FFXIV Stormblood

>>378712710
AS someone who does the only gathering class that matters fishing we already know that we upgrading to spear fishing. Nothing else matters.

>>378712548
>that hack
>saving anything

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GIVE ME BACK MY DOTS YOU FUCKING CHINK

Who is ready for more unspoiled nodes every 60 minutes in SB for gatherers? This time underwater!

>pld drk is the new otp
>wars throwing autistic fits and trying to turn them against each other
Day of the shed is here

>>378712548
yoshi you fuckingnhack stop ruining blm REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>378712548
as a WHM main from 2.0, Im glad i finally dropped that shit job for a real bull's job, the MNK

>>378712792
>now have an excuse to put my character in a speedo
Based Yoshi

>>378712792
>yfw spear fishing becomes similar to btn and min because no need for bait

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So they addressed teh issue of having to swap bonus points if you wanted to play smn or sch by getting rid of bonus points entirely

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Let us have a moment of silence for summoners and white mages

>>378713008
good choice, it was a stupid system anyways

>>378712934
Hope your ready to prep your SAM bulls

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Q U I C K

WE MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY CERTAINTY B U T

POST YOUR CHOICES FOR T H E S H E D

>WHM
>WAR
>MNK

>>378712829
I fucking hate unspoiled node shit so much.

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>>378713008

they were pointless anyways

>>378713043
here lies WHM, SMN and MNK

>>378713008
Good because no choice is better than the illusion of choice, tricking new players into putting Str on tanks.

>>378713043
There won't be any silence, they'll be busy marking slurping and suction sounds on the cocks of the other raiders as they prep them.

>>378713008
Not that this is a big deal, you putted everything in one stat anyway.

>main of each role is Drg, Pld, and Astro

i think im okay with what I get

kinda bummed they are taking out ring of thorns tho, i loved spamming that in towns and in game parties

>>378711574
Yeah. Calculating how much MP RDM will spend, it would be about 4680 MP from opener to finisher. They can do this up to 3 times before they lose MP (this is based on them wearing the AF which gives them 14400 MP), not counting MP ticks and Lucid Dream.
Lucid Dream is probably not enough and RDM would suffer MP issues in longer fights that's for sure.

RDM wouldn't have any luxury using its 2 other utilities a lot, plus that it has bad AoE compared to BLM and SMN I feel RDM is pretty weak now.

>>378712934
>MNK cuck with worse DPS than ever due to speed nerf
Enjoy prepping your nipponese overlords, Ala Mhigger.

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>>378713101
>MNK
>in the shed

>>378713101
>▶
SAM
RDM
AST
SCH
DRK

>>378713101
>WAR
>shed
Lol?

>>378712854
>tfw I called this happening but almost thought I was wrong before we actually got to see the tooltips and only saw that WAR could do 6 Fell Cleaves back-to-back

>>378713189
this image needs to be updated now that we know that SAM is the king of melee

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>wanted to play SAM for shits n giggles when it was announced
>those potency numbers

Holy fucking shit Yoshi has completely lost it, utility be damned

>>378712548
*saves the mmo genre by moving the server to even a laggier place for almost everyone*

>>378713231
>He doesn't know!

>>378713293
>implying raid autists will allow for selfish dps
unless the ideal setup is all SAM dps, SAM is going in the shed

>>378713043
To be honest...SMN isn't THAT bad as people make it out to be.
It got gutted hard, sure but it got buffed significantly even though it doesn't look impressive. SMN will have better single-target but worse AoE.

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>>378713043
>tfw my only lvl 60 jobs are WHM and SMN

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>>378713115
You mother fucker. Ya got me

BRD OR MCH HELP

>>378713360
3 sam 1 drg 1 mnk/nin

>>378713008
Wait, so now tanks can't dump their 30 points into Strength?

ARE YOU F U C K I N G S E R I O U S ?

>>378713413
>2% crit/15% direct hit
Vs
>5% Damage up

>>378713495
wtf is direct hit?

>>378712548
Can't fucking wait bros
>>378713413
BRD

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If WHM is really good at pure healing, doesn't that make them able to solo heal in most raid and trial all the time?

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>>378713118
>>378713043
May they rest in rip

>>378713564
everything not aoe

>using potd to level classes when you can level all the way to 70 through pvp now

So MNK now has the best AOE damage in the entire game?

Elixir Field + Howling Fist + Rockbreaker haven't been touched at all by the nerf sticks

Every other JOB is getting AOE nerfs across the board and here is MNK with its godlike aoes untouched from HW

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stop playing WHM

I tried to warn you why didn't you listen?

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Wtf do I do for 16 days

I main MNK and was preparing SMN as a side class, did I get screwed?

I feel like Monk would be okay if fags of fire didn't have a detriment that goes against the exact thing I like about monk, and the ten potency nerfs seem unneeded. But I don't really get what's going wrong with SMN, aside from them losing a dot for no good reason.

>>378713612
SAM is looking to have fantastic AOE

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>>378713043
Smn is fine, dot mage was always gay, now they are a bahamut mage.

>>378713495
BRD also gets 3% Damage up from Foe Requiem according to the Famitsu tooltips.

>AST is better at healing than WHM
How did they get away with this? Just delete WHM for fucks sake.

>>378713609
You can?

