was a huge step away from 1 and 2.

>>386764724
Do you even have a single fact to back that up

>>386764972
it's poetic too

they must have scrapped it during the finishing up of the game

>>386745002
kek

>>386764945

It was a huge departure from MGS1 and 2 with the mostly outdoor, forest setting and going back and setting it in the 60's. Considering up to that point the games had largely been focused on near-future tech, it was a pretty big leap.

>>386765029

I think it was also just less risky to do back then. Games weren't quite as expensive to produce and expectations weren't as high since they weren't "mainstream" yet. I know that sounds hipster-y but what I'm saying is that they're like Hollywood productions now in that they can't move too far out of the norm since they're expected to perform at a ridiculously high level at a minimum.

>>386764047
Just because there are worse doesn't mean it isn't still bad, anon.

>>386765159
It is well known that the team that was producing Xenigears was shifted to VIII paetway through developement

>>386764724
not only is there no proof of FF8 affecting Xenogears, Takahashi said recently that Xenogears simply ran out of time and budget.

>“Honestly speaking, what had happened is Xenogears as a project was staffed pretty much entirely out of new staff members, young staff members,” said Takahashi, speaking through a translator. “Back then, we had the direction of, ‘All projects take two years and that’s when we need to get it done.’ So on top of developing the game, we had to nurture and teach and grow these younger employees. Things like 3D were extremely new, which led to some delays in the schedule. It just wasn’t possible to get everything done.”

>As it became clear that Takahashi and team weren’t going to hit their deadlines, Square’s higher-ups suggested that they just end the game after the first disc, when Fei and his team escape from Solaris.

>“It was a rough way to end it, and I felt like if we do that, then the players will not be satisfied,” Takahashi told me. “So we had a proposal—I proposed that if we do disc 2 in this way that it turned out to be, we can finish the game with the current number of staff and the current time allotted for the schedule and the remaining budget we have.”

>>386764635
You should always get the all rule as it is the best rule. Not always can you get it but you really only need it in the beginning so you can get mega OP.

>>386764331
Ballsy? No. FF7-9 follow FF6s formula of set characters,ATB, and a system that grants abilities to everyone. But now everyones equipment pool is static and limits which are only cool to see the first couple of times. I can't replay the PS 1 era games because of this copypaste formula.

>>386764693
I don't know, maybe because it's in the game? How could you miss that? I thouigh that was obvious and I was only like 15 when I played it.

>>386765325
Do you have even a single fact to back that up
>>386765361

>>386747654
I replayed the game recently and completely forgot about that part. When it came time, the game wasn't quite clear which direction she was supposed to come from, and I looped around and missed her completely.

>>386764331
FF6 and 7 are practically the same game.

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I'll just say this: every single mainline Final Fantasy game (and some spin-offs like the Tactics games) has a bittersweet ending: the objective of the game is met, but there's usually a sacrifice or there have been great losses during the journey (for example multiple characters dying or the heroes having to rebuild the world from its ashes).
FFVIII is the only mainline chapter at least so far who doesn't have that and instead has a complete happy ending. I mean, the worst aspect is that due to wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey shenanigans Ultimecia will still rise up in the far future and dominate for a while, but that's it.
In the present the witches are no more, everyone is alive, Laguna reconciles with Ellione, Cid reconciles with Edea, Squall smiles and gets to lemon with his girlfriend, Zell gets to choke on hot dogs, Irvine and Selphie are implied to get together, even fucking Seifer and his gang get redemption or at least some sort of forgiveness. Are you fucking kidding me?
The only real true tragic event that happens in the late game is the death of Odin if you got in his sidequest, i'm not even joking.
Even FFX and FFXIII knew how to respect the rule of having a balanced ending: this goes to show how badly written FFVIII was.

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Squall is actually my favorite character because its like he is self aware and he knows he's stuck in a game with shit splot and a cast of the most unlikeable anime stereotypes ever

>>386765361
That's the worst decision ever. Honestly I would have felt a lot less bad if they actually stopped at Disc1 if they simply didn't have the resources to maintain the same quality. The difference between Disc1 and 2 is day and night and it left a really bad stain in my mouth ever since.

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>>386765378
Card Queen is mai waifu. She makes Balamb a hunting ground.

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>"Just by talking to him, I felt like I could take on the world."

>"I don't care if I have to force you back."

>"I don't want the future. I want the present to stand still. I just want to stay here with you..."

>"What will I end up doing? Will I end up fighting everyone?...Scary thought, isn't it?"

>"SeeD will come kill me, right? And the leader of SeeD is you, Squall...Squall's sword will pierce my heart...I guess it's ok if it's you, Squall. Nobody else. Squall, if that ever happens..."

>>386765432
O rly? Please educate me.

>>386765325
no. they gave him the rookies and development paralleled 7, and initially started as a sequel to 7 or trigger (planning to determine later as finances took shape)

gears failed because takahashi is autistic and ble his load on his only good idea

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>muh mercenaries
It's just a setting, jesus christ. The game is about Squall's self-improvement and trying to fix past mistakes. There is no jarring transition between disc 1 and 2 because the story that you think was cut short doesn't exist.

>>386765786
The sword is his penis.

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The only part I had a hard time with in this was that space part where you have to grab rinoa.

>>386765886
anyone able to chip in?
>>386765736

>>386765981
God fucking damn it, I will never stop laughing. One of the best video game experiences of my life.

>>386765545
the game had been designed to make girls part of the audience. hence the 90's fashion catalogue friends/dason's creek look

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>>386765981
>Squall and Rinoa are drifting out in space together
>they run out of oxygen
>"..Whatever, I'm still alive!"
>they somehow drift into an abandoned but still working spaceship with it's own air supply

>>386765736
FF8 is good is you are extremely patient and love a good laugh at the expense of a Japanese scenario writer.

>>386766191
yeah nothing unexpected or ridiculous ever happens in JRPGs

why is suspension of disbelief not allowed for FF8?

>>386764047
Lightning Returns set up a good and simple story though. And the atmosphere of the game was good too. Think about it, the world is literally ending in 13 days and the people continue with the monotony of their lives. There's something to be said there

>>386766253
I meant only the SNES games, I have all the 3D ones but never played any 2D FF.

>>386765545
Raine is dead, there was like, a full minute of the ending dedicated to it. Julia is also dead but that's just a small thing.

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>>386765981

>>386765421
Nope. 9 was closer to 4 with predetermined class for each character.

The Sorceresses were nonsensical as fuck. The story couldn't decide if they were oppressive overlords, or benign monarchs with the occasional bad seed. The whole "Every Sorceress needs a knight" aspect was hammy as fuck and really only served to play into what >>386766168 said.

Is squalls limit break stronger than clouds?

>>386746145
You missed the part where he mentioned they were from Balamb Garden.

>>386764047
Final Fantasy XIII is a decent game and FF15 is mostly good with questionable decision making.

FF8 is something that was clearly playtested with an incoherent story where it didn't know what it wanted to be. That's why.

>>386765545
While XIII and XIII-2 did have a tragedy after the ending, Lightning Returns corrected it. It would've ended with some sort of tragedy because before Vanille suddenly had powers to speak to the dead, Lightning had to accept the fact that she can't save everyone, only as much as she could within 13 days but instead Vanille uses her powers to guide all the souls lost in the chaos since the hundreds years of entropy began in a new peaceful world

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>>386766168
yet FF8 is arguably the peak of Nomura's design work

>>386766573
Nah dude. FF8 is different, but it is still fun. It's great that it is so fucking weird, its presence is absolutely a gem among the rest of the games EVEN if it isn't really that great. FFXV is much worse, imo.

>>386746235
>>MOOMBAS!
Would you have preferred moogles?
>>SEIFER IS A BAD GUY NOW BECAUSE WE NEED A RIVAL FOR SQUALL!
Seifer was ALWAYS a bad guy.
>>THE SCHOOL TRUE RULER IS A GIANT YELLOW WHATEVER NAMED NORG!
No, he just funded it.
>>MONSTERS IN THIS CAME FROM THE MOON!
They did this in FF4 too.
>>HERE'S A SHIP OUT OF NOWHERE TO SAVE OUR TWO HEROES!
FF4 did it.
>>TIME COMPRESSIONNNNNNN!
DESU, Disc 4 is great. The entire sequence is fun. I especially like having to fight to get back your abilities. I wish they didn't let you pick them right away though.

Being forced to be creative would have been nice.

>>386766573
>everything I said is wrong: the post

>>386766510
I think the knight thing was to do with the culture. Which is why the plot of the movie that Laguna was in had the knight thing even though there was no sorceress with knights at the time.

Nothing can get me more hyped up than this can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyBensMp_MA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyBensMp_MA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyBensMp_MA

>>386763559
There is literally NOTHING you can miss out on due to level scaling because. Tonberry Exists

Also, st def j + death, faggot.

>>386766814
>I'll be 'waiting' here
In all honesty, what the fuck was this supposed to mean?

>>386766653
squall and edea are the only decent designs. unless you think robin illiams and ulti are good.

actually, maybe the game is redpilled

after 10 years the girl you mary goes insane...