>>378713609
>even considering playing the shitfest that is PvP
maybe the new balance will somehow make the zergfest fun

>>378713612
NIN still exists and is only getting buffed, you're still in the shed

>>378713564
A stat that is basically a minicrit that can stack with crit.

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>Decided to drop SCH for SAM in Stormblood
>Mfw all these nerfs

See you on the other side, and don't forget to give me my crit buff, fags.

>>378713737
Yes you get the same exp now

>>378713687
No that's enemy damage down.

>>378713574
You can't say for sure until people see what SB raids are like, but in HW raids it was more of a DPS focus and raid damage didn't need two healers doing 100% healing outside of a few instances. I really hope SB does bring something new to the mechanics that requires more healing or making the healers do more work like in Ifrit EX.

Reminder that Chained Strategem was SCH's only saving grace.

>>378713043
>Wants to be a dot mage, and not a actually summoner
SMN is always going to be shit with people like you and others forcing us to be a discount warlock.

>>378713789
Was toying with the idea of dropping my SCH for RDM, BRD or MCH way before it was shed status. Guess I lucked out

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PLD is back baby

it only took them like four years

we're holy n' shit

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Now that the dust has settled,

Post your new favourite
>Tank
>Healer
>MDPS
>RDPS
>Main job

>>378713008
It only gave the illusion of customization anyway.

>>378713889
Fucking this, why are so many players obsessed with dots. Let the game be combo button mash focused with an emphasis on weaving in oGCDs and managing your extra resource and buffs.

Dots are fucking archaic and useless, all they do is hamper flow, especially since most of them have no additional effect.

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>>378713845
Nope.

>>378713889
>be an actual summoner
>once every two minutes after every one uses battle litany and trick attack
They don't even line up with other party buffs now

>>378713964
DRK
FUCK HEALERS
SAM
MCH

H Y P E

>>378713789
SCH still gets a spot in every raid because not everyone can be AST

>>378713964
>Tank: Warrior WAR
>Healer: Scholar SCH
>MDPS: Pugilist PGL
>RDPS: Machinist MCH

>Main job: Pugilist PGL

>>378713940
I'm not really liking Holy Spirit desu but otherwise I'm hyped

>>378714016
I don't speak French

>>378713889
but HW SMN is great

>>378714016
I can't read Korean faggot

New person question. Do AF sets become dyeable? Will this new one?

>>378714087
This their rotation in HW was literally perfect

Wait what did they do to WAR?
I dont play one but my friend does, and if they nerfed it there would be no way I could convince him to come back again then.

>>378714102
Yes through upgrades.

https://youtu.be/4SyUBgLahjw

>all three tanks are viable now
Awesome
>healer balance is even more fucked now than tank balance ever was
Well shit

>>378713964
Stop posting this ugly ass character

>tank
Tie between PLD and DRK
>healer
WHM but only because of how much of a joke it is
>MDPS
SAM
>RDPS
RDM
>main
Either PLD or DRK

>>378713964
PLD for there level 70 save the girls skill.
AST for being OP but will also likely get nerfed.
DRG
RDM
I play all casters and healers at 60.

anyone got any ideas for a gentiana glamour? is there any robe close to hers in game?

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>>378714067
dude we actually have damage now

we can block magic

we have "save the party" skills

and we have a IGNORE MECHANICS skill

we're literally invincible now

>>378713574
That was my thought. Put them in with SCH and let SCH dps most of the fight while WHM has all the big dick heals.

>>378712813

>Gap closer costs job mana
>LaughingDRKs.png

>>378714102

level 50 one is only dyable once you exchange it alongside a special item

level 60 one is dyable when you upgrade it to ilevel 210

the level 70 seems to be dyable right from the get-go (>>378713008)

How to fix WHM
>Literally just give it Reflect
WHM is SAVED! Not this Divine Benison and Plenary Indulgence bullshit.

>>378714070
>>378714089
tl;dr translation team is a faggot and mistranslated

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>>378714057
Yeah, you're the leftovers that just manage to be less shit than the other option, congrats.

Enjoy your -80% damage bane, and no bliz 2 dungeon runs.

>>378714297
Thank you.

>>378714234
It's more of an aesthetic thing wish it was cooler looking, but yeah can't wait to save niggas with passage of arms

>>378713964
DRK
AST
SAM
BRD

SAM

>>378714330
Nice source ya got there boyo

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>>378713964
>PLD
>AST
>NIN
>BRD + RDM

Probably rolling RDM and AST/WHM as my mains. Friend says it won't be that bad, but i'm not entirely sure. Time to give Yoshi 15 bucks indirectly for level 60 AST

>>378714234
>dude we actually have damage now


Damage? Are you serious?

Tank damage is now based on Strength

You no longer have 45 bonus points of Strength to spend, they will automatically be Vitaility

You no longer have STR accessories and will have to deal with melding STR on you--
>Materia melding is 1 slot only on left side which already has STR on it

Yeah, you're not doing any kind of damage, kid.

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Never forget his heroic sacrifice to give us shroud of saints.

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>>378714392
you can always be a true patrician and dye your 2.0 AF armor with the whitest available dye

Reminder BLU would have been far better than more weeb bait

>>378714460
Draw a crescent moon on ast hat

>>378714405
I trust famitsu more than dumb youtube personalities
https://www.famitsu.com/news/201705/31134234.html?page=12
Also of note is that dirunal heal buff is 10% instead of 15% and flamethrower is 60 pot not 6

>>378714551
>BLU
>don't actually learn skills from monster and learn them from job quests instead
Nah. XIV has butchered enough.

>>378714439
>so said the butthurt warrior

>>378714087
THIS

HW smn was fun as fuck and the rotation was great

>>378714551
>caring for a literal minigame

BLU is a gold saucer class in this game's format. It's worthless.

>>378714551
I preordered the collectors edition specifically because of the weeb bait.

>>378714614
As much as I hate xiv youtube personalities, it's more Koji's fault than anything, they played the game in English.

>>378713889
Fuck you even with bahamut the class is ruined beyond repair
>Fester has a potency nerf
>only two dots instead of three
> misama 2 no longer an aoe,
>bane has a 80% potency nerf(Bio has a 40 potency with bane it's potency is now 8 which is nothing),
>aetherflow recovers 10% mp instead of 20,
>we lost blizzard 2,
>ruin 3 lost 50 potency
>ruin 4 has same potency as current ruin 3 but it's a proc
>bahamut only shows up one minute after pull starts meaning you can't allign your damage with other party buffs
>after that bahamut will only show up once every two minutes
>shadow flare is now an ocd you can use every 60 seconds so you can't place another one down as soon as it ends
We are fucking ruined. Bahamut every two minutes is not worth these nerfs. I don't blame anyone for being upset and switching classes

>>378714439
He means compared to what we had before when up against DRK and WAR. Obviously we know tank damage in general is being trivialized.

how are people actually complaining about summoner


you finally get a real fucking summon, something people have been asking for FOUR YEARS not to mention enkindle: bahamut does fucking 1400 potency within 15 seconds


why are you fucking crying we get some of the best shit!!!

>>378714713

>>Fester has a potency nerf

2x200 potency instead of 3x100 potency

it got buffed

>>378714713
Why the fuck did they nerf SMN so hard anyways?

>>378714826
They hate big dick pulls, based on all the aoe nerfs.

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>>378713964
>Tank
DRK
>Healer
SCH
>MDPS
NIN
>RDPS
MCH
>Caster
BLM
>Main Job
DRK.
It's gonna be a good expansion.

>>378714173
Further more when larri did video he was using the NA tooltips which aren't accurate.

Somehow MAGICALLY ever NA tooltip was a nerf, you figured at least one of them was an accidental buff but nope. ALl of the fucked up na tooltips were nerfs. SO lots of these "nerfs" aren't here.

>>378714713
fester was mistranslated, it's 200 pot per dot
garuda-egi applies magic vuln up
ifrit-egi applies physical vuln up

>>378714520
highlanders always have the same fucking face. how unoriginal. I don't know how you people can be proud of your characters when they look the same as every one else's except hair.

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Melee Physical DPS Limit Breaks

Melee Physical DPS Limit Breaks require Lancer, Pugilist, Rogue, Dragoon, Monk or Ninja.
Braver

Braver is the level 1 limit break for Melee DPS. It executes a single target attack with potency of 2300.
Are limit breaks getting buffed? 2300 potency is now shit compared to what Summoners and SAM's are going to be putting out

>>378714781
Honestly I was upset at the dot changes since I had gotten so used to them, but now that I think about it, yeah Bahamut does make up for it.
dropping real Ahk Morns on shit will be fun as hell.

>>378714819
Fester says 200 for both. Not 200 each. Might be a tooltip error either way, since it makes no sense to have the same potency as the AoE option.

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>people getting upset over tooltips that were mistranslated from a build that clearly isn't final and actually think they know how the game is going to play without actually playing it

>>378714673
It's probably down to different builds and non-finalized text or even someone else on the translation team. Koji obviously knows Japanese.

>>378713964
>pld
>ast i guess
>sam or drg
>mch
I dont like healing in this game so thats why i just defaulted to ast, but my main will probably still be mch, unless I can find a group that'll take a new tank for savage.

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>>378715007

>>378714970
It's still calculated by on average ilvl of the group no?

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>>378714551
Lets all take a step back from the balance changes and come together as one to laugh at the BLU fags

>>378714936
Highlanders have the worst face options. I've only ever seen that one or the old bearded man one for wizard players.
Meanwhile Midlander has 6 faces, although 2 are practically the same babyface.

>>378713964
DRK
AST
NIN? I fucking hate melee DPS
MCH
DRK

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>Playing WHM at SB
For what purpose?

>>378715101
it's 2300 potency where the WD is the average of the party's WD. Has nothing to do with ilvl.

But generally, a limit break won't be a stronger WD than your own weaponskills.

Ergo, 2300 potency is still complete and utter dogshit

>>378714551
Weeb expansion gets weeb classes its fine. The game is perfectly healthy so we will get several more expansions and several more classes.

What the fuck were they thinking making MCH's flamethrower only have S I X P O T E N C Y. I understand it's main purpose is heat generation but JESUS. AND WHERE'S MY LEAD SHOT GODDAMNIT.

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>>378714781
>Non-baby summoners have to suffer because autists like you cried about no huge summons to appease your low attention span

>>378715231
Ill level it later for dungeon speedruns.

>>378714890

WAR
SCH
NIN
BRD
RDM
BRD

Im gonna have F U N

>>378712548
>saving mmos
naw, he just making them into casual shit

>>378715231
>playing anything but SAM

>>378715347
theres literally no possible way that isn't a typo for 60

>>378715231
Will get buffed eventually and af gear.