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>>386766814
I'll never forget the first time I saw that opening.

>>386765545
I think the reason why Rinoa = Ultimecia theory crap is so popular is because players are too cynical and reject idealism. They don't want or can't accept a happy ending. It's a case of going backwards with creating the conclusion (R = U) first and then having tunnelvision trying to force the game's narrative to fit that. Instead of asking "what does this mean", the theorist asks "can I use this to support my goal" and ignoring what the game's narrative is saying.

>>386766652
I don't consider XIII-2 and LR mainline titles. Besides, the ending of LR is literally about defeating God with the power of love and friendship.
It's cringy and insulting on so many levels that i feel ashamed just talking about it. That's something a 5-year old Bollywood musical writer would write.


In contrast, the ending of the first XIII game fits the bill: people are saved and Cocoon has not fell, but there has been a sacrifice. Compared to the nonsense of the rest of the plot, it's surprisingly straightforward: i was seriously expecting Motomu Toriyama pulling a "nope, everyone's alive an happy ever after".
Wich, wouldn't you know, happened in LR.

>>386765689
I spent like 8 hours mving her around and manipulating card rules so I could make the card game not shit.

>>386765513
are they really the same just because they share a similar plot structure and nothing else?

>>386765421
the fuck you're even talking about? Have you actually played the games?

>>386766371
Four is my favorite one there, that version in particular if it's really the DS one. I couldn't really get into FF6. I don't know why; I gave it a ton of chances, but definitely give that a try. If anything, it has a pretty ambitious narrative.

>>386745250
--best world map among the classic FFs
--some of the best summons designs
--one of the best FF soundtracks
--very little monster recycling
--the card game
--fuck you I like junctioning and don't see it as hard to understand.

>>386766990

All fan theories are shit. The end.

>>386766935
In the flowers, by Edea's house. Y'know the thing she literally says to Squall right before they meet Laguna?

>>386760037
there's a lot of easily missable scenes between them that develops their relationship more, but if you do miss them all it really just seems like Squall outright hates Rinoa until "lolcoma"

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>>386767149
>FFVIII
>Classic FF

>>386766990
no. it's because if r isn't u, the game has no unifying thread or theme

sure, a plot can be a disconnected set of dots. but it's not GOOD
.>Quall! you have to kill evil person to learn to love! even if it hurts sometimes!
>no hurt
>1 choice>kill bitch
is not as good as
>Quall! open your heart, even if it hurts sometimes!
>Quall! I am the evil bitch!
>oh no, conflict!

Has anyone ever tried to see if they mapped out any bit of the ocean under water?

I have PC version and am interested in trying to do some glitches and shit, but ahven't really gotten into it.

>>386767240
it's almost 20 years old, dude

>>386767027
More like defeating a God with the power of every human soul in existence

>>386766191
>He didn't see the Ragnarok cutscene when he talked to Laguna

Shiggy diggy my friend.

>>386767240
I-IX are classic because even the worst one is better than the best one since then

>>386767297
Doesn't matter. PS FF games are not classic FF.

>>386762831
Don't be a nigger anon

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>>386767425
>according to me, random anon

oh ok

>>386767237
The game certainly does assume you'll keep Rinoa in your party the entire time and respond accordingly. Hell, Squall and Rinoa are the only characters you can rename, if I recall correctly. The game was built around self-inserting.

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>>386766653
Edea has an incredible design. I like the whole artistic interpretation of a sun rising or setting on her back.

It's a shame Squeenix keeps over-looking her on their PlayArts and other new figures they keep churning out. They can churn out 1000 different Cloud and Sephiroth figures and shit but not one Edea since the Bandai 1999 one which is a bitch to find now.

>>386767353
Before killing Bunihvelze, Lightning gives him a final speech that almost quotes the cliché word for word. It's so jarring hearing Ali Hills reducing both Claire and herself to a 3-year old Saturday morning cartoon character.

>>386767256
>the game has no unifying thread or theme
It does. Squall's character, dealing with one's past, the importance of relationships, love, etc.

>>386767760
Also destiny.

>>386767478
>breaking story, today, the notorious hacker named "the 4th Chin" has been arrested in London today for "mean internet posts" under hatespeech regulations
>reportedly he had been heard to call Islam a religion of peace, rather than, of course, the only religion on this earth, inshallah

>>386767425
Even ff9 is approaching 20 years old anon. It's time to accept it

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>>386767297
>>386767559
Not that guy, but according to most antique places, 30 years is the minimum before something is considered "classic", especially cars (in America) where the term is legally defined as 30 years, due to lessened restrictions on carbon output by those cars, as well as changed taxes and insurance premiums.