>>378715347
Its 60 per tick for up to 10 seconds.

>>378715347
But its 60 potency anon, tooltip was wrong. Lots of them were. ALso all the heat gen stuff was wrong too.

>>378715383
I sure fucking hope it's a typo

>>378714975
i'm actually fucking happy


think about it dudes


half our rotation won't involve DoT upkeep....

we get a free tri-disaster every time we use aetherflow...


we can give a fucking permanent 5% damage/mitigation/healing increase to whoever we want in the party

they are giving us the ability to APPLY MAGIC VULNERABILITY/PHYSICAL VULNERABILITY IN RAIDS


we gonna make it... we're gonna be top tier!

>>378715231
I'm not even though WHM has been my main job since I started playing. I guess I'm becoming a full time red mage until we get our chemist healer.

>>378715383

maybe if they made it tick every 0.05 seconds, that would be fun to watch

>>378714643
>>378714159
I think the 4.0 rotation is alright. Sure that Ruin III and Fester got nerfed and you can't use Fester on DWT anymore but DWT resets Tri-Disaster so it's possible you won't be manually casting both corruption spells anymore, plus that Tri-Disaster buffs Ruin spells significantly.

>>378713681
Best hairstyle is the one with the cute tied parts on the sides. The vanilla one

>>378715440
You'll be standing around a lot spamming Ruin even during AoE.

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Out goes WAR and in comes PLD

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>>378714936
beats playing a sub-human race like... all others

only acceptable race apart from highlanders are shrek cosplayers

go back to your ERP den

>>378713964
DRK
AST
DRG, NIN, SAM, can't make me choose
RDM
DRG, may switch to SAM

>>378715440
Will they change the name on Tri-Disaster? since its not really 3 dots applied anymore is it.

Should I resub to WoW or FFXIV?
It's driving me nuts, I just want an easy, laid back experience.

>>378715440
Don't peddle your lies to me

>>378713668
>best at AOE
>best at single target
>best at "oh shit I'm about to die" self heals
>only drawback is that the other dps's lube up my thousand fold steel before I fuck your girl but I don't share her with you

>>378714781
1400 potency within 2 minutes, plus it has damage disparity so it won't make up for SMN's significant AoE DPS loss.

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White mage was born in the shed it will die in the shed

>>378715573
That FoF buff is uncalled for.

>>378715650
Well it gives three things: 2 dots and buff to ruin

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>>378715347
>Being this retarded
It's 60 potency. the Jap skill tool tips are completely different for most classes, such as overheat actually giving you 20% damage for 10 secs.

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So will Hissatsu Kaiten work on Higanbana to buff your already inane dot?

>>378715573
what the fuck 50% uptime on a 30% buff?

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>>378715126
With a lot of effort you can make the other faces bearable

>>378715573
So after FoF combo we should use Requiescat and then spam Holy Spirit for 12 seconds?

>>378713101
Shed is confirmed Whm, War, Smn, Mch

>>378715802
How can anyone compete? PLD could make a nice OT now, but also the best MT for progression. Maybe not for farm. They have a lot of direct control over mitigating for their MT too.

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>fairy healing buffed

Will WHM ever recover?

>>378714781
Yeah I can enjoy bahamut every two minutes oh boy. Nerf aetherflow's coold down to 30 seconds so we can summon him once a minute and he would be fine other wise everything we got were nerfs

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>>378714439
>>378714718
Yoshi's i290 lala WAR, as well as test kits at the media tour, were doing about 8-10% more damage on the same attacks as an i270 BiS tank of the same job

If tank DPS is getting nerfed, it either hasn't been implemented yet, or isn't really a nerf at all, and just a numbers change

>>378715708
>>378715802
OUR TIME IS NOW

>>378715708
FUCK YOU THIS IS OUR TIME. WE HAD 2 YEARS, 2 FUCKING YEARS OF BEING UNVIABLE. It's our time to shine now bitches.

AND YOU OTHER TANKS ARE STILL BENEFITTING, You still our class abilities that we are now forced to take role skills on now to get our own abilities back. Cause guess what, we had the best ones.

>>378715864
It was nerfed to 250 though.

>>378715756
>buffing the dot instead of the fuck huge 3 sen hit

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>>378715126
The bearded man can be a spanish/portuguese (same shit) conquistador

>>378715840
Cycling between Requiscat burst window into RA+Goring FoF burst window until you have full MP and back into Requiscat. Maybe someone will math out WAR to still be better, but PLD would be a diamond tier offtank now and serve for any MT fight needed.

>>378715934
it was lowered to 250 because it now scales with the healing trait. It's 325 with the 30%

So MNK. SMN and WHM confirmed cuck shed who else is going in? I am thinking war since we don't need them for slashing anymore

>>378715934
with the new maim and mend it's higher

>samurai skills look badass
>cool mechanics
>2 more weeks until early access
KILL ME NOW

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>>378715962
>He thinks you can't buff both

>>378713318
>nippon steel folded one birrion times: the class
>not expecting it to be able to cut through inferior PIGGU STEERU for days

What can i even say to you

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>>378714460
I just wanted a healing class without a fucking pet or having to play goddamn slots all day. Breaking dungeon mechanics with assize and holy damage was fun too. Fuck it I'll just sit in dps queue all day long instead.
Yoshi-p can shove my white mage anima and zodiac weapons up his fucking ass for all I care.