>>386767694
that sounds about on par with everything else Square's done post-2007

>3rd Birthday
>Aya Brea is actually her sister-clone Eve stuck in Aya's body for no reason
>Aya is also actually the monsters you've been fighting the entire time
>Aya's husbando goes off to "search for eternity"
>game ends

lolwut

>>386767575
I need a squall figma that I can put in a mini hotdog stand.

>>386767856
And duty. And conflict. And other flowery notions, really.

>>386767938
interesting, but the advancement of games and tech is rapid. what was the last advancement in furniture or vehicles? fuckin' Tesla can't even get off its ass and produce a car worth a shit.

meanwhile, the Nomad MP3 player belongs in a museum at this point.

>>386767240
KIt was released ont he PS1.

We have the PS4 now and the teens playing it now are the kids of people who were teens when it came out.

Yes you are old for not realizing that.

I played and beat FF8 when I was an illiterate 13 year old. I followed some of the story, that you're military school student who learns summons, gets promoted to SEED, and then you chase after a witch, and it turns out she was the caregiver at your orphanage or some shit, and then the witch turns out to be good, but possessed or something, then you fight her true form, THE END!

I was really just in it for the gameplay.

>>386766716
>ah dude. FF8 is different, but it is still fun

No it's not. Why do you think they never went back to the world or combat system of FF8 ever again?

>>386766740
No, everything I have said is right. Why do you think FF15 and FF13 did better than FF8?

>>386768143
Your point is fair, as well, but I think perception of the word "classic" is still locked to that 30 year thing, just like people (rightly) hating hipsters for calling literally any old junk they found in a garbage dump "vintage". Would "retro" work better? Most people stillassociate that with the SNES and earlier, too, though.

>>386768374
>Why do you think they never went back to the world or combat system of FF8 ever again?

I don't think VIII is all that great but not going back to it doesn't prove much. Each entry always changed up the formula some way, and most entries remained stand-alone, barring super popular ones like VII.

>>386768374
They were constantly trying out new mechanics with the final fantasies then. If they were just shooting for the most popular thing, it would have just been materia for years and years. A lot of JRPGs tried out different mechanics all the time then. It was great.

>>386768374
Do you have a single fact to back that up

is worth it to get it for half of his price on pc?

>>386768797
Go for it bro, there's fun to be had with it

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>>386767256
>the game has no unifying thread or theme
FFVIII takes a very strong stance toward predetermined destiny on the predetermined destiny vs free will argument and FFVIII's themes/main plot points are destiny and keeping the time loop in it's world going:

It's Laguna's destiny to defeat Adel and to become president of Esthar.
It's Squall's destiny to become the leader of SeeD and to defeat Ultimecia.
It's Zell's, Quistis', Selphie's and Irvine's destiny as the children of fate to defeat Ultimecia with Squall and to become "legendary SeeDs".
It's Ultimecia's destiny to get unjustly persecuted for things she hasn't even done yet and to try to overcome her fate with time compression
Everyone's destiny leads up to keeping the timeloop in games world going.

It's worth noting that none of the characters are exactly thrilled about their respective fates which is presented by Squall trying to deny the leadership role that is forced on him and Ultimecia doing everything in her power to overcome her fate ironically causing the exact thing she tried to prevent .

>>386768720
Okay, where was any real fanfare for the game after it's 10th anniversary? FF7 got it, FF10 got it.

>>386768730
But much of the good mechanics always made a return. Remember when many of FF7's mechanics return back into FF10? or when FF9 blended the design and style of FF4-FF6 with the PS1 designs? Remember when FF13's entire combat system was brought back in FF13-2? Or how they improved on FF10's initial combat with FF10-2?

>>386768751
Nobody clearly playtested FF8's combat system since the draw system was a huge problem. Plus the unlimited limit breaks, the GF stuff and the more busy body work you had to do.

The story was all over the place too. FF8's story starts off as a witch hunt, then evolves into a love story, then it becomes a time travel story until all three things just get slapped together. Basically everything post disk 1 is a huge mess of incoherency that uses Fan Theories instead of facts from the game. Even FF13 had a datalog to keep things together and more consistent.

>>386769280
Nobody clearly playtested FF8's combat system since the draw system was a huge problem. Plus the unlimited limit breaks, the GF stuff and the more busy body work you had to do.


>draw system was a huge problem
What?
>unlimited limit breaks
At a great risk, you had to be low on health.
>GF stuff
You mean the Junction system? Way better than infinite Materia.

>>386769554
1. Why have the characters draw magic when they could have gained it from shops, or leveled up to gain them along the way? Doesn't this waste time and create more turns than you need to have with the game?