>>378715904
>>378715681
>>378715543


This just proves to me that summoners are the whiniest, "gimme gimme" players in the whole fucking playerbase


Ever since 2.0, people have fucking cried enough tears to fill a fucking ocean about summoners and "how it doesn't fit the theme" or whatever the fuck.


It's not like they'll quit summoner either, nope. They will keep on crying and whining until SE finally gives them something and then they promptly cry about something else.


Summoner was a mistake.

>>378716043
WHM and MNK got it worse. SMN's saving grace is Devotion and the pet buffs.

how long until these threads get hit by the eternal spam bot

>>378716083
oh fuck me right in the pussy, it's a 5sec recast time jesus christ this is gonna be GOAT

>>378712548
ya that still looks lika a dress to me...

>>378716172
Honestly they should just flat out remove dots and let them spam painflare with lower potency.

>>378716043
The optimal set up will probably be something like DRK, PLD, SCH, AST, SAM, DRG/NIN, BRD, MCH/RDM

>>378713008
>You are filled with DETERMINATION

>>378716172
I was perfectly fine with how smn played in HW. I had no complaints at all from 3.0 - 3.5.
>It's not like they'll quit summoner either, nope
Nope these huge nerfs made me switch to rdm.

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>>378716043
>Have to probably wait until 4.3 for Yoshi to get his head out of his ass and fix monk's potencies

So is there a place with all the new tool tips that I can look at yet?

>>378713043
What happened with SMN? Last I saw people were jizzing about ACTUAL SUMMONS, when it was clear the Bahamut summon only lasts for like, 10 seconds.

>>378716206
Soon probably. This is just bitching and shed posting now.

>>378716172
I never cared about SMN's summon aesthetic at all. People who complain about that are people who never even play SMN and just want the LMAO BIG SUMMON aesthetic to make them play it.

ARR SMN was horrible, HW SMN was great, then they do this...mistake. SMN didn't deserve to be nerfed like that just because Yoshi doesn't like speedruns.

>>378716387
see >>378714713

>>378716405

that's what people said about the east coast ping posting

>>378715840
Probably Req > 4-5x Holy Spirit > FoF > Goring > etc

since Req's effect only lasts 12s it'd probably be better to use it asap

>>378716009
The WAR rotations have been basically 100% mathed out at this point

4 FC in Berserk
6 FC + 1 Upheaval in Release Berserk
1 Upheaval in between each Berserk
it's solid, but not insane

WHM looks like it's firmly planted in the shed and looks boring as fuck compared to the others, but I'm not quite ready to write it off JUST yet. Obviously only a select few have played any of the updated classes yet, but has anyone done the math to compare the healer roles to see where they stand in relation to one another?

>>378716206
You mean the gw2g bot?
because that shit is terrifying
>mods can't do anything about it
>390 rangebans by now
>still going at it

>>378716374
>Nope these huge nerfs made me switch to rdm.


boy are you in for a treat if you think SMN aoe is bad now... go take a look at RDM's aoe options

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>>378716240
Yeah nigga, I already got the rotation down I think.

Hakaze - Yukikaze - Jinpu - HISSATSU KAITEN - Higanbana - Gekko - Hakaze - Shifu - Kasha - HISSATSU KAITEN - Midare - Meikyo Shisui - Yuki - Gekko - Kasha - HISSATSU KAITEN - Midare

The only thing I'm unsure of, I think, is when to use Gurren, because I don't think the 800 potency is worth it to use single target when you can spend that on kaiten midare or movement skills.

>>378716491
And this is all we have to say for 2 weeks now.

>>378716270
How is DRK good now to replace WAR? What happened to WAR?

>>378716472
What are the official changes to MCH?

>>378716270
I can easily see any combo of the 3 tanks being viable, and the rest of the list makes sense, the drg brd mch comp and the nin brd rdm comp seem to be the best combinations of the classes..

>>378716546
I don't care as I wont feel like a shadow of my former self. Also their aoe nerfs aren't even my biggest problem it's the fact that they gutted ruin 3 and having one less dot

>>378716546
Honestly I'm having second thoughs about RDM. Their main problems will be shit AoEs and the lack of MP regeneration that's for sure.
Their single target DPS is great though, might be better than the other casters.

>>378716528
Theres not much math to it. People like utility (see: damage). All they bring is more on demand emergency healing. WHM in 4.0 looks almost identical to 3.0 except higher potency. Plus Yoshi the absolute madman buffed sects and noct barriers again, gave them a superior assize, lets them turn useless cards into a nuke or off gcd heal, and speed up lightspeed akin to WHM.

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Let's fix AST.

>In addition to their regular cards, they can also draw The Skull.
>Drawing The Skull at any time causes a random party member to be stunned for five seconds.

>>378716498
It seems PLD will want some skill speed to make more attacks during the window? Or the gain is pointless?

What do WHM's numbers look like when compared to the other healers? WHM seems boring as fuck to play and has little utility, but if they can outheal the others they may see some play in progression.

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>>378716591
Both DRK and PLD got tons of tools that work well as MTs and OTs, with no-nonsense DPS buffs as well.

WAR just got more Fell Cleaves, but they still have the slashing debuff. We'll have to see how it works out, given that the optimal SAM opener doesn't apply slashing for a while and assumes you have a WAR.

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>>378715831
>>378716003
Those eyebrows can work wonders

>>378716704
nerf balance. thats it

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>tfw AST and MCH main
Sweet baby Jesus

Was also working on my SCH relic too as my third relic.
It's fucking Christmas.