Except there is that magic spell that allows the characters to go into the yellow without having to even lower your health bar. Plus you only need Squall to blast the unlimited limit break while the other two play support.

>>386769280
Wow you sure convinced me with those white hot opinions

Do you have a single fact to back up your arguement?

>>386768374
>Why do you think FF15 and FF13 did better than FF8?

they were the first single-player FFs of their
respective respective systems and there's a whole new generation of dumb kids who literally don't know any better and they're Square's current audience

>>386769280
>Basically everything post disk 1 is a huge mess of incoherency
Disc 1 has witches, time travel, and hints towards Squall's and Seifer's respective romances.

>>386769554
>>386769280
The FF8 system was just impossible to balance given the ways you could get magic. Card mod was a part of the game, but did they really intend for the player to get so absurdly powerful in such a short amount of time getting all that magic from card games? The game's difficulty is either a (honestly really funny) joke or a death march.

>>386745002
The problem is that the Junction system could've been really interesting if they'd done it better
>junction best spells to best stats
>if your party uses one of those spells, that stat is then severely weakened temporarily
>got Curaga on HP or Vit? Use it to heal someone? Well, now whoever had it junctioned is in a lot more danger
>got Meteor on attack? Use it to hurt the boss badly? Well now your attacker can't do jack shit damage for a while

But as it is, all I did was junction 100 ultimas and 100 Shells to elemental defence so that nearly every magic attack in the game actually healed my characters, then junctioned 100 Death to status attack and went to The Island Closest To Hell with the "stat-up" abilities junctioned so my characters would get a shitload of bonus stats from levelling up
I ended up being able to get 255 in most stats with shit-tier magic abilities anyway

>>386765421
>materia is the same as junctioning which is the same as the equip an item thing IX does

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>>386764047
I can hate FF8 just fine. If Square managed to hit a new low with everything directed by fucktard Toryiama and FF15, it doesn't make 8 less of a piece of shit game.

>>386769762
I think it was just another interesting way to find magic that you might not normally have access to. It would be nice if Draw rate wasn't tied to an attribute...because honestly. A player that noticed a new spell is going to go ham on it.

>>386769803
Not really. FF8 sold 6 million copies in one year. FF13 sold 6.2 million copies in one year. Yet FF8 is the one that didn't get an FF8-2, or a FF8 Compilations, or even any form of celebration after it's 10th anniversary.

FF13 got an entire subseries because of fan demand. Final Fantasy 15 sold 6 million within a few months.

>>386769762
Well, for starters, the Draw command in battle is mostly used for GF's, which you only need to cast once for.

Aside from that, all your magic is primarily stocked through the Refine commands from your GF's.

Aside from a few hard to get spells, which are a great effort to stock while in battle anyway.

If you're drawing in battle for the majority of your magic you're plain and simply playing the game wrong.

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>>386770151
>FF13 got an entire subseries because of fan demand
>because of fan demand

>>386745910
>>386746280
>>386746509
Squall gets impaled in the right-hand shoulder where there are no vital organs. It's not even low enough to hit his lung.

If your best argument is "it gets pretty wacky afterwards" when it's a fucking Final Fantasy game and you've already been exposed to magic dreams in the past, turning monsters into playing cards and then those cards into powerful items and magic, the fucking devil in a lamp, and plenty of other shit - then your theory is shit

>>386769762
Aura is scarce. There is only one one-time enemy in the game that it can be drawn from, the draw points are limited and yield very low amounts of the spell, and refining is slow because you get 5 Aura per Fury Fragment.

>>386770302
Well, the demand of a single fan: Lightning's creator.

>>386770151
>FF8 is the one that didn't get an FF8-2, or a FF8 Compilations, or even any form of celebration after it's 10th anniversary.

That's a good thing. A very good thing. Square's milking of FF7, 10, and 13 are fucking cancer.

>FF13 got an entire subseries because of fan demand.

yeah nah, it was because Square literally spent years on a piece of shit engine and had so many assets and crap left over with nothing else in the pipeline they LITERALLY had no choice but to churn out shitty sequels while Versus 13 was getting dragged around by Nomura.

>>386770302
>>386770375
No, it was from the millions of people who played the original game.

>>386770419
No, because there are plenty of games that had assets in which they were never used. Remember Bioshock Infinite and the 5 GAEMS WORTH OF ASSETS it left behind?

Just because they have it, doesn't mean they CAN do it. It was them asking "Should we make a XIII-2?" to the audience instead "Can we make a sequel to XIII"?

>>386769280
What mechanics of VII reappeared in X? I honestly don't know because I never really got further than ten hours into that one.