>>378716704
AST doesn't need "fixing", stop ruining it. Just fix WHM and SCH.

Seriously, both of them look embarrassing and SCH is only good because of Chained Strategem.

>>378716834
They never will as it's the only reason we even use ast

>>378712548
Is this the eso thread?

>>378714434
>spending 15 for 20 levels instead of leveling up an old one

I stopped playing about half way through heavensward, is it worth picking up again?
Machinist and Scholar/AST were the classes I liked the most

>>378716772
in order to fit 5 Holy Spirits within the 12s of Req, you'd need a GCD of about 2.39s, which is quite fast and maybe not possible on launch.

FoF has always been a very comfortable 30 seconds, and Goring Blade got reduced in duration by 3s(buffed total potency by 40, to 680), so your double Goring/Scorn are still guaranteed.

>>378716920
yeah
are you ready for eso: nostalgia pandering boogaloo?

>>378716812
I wonder how DA syphon strike will work in the rotation if bloodletter and CnS are both up. That's a lot of MP and blood

>>378716562
Unless you absolutely need the movement skill that 800 is the best use of meter you have in the game

>>378715440
>4.0 state of Tri-Disaster and Bane
It's going to be a DPS gain now to manually Miasma/Bio every mob. Tri will still have a place as a slightly faster way to get everything DoT'd, but they may as well prune Bane because it no longer has any use.

>>378716562
I'd do whatever is cooler.

>>378717019
But it costs 50 kenki, which I could spend on 2.5 kaitens, which is I think more potency overall than guren.

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>PvP will grant EXP for your class in PvE from level 30 all the way to 70

Neat

Why does SAM make every other dps look like shit?

>>378716831
Hey your highlander is not bad at all.

I remember we had to wait a patch to get eyebrows back in ARR. HIghlanders without then look like aliens.

>>378716980
Yes, now is a good time to be a MCH Main.

You may wanna power through the story ASAP so you can jump into the SB content immediately.

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>tri-bind now does more aoe damage than bane

>>378717010
You still use DA like you did before, just often enough to avoid capping MP outside of burn windows, storing enough for DA C&S, Dark Passenger, and a DA DM as needed. You also now have The Blackest Night to spend MP on. Frankly, I'd rather just have DA SE as the sole spender there, as it's not like you have to worry about capping MP in a single rotation.

>>378716996
I have a concern with the text "unaspected" dmg, means FoF wont affect it?

>inb4 WHM gets the 2.0 WAR treatment
Honestly, I don't even know what the dev team is thinking when they designed 4.0 WHM.
>LOL more heals with stupid, gimmicky RNG mechanics such a good idea!!
>On a job that's supposed to have consistency
>Meanwhile AST's heals are BETTER and CHEAPER
Embarrassing.

>>378717146
Trades utility for FUCK huge damage.

>>378717159
WHY IS TRI-BIND STILL A THING

>>378717229
FoF does not work for Holy Spirit. You use FoF for RA and Goring Blade combos in between Requiscat cycles.

>>378717256
The same reason WAR is still a tank.

>>378717235
Their stupid meter is by far the absolute worst out of all of them.

>>378717146
They've learned their lesson after making all 3 HW jobs hot garbage at launch?

>>378716528
The main thing WHMs have going for them is the change to Cleric Stance. Now they're free to mostly heal with oGCDs and spend more time DPSing.

Scholar with their Battle Littany 2.0 looks like a lock though, and Astrologian's utility will never die.

I think WHM's in a better position than it has been recently, but still probably won't be a particularly high pickrate for meta minmaxing groups.

>>378717256
pvp, same reason whm and blm still have sleep

>>378717256
It's handy for rooting large groups of mobs when soloing maps, at least.

>game is casual shit
>faggots on /v/ claim that only certain combinations will be viable
lmao

>>378717004
better than stereotypical Japanese mmo with Korean crossover markets.

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>>378717010
DA has an interesting new spot, as there's now only one obvious use for it, CnS for +350 potency.

All the other single target options(including Bloodspiller) are +140 potency, barring obvious multiplicative buffs or if you're in Grit as Bloodspiller isn't affected by Grit.

What is VERY curious, is how MP is burned on Blackest Night in exchange for 50 Blood every 15 seconds. This is an insane rate of exchange, and a DRK that's using Blood Wep/Price and Delirium correctly is going to have massive burst, let alone in AoE.

>>378717229
That's a very good question, I'm not sure myself either

>>378717058

>dps gain to mainually cast dots and not be spamming ruins

>>378717256
Why is Tempered Will still a thing

Anyone got an image of the MCH tool tips? Trying to figure out what their rotation would look like now that we have to manage heat as well.

>>378717440
muh situations where it's useful

To be honest SMN will be more desired than RDM in group comps

>>378717338
Welp, RIP my dream of exploding in massive damage.

From JP tooltip:
>MNK: Riddle of Fire is 15% speed loss and 30% dmg increase, compared to ENG which is 30% speed lost and 20% dmg increase
?????? g-g-guys?

>>378717575
Koji was too drunk on memes to do a proper job.

Does Minor Arcana replace Undraw automatically? It seems like a direct upgrade.

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>>378712548
>Saves the MMO genre by making a WoW-clone and then making an expansion that makes a ton of changes to make his game even more like WoW

How?