I also thought FF9 had a unique system where abilities were tied to equips unless you were severely autistic and made everyone learn everything.

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>>386770572
>millions of people who played the original game
Go to bed, Toriyama.

>>386766814
God damn. FF8 is my favorite FF game, but nothing has ever topped this intro.

>>386770572
>Remember Bioshock Infinite and the 5 GAEMS WORTH OF ASSETS it left behind?

The difference there is that studio fucked up even more and closed down afterwards. A shame Square didn't get the same benefit.

>It was them asking "Should we make a XIII-2?" to the audience

That literally never happened

>>386770638
>>What mechanics of VII reappeared in X? I honestly don't know because I never really got further than ten hours into that one.

I'm scratching my head over this as well. Is it because of the Sphere Grid, and spheres are round like materia?

>>386770638
The Limit/Overdrive system was roughly the same.

>>386770638
You can't make everyone learn everything in FFIX iirc.

>>386767425

>1999 was 5 years ago

Wow, Half Life 2 is great!

>>386770638
>>386770791

The Sphere Grid was their repeat of the Materia system. And the Limit system is basically the same too. They only took out the ATB in that combat system in FF10 where it was present in FF7.

>>386770661
Then explain to me why FF13-2 sold 3.1 million copies and almost as much as FF10-2? Explain to me what exactly was the point of asking people if they should make XIII-2 when all they needed were those 'precious assets' you keep pointing out.

>>386770760
Except they could have made more Bioshock with those assets. Plus I seem to recall that it was Ken Levine that decided to shut it down.

Also, you didn't read this
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII-2#Development

>>386770332
tfw broke the game by having each character stock up 99 aura each from Seifer

>>386770840
Probably meant making everyone learn all their job-specific abilities.

>>386767397
not him, but what are you talking about?

>>386771001
>didn't go to 100

but.. why?

>>386770968
>>Except they could have made more Bioshock with those assets

That's pretty much how Bioshock 2 came about.

>>386770968
>Then explain to me why FF13-2 sold 3.1 million copies
You mean only a half of 13?
And with LR selling a half of that despite the brand name and being a part of mainline series?
Eat shit, Toriyama. You will forever be the man who ruined final fantasy for the entire generation of consoles.

>>386770791
>>386770968
What? That's nothing like materia. The sphere grid was like the passive tree in Path of Exile. Materia were equips that pretty much determined how a character would play.

>>386770809
>>386770840
Also: yeah, you're both right.

ff1-10 = good
ff11-15 = shit

Did anyone else here find materia to be pointless? People talk about it like it's this great system but I still just ended up hitting things with swords until they died.

>>386771250
I think the game was essentially too easy to have to delve into proper use of it, yeah. It also had the effect of making characters more or less interchangeable for a majority of the game.

>>386771113
Except that was BEFORE Bioshock Infinite even happened. Bioshock infinite was the 5 games worth of assets thing

>>386771130
So let me get this straight:

FF10 sells 6.7 million and FF10-2 sells 3.4 million and you don't complain about it.

FF7 sold 9.8 million while Crisis Core sells 2.57 million and Dirge of Cerberus sells 1.2 million and you don't complain about it.

But FF13 sells 6.2 million with FF13-2 selling 3.1 million and LR-FF13 sells 1.4 million and it's "SEE!?!?! FF13 SUCKS!!! EAT SHIT TORIYAMA!!!!"

Fuck off on your logic dumb ass. You are a hypocrite.

>>386770968

Stop talking about Bioshock

FF13-2 and 13-3 came about because Square is bereft of creativity and talent, and needed to churn out games pronto (prompto) using what they had.

The wiki link even has this line in it: "They also said the first installment had enough cut content to fill a new game."
And this line: "The development of the first Final Fantasy XIII game was problematic due to poor communication between different sectors of the development"

Toriyama, the creator of Lightning, is the one who said they did it because people wanted more Lightning, so fuck that theory

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>>386771250
Yeah, I really hated the idea of customizing the skill loadout of my character. What a useless feature.
You're a fucking moron and uncreative as fuck. I had a Knights of the Round + Mimic combo going on that made 200k damage. have fun pressing attack for half an hour.

>>386746471
without a doubt the best ff ost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eU0tRBHnE0

>>386771397
>FF10 sells 6.7 million and FF10-2 sells 3.4 million and you don't complain about it.
>FF7 sold 9.8 million while Crisis Core sells 2.57 million and Dirge of Cerberus sells 1.2 million and you don't complain about it.

I dunno about anyone else, but I want less shitty sequels to games that don't fucking need sequels.