The only hope for the MMO genre are Crowfall and Ashes of Creation, but one will probably be mediocre and the other will probably be a scam.

>>378717575
Its better than expected, but still not reason to bring a MNK compared to say SAM.

>>378717665
No.

>>378717575
It still gets nowhere close enough to making up for all their potency reductions.

>>378717472
Mch tool tips http://imgur.com/a/sZajB
RDPS role actions http://imgur.com/a/O25nH
Overheated is actually a 20% damage increase, and flame thrower is 60 potency. Have fun anon.

Why is there no job that does like mind/psychic damage?

>>378717354
>give them a meter that tracks exactly one simple thing that shouldn't happen much because it requires you to play badly
>don't track the other new thing you gave them that's actually more annoying to keep track of in the rare event that it actually applies to multiple targets

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>Have media tour for disgusting gaijin.
>Make the pigs wait weeks for a dumb embargo.
>Plenty of tooltips are by now outright wrong.
>Give Famitsu more current tooltips.

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>Disembowel nerfed to 5%

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>>378717497
>To be honest SMN will be more desired than RDM in group comps
>nerfed abilities across the board
>can only use their hardest hitting attacks two minutes in way after the entire party used their utility abilities
>smn can only buff magic teammate damage where rdm can buff the entire party
Doesn't matter tho all parties are going to be sam, drg, nin and mnk anyway

>>378717774
Because that's not an element in this game???

>flamethrower is potency 6
I don't get it

>>378717869
supposed to be 60

>>378717824
this game doesn't have elements

>>378714713

So is it just me or is Devotion a flat 5% damage increase that never runs out as long as your pet is around? I'm guessing it goes away when you summon Demi-Bahamut, but still. This ability has literally no timer on it, it's just an active aura

>>378717869
It's 60 according to superior nippon Famitsu tooltip screenshots you baka howaito piggu.

>>378717575
>internal release is 30%
>65% damage during Riddle
>Brotherhood generates Chakra
Seems ok

>>378712548
yoship has cute toes

>>378717869
Mistranslated. See the potency in japan tool tips here >>378715754 60 potency on a 10 sec channel.

are there any videos of the nin changes?

>>378717960
get better taste in feet

>>378717818
Unless I am overlooking something, Devotion seems like it's permanent. Not sure where the vuln debuff they got is coming from though.

>>378717749
I didn't see anything in the images regarding how the heat gauge works, but if you get a 20% increase to damage when full, is there any drawback to letting it fill up? A lot of skills seem to either reduce the heat on the gauge or make it build slower, so there's gotta be some kind of drawback.

>>378717914
It has elements but are obsolete. They still consider elements however, because 4.0 skills have specific elemental damage onto them.

>>378717993
>mistranslated
It's fucking typo. They don't use rune numerals in this game.

>>378718007
I said toes not the whole package you silly billy

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>tfw WAR main
>tfw see these changes to all tanks
>tfw okay with this since I enjoy my class due of the gameplay and not just BIG DICK DEEPS maybe a little

Anyone else happy with their main?

>>378718115
it only lasts for 10s, then your gauss barrel overheats and can't be used for 10s or something

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BUY MY ITEMS YOU FUCKS. WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME MAKING THIS GARBAGE SO YOU CAN SHELL OUT THE 27USD NOW YOU SHITS.

>>378717402
TBK costs the same as a DA, and someone did the math to show it come out 13 potency ahead of doing a DA SE combo. However the DA SE combo also builds MP and blood so that might still be better

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I have to spend 24 hours levelling ast and pld from 30-60 now, who actually thinks this is good game design?

>>378718306
thinking about buying a fantasia and name chang (to make my new character have a lore-friendly name)

>>378718363
shut up whmcuck

>>378718268
My main in most of ARR and HW has been monk, but thankfully I was already planning to swap to Paladin... This all just kinda reinforces that I probably won't be going back. Even if Monk is fine, Riddle of Fire and using Forbidden Chakra more often just doesn't really sound that fun. It doesn't really feel like they put any thought or time into Monk.

>>378718363
>wahhh playing the game takes time
and then when you reach endgame you'll cry there's nothing to do

>>378716562
This is terrible when you see it written out.

>>378717993
60 potency a server tick? God that's terrible.

>>378718115
Its not in the images it was in a video, and mistranslated at that. The thing about letting your gun overheat is that it gives you the damage buffs for 10s but disables Gauss barrel and puts it on cooldown for 10s, so you should go into over heat during your wildfire.

>>378717148
Thanks, friend.

Too bad I don't play him anymore. I race change too much.

>>378718306
The only optional item I would ever consider is the two bucks for a third retainer, and maybe a fantasia if they come out with a new race that isn't total shit or just a human with added doodads on their face.

>>378718268
I'm sorry but it seems like all WAR got with "le more cleavez xD", I wish it would've been more in depth like the tools that DRK/PLD got

>>378718332
Of course, DRK has a lot of nuance now that Blood, MP, and internal cooldowns are all separate, going to be VERY interesting

>>378717146
Because they are like monk, but with even more damage

>>378718268

As a WAR main I'm fine with the changes, gonna miss out a little on bloodbath for dungeon multi pulls, but it's not the end of the world. I'm also looking forward to the changes to the other tanks, I've leveled PLD and DRK to 60, but I just never liked playing them over WAR.