>>386771412
Except you cut out the first two paragraphs to fit your narrative

>Hints at a sequel to Final Fantasy XIII were first given when Square Enix stated they would be willing to create a direct sequel if the fans want it. They also said the first installment had enough cut content to fill a new game. Late 2010, in an interview from the Final Fantasy XIII Ultimania Omega, Motomu Toriyama proclaimed the idea to make a story where Lightning "ends up happy in the end." Furthermore, an autographed postcard was personally sent by Tetsuya Nomura to members of the Japanese Square Enix Members community, with an artwork of Lightning and a message saying "She must not be forgotten." Later, Square Enix registered the domain for the game. The game was officially announced at the "Square Enix 1st Production Department Premiere" event on January 18, 2011.

Toriyama has said in an interview with Famitsu[10]the main reason they decided to make a sequel is that there was demand throughout the world and because the development staff wanted to portray Lightning's character further, to give her a clear conclusion. This ended up not being the case, however, and Lightning's story was to be continued in the sequel Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII.

Any idiot can twist someone's words to mean something else without context.

>>386771508
Except those games happened because people WANTED them. If they didn't want them, they can say no. Don't act like people are stupid.

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>>386746471
https://youtu.be/K6n5INwdu7o
I want to live there.

>>386771250
Its good because you can customize your characters instead of being stuck with a class, but yeah i think the only spells i used in FF7 were Restore and Time.

>>386771397
Toriyama was the one behind 10-2 and Revenant Wings, some of the other shittiest followups to the numeric games.
Compilation games are almost equally awful, but at least they don't force a dreadful waifu down the fan's throats.
Your point?

>>386771423
Have fun doing nothing for half an hour while you summon KOTR 8 times in a row.

Great FF games that are actually great games:
>FFIV
>FFV
>FFVI
>FFXII
Good FF games that don't hold up outside of the franchise
>FFVII
>FFIX
>FFX

Everything else is mediocre or bad.

>>386771679
Did you play the pc version on an arduino or something? lmao

>>386771597
>>Hints at a sequel to Final Fantasy XIII were first given when Square Enix stated they would be willing to create a direct sequel if the fans want it. They also said the first installment had enough cut content to fill a new game. Late 2010, in an interview from the Final Fantasy XIII Ultimania Omega, Motomu Toriyama proclaimed the idea to make a story where Lightning "ends up happy in the end." Furthermore, an autographed postcard was personally sent by Tetsuya Nomura to members of the Japanese Square Enix Members community, with an artwork of Lightning and a message saying "She must not be forgotten." Later, Square Enix registered the domain for the game. The game was officially announced at the "Square Enix 1st Production Department Premiere" event on January 18, 2011.

This isn't really helping your case. It basically says "Yea, we're making more regardless, so buck up and get used to it".

>>386771597
You're missing the point: Toriyama saying that doesn't make it true. The man's a nutcase.

Just because a game made 10 million sales or whatever doesn't mean everyone who bough it kept it, played it, or even enjoyed it.

>>386771597
>Except those games happened because people WANTED them.

Fuck off. If that were true we would've gotten a new Mega Man game or DMC5 or a new Chrono Trigger or Brace Fencer game.
Plus, if people wanted them why did they sell less? You make no fucking sense whatsoever.

>>386771669
Except FF10-2 was happening with Sakaguchi was around. They made it with both him and Kitase still around. And they made it so that people would have to say yes for it to happen.

You are just twisting their words to look bad rather than looking at how they work

>>386771708
>FF12

>>386771803
That's not how it works. If that was the case than Fortress FF12 and FF10-3 would have happened as well.

You are just ignoring the process and trying to act like it didn't happen.

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The pinnacle of the series.

>>386767938
nothing about late 80's cars is classic

>>386771190
>FFXI/XIVARR
>shit

"no"

>>386771971
Laguna is genuinely the best character in the game.

>>386771884
>You're missing the point: Toriyama saying that doesn't make it true. The man's a nutcase.

No, you are the nutcase for not actually listening to him and Kitase when they asked people if they wanted FF13-2 and then throwing a temper tantrum when it turns out that many others wanted it. Just because you didn't listen didn't mean you were right.

No you fuck off. They gave us another Mega Man and that was Mighty Number 9. Or did you forget? Also, they tried giving us a franchise from Chrono but it fell apart with the second game AKA Chrono Cross. or did you forget about "Chrono Break"?

>>386771978
>Toyota Supra
>Mazda RX-7
>Ford Mustang
>Syclone/Typhoon (technically 1991)

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>>386771904
>Except FF10-2 was happening with Sakaguchi was around
It was directed by Toriyama and utterly ruined the X's universe, themes and characterization of Yuna.
Kitase was the one dickriding Toriyama for some reason, if it wasn't for him he would never get to taint any mainline game as a director. Everything Toriyama touches turns to shit.

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>>386772061
Yes.

>>386771904
>FF12
Yes, one of the best mainline games directed by a person Sakaguchi considered his own successor.

>>386766653
edea is an unused character design from FFVII though

>>386772159
Let's not pretend X was good or that the characterization of cardboard yuna is anything to give a shit about.

They made a bad game and then made bad sequels. The end.

>>386772108
>According to SQUARE ENIX, people wanted more Lightning! You should LISTEN and BELIEVE to Square Enix!
>They did give us more Mega Man! It was a game that wasn't fucking Mega Man!
>They did give us more Chrono Trigger! It was a spin-off from 17 years ago! And a game that never happened!

OK, i get it now. you're mentally retarded.

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>>386771978
>having bad opinions

>>386743925
Stole the funding from xwnogears. A much better game and concept.

>>386772159
>It was directed by Toriyama and utterly ruined the X's universe, themes and characterization of Yuna.

No, Kitase was the one who wanted the Charlie's Angel stuff instead of the Auron-Jecht-Braska prequel.

Toriyama makes decent number titles and only the -2 games were problematic

>>386772280
No, it was an incomplete offline MMO in which was overhauled in the IZJS and Ito was never seen again directing something in over 11 years

>>386772358
>According to ANON, people DIDN'T wanted more Lightning! You shouldn't LISTEN and BELIEVE Square Enix!

>They did give us more Mega Man! It was a game that was made by the guy who created Mega Man!

>They did give us more Chrono Trigger! It was a sequel from 17 years ago! And the game that never happened because of poor reception over the sequel!

I fixed your stuff since you clearly mistyped.

>>386772323
>Let's not pretend X was good
Hell of a lot better than X-2, that's for sure. Alongside turning a modest priestess into a tasteless slut because Toriyama can't write characters for shit.

>>386745250
The only real flaws are the characters and story which don't matter too much, imo.

>>386772559
Toryama can make decent games. And he can write characters idiot. Don't act like you are cool at being contrarian.

>>386772553
>No, Kitase was the one who wanted the Charlie's Angel stuff
Have i mentioned that Kitase is as tasteless as Toriyama he was actively dickriding which led to the disastern known as FF13? A perfect duo of shit eaters.

>>386772559
Shit is shit, anon. You can both squabble about the bottom of the pile all you want.
>modest priestess
you mean doormat Yamato Nadeshiko with OC donut steel sonic the hedgehog heterochromia.

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>>386772397
God, I fucking love g-bodies

here's mine

>>386772559
>priestess of a religion revealed to be a lie
>s-she should stay the same in the sequel

>>386772553
>>According to ANON, people DIDN'T wanted more Lightning! You shouldn't LISTEN and BELIEVE Square Enix!

Yes, finally. You get it.

>They did give us more Mega Man! It was a game that was made by the guy who created Mega Man!

Inafune didn't create Mega Man.


>They did give us more Chrono Trigger! It was a sequel from 17 years ago! And the game that never happened because of poor reception over the sequel!

Chrono Cross was 17 years ago, before you were born. It got a great "reception", so once again, you've gone full retard.

>>386772693
Except Toriyama and Kitase made number titles that were big and high up on people lists.

>FF6
>FF7
>FF10
>FF13

Don't act like Sakaguchi and Ito were constantly developing better games when Kitase made the two best mainline FF games ever. And Toriyama's FF10 and FF13 are much better well received than Ito's FF9 and FF12. While FF9 I like, it's more of a niche following.

>>386772650
>Toryama can make decent games.
No, he can't. He's responsible for ruining FF10 and FF12. He's responsible for utterly fucking up Parasite Eve and making such an incoherent mess out of it even Square is trying to forget that 3rd Birthday ever happened.

He's also responsible for Bahamut Lagoon, the game with probably the shittiest story i ever saw.

He is a man who should never have a creative freedom. If he has even a bit of it, at least Honeybee is bound to happen. I'm happy he's forgotten and thrown into a garbage bin though.

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>>386772960
>likes X
>hates honeybee inn
you're losing the crowd.

>>386773040
>he actually liked the scene where Cloud got fucked by a team of faggots
>>>/out/
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/trash/

>>386745250
>>386765378
>>386764635
>>386764242
You gotta admit, manipulating rng to eliminate rules for hours on end is pretty fucking lame.

>>386772880
A modest priestess with strict education won't turn into a j-pop slut, anon.