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>>378718387
I'm a schfag

>>378718465
>all these shit bird dps arguing about who's in the shed
>they don't know that the meta dps group is SAM/SAM/SAM/SAM
>they don't know that every other dps is already in the shed

poor fucking saps

How likely am I to be able to get my 30/30 aetherpool gear to 60/60 going from 59-60 DRK?

>>378714016
Its Foe Damage down, leddit with the Eng version confirmed it

>>378717869
Suppose to be 60
Koji sucked too many dicks

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>Uses the ever dying, ever unwelcome monthly fee system while still making people pay for expansions and having the gall to then add microtransactions

Maybe if they dumped the whole 15 bux a month shit. Until then if I wanted to put up with a bunch of jews I'd go play something published by Nexon.

>>378718418
It's more about building the heat gauge which lets you use the improved heated split, slug and clean which not only look spicy as fuck but also have higher potencies. Also let's you use the 230 ogcd skill and once you overheat you get a 20% damage buff which I believe will be almost always wanted for wildfires as it looks like it's going to line up very very neatly. Not to mention the turret skills that let you blow up your rook for 400 potency.

>>378717125
it is, unless you're hitting 2 things with guren
kaiten is pretty much always more potency per point spent than any other hissatsu skill because sam is a well designed class

Is there a point in the story where the elf trap stops desperately trying to be the MC?

>>378718418
Because that isn't what it's for.

>>378718748
he gets fucked over several times, what point are you up to?

>>378718661
the english version is an earlier version than the japo one. English version is from before the live letter was released. Japo text is more up-to-date than english one.

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>>378718079
Devotion is a cd that you use once every 90 seconds.

*continues the stagnation of the MMO genre*

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>>378718209
Pic related. Sorry friendo.
>>378718418
Now that i think back on it, flamethrower does seem like a shit skill, but its legitimately better than 6 potency. Still looks cool though.

>>378718461
To be honest, I am kind of interested in strengthening the berserk tank identity. Beast gauge changes are going be nice, though stancedancing is going to take a bit to learn again.
>>378718485
RIP Bloodbath, you shall be missed. I can understand why they removed it though, shit was busted. Personally I like WAR due of the unique stack system, which makes gameplay feel like constant building up for tons of burst damage

>>378718693
Subs are 'dying' because few games are worth warranting them. A good MMO can easily warrant a sub fee.

>>378715231
With the aoe nerf, they are the fucking king of speed 4 man dungeon running.
>No cost Holy spam
>Have actual decent MP recovery
>Holy
>Aero 3
>Assize nuke

>>378718797
I just finished the quest where they move to Revenant's Toll.

>>378718981
You're in for a ride

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>>378718748
not sure what you mean, he's been a great bro ever since the beginning of HW.

If you want to see an spotlight stealing attention hog, look at Trahearne of GW2

>>378718890
Guess we will use Release the Inner beast as a way to make our stance dance faster, and with the spenders reducing infuriate by 5 seconds each time we use then, we will have a constant full beast gauge to work around with.

People are ignoring this feature, but having a CD reducer with spenders is a fucking big deal for this mechanic.

So what's the point of Tornado Kick if you can just get your stacks back using Riddle of Earth?

>>378718525
>let's coordinate a team of different classes to bring out the best dos we can
>let's all be kiritos and btfo of the coordinated teams damage
Seems fair to me lad

>>378716562
Except Hakaze -> Yukikaze is it's own combo and will break the combo bonus on Jinpu, so think again, fuccboi.

>>378718981
ho ho hoooo boy
you'll get your wish, dont worry

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I just got on what did they do to SCH

>>378718890
Storm Path is our constant bloodbath, they removed because they don't wanted us doing a double dip in life leech. Imagine your fell cleave recovering 20% of its damage when the CD is up that has a long duration.

>>378718980
>>Have actual decent MP recovery

That didnt change besides the long cooldown thing you mentioned.

>>378719096
>uses 80 sec CD combo breaker

>>378719131
100% raid spot at the cost of your dps

>>378718748
The 2.0-.5 storyline builds up to his fall and HW is about him being more chill and a proper bro.

>>378719052
>what's the point of using a skill that does a bunch of damage
HUH I DUNNO

You know, after looking at RDM more, I think the lack of MP regen wouldn't be a problem considering that it has melee attacks. So if they lack MP they'd have to go melee for a while I guess.

For now the only problem I see with RDM is the subpar AoE.

>>378718813
I mean the duration of the buff, not the recast.
It's probably permanent until you summon Demi-Bahamut.

>>378719131
sick "crit this fag" debuff.

Bane fucking sucks now

>>378718748
XIV fags will always try to damage-control their game and act like it has a good story, which isn't true, even by MMO standards. Alphinaud will always steal the spotlight while your silent character just stands their with their mouth open having things happen to them.

XIV's story is shit compared to TESO, an MMO that actually manages to have a good story.

>>378719045
It seems lame on paper, but considering the amount of cleaves we get, its more broken than it seems. Going to be fun to get to falcon punch people as well, and no more pullslaving it seems.

>>378719157
Fair enough. I just enjoyed Berserk + BB + Decimate selfheals while the healer was DPSing.

>>378713964
>Tank
DRK
>Healer
AST
>MDPS
SAM
>Caster
RDM
>RDPS
MCH

>Main
SAM

Looking good so far boys.

>>378719096
Obviously I left out a Hakaze there, you walnut